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  • So according to him, it's alright to eat something with a face complete with eyes and a mouth that screams, with red blood like ours, that has feet to run, in short- something that nature has equipped to escape danger- like us. Those are major differences between an animal and a fruit or a vegetable. The next time he feels like having steak why not just jump on a halal slaughtered steer and start knawing away with those flat herbivorian teeth and see what happens. Why cook - it's natural right?

  • This is the highest level of ignorance ever in order to justify the evil deeds of man that comes from his deep ego,greed and lust and can't let go or giveup his filthy physical"needs"for some other higher spiritual purpose and deeper understanding of the universe.fuits are the gift of nature,when you pick a beautiful fruit from a tree-there's no pain cause the tree is the source.the tree keeps making new fruits cause it's a gift.when you cut an animal's leg to eat meat will he grow another one?

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  • wow this video is very negative and just plain wrong!

  • WELL THEN FOR HIS ARGUMENT FRUITARIANS ARE THEY WAY TO LIVE!!!! SO IF HE IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS ARGUMENT THAT KILLING ANIMALS IS ACCEPTABLE THEN HE IS STILL WRONG!!!!!!

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  • for your info nobody cuts down trees to eat them. your argument is very severely flawed. lions and tigers are designed to hunt and kill for survival and not for taste. give a baby an apple and piece of meat. and see for your self.

  • yeh chutia hai

  • who is this ignorant person?

  • noob

  • This guy has a screw loose!

    

  • stupid speech ,he thnk hes the GOD. all the stupid and brainless people agree wt his speech bcz he the head of stupid . I never talk bad about ISLAM or ALLAH. Im telling ths stupid fool dnt knw who give birth of ths syaitan Zakir Naik really make violence among people n wnt people fight each other. Very soon he will get punishment frm his own GOD. He realy Syaitan

  • humans physical structure and digestive system is naturaly suitable to the Fruitarian group :P

  • Maybe not 10 people for any kind of meat, but surely 5 people feed by vegetables against 1 feed by meat!!

  • A big detail people...If you say "vegetable suffer too" I say Ok! Leave out the philosophy reason (I believe in Sanatana Dharma)...A animal, before you kill him, must grow. So you give vegetables to feed him. With the food that you use to feed this animal you can feed 10 people x quantity of meat necessary for 1 person!! So, with world famine, you WASTE foods for 9 people each 1 that you feed with meat! You require it??

  • For Koran I don't know but the question is: what do you need to grow and live healtly? The aswer is: YOU DON'T NEED TO KILL ANIMALS TO EAT! It's scientific! If you can't survive without kill animals it's different, you require it. But to satisfy the taste it's a guilty action, it's Unnecessary killing, it's clear like the water.

  • "eat animal for requirement".... I'm very lucky so I can go in the supermarket and choose what I WANT eat. I've money to choose between meat or vegetables...so I don't need to eat killing animal. Dr. Zakir do you require to eat meat because you need it? In Bible God says that human must eat seeds and the fruit of the earth. In Bhagavad Gita God says that men can offer Him a fruit, milk, vegetables and water, He accept it.

  • Quran 2:263 allah is free of all needs,So Quran is not the message of God and Mohammed is just a Social reformer

  • when we eats the fruit of a plant the plant is not killed, but when we eat flesh the animal is killed, so what is most sacred ? Be a vegetarian, chiken eats waste food and worms, still muslims thinks chiken is Halal and pig is Haram, stupid theory

  • We are people of Sanatam Dharma (Eternal Religion ). You can say Vedic Religion. Your childish talks can charm only childs...

    BG 3.13

    The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.

  • Vegetarians are vegetarians because of many reasons. Man has to eat something, then eating plants (living creatures) is less cruel and more ethical than eating animals. Besides our bodies are not design to either chew or digest meat. Milk was not design for adult humans, It was design just for baby humans (mom's milk) and for the calf to become big fat beef, now you know the reason many fat people grow a hump in their backs. In the end you eat whatever you choice and let others eat veggies :D

  • this guy is talking total bull crap........

  • @srinirare Every one who talk with Logic and brain is considered Bullshit for Hindus, Read the latest research about plants, they have genders, feel pain, if they are ill they cure themselves, you fools,

    Stop drinking cow piss and worshiping human self made Idols, Monkeys, lolz

    May you also leave hindusim and find true GOD.

