who killed people in Japan in 2nd world war, who killed millions of red indians, who killed people in Bosnia, who killed people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, who initiated wars all these years - surely not Muslims.
Japan: Believe it or not, the A Bomb prevented more casualties than it caused. And that was during a World War where Japan had killed millions.
Red Indians: During a different time than now.
Bosnia: Both sides killed each other yet we lost soldiers saving Muslims - and this is how they repay us... Some may argue we were on the wrong side...
he is not a joke, you are. Wake up bigot for Islam is spreading by the minute. Killing innocent people is the habit for the non muslim world, looks round and see the carnage you have created.
I live in a swedish town of about 3000 people. We had a somalian muslim trying to rape a handicapped girl in a wheelchair not 6 months ago. We don't fail the muslims, they fail.
Europe is associated with violence, both world wars were started by the west, all the major recent world wars were started by the west (afghan and iraq).
Look how he is painting all muslims with the same brush, they're all hate this, they all like this!
Well, if I began cursing his mother, his daughter and his wife, I wonder how offended he would get then, would he not have to right to be?
Douglas Murray definitely won the opening statement. Tariq is such a demanding and ungrateful person, you can tell how nervous and negative he is, Unlike Murray who is very relaxed and objective. Here in Luxen, we would show you much less leniency for your demanding and aggressive nature, so just be happy that UK has more tolerance towards you all.
tariq ramadan failed to mention that muslims who are in eastern europe (bosnia, bulgaria) are there because of centuries of turkish imperialism. but that doesn't fit with his victim politics.
and btw, turkey isn't in europe. it's in asia minor. that's why it will never be in the EU.
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@jotiacanava careful now..this is exactly why people think that mr. murray's position is prejudice or racism. The problem isn't muslims, they are people and should be treated as such. the problem is Islam itself
Islam is as much of a part of Western / European tradition as is the Judeo Christian, the Roman, the Greek heritage that this part of the world stands on. Much of the modern civilisation of the West, owes itself to the Islamic empires of the past. Of course, someone who hasn't studied the topic will think that's absurd and will say how can a barbaric and dirty people have gifted us things like hygiene, universities, hospitals and more.
@TheKap1an So there was no hygiene, hospitals or "universities" before "Islamic empires of the past"? So you're saying that before the "Islamic empires of the past" Europe was complete shit with no future and nothing to stand on? How come?
I think it would help if you studied history yourself as I can't give you a whole lecture here, but to cut it short, yes, the first university was opened by the Islamic civilisation, as well as the first official hospital, these are documented facts. As for hygiene, yes, the Europeans used to believe taking care of the body was bad because it was 'of this world', they stuffed their armpits with orange peelings, didn't wash. It was only until they came across the muslims -
- and saw how much emphasis they put on hygiene with practices like doing the washing before the 5 daily prayers, how they had public baths - in one was saunas come from the concept of 'hamaam' which means the baths. Even down to the order of food courses we have today in restaurants, starter, main mean, dessert, that comes from the Islamic civilisation. The numbers you use comes from the Islamic empire. You can go read all this for yourself, there's much much more than this.
@TheKap1an I don't understand. Are you saying that before the "Islamic empires of the past" Europe was complete shit with no future and nothing to stand on?
This guy is a total joke,Islam is failing and undermining Europe rather with the financial support of Saudi Arabia who funds their cultural centers /mosques, puts nice facades on AND WAHABBI PREACHERS INSIDE
THIS WAS FILMED IN LONDON S BIGGEST MOSQUE,the preacher advocates killing homosexuals, apostates and rape victims , says that you mustn't be friends with non-muslims but you can pretend to be nice if it serves the purposes of Islam (converting them)
@Snutih This kind of blatant islamophobia and xenophobia caused a right wing extremist to kill 97 children, and he did this because like you he felt threatened by muslims, like you he was radical in his beliefs, and like you he believed that anyone who promoted cultural friendship was a traitor to his people.im sure you would agree that more hate and discrimination is not the answer.advocating a genocide isn't the answer either. understanding might just achieve more than ignorance & extremism
@billykingofgames Why do you use the term "xenophobia" when I speak about a religion?I m from Tunisia myself , I live in an european suburb predominantly muslim and I m reporting what I see on a daily basis, whites here are called "gwer" , kuffar, pigs-muslims think all their woes happen because of them , forgetting that they made the school they went to a mess when they were thugs(which they still are even though it's now "religious") and this is why they are now on welfare and unintegrated.
@billykingofgames Just ask the muslim friends this verse in Quran 2:191
Slay them wherever ye find them (the disbelievers) and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.
@billykingofgames What are the principle definitions of these two words "islamophobia" and "xenophobia"?
As far as I know A phobia is a very strong *irrational* fear or hatred of something..irrationality must, by definition, be an inherent part of Islamophobia, right?!
I think it won't qualify as a PHOBIA if you fear a person who is OVERTLY giving you death-threats..and rampantly killing others, flying plains into buildings.. for trivial reasons?
@baristha and you sir are a hypocrite. if you blame sharia and actions of the extremist muslims for an entire religion than why dont we take a look at the spanish inquizition, or the actions of the catholic church in the middle ages, or the actions of the Irgun prior to the creation of israel and blame those religions ?? why is it that if a muslim reporter is killed by an american soldier its an "accident" yet if a nonmuslim reporter is killed by an arab soldier its "terrorism" in the media?
Shame on EUROPE..SHAME ON YOU sons of Effeminate fathers...Shame on Your political correctness..You DON'T DESERVE TO BE FREE..You are not Vigilant enough..
Those WHO DON'T DEFEND THEMSELVES GOD Doesn't Help them Either..
either "COWARDICE" or "MASOCHISM" behind the facade of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS..is what is ruining Europe today..
The Qur’an contains many inconsistencies, contradictions and errors. It's a confused cussing and prattle of a Paranoid Man, poorly written, full of absurdities and absurd statements. None of that bothers Muslims, who insist that it is a miracle, simply because Muhammad said so.
Muslims usually try to rationalize their predicament(due to the fear of Non-existent fiery hell);
A person confronted with an inescapable Plight(like Niqab for Women, Wife beating, etc) tends to regard it more Favorably.
Former Saudi Arabia resident Mary Doreen exposes the horrific inner workings of sexual slavery in Saudi Arabia during her Talk Show ..Mary shares with your audience just what is considered normal and good in Saudi Arabia today:
Sexual slavery is considered an act of charity
Abuse and torture against Women is a "God-given right" for Arabs.
Supremacy and racism against Non-Muslims are honored in Saudi Arabia.
News of rapes and other Islamic crimes are suppressed..
@baristha really sad to read all this... this is how deep "muslims" have fallen nowadays... no wonder that Islam does not shine on earth anymore as it did during the golden age...
Really , I cant blame your hatred.. All I can tell you is, that that is totally against the true teachigns of Islam.. maybe or probably you wont believe me, but that is your choice in the end..
@goodoldBrainfood I think you're a GOOD HUMAN and I want you to Tell me what should WE in the NON-MUSLIM world Do?
Should we succumb to Islamic Atrocities?
Do nothing?
Lay down and take it?
Silently watch our sisters, Wives getting molested in the streets by Hardcore Muslims, the followers of Muhammad who are ruthless to kufrs and merciful to each another?
@baristha well, i can understand your anger and hatred... I cant really blame you, no one can..
Nor does Islam teach you to go around the world conquer city after city Islam is only a guide to a peaceful way of life here and in the next. It is a guide to build a relationship with The Lord of the Worlds, which can even come as far as to "friendship" .. it is such a unique and beautiful way, but unfortunately nowadaysyou find hardly any muslim that strives to follow that guide
You and I both know that ISLAM Is the only religion today that is so barbaric that it perpetuates terrorism and partly relies on it too..majority of Muslims have a very dogmatic/cultic mentality..(Not talking about RACE, mind it)
The Typical definition of fanaticism is excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions, on any subject, especially religion.
There is nothing but irrational and excessive lauding of Muhammad's deeds even if they are regarded as Misconducts in case of others..
Muslims usually try to sanitize and legitimize Muhammad's atrocities with lies, CONJECTURES, unfounded assertions, fallacious statements..by any means because they are ordered by Muhammad not to agree upon an error regarding Islamic doctrine or Muhammad's deeds(truly despicable barbarisms..)..
@baristha well, those "fallacious statmens" were made by greatest minds the world had ever seen.
put togehter all professors and shcolars of the world right now, they would be a joke compared to a Imam Abu Hanifa... real geniuses of their time and unsurpassed . well unfortunatley, you are of those hate driven people who have forsaken their intellect and chose their emotions as their guide.
Islam is peace and it will ever be. no matter what you or any fanatic says.
In the Qur’an (Sura 33:50-51) so called “Allah” lists all of the categories of women who are made available to Muhammad. The Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't read 49:10), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to,is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (Zaynab & Mary).
@goodoldBrainfood "fanatics who misinterpret Islam as they please and kill innocently"
--Kill Innocently?
Why are you trying to spray salt on the wound?
What is real ISLAM?
I am not only talking about TERRORISTS..but also about Self-appointed advocates of ISLAM who are adamant that ISLAM IS PERFECT..Just because a Mentally sick man said so..
