Truth be said, few of the immigrants waves were result of conscious or deliberated policies, but results of what-ever-the-wind-blew-in through the widely opened doors and windows.The "open doors" was the disease and immigration as it was conducted the symptom.
With no criteria and no goals, but even worse used as psychological comfort to multiculturalists ideological gymnastics,the problematic outcome is no surprise.
Its past five for damage control, but better late than never.
@MarkMuses Explain what genocide means in this context and again explain why it is a bad thing and who it is a bad thing for. Giving something a different label is not explaining anything. If I go to the doctor and say I've got stomach ache and she says I've got gastritis all she's done is translate my symptoms into Latin. You need to explain what the problem is, who perceives it as a problem and why they may see it as a problem, not merely toss out a new label for the same phenomenon.
If your wife is mixed race then I should add that Salter also touches on genetic interests from a mixed race perspective seeing as I've been going on about his book.
You ask what's bad about brown people? Nothing when they are not being flooded into white countries and only white countries to genocide my race and fill the pockets of elite traitors in cheap labour ultimately leaving no homeland for white people while Asia remains for the Asians and Africa for the Africans. Kind of stinks...
@MarkMuses I don't know where you got the idea my wife is mixed race from.
Britain is no longer a white-only country. I don't have any problem with that. It is the culture that matters. Racial purity is of no value to anybody, what matters is the culture. I want to live in a country full of my culture, not one which celebrates every other culture ahead of my own. If I want to experience another culture I know where the airport is.
@MartinJWillett When you write "i married a native american/scottish girl", that sounds mixed-race to me.
I agree with your views on culture, except you seem to think culture is independent of race whereas I recognise them as symbiotically linked. The character of every country reflects its racial make up.
Sadly thanks to your obsession with destroying your own race there will be very few white countries left by the end of the century. Too late to say "oops" then.
@MarkMuses If I had written that then you would have made a reasonable deduction. I didn't.
How exactly does being a mixed race country become a tragedy, and who notices? Can you point to a country which used to be racially pure and whose mixed race inhabitants now hate themselves?
If you asked "how is it a tragedy that a country founded by one racial people becomes a country of many racial peoples?"
My answer would be that if the founding people had been asked if they wanted this and had said "yes" then it would at least be ethical.
However that isn't how it happened. Instead White people have been singled out and bullied into submission. What is more this has happened in White countries and ONLY White countries. It's genocide.
@MarkMuses Utter crap. There is no more a plan to turn white countries brown than there is a plan to add nitrates to drinking water, increase the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere or make former steel towns quieter places with more affordable housing. Just because something happens it does not follow that somebody rich, powerful, optionally Jewish and blameworthy planned it directly for their own sinister purposes.
@MartinJWillett There is a stark difference that you have omitted.
If I objected to any of your examples in my community would I be demonised, ostracised, possibly lose my job or even incarcerated? No I would not.
Racialism is the only one-time-debatable topic now aggressively oppressed, which clearly facilitates the global dispossession of Indo-European peoples and no other racial group.
Explain this in comparison to your spurious examples as a supposedly undirected phenomena then.
@MartinJWillett You wrote "How exactly does being a mixed race country become a tragedy" I objected to the premise as already stated because your question omits the vast majority of the time the country has been homogeneous. My country was NOT founded as a mixed-race one.
If you want to ask what my objections are to mixed-race countries then ask it - unloaded.
I also expect a response to the challenge in my last comment. Make this two-way pal or you are trying to interrogate me. Up to you.
@MarkMuses It is a simple question and I would appreciate an answer to it.
People who are my friend never call me mate, pal or Bro, only people who aren't my friend do that. 500 characters is a small limit, don't waste characters on barbed insincerity.
@MartinJWillett You are trivialising my replies. If you are so conceited that you will not debate, then you will learn nothing from me, nor I from you.
@MarkMuses Do you want to answer or would you prefer me to think of me imagining that you have a better argument than you could ever manage to articulate? You have offered nothing of any substance so far.
@MartinJWillett In that case, what if the majority of the population want to develop a culture that differs from the version you want, are you saying that your version must override what the majority want ? but then again, as you say, you know where the airport is.
Anyway. It's nice that you noticed that. Here, at the outskirts of the Union we are starting to feel the effects of the brain drain in the medical field. Specialized surgeons are fleeing like rats. And they aren't the only ones. I assume it's worst in the countries you are worried about.
The problem with Islam is not their doctrine its their actions. like Harris said you dont see Amish blowing people up. i will go a step further even quack religions are less violent than Islam. NOI is extremely racists and filled with hatred yet you don't see them blowing up cars in the name of Farrakhan. I have no problems with religion even hateful religions. but when muslims tell you they hate you. and provide proof by killing innocent people i think its very important you indeed wake
You know the example of the frog in the kettle of heating water.. I just wonder if it's too late yet to jump out of the water, or perhaps we're too late already.
"doing nothing in politics" has consequences too, in the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,former Yugoslavia and especially important for the future in Iran.
@zweezey Distrust of people who appear to belong to another race exists in every subject that has been tested for it, regardless of how many anti-racist demos they have been on. Denying human nature is not a good start in any policy making process, although the left do it all the fucking time.
A tendency towards mild xenophobia is normal, as in far more widespread than homosexuality or left-handedness. We must adapt in the light of this knowledge.
I agree with the op but first we would need a government that is not spineless and willing to pull out of the EU which is unlikley. Is it not the case that we are tied by treaty to have a open door policy on european imigration?
We spend far too little on training our own labour force to the detrement of our economy imo
Self-segregation is natural. This culture-based causal crap is just more leftist slight of hand. Homogeneous societies give more, care more. Heterogeneous societies give less. Unmolested, we serve our genetic interests - not the false god of Marxist ANTI-WHITE dogma.
It's time we busted the very language the left has taken control over.
Racism is natural healthy AVERSON not 'hate'. It only becomes HATE when a people is displaced in its native land without its consent and by aggressive coercion
@MarkMuses Exactly. We have a built-in prejudice against people who look different, it isn't hatred it is caution, it is a lot easier to hate people of a different race but hatred is NOT built-in, it requires triggering. I have a hypothesis that the fear of clowns is widespread because clowns appear to a child's brain like members of a rival tribe/race/species, which makes the child very cautious and prepared to act on the slightest confirmation that clowns represent a threat.
@MartinJWillett Now the real question is... Is this inborn natural predjudice justified on all accounts? Is it reasonable and logical to distrust someone for no other reason, but their looks? How is it healthy to create division and an inablility to cooperate with each other within a society? Homogeneity and heterogeneity societies are not strictly a racial standard. To be homogeneous is to be uniformed. That can just as easily be a mixture of cultures and races, but uniform in societal ideology
@Thayer79 It is completely sensible. It is the same with snakes. Monkeys that haven't ever seen a snake are not scared, but it only takes seeing one other monkey to show fear of snakes for the full-force built-in fear to engage (including fear of ropes and hose-pipes). This is exactly what our species needs, racism is not the default, but if there is a stimulus it should be a lesson we learn quickly and thoroughly, our whole tribe's survival could depend upon it.
@MartinJWillett Except the difference is that we arent just skating through life on our instincts. We can use logic and reason to decide what individuals are a threat and not use predjudices to get by in life. What you've said sounds a lot like someone that is intellectually lazy and doesn't want to take the time to analyze those they involve themselves with or it's a pathetic excuse to be racist Not to mention the ones we are judging aren't an instinctual threat anymore now that they can reason
@Thayer79 If we don't understand our instincts we can never understand our actions. The sin model is useless. We need to understand why we behave the way we do, "because we're bad" doesn't help at all.
Understanding that we are all pre-programmed to be racist if stimulated helps us enormously, it shows we cannot be complacent, the assumption that racism is learnt is WRONG, it is not learned over time with multiple reinforcement from bad parenting, it is merely triggered. Great care is needed.
@MartinJWillett I agree. Though I'm not sold on racism being completely instinctual. I think nurture reinforcement plays a big role on whether or not it actually affects our thinking and action, but even if it were true, that doesn't make it Healthy. Understanding things better is good in learning how to get past it. It doesn't mean we should embrace it to understand it better. It's an archaic and antiquated stance to have, instinct or not.
@Thayer79 It has been proven (at least to the satisfaction of R Dawkins) that everybody finds it harder to associate positive values to people of other races.
Of course I am not suggesting that this is healthy in our current environment, any more than our appetite for sugar, salt and fat is healthy, but pretending that our nature is different never helps, although it seems to be standard operating procedure for the left.
@MartinJWillett Well. I'm American and there is no left and right difference on the race issue, except for the right silently embracing their racism more. But I don't attribute myself with really either party. I'm progressive, and our immigration state is what it is and no amount of what it ought to be will change it now. Though I am for a stronger more realistic immigration reform. I don't mind immigrants in the US I think it's slightly hypocritical to stop it, but it needs to be sustainable.
@Thayer79 Hypocritical? What utter nonsense. There were times when immigration served the needs of most Americans, it is not hypocritical now to decide that times have changed, no matter what proportion of your people are descended from immigrants of the past. It is no more hypocritical than changing an interest rate or tax policy which used to suit your people's needs and now doesn't.
@MartinJWillett If I speak about how great our nation is because of immigration and yet think immigration is a bad thing because of xenophobia then YES it is hypocritical, but wouldn't be if it became necessary due to unsustainability. If there was a legitimate reason to close our borders. The thing is we aren't in danger of unsustainability. Our economy woes and other issues have nothing to do with immigration, except the bigotry of nationalist idiots.
@Thayer79 If something once served the national need and now doesn't why not end it? What is hypocritical about recognizing changed circumstances? At one time immigrants gave up their former connections, their families mourned them as if they had died, and they embraced the new culture they were entering. That is not the immigration story today.
Are you in contact with any pre-migration relatives in Europe? Third world migrants today are different, the game has changed.
@MartinJWillett It's hypocritical to want to stop immigration for the sole reason of xenophobia. There has to be a real and legitamite reason for not wanting other people into the nation. Like my stated reason of unsustainability. Otherwise it's unfounded bigotry.
@MartinJWillett Exactly what time frame are you talking about? If you mean do I have any family in Europe then I'd say yes, but I;m not in contact with them. I was adopted and my relatives in Germany are unknown to me. May even be dead by now.
If not, then why ask a rhetorical question and then expect an answer before answering my legitimite one?
