@KiLLxDoZeR If you don't appreciate her character, you don't deserve Deadwood. As a matter of fact, if you don't appreciate ANY characters you don't deserve Deadwood. They're all integral part of it.
This was not the Al we'd get to know later in the show..If this was pro wrestling this would be when he was still a heel..He'd eventually turn face. I hated seeing Jane punked like this to.
I agree, irkofan, if you're still reading. Al became the "sin-eater" of sorts, for Deadwood. He could have held the high moral ground and not sacrificed Jen or given up Trixie...and Hearst and his private army would have burned the place down, with all the innocents still in camp. Milch has said Al was a good man who knew none of the behaviors of goodness (as is believable from his upbringing, which, btw, would have almost certainly included being sexually abused as a child.
@Aivottaja and if she did Dan would be her friend and in ways we can only imagine would make her suffer... mmmmm inspire me what do you think Dan would do...
Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.
There U* have Al Swearengen.
The weakness of humanity is concentrated in Calamity , to make up for its absence in Swearengen.
@6905632418 There is no absence of humanity in Swearengen. If anything, considering his history -- dropped in an orphanage, beat (from what I could gather when he talked about his brother's funeral), and a life-long of scraping his way to where he is in the show--he is the perfect example of the human condition. It always terrified me in some ways that I could relate with him so much. He's very, very human.
@irkofan ...I know what Ur saying/ my references are more to the individual I see in the NOW*.
At the end of the series , the fact that he chooses to slit the throat of a prostitute in a ritual slaughter, again highlights his ruthlessness and immorality . He chose not to take on the primary villain , his nemesis , for the sake of convenience, and to protect his kingdom from outside intervention .It is a very BLACK script.
@6905632418 So, he does not share the same morals as you. That doesn't make him immoral, it makes your morals different from his, and different from what the common public would consider the norm (or what most people would agree with anyways, for the sake of fitting the fuck in). Immorality doesn't figure into it. Morals don't make humans, humans make morals and create laws and codes. He does what he wants, and that makes him human,
@irkofan no, that makes him a criminal and a psychopath...do yourself a favor , before U die ,find someone real to defend and/ or admire...try Schweitzer , Lincoln, or 1 of the Kennedys.I cant believe that someone wants to play defence for A Deadwood persona....too funnee.
@6905632418 Do yourself a favor, and learn to fucking know me before you decide to be a fucking, self-righteous dick-hole. I do admire real people. If I might name a few, they're musicians and artists. John Buscema, Ronnie Drew, Bob Marley, Frank Frazetta, Frederic Remington (a sculptor and painter, not the fella who invented the gun.) And I could go on. So, get off your fucking soap box. I'm not playing defense for the character so much as my views.
@irkofan I know its been four months since you got into the argument, with that other guy, but I just wanted you to know , I completly agree with your views on the character of Al in this show. The real guy wasn't this guy of course, but that not withstanding the character certainly was human, bad, and good as almost all humans are.
Four months, four days, four minutes--what's a little time? I could always relate with Al, because a lot of the things he describes in his upbringing, I had similar experiences with. Deadwood was a very interesting story, with characters that resonate like thunder.
@6905632418 (Continuing my post, as I'm not fucking done saying what I want to say.) You strike me as one of those people who believes that God or fucking society gives us our morals. Sheep mentality, right there. I'm not going to say you *are* one of those people, but you're sure as fuck striking me as someone like that. Show or no show, you'd argue with me about this self-same subject if we were talking about something else. Moral superiority doesn't impress me. *That's* my point.
@6905632418 Oh, and to add one more thing sorry to be so opinionated, I know it must be unusual to you. To get back to the original topic of the plot. It wasn't ritualistic slaughter (he wasn't sacrificing her to a God) he was saving Trixie, and setting into motion a kind of damage control. To take on Hearst would have been immensely ill-planned and bad for the camp and its progress. He saw both the big and small of it, and chose what he thought was best--I think.