@goodoldBrainfood If you think ISLAM IS HIJACKED or Whatever..It means Islam is bloody confusing ..and rather risky..
& Some Muslims are goaded by ISLAM..and so called Moderate Muslims connive at the atrocities of Islam in IRAQ, SAUDI ARABIA non-Muslims are brutally tortured disgraced on a daily basis..
If they are the hijackers where is THE UNIVERSAL CONDEMNATION and STRICT ACTIONS AGAINST THE HIJACKERS?
as long as Stigma of terrorism(a type of Jihad) is attached to ISLAM, IT'S NOT acceptable.
We criticize, They KILL..But Whose side are YOU ON?
What are you doing?
If anything Your proposition solidifies my claim that Quran has Got ISSUES..
but You're still trying to exempt Islam from every Criticism..why?
Whatever may be the reason it's associated with THE UNDERSTANDING OF QUR'AN..That Means QUR'AN IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH..and Thus far from being PERFECT..fraught with Haze!
Qur'an is all about discrimination against Non-MUSLIMS.
@baristha There have been hundreds of thousands of scholars throughout the century and even today, who make the meaning of the VErses of the Qur'an very clear.
Not anyone can call himself a scholar. One needs to study at least 20-25 years and even then only after being accepted by other scholars , one call himself a real scholar.
the Qur'an is crystal clear, but not simple , that is why Allah created men with intellect to explain it to others who have lesser.
@goodoldBrainfood "There have been ..thousands of scholars throughout the century and even today, who make the meaning of the VErses of the Qur'an very clear."
--This, again, only solidifies My point..that the meaning of Quran is unclear and can vary from One man to another..even if one man's interpretation is Good, The other CAN radically differ & Quite Firmly claim that he is the Purist of Faith, can he not?
To a layman LIKE ME QURAN Self-evidently SEEMS TO BE THE SOURCE OF ALL ISLAMIC EVILS..
@baristha the humblest of all men are the true muslim scholars. so are the most God-fearing among men the scholars. and it is not possible that one contradicts another , for scholars do not decide on their own whether their interpretation is correct or not... other scholars have to approve of it as a reliable interpretation.
well you should inform yourself some more... you lack a lot of the basics..
2. There are no contradictions in QURAN regarding How to treat non-Muslims..
..Qur'anic verses Do NOT contradict each other & rather they are pretty CLEAR in what they are trying to convey & only when taken collectively the full PICTURE is visible..
● The Message is HE who,Unequivocally Worships Muhammad+His shambolic portrayal of the unseen Allah, is SUPERIOR; non-Muslims MUST Suffer and if need be, Killed.
@baristha obviously, you have completely NOT understood the Qur'an, because obviously, you are neither a scholar, nor have you ever read any commentary of any, that is why you interpret the QUr'an the way you desire. But this is NOT how it works. Islam is crystal clear and has been made crystal clear.
either you accept that it is peace, or ignore it and choose your own false and disgusting version.
@goodoldBrainfood What made you even think that I never read the Quran cover to cover?
well I've already admitted I am not a scholar..But WHY are you assuming the authority to tell what I am..I thought we're done with conjectures and judging each-other.
Why don't you present your case with a thorough and Objective analysis of Qur'an..& refute my claims..instead of ludicrously attacking Me.
(ROLE-MODEL)Muhammad was consistently intolerant and violent toward non-Muslims as soon as he had the power
@baristha and I quit this conversation from this point on, since it will only result in you insulting my Religion. No matter how many a proofs I will present you, it will be of no avail.
Well, in the end, death will show you the ultimate truth...
@goodoldBrainfood oh this means IT IS ALL OUR FAULT THAT ISLAM IS SO VIOLENT AND THAT QURAN HAS SO MUCH VIOLENCE IN IT..YES!??!
typical muslim approach..First politeness, then insult and then abruptly end the discussion..
You know deep in your heart that I am right..Go read Sahih Bhukhari. Sahih Muslim, Al tabari, Ibn ishaq, Ibn katheer, Maududi..Abu dawud..all will be clear..!!!
to put it mildly Muhammad was a RUTHLESS, BARBARIC MAN..admit it or not truth doesn't change..
Nobody is saying the argument is about MUSLIMS are outsiders..It is that MUSLIMS ARE ANTI-DEMOCRACY..who support the idea of Islam's dominance over everything..and ISLAM IS A TOTALITARIAN (if you know what I mean) Ideology..
That interferes with personal lives and freewill of people at every single level..
I dread and abhor THIS IDEA OF MANDATORY SUBJUGATION AND MEEK SERVITUDE TO ANYTHING be it non-existent sadistic deity or a Muslim-Despot..
"We can't reform something which we won't admit needs reforming...we can't fix something which we won't admit is broken.."
Robert Spencer..
I personally fear "moderate Muslims" (biggest OXYMORON) more than terrorists..so called Moderates are the guileful people who defend Islamic atrocities at every level by distorting Historical facts and by deceiving naive & ignorant fools ("al Taqiyya"-"holy deception")..and act as the facilitators for supremacist, anti-democracy Islamic IDEOLOGY..
The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so for generations. This practice also predates the world’s oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.
More than half of Pakistani immigrants living in Britain are intermarried:
The research, conducted by the BBC and broadcast to a shocked nation, found that at least 55% of the community was married to a first cousin are at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.
Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1,400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings..
That's why they are so filled with superstitions and stupidity..
BUT what are they doing except for conniving at Islamic filth and silently watching Qur'an's (GOD'S WORDS) endeavor to eradicate Freedom, Humanity?
Europe has everything to lose, being too uncultured and easy. Western Europe, needs to forget their individual materialism & work towards collective welfare. Its high time that Britain has to become more British in nature, every dutch needs to observe its values more orderly , every french needs to muscularise hz three statutes of freedom like never before and every German should reinvent hz post 2nd world war idea of Anti-Fascism in its modern sense to drive out Islamic fascists. EURO-GET UP
hha, you always focus on 9/11, i mean there is millions of murders in california ans LA than anywhere in the world, just by tupid gangs, why you always try to respond with a stupid facts ?...how many deads in afghanistan, iraq , Palestine ? how many childrens without legs in pakistan ?..pfff,
What we need is an adapting economical policy to the shrinking populations in Western Europe ... AND NOT MORE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION, who most of the time are UNDERQUALIFIED, AGGRESSIVE, RUDE and go directly to WELFARE !!!
90% of Lebanese in Germany ARE ON WELFARE !!! 40% of Turks haven't finnished SCHOOL!!! While 75% og German prison inmates are Muslim!!!
So , no we dont need more Muslim immigration. I rather have 3 Million Chinese immigration and get rid of ALL the unemployed Muslims ...
yeah thats the problem, with the 9/11, USA won a great, and collosus Aid from europe people, and governements, thats why i still think its a conspiracy , but im not shure..anyway, the goal is achieved, and it was to rely terrorism to muslims, and prepare the way to afganistan and iraq after that,..as oussama benladen is already dead from 2002..you will see ^^
i have lot of friends who have converted from islam, they just lost faith, its their problem, in muslim country no one said anything to them, i mean..just see the muslim world, before talk about anything. lot of friend when they came in morocco they said to me " waw, you dont wear like afghanistan !", i was "lol" ^^ ..frankly, i will say one thing : "you are brainwached" , thast the word ^^, with no hardfeeling mate ^^.
islamophobia is a racist reaction . lot of people dont know what they talk about, in front of my hood there is lot of jews, christians...they are in a muslim country , and they live in the most peacefull way..there is a church just in front of a mosque, in my hood. arabs people are so educated in their perception of religion's relativity. we do "accept" others , of course there is extremists, in all religions.
Can you show me , where I said anything RACIST? Here we have ANOTHER typical STUPID MUSLIM TACTIC by smearing the oponent to be Racist.
However my Muslim friend: ISLAM is NOT A RACE !!! Am I racist to Germans when I say , that I hate NAZISM ? Do I hate ITALIANS when I find , that facism is an EVIL ideology? Learn the difference between religion and race , you confused Muslim boy.
@NaturalBornHedonist you said : "Your Religion is anything BUT humble. It is a HUMAN desease that is spreading all over the world because it mainly attacks STUPID and brainless people like the cousin fuckers in the middle east.".....in you opinion, is'nt that racist words ?...enlight me, friend.
no, i dont have any hard feeling toward you, why should i ,its clear that we have an intese conversation ^^ but its good to change ideas whatever the way we take for it, as a muslim i dont hate anyone but devil (wich is in some case human been lol)...
they cant return home, its exactly because of the shi.ty foreign policy of lot of occidentals countrys, i mean WTF are you saying !! , you just invade our countrys, take our resources, we "resist", you call it "terrorism", we try to be "cool", you say we are "danger", WTF ??...imagine a world without israel for a second,.and without the shi.ty foreing policy of USA...the world would be better for sure !!!
God I hate the "muslim" dominated audience!!! By booing they once again show, that they have a problem with free speach ( speaking out the truth) and critizism...