@Thayer79 The point about the question is that most European migrants to the USA had virtually no further contact with their families back home. They left to become Americans, not to live as Germans in America. As time has moved on the extent of the severing of ties has changed completely. Today's migrants are in constant contact with home and they make negligible efforts to fit in. Migration isn't about adopting a new culture any longer, it is just about an easier and richer life.
@MartinJWillett You see this is good. I like the exchange, because this is where I both agree with you and disagree with you. OF COURSE I agree with you on integration. Yes if you are going to come to another country you should immerse yourself and integrate. You can keep your culture ideas and practices just don't try to force them on us. BUUUUUUT I don't think you can generalize all immigrants with those that don't integrate. It's a baseless predjudice. I haven't seen where it is the norm.
@Thayer79 I refer you to my answer comparing migration to gender realignment surgery. There is no obligation on any country to take in immigrants. None at all. However some of the greatest patriots you ever come across are migrants, those who really want to throw themselves into the project 100% should be welcome, the rest should be told to try somewhere else that doesn't care about having a future or a coherent society.
@MartinJWillett Dammit! I still disagree. I think stricter immigration standards, definitely, but you can't expect immigrant to be more productive than the citizens themselves. Did you know that most immigrant to the US are more knowledgable than the damned ignorant Americans that actually live there? It's pathetic. Kind of like Atheists knowing more about the holy books than the religious do. I think you, at that point, are setting up a hypocritical standard.
@MartinJWillett Though I will give you that there are muslim clerics that are putting out orders for muslim immigrants to NOT integrate and that should be a red flag for ANY leader. It should only affect the immigrant though if they prove to be refusing to integrate. I can't imagine living in Germany and EXPECTING the german culture to change to fit my standards. I live in Germany right now, not a citizen, I don't expect any kind of accomodation from them to make the silly American comfortable.
@MartinJWillett - I believe we should consider all people who are here simply citizens. It does not matter to me how they got here or how long they've been here. We have better things to spend our money on then sending them back out of the country. Furthermore, this would remove the incentive the wealthy often have for bringing them in. If they're automatically citizens, then they're automatically eligible for such things as minimum wage and benefits for full time work.
@MartinJWillett Besides if the evidence shows that racism is inherent in our genes, then I won't deny it anymore than any other theory backed by evidence, but I won't embrace it just because it's there. I personally don't feel inherently racist though. I've never had a problem with other cultures or races. I don't see skin color as any different than eye or hair color. Nothing to me make someone specifically different to me just by looking at them. I don't see them as outside my "tribe."
@Thayer79 Lots of people (such as myself) don't feel racist in any way, but to deny evidence that we are all slightly racist just because we don't want to believe it is not rational. The evidence shows that everybody ever tested shows some bias, there is a real and ineradicable basis for racist attitudes. That doesn't mean we should embrace racism, it is not rational behaviour in the modern world.
@MartinJWillett Then we agree. I guess I misread your response, where you seemed to agree with the commentor MarkMuses when they said "Racism is natural healthy AVERSON..."
They also grossly misrepresented Homogeneity and Heterogeneity. I've also seen it on other websites as well to PROMOTE racist nationalism.
@MartinJWillett Though I do think that immigration shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to being PC. I am for legal immigration, but only when it's sustainable. Nobody should be required to take in immigrants, because they are there, but at the same time nations shouldn't just close their borders out of xenophobia. I think that if it were to happen, it should ONLY happen with the intention of waiting until a realistic comprehensive immigration standard is created.
@Thayer79 Migration should be like gender re-allocation surgery: only indicated when somebody really has clearly been born in the wrong country for the values and aspirations they hold.
@MarkMuses Just because something is natural doesn't mean it is justified and should be considered good. We have a lot of base nmatural instincts that are natural but that doesn't mean we should follow them all. Homogeneity and heterogeneity has been misused over and over again. A homogeneous society is often mischaracterized as consisting of only one race. A homgeneous society can include many different cultures or races, but the society is homogeneous on principles and ideology.
@Thayer79 Sorry, but I disagree completely. My evidence is Frank Salter's On Genetic Interests. What is your evidence to the contrary? Homogeneity is what it says on the tin, in my opinion. Anything else is a distortion.
What is natural is not 'bad'. All emotions must be expressed, preferably positively. Anger for example is natural and can be both good and bad - Ying and Yang. I oppose social engineering that attempts to denude us of our humanity. I am an intelligent ANIMAL and happy to be so.
@MarkMuses It predates his work. It's a general term used in physics and statistics. It refers to things being uniform composition or character. he may havew used it in reference to race, but it does not belong to race alone.
The second thing is that you are in a sense quote mining him. Like many others looking to have an excuse for racism. The ethny as Salter puts it deals with race, ethnic group, or NATION. Which can consist of multiple races.
@Thayer79 Anyone can look up the word "homogeneous" and judge the context I used for themselves.
Your second para is committing projection by attempting to invalidate my argument based on perceived motive rather than actual content. Salter recognises race within which ethnicities reside. Racial structure is nested. I am quoting him in context.
@MarkMuses Wow. You're right. I've misread his findings. His standards are asinine from the quotes I've seen of him. If large numbers of immigrant mexicans essentially take from programs they didn't contribute to then that is a illegal immigration problem, because if they were legal immigrants than they would be contributing to the system they use and typically wouldn't be on those programs to begin with. He may have found genetic disposition for racism, but his political standces don't follow.
@Thayer79 Frank Salter's book impressed me. He advocates a universal nationalism that leaves behind the national socialism of Hitler and international socialism of Marx. I believe that all nations once freed of 'socialism' can embrace pragmatism and international altruism under genuine democracy.
Mutli-racialism is a failure. We are biologically different, indeed superior and inferior as groups in different pursuits. Ultimate humanitarianism recognises this real diversity. No 'hate' required.
@MarkMuses So that's what it boils down to. You're a nationalist racialist? How do you even remotely think that dividing a world up into distinct groups and preventing certain types of interraction would inspire ANY kind of altruism? How do you justify superiority of one group or another? Even if we are genetically predisposed to be racist, what in that shows that we better or worse? If I'm reading Salter right he's a crackpot that had a good discovery and then used his findings for bigotry.
@MarkMuses In fact I have yet to find anything he's done that is peer reviewed and of ANY significance. I'm still trying to find where his genetic finds are even peer reviewed. You keep using hate like I'm assuming you are hating. I'm not. I think you are just a racist and found a way to justify it, or so you think, and are comfortable with it. No hate needed. You find yoursellf superior.
@MarkMuses Except if Salter's findings are real then you can't guarantee that you are on the superior side. Maybe your genes are too different to warrant staying in the UK and are asked to leave as well. What then? Would you change your mind? Or do you feel secure becaue you are in the majority. This is typical of racists. They are only for expulsion as long as it isn't their race that is expelled. You haven't made a case for anything and neither has Salter. Your source is lacking credibility
@Thayer79 You have suddenly come out with a very high frequency of standard anti-white memes and clearly not debating. One technique anti-whites use is to blitz with rhetorical questions. I will not put up with that.
So, you are anti-white right? Okay then I am not dealing with a correspondent, but an indoctrinated mouthpiece.
Salter's book is multi-disciplinary and well received. If you are so blind as to discount it because it trips your learned response to race realism that's your problem
@MarkMuses Tell me. how is a white man anti-white? How did you determine I was a brainwashed mouthpiece? If it's because I disagreed with you then you're just trying to staunch dissent to your ideology.
As for Salter's work. He has been well recieved by racialists and racists. I have yet to find anything in support of his findings within scientific studies. Show me a peer reviewed paper and I might consider giving him credit, but as for his political OPINIONs all I see are unfounded assumptions
@Thayer79 Why could a white man not be anti-white? Does the concept of "traitor" confuse you?
For Salter. look him up on Wikipedia or wherever you like to review his qualifications. I think he can withstand the usual character assassination anti-Whites manufacture. You guys even tried to crucify James Watson the co-discover of DNA itself and Nobel Prize winner for it. So I have no respect for anti-whites any longer.
@MarkMuses Your senseless diatribe has no bases in fact and therefore is useless. I'm a traitor because of my human solidarity and not bigotry? I, if it were true, refuse to be a slave to my genetics, when I know that, no matter what my genes tell me, it's morraly corrupt to prejudge others based on their appearance? You are a traitor to civilization if anything. A Gene Dog
As for Salter. It doesn't matter what his credentials are if he doesn't actually produyce anything worth citing.
@Thayer79 "Bigotry" that's another favourite ad hominem. A "gene slave" sounds ridiculous. Go tell a polar bear it must mate with a brown bear or be called a "gene slave". When not bullied by anti-whites most people naturally self-segregate. Who the hell are you to pathologise nature?
@MarkMuses It's not an ad hominem just a statement of fact. I didn't use it as an reason that your argument was invalid so it's not an ad hominem. Especially since you didn't actually make an argument. That's why my actually comment was that your conclusions were unsubstantiated. They have no valid bases.
@MarkMuses How old are you? I'd swear you were a thirteen year old with that kind of logic. A polar bear has no ability to make moral choices. They are ruled by instinct, and cannot do anything different. Humans on the other hand are sentient animals. It's one of the many things that sets us apart from other animals. It's also natural to kill the competition from other "ethnies." Yet we don't. Because we have the capacity to empathize. It's one of the bases for our morality. Maybe yours broke.
@Thayer79 You think being human divorces us from our biology? Are you insane? What are you trying to do? Turn humanity into the Borg? You think you have science and morality. You have neither. You dismiss academics so as not to even have to read their arguments. You deny one whole group its identity while all others must be revered. You are morally and factually bankrupt.
Go and spin me Lewontin's Fallacy. You know you want to...
@MarkMuses No being sentient and empathetic allows us to overcome our base instincts to allow for a more cohesive social structure. Even if racial homogeneity allowed for more charitable interractions between humans, we have the ability to act differently and become more charitable to all races. Seeing flaws in our genetic predisposition allows us to act beyond it. Much like we do with people that have a genetic predisposition to certain diseases.
@MarkMuses Your persistant assertions about me are inane at best. It shows that you are grasping at anything you can and trying to force me to slip up or something. Why would I have a proplem with racial distinctions in genes? It doesn't make one superior and one inferior. We're still all apart of the same subspecies Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Even if there is a genetic distinction between the races. It doesn't show that we need to stay within our own genes. Your case is still unfounded.