She was supposed to have been sexually assaulted previously...she tells doc Al "ain't the first" to scare her....Milch says somethin about it in the dvd commentary.
@williamrafe1 That girl was the only living witness to a robbery-gone-wrong by Al's road agents. Al was told by doc cochran that the little girl was still unconscious, thus unable to talk. Al wanted to see for himself and did. He was contemplating killing her so she couldn't tie the murder of her family to the gang and ultimately Al.
in the "best of all aswearengen" video, when he says "u should be afraid of me" from this scene, i thought it was a boy. how could wild bill love her?
Alma is such a weird woman, always looking out her window...I never liked her and wish Bullock would've never f**ked her. He was better than her and her drama. Even though her dad deserved Bullock's beatdown, I thought it was pretty petty for her to get Bullock to fight her battles when he barely knew her at the time.
just came up with a theory: jane is scared when al (this clip) and cy (see jane and joanie, 4:18) approach her. I think that deep in her past, Jane was hurt (in a serious way) by someone with the same ruthlessness (and maybe appearance - businessman with moustahce) as Al/Cy.
Jane isn't easily scared. I don't know what it is about Al, maybe he reminded her of someone, or maybe it's just that it's clear even seeing him that he's gone through the worst and done the most ruthless, but this scene is really powerful. Interestingly, it's two characters who are confused about their own weaknesses - it's just that Al, as a social leader, has learned never to show them. Jayne is more haphazard/bipolar.
i think calamity jane was way overdone. I felt like she almost ruined season one. im not hating, i love deadwood, but the show seemed to be more relevant when she was off screen
Some people you love to hate. Al is one ya hate to love. Jane was tough but in the end she was human. It is not so easy to make that case with Al. The devil came calling.
he still let sophia live. and he redeemed himself in season 3 by vowing to stab hearst if he wasn't fooled by trixie's supposed death. cy didn't give a damn about the camp or his own men. but al in a pragmatic way did.
@TheDeadwoodfan Jane is perhaps, The most scared person in deadwood. Her drinking being a huge indication to her lack of confidence. I like Jane. I like Al more...
shes so annoying she ruined the show
KiLLxDoZeR 1 month ago
@KiLLxDoZeR If you don't appreciate her character, you don't deserve Deadwood. As a matter of fact, if you don't appreciate ANY characters you don't deserve Deadwood. They're all integral part of it.
Danorowski 1 month ago
This was not the Al we'd get to know later in the show..If this was pro wrestling this would be when he was still a heel..He'd eventually turn face. I hated seeing Jane punked like this to.
Murphdogg4 1 month ago
I agree, irkofan, if you're still reading. Al became the "sin-eater" of sorts, for Deadwood. He could have held the high moral ground and not sacrificed Jen or given up Trixie...and Hearst and his private army would have burned the place down, with all the innocents still in camp. Milch has said Al was a good man who knew none of the behaviors of goodness (as is believable from his upbringing, which, btw, would have almost certainly included being sexually abused as a child.
k1227 4 months ago
@k1227 Well said.
irkofan 3 months ago
This scene would have went very differently if Charlie or Bill had been in the back.
Stiletos 4 months ago
Here are my favorite characters in Deadwood!
Al and Calamity Jane!!! F*ckin' great actors!
SuperTornado2212 8 months ago
Now that is what menacing is.
nlp3000 8 months ago
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SmilingGiantess 9 months ago
Jane should've pulled a gun on him. But I guess she was too afraid of Al, which is understandable.
Aivottaja 10 months ago
@Aivottaja and if she did Dan would be her friend and in ways we can only imagine would make her suffer... mmmmm inspire me what do you think Dan would do...
SmilingGiantess 9 months ago
Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.
There U* have Al Swearengen.
The weakness of humanity is concentrated in Calamity , to make up for its absence in Swearengen.