Tariq Ramadan needs some Geography lessons. So he would know then, that Turkey is in Asia and only Istanbul and Tracia are situated on the European Continent 1/15 of the whole country!!
haha, come on, hate "muslims" as you wish, you cant change anything, there is dozens of people converting to islam every day...by their own choice ,people as you try desperatly to attack our humble religion, but you always fail..time will tell my friend, how far you were wrong about muslims..there is no smoke without fire, the foreign policy of some countrys is the origin of everything that happens . exemple : israel , USA .
@sfirita LOL give me a break . Worldwide MORE people are leaving Islam despite the DEATHTHREATS and DEATH ORDERS they reveive from their IMAMS or familly members. What a nice and HUMBLE Religion Islam must be when apostasy is an automatic deathsentance according to ISLAM.
Your Religion is anything BUT humble. It is a HUMAN desease that is spreading all over the world because it mainly attacks STUPID and brainless people like the cousin fuckers in the middle east.
LOL , i cant expect more from a hater and racist like you, you know what is your biggest fear, is that people start studying islamic religion, cause when they do, they just discover another truth, and then see themselve convert to islam..haha..you just talk, without knowing anything about our religion..apostasy ?? lol..see ? you dont know nothing, you will never read the coran, cause you will be muslim after reading it for sure.
@sfirita Again ...only the typical diversion of conversation. Not one claim you can challange... BUt instead you just laugh it off..Yes my Muslim friend: According to Islam apostasy from Islam is punishable with death. Thats Islamic Law. It is you , who obviously havent read the Koran I read it TWICE !!! And I dont know ANOTHER book, that is so RACIT, HATEFULL, MISAGYNISTIC and full with contradictions.
On one passage Koran ( remember , allahs words) claims that the earth is flat like a carpet
@NaturalBornHedonist he said : " On one passage Koran ( remember , allahs words) claims that the earth is flat like a carpet "
i say :
Just dont tell any more words, or you will bring the biggest shame on you ! haha, what ? allah claims that the earth is flat ? rofl !!!...just so you can remember one thing : several scientists convert to islam just due to the revelations in coran, that they found with scientific facts. learn my friend, learn : "/watch?v=zXa-UHu53bg"
@sfirita You want evidence? Well since you havent read the Koran I will help you with the passage , my ignorant Muslim friend: My claim refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:
“And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).” [Al-Qur’an 71:19]
my dear friend, its a lie, there is no such thing in "our" and the real koran, if i read it you said ? lol, its the first thing every muslim does, its "learn" koran, not only read it, so i will say it again : you are saying nothing but imaginary. i mean if you can speak arabic i will give you the "real" verse. and you will translate it by yourself if you want...well, did you saw the link i linked ?..see it my friend,."/watch?v=zXa-UHu53bg"
@sfirita My dear Muslim friend. I dont have to translate it into Arabic, since I know the language myself , hence your "false interpretation-trick" doesn't work wit me
Again I stand to my point, that the Koran has over 200 violent verses givin Muslims direct orders in 26 verses to "kill " the infidels ( where ever you find them)
No other Religeous books claims to be the DIRECT words of God so there is very little room for interpretation, even WHEN the book is sometimes translated difusely
Infidels are "not" only people who are not muslims, in muslims there is infidel people , and the "killing" is not a direct order, its the coran, written in a language that even the most intelligent muslims made hundrerds of years to decrypt its meaning , its all metaphoric ideas ,200 violent verses you said ?what about the hundreds of verses wich force us to believe in christ, in judaism.?wich tell us to be a good person, with good behavior..one word : Fail.try again mate.
@sfirita So if the KORAN is gods words, he(GOD) wanted to spread to the world , why is it SO HARD to understand??? Even for Arabs? Is god so ignorant, that he had to USE a difficult language to put his points accross? If god is allmighty, why didnt he use a more easy language so every man in the world can understand, what he wants from us? Or is this " false interpretation " speech only ANOTHER excuse to divert from the fact, that the KORAB teaches violence and HATE !!!
It seems like the usual Leftist suspects are in the audience booing Douglas Murray. So amusing how Leftists so enthusiastically defend the misogynistic, paedophilic, imperialist, supremacist, antisemitic, theocratic, anti-democratic, ultra-fascist political dogma called Islam.
@amper314 its th other way round, west destroyed muslim countries, btw, look at the history, if it wasn't for Islam, europe would be a mess, read up on the history of Islam contributions to europe.
That audience sure is rude, proving Douglas Murray's point about the inability of people to listen without freaking out about so called "discrimination"
SO WHAT! POPULATIONS DO CHANGE THROUGH TIME. EUROPE FELL TO THE JEWS A LONGTIME AGO AND EUROPEANS ARE STILL THEIR SLAVES BUT OF COURSE THE NEWS WILL NOT SAY IT.
this is bullshit. The Middle east is failing its non-muslims. In Europe, the muslims are increasing, and in the middle east, christians and jews are declining. Why do they want to feel victimised in Europe when they are not? They can say the palestinian muslims are victimised sure but in europe wtf ? ok so they said they are victimised in europe, would they rather be a victim in europe or victim in middle east?
The muslims that have been here for centuries are peaceful and secular. The problems are raised by muslim immigrants and second generation thereof. What Tariq is doing is to conflate the two under the same heading: muslim.
Hey, was there ever a debate in the UK about making Polish ppl feel more at home? or about making Eastern Europeans in general or the Chinese feel more at home? No? Then why the f*** are we talking about muslims? Why are they so special?
that is the PROBLEM. the 'homes' European Muslims come from are usually viscious backwards horrible places torn up BY ISLAM (Somalia, Pakistan, Morocco etc) , then they go to Europe to be free and have higher life expectancy so that everyone can accomodate them! wtf? no. leave your 'home' behind and adapt to the new one. it's like a new house, you dont keep all your garbage, you freshen the place up and KEEP IT CLEAN.
Funny that when someone (Murray) speaks the truth in Europe, people start to feel uncomfortable (audience). This is how political correctness has poisoned our continent.
Muslims in Netherlands get paid by our taxes to live in a house etc also the goverment here builds mosques of taxes but not churches.... muslims have more rights in the Netherlands this is because my country is tolerant for 100's of years to other races and religions
@nlRobertnl Beste Robert, Ik denk dat je dit te zwart wit ziet. Moslims krijgen geen geld van de overheid om een moskee te bouwen. Dit geld wordt ingelegd door de moskee gangers zelf. En welke belasting geld heb ik gehad om te wonen in een huis? Ik denk nog maals dat je het heel zwart wit ziet. Ik werk ook gewoon 40 uur per week en nog is 20 uur per week extra. Ben ook gewoon moslim. Dus onderbouw eerst je conclusie voor dat je met dit soort uitspraken komt.
@ahamris Beste Ahamris dit geld ook niet voor alle moslims maar dit zie ik niet zwart wit het is een feit en het gebeurt mischien nu minder dan vroeger. Ik heb respect voor jou dat je gewoon werkt er zijn natuurlijk ook gewoon westerlingen die van een uitkering leven. Ik weet dat de meeste moskeeen gewoon worden gesubsideerd net als moslim organisaties. Als je kijkt naar een Islamitisch land zoals saudi Arabie dan is dit echt niet mogelijk voor een ander gelovige of cultuur.
The time will come when Europe has been pushed to far, and the courtesies of allowing any ethnicity to call itself European will be gone. We all know that being CIVICLY European and ETHNICALLY European are 2 different things. At the minute Europeans are ruled by a fuzzy minded PC philosophy (actually cultural marxism). If Europeans are forced to shed this through further conflict with Islam, Tariq won't be able to play his pathetic play on words that seems the foundation of his debate.
This is crazy. Who needs to welcome them. They have made themselves at home by rioting. raping and sponging off society. If they are not feeling welcome, good. Maybe they will go back to their backwards countries.
tariq ramadan perfect al-taqyyja deception ,laying to all non-Muslims. His roots are from Muslim Brotherhood (member of family)...all terrorist organisations taking ideology from Muslim Brotherhood!. Islam should be ban in Europe, Koran should be ban in our countries, mosques should be closed down, all Muslims should be deported peaceful to their countries...this the only solution to live in peace with all Muslims. They spread by violence and hate by sword conquered parts of Europe
@mademan4life I know allah is preventing Muslims to be open minded people(you are the most violent and backward civilisation ever existed). That's why now you Muslim in EU and USA are doing everything to reverse it(invest in science, engineering etc.). But let me ask you what Islam was doing on lands of non-Muslims since 622?. I will help you: reaping, stealing other people women, lands, property, know how. Islam is like cancer and Christ is an answer.
Exactly, so lets begin with your governements , let say that american's army and europeen army have to leave our arab country's first, and that israel leave palestine and give back the stolen land to their owners,...you know, what you call "terrorism" i call it "resistance"..just imagine yourself in Palestine, or iraq,..and hopefully you will understand. arabs have been terrorised for long long time, know the history, seek the real truth!.
