Response to james White Final Report from Norfolk debates 1

[SalamToMohammed]

i love shadid

[SirContraMundum]

Yeah, mate, that book is very poor scholarship - no offense. Just strictly dealing with the content - they completely misrepresent Osiris's story. Please read this: ancient-egypt-onlineDOTcom/osi­ris.html

[shwayest2]

Dear brother, You're arguments and debates are impressive. So let me encourage you to continue and not be discouraged by the anti-islam posters. Some muslim debators can't land home their points and clearly show the truth while exposing their opponent. You can. So do not change your debate style. It's practically superb.

[ChristianHamOperator]

Hey Shadid give it up - Dr. White easily refutes everything you say and makes you look ignorant & misguided, you wouldn't stand a chance. You get defensive because you know you'd lose sir, God bless & remember Jesus is Lord!

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@ChristianHamOperator Oh please, I already refute him. And remember Jesus was just a man and a prophet , John 8:40 says so. And save your BS God blessing you know you dont mean it.

[wyumj]

@MrIslamAnswersback You are extremly confused.The "holy" koran testifies the fact that jesus was born of a virgin mother. yes ,there is similarities to other older stories.but if the bible is wrong so is the "holy" koran,you also stated in other threads that jesus "survived" the cross. What are your prison imans teaching you? the koran boldly states "they did not kill him.they did not crucify him. it was to look like to them that way. he was raised up". you fake deedat(lol)u know nothing

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@wyumj sorry racist punk, but I have never been in prison, so save your ignorant "white" racist stereotypes for someone else. No one is arguing the virgin birth idiot , pay attention to the video. I stated in other threads that Jesus was not killed. I know what the Quran states. You fake Dr. White . You're an idiot! Now get lost loser!

[formeragnostic]

MrIslam, Have you at least taken the time to read the answers to the book you are reading? Ie. The Case for the Real Jesus?

If that uninspired book is wrong (and there is very good chance it is) consider that you are placing your very faith and eternal soul into those false teachings.

Consider the inspired Scriptures. Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6, etc. which plainly teach the eternal nature and deity of the son.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@formeragnostic WHAT?! I have not read the case for the real Jesus, so your assumption is wrong. Micah 5:2 is not about the Son. Jesus was not the ruler of israel as 5:2 says that person would be. Instead in Jesus time the Romans ruled. Isaiah 9:6 is not about the Son either. Jesus had no government on his shoulders, Jesus says the father is greater than him so he cant be the everlasting Father. Jesus says he has a God in john 20:17 so he cant be the mighty God. So consider this instead.

[Abdullah1475]

Thank you for exposing James white for the pompous arrogant ass that he is.Have you been to his you tube page? He dismisses Muslim debaters as inferior but something that he indulges in because he has nothing better to do.He must be worried because he watches the Deen show and post video responses to what he is seeing there on his page.Please continue to smack this arrogant fool in the mouth.

[x12yz]

Brothers and sisters, Allah (The Almighty) says in the Glorious Quran

ch17 v81:

" wa qul jaa-alhaqo wa zaha-ql batil, inal batala ka na zaho ka".

and declare "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish"

[baku5inqlab]

assalamualikum brother what ever you they deny it coz God says they cant see hear nor they undrestand

[NATURALboredKILLER]

lol@ fake Caucasian god-man, welcome to christianity ladies and gentlemen. I wonder if Sam shamoune finds it difficult to worship a Caucasian Hercules knowing that hes a middle easterner himself. The more i learn about christianity the more i thank God i am not one of them.

[MarruecosMan]

Salam brother . You are doing good job , but I think you missed this verse

Matthew 12: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

How was Jonas in there for 3 days and 3 nights?? Jonas was Alive the whole time. And Jesus was not there for 3 days and 3 nights any way. He was supposed to be there only friday night and saturday. By sunday he was not there. Thats only 2 nights( fri, & sat) and 1day (saturday).

