Ma Chao- Dynasty Warriors 7 Xtreme Legends- Nightmare Difficulty

[davidchen128]

You will not regret if you don't have DW3XL because man...the offense is damn slow in that game.

[davidchen128]

But anyway, I'm very happy to see that Ma Chao is upgraded ALLLL the way from crap in DW7 to the rival of Guan Yu in DW7XL.

[davidchen128]

Yes, but you have your two hits connected, and I'm not sure if that is just enough or almost enough (can't see it obviously). But with the setup kyoukd has, his last hit deals a bit more than an HP bar. I don't think it is possible to connect the first hit to all the targets. His last hit has no damage penalty, so he can do two musou offense against multi in any situations. Then stage completion time is a lot faster.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 And btw, he can shave of an hp bar with musou 1 with healing setup, look at pang de kill

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 But then that just makes your offense inferiior against non-cavalry officers. I just posted a video showing off hand attack comparison

[davidchen128]

But in certain situations, before executing a C4, the horses and the tigers can interrupt you easily. This can minimize his offensive limitations. Because I hate it when they have a bit of health left.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Yeah but all that means really is one less charged C4 to kill

[davidchen128]

I remember I have to keep a distance from the officer hordes. Then he can use musou 1. If another officer is entering, I might set him with 3 or 4 musou bars.

[davidchen128]

For the best answer, I just refer to kyoukd's video. His 2nd weapon of DLC double pike with ONLY one OA can shave off more than an HP bar. But with Nightmare Crescent Blade and 2 OAs, he can't shave off an HP bar with musou 1. This means that against cavalry and multi at the same time, he can do quick juggle with musou 1 immediately without using charged C4 to apply.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 But it literally does nothing to improve his offense

[davidchen128]

I'm still new. I need to get all the weapons though. For my playing style, if a character can have decent defense, life leech weapons can be omitted. I think the power of the weapon affects more. If I can predict whether I will receive a lot of damage, I can use power weapons. So I might give DLC double pike for Ma Chao's 2nd weapon. The concern is surviving consistency and comparatively better completion time.

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@davidchen128 Btw how far are u in XL?

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@davidchen128 Not a huge disadvantage though, as a lot of calbees vids are of different stages though

[davidchen128]

But the disadvantage is that audiences can't see the comparison of stage completion time.

[davidchen128]

Or maybe short part. Like what calbee did be4. When he messes up Zhou Tai's offense against Lu Bu, he shows a short video of Lu Bu at the same stage. So yeah.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Yeah but if i had to update, i would do a short stage, like liu shans

[davidchen128]

Generally, the more complex the character is, the more chance tier list makers you have to revise and upload the update videos.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 That is literally my exact approach for zhou tai in vid o.o. You sir are a mind reader

[davidchen128]

I remember that Zhou Tai can do continuous juggle against multiple officers easily. He is another easy character to use. Musou 1 is unblockable, so it is effective against multi. Musou 2 is more powerful now, so I think against multi, he can do musou 1-musou 2 combo. EX attack is important for filling.

[davidchen128]

Yeah SW series have slow offense except SW2/XL.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 btw, zhou tai should be in wang yuanji's tier, but above since he is a hell of a lot better against multi

[davidchen128]

Yeah. Zhong Hui is relatively a simple one to master. Also, he is incredible against cavalry.

For Guan Yu

His slow fill can produce problems against cavalry groups.

His musou 2 can deal with horsemen instantaneously.

[davidchen128]

I just thought of a way to make Zhong Hui as fast as OMKO. C5-Musou 2 transition can KO any unbuffed officers. C5 deals about 50% of life bar.

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@davidchen128 well with c1, that should work againsts single, but not multi, ok thanks :)

[davidchen128]

The offense is so slow in DW3XL. Playing DW3 without XL is just like playing DW4 without XL, but not similar to having DW5 w/ o XL.

The offense is already not very fast in DW3. Slow offense makes the game boring.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 i agree. DW4 without XL isn't bad, but expert mode is awfully slow. I love elemental setups on this game. Musous actually don't lose too much power. Ma Chao and Zhong Hui are incredible with elemental setups

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Yeah Zhong Hui is incredibly easy to use. BTW with the slow offense being boring, i completely agree. Wonderpierrot was saying in his most recent video( showing the maximum power of weapons in WO3) that he didn't like it and wishes for the speed of offense of SW3/XL. I dont play SW but i heard the offense for that game is awful

[Gibson188G]

You should try DW3XL on very hard mode, it's pretty fun, and challenging too.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Gibson188G yeah i've always thought about it, maxing stuff on DW3 takes a long ass time though haha

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Gibson188G but hmmm its a possibility

[Gibson188G]

Oh, ok. A tier list. Are you that DW5XLChaosmodeGuide?