@sfirita Read the history and read the Bible. God said that a Philistine belongs to Jews. Yes arabs did terrorised Israel for nearly 5000 year or more, started from Egipy and continue once Jews arrived to they promissed land. Today so callled Palestine. You never stopped to attack Jews and Christians and others non-muslims. So far you have stolen 1/4 of the whole earth
dear "friend", you have a serious probleme with islam itself, and you call yourself a "christian" ,shame on you, hey guys, just see his profile . you are just pathetic, héhé, attack islam as you wish, somehow islam always wins over people like you...thats why there will never be peace in the world, you just create problems, and refer it to muslims, so pathetic ! learn history, know why arabs came to europe, who love to be away from his home anyway ? pfff..learn my friend.
just stop speading hate, you cant eliminate us from this planet, i mean israel already try but fails..i mean, come on, before israel and the foreign USA policy, was there any muslim blowing out there in europe ??.you just say the poor victim brainwashed muslim guy who go and blow himself, for a false reasons, but yo udont say " why didi he done that ?" , i will say why : 2 words : Israel , USA.(governement not people)
@sfirita NOt Europe, because there where NO Muslim IMMIGRANTS . So there was NO conflict with them in Europe... except .... in Serbia with Muslims Serbs ( today Bosnians) and Albanians ... Or in Turkey/ Greece ...
+ In Turkey in the 1920th where 1,5 Million christian Armenians where deported and slaughtered...
So Yes in hindsight... even then where there was considerable Muslim population there was conflict with MUSLIMS in Europe ..
Not to mention the conflicts elsewhere in the world
what ? there was no muslim immigrants ? ..its europe who bring muslims and arabs , due to the aprticipation of some arab/muslims in WW2, and also due to the needs of demographic developement, i mean without immigration some countries shoud be under-populated, like suizerland, netherland..and canada too..and in other hand, not to mention what USA and europe do to the middle east forcing people to runaway from the bad life they have there.
@sfirita Give my a break. Let me break with another myth of your multicultural propaganda: Underpopulation is NOT A BAD THING .. looking at the OVERPOPULATED ARAB World ( because they breed like mosquitos) you can easily understand, that the corrupt arab countries are not able to feed every one or give them well paied jobs .. So lets take German with 80 Million: If they lose 10 or 15 Million it would be ok because Sweden only has 8 MILLION population and has one of the healthiest economies
@sfirita So stop blaming "world politics" and Israel for Muslims warlike aggressive behaviour .. Again this is a typical Muslim apologist tactic to DIVERT from the aggression of the Islamic Faith by mentioning World Politics as an excuse... Muslims where violent before the United States was a Worldpower and BEFORE Israel EVEN EXISTED... ISRAEL IS ONLY AN EXCUSE to JUSTIFY your murderous and aggressive behaviour ALL OVER THE WORLD !!!
HAHAHAHA , What ??..ISRAEL in an excuse for Arabs ?? Hahahaha, ok, know i understand better, hahaha..and i wasted my time trying to debate with a zionist like you, PS : its totally the oppsit, i mean, its the israel who take the nazi's holocaust as excuse to kill and rape and decapitate arabs in palestine, pfff..if you think that israel is not raping a free people, then i'll not be honored to speak with you..go boycot muslims as you want, we always win. "good", always win
@sfirita Yeah they are decapitating Arabs in their millions ... HA HA HA
The only people who are proudly decapitating the "non-muslims" are your Arab/muslims , who are so perverse , that they even film the "event" while shouting Allahu Akbar .So dont you even start with that nonsense By the way: If ISrael was such a BAD and " racist " state , then tell me: Why does EVERY Arab want to LIVE and WORK in Israel? 20% Arab Population in Israel. YOu are gullable enough to believe the Paliwood lies.
Tariq Ramadan is a very well spoken man he made many points here
4Shia 1 week ago
douglas murray is seriously spot on here
beefdlo 1 week ago
who killed people in Japan in 2nd world war, who killed millions of red indians, who killed people in Bosnia, who killed people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, who initiated wars all these years - surely not Muslims.
2012sangram 1 month ago
@2012sangram
Japan: Believe it or not, the A Bomb prevented more casualties than it caused. And that was during a World War where Japan had killed millions.
Red Indians: During a different time than now.
Bosnia: Both sides killed each other yet we lost soldiers saving Muslims - and this is how they repay us... Some may argue we were on the wrong side...
SGTGerman 3 weeks ago
he is not a joke, you are. Wake up bigot for Islam is spreading by the minute. Killing innocent people is the habit for the non muslim world, looks round and see the carnage you have created.
How shameless you can be!!
2012sangram 1 month ago
@2012sangram
You're not serious right? Islam has killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined and multiplied several times.
SGTGerman 3 weeks ago
I live in a swedish town of about 3000 people. We had a somalian muslim trying to rape a handicapped girl in a wheelchair not 6 months ago. We don't fail the muslims, they fail.
TheAmazingUploader 1 month ago
@TheAmazingUploader i hope you deported that trash.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 I have no idea what happened but I'm pretty sure he didn't stay for long after that incident.
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Europe is associated with violence, both world wars were started by the west, all the major recent world wars were started by the west (afghan and iraq).
Look how he is painting all muslims with the same brush, they're all hate this, they all like this!
Well, if I began cursing his mother, his daughter and his wife, I wonder how offended he would get then, would he not have to right to be?
fzjanjua 1 month ago
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fzjanjua 1 month ago
muslims in england are better of
Confrontationify 2 months ago
Douglas Murray definitely won the opening statement. Tariq is such a demanding and ungrateful person, you can tell how nervous and negative he is, Unlike Murray who is very relaxed and objective. Here in Luxen, we would show you much less leniency for your demanding and aggressive nature, so just be happy that UK has more tolerance towards you all.
MagicMutilator6000 2 months ago
@MagicMutilator6000 Hardly, he was talking absolute nonsense.
fzjanjua 1 month ago
@fzjanjua He still made tariq look like a complete idiot, and that's what counts.
MagicMutilator6000 1 month ago
tariq ramadan failed to mention that muslims who are in eastern europe (bosnia, bulgaria) are there because of centuries of turkish imperialism. but that doesn't fit with his victim politics.
and btw, turkey isn't in europe. it's in asia minor. that's why it will never be in the EU.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
for the full video:
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like it so that who is interested.
gQuaresma07 3 months ago 4
where is part 2 ??
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tigersforchrist 3 months ago
Islam has indeed failed its Muslims.
For the claims this religion makes, it deserves nothing less than criticism and ridicule.
ElDuorPaso 4 months ago
I love Tariq Ramadan. Who's w me!
mhamadac 4 months ago
@mhamadac
No!
ElDuorPaso 4 months ago
Douglas Murray stood strong
louiscfc93 4 months ago
@jotiacanava careful now..this is exactly why people think that mr. murray's position is prejudice or racism. The problem isn't muslims, they are people and should be treated as such. the problem is Islam itself
HookahMan99 4 months ago
@HookahMan99
''...... the problem is Islam itself''
Islam is as much of a part of Western / European tradition as is the Judeo Christian, the Roman, the Greek heritage that this part of the world stands on. Much of the modern civilisation of the West, owes itself to the Islamic empires of the past. Of course, someone who hasn't studied the topic will think that's absurd and will say how can a barbaric and dirty people have gifted us things like hygiene, universities, hospitals and more.
TheKap1an 4 months ago
@TheKap1an So there was no hygiene, hospitals or "universities" before "Islamic empires of the past"? So you're saying that before the "Islamic empires of the past" Europe was complete shit with no future and nothing to stand on? How come?
badblueman 4 months ago
@badblueman
I think it would help if you studied history yourself as I can't give you a whole lecture here, but to cut it short, yes, the first university was opened by the Islamic civilisation, as well as the first official hospital, these are documented facts. As for hygiene, yes, the Europeans used to believe taking care of the body was bad because it was 'of this world', they stuffed their armpits with orange peelings, didn't wash. It was only until they came across the muslims -
TheKap1an 4 months ago
@badblueman
- and saw how much emphasis they put on hygiene with practices like doing the washing before the 5 daily prayers, how they had public baths - in one was saunas come from the concept of 'hamaam' which means the baths. Even down to the order of food courses we have today in restaurants, starter, main mean, dessert, that comes from the Islamic civilisation. The numbers you use comes from the Islamic empire. You can go read all this for yourself, there's much much more than this.
TheKap1an 4 months ago
@TheKap1an I don't understand. Are you saying that before the "Islamic empires of the past" Europe was complete shit with no future and nothing to stand on?
badblueman 4 months ago
Islam is indeed a Political Ideology in the garb of a Religion!
It's 95-61% Political Ideology..
& 5-39% religion..let alone Non-Muslims I think even many Muslims are either uninformed or deceptive about the reality of ISLAM!...
IT HAS *ALOT* OF VIOLENCE!..
We don't see a perpetual & uninterrupted *Avalanche* of Hindu, Buddhist Terrorists..or an endless supply of terrorists from Jainism!!
Why do you think Muslims are prospering in this cumbersome & vexatious field of Terrorism?
By accident?
baristha 5 months ago
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baristha 5 months ago
muslims dont have rights in europe? how about christians in muslim countries? you guys sux
catalinux007leiro 5 months ago
muslims arent europeans, sorry but you must addmit that evan you kile that or not
catalinux007leiro 5 months ago
lool, french associate muslims with violence? do you know why? because they are violent
catalinux007leiro 5 months ago
When will this Islamic bellyaching stop!..We will never be shari'a compliant get over it!