[rkg62976]

I thought Muslims were supposed to have a reverence for the Old and New Testaments? How can that be if the New Testament was taken from pagan mythology? According to Islam, does the Koran stand alone, or with the Old and New Testaments?

[Tchado1000]

I'm a black Palestinian

[valmir111]

Salam aleikom from kosova to my brothers in islam u doing good job brother my Allah riward u i know u from paltalk islam answers back

[manu0033]

do ur thing brother....FUK wat they lookin at.......

[MrIslamAnswersback]

But what you will find is that , although some other cultures shows Jesus as black, Chinese etc, is that the standard accepted image is jesus as a white man. And other cultures will mostly have the White jesus in their Homes and church,while you wont find whites with a Black jesus, or chinese jesus in their homes or church. thus showing most of the people of color have been brain washed into accepting the white Image of jesus as their God.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

But a Palestinian Jew is his nationality and religious background not his race. There are Black Palestinians and semetic ones.Saying Palestinian jew is just a way to avoid saying his color. Jew is not a color nor is palestinian. Those are not racial categories either. Many times when cornered Anglo Americans will say Jesus was a jew to avoid admitting they think he was a white man.

[KeithTruth]

This idiot reads the Jesus Mysteries as authoritative.

Even the atheist scholar Richard Carrier dismisses that trash as useless and problematic due to the bias shody research.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

The only idiot is you . The book has its sources and references and I couldless what 1 atheist has to say about book.

[someguy6481]

Part 1

wow keithtruth, did Jesus teach you to call people idiots? you can block me on your blog and on your youtube account but I can still show how much of a hypocrite you are.

cont...

[someguy6481]

Part 2

@ keithtruth you have the audacity to accuse Sami Zaatari and the other muslims for "dotting you" on paltalk but have no problem censoring others who question your beliefs, you don't control the web nor youtube.

you & venomfangx are the most unchristian people ever, what happened to "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect?"

[layziethabone]

james white is a joke.

jazak Allah khair

[bumbacutthoat]

look how emotional you got. if you really believed yourself this would be funny to you

[Asiaofegypt]

Welcome to Islam brother, Islam is the only true relegion, the relegion of the prophets , the relgion of peace, islam means submit yourself to the will God, or surrender yourself to God, who wouldn't want to surrender himself to God, May Allah guide us All ameen

[mrhorrible77]

Peace be unto you!! I stand on neither side of you and the edomite. I will say indeed you 2 are both right and wrong. Man has more than has his physical vehicle that constitutes the ultimate "body". The Qu'ran & bible do both say Issa/Yehoshuwa shall return. Time is short.Salaam

[runninstermz]

haha caucasion god man hahaha, he was a palestinian jew yeah he is depicted white but is that his real color? no does anyone truly believe he is white? not unless your truly racist. sir not everyone is race sensitive like you.

[AASMA000]

revrobson-they were not names of Muhammad(saw)gods and u know that aswell.what stopped u from reading the next two verses?

53:22-23that indeed is a division unfair.They ARE BUT names which you(pagans)have named-you and your fathers(pagans)....lord.

U READ THE QURAN WITH OPEN EYES.the truth definetly isnt what your showing.If you are truthful bring proper proof not examples where the answer is in the nxt ayah.Do yourself another favour check out what Allah means.

[antichristawakens]

read what i have said on this video.

[antichristawakens]

the pagan gods that you have mentioned check the tone, how they are being told of. read the context carefully what god is sayign about them just bcoz their names are mentioned in quran, does it mean allah is an idol? {stupidity}

53:23. They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allâh has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

clearly you are misguided

[antichristawakens]

2 Samuel 22 9There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

Q, what are you sayin, god is a dragon? 11And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

Q, what are you trying to prove? God have been riding a naked child angel or female angel?

WHO IS PAGAN NOW???

Muslim Here!!!