@Thayer79 Let's be clear. I am not trying to tell you who you can associate with or deny your right to self determination.
But you are and your creed want me to be bullied by illegitimate laws against these most basic rights. I am the dissident. YOU are the oppressor. You post ANTI-WHITE. Now go on, let's have Lewontin's Fallacy. Every anti-white spews it out at some point.
@MarkMuses You have an unstated position. You haven't even shown HOW you are supposedly being oppressed. What basic rights are you talking about? What laws are oppressing you?No one is forcing you to do anything. You have a serious victim mentality.
It's obvious you don't understand Lewontin's Fallacy, because in just the last post I told you how I don't disagree that race can be defined by genetics. I said SO WHAT. It doesn't support you idea of nationalist racialism.
@Thayer79 Unstated? Certainly not. I stated my support for universal nationalism 3 pages ago and made clear the distinction from socialism of which both left and right forms have cost millions of lives.
You are oppressing me. Stop it. Haha. See how it goes? I'm learning all the bullshit anti-whites play out and flipping it. Did you just oppress me again? Stop it. Hehe...
See my previous comment for the rights you trample on. Did you just say race exist by the way?
@MarkMuses You are still grasping. You have a right to not associate with anyone. You can go live in a cave and not associate with anyone. Your and my rights ALWAYS end where someone else's begins. That's the way it is and should be. Your choice to NOT reproduce outside of your race is not in any way in danger. Self determination for who? For yourself. No problem. It is not illegal to be a racist. You want to whine about society not liking you tough. You have no right to protection from that.
@MarkMuses If I'm wrong in my assertions then what does it mean to you to be a universal nationalist, because that's how Richard McCulloch puts it amongst other things. You can't claim a race and expect everyone else to follow your suit. Yes there are different races. SO? What does that have to do with anything. We are all STILL apart of the homonid subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. That's where I derive my human solidarity from. I don't think there is anthing wrong with interracial reproduction.
@Thayer79 My right to association is outlawed by anti-racist legislation. Restricting my options to either organise without choice or to be alone is to atomise my racial group.
I support your right to race mix but you don't have laws restricting you as I have. My freedom is outlawed and that is racial oppression. I don't see how anyone can support this but that is the reality of so called 'equality'.
Natural law in this for me means voluntary association must be immutable.
@MarkMuses WTF are you talking about. Specifically WHAT laws and in what way? What legislation forces you to associate with other races? You still aren't explaining exactly how your right is being trampled on. See this is where I get the idea that you're just making this up to justify your racism. BE SPECIFIC
@Thayer79 Where I live (UK), The Equality Act 2010 (and preceding legislation) makes it illegal for me to form any kind of organisation that overtly discriminates in favour of my own racial group or advances my groups interests. This outlaws my basic right to freedom of association and free speech based on racism being 'evil' but I don't buy that at all. It is just ANTI-WHITE.
Racism to me is simple natural aversion. To you it is hate. When a black man does it, it gets funded.
@MarkMuses Though I don't actually think it's anti-white. That's unfounded emotional BULLSHIT, I think it's a moronic knee jerk reaction to being PC. This idea that you don't have to like everyone, but you have to pretend to like them is people being PC. It not anti-white. I bet white people aren't the only race that can't do it. Even if there are some that do, I doubt all other races but white can too. Besides if that's true the challenge it. However that works in the UK.
@Thayer79 You post anti-white. Or rather you do until pressed over your principles. That's because you remind me of the libtard I was until about 7 years ago when my bubble burst and I realised that so called multiculturalism was far from benign.
@MarkMuses Now you're trying to justify your misconception of me. I haven't changed anything. I stand that race isn't the issue you make it out to be, but the law has no bearing on freedoms. You can be as deluded as you want to be and the government should have no say in it. That's what I stand by freedom, not your ideology. Don't mischaracterize me. i don't know what kind of multiculturalism you are facing, but what we have in the US is the same as it has always been. Meaning "Melting pot"
@Thayer79 You wrote "but what we have in the US is the same as it has always been. Meaning "Melting pot"".
You are ball bustingly hilarious! Your country was founded by Whites and all they was up until the 60s and mass immigration over 90% White. You think it is a static melting pot? Don't be so DAFT. Whites will be a minority for the FIRST time in just a few decades from now. The USA will be as fucked up as Brazil. Enjoy...
@MarkMuses Yes well. Eexcuse the "ALWAYS" bit. It was over sensationalised, and I've been drinking, but the point was that immigration served us extremely well. I have no problem with white being a minority. it might serve the bigoted bastards a piece of their own fucking pie. No. It's not a formerly static melting pto, but it still serves us today. We are still one of the greatest countries there are, but a lot of idiocy has infiltrated the US that has hurt our position in the world.
@Thayer79 Is that your way of saying America is in terminal decline? That's what I keep hearing. Your founding fathers would surely not recognise it from the original vision. You think 'bigotted' Whitey needs kicking into a becoming minority? Oh you pro-multicult fans will get that all right. Viva La Raza!!! de future is brown gringo!
@MarkMuses So the fuck what? You STILL haven't explained what is "BAD" about being brown. Your claim is STILL unfounded. I love latino girls. Very sexy. i married a native american/scottish girl because she is freaking smart, funny, and HOT, but also because she said yes. She's awesome, but not because she looks white. White means nothing to me more than Blonde does.
@MarkMuses But it wasn't Immigrants that changed it. it was the rich ass white bigoted motherfuckers that are corporatizing our nation. Trading one potential tyrant (the government) for another tyrant (corporations). Probelm is that the government is accountable to the citizens, whereas the corporations are NOT. Capitalism is a good thing, but corporatism can easily lead to fascism.
@Thayer79 Excuse me it isn't it the same globalist corporate motherfucker elite that's instructing governments to flood white countries with non-whites?
The Left do love to push their class hatred but it's the liberal socialists who are runnning the world and at the trough like the corrupt pigs they are. Neo-cons are as centre left as all the others.
Capitalists love cheep labour
Socialists want to genocide white people for their coffee coloured wet dream
@MarkMuses this is the worst nonsensical BS I've seen from you yet. Both sides of the two party system are bout by corporations thank to bad lobby reform. but the Neo Cons want the cheap labor for the corporations. They want to deny abortion, but cut programs to help mothers in need. The dems are typically spineless twerps that give into any conflict. It's the progressives in wither party that SHOULD rule the nation, but don't. WHO CARES ABOUT NON WHITES IN THE USA. Most of us DON"T! Seriously!
@MarkMuses Oh seriuosly. Get the fuck over yourself. Remember I live in America where we appreciate freedom of speech. That's the kind of shit I've been trying to get out of you. OF COURSE I disagree with that kind of legislation. Just like I did when the fucking UN tried to create hate speech laws. I think you're fucking deluded and and rediculous if you think one race is better than the other or the races should be seperate but DEFINITELY stand by your right to believe it and assemble under it
@Thayer79 Replying to your previous comments, you tell me to get the fuck over myself and at the same time acknowledge the very issues! Give me break will you? Nah, carry on as you are...
And what's all this superiority complex? Yeah, races are superior. Check it out; ON AVERAGE East Asians have higher IQs and Africans dominate in certain sports and some music genres. Yeah I'm a total white su-fucking-premacist. Whites are best at swimming, there, you got me :D
@MarkMuses Get the fuck over yourself. You are not the only race affected by it. It's not allabout you. that's what it looks like when you say a bullshit legislation, that affects races in general, is all about you. That's the point. it's not anti-white. You're playing victim, but want to keep the victimhood all to yourself. Get over yourself. Stand up for yourself and EVEN the races you don't like and I'll stand behind your initiative, but you stand up for yourself and no one else then....
@Thayer79 Stand up? What, and lose my job and be ostracised for saying nothing more than that every racial group INCLUDING white people has a right to their advocates? Yeah right, in your illusionary world of free speech that would be logical but back on planet Earth... get a grip. You know the score as well as anyone. White people are not afforded the same rules in practice.
@MarkMuses You got no leg to stand on properly. There are social mitigating factors in those things as well. Like how those don't show an ultimate superiority. So? It's a propensity to be better at SOMETHING. That doesn't mean any race is better than the others as a whole. Know the distinction. If not then why would you not want interracial marriages? Why would you not marry an Asian if you wanted a greater chance for your offspring to have a higher IQ, or an African woman for an athletic child?
@Thayer79 You are in such denial. I asserted "average" I even sodding capitalised it for you. I did not write "absolute". On average East Asians have a higher IQ than Whites. That is fact even when you control for environment.
Why would I not wish to marry an East Asian then? Buy Frank Salter's On Genetic Interests. He will nail it down for you in detail better than I could. Ah but you won't do that...nevermind then.
@MarkMuses Not denial. I'm in reality. Your odds are better if you marry an east asian than if you don't. that was the point. As for Salter. Don't cop-out on me present your own argument or at least give his. Of course I'm not gonna buy the books of all the people i disagree with. I'd be broke before I got far. You got a valid claim then make it. Otherwise don't try to discredit me by saying I won't buy things so I must be wrong. That's useless.
@Thayer79 Well I bought Jared Diamond's White hating Guns, Germs and Steel book. I bet you've been brainwashed by that. So yeah, you go and buy 1 okay? Just 1 book that doesn't flatter you opinions. Salter's is just my suggestion. And no I won't tell you why it is not in my genetic interests to marry an East Asian girl as a White guy. Work it out or buy a book that tells you.
@MarkMuses I actually haven't read GGS. I haven't seen a reason to buy it. I don't swallow whatever has been put in front of me. I look at the science and make a determination. I look to well grounded individuals for ideas on these kinds of things. just because everyone else has read it doesn' mean it's valid. The majority does not determine truth. No matter how hard they try. You make the argument or you're being incompetent. if it makes sense to you then make it make sense to me. If you can.
@MarkMuses I'm doing more research on his opinion past his findings, but this still doesn't address why we should consider it healthy and a good thing. We are not slaves to our instinct and the idea that racial homogeneous societies are more thriving is still wishful speculation. That is obvious when his conclusion about immigration don't actually follow. Should we be slaves to our genetics, especially when we now know better? The answer is still. No.