Shari'a demeans, debases, degrades, Humiliates.. Muslim Women and Non-Muslims..!
There is not a shred of freedom or equity for Common people under Shari'a Law!..Why do you think there are so many dictators in the Islamic World!?!
baristha 5 months ago
This guy is a total joke,Islam is failing and undermining Europe rather with the financial support of Saudi Arabia who funds their cultural centers /mosques, puts nice facades on AND WAHABBI PREACHERS INSIDE
THIS WAS FILMED IN LONDON S BIGGEST MOSQUE,the preacher advocates killing homosexuals, apostates and rape victims , says that you mustn't be friends with non-muslims but you can pretend to be nice if it serves the purposes of Islam (converting them)
Integration?nope
/watch?v=oc7PqjD_S3s
Snutih 5 months ago 8
@Snutih This kind of blatant islamophobia and xenophobia caused a right wing extremist to kill 97 children, and he did this because like you he felt threatened by muslims, like you he was radical in his beliefs, and like you he believed that anyone who promoted cultural friendship was a traitor to his people.im sure you would agree that more hate and discrimination is not the answer.advocating a genocide isn't the answer either. understanding might just achieve more than ignorance & extremism
billykingofgames 5 months ago
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@billykingofgames Why do you use the term "xenophobia" when I speak about a religion?I m from Tunisia myself , I live in an european suburb predominantly muslim and I m reporting what I see on a daily basis, whites here are called "gwer" , kuffar, pigs-muslims think all their woes happen because of them , forgetting that they made the school they went to a mess when they were thugs(which they still are even though it's now "religious") and this is why they are now on welfare and unintegrated.
Snutih 5 months ago
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@billykingofgames Just ask the muslim friends this verse in Quran 2:191
Slay them wherever ye find them (the disbelievers) and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.
deestilo 5 months ago
@billykingofgames What are the principle definitions of these two words "islamophobia" and "xenophobia"?
As far as I know A phobia is a very strong *irrational* fear or hatred of something..irrationality must, by definition, be an inherent part of Islamophobia, right?!
I think it won't qualify as a PHOBIA if you fear a person who is OVERTLY giving you death-threats..and rampantly killing others, flying plains into buildings.. for trivial reasons?
so, You're an Intellectually Dishonest person!
baristha 5 months ago
@baristha and you sir are a hypocrite. if you blame sharia and actions of the extremist muslims for an entire religion than why dont we take a look at the spanish inquizition, or the actions of the catholic church in the middle ages, or the actions of the Irgun prior to the creation of israel and blame those religions ?? why is it that if a muslim reporter is killed by an american soldier its an "accident" yet if a nonmuslim reporter is killed by an arab soldier its "terrorism" in the media?
billykingofgames 5 months ago
@billykingofgames "you sir are a hypocrite"
I guess You can't even read properly!
I talked about One hypothetical MAN!!
I *never* blamed all Muslims.."MAN" meant exclusively ISLAM!
"if you blame sharia and actions of the extremist muslims for an entire religion than why dont we take a look at the spanish inquizition"
I *wasn't* alive during Spanish inquisition!
I am alive now lets talk about Now and it's also a Non Sequitur fallacy!..
Learn it that One crime doesn't legitimize another crime!..
baristha 5 months ago
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Have you watched "undercover mosque",or read the Quran? Hostility and hatred are somehow a religious duty:
Sura (8:55) -Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve
Sura (48:29) -Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless)against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
You can t teach this sort of thing in a Western country, there are 100s more like this,
Islamic youth getting more religious = trouble inevitably,which Tariq wants
Snutih 5 months ago
@Snutih
And since when was the autocratic corrupt Saudi government an authority and yardstick for Islam?
TheKap1an 4 months ago
@Snutih I know of Europeans who feel its a o.k to kill muslims and doing other equally horrific things, good and bad exists everywhere!
fzjanjua 1 month ago
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Shame on EUROPE..SHAME ON YOU sons of Effeminate fathers...Shame on Your political correctness..You DON'T DESERVE TO BE FREE..You are not Vigilant enough..
Those WHO DON'T DEFEND THEMSELVES GOD Doesn't Help them Either..
either "COWARDICE" or "MASOCHISM" behind the facade of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS..is what is ruining Europe today..
baristha 6 months ago
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baristha 6 months ago
The Qur’an contains many inconsistencies, contradictions and errors. It's a confused cussing and prattle of a Paranoid Man, poorly written, full of absurdities and absurd statements. None of that bothers Muslims, who insist that it is a miracle, simply because Muhammad said so.
Muslims usually try to rationalize their predicament(due to the fear of Non-existent fiery hell);
A person confronted with an inescapable Plight(like Niqab for Women, Wife beating, etc) tends to regard it more Favorably.
baristha 6 months ago
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I loathe UK..for One SIMPLE REASON which is there unnecessary tolerance for Intolerance..
They are all victims of effeminacy. I think muslims have indeed emasculated British Males.
Shame on you UK and YOUR CULTURAL-RELATIVISM Hypocrisy..SHAME ON YOU ...Shame on You...Simply disgusting.."oooooooo" wtf??...
The Christians, who support ISLAM even when It clearly rejects the divinity of Christ, are the real traitors..
baristha 7 months ago
I loathe UK..for One SIMPLE REASON which is there unnecessary tolerance for Intolerance..
They are all victims of effeminacy. I think muslims have indeed emasculated British Males.
Shame on you UK and YOUR CULTURAL-RELATIVISM Hypocrisy..SHAME ON YOU ...Shame on You...Simply disgusting.."oooooooo" wtf??...
The Christians, who support ISLAM even when It clearly rejects the divinity of Christ, are the real traitors..
baristha 7 months ago
Former Saudi Arabia resident Mary Doreen exposes the horrific inner workings of sexual slavery in Saudi Arabia during her Talk Show ..Mary shares with your audience just what is considered normal and good in Saudi Arabia today:
Sexual slavery is considered an act of charity
Abuse and torture against Women is a "God-given right" for Arabs.
Supremacy and racism against Non-Muslims are honored in Saudi Arabia.
News of rapes and other Islamic crimes are suppressed..
baristha 7 months ago
@baristha really sad to read all this... this is how deep "muslims" have fallen nowadays... no wonder that Islam does not shine on earth anymore as it did during the golden age...
Really , I cant blame your hatred.. All I can tell you is, that that is totally against the true teachigns of Islam.. maybe or probably you wont believe me, but that is your choice in the end..
peace
goodoldBrainfood 7 months ago
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baristha 7 months ago
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@goodoldBrainfood I think you're a GOOD HUMAN and I want you to Tell me what should WE in the NON-MUSLIM world Do?
Should we succumb to Islamic Atrocities?
Do nothing?
Lay down and take it?
Silently watch our sisters, Wives getting molested in the streets by Hardcore Muslims, the followers of Muhammad who are ruthless to kufrs and merciful to each another?
baristha 7 months ago
@baristha well, i can understand your anger and hatred... I cant really blame you, no one can..
Nor does Islam teach you to go around the world conquer city after city Islam is only a guide to a peaceful way of life here and in the next. It is a guide to build a relationship with The Lord of the Worlds, which can even come as far as to "friendship" .. it is such a unique and beautiful way, but unfortunately nowadaysyou find hardly any muslim that strives to follow that guide
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
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@goodoldBrainfood may I invite you , to have a taste of Islam?
It has a sweetness that is unlike anything else in this world and can only be tasted with your heart.
But to be able to try it, you need sincerity and a desire for peace.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood "may I invite you , to have a taste of Islam?"
I am sincere...But what do you want me to say?
You and I both know that ISLAM Is the only religion today that is so barbaric that it perpetuates terrorism and partly relies on it too..majority of Muslims have a very dogmatic/cultic mentality..(Not talking about RACE, mind it)
The Typical definition of fanaticism is excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions, on any subject, especially religion.
baristha 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood Yes I like what you say except for,
"Islam is only a guide to a peaceful way of life here and in the next"
when I read Sura 9(al-taubah) that says, slay the disbelievers wherever you can..verse 5
Or sura 8 that says
smite above their necks and fingers..verse 12
Disbelievers are the vilest of animals…verse 55
..& The next day In the news paper I Find Muslims beheaded journalists and other non-believers..!
They do ring some bells..and I know, Islam Teaches VIOLENCE also!
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha mh... have you ever heard of something called "tafseer" ?
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood Isn't that Commentary on Quranic Verses?
Yes.
Why?
There is nothing but irrational and excessive lauding of Muhammad's deeds even if they are regarded as Misconducts in case of others..
Muslims usually try to sanitize and legitimize Muhammad's atrocities with lies, CONJECTURES, unfounded assertions, fallacious statements..by any means because they are ordered by Muhammad not to agree upon an error regarding Islamic doctrine or Muhammad's deeds(truly despicable barbarisms..)..
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha well, those "fallacious statmens" were made by greatest minds the world had ever seen.
put togehter all professors and shcolars of the world right now, they would be a joke compared to a Imam Abu Hanifa... real geniuses of their time and unsurpassed . well unfortunatley, you are of those hate driven people who have forsaken their intellect and chose their emotions as their guide.
Islam is peace and it will ever be. no matter what you or any fanatic says.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood "greatest minds"?
where did that come from?