[antichristawakens]

chapter 112

1.Say: He is Allah, the One;2.Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;3.He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;4.And there is none like unto Him.

if you think allah is moon god heres a test.

is moon 1 n only? other planets have moons

is moon eternal, absolute? v know it will be destroyed, sun is expanding.

4th verse means, whatever image u c, or shape u imagine, god is not liek that.

you use your head, how can allah be a moon?

truth has come and falsehood flees!!!

Muslim Here!

[antichristawakens]

when v gave them the paper of treaty, at the end it was written "muhammad the messenger of god" pagans said v dnt recognise u as the messenger of god, so write your full name which is "muhammad bin abdullah" n v had 2 make peace, muhammad asked his followers to remove the text "messenger of god" v were not goin 2 keep fighting n avoid peace simply bcoz they didnt want accept him as a messenger, this is the right thing to do, besides according to bible jesus said im not good, then what makes him?

[antichristawakens]

the hajj is the tradition of abraham, abraham built the house of kabaa, and he peformed hajj there, the pre-islamic arabs did follow some traditions of abraham and not others. they associated partners with god too. we rejected that and now islam came to go back to the pure abrahamic traditions worshiping one god of abraham, moses, jesus, jacob etc (pbut) youre saying read encyclopedia, i say READ QURAN. we had to sign the treaty bcoz now we had the chance to make peace ...

[MrIslamAnswersback]

Its great to see how you gloss over the undertoned racial stereo types by bigots.

[darpachief]

you dont care about what he knows.....ironic. just 3 mins into this dudes vid he sounds like he needs to go back to school.

[spitandsawdust]

Plagarism by anticipation? Same could be said of the Islamic doctrine of 'The Natural Religion'

[Gfingers08]

This is a response to muslim9x9x -

Christians attacking your faith? You Muslims really have the nerve!! The whole Qu'ran is an attack on the Jewish and Christian faith.

You are deluded!!

[imadhurata1]

nabeel qureshi was never a muslim, he was ahmedi.

[Rhology]

My favorite part of this video is the way you refrained entirely from whining, emoting all over the place, or using childish insults like "who's stupid now?" At least you didn't challenge him to a knife fight in the parking lot or something, though I wouldn't have been surprised to see that.

Growing up would really benefit you.

Peace.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

My favorite part of what you said, is how you totally ignored how it was Mr. White who used such terms 1st. Then I like how you made your silly racial stereo type implications, typical of sorry White racist losers!

[muslim9x9x]

the trinity is COPIED from the Mystery Religions, please explain the word TRIMURTI in the Hindu religion:

It doesn't make sense that "God the son" (not found in the Bible) was praying to the Father in the flesh, when that FLESH was literally God Himself (John 1:1 "The word BECAME flesh", so God embodied in the FLESH of the "son of God" or "second person of the trinity" was praying to himself. IF only the flesh died on the cross, that means God's flesh also DIED (according to John 1:1)

[muslim9x9x]

..And the spirit left his body after he "gave up the ghost", or rather the ghost was the spirit God the Father breathed into him at BIRTH. Logically, if the body DIED and his spirit departed, it wasn't controlling the world when it rotted in the tomb. It's believed the spirit of Christ descended into Hades for 3 days fighting the dragons (Jesus went to Hell) so the Father controlled the world, not the "son of God". Which sounds more stupid? "God the son" or "son of God", both are contradiction!

[muslim9x9x]

Do you notice the similarity between CHRIST and Krishna? The latter is a Sanskrit name for the Hindu god and incarnation of "Vishnu" the preserver of the universe. The Greek word 'Christ' is translated as 'Messiah' in Hebrew, the latter is the Semitic title for any True Messiah (David, for example), the expected liberator of Palestine from the Romans. But it seems your "savior" failed to drive out the Romans, he got annihilated by them! God promised to save ANY Christ-like figure (Psalms 20:6)

[muslim9x9x]

did "God Almighty" pray to himself at the Garden of Gethsemane? OR was it Jesus the SERVANT of God praying to God? Therefore, Jesus is not God.