@MarkMuses in America the ethnies are fairly seperate still, because of racism, but there are other countries where that isn't the case. Even if it's natural does that mean we should embrace it? Should we be slaves to our genetics, especially when we now know better? No. That's the point. Don't sit there and over generalize my comment. I never said everything natural was bad. But there are things that we know we should do differently regardless of our genetic predisposition
@Thayer79 Which countries? I will be happy to comment. We have genetic diversity. You appear to be arguing that it should be lost. My position is if we are to accept the targeted destruction of indo-European (White) peoples for some 'higher' goal then those being "deleted" must be made fully aware and give their consent. To do so without their full knowledge and consent is genocide.
By making housing affordable in only certain areas, you create ghettos. One need only look at city planning demographic models to see how ghettoization occurs. As the government in the UK and the colonies are directly involved in municipal affairs; they are responsible. A huge clue is how highways and transit corridors are built. eg) lower class transit will never brush upper class residential.
The comment about the 'get up and goers' having 'got up and gone' is quite true.
If all the people who just want to get a job, have a family and live as part of a society just leave and go to a different country, all that's left is lazy people and extremist fanatics, creating a situation that breeds ever more lazy people and extreme fanatics, who then look at the rest of the world with jealously and hate, thus becoming even more extreme and fanatical.
I live in Bradford and it's interesting to hear what you have to say. Nobody can say anything about multiculturalism or defend Islam until that have experienced life in Bradford amongst Muslim people. That's all I'm saying.
Well then it's similar to YouTube in that respect. Although, as we all know, Muslims aren't a race. So what insult do they turn to next on their insult rolodex? Bigot. Of course calling Muslims out on their bullshit is far from bigoted, it's logical if you ask me. Sorry, went off on a tangent there...
better hope that france experiences a string of muslim violence enough to make the world news before theres too many of them in your country martin. france is the canary of eroupe it seems always being amoung the first to experience a comming plague. then anyone that tells us its a cultural thing when they cry "death to the west" might go .... wait a minute maybe they mean what they say.
Muslim apologists pretend that Muslims do not do such things, that these are myths propagated by bigoted nationalists. What they need is to test their theory and have a walk into these purposely segregated Muslim communities, get their teeth kicked in not once, because they will say "its only a few" let them repeat the cycle until they realize, holy shit, they really do hate me because I'm English and not Muslim.
@krissyeh I think that is a very reasonable thing to say. Australia needed to wake up to the fact that it wasn't fifty miles off Lizard Point, that it was close to Asia, but that doesn't mean it had to try to change its population to fit in. The big thing about being Australian is not the latitude, it's the attitude.
@MartinJWillett How dose your call for "urgent action" to stop islamic "ghettoes" from forming areas of segregation in this country fit in with your claim to defend freedom of speech and a citizens right to be free to live with the protection of the law in ANY AREA THEY CHOOSE ? if MUSLIMS CHOOSE to live where other MUSLIMS live how do you propose to stop them without removing their right to live freely like any other citizen ? pass a law to FORCE THEM TO SEGREGATE ? ?
@hawkiethenew Look at Kosovo. The Albanians moved in on Serb territory and made it it's own over the years. Because noone choose to do anything about it, the issue grew and led to war.
@Pseudologic When are you going to tell me something that I DONT KNOW ? you really have got no idea whats going on hear have you, I agree with that earlier comment, YOU REALLY ARE FUNNY.
@hawkiethenew - The problem with the muslims is the same as we are experiencing with christians. Prayer in schools? Hell yeah! As long as it's the prayer of my particular dogma! Religious laws? Hell yeah! Oh, as long as they don't conflict with my particular dogma. Of course, if you denounce my particular dogma, then you're a racist bigot who hates me! Never mind I'm trying to have my delusions coded in to law and forced upon YOU, never mind!
@LeksServices I dont need anyone to tell me about the affects of living in ethnic ghettos because I became the VICTIM of one, I post comments on hear to highlight the absurdity of LIBERAL THINKING as portrayed by people like MARTIN J WILLETT, for decades people like me who have been objecting to what has been allowed to happen have been dismissed by LIBERALS as ignorant bigots, now it is starting to affect THEM, they say, "HUM" I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM HEAR. I BETTER WARN PEOPLE.
I have a lot of personal friends from all different origins/walks of life etc. These people are 2nd or 3rd generation Australians and do consider themselves Australians before anything else. But ever since 1973 there have been way to many that will not even try to integrate into the Australian society, all they want is their own communities and that is it. You only have to look at what has happened to Lakemba, which is now just a Muslim suburb of Sydney.......................
cont.... This is a fact, they call themselves Muslims first, then what ever country they have come from and lastly Australians and it is happening in every major city in Australia. They just don't have any intention to mix.
There is just way to much to say here about this subject so this is going to be a future video on the pros and cons of multiculturalism in Australia.
@Pseudologic It is a scientific fact that our species is racist and racist attitudes exist innately in all of us, but not everybody sees that as something to celebrate and some believe that they will never get laid unless they are seen to attack anybody who isn't frothing at the mouth trying to kill racists. I find it quite pathetic.
The idea that anybody who says they are not a racist and then says anything else at all has proven themselves to be a racist doesn't belong in adult conversation.
@MartinJWillett Bigotry is innate, but part of being a human being is being able to control bigotry and not let it make decisions for you. And yes, racism is overused and often misused, but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of almost every discussion I've had about the dangers of Islam, it transpired that people just didn't like the "damn sandn***ers." And they invariably started out as "Islam isn't a race."
Sad its going on there, i spoke to some brits in singapore they say its no longer the same. They want to migrate to australia. Look at the kemalists fighting tooth an nail to keep their country free from islamists. "the cold english queen, in the mirrior looking. The valois of france sleeping in mass. The last knight of europe takes weapons from the wall. don john of austria is going to war." perharps this last knight of europe in modern day is none other then Geert wilders.
@000whiterabbit Are you integrating with the locals, respecting and adopting their values or living in linguistic and cultural isolation feeling morally superior to them?
Good point. Unfortunately, there are English who have lived in Spain for 20 years without bothering to learn the language. Just hang out with English and you can be sure they think they're one up on the locals!
@FedupwithR I think the difference is, the English don't try to get Spanish citizenships. If you have a problem with foreigners buying real estate in your country, you need to take it up with your government.
Why assume that I'm Spanish? I am not nor do I live in Spain! True the English are not asking for citizenship but like any expat community they tend create little England wherever they go.
@FedupwithR Well you obviously do, if you raise the question of "foreigners" living in countries for 20 years without bothering to learn the language. Why else would you make that comment?
I don't "obviously" at all given that I am both a foreigner and house owner!. I am in favor of integration. Of learning the language. Of reading the literature, studying the culture. So I am as against Brits not bothering to speak a language as I am against Muslims refusing to wear Western clothes.
This video and my response to Martin Willett concerns immigration not colonialism. It is always easier to speak one's own language and culinary habits are also difficult for many to break, so it's not surprising that foreigners tend to hang out together or set up their own shops. I personally greatly appreciate Paris for that reason. I can go shopping for Chinese paintbrushes in the Chinese quarter or join their Chinese New Year festivities and eat Chinese foods.
No doubt that many people make all sorts of reasons to justify their racism against Arabs. I don't like religious uniforms or the creamy pieces of shit that is Wahhabists, but what I also don't like associating myself with the creamy piles of cowshit that EDL and BNP are. I'm not sure about you, but it seems a lot of people are willing to give retards in their own culture a break.
@Pseudologic There are plenty of people I don't agree with that I don't feel the need to be seen insulting all the time. It strikes me as extremely childish to go out of your way to attack people and insult their intelligence and integrity just because you don't agree with them.
@MartinJWillett When I spoke about racists, I didn't mean you in particular. I think you're very sensible and very good looking. Let's shake on it. :)
@Pseudologic - I'm confused. A muslim is a believer in islam. A muslim is an islamist. It's like saying "I'm anti-christianity, but being anti-christian is racist!" Then you go on to claim that "christians {muslims} are a race." I don't buy it. "Muslim" is a belief system. "Christian" is a belief system. It's possible to hate stupid belief systems. I consider both to be "dogma." Yes, I've gotten in to arguments about the differences between dogma and religion. I don't see any.
@Pseudologic I think the prevailing philosophy being - yeah, they are retards, but they are your retards. What happens when your own retards and culture is swallowed up and your left with somebody elses retards who have zero connection to you?
@knightd00b I don't think we should tolerate any retards, because, while you feel the cultural connection to your retards, they don't feel one to you. History if full of examples of retards turning on their own people.
@Pseudologic Please don’t confuse race and religion. It's perfectly sensible to be anti sharia/islam in the same way it is to be anti fascist or communist. No racial issues involved.
@FLUSEM666 I was talking about racism against Arabs. You can be anti-Islam and I am, but most of you choose to be anti-Muslim, which I think is stupid.
Goog vlog Martin.
Truth be said, few of the immigrants waves were result of conscious or deliberated policies, but results of what-ever-the-wind-blew-in through the widely opened doors and windows.The "open doors" was the disease and immigration as it was conducted the symptom.
With no criteria and no goals, but even worse used as psychological comfort to multiculturalists ideological gymnastics,the problematic outcome is no surprise.
Its past five for damage control, but better late than never.
AmetReloads 9 months ago
@MarkMuses Quite likely I will, I am still waiting for a single meaningful answer.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Explain what genocide means in this context and again explain why it is a bad thing and who it is a bad thing for. Giving something a different label is not explaining anything. If I go to the doctor and say I've got stomach ache and she says I've got gastritis all she's done is translate my symptoms into Latin. You need to explain what the problem is, who perceives it as a problem and why they may see it as a problem, not merely toss out a new label for the same phenomenon.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MarkMuses I take it that you don't have a cogent answer to explain why mixing races is a tragedy.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
If your wife is mixed race then I should add that Salter also touches on genetic interests from a mixed race perspective seeing as I've been going on about his book.
You ask what's bad about brown people? Nothing when they are not being flooded into white countries and only white countries to genocide my race and fill the pockets of elite traitors in cheap labour ultimately leaving no homeland for white people while Asia remains for the Asians and Africa for the Africans. Kind of stinks...
MarkMuses 10 months ago 2
@MarkMuses I don't know where you got the idea my wife is mixed race from.