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Gibson188G nah i just couldn't think of a better name. My original account i made a stupid random name lol so i wanted a more formal name for these videos. And what a perfect name that way people who are familiar with DW5CMG will know what i do here.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Gibson188G With most characters, for maximization purposes, yes. But after i get everyones maximized performance up, im uploaing characters with elemental setups, which is how i usually play

[Gibson188G]

Is spamming musou attacks all the time completely necessary in this game?

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Gibson188G I am sorry to disappoint though. The main reason i make these videos is for tier list purposes, but i know that doing the same stage DOES bore viewers who just view for fun. I think im just going to alternate maximization and just random gameplays in different stages. That way, i satisfy viewers who don't just want to see musou attack after musou attack on the same stage, and the people who want to see how good the character is maximized.

[davidchen128]

BTW I just got DW7XL. I'm maximizing Ma Chao and practicing him. If I got update for him, I will tell you.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Congrats man :). And it's good to have 2 minds going at this. With 1 mind, there can be a LOT of avoidable errors

[Sereniama]

And why do you mute the music in the game? Isn't it epic enough already?

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@Sereniama lol no one wants to here crush em all all the time. I try to put unique music for each character, and i seriously don't know how i got that zhang fei video so good. And its not bad in 720p fullscreen with headphones. Which is what i suggest in the beginning, the default setting does look shitty and im sorry for that. I will see if i can find a way to improve the quality

[Sereniama]

Why is your recording so crappy? Why is it hnot like your previous vids?

[davidchen128]

Zhang Liao and Mitsunari Ishida are top 5 in overall tier list, but excluding crowd clearing tier list, there are several characters better than them. Crowd clearing isn't important in that game.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Isnt zhang liao top 2 spot in WO. I remember that him and mitsuanari ishida are in the same spot

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@DW7XLNightmareGuide He is one of the few characters that can suffer from too good of crowd clearing

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@davidchen128 Nah lol for some reason it wasnt working, hes decent, but far from the top

[davidchen128]

Hmm. Do you mean a bug. BTW, is Ma Dai good in this game?

I would suggest the following BGMs for Ma Dai

1) Anger and Grudge

2) Bloodshed to Repeat ( I forgot the exact name)

3) Trail of Death

4) Swept Away

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 I filmed pang de's vid today. I TRIED filming ma dais video but for some reason, even when i spam the musou button in red health, he doesnt like to use musou, so i got buttraped by wang yi

[davidchen128]

Oh yeah I forgot Epic Man!! Let's replace fusion with epic man.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Wouldnt epic man be a more fitting theme than fusion? I always thiought fusion was more towards the girls and zhang he

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Takes out about 140% hp bar

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide IC. Zhang Liao always been a very good character in Warrior Series. He is close to God Tier in DW3, and very good in DW5XL and WO. Don't know how he is in DW4 and DW6.

For Pang De's musics, I suggest

1) Gloomy Shadow

2) Twin Ax

3) Chaotic Field

4) Fusion!!

[davidchen128]

So is Zhang Liao's musou 1 upgraded?

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 His speed buff makes his musou 1 uncontrollable , his offense is c1, C4, Musou 1. That combo kills the officer. His songle officer offense is about as fast as diao chan

[davidchen128]

Zhang Liao can do the combo of musou 1 after his EX. He is not as good as Ma Chao, but Zhang Liao vs Wang Yi, hmm.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Ok for the order. Zhang liao is A LOT better than pang de

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 My dad made me go to bed early last night, so only wang yi, zhou yu, and yue ying. But it doesnt look like were doing any remodeling today anyway. Hes so weird. Cant wait till im 18

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide IC. Let's put Pang De's video after Ma Chao, then Ma Dai, then Wang Yi. For the order of Xiliang.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Yea huang gai is AWWWFFFUULLL against multi, just terrible

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide You have 12 characters' gameplay filmed. I'm curious what are the characters you have filmed.

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide I know. At least Huang Gai is decent in WO and DW3. Not sure about DW4, but he is terrible in DW5.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 His musou cant even instant kill, and he has crap for isolation techniques. I think her vids around 16 minutes

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide Her new DLC weapon and 2nd power weapon gives her total power of 140. This makes her instant kill with Musou 2, giving her a huge jump of the tier list I think. She should be a lot higher than Guo Jia.

Plus Huang Gai's musou 1's AOE is blockable.

Gan Ning and Jiang Wei are at the same tier IMO.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 It wasnt too bad with C6. Btw huang gai sucks

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide I already imagine that Huang Gai is crap in this game, I would call him, Inferior Wang Yi, because both of their musous are grab. How long is your Wang Yi video? Longer than Wang Yuanji?