6905632418 10 months ago 2
@6905632418 But Al has style....
SmilingGiantess 9 months ago
@6905632418 There is no absence of humanity in Swearengen. If anything, considering his history -- dropped in an orphanage, beat (from what I could gather when he talked about his brother's funeral), and a life-long of scraping his way to where he is in the show--he is the perfect example of the human condition. It always terrified me in some ways that I could relate with him so much. He's very, very human.
irkofan 7 months ago
@irkofan ...I know what Ur saying/ my references are more to the individual I see in the NOW*.
At the end of the series , the fact that he chooses to slit the throat of a prostitute in a ritual slaughter, again highlights his ruthlessness and immorality . He chose not to take on the primary villain , his nemesis , for the sake of convenience, and to protect his kingdom from outside intervention .It is a very BLACK script.
6905632418 7 months ago
@6905632418 So, he does not share the same morals as you. That doesn't make him immoral, it makes your morals different from his, and different from what the common public would consider the norm (or what most people would agree with anyways, for the sake of fitting the fuck in). Immorality doesn't figure into it. Morals don't make humans, humans make morals and create laws and codes. He does what he wants, and that makes him human,
irkofan 7 months ago
@irkofan no, that makes him a criminal and a psychopath...do yourself a favor , before U die ,find someone real to defend and/ or admire...try Schweitzer , Lincoln, or 1 of the Kennedys.I cant believe that someone wants to play defence for A Deadwood persona....too funnee.
6905632418 7 months ago
@6905632418 Do yourself a favor, and learn to fucking know me before you decide to be a fucking, self-righteous dick-hole. I do admire real people. If I might name a few, they're musicians and artists. John Buscema, Ronnie Drew, Bob Marley, Frank Frazetta, Frederic Remington (a sculptor and painter, not the fella who invented the gun.) And I could go on. So, get off your fucking soap box. I'm not playing defense for the character so much as my views.
irkofan 7 months ago
@irkofan I know its been four months since you got into the argument, with that other guy, but I just wanted you to know , I completly agree with your views on the character of Al in this show. The real guy wasn't this guy of course, but that not withstanding the character certainly was human, bad, and good as almost all humans are.
Hobgoblin1975 3 months ago
@Hobgoblin1975
Four months, four days, four minutes--what's a little time? I could always relate with Al, because a lot of the things he describes in his upbringing, I had similar experiences with. Deadwood was a very interesting story, with characters that resonate like thunder.
irkofan 3 months ago
@6905632418 (Continuing my post, as I'm not fucking done saying what I want to say.) You strike me as one of those people who believes that God or fucking society gives us our morals. Sheep mentality, right there. I'm not going to say you *are* one of those people, but you're sure as fuck striking me as someone like that. Show or no show, you'd argue with me about this self-same subject if we were talking about something else. Moral superiority doesn't impress me. *That's* my point.
irkofan 7 months ago
@6905632418 Oh, and to add one more thing sorry to be so opinionated, I know it must be unusual to you. To get back to the original topic of the plot. It wasn't ritualistic slaughter (he wasn't sacrificing her to a God) he was saving Trixie, and setting into motion a kind of damage control. To take on Hearst would have been immensely ill-planned and bad for the camp and its progress. He saw both the big and small of it, and chose what he thought was best--I think.
irkofan 7 months ago
Jane disliked this
bear619bolt4life 11 months ago 2
I like this seen because jane was a cunt to charlie utter earlier that day
Mattraction513 11 months ago
She was supposed to have been sexually assaulted previously...she tells doc Al "ain't the first" to scare her....Milch says somethin about it in the dvd commentary.
niktp 1 year ago
Jane was always afraid of men deep down.
willburr 1 year ago
@willburr Not men she was scared of life which why drinking claimed her so well.