  • @umair8723

    Trying to justify something which is inhumane, by citing whatever "research", is evil. This guy makes his living by teaching. Even he knows that he is teaching non-sense. Only people like you don't understand. In almost every muslim there is a hidden fanatic and an idiot. Some like you show their foolishness and hatred. No wonder why the countries where you guys are, have problems. Because you are stone age foolish mother fuckers. Nothing can change people like you dick head.

  • all animals have shit inside them and all other yucky stuff and that doesn't disappears when u kill it ! all that stuff still inside the dead animal and you people clean that shit and eat it lol bloody sick shit eaters... thats what u people are and u are trying to justify your shitty actions ! shame on you all

  • @om786swastik No one eat shit or blood of Animals, We Humans eat the meat only..

    In fact Plants also have waste,who said plant dont have waste inside and outside. Their waste also has ammonia that animal waste has, there blood is not red, but they also feel pain. Plants also feel love. They want love. you kill plants for ur taste , shame on u.. :)

  • 1) Plants have not got a soul. Humans have a soul.

    2) Everyone eats plants, so you are also "killing the plants"

    3) Why Be Vegetarian, by Stephen Knapp, search it in youtube.

    Respect to all, Peace

  • @TusharUnalkat

    1:Humans have a soul now? :o

    Got any evidence / something to support that claim with?

  • Plants do NOT have spinal cords. Plants do NOT have the highly developed and complex central nervous systems that most living creatures today have.

    You can't compare the 'pain' a carrot experiences being pulled out of the ground to the pain a cow feels receiving a blade to it's neck. Trying to justify it with this example is very silly.

  • @lastplacewin THANK YOU EXACTLY!

  • Plants do not have a central nervous system... Nonhuman animals feel "pain" exactly the same way humans do. It is not necessary to kill and consume flesh. Cut off a plant and it will still grow --- It's seed nourishes the ground and man. If you cut the throat of an animal it dies forever. This is cruel and unnecessary. Western culture is killing itself with the gluttony of flesh eating - Do not follow this cruel, unhealthy path.

  • I know animals can be intelligent and feel pain, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't eat meat. There are humane ways of killing animals to eat them so they dont feel pain.

  • @toastiecake Are there humane ways of giving them the lives they wish to live? Their lives matter to them just as much as your life matters to you... It is good to treat others as you would like to be treated... Yes? Surely then, you would not want your life to end (no matter how "painless"). ;)

  • Zakir Bhai MBBS

  • if your so called made these animals for you to eat then why didnt he made then like fruits hanging from the tree? why animals run when you hurt them? you people are idiots! nothing more! all you bloody moronic religions are just made to justify your henious actions! all your pathetic religions will be liquidated with time!

  • @Rakshasa47 Hah I just read all your comments on this video and I looove them! I totally agree with you.

  • and above all how would you feel if some alien race invades earth or a bunch of cannibals start to eat your families and babies? and forces you to have sex just to eat them up? bloody morons!

  • you assholes! a farmer waters and takes care of a plant and in the end when the plant dies it gives grains/seeds out! which you eat! seeds are to reproduce thats how they reproduce and same thing goes for fruits! they automatically frall from the tree when they get ripe! idiots like these cant even understand the simplest of the things! why? because these are idiots who know nothing except what they have been told!

  • idiots like these are nothing more than book worms who just cant think anything more than what they read ! no intelligence of there own ! they just tell a bunch of retards about a few scientific things and everyone just start to clap like morons which infact they are ! morons like these are just trying to justify their butchery and their fucking taste for blood and flesh ! even a fucking child knows that demons eat flesh and blood! bloody maggots!

  • plants/trees also have life and they also feel pain but you idiots fruits are made by the tree so that some animal/human eat it and disperse the seeds! thats how they reproduce! trees want you to eat the fruit! and also for all the grains that you eat ! check yourself all grains are end products of the life span of the plant !its wrong to cut green trees/plants and that is true! but eating fruits/grains etc is not wrong! this person proved that he is an idiot when he compared them !bloody morons

  • @Rakshasa47 what about the fruits and vegetables that i buy in the supermarket or on the market? is it ok to eat them? how will i know what good fruit is?