With all due respect don't make the word "GENIUS" a cliché..Please!
you've gotta be denying the truth if you don't see any error in ISLAM.(Well, There are errors in every religion.)
"Genius" is comprised of components like Unique and clear Vision, Transcendental thinking and tenacity to implement that vision..
Einstein, Newton, Robert Oppenheimer, Max Plunk, Gandhi, Various Nobel laureates..are few examples of "GREATEST MINDS" EVER!
baristha 6 months ago
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baristha 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood where are you NOW?
Huh!!?!
In the Qur’an (Sura 33:50-51) so called “Allah” lists all of the categories of women who are made available to Muhammad. The Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't read 49:10), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to,is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (Zaynab & Mary).
baristha 6 months ago
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baristha 6 months ago
@baristha It is strange why out of a sudden you feel attacked. anyway, Islam is peace, as it always has been. History itself proves it.
This world doesn*t need 2 kinds of people: 1. Those fanatics who misinterpret Islam as they please and kill innocently
2.those who support their false view of Islam through accepting that as Islam.
If what you claim was really Islam, then there would ve been endless war since centuries.
Nor would there be any need for any muslim to counter your arguements.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood "fanatics who misinterpret Islam as they please and kill innocently"
--Kill Innocently?
Why are you trying to spray salt on the wound?
What is real ISLAM?
I am not only talking about TERRORISTS..but also about Self-appointed advocates of ISLAM who are adamant that ISLAM IS PERFECT..Just because a Mentally sick man said so..
You people are not amenable to reason.
WHAT CAN SHOULD WE PEOPLE DO?
You can't even let us condemn ISLAM.
Acts of Muslims & Qur'anic Injunctions correlate.
baristha 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood If you think ISLAM IS HIJACKED or Whatever..It means Islam is bloody confusing ..and rather risky..
& Some Muslims are goaded by ISLAM..and so called Moderate Muslims connive at the atrocities of Islam in IRAQ, SAUDI ARABIA non-Muslims are brutally tortured disgraced on a daily basis..
If they are the hijackers where is THE UNIVERSAL CONDEMNATION and STRICT ACTIONS AGAINST THE HIJACKERS?
as long as Stigma of terrorism(a type of Jihad) is attached to ISLAM, IT'S NOT acceptable.
baristha 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood Stop defending ISLAM and SAVE PEACE..
We criticize, They KILL..But Whose side are YOU ON?
What are you doing?
If anything Your proposition solidifies my claim that Quran has Got ISSUES..
but You're still trying to exempt Islam from every Criticism..why?
Whatever may be the reason it's associated with THE UNDERSTANDING OF QUR'AN..That Means QUR'AN IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH..and Thus far from being PERFECT..fraught with Haze!
Qur'an is all about discrimination against Non-MUSLIMS.
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha There have been hundreds of thousands of scholars throughout the century and even today, who make the meaning of the VErses of the Qur'an very clear.
Not anyone can call himself a scholar. One needs to study at least 20-25 years and even then only after being accepted by other scholars , one call himself a real scholar.
the Qur'an is crystal clear, but not simple , that is why Allah created men with intellect to explain it to others who have lesser.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood "There have been ..thousands of scholars throughout the century and even today, who make the meaning of the VErses of the Qur'an very clear."
--This, again, only solidifies My point..that the meaning of Quran is unclear and can vary from One man to another..even if one man's interpretation is Good, The other CAN radically differ & Quite Firmly claim that he is the Purist of Faith, can he not?
To a layman LIKE ME QURAN Self-evidently SEEMS TO BE THE SOURCE OF ALL ISLAMIC EVILS..
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha the humblest of all men are the true muslim scholars. so are the most God-fearing among men the scholars. and it is not possible that one contradicts another , for scholars do not decide on their own whether their interpretation is correct or not... other scholars have to approve of it as a reliable interpretation.
well you should inform yourself some more... you lack a lot of the basics..
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood I totally admit 2 things:
1. I'm far less educated than the scholars..
2. There are no contradictions in QURAN regarding How to treat non-Muslims..
..Qur'anic verses Do NOT contradict each other & rather they are pretty CLEAR in what they are trying to convey & only when taken collectively the full PICTURE is visible..
● The Message is HE who,Unequivocally Worships Muhammad+His shambolic portrayal of the unseen Allah, is SUPERIOR; non-Muslims MUST Suffer and if need be, Killed.
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha obviously, you have completely NOT understood the Qur'an, because obviously, you are neither a scholar, nor have you ever read any commentary of any, that is why you interpret the QUr'an the way you desire. But this is NOT how it works. Islam is crystal clear and has been made crystal clear.
either you accept that it is peace, or ignore it and choose your own false and disgusting version.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood What made you even think that I never read the Quran cover to cover?
well I've already admitted I am not a scholar..But WHY are you assuming the authority to tell what I am..I thought we're done with conjectures and judging each-other.
Why don't you present your case with a thorough and Objective analysis of Qur'an..& refute my claims..instead of ludicrously attacking Me.
(ROLE-MODEL)Muhammad was consistently intolerant and violent toward non-Muslims as soon as he had the power
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha I am not in need of refuting evidenceless and false claims
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood what proof do you want?..just tell me I will message you..okay?
baristha 6 months ago
@baristha and I quit this conversation from this point on, since it will only result in you insulting my Religion. No matter how many a proofs I will present you, it will be of no avail.
Well, in the end, death will show you the ultimate truth...
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood until then... try to really understand Islam and try to get rid of that false image you have in your mind.
goodoldBrainfood 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood oh this means IT IS ALL OUR FAULT THAT ISLAM IS SO VIOLENT AND THAT QURAN HAS SO MUCH VIOLENCE IN IT..YES!??!
typical muslim approach..First politeness, then insult and then abruptly end the discussion..
You know deep in your heart that I am right..Go read Sahih Bhukhari. Sahih Muslim, Al tabari, Ibn ishaq, Ibn katheer, Maududi..Abu dawud..all will be clear..!!!
to put it mildly Muhammad was a RUTHLESS, BARBARIC MAN..admit it or not truth doesn't change..
baristha 6 months ago
Fight them (disbelievers) until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
It is simple and basic, kill kill kill.
deestilo 5 months ago
@deestilo I couldn't agree more!
baristha 5 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood YOU believe koran is the perfect unalterable word of Allah and when we see..
that 61% of Koran is about impugning Non-Muslims and their Religions..
Quranic Verses are mainly about how Muslims should deal with non-Muslims. These verses are Verily political
Therefore, based on Islam's most holy book, Islam is more political than religious.
There are at least 527 verses of intolerance towards non-Muslims, and 109 verses specifically advocating violence towards non-Muslims..
baristha 6 months ago
@goodoldBrainfood Abu Hanifa was a staunch follower of Muhammad...who was a LIAR.
"Islam is peace..no matter what you or any fanatic says."
"you are of those hate driven people who have forsaken their intellect"
all of a sudden, I'm categorized as an ISLAM-HATER?
why?
Because I told the bitter truth?
Whatever you say or do YOU CAN NEVER PROVE YOUR POINT WITH EVIDENCE..we see EVIDENCE around US EVERYDAY..ISLAM IS No different than Muhammad himself.
Where is you super-polite approach...now?
baristha 6 months ago
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Nobody is saying the argument is about MUSLIMS are outsiders..It is that MUSLIMS ARE ANTI-DEMOCRACY..who support the idea of Islam's dominance over everything..and ISLAM IS A TOTALITARIAN (if you know what I mean) Ideology..
That interferes with personal lives and freewill of people at every single level..
I dread and abhor THIS IDEA OF MANDATORY SUBJUGATION AND MEEK SERVITUDE TO ANYTHING be it non-existent sadistic deity or a Muslim-Despot..
IT'S UNACCEPTABLE AND UNNECESSARY HELL FOR ME..
baristha 7 months ago
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baristha 7 months ago
"We can't reform something which we won't admit needs reforming...we can't fix something which we won't admit is broken.."
Robert Spencer..
I personally fear "moderate Muslims" (biggest OXYMORON) more than terrorists..so called Moderates are the guileful people who defend Islamic atrocities at every level by distorting Historical facts and by deceiving naive & ignorant fools ("al Taqiyya"-"holy deception")..and act as the facilitators for supremacist, anti-democracy Islamic IDEOLOGY..
baristha 7 months ago
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The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so for generations. This practice also predates the world’s oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.
More than half of Pakistani immigrants living in Britain are intermarried:
The research, conducted by the BBC and broadcast to a shocked nation, found that at least 55% of the community was married to a first cousin are at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.
baristha 7 months ago
Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1,400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings..
That's why they are so filled with superstitions and stupidity..
BUT what are they doing except for conniving at Islamic filth and silently watching Qur'an's (GOD'S WORDS) endeavor to eradicate Freedom, Humanity?
baristha 7 months ago
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baristha 7 months ago
Europe has everything to lose, being too uncultured and easy. Western Europe, needs to forget their individual materialism & work towards collective welfare. Its high time that Britain has to become more British in nature, every dutch needs to observe its values more orderly , every french needs to muscularise hz three statutes of freedom like never before and every German should reinvent hz post 2nd world war idea of Anti-Fascism in its modern sense to drive out Islamic fascists. EURO-GET UP
Salimlahore 8 months ago
fuck islam
21scuderia 9 months ago
where are the other videos?!??
nem700 9 months ago
Muslims are useless
IslamicDeathCult 9 months ago 2
17 655 Murders from the members of " the Religion of peace" since 9/11 !!!