Britain is no longer a white-only country. I don't have any problem with that. It is the culture that matters. Racial purity is of no value to anybody, what matters is the culture. I want to live in a country full of my culture, not one which celebrates every other culture ahead of my own. If I want to experience another culture I know where the airport is.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago 3
@MartinJWillett When you write "i married a native american/scottish girl", that sounds mixed-race to me.
I agree with your views on culture, except you seem to think culture is independent of race whereas I recognise them as symbiotically linked. The character of every country reflects its racial make up.
Sadly thanks to your obsession with destroying your own race there will be very few white countries left by the end of the century. Too late to say "oops" then.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses If I had written that then you would have made a reasonable deduction. I didn't.
How exactly does being a mixed race country become a tragedy, and who notices? Can you point to a country which used to be racially pure and whose mixed race inhabitants now hate themselves?
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Your question is loaded.
If you asked "how is it a tragedy that a country founded by one racial people becomes a country of many racial peoples?"
My answer would be that if the founding people had been asked if they wanted this and had said "yes" then it would at least be ethical.
However that isn't how it happened. Instead White people have been singled out and bullied into submission. What is more this has happened in White countries and ONLY White countries. It's genocide.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Utter crap. There is no more a plan to turn white countries brown than there is a plan to add nitrates to drinking water, increase the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere or make former steel towns quieter places with more affordable housing. Just because something happens it does not follow that somebody rich, powerful, optionally Jewish and blameworthy planned it directly for their own sinister purposes.
Answer my loaded question.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett There is a stark difference that you have omitted.
If I objected to any of your examples in my community would I be demonised, ostracised, possibly lose my job or even incarcerated? No I would not.
Racialism is the only one-time-debatable topic now aggressively oppressed, which clearly facilitates the global dispossession of Indo-European peoples and no other racial group.
Explain this in comparison to your spurious examples as a supposedly undirected phenomena then.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses I am still waiting for an answer. Don't waste my time and then ignore me.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett You wrote "How exactly does being a mixed race country become a tragedy" I objected to the premise as already stated because your question omits the vast majority of the time the country has been homogeneous. My country was NOT founded as a mixed-race one.
If you want to ask what my objections are to mixed-race countries then ask it - unloaded.
I also expect a response to the challenge in my last comment. Make this two-way pal or you are trying to interrogate me. Up to you.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses It is a simple question and I would appreciate an answer to it.
People who are my friend never call me mate, pal or Bro, only people who aren't my friend do that. 500 characters is a small limit, don't waste characters on barbed insincerity.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett You are trivialising my replies. If you are so conceited that you will not debate, then you will learn nothing from me, nor I from you.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Do you want to answer or would you prefer me to think of me imagining that you have a better argument than you could ever manage to articulate? You have offered nothing of any substance so far.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Ah, apols re: your wife. I replied to you instead of Thayer79 on that by the looks.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett In that case, what if the majority of the population want to develop a culture that differs from the version you want, are you saying that your version must override what the majority want ? but then again, as you say, you know where the airport is.
hawkiethenew 10 months ago
Thank G...
Anyway. It's nice that you noticed that. Here, at the outskirts of the Union we are starting to feel the effects of the brain drain in the medical field. Specialized surgeons are fleeing like rats. And they aren't the only ones. I assume it's worst in the countries you are worried about.
Blackthorn2323 10 months ago
The problem with Islam is not their doctrine its their actions. like Harris said you dont see Amish blowing people up. i will go a step further even quack religions are less violent than Islam. NOI is extremely racists and filled with hatred yet you don't see them blowing up cars in the name of Farrakhan. I have no problems with religion even hateful religions. but when muslims tell you they hate you. and provide proof by killing innocent people i think its very important you indeed wake
tynitty516 10 months ago
Muslims prefer ghettos. It makes them fell as if they have never left the middle east.
bucksmasher1 10 months ago 8
Wow, great vid!
foreskinforest 10 months ago
You know the example of the frog in the kettle of heating water.. I just wonder if it's too late yet to jump out of the water, or perhaps we're too late already.
sogghartha 10 months ago
"doing nothing in politics" has consequences too, in the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,former Yugoslavia and especially important for the future in Iran.
MexxPowers 10 months ago
Hey i like pussy of ALL colours! (except green!) I dont give a rats arse for the men or some1 Else's religion. Leave it @ the door.
Exotic pussy can stay!
DMSProduktions 10 months ago
The split brain hemisphere experiments sounded fascinating.
oliverscott2007 10 months ago
@zweezey Distrust of people who appear to belong to another race exists in every subject that has been tested for it, regardless of how many anti-racist demos they have been on. Denying human nature is not a good start in any policy making process, although the left do it all the fucking time.
A tendency towards mild xenophobia is normal, as in far more widespread than homosexuality or left-handedness. We must adapt in the light of this knowledge.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
I agree with the op but first we would need a government that is not spineless and willing to pull out of the EU which is unlikley. Is it not the case that we are tied by treaty to have a open door policy on european imigration?
We spend far too little on training our own labour force to the detrement of our economy imo
bogart99 10 months ago
@bogart99 It seems that pulling out of the EU would be required.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
Self-segregation is natural. This culture-based causal crap is just more leftist slight of hand. Homogeneous societies give more, care more. Heterogeneous societies give less. Unmolested, we serve our genetic interests - not the false god of Marxist ANTI-WHITE dogma.
It's time we busted the very language the left has taken control over.
Racism is natural healthy AVERSON not 'hate'. It only becomes HATE when a people is displaced in its native land without its consent and by aggressive coercion
MarkMuses 10 months ago 5
@MarkMuses Exactly. We have a built-in prejudice against people who look different, it isn't hatred it is caution, it is a lot easier to hate people of a different race but hatred is NOT built-in, it requires triggering. I have a hypothesis that the fear of clowns is widespread because clowns appear to a child's brain like members of a rival tribe/race/species, which makes the child very cautious and prepared to act on the slightest confirmation that clowns represent a threat.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Now the real question is... Is this inborn natural predjudice justified on all accounts? Is it reasonable and logical to distrust someone for no other reason, but their looks? How is it healthy to create division and an inablility to cooperate with each other within a society? Homogeneity and heterogeneity societies are not strictly a racial standard. To be homogeneous is to be uniformed. That can just as easily be a mixture of cultures and races, but uniform in societal ideology
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 It is completely sensible. It is the same with snakes. Monkeys that haven't ever seen a snake are not scared, but it only takes seeing one other monkey to show fear of snakes for the full-force built-in fear to engage (including fear of ropes and hose-pipes). This is exactly what our species needs, racism is not the default, but if there is a stimulus it should be a lesson we learn quickly and thoroughly, our whole tribe's survival could depend upon it.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Except the difference is that we arent just skating through life on our instincts. We can use logic and reason to decide what individuals are a threat and not use predjudices to get by in life. What you've said sounds a lot like someone that is intellectually lazy and doesn't want to take the time to analyze those they involve themselves with or it's a pathetic excuse to be racist Not to mention the ones we are judging aren't an instinctual threat anymore now that they can reason
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 If we don't understand our instincts we can never understand our actions. The sin model is useless. We need to understand why we behave the way we do, "because we're bad" doesn't help at all.
Understanding that we are all pre-programmed to be racist if stimulated helps us enormously, it shows we cannot be complacent, the assumption that racism is learnt is WRONG, it is not learned over time with multiple reinforcement from bad parenting, it is merely triggered. Great care is needed.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett I agree. Though I'm not sold on racism being completely instinctual. I think nurture reinforcement plays a big role on whether or not it actually affects our thinking and action, but even if it were true, that doesn't make it Healthy. Understanding things better is good in learning how to get past it. It doesn't mean we should embrace it to understand it better. It's an archaic and antiquated stance to have, instinct or not.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 It has been proven (at least to the satisfaction of R Dawkins) that everybody finds it harder to associate positive values to people of other races.
Of course I am not suggesting that this is healthy in our current environment, any more than our appetite for sugar, salt and fat is healthy, but pretending that our nature is different never helps, although it seems to be standard operating procedure for the left.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Well. I'm American and there is no left and right difference on the race issue, except for the right silently embracing their racism more. But I don't attribute myself with really either party. I'm progressive, and our immigration state is what it is and no amount of what it ought to be will change it now. Though I am for a stronger more realistic immigration reform. I don't mind immigrants in the US I think it's slightly hypocritical to stop it, but it needs to be sustainable.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Hypocritical? What utter nonsense. There were times when immigration served the needs of most Americans, it is not hypocritical now to decide that times have changed, no matter what proportion of your people are descended from immigrants of the past. It is no more hypocritical than changing an interest rate or tax policy which used to suit your people's needs and now doesn't.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett If I speak about how great our nation is because of immigration and yet think immigration is a bad thing because of xenophobia then YES it is hypocritical, but wouldn't be if it became necessary due to unsustainability. If there was a legitimate reason to close our borders. The thing is we aren't in danger of unsustainability. Our economy woes and other issues have nothing to do with immigration, except the bigotry of nationalist idiots.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 If something once served the national need and now doesn't why not end it? What is hypocritical about recognizing changed circumstances? At one time immigrants gave up their former connections, their families mourned them as if they had died, and they embraced the new culture they were entering. That is not the immigration story today.
Are you in contact with any pre-migration relatives in Europe? Third world migrants today are different, the game has changed.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett It's hypocritical to want to stop immigration for the sole reason of xenophobia. There has to be a real and legitamite reason for not wanting other people into the nation. Like my stated reason of unsustainability. Otherwise it's unfounded bigotry.
Exactly how has the "game" changed? Specifically.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You answer my question first.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Exactly what time frame are you talking about? If you mean do I have any family in Europe then I'd say yes, but I;m not in contact with them. I was adopted and my relatives in Germany are unknown to me. May even be dead by now.
If not, then why ask a rhetorical question and then expect an answer before answering my legitimite one?