  • @Kapojos ROFL hey you retard ! ROFL eating a unripe fruit may give you stomach ache ! tree doesn't give a shit if you eat ripe fruit or not

    ROFL retards no wonder why the earth is fucked up and you are asking this from that guy rakshasa? its so funny how retards like you think you are so smart ROFL

  • @666vicktor what should i do whit your useless information..? the fact that i look for a good vegetarian way of living is not retarded. i think a person who thinks its cool to use 666 in his name (thats about you!) is more retarded

  • @Kapojos hey you loser fuck off

  • this person is idiot he compared animals and vegetables! 1. fruits and vegetables are byproducts of plants/trees! if you dont eat them they rott and fruits fall automatically from the tree when ripe! its wrong to cut fresh trees ! and that is true

    this person is an idiot. i like his idea about peace among all religions but when he compared animals and plants he proved that he is a moron! more abt vegetarian and animals

  • bullshit dr sahab

  • hindus r scared to listen to dr zakir naiks preechings as he never says to anybody to drink cows urine whch is so dirty n redicolouse hah

  • those who have ability n guts to accept da truth then listen to dr zakir naik's preechngs

  • just stupid ---

  • “Sacredness” is not an argument. The arguments in favor of vegetarianism stem from environmental and cognitive sciences. This speech is just rambling nonsense.

  • @IdaMiaDot Why do you say this? I think it all made sense. I just made a video on vegtarianism and plan to make another one soon. By the way...that accent...I'll agree with anything he says.

  • THis guy is so stupid. I have never seen so many idiots clapping at the rantings of another idiot. What kind of an argument is this? Animals feel pain, suffering and have a soul and we have no rights to kill them, period. Eat vegetables, fruits and stop the unnecessary killing of animals. The karmic resonance in killing animals is very serious and has grave forebodings for the human race.

  • @tolykozin it is now scientifically proven that plants feel pain, so please provide valid evidence to support your argument that killing them is ok but not animals. i am more than willing to listen to your evidence, or if u could point me in the direction of a scientific study that disproves the already conculsive plant-pain-theory that would be appreciated also. thanks.

  • strong words to contemplate.

    i hate mowing the lawn because all the bugs, moles, snakes and frogs get killed by the blades.

    then i found out vegetation could feel, causing me more guilt.

    maybe, humans were'nt meant to hear vegetational frequncies to ease the suffering of guilt, for survival?

    that would mean we hear the cries of animals for a purpose.

  • @888finite888 Damn. Moles, snakes and frogs?

  • This guy is utterly stupid. how people bear this kind of guys.

  • Cry of the plant? Haahaha Dr.Zakar, you could've won a Nobel prize for that...LOL

  • @lcw1980 You made my day

  • this Dr is moron pile of shit

  • Notice the audience is all men!!! LOL. You can be a good muslim without consuming meat.!! I have seen Halal slaughter first hand and believe me...that animal screams and kicks until it's life is gone. This idea that the animal feels no pain is absurd.

  • Am sory i dint notice ur first statement 'ok, agreed' dat shows u r an understanding person n u r not like the other ppl who just comment.. Am sorry once again.. May peace and blessings of Allah be with all of us!!

  • Am sory i dint notice ur first statement 'ok, agreed' dat shows u r an understanding person n u r not like the other ppl who just comment.. Am sorry once again.. May peace and blessings of Allah be with all of us!!

  • shuryans - u better chk mr sooon's comment we dnt jus kill as the seekhs does time to time.. We defend if anybody is coming to attack us.. U cud find loaadz of vidz which shows hw innocent muslim mothers, daughters n da kids are killd if u sear n see in this same website itself.. I dnt wanna argue wiv u.. But try to understand and balance ur thoughts without being defencive thinking as if this is a debate..

  • ok,i agreed.then why Muslims killing other ppl while all life are sacred!!!

  • @TheShuryansh

    why muslims kill, that differs from muslim to muslim ask them...

    but why Islam state killing of other people?

    because sometimes it is necessary, sometimes killing isn't wrong, such as self-defense, fighting oppression and so on...

    there are exceptions to things...

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  • Mashallah Mr.Naik did it again. Peace

  • This guy is a fake

  • yo keyboard or qwerty watever i eat pork and im healthy i read history books not the koran am i evil according to dr zakir?

  • @popomaniac1 Give it a try and read it :)

    Peace and Love :)

  • @MrS0o0N read it? i read some and i was disgusted not only was it a fraud copy from the bible and torah but it was full of evil

    how can the "prophet" be a murder, pedophile, racist?

  • @popomaniac1 The prophet was not murder, pedophile or racist.. Even if i gave you proofs for that, you will say im liar and u will not believe me so i dont care ..

    I ask Allah to guide you to the right path..

    Peace and Love :)

  • Does Islam believe we shouldn't cause unnecessary suffering to animals?

  • @veganath yes they shouldn't eat anything killed in a cruel way its in the quran

  • @jcomesfirst1 I am not convinced that their is anyway to evict the soul of any animal(human or non-human) without causing suffering(cruelty), also the people who kill are unavoidably engaging in violence, which is contrary to the most religious tenets of being peaceful.