How many murders did occur from OTHER religion since then? NONE !!!
Oh sorry I forgot : ONE dead Abortion Doctor, who was murdered by a Christian fanatci !!! so it is 17655 to 1 .....Muslims win by a huge margin..
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
hha, you always focus on 9/11, i mean there is millions of murders in california ans LA than anywhere in the world, just by tupid gangs, why you always try to respond with a stupid facts ?...how many deads in afghanistan, iraq , Palestine ? how many childrens without legs in pakistan ?..pfff,
sfirita 9 months ago
What we need is an adapting economical policy to the shrinking populations in Western Europe ... AND NOT MORE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION, who most of the time are UNDERQUALIFIED, AGGRESSIVE, RUDE and go directly to WELFARE !!!
90% of Lebanese in Germany ARE ON WELFARE !!! 40% of Turks haven't finnished SCHOOL!!! While 75% og German prison inmates are Muslim!!!
So , no we dont need more Muslim immigration. I rather have 3 Million Chinese immigration and get rid of ALL the unemployed Muslims ...
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
yeah thats the problem, with the 9/11, USA won a great, and collosus Aid from europe people, and governements, thats why i still think its a conspiracy , but im not shure..anyway, the goal is achieved, and it was to rely terrorism to muslims, and prepare the way to afganistan and iraq after that,..as oussama benladen is already dead from 2002..you will see ^^
sfirita 9 months ago
Koran
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
Sorry my first Line was wrong: I meant ... I dont need translation from Arabic into another language, since I know Arabic myself.
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@MrChickybee1
i have lot of friends who have converted from islam, they just lost faith, its their problem, in muslim country no one said anything to them, i mean..just see the muslim world, before talk about anything. lot of friend when they came in morocco they said to me " waw, you dont wear like afghanistan !", i was "lol" ^^ ..frankly, i will say one thing : "you are brainwached" , thast the word ^^, with no hardfeeling mate ^^.
sfirita 10 months ago
@MrChickybee1
islamophobia is a racist reaction . lot of people dont know what they talk about, in front of my hood there is lot of jews, christians...they are in a muslim country , and they live in the most peacefull way..there is a church just in front of a mosque, in my hood. arabs people are so educated in their perception of religion's relativity. we do "accept" others , of course there is extremists, in all religions.
sfirita 10 months ago
Can you show me , where I said anything RACIST? Here we have ANOTHER typical STUPID MUSLIM TACTIC by smearing the oponent to be Racist.
However my Muslim friend: ISLAM is NOT A RACE !!! Am I racist to Germans when I say , that I hate NAZISM ? Do I hate ITALIANS when I find , that facism is an EVIL ideology? Learn the difference between religion and race , you confused Muslim boy.
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist you said : "Your Religion is anything BUT humble. It is a HUMAN desease that is spreading all over the world because it mainly attacks STUPID and brainless people like the cousin fuckers in the middle east.".....in you opinion, is'nt that racist words ?...enlight me, friend.
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita I apologise for the " cousinf***Ers" this was totally unnescesary.
No hard feelings , my friend.
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
no, i dont have any hard feeling toward you, why should i ,its clear that we have an intese conversation ^^ but its good to change ideas whatever the way we take for it, as a muslim i dont hate anyone but devil (wich is in some case human been lol)...
sfirita 9 months ago
@MrChickybee1
they cant return home, its exactly because of the shi.ty foreign policy of lot of occidentals countrys, i mean WTF are you saying !! , you just invade our countrys, take our resources, we "resist", you call it "terrorism", we try to be "cool", you say we are "danger", WTF ??...imagine a world without israel for a second,.and without the shi.ty foreing policy of USA...the world would be better for sure !!!
sfirita 10 months ago
God I hate the "muslim" dominated audience!!! By booing they once again show, that they have a problem with free speach ( speaking out the truth) and critizism...
What a bad collection of audience.... !!!
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
Tariq Ramadan needs some Geography lessons. So he would know then, that Turkey is in Asia and only Istanbul and Tracia are situated on the European Continent 1/15 of the whole country!!
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
haha, come on, hate "muslims" as you wish, you cant change anything, there is dozens of people converting to islam every day...by their own choice ,people as you try desperatly to attack our humble religion, but you always fail..time will tell my friend, how far you were wrong about muslims..there is no smoke without fire, the foreign policy of some countrys is the origin of everything that happens . exemple : israel , USA .
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita LOL give me a break . Worldwide MORE people are leaving Islam despite the DEATHTHREATS and DEATH ORDERS they reveive from their IMAMS or familly members. What a nice and HUMBLE Religion Islam must be when apostasy is an automatic deathsentance according to ISLAM.
Your Religion is anything BUT humble. It is a HUMAN desease that is spreading all over the world because it mainly attacks STUPID and brainless people like the cousin fuckers in the middle east.
But Europe is too smart
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
LOL , i cant expect more from a hater and racist like you, you know what is your biggest fear, is that people start studying islamic religion, cause when they do, they just discover another truth, and then see themselve convert to islam..haha..you just talk, without knowing anything about our religion..apostasy ?? lol..see ? you dont know nothing, you will never read the coran, cause you will be muslim after reading it for sure.
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita Again ...only the typical diversion of conversation. Not one claim you can challange... BUt instead you just laugh it off..Yes my Muslim friend: According to Islam apostasy from Islam is punishable with death. Thats Islamic Law. It is you , who obviously havent read the Koran I read it TWICE !!! And I dont know ANOTHER book, that is so RACIT, HATEFULL, MISAGYNISTIC and full with contradictions.
On one passage Koran ( remember , allahs words) claims that the earth is flat like a carpet
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist he said : " On one passage Koran ( remember , allahs words) claims that the earth is flat like a carpet "
i say :
Just dont tell any more words, or you will bring the biggest shame on you ! haha, what ? allah claims that the earth is flat ? rofl !!!...just so you can remember one thing : several scientists convert to islam just due to the revelations in coran, that they found with scientific facts. learn my friend, learn : "/watch?v=zXa-UHu53bg"
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita You want evidence? Well since you havent read the Koran I will help you with the passage , my ignorant Muslim friend: My claim refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:
“And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).” [Al-Qur’an 71:19]
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
my dear friend, its a lie, there is no such thing in "our" and the real koran, if i read it you said ? lol, its the first thing every muslim does, its "learn" koran, not only read it, so i will say it again : you are saying nothing but imaginary. i mean if you can speak arabic i will give you the "real" verse. and you will translate it by yourself if you want...well, did you saw the link i linked ?..see it my friend,."/watch?v=zXa-UHu53bg"
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita My dear Muslim friend. I dont have to translate it into Arabic, since I know the language myself , hence your "false interpretation-trick" doesn't work wit me
Again I stand to my point, that the Koran has over 200 violent verses givin Muslims direct orders in 26 verses to "kill " the infidels ( where ever you find them)
No other Religeous books claims to be the DIRECT words of God so there is very little room for interpretation, even WHEN the book is sometimes translated difusely
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
Infidels are "not" only people who are not muslims, in muslims there is infidel people , and the "killing" is not a direct order, its the coran, written in a language that even the most intelligent muslims made hundrerds of years to decrypt its meaning , its all metaphoric ideas ,200 violent verses you said ?what about the hundreds of verses wich force us to believe in christ, in judaism.?wich tell us to be a good person, with good behavior..one word : Fail.try again mate.
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita So if the KORAN is gods words, he(GOD) wanted to spread to the world , why is it SO HARD to understand??? Even for Arabs? Is god so ignorant, that he had to USE a difficult language to put his points accross? If god is allmighty, why didnt he use a more easy language so every man in the world can understand, what he wants from us? Or is this " false interpretation " speech only ANOTHER excuse to divert from the fact, that the KORAB teaches violence and HATE !!!
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
It seems like the usual Leftist suspects are in the audience booing Douglas Murray. So amusing how Leftists so enthusiastically defend the misogynistic, paedophilic, imperialist, supremacist, antisemitic, theocratic, anti-democratic, ultra-fascist political dogma called Islam.
CrankCase08 10 months ago
I totally agree with the white dude, muslims are equal to all other citizens and are not entitled to extra special treatment.
Islam needs to de-sensitize quickly
shandcunt 11 months ago
rest of the parts?????
mademan4life 11 months ago
@amper314 its th other way round, west destroyed muslim countries, btw, look at the history, if it wasn't for Islam, europe would be a mess, read up on the history of Islam contributions to europe.
mademan4life 11 months ago
That audience sure is rude, proving Douglas Murray's point about the inability of people to listen without freaking out about so called "discrimination"
Fenixx117 11 months ago
SO WHAT! POPULATIONS DO CHANGE THROUGH TIME. EUROPE FELL TO THE JEWS A LONGTIME AGO AND EUROPEANS ARE STILL THEIR SLAVES BUT OF COURSE THE NEWS WILL NOT SAY IT.
glower125 11 months ago
wow the reaction of the crowds when murray speaks show how far the UK is going down the liberalism, political correctness road. Sad.