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 The point about the question is that most European migrants to the USA had virtually no further contact with their families back home. They left to become Americans, not to live as Germans in America. As time has moved on the extent of the severing of ties has changed completely. Today's migrants are in constant contact with home and they make negligible efforts to fit in. Migration isn't about adopting a new culture any longer, it is just about an easier and richer life.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett You see this is good. I like the exchange, because this is where I both agree with you and disagree with you. OF COURSE I agree with you on integration. Yes if you are going to come to another country you should immerse yourself and integrate. You can keep your culture ideas and practices just don't try to force them on us. BUUUUUUT I don't think you can generalize all immigrants with those that don't integrate. It's a baseless predjudice. I haven't seen where it is the norm.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 I refer you to my answer comparing migration to gender realignment surgery. There is no obligation on any country to take in immigrants. None at all. However some of the greatest patriots you ever come across are migrants, those who really want to throw themselves into the project 100% should be welcome, the rest should be told to try somewhere else that doesn't care about having a future or a coherent society.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Dammit! I still disagree. I think stricter immigration standards, definitely, but you can't expect immigrant to be more productive than the citizens themselves. Did you know that most immigrant to the US are more knowledgable than the damned ignorant Americans that actually live there? It's pathetic. Kind of like Atheists knowing more about the holy books than the religious do. I think you, at that point, are setting up a hypocritical standard.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Disagree, that's your right.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Fair enough.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Though I will give you that there are muslim clerics that are putting out orders for muslim immigrants to NOT integrate and that should be a red flag for ANY leader. It should only affect the immigrant though if they prove to be refusing to integrate. I can't imagine living in Germany and EXPECTING the german culture to change to fit my standards. I live in Germany right now, not a citizen, I don't expect any kind of accomodation from them to make the silly American comfortable.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett - I believe we should consider all people who are here simply citizens. It does not matter to me how they got here or how long they've been here. We have better things to spend our money on then sending them back out of the country. Furthermore, this would remove the incentive the wealthy often have for bringing them in. If they're automatically citizens, then they're automatically eligible for such things as minimum wage and benefits for full time work.
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices Who said anything about sending them away? I suggest helping them to leave if they don't feel they belong here and want to go.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Besides if the evidence shows that racism is inherent in our genes, then I won't deny it anymore than any other theory backed by evidence, but I won't embrace it just because it's there. I personally don't feel inherently racist though. I've never had a problem with other cultures or races. I don't see skin color as any different than eye or hair color. Nothing to me make someone specifically different to me just by looking at them. I don't see them as outside my "tribe."
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Lots of people (such as myself) don't feel racist in any way, but to deny evidence that we are all slightly racist just because we don't want to believe it is not rational. The evidence shows that everybody ever tested shows some bias, there is a real and ineradicable basis for racist attitudes. That doesn't mean we should embrace racism, it is not rational behaviour in the modern world.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Then we agree. I guess I misread your response, where you seemed to agree with the commentor MarkMuses when they said "Racism is natural healthy AVERSON..."
They also grossly misrepresented Homogeneity and Heterogeneity. I've also seen it on other websites as well to PROMOTE racist nationalism.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Though I do think that immigration shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to being PC. I am for legal immigration, but only when it's sustainable. Nobody should be required to take in immigrants, because they are there, but at the same time nations shouldn't just close their borders out of xenophobia. I think that if it were to happen, it should ONLY happen with the intention of waiting until a realistic comprehensive immigration standard is created.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Migration should be like gender re-allocation surgery: only indicated when somebody really has clearly been born in the wrong country for the values and aspirations they hold.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Also, NEVER accept food froma a clown!
It tastes funny!
DMSProduktions 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Just because something is natural doesn't mean it is justified and should be considered good. We have a lot of base nmatural instincts that are natural but that doesn't mean we should follow them all. Homogeneity and heterogeneity has been misused over and over again. A homogeneous society is often mischaracterized as consisting of only one race. A homgeneous society can include many different cultures or races, but the society is homogeneous on principles and ideology.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Sorry, but I disagree completely. My evidence is Frank Salter's On Genetic Interests. What is your evidence to the contrary? Homogeneity is what it says on the tin, in my opinion. Anything else is a distortion.
What is natural is not 'bad'. All emotions must be expressed, preferably positively. Anger for example is natural and can be both good and bad - Ying and Yang. I oppose social engineering that attempts to denude us of our humanity. I am an intelligent ANIMAL and happy to be so.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses It predates his work. It's a general term used in physics and statistics. It refers to things being uniform composition or character. he may havew used it in reference to race, but it does not belong to race alone.
The second thing is that you are in a sense quote mining him. Like many others looking to have an excuse for racism. The ethny as Salter puts it deals with race, ethnic group, or NATION. Which can consist of multiple races.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Anyone can look up the word "homogeneous" and judge the context I used for themselves.
Your second para is committing projection by attempting to invalidate my argument based on perceived motive rather than actual content. Salter recognises race within which ethnicities reside. Racial structure is nested. I am quoting him in context.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Wow. You're right. I've misread his findings. His standards are asinine from the quotes I've seen of him. If large numbers of immigrant mexicans essentially take from programs they didn't contribute to then that is a illegal immigration problem, because if they were legal immigrants than they would be contributing to the system they use and typically wouldn't be on those programs to begin with. He may have found genetic disposition for racism, but his political standces don't follow.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Frank Salter's book impressed me. He advocates a universal nationalism that leaves behind the national socialism of Hitler and international socialism of Marx. I believe that all nations once freed of 'socialism' can embrace pragmatism and international altruism under genuine democracy.
Mutli-racialism is a failure. We are biologically different, indeed superior and inferior as groups in different pursuits. Ultimate humanitarianism recognises this real diversity. No 'hate' required.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses So that's what it boils down to. You're a nationalist racialist? How do you even remotely think that dividing a world up into distinct groups and preventing certain types of interraction would inspire ANY kind of altruism? How do you justify superiority of one group or another? Even if we are genetically predisposed to be racist, what in that shows that we better or worse? If I'm reading Salter right he's a crackpot that had a good discovery and then used his findings for bigotry.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses In fact I have yet to find anything he's done that is peer reviewed and of ANY significance. I'm still trying to find where his genetic finds are even peer reviewed. You keep using hate like I'm assuming you are hating. I'm not. I think you are just a racist and found a way to justify it, or so you think, and are comfortable with it. No hate needed. You find yoursellf superior.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Except if Salter's findings are real then you can't guarantee that you are on the superior side. Maybe your genes are too different to warrant staying in the UK and are asked to leave as well. What then? Would you change your mind? Or do you feel secure becaue you are in the majority. This is typical of racists. They are only for expulsion as long as it isn't their race that is expelled. You haven't made a case for anything and neither has Salter. Your source is lacking credibility
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You have suddenly come out with a very high frequency of standard anti-white memes and clearly not debating. One technique anti-whites use is to blitz with rhetorical questions. I will not put up with that.
So, you are anti-white right? Okay then I am not dealing with a correspondent, but an indoctrinated mouthpiece.
Salter's book is multi-disciplinary and well received. If you are so blind as to discount it because it trips your learned response to race realism that's your problem
MarkMuses 10 months ago 2
@MarkMuses Hey look, the clown is still claiming white anti racists people are anti themselves. What an utterly ridiculous moron.
bunnyspangle 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Tell me. how is a white man anti-white? How did you determine I was a brainwashed mouthpiece? If it's because I disagreed with you then you're just trying to staunch dissent to your ideology.
As for Salter's work. He has been well recieved by racialists and racists. I have yet to find anything in support of his findings within scientific studies. Show me a peer reviewed paper and I might consider giving him credit, but as for his political OPINIONs all I see are unfounded assumptions
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Why could a white man not be anti-white? Does the concept of "traitor" confuse you?
For Salter. look him up on Wikipedia or wherever you like to review his qualifications. I think he can withstand the usual character assassination anti-Whites manufacture. You guys even tried to crucify James Watson the co-discover of DNA itself and Nobel Prize winner for it. So I have no respect for anti-whites any longer.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Your senseless diatribe has no bases in fact and therefore is useless. I'm a traitor because of my human solidarity and not bigotry? I, if it were true, refuse to be a slave to my genetics, when I know that, no matter what my genes tell me, it's morraly corrupt to prejudge others based on their appearance? You are a traitor to civilization if anything. A Gene Dog
As for Salter. It doesn't matter what his credentials are if he doesn't actually produyce anything worth citing.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 "Bigotry" that's another favourite ad hominem. A "gene slave" sounds ridiculous. Go tell a polar bear it must mate with a brown bear or be called a "gene slave". When not bullied by anti-whites most people naturally self-segregate. Who the hell are you to pathologise nature?
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses It's not an ad hominem just a statement of fact. I didn't use it as an reason that your argument was invalid so it's not an ad hominem. Especially since you didn't actually make an argument. That's why my actually comment was that your conclusions were unsubstantiated. They have no valid bases.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses How old are you? I'd swear you were a thirteen year old with that kind of logic. A polar bear has no ability to make moral choices. They are ruled by instinct, and cannot do anything different. Humans on the other hand are sentient animals. It's one of the many things that sets us apart from other animals. It's also natural to kill the competition from other "ethnies." Yet we don't. Because we have the capacity to empathize. It's one of the bases for our morality. Maybe yours broke.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You think being human divorces us from our biology? Are you insane? What are you trying to do? Turn humanity into the Borg? You think you have science and morality. You have neither. You dismiss academics so as not to even have to read their arguments. You deny one whole group its identity while all others must be revered. You are morally and factually bankrupt.
Go and spin me Lewontin's Fallacy. You know you want to...
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses No being sentient and empathetic allows us to overcome our base instincts to allow for a more cohesive social structure. Even if racial homogeneity allowed for more charitable interractions between humans, we have the ability to act differently and become more charitable to all races. Seeing flaws in our genetic predisposition allows us to act beyond it. Much like we do with people that have a genetic predisposition to certain diseases.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Your persistant assertions about me are inane at best. It shows that you are grasping at anything you can and trying to force me to slip up or something. Why would I have a proplem with racial distinctions in genes? It doesn't make one superior and one inferior. We're still all apart of the same subspecies Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Even if there is a genetic distinction between the races. It doesn't show that we need to stay within our own genes. Your case is still unfounded.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Let's be clear. I am not trying to tell you who you can associate with or deny your right to self determination.
But you are and your creed want me to be bullied by illegitimate laws against these most basic rights. I am the dissident. YOU are the oppressor. You post ANTI-WHITE. Now go on, let's have Lewontin's Fallacy. Every anti-white spews it out at some point.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses You have an unstated position. You haven't even shown HOW you are supposedly being oppressed. What basic rights are you talking about? What laws are oppressing you?No one is forcing you to do anything. You have a serious victim mentality.