    Would Islam have an ethical or moral metric by which to determining undesirable actions.

  • @veganath im not muslin but there always violence in any religion witch trials burning crosses in people lawns holocausts killing in the name of jesus christ a quick jab to the brain with that gun thing well kill it without it feeling its been scientifically proven

  • heres food for thought....some here say that plants dont feel pain.....can you tell me how you or anyone else knows....did the plant tell you that it cant feel pain...do u speak its lingo....lol ..life comes in various forms AND THEY ALL FEEL WHAT THEY FEEL. look at nature, you eat to survive and so u eat what u eat based on your brain that god has given for u to think with...peace

  • please do understand that everything is Gods creation. There are some animals that survive on plants alone,then there are some that eat meat alone and of course those that need both.... this guy is just eplaining that humans percieve one evil lesser then the other as long as they can justify it,,,everyone has a choice and r entiltled to it. Medically and scientifically its proven that a certain amount of protein from animal source give the body a boost for many health benefits from young to old.

  • this is guy is friking idiot. dunt know what is talking about. sala bhole loko ko wrong information deta hain. fucking asshole

  • ...But supposing plants did feel pain, (which they obviously don't according to any respectable scientist), does that mean we should go and eat animals who obviously suffer torture before death. "plants feel pain also, so might as well go out and get the animals too" That's like saying "well since animals feel pain and we eat them, we might as well eat humans too. There is no such thing as ahimsa, or nonviolence, so let's not place any barriers" This would obviously be gruesome moral conduct.

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  • So what do we eat.... I am a vegetarian, but what am I to eat now...?

  • well they ARE professors..... you deside, well if a doctor tell you are sick, you can either believe him or reject him and this information is from different sources and it in the times and you saw how the plants reacted to the music and if they were DUMB plants then why they reacted to it?

  • You cant hear the cry of a fish, well I cant but I can see is struggle.

  • @Averilli1 so are you saying if i put the fish to induce sleep and kill it ,it is ok?

    look on google for do plants feel pain an animal rights and it does indicate that plant do feel fear to some degree

  • You cannot be a vegetarian and Muslim because during Eid you must consume halal meat and during hajj also, it is part of hajj tradition.

  • @MobHeataEnt where does it say in the quran or the sunna you HAVE to eat meat? and what the prophet did in hajj was eat the liver but he did not order his companion and make it compulsory and if you ask the scholars on this issue, it is not part of the fard but sunna(meaning if you do it you get reward and if not , there is nothing on you

  • actually, u guys dun get what he is trying to point out. =)

    try to think deeeper.

  • Dr. Zakir, you lost soul... plant need animals (human's included) to eat their fruits in order to populated the earth... Hence, they are willing to give fruits away. To be truly in-line with God's will, you'll have to take what is given to you willingly. That also means no drinking milk. Why? its not given willingly to humans, the milk was meant for the calf... Nobody is eating the natural diet. Some deviate less from it.

  • and check this from mythbusters watch?v=FhsbM9LxPAk

    now what are they going to eat now

  • to all them morons out there, check on the net

    new york times to vegans plants dont want to be eaten either, now this is from non muslims scientist

  • @sleepup7931 Then what do they eat? Rocks?

  • @dancesonpoles heh maybe ;D, it not a problem in islam to be a vegetarian, BUT in islam it is allowed to eat meat,

  • @sleepup7931 Hmm, interesting. My dad is a muslim and he eats whatever he wants except pork. I'm a vegetarian personally. I don't believe plants can feel pain in the way mammals do.

  • @dancesonpoles so far the test are probable that they do feel fear and pain but the kicking and jerking from the anmal is a message from the brain telling the body that it need blood/oxygen and whatever,. i was just pointing to the fact that some vegetarians say it horrible and cruel and i agree with them to a point BUT in islam you ave to treat the animal with respect and to make a quick and clean kill and this commercial killing on a large scale, is not right , you only kill what you need.

  • The funniest argument of the Non-Vegetarians is the 'protein' requirement but they conveniently forget that all the animals they mostly eat ( unless they eat cat or dog) are naturally herbivorous i.e live on grass or corn.The horse is the symbol of muscle power and horse does not eat meat.There is enough protein in Beans and pulses and somebody try to explain why we feed animals/chicken on corn and plant feeds and then kill and eat them, instead of eat the corn directly

  • @deltaforsedf i agree. plants make fruit specificly to be eaten by animals. which is the plant's way of distributing their seeds

  • Plants are alive, yes, that's a fact, but they have no central nervous system or brains to interpret whatever outer stimuli as pain, whilst animals are sentient living creatures who do, in fact, feel pain, both physically and psychologically. By this man's (non)logic, humans can be killed for consumption too. Also, comparing the taking of a life to giving birth is completely contradictory. This speech is full of fallacies. Talk about the blind leading the blind! This is a perfect example.