How does it feel when your Christian brother calls you "nigger?"

[sunilrc]

muslim9x9x: "did God Almighty pray to himself at the Garden of Gethsemane? OR was it Jesus the SERVANT of God praying to God?" According to scripture, Jesus of Nazareth as Incarnate, is also human, and in his humanity lived in a perfect relationship with God (which includues worship/prayer).

[muslim9x9x]

This whole idea or misconstrued notion that Jesus was "God and man" is quite false, as God never changes (Mal 3:6), He cannot dwell on earth or perceptive to the human eye, so "God the Son" destroyed Malach 3:6 and changed His form (John 1:1) to suffer in the very FLESH he created, it's quite PAGAN in every sense. And your Bible says Jesus ascended to Heaven IN THE FLESH which contradicts what Paul said "Flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God". Jesus wasn't resurrected, he came back in the flesh

[sunilrc]

muslim9x9x: "it seems your "savior" .. got annihilated". Resurruction does not quite sound like annihilation. "similarity between CHRIST and Krishna". There can be underlying philosophical intuition that may be legitimate in other religions too. The fulfilmment is seen in the historical Jesus of Nazareth. "IF only the flesh died on the cross, that means God's flesh also DIED". Christ was much more than just flesh. "God never changes". True and incarnation does not change that fact.

[rorymarshall1]

So Your SAYING GOD DOES NOT KNW OWHEN JUDJMENT DAY IS!!!! oh my god!!! "God" who is the only one who know's when judjment day i, does not knwo when judjment day is!! lmao

what a pathetic CONTRADICTION!

[rorymarshall1]

Yes Jesus is GOD! God ALMIGHTY!

Jesus is god, god almighty!! lmao

as chosen by race said.

well if Jesus is "God" then how come he does not know when Judjemnt day is??

Is god not the all knowing the all seeing? then why did jesus not know WHEN judjemnt day was?? why??

BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOD, he does not have the characteristics of god, because he is not god!

[rorymarshall1]

"ask yourself why there are thousands of more converts to Christianity from Islam than vise versa"

please do not make me laugh!!! lmao

Your christian countries are STRUGGLING TO keep your religion from being overtaken by Atheism!!

as far as i'm aware im seeing FAR, FAR more Christian reverts to islam, then muslim converts to christianity.

This is all part of your fairy tales they teach you at church! lol

[sunilrc]

rorymarshall1 : Jesus is what his anointed disciples/apostles believed, written in NT in the first century and proclaimed in the early church they established (and the message for which the disciples/apostles were martyred)

[muslim9x9x]

why do you follow the religion of your slave master?

[sunilrc]

muslim9x9x: In many countries, islam is a religion of foreign invader. How good is an argument is it to ask "why do you follow the religion of your foreign invader"? . Your question "why do you follow the religion of your slave master?" is like that.

[muslim9x9x]

Christianity is also a foreign invader you moron! when the british ruled India they converted some Indians to "Christianity", why do they follow the religion of the british who occupied their country and westernized the Indian culture. Bollywood is now worse than Hollywood! Islam conquered those lands you idiot, it's not a foreign invader. IF that's the case then ever religion (including Buddhism) would be a foreign invader

[sunilrc]

In other words, it does not matter if a religion is a religion of a master or servant or a invader etc. What matters is truth and that should be the focus of attention.

[sunilrc]

muslim9x9x: You are right that Bollywood has some problems. There are some good movies too. But to those who cannot think of anything but lustfulnes etc unless a women is covered from head to toe (and other oppresive restrictions), it presents a different problem altogether.

[rorymarshall1]

listen im sick of your insults to god! you claim jesus is god, really does mock god!

is he really god? is jesus really god?? please

and you being an afro.american christian, you mus tsurley agree with the treatment of your ancestors i.e the whiping & harsh treatment?? do you??