It's obvious you don't understand Lewontin's Fallacy, because in just the last post I told you how I don't disagree that race can be defined by genetics. I said SO WHAT. It doesn't support you idea of nationalist racialism.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Unstated? Certainly not. I stated my support for universal nationalism 3 pages ago and made clear the distinction from socialism of which both left and right forms have cost millions of lives.
You are oppressing me. Stop it. Haha. See how it goes? I'm learning all the bullshit anti-whites play out and flipping it. Did you just oppress me again? Stop it. Hehe...
See my previous comment for the rights you trample on. Did you just say race exist by the way?
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses You are still grasping. You have a right to not associate with anyone. You can go live in a cave and not associate with anyone. Your and my rights ALWAYS end where someone else's begins. That's the way it is and should be. Your choice to NOT reproduce outside of your race is not in any way in danger. Self determination for who? For yourself. No problem. It is not illegal to be a racist. You want to whine about society not liking you tough. You have no right to protection from that.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses If I'm wrong in my assertions then what does it mean to you to be a universal nationalist, because that's how Richard McCulloch puts it amongst other things. You can't claim a race and expect everyone else to follow your suit. Yes there are different races. SO? What does that have to do with anything. We are all STILL apart of the homonid subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. That's where I derive my human solidarity from. I don't think there is anthing wrong with interracial reproduction.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 My right to association is outlawed by anti-racist legislation. Restricting my options to either organise without choice or to be alone is to atomise my racial group.
I support your right to race mix but you don't have laws restricting you as I have. My freedom is outlawed and that is racial oppression. I don't see how anyone can support this but that is the reality of so called 'equality'.
Natural law in this for me means voluntary association must be immutable.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses WTF are you talking about. Specifically WHAT laws and in what way? What legislation forces you to associate with other races? You still aren't explaining exactly how your right is being trampled on. See this is where I get the idea that you're just making this up to justify your racism. BE SPECIFIC
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Where I live (UK), The Equality Act 2010 (and preceding legislation) makes it illegal for me to form any kind of organisation that overtly discriminates in favour of my own racial group or advances my groups interests. This outlaws my basic right to freedom of association and free speech based on racism being 'evil' but I don't buy that at all. It is just ANTI-WHITE.
Racism to me is simple natural aversion. To you it is hate. When a black man does it, it gets funded.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Though I don't actually think it's anti-white. That's unfounded emotional BULLSHIT, I think it's a moronic knee jerk reaction to being PC. This idea that you don't have to like everyone, but you have to pretend to like them is people being PC. It not anti-white. I bet white people aren't the only race that can't do it. Even if there are some that do, I doubt all other races but white can too. Besides if that's true the challenge it. However that works in the UK.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You post anti-white. Or rather you do until pressed over your principles. That's because you remind me of the libtard I was until about 7 years ago when my bubble burst and I realised that so called multiculturalism was far from benign.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Now you're trying to justify your misconception of me. I haven't changed anything. I stand that race isn't the issue you make it out to be, but the law has no bearing on freedoms. You can be as deluded as you want to be and the government should have no say in it. That's what I stand by freedom, not your ideology. Don't mischaracterize me. i don't know what kind of multiculturalism you are facing, but what we have in the US is the same as it has always been. Meaning "Melting pot"
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You wrote "but what we have in the US is the same as it has always been. Meaning "Melting pot"".
You are ball bustingly hilarious! Your country was founded by Whites and all they was up until the 60s and mass immigration over 90% White. You think it is a static melting pot? Don't be so DAFT. Whites will be a minority for the FIRST time in just a few decades from now. The USA will be as fucked up as Brazil. Enjoy...
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Yes well. Eexcuse the "ALWAYS" bit. It was over sensationalised, and I've been drinking, but the point was that immigration served us extremely well. I have no problem with white being a minority. it might serve the bigoted bastards a piece of their own fucking pie. No. It's not a formerly static melting pto, but it still serves us today. We are still one of the greatest countries there are, but a lot of idiocy has infiltrated the US that has hurt our position in the world.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Is that your way of saying America is in terminal decline? That's what I keep hearing. Your founding fathers would surely not recognise it from the original vision. You think 'bigotted' Whitey needs kicking into a becoming minority? Oh you pro-multicult fans will get that all right. Viva La Raza!!! de future is brown gringo!
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses So the fuck what? You STILL haven't explained what is "BAD" about being brown. Your claim is STILL unfounded. I love latino girls. Very sexy. i married a native american/scottish girl because she is freaking smart, funny, and HOT, but also because she said yes. She's awesome, but not because she looks white. White means nothing to me more than Blonde does.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses But it wasn't Immigrants that changed it. it was the rich ass white bigoted motherfuckers that are corporatizing our nation. Trading one potential tyrant (the government) for another tyrant (corporations). Probelm is that the government is accountable to the citizens, whereas the corporations are NOT. Capitalism is a good thing, but corporatism can easily lead to fascism.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Excuse me it isn't it the same globalist corporate motherfucker elite that's instructing governments to flood white countries with non-whites?
The Left do love to push their class hatred but it's the liberal socialists who are runnning the world and at the trough like the corrupt pigs they are. Neo-cons are as centre left as all the others.
Capitalists love cheep labour
Socialists want to genocide white people for their coffee coloured wet dream
A potent marriage of convenience
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses this is the worst nonsensical BS I've seen from you yet. Both sides of the two party system are bout by corporations thank to bad lobby reform. but the Neo Cons want the cheap labor for the corporations. They want to deny abortion, but cut programs to help mothers in need. The dems are typically spineless twerps that give into any conflict. It's the progressives in wither party that SHOULD rule the nation, but don't. WHO CARES ABOUT NON WHITES IN THE USA. Most of us DON"T! Seriously!
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Oh seriuosly. Get the fuck over yourself. Remember I live in America where we appreciate freedom of speech. That's the kind of shit I've been trying to get out of you. OF COURSE I disagree with that kind of legislation. Just like I did when the fucking UN tried to create hate speech laws. I think you're fucking deluded and and rediculous if you think one race is better than the other or the races should be seperate but DEFINITELY stand by your right to believe it and assemble under it
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Replying to your previous comments, you tell me to get the fuck over myself and at the same time acknowledge the very issues! Give me break will you? Nah, carry on as you are...
And what's all this superiority complex? Yeah, races are superior. Check it out; ON AVERAGE East Asians have higher IQs and Africans dominate in certain sports and some music genres. Yeah I'm a total white su-fucking-premacist. Whites are best at swimming, there, you got me :D
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Get the fuck over yourself. You are not the only race affected by it. It's not allabout you. that's what it looks like when you say a bullshit legislation, that affects races in general, is all about you. That's the point. it's not anti-white. You're playing victim, but want to keep the victimhood all to yourself. Get over yourself. Stand up for yourself and EVEN the races you don't like and I'll stand behind your initiative, but you stand up for yourself and no one else then....
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Stand up? What, and lose my job and be ostracised for saying nothing more than that every racial group INCLUDING white people has a right to their advocates? Yeah right, in your illusionary world of free speech that would be logical but back on planet Earth... get a grip. You know the score as well as anyone. White people are not afforded the same rules in practice.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses You got no leg to stand on properly. There are social mitigating factors in those things as well. Like how those don't show an ultimate superiority. So? It's a propensity to be better at SOMETHING. That doesn't mean any race is better than the others as a whole. Know the distinction. If not then why would you not want interracial marriages? Why would you not marry an Asian if you wanted a greater chance for your offspring to have a higher IQ, or an African woman for an athletic child?
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 You are in such denial. I asserted "average" I even sodding capitalised it for you. I did not write "absolute". On average East Asians have a higher IQ than Whites. That is fact even when you control for environment.
Why would I not wish to marry an East Asian then? Buy Frank Salter's On Genetic Interests. He will nail it down for you in detail better than I could. Ah but you won't do that...nevermind then.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses Not denial. I'm in reality. Your odds are better if you marry an east asian than if you don't. that was the point. As for Salter. Don't cop-out on me present your own argument or at least give his. Of course I'm not gonna buy the books of all the people i disagree with. I'd be broke before I got far. You got a valid claim then make it. Otherwise don't try to discredit me by saying I won't buy things so I must be wrong. That's useless.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Well I bought Jared Diamond's White hating Guns, Germs and Steel book. I bet you've been brainwashed by that. So yeah, you go and buy 1 okay? Just 1 book that doesn't flatter you opinions. Salter's is just my suggestion. And no I won't tell you why it is not in my genetic interests to marry an East Asian girl as a White guy. Work it out or buy a book that tells you.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
@MarkMuses I actually haven't read GGS. I haven't seen a reason to buy it. I don't swallow whatever has been put in front of me. I look at the science and make a determination. I look to well grounded individuals for ideas on these kinds of things. just because everyone else has read it doesn' mean it's valid. The majority does not determine truth. No matter how hard they try. You make the argument or you're being incompetent. if it makes sense to you then make it make sense to me. If you can.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses I'm doing more research on his opinion past his findings, but this still doesn't address why we should consider it healthy and a good thing. We are not slaves to our instinct and the idea that racial homogeneous societies are more thriving is still wishful speculation. That is obvious when his conclusion about immigration don't actually follow. Should we be slaves to our genetics, especially when we now know better? The answer is still. No.
Thayer79 10 months ago
@MarkMuses in America the ethnies are fairly seperate still, because of racism, but there are other countries where that isn't the case. Even if it's natural does that mean we should embrace it? Should we be slaves to our genetics, especially when we now know better? No. That's the point. Don't sit there and over generalize my comment. I never said everything natural was bad. But there are things that we know we should do differently regardless of our genetic predisposition
Thayer79 10 months ago
@Thayer79 Which countries? I will be happy to comment. We have genetic diversity. You appear to be arguing that it should be lost. My position is if we are to accept the targeted destruction of indo-European (White) peoples for some 'higher' goal then those being "deleted" must be made fully aware and give their consent. To do so without their full knowledge and consent is genocide.
MarkMuses 10 months ago
By making housing affordable in only certain areas, you create ghettos. One need only look at city planning demographic models to see how ghettoization occurs. As the government in the UK and the colonies are directly involved in municipal affairs; they are responsible. A huge clue is how highways and transit corridors are built. eg) lower class transit will never brush upper class residential.
Mahoivlich 10 months ago
The comment about the 'get up and goers' having 'got up and gone' is quite true.