  • @RicardoPetinga check on the net plant DO feel pain and it is also said fear

    look on google new york times to vegans plants dont want to be eaten either

    ..hemm are they going to eat now

  • @sleepup7931 Please give me the link to which you found that information... Plants do not have a brain to be able to emotionally translate pain, it has a nervous system not like ours and it only does whats necessary like a process where as animals and humans are far more inclined to participate in life with emotion. I do think this separates the two. More the emotional value of pain rather than pain initially speaking.

  • @Averilli1 i cannot give you a link as youtube does not allow but i gave 2 things to look for

    new york times to vegans plants dont want to be eaten either

    then on youtube

    v=FhsbM9LxPAk

    i cannot give you the whole link you just have to add it

  • @sleepup7931 Okay is any of that official?

  • WoW, these are Islamic "intellectuals" ? I feel sorry for Islam ...

  • @Byron10301 well i guess scientist in america are "inteeecttuals" look on google

    new york times to vegans plants dont want to be eaten either , i feel sorry for the america

  • one should ask this guy how he would feel if a crocodile swallows his child. it is the same feeling that a cow, pig, lamb etc has whenever their kid is slaughtered by humans.

  • Killing an animal is not correct, it is simple as that. You don't need religion to understand that.

    In the olden days people ate meat because they never thought about ethics and morals unlike now. But now we live in 21st century, so people should realise in the name of god or religion killing can not be justified, the poor creature goes through suffering. Is it that difficult to understand that animals who are about to be slaughtered do not smell their destiny when they are in killing queues?

  • senseless ppl never understand ,,,,, can any of u proof dat dr zakir naik iz wrong

    give me sme sense able reason

  • senseless man and dumb audience.

  • @dgvyas can u proof dan wat is reality

    u r actually dumb,,,,

  • Dr. Zakir Naik I would like to congratulate you into fooling innocent people with your idiotic theory. How can you say that plants and animals are the same thing? Does a plant move?, eat?, has emotions? NO. When a vegetarian person eats plants the pluck a fruit or vegtable of it. We don't cut its throat open and take its guts out. Plant grow fruits, grains and vegtables for a reason so we humans can consume it. Do animals grow meat NO we kill it, skin it, wash it, cook it and then consume it.

  • @deltaforcedf plants do move actually, and photosynthesis is their equivalent to eating, and humans are omnivores so we naturally eat both plants and meat. Also, it is equally natural to eat meat as it is to eat vegetables, plants etc. as is clearly demonstrated by all the other animals out their who hunt their pray, it's just a way of life. I don't agree with factory farming though, animals shouldn't be put through any real physical pain which can be avoided.

  • @AshMashDashSplash Dude there is a HUGE difference between Plants and animals. Plants are their for a reason. They provide us with ready made fruits, vegtables, grains and nuts. Besides meat is not ready made in order to feast on flesh of an animal it must be killed and processed. I'm against this guy's pathetic theory of making it seem so easy...

  • @deltaforcedf what and you donot need to process vegtables? no cleaning,skinning,peeling,cook­ing ,nothing at all?!

  • He fail to realise that if everyone is about to eat meat the planet will be in a very dangerous situation ... he talks alot of wrong doing

  • I cannot believe how ignorant this man is; it's getting ridiculous now.

  • i know he should just shut up its embarrassingly stupid. and all his quotations from wherever is fake - he is definitely, one biased lil ol man... @utopianreality

  • CHOP LOGIC, plants grow back....there is no need to eat meat!

  • @ameshabyebye Plants don't grow back. they are REPLACED by new plants, as are animals. In today's world, a meatless diet is possible. In the past, it was not. There isn't any reason to eat meat other than money, but the people of this world are too greedy to give money to those who would need it.

  • @ameshabyebye Wow, your so called logics... Wow, are you serious? It is not even worth to give a reasonable answer, but if you insist I sure will.