[davidchen128]

I wonder if Wang Yi has severe limitations against cavalry/tiger. Her musou 2 should be the most powerful one, but hard to grab against ground opponents. It is the hardest to land in this game.

She says " you're not getting away!"

So yeah, if she grabs the right target, the officer can't get away.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Yea xing cai is worse against cavalry

[davidchen128]

The legendary cavalry's weakness, is against cavalry groups. Isn't Xing Cai worse than Ma Chao against cavalry? Just like Huang Zhong in WO, the legendary archery's weakness, is facing archers.

[davidchen128]

Yes I read your message. Oh I see that you won't upload a video today because you are still filming the reserving videos.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Did u read my youtube messages?

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 Just filmed wang yi's vid. VERY good run to show her strengths and weaknesses

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide IC. How long did you take for uploading a video usually?

[davidchen128]

I haven't seen a WO3 tier list yet. I remember from my friend that her musou two can easily miss even against lone officer. She is better off with Dragon Spear because her musou 2 can be connected more consistently, but we are considering EX weapons only.

[davidchen128]

I thought staff is a slow filler though. If she can't rival Wang Yuanji, she has no chance against Ma Chao.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 yeah she can't rival ma chao, its just she doesn't have limitations towards cavalry, which is why their completion times are similar. when musous are filled though, her offense is a lot faster than wang yuanji's. and i don't know why but yue ying's musou 1 juggles the enemies just right where it almosts shapes to the staff's range, which improves her fillrate

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide IC. She needs to reserve her musou bars, and filling for reservation of musou offense shouldn't take too long. I think she might stand higher than Zhou Yu because his musou 1 is longer and he relies on his EX attack to fill. This means that Yue Ying's offense is faster.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 i have a very unique maximization for zhou yu, but he's a lot slower than yue ying. The completion time difference is around two minutes.

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide I can already imagine that Yue Ying should be faster even though she needs more musous to kill an officer.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 she really only needs two, as all she needs to kill an officer, is a C4 with 2 musou 1's

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 btw is anyone working on a WO3 tier list yet? a tier list for that game would be very interesting

[davidchen128]

Hmm. Is staff's jump attack the way to fill? I was aware of it.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 and no C4 is, but i have her set up with 4 musous , so she may reserve musou

[davidchen128]

Honesty I don't know how will Wang Yi feels when she is instant killed by Ma Chao. I am curious about your opinion lol.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 @davidchen128 It's just funny because she always bitches about ma chao when she encounters him, and then to get owned like that, is pretty funny. Basically this is what happened.

Wang Yi *sad face*- "You have caused me too much pain for me to allow you to survive!"

Ma Chao *annoyed face*- "STFU!"

Wang Yi's death, Ma Chao just strolls along like the fuck yea meme

And yea staff JA is EXTREMELY useful for calvalry

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide Here is my opinion

Wang Yi: Ma Chao, I swear your head is mine!!

Ma Chao: I'd like to see you try!!

Wang Yi: Let's see how you like my Ground Musou>Aerial Musou combo.

Ma Chao: Let's see how you like my Musou 2 instant kill.

Then, Ma Chao instant kills Wang Yi with Musou 2.

Wang Yi: I...cannot...take...his...Muso­u...2. Some...one...kills...Ma...Chao­...for...me.

Ma Chao: I'd like to see how strong your partners are.

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@davidchen128 BTW, i forgot to tell you something, Wang yi's musou 2 DOES instant kill, but is only consistent if crowds are small, but would give her an advantage over people in her tier. I was thinking for wang yi's video to split it in 3 with anger and grudge, irritation, and her theme. Do anger and grudge until zhang liao kill, then irritation, then her theme once she faces herself XD

[davidchen128]

@DW7XLNightmareGuide I know there is sth for her musou 2 to instant kill. Good idea of her BGM. I though her C6 isn't a great filler. EX attack is a lot better, but longer for isolation. And I remember her musou 2 is very hard to grab against ground opponents.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 yeah i don't know if i will show much in video, but ill try to show at Zhang he, since he's completely isolated

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 who are the top's in WO3?

[davidchen128]

No matter what, Ma Chao is definitely better than Wang Yuanji and Zhao Yun.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 i found a new maximization for yue ying that makes her offense as fast as 2 musou offense with linking musous together and extremely good recovery time and execution time, makes her offense EXTREMELY fast. i think her video is slightly shorter than ma chaos

[davidchen128]

Yeah he isn't great against cavalry groups. All the horses has to be kept in front, so musou 1 can eliminate faster. But it takes a long time to set this up. BTW nice Wang Yi kill.

[DW7XLNightmareGuide]

@davidchen128 lol thanks! no revenge for wang yi!