[aburocko]

Jesus Christ was a Palestinian Jew! END OF STORY! Now stop your "white this and white that" if you were to use this argument in Middle-East the Muslims themselves would reject you! Take it from someone who is from that part of the world.

[Juliocyp]

If they "repelled" you with "their bigotry", then why are you being equally offensive when talking about my Lord and Saviour? You are in fact insulting my Lord, and that is probably anything far worse then what they did, simply because we would certainly "know" - there would be many angry responses (i.e. swearing) from Muslims. Yet I follow someone who taught peace. If they or this attitude "repelled" you from Christianity, you obviously have shallow judgment.

[muslim9x9x]

hey man-god worshipper, why do you insult your OWN God by mocking the name 'Allah', a Semitic word derived from the Hebrew 'Elohim' and the Aramaic 'Allaha', sounds similar right? stop worshipping the PAGAN cross and baldhead white

[Juliocyp]

How exactly am I mocking the word Allah? Did you ever, ever see that within what I wrote? I know what Allah means. Hey "una decepción" and "deception" sound similar right? Yeah, shame they don't mean the same thing. I worship YHWH, not Allah, read the Bible. Bless You.

[BJtheBassist]

Arabic Christians refer to God as Allah.

so.......

[Juliocyp]

So???? Arab Christians also refer to YHWH, which in Arabic is "Yahod". Please do not say otherwise. I know Arab speaking Christians.

[Juliocyp]

Well, sir, if you have been disgusted with "Christianity" by "anglo-american arrogance", then that's a real shame. Please, however, do not use that as an excuse for why you "left" Christianity! It is also apparent that there may also be a racial issue; Jesus was a palastinian Jew. Not White European!

[lgazzini]

Just to point out, respectable scholars do not believe Jesus was born on Dec. 25. If that is what your scholar believes, then Mr. White has a point.

[loepower]

Were do I say that the Quran teaches racism.

[loepower]

Where is what i meant

[topdawg911]

Some people are just full pride Akhi, forget about them and let them see the consequences of their actions in the Afterlife.

[loepower]

Jesus was virgin born. Jesus did rise from the grave. The difference between Jesus And the greek myths and other myths is that christ had eyewitnesses to all the things So any similtude between his story and others is inconsquential.people actually saw him after his death. Even islam teaches that he appeared to be crucified. And he ascended into heaven and was virgin born.these things can be said to have similarities in Pagan religions,but the quran supports these. Was muhammed pagan influenced?

[loepower]

There are similarities between islam and christianity. What does that mean. Islam teaches that jesus was virgin born. So Mr. Islam, was Islam copying pagan mythology? Or did Christians just lucked up and got that right. Never thought about that did you? Islam and christianity both teach the virgin birth. So then Islam must have copied the same beliefs from pagans.

[loepower]

Mrislam please read The book of isaiah. You can find all the aspects of Jesus life taught in Isaiah 700 years before his birth. Why would jews have to go outside judiasm when everything about christ is prophesized in the old testament. Virgin birth, incarnation, death for sins resurection, belief in him = salvation. All this is in Isaiah.

[loepower]

Your argument about Joseph Of Arimathaea asking for a live body is absurd. Read Mark. He was dead read the very next verse.Your problem is you honestly think that you can use the quran to interpret the bible. The bible obviously teaches everywhere Christ was crucified he actually died you can't go to the bible to prove otherwise. Christianity doesn't teach racism anymore than the quran. These things were copied from christianity get it right that's what he's saying.

[antichristawakens]

i would say YOU GO MR ISLAM! you have the support of 1.2 billion muslims and more importantly the support of the lord of worlds, the creator of heavens and the earth. when the truth will meet falsehood, falsehood will perish, falsehood is ever bound to perish!

Muslim Here!