  • Illiterate people of evil mind follow this guy , Whereas people who understand the pain & suffering of other living being never agree with the explanation of this foolish guy (Second version of Mohammad) , Most of the people who blindly accept Islam and follow Islam are leading their lief towards Hell . Because this whole universe is rules by Krishna with laws which mention in Vedas & Upanisad . It does not matter how hard they try but this people will expose entirely

  • I believe all life is sacred, but at the same time there is a natural order, in nature other animals do not think about the pain they may be causing other animals, every animal is a predator to something and prey to something else. that is the natural order, I will not kill an insect that is in my house, i will never take an animals life myself, but it is a natural part of being an omnivorous species to be eating meat and vegetation.

  • no issues..why should not we eat a human..this idiot is mindless. he gives mindless examples.

  • The so called Doctor missed one crucial point out, plants do not have a brain, therefore they do not feel pain/emotions unlike animals and humans.

    In this day and age nobody should need to eat meat, we have enough vegetation on this world to feed the entire population, the same cannot be said for animals. If the entire population of Earth were meat eaters we would be in big trouble.

    But i respect the right to free will and those that choose to eat meat should one day we will all learn.

  • @MrPragmatism thank you!

  • All those people who are clapping, pls look deep inside yourself, u will never be able to justfy slaughter of animals.

  • BRAVO

  • Being vegitarian is not about killing the less sensible plant or more sensible animal.

    It is about being concerned to your own sense of compassion and non-violence. The day ppl can listen to a cry of plant they will stop eating them as well but untill that happen they prefer to listen the pain and cry of animals instead of ignoring it

  • Damn i can't wait to sink my teeth into this big juicy steak!

  • human being can survive with vegetarian diet and vegetables are fully ripped at the time of eating as apple,banana etc. Pulses and cereals are died naturally and by eating human being they cleverly use human as protector and grower their kind vegetable also do that indirectly so friend vegetables and fruits and cereals use man as grower and protector of their kind.Use vegetarian diet and not allow dieseases as diebetes, blood pressure and enxiety.Pulses give protein and cereal-carbohydrate

  • This has nothing to do with the religion, but i as a hindu and a non vegetarian wil make following points:

    1. The source of vegetarian food is the fields which were earlier forests n jungles, thus for vegetarian food, vegen dont kill animals, but lead them to extinction as there is no land, no home for the poor animals. eg: African tribals r non-veg n have vast land filled with animals flourishing, while in india we have huge amount of land meant only for the purpose of agriculture.

  • 2. The cows n buffalos in reality r fed the fodder wich in real is the agricultural waste that comes out of the fields

  • 3. The larger part of Indian population is poor and malnourished, anything available in form of food would suffice their need, if the govt n u ppl cant provide ur veg food then why insist on them n us to have veg food.

    4. The human body works according to its surrounding,it is the most evolved animal on this earth as it has learnt the skill of "survival" we non-veg r more evolved n improved species coz we can survive epidemic or any catastrophic event which may b inevitable in near future. 2012

  • 5. The vegen also use fertilizers and pesticides, which kills the soil n kills the animals like rats, piegions, sparrow etc thus almost killing the food chain n the animals so indirectly vegen may not kill animals to eat them, but surely they do kill them

  • @devanshnegi this is a very good point, but the fertilizers and pesticides are an additional practise meant to maximize profit and yield. It is not necessary to do it, in order to produce and eat vegan food. It is not part of the principle. You can be an organic vegan. If you are a dairy and egg consuming vegetarian in America, you indirectly support the beef and poultry industry...you don't have this problem in India for religious reasons.

  • @zeragito we have lacto-vegetarian coming from centuries, the vegans in India are dependent on milk, but as in Hinduism doesn't allow eating beef (milk is from cow n thus cow is considered as mother in Hinduism) thus even non vegens eat any animal other than beef, muslim friends in India dont eat pig cause it is considered impure and unhealthy to eat. But now there is a rise of ppl having eggs in egg products like bakery items etc.

  • @devanshnegi I meant that in India, unlike in the west, it is possible to be lacto-vegetarian without indirectly supporting the meat industry because beef is not eaten for religious reasons. With eggs I am not so sure. I am sure there are enough Indians who do eat chicken for the egg and poultry business to work hand in hand even in India just like in the west. Your points about the ecological consequences of agriculture and the advantage of humans having evolved as omnivores, are interesting!

  • @devanshnegi However I do have some retorts: A. To support the current human population, our food production inevitable will damage the ecology whether it is agricultural, fishing or pastoral. I am of the belief that agriculture does the least damage.

  • @devanshnegi B. Your example of African hunter-gatherers is a little idealized. Less than 2% of Africa's population lives like that. 80% of the population are subsistence farmers, many of them slash and burn agro-pastoralists whose population growth, the ecology is struggling to keep up with. C. Industrial meat production impacts the ecology much more than industrial agriculture. Apart from being the greatest source of greenhouse gasses, it leads to more land-clearing and soil degradation.