SmilingGiantess 9 months ago
alright, i have no idea whats goin on, can someone explain it?
williamrafe1 1 year ago
@williamrafe1 That girl was the only living witness to a robbery-gone-wrong by Al's road agents. Al was told by doc cochran that the little girl was still unconscious, thus unable to talk. Al wanted to see for himself and did. He was contemplating killing her so she couldn't tie the murder of her family to the gang and ultimately Al.
wtg2989 1 year ago
in the "best of all aswearengen" video, when he says "u should be afraid of me" from this scene, i thought it was a boy. how could wild bill love her?
williamrafe1 1 year ago
@williamrafe1
I think Wild Bill loved her only as a friend.
Aivottaja 10 months ago
He broke her......
AnnabellsSmiles 1 year ago
Doc was the hardest, no doubt
IHateBarnett 1 year ago
not so tough now jane u man hating dyke,,,,,Al rules,,,Bring back deadwood
shanehitler 1 year ago
Jane always seemed afraid of men when it came to a direct confrontation. Old history...?
willburr 1 year ago
Alma is such a weird woman, always looking out her window...I never liked her and wish Bullock would've never f**ked her. He was better than her and her drama. Even though her dad deserved Bullock's beatdown, I thought it was pretty petty for her to get Bullock to fight her battles when he barely knew her at the time.
malloryc5584 1 year ago
just came up with a theory: jane is scared when al (this clip) and cy (see jane and joanie, 4:18) approach her. I think that deep in her past, Jane was hurt (in a serious way) by someone with the same ruthlessness (and maybe appearance - businessman with moustahce) as Al/Cy.
mawhar 2 years ago
Jane isn't easily scared. I don't know what it is about Al, maybe he reminded her of someone, or maybe it's just that it's clear even seeing him that he's gone through the worst and done the most ruthless, but this scene is really powerful. Interestingly, it's two characters who are confused about their own weaknesses - it's just that Al, as a social leader, has learned never to show them. Jayne is more haphazard/bipolar.
mawhar 2 years ago
one who kills with a knive is up close and personnal....plus a women no matter how tuff cannot come close to a man as ruthless as him.....
cholulasaucehot 2 years ago
" One who kills, makes it business, and one who starts the incident, makes it personal. " - Jay Citti
lettersfromaboy 2 years ago
@mawhar i know you left this comment a while ago, but i had to say, very good observation.
RayDandy 1 year ago
i think calamity jane was way overdone. I felt like she almost ruined season one. im not hating, i love deadwood, but the show seemed to be more relevant when she was off screen
cruffrider5 2 years ago
Poor Jane.
BlondeBardie 2 years ago
Shes been fucked plenty.
obj7777 1 year ago
"You don't want to interfere with me". God, he deliver a line...
willburr 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Where the hell is Calamity jane in this scene?
jegspillerpiano 2 years ago
I love the music at 1:50
JacobMcandles 2 years ago
this was jane's weakest moment. I love Al but I hated him here, only because I don't like knowing someone can scare Jane.
TheDeadwoodfan 2 years ago 9
Some people you love to hate. Al is one ya hate to love. Jane was tough but in the end she was human. It is not so easy to make that case with Al. The devil came calling.
toepebble 2 years ago 25
Well said, Al was only human in his moments with Trixie. RIP Deadwood.
JimmyHook 2 years ago 4
@JimmyHook uh.. reverend smith?
tgodd 1 year ago
Cy was scarier...
hrothgleas 2 years ago 3
@hrothgleas Cy was definitely more evil than Al.
Al still would have whooped his ass though.
countacolor 7 months ago
he still let sophia live. and he redeemed himself in season 3 by vowing to stab hearst if he wasn't fooled by trixie's supposed death. cy didn't give a damn about the camp or his own men. but al in a pragmatic way did.
SchizoKnight12 2 years ago
@TheDeadwoodfan Jane is perhaps, The most scared person in deadwood. Her drinking being a huge indication to her lack of confidence. I like Jane. I like Al more...
AnnabellsSmiles 1 year ago