[MrIslamAnswersback]

James white . If I did such a terrible Job, Why did Mr White come up to me, after my 1st public debate ever and offer a challenge to Debate him in November. Here this man has been in apologetics since the 80s when I was a Kid. And he comes to challenge me, That says a lot. If Im such a fool, a real Professional Scholar wouldnt even waste his time with me as everyone would see it wouldnt be fair. Its like Boxer Holyfield challenging me after my 1st amatuer debut in the ring.Proof I did well.

[R4V4N4]

I think he wants to debate you because he like me believes you dont understand how un authentic your references are (as far as Osirus Krsna and Mithra)

the argument on greek and everything else im not sure how worthy of an arguement it is. I have to see the video.

If Zeitgeist Refuted was refuted please post a link tnx

[antichristawakens]

cyprian, his point was that this is not the original religion that jesus taught. in bible it says that you cannot make an image or idol of anything in the air, land and the sea. but christians dont miss anything.

Muslim Here!

[R4V4N4]

the reason he is so mad is that you have not cross checked your references with your own research. As a Visnava know many of those comparisons with Krsna are inaccurate though there are strong similarity between Kamsa and Harod. I did my own research on gods after reading a conspiracy book that said that Christianity is a copycat religion and found that there is actually not much similarity and felt a little like JamesWhitewhenIfoundoutthatthi­sauthordidnotcrosscheckhisshit searchZeitgeistrefuted

[MrIslamAnswersback]

Zeitgeist refuted was also refuted, so were back to square 1.

[antichristawakens]

congratulations for your first discussion/debate. i also talk to christians and normally they dont seem to be that stupid but when it comes to christianity, they respond like they are little kids.

take care and good luck for future debates.

ALLAH HAFIZ

Muslim Here!

[MrIslamAnswersback]

As soon, as the Film company sends us our copies, we will post them on Youtube for all to see, inshallah.

[ColourBlind07]

Early Church fathers said that the devil anticipated Christianity and created something that looked like the NT story of Jesus(pbuh). It must be that recent scholars are contradicting the early fathers.

[muslim9x9x]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Or is freedom only blocked when speaking your mind and showing true argumnets. This is the style of our brother, he doesn't need to become "soft" he speaks his mind. can you enter the white house and heckle the president? so much for "freedom of speech", it has limits and boundries. Hence, insulting the Prophet with cartoons was NOT freedom of speech but downright insult and mockery of a religious figure.

No doubt that "christians" are hypocrites

[ColourBlind07]

I expect that they would disagree...it's embarassing.

[nuketurtle]

Where can I watch the full debates?

[ColourBlind07]

Excuse me, but you don't have to be an NT scholar to see parallels in history.

[shakirshuvo]

Salam alaikum brother. Have you video taped the debate. I can't believe that these Christians resorted to making fun of brother Sami's accent cause they can't win a debate intellectually. Thse stupid racist should have no place in a modern society.

[ovaisreza]

My borther you are awesome, May Allah protect you!

[strandome]

You need to let it go! Maybe therapy would help.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

I said right in my video why I am speaking in the manner I am. Just in case you missed it, I'll repeat. Since James White and his proteges came off the way they did, Then why should i be nice. So thus I spoke the way I did in this video.

[KasHCubeD]

But as a muslim, you should still be nice!

[muslim9x9x]

we cannot be nice when "christians" are attacking our faith, overwhelmingly!

we are the true christians,

unite Muslims!

[muslim9x9x]

Assalam alaikum brother.

Please add me as your friend, I have a important message. I want to download your videos and get some information about Christianity, you have great knowledge. youtube won't let me message you

[KasHCubeD]

I don't really have videos on such topics : (

[MrIslamAnswersback]

Of course Christian NT scholarship rejects them. They're christians.

[AnthonyNpplboy]

MrIslam:

Small note on the 'Caucasian' portion of your video - You have to understand that Jesus is Jesus, whether He's Chinese, white, Indian, black, whatever... Jesus is Jesus.

Also,

[AnthonyNpplboy]

Also, why do you keep mentioning that Jesus is a false God-man if you haven't even elaborated for us?