  • @devanshnegi D. As humans we may have evolved to be omnivores as a good survival instinct, but remove all the cooked and processed food from our diet (whether vegetables or meat) and this is truly what our digestive system evolved to handle as omnivores. Our biological evolution does not include cooking, fermenting or such things. We cannot digest raw steak, raw potatoes or raw grains. This is where your omnivore argument has flaws.

  • @devanshnegi E. Indeed, the very few hunter-gathering omnivores in Africa may be better for the ecology than the urban vegans in India who rely on industrial agriculture. But our human population and civilization cannot sustain the omnivore diet of neither the African hunter-gatherers, nor the American/western glutons. A vegan world is the most (realistically) sustainable ecologically.

  • @devanshnegi Finally, for people who insist on meat, it should face the most stringent ecological- and ethical regulations as well as taxation, because it's competing with our primary food source (vegatables) for land and resources and is dietarily speaking an unnecessary luxury causing unneeded suffering to sentient beings. As it becomes prohibitively expensive, its prevalence/impact will decrease. It would be great to do the same to agriculture, but it is not possible, we are too many.

  • @zeragito Assuming that everyone in India turns vegetarian for 1 month, then as economics of demand & supply works the price of meat would slowly shift towards vegetables & pulses, for eg chicken cost Rs140/kg, pulses Rs110/kg, slowly it will shift and would continue, now india has 64% non vegetarian & 46% vegetarian as per Indian census, then it wont b long tat the prices of vegetable will double and soon reach to rates as high as Rs300/kg.

  • @zeragito In India and in most of the world the third world countries, underdeveloped have more of people living under poverty line, lower class and middle class family and may b not more than 4-6% rich class people across the globe. It would b stupid to assume tat poor class family have a choiceon being a vegan or non vegan, many times due to rise in prices, people have reverted to eating meat like chicken which can be reared in the backyard, u dont need a 20 acre land for just 20 chickens.

  • @zeragito Although i do believe tat the industrialization of animal husbandry, meat farming has an adverse effect on the environment,much of the water pollution is done by beef factories & pig factories. But if u make regulations u wont face any of the ill effects of this kind. For eg. Cows in us r fed corn instead of fodder etc n its the reason for outbreak of e coli in US, chickens r supposed 2 roam around farm n feed on insects and some grains, goats & sheep can eat grass abundant in farm.

  • @devanshnegi you promote free-range animal husbandry (which I do too) but although that may result in less environmental contamination, it uses much more land than industrial farms. The outbreak of e-coli is not a consequence of the animal feed, it comes from unsanitary conditions. You can get e-coli from vegetables like spinach, that have been irrigated with dirty water (raw sewage), it's not just in meat.

  • @devanshnegi The No. 1 producer of greenhouse gasses, is not industries, it is farm animals. This does not only come from industrial pig and beef farms, it comes from the fact that there are too many farm animals in the world. The ecologically unsustainable quantity of farm animals was caused by us humans who breed them in large numbers to satisfy our unsustainable dietary habits. All these farm animals are the greatest producers of atmospheric methane.

  • @zeragito Animals if given proper food and proper environment wont lead to production of greenhouse gases, it is the industrialized farming where the land is less compared to animal holding and the animal food provided is not naturally according to their natural diet and as per their digestion system. Which leads to production of greenhouse gases. Its very logical that an upset stomach is bound to produce green house gases. that wat i say i am against industrialized farming.

  • @devanshnegi sorry but animals cannot be catered to not produce greenhouse gasses:) That is funny. They produce greenhouse gasses by breathing, digesting and emitting gasses as well as their refuse. Are you going to stop them from doing that?

  • @devanshnegi You cannot feed 1 billion + in India and 7 billion people in the world, with organic farms. It is unfortunate, but we need industrialized farming to make ends meet.

  • @zeragito Assume that we all turn vegans and the animals are set free and for their welfare we provide these animals food. Now as long as they are living they will continue releasing greenhouse gases. And the more they reproduce the more gases is released. So the most obvious option should be slaughter to reduce the release of gases, if so then why waste the slaughter and not feed the hunger.

  • @devanshnegi

    The thing is most meat people eat these days is a result of factory farming. The huge numbers of livestock is only due to the huge demand for meat. If the demand for meat were to cease - the remaining animals slaughtered or released into the wild, these numbers would drastically reduce either way. There is a big difference between wild animals and factory raised animals.