If all the people who just want to get a job, have a family and live as part of a society just leave and go to a different country, all that's left is lazy people and extremist fanatics, creating a situation that breeds ever more lazy people and extreme fanatics, who then look at the rest of the world with jealously and hate, thus becoming even more extreme and fanatical.
Martin, run for PM and sort it out!
GenzenHan 10 months ago
I live in Bradford and it's interesting to hear what you have to say. Nobody can say anything about multiculturalism or defend Islam until that have experienced life in Bradford amongst Muslim people. That's all I'm saying.
citysambo 10 months ago
@citysambo
What's it like? Is it all run down?
Illumirage 10 months ago
@Illumirage It's awful, you can't speak your mind due to the risk of being 'racist'.
citysambo 10 months ago
@citysambo
Well then it's similar to YouTube in that respect. Although, as we all know, Muslims aren't a race. So what insult do they turn to next on their insult rolodex? Bigot. Of course calling Muslims out on their bullshit is far from bigoted, it's logical if you ask me. Sorry, went off on a tangent there...
Well stay safe out there chief.
Illumirage 10 months ago
@Illumirage I understand, it's just a very strange place. It's a shithole, too.
citysambo 10 months ago
@citysambo
Sounds about right. If the place already isn't a shithole, Muslims will make it one.
Illumirage 10 months ago 2
Another gem from Martin. I'm so pleased i subscribed.
FLUSEM666 10 months ago
You have a cool voice dude. And argument.
BirdcageTV 10 months ago
better hope that france experiences a string of muslim violence enough to make the world news before theres too many of them in your country martin. france is the canary of eroupe it seems always being amoung the first to experience a comming plague. then anyone that tells us its a cultural thing when they cry "death to the west" might go .... wait a minute maybe they mean what they say.
MsReefmaster 10 months ago
Muslim apologists pretend that Muslims do not do such things, that these are myths propagated by bigoted nationalists. What they need is to test their theory and have a walk into these purposely segregated Muslim communities, get their teeth kicked in not once, because they will say "its only a few" let them repeat the cycle until they realize, holy shit, they really do hate me because I'm English and not Muslim.
Elenkhos 10 months ago
I am not a racist but at times I believe that Australia should had never got rid of the WAP.
krissyeh 10 months ago
@krissyeh I think that is a very reasonable thing to say. Australia needed to wake up to the fact that it wasn't fifty miles off Lizard Point, that it was close to Asia, but that doesn't mean it had to try to change its population to fit in. The big thing about being Australian is not the latitude, it's the attitude.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett How dose your call for "urgent action" to stop islamic "ghettoes" from forming areas of segregation in this country fit in with your claim to defend freedom of speech and a citizens right to be free to live with the protection of the law in ANY AREA THEY CHOOSE ? if MUSLIMS CHOOSE to live where other MUSLIMS live how do you propose to stop them without removing their right to live freely like any other citizen ? pass a law to FORCE THEM TO SEGREGATE ? ?
hawkiethenew 10 months ago
@hawkiethenew Look at Kosovo. The Albanians moved in on Serb territory and made it it's own over the years. Because noone choose to do anything about it, the issue grew and led to war.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic When are you going to tell me something that I DONT KNOW ? you really have got no idea whats going on hear have you, I agree with that earlier comment, YOU REALLY ARE FUNNY.
hawkiethenew 10 months ago
@hawkiethenew - The problem with the muslims is the same as we are experiencing with christians. Prayer in schools? Hell yeah! As long as it's the prayer of my particular dogma! Religious laws? Hell yeah! Oh, as long as they don't conflict with my particular dogma. Of course, if you denounce my particular dogma, then you're a racist bigot who hates me! Never mind I'm trying to have my delusions coded in to law and forced upon YOU, never mind!
We desperately must rid ourselves of dogma.
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices I dont need anyone to tell me about the affects of living in ethnic ghettos because I became the VICTIM of one, I post comments on hear to highlight the absurdity of LIBERAL THINKING as portrayed by people like MARTIN J WILLETT, for decades people like me who have been objecting to what has been allowed to happen have been dismissed by LIBERALS as ignorant bigots, now it is starting to affect THEM, they say, "HUM" I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM HEAR. I BETTER WARN PEOPLE.
hawkiethenew 10 months ago
@hawkiethenew No.
Keep it down, there's people trying to think here.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett
I have a lot of personal friends from all different origins/walks of life etc. These people are 2nd or 3rd generation Australians and do consider themselves Australians before anything else. But ever since 1973 there have been way to many that will not even try to integrate into the Australian society, all they want is their own communities and that is it. You only have to look at what has happened to Lakemba, which is now just a Muslim suburb of Sydney.......................
krissyeh 10 months ago
@krissyeh
cont.... This is a fact, they call themselves Muslims first, then what ever country they have come from and lastly Australians and it is happening in every major city in Australia. They just don't have any intention to mix.
There is just way to much to say here about this subject so this is going to be a future video on the pros and cons of multiculturalism in Australia.
@Pseudologic one big royal finger to you.
krissyeh 10 months ago
@krissyeh Gotta love "I"m not a racist, but..." comments.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic It is a scientific fact that our species is racist and racist attitudes exist innately in all of us, but not everybody sees that as something to celebrate and some believe that they will never get laid unless they are seen to attack anybody who isn't frothing at the mouth trying to kill racists. I find it quite pathetic.
The idea that anybody who says they are not a racist and then says anything else at all has proven themselves to be a racist doesn't belong in adult conversation.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago 2
@MartinJWillett Bigotry is innate, but part of being a human being is being able to control bigotry and not let it make decisions for you. And yes, racism is overused and often misused, but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of almost every discussion I've had about the dangers of Islam, it transpired that people just didn't like the "damn sandn***ers." And they invariably started out as "Islam isn't a race."
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett Woops, I meant "accusations of racism are overused"
Pseudologic 10 months ago
call me a non turkish kemalist. i respect him for what he has done to keep his country free from islamists.
JulianThePhilosopher 10 months ago
Sad its going on there, i spoke to some brits in singapore they say its no longer the same. They want to migrate to australia. Look at the kemalists fighting tooth an nail to keep their country free from islamists. "the cold english queen, in the mirrior looking. The valois of france sleeping in mass. The last knight of europe takes weapons from the wall. don john of austria is going to war." perharps this last knight of europe in modern day is none other then Geert wilders.
JulianThePhilosopher 10 months ago
thank fuck i live in Spain
be cool
000whiterabbit 10 months ago
@000whiterabbit Are you integrating with the locals, respecting and adopting their values or living in linguistic and cultural isolation feeling morally superior to them?
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett
Good point. Unfortunately, there are English who have lived in Spain for 20 years without bothering to learn the language. Just hang out with English and you can be sure they think they're one up on the locals!
FedupwithR 10 months ago
@FedupwithR I think the difference is, the English don't try to get Spanish citizenships. If you have a problem with foreigners buying real estate in your country, you need to take it up with your government.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic
Why assume that I'm Spanish? I am not nor do I live in Spain! True the English are not asking for citizenship but like any expat community they tend create little England wherever they go.
FedupwithR 10 months ago
@FedupwithR I didn't say you were Spanish.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic
Then why assume that I have such a problem with foreigners buying property in " my country" (?) that I need to take it up with "my" government?
FedupwithR 10 months ago
@FedupwithR Well you obviously do, if you raise the question of "foreigners" living in countries for 20 years without bothering to learn the language. Why else would you make that comment?
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic
I don't "obviously" at all given that I am both a foreigner and house owner!. I am in favor of integration. Of learning the language. Of reading the literature, studying the culture. So I am as against Brits not bothering to speak a language as I am against Muslims refusing to wear Western clothes.
FedupwithR 10 months ago
@FedupwithR And the fact that the French did exactly that in their ex-colonies, doesn't matter to you?
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic
This video and my response to Martin Willett concerns immigration not colonialism. It is always easier to speak one's own language and culinary habits are also difficult for many to break, so it's not surprising that foreigners tend to hang out together or set up their own shops. I personally greatly appreciate Paris for that reason. I can go shopping for Chinese paintbrushes in the Chinese quarter or join their Chinese New Year festivities and eat Chinese foods.
FedupwithR 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett I can even speak Spanish
Drinking and working with the natives helps as well
and you aint seen nothing till you ask a native to help kill a pot belly pig for the barby
now that is a family day out
be cool
000whiterabbit 10 months ago
No doubt that many people make all sorts of reasons to justify their racism against Arabs. I don't like religious uniforms or the creamy pieces of shit that is Wahhabists, but what I also don't like associating myself with the creamy piles of cowshit that EDL and BNP are. I'm not sure about you, but it seems a lot of people are willing to give retards in their own culture a break.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic There are plenty of people I don't agree with that I don't feel the need to be seen insulting all the time. It strikes me as extremely childish to go out of your way to attack people and insult their intelligence and integrity just because you don't agree with them.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett When I spoke about racists, I didn't mean you in particular. I think you're very sensible and very good looking. Let's shake on it. :)
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic - I'm confused. A muslim is a believer in islam. A muslim is an islamist. It's like saying "I'm anti-christianity, but being anti-christian is racist!" Then you go on to claim that "christians {muslims} are a race." I don't buy it. "Muslim" is a belief system. "Christian" is a belief system. It's possible to hate stupid belief systems. I consider both to be "dogma." Yes, I've gotten in to arguments about the differences between dogma and religion. I don't see any.
LeksServices 10 months ago
@Pseudologic I think the prevailing philosophy being - yeah, they are retards, but they are your retards. What happens when your own retards and culture is swallowed up and your left with somebody elses retards who have zero connection to you?
knightd00b 10 months ago
@knightd00b I don't think we should tolerate any retards, because, while you feel the cultural connection to your retards, they don't feel one to you. History if full of examples of retards turning on their own people.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic Please don’t confuse race and religion. It's perfectly sensible to be anti sharia/islam in the same way it is to be anti fascist or communist. No racial issues involved.
FLUSEM666 10 months ago
@FLUSEM666 I was talking about racism against Arabs. You can be anti-Islam and I am, but most of you choose to be anti-Muslim, which I think is stupid.
Pseudologic 10 months ago
@Pseudologic You must have made a mistake here, a muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith. What did I say about confusing race and religion?
FLUSEM666 10 months ago
@FLUSEM666 You hate the people, not the ideology. I don't care which way you choose to put it.
Pseudologic 10 months ago