LePetitGrosse 11 months ago
this is bullshit. The Middle east is failing its non-muslims. In Europe, the muslims are increasing, and in the middle east, christians and jews are declining. Why do they want to feel victimised in Europe when they are not? They can say the palestinian muslims are victimised sure but in europe wtf ? ok so they said they are victimised in europe, would they rather be a victim in europe or victim in middle east?
LePetitGrosse 11 months ago
any one know were part 2 is ?
401758 11 months ago
The muslims that have been here for centuries are peaceful and secular. The problems are raised by muslim immigrants and second generation thereof. What Tariq is doing is to conflate the two under the same heading: muslim.
ahmedeox 11 months ago
Hey, was there ever a debate in the UK about making Polish ppl feel more at home? or about making Eastern Europeans in general or the Chinese feel more at home? No? Then why the f*** are we talking about muslims? Why are they so special?
ahmedeox 11 months ago 3
3:50 "you feel at home....."
that is the PROBLEM. the 'homes' European Muslims come from are usually viscious backwards horrible places torn up BY ISLAM (Somalia, Pakistan, Morocco etc) , then they go to Europe to be free and have higher life expectancy so that everyone can accomodate them! wtf? no. leave your 'home' behind and adapt to the new one. it's like a new house, you dont keep all your garbage, you freshen the place up and KEEP IT CLEAN.
deveousdevil 11 months ago 3
Funny that when someone (Murray) speaks the truth in Europe, people start to feel uncomfortable (audience). This is how political correctness has poisoned our continent.
TWITVB 11 months ago 12
Muslims in Netherlands get paid by our taxes to live in a house etc also the goverment here builds mosques of taxes but not churches.... muslims have more rights in the Netherlands this is because my country is tolerant for 100's of years to other races and religions
nlRobertnl 1 year ago 4
ahamris 8 months ago
@ahamris Beste Ahamris dit geld ook niet voor alle moslims maar dit zie ik niet zwart wit het is een feit en het gebeurt mischien nu minder dan vroeger. Ik heb respect voor jou dat je gewoon werkt er zijn natuurlijk ook gewoon westerlingen die van een uitkering leven. Ik weet dat de meeste moskeeen gewoon worden gesubsideerd net als moslim organisaties. Als je kijkt naar een Islamitisch land zoals saudi Arabie dan is dit echt niet mogelijk voor een ander gelovige of cultuur.
nlRobertnl 8 months ago
How is Europe failing it's muslims? that's pure BS. It's not like Muslims make non Muslims feel at home in Muslim countries.
larcm3 1 year ago 11
@MrChickybee1 that is true.
larcm3 1 year ago
God what a loud and disgusting person.
xplson 1 year ago
The time will come when Europe has been pushed to far, and the courtesies of allowing any ethnicity to call itself European will be gone. We all know that being CIVICLY European and ETHNICALLY European are 2 different things. At the minute Europeans are ruled by a fuzzy minded PC philosophy (actually cultural marxism). If Europeans are forced to shed this through further conflict with Islam, Tariq won't be able to play his pathetic play on words that seems the foundation of his debate.
scrembo 1 year ago
This is crazy. Who needs to welcome them. They have made themselves at home by rioting. raping and sponging off society. If they are not feeling welcome, good. Maybe they will go back to their backwards countries.
rivermill100 1 year ago 4
so... whats the problem?
sitdownstandup91 1 year ago
tariq ramadan perfect al-taqyyja deception ,laying to all non-Muslims. His roots are from Muslim Brotherhood (member of family)...all terrorist organisations taking ideology from Muslim Brotherhood!. Islam should be ban in Europe, Koran should be ban in our countries, mosques should be closed down, all Muslims should be deported peaceful to their countries...this the only solution to live in peace with all Muslims. They spread by violence and hate by sword conquered parts of Europe
goldchrist1 1 year ago 26
@goldchrist1 if u want that, u jus make sure to tell america and britain to stay the fuck out off Muslims countries, mind their business.
mademan4life 11 months ago
@mademan4life I know allah is preventing Muslims to be open minded people(you are the most violent and backward civilisation ever existed). That's why now you Muslim in EU and USA are doing everything to reverse it(invest in science, engineering etc.). But let me ask you what Islam was doing on lands of non-Muslims since 622?. I will help you: reaping, stealing other people women, lands, property, know how. Islam is like cancer and Christ is an answer.
goldchrist1 11 months ago
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goldchrist1 10 months ago
@goldchrist1
Exactly, so lets begin with your governements , let say that american's army and europeen army have to leave our arab country's first, and that israel leave palestine and give back the stolen land to their owners,...you know, what you call "terrorism" i call it "resistance"..just imagine yourself in Palestine, or iraq,..and hopefully you will understand. arabs have been terrorised for long long time, know the history, seek the real truth!.
sfirita 10 months ago
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@sfirita Read the history and read the Bible. God said that a Philistine belongs to Jews. Yes arabs did terrorised Israel for nearly 5000 year or more, started from Egipy and continue once Jews arrived to they promissed land. Today so callled Palestine. You never stopped to attack Jews and Christians and others non-muslims. So far you have stolen 1/4 of the whole earth
goldchrist1 10 months ago
@goldchrist1
dear "friend", you have a serious probleme with islam itself, and you call yourself a "christian" ,shame on you, hey guys, just see his profile . you are just pathetic, héhé, attack islam as you wish, somehow islam always wins over people like you...thats why there will never be peace in the world, you just create problems, and refer it to muslims, so pathetic ! learn history, know why arabs came to europe, who love to be away from his home anyway ? pfff..learn my friend.
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita Christ will sort it soon!.
goldchrist1 10 months ago
@goldchrist1
just stop speading hate, you cant eliminate us from this planet, i mean israel already try but fails..i mean, come on, before israel and the foreign USA policy, was there any muslim blowing out there in europe ??.you just say the poor victim brainwashed muslim guy who go and blow himself, for a false reasons, but yo udont say " why didi he done that ?" , i will say why : 2 words : Israel , USA.(governement not people)
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita NOt Europe, because there where NO Muslim IMMIGRANTS . So there was NO conflict with them in Europe... except .... in Serbia with Muslims Serbs ( today Bosnians) and Albanians ... Or in Turkey/ Greece ...
+ In Turkey in the 1920th where 1,5 Million christian Armenians where deported and slaughtered...
So Yes in hindsight... even then where there was considerable Muslim population there was conflict with MUSLIMS in Europe ..
Not to mention the conflicts elsewhere in the world
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
what ? there was no muslim immigrants ? ..its europe who bring muslims and arabs , due to the aprticipation of some arab/muslims in WW2, and also due to the needs of demographic developement, i mean without immigration some countries shoud be under-populated, like suizerland, netherland..and canada too..and in other hand, not to mention what USA and europe do to the middle east forcing people to runaway from the bad life they have there.
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita Give my a break. Let me break with another myth of your multicultural propaganda: Underpopulation is NOT A BAD THING .. looking at the OVERPOPULATED ARAB World ( because they breed like mosquitos) you can easily understand, that the corrupt arab countries are not able to feed every one or give them well paied jobs .. So lets take German with 80 Million: If they lose 10 or 15 Million it would be ok because Sweden only has 8 MILLION population and has one of the healthiest economies
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@sfirita So stop blaming "world politics" and Israel for Muslims warlike aggressive behaviour .. Again this is a typical Muslim apologist tactic to DIVERT from the aggression of the Islamic Faith by mentioning World Politics as an excuse... Muslims where violent before the United States was a Worldpower and BEFORE Israel EVEN EXISTED... ISRAEL IS ONLY AN EXCUSE to JUSTIFY your murderous and aggressive behaviour ALL OVER THE WORLD !!!
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@NaturalBornHedonist
HAHAHAHA , What ??..ISRAEL in an excuse for Arabs ?? Hahahaha, ok, know i understand better, hahaha..and i wasted my time trying to debate with a zionist like you, PS : its totally the oppsit, i mean, its the israel who take the nazi's holocaust as excuse to kill and rape and decapitate arabs in palestine, pfff..if you think that israel is not raping a free people, then i'll not be honored to speak with you..go boycot muslims as you want, we always win. "good", always win
sfirita 10 months ago
@sfirita Yeah they are decapitating Arabs in their millions ... HA HA HA
The only people who are proudly decapitating the "non-muslims" are your Arab/muslims , who are so perverse , that they even film the "event" while shouting Allahu Akbar .So dont you even start with that nonsense By the way: If ISrael was such a BAD and " racist " state , then tell me: Why does EVERY Arab want to LIVE and WORK in Israel? 20% Arab Population in Israel. YOu are gullable enough to believe the Paliwood lies.
NaturalBornHedonist 10 months ago
@sfirita I love muslims as people. But I hate allah (satan) and islam..
Even real God said that you are a "wild donkey men" and you will be a trouble to all people. AND YOU ARE
Genesis 16.“You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a] for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility toward[b] all his brothers.”
goldchrist1 10 months ago