    By the way, are you aware of the wastage that goes into preparing an animal for human consumption?

  • @devanshnegi try to think one step further. Let's say you slaughter all the animals and feed the hungry, will the hungry stay full or get hungry again tomorrow? So then what do you do tomorrow when people are hungry again? Keep feeding them animals? The current population of farm animals is kept high and growing by humans who actively breed more animals. If we were to cease consuming animal products, we could simply stop breeding these animals, even castrate the excessive ones...

  • @zeragito But what is happening is tat every land n machinery is used 2 maximize the profit, remember 2 gain more profit u either increase d price or increase the quantity of the product in d market. Farmers need 2 buy seeds, fertilizers, pesticide to increase quantity n all tis cost money n wit co.s as Monsanto its even worse, many farmers in India have shifted to rabbit farming, poultry, dairies, sold to SEZ or in sponsored farming like Pepsi which is into farming for processed food-chips etc.

  • @devanshnegi I see your point however there is a huge flaw in your space/land usage estimation in terms of animal husbandry. When you say that you can put 20 chickens in your back-yard, it does not mean that your little back yard is the only space used to raise those chickens. There are acres of land that go towards producing food for those 20 chickens. Just like you, who can fit into a small apartment, but it takes much more land that that to produce all the food that you eat during one year...

  • @zeragito first of all I have been closely associated with farming as many of my uncles are into it. The crops take more space than for poultry. for eg one wheat crop consist of 48 seeds and tat is the only consumed part of the wheat the rest goes as fodder (animal food) and similarly for other crops as rice, pulses, vegetables etc. So ur point of growing food separately for animals in reality doesn't hold any point. While the chicken is consumed wholly and can suffice a family of 4 in India.

  • @devanshnegi It is great that agricultural bi-products suffice to feed chicken that can feed family of 4. But when that family is eating chicken after chicken and selling chicken after chicken + eggs...then 48 seeds is not enough:) When it comes to cows, sheep, goats etc. then you need a separate land to provide grazing(non-industrialized) or feed them fodder in stables (industrialized) which is a primary agricultural product (not a bi-product) so you need a separate land to grow food for them.

  • @devanshnegi if all India were to become vegetarian, it would actually result in less land usage than currently. Because all the land previously used to produce food for animals, would be freed up. It takes much less land to produce agricultural products directly for food, than to produce food for animals which in turn become food.

  • I'm a vegetarian because I understand the human digestive system and how we're not meant to eat meat. Of course you can eat meat and live a long, healthy life. It's true. But you can also choose to not kill animals and ingest the bad things in meat as well. And the case for "not killing" is about the ability to "know" you are in pain. Broccoli has no brain. Can we kill your children and eat them? So another species kids is okay, but yours isn't? Stupid humans think we are above nature.

  • It's called FRUITARIANISM.

    Look it up, GENIUSES.

  • Ok bro the man is not attacking anything cuz as i told u before u can be a muslim and a vegetarian. there is nothing wrong with being vegetarian unless u wanna enforce people into adopting ur way. anyway to understand why would the man address such an issue watch the video called "a question posed aggressively by a hindu brother" in the related videos to the end please

  • Plants can cry? What nonsense... can a plant reason? Can it also fear?

    Use your own senses people - is your cat more or less capable of feeling pain than a soya bean? Very poor reasoning indeed.

    He fails to address the economic, social, environmental and health arguments for vegetarianism.

    We can make informed choices unlike animals & I thought Islam demanded people educate themselves?! Become informed, not brainwashed, explore your conscience and live accordingly - unlike this man.

  • This guy dont know the truth . Please stay away from this guy.

  • Could you please tell us what is the truth?

  • The truth is all over the internet - it may not come presented in a way that you feel comfortable with.

    This particular video is really very poor - I would enjoy talking with this man in person because I think he misses many important issues and really oversimplifies the reason why people might become vegetarian. I would enjoy exploring these with him. For a start, animals are fed plants - so if what he says is true, eating meat kills even more lives than if you just ate plants yourself :-)

  • Really, is he oversimplifing?? what he addressed in this video is the main arguement for all the vegetarians i have encountered except for certain religious groups such as Jehovah's Witnesses. but hey i'd be happy to hear other arguments and reason for being a vegetarian. after all that's ur right.

  • however regarding ur arguement that if we killed an animal we would be killing more lives i'd say that by killing the animal u'r actually saving more plants from being eaten by that animal not to mention saving more plants from being eaten by replacing them on people's plates occasionally.