Its upsetting to see how the iq system, originally created to identify and help children who where intellectually disadvantaged has become just another digit for people like rick rosner to capitalize on for the sake of his own ego.
So many scientists, philosophers etc work geniunilly hard for the good and development of our society and get no recognition for it, whilst these people (langan, rosner and carney) are falsly labelled as the spear head of a drive they do not push.
@kandikid2308 Re: Naida Camukova, I said “supposedly”, because according to a number of reports she is running some type of genius scam/sham to get swindle millions of dollars for her associated organization. Most of the discussion on her his in Turkish (which is hard to translate), which is why I am unable to speak with certainty. FYI on your previous post IQ misogyny accusations, see the “smartest woman ever” table (pull down link).
Why hasn't Einstein won 2 nobelprizes. He got his prize for the foto electric effect before the theory of relativity. But relativity was really really groundbreaking, so why hasn't he recieved a nobel prize for that theory? When general relativity was proved shouldn't he have got his 2nd nobel prize?
Additionally, the order of Calculus inventors are:
1) Archimedes
2) Leibniz
3) Newton
Newton was the first person to whom Leibniz communicated his ideas, and Newton was in charge of the Academy's council when the challenge of its creation by Newton was brought forward. Surprise! Newton decided it was all him. He must have decided notation was the deciding factor...because modern historians give this one to Leibniz.
Or, as "Robot Chicken" paraphrased Newton's summation: 1+1= deez nutz!
Interesting Fact: Factoid means resembling a fact, not a small fact.
Examples
Factlet: The surface of the Moon is covered in unweathered silicates called, "Regolith."
Factoid: Lunar soil, while possessing no significant surrounding atmosphere, can and may support carbon based life inside the grains and rocks of its regolith.
A further note: it is premature to judge the total life outcome of people who are still living - like several on your list. You compare incomplete lives to a complete one: Mill and they draw a false conclusion since like is not being compared with like. This is not strong reasoning. You would have to wait until the lives in question had been completed, before making any comparison, or drawing any final conclusions, as you have.
Not only that, but you go on to say that only Mill seems to have panned out, in the long run. Again, how can you speak of long run, when Ainan Cawley, for example, is still a young boy...there has yet been no long run, in his case. The evidence regarding him, is suggestive that he is likely to "pan out" in the end, too...after all, he has already made a couple of personal scientific contributions and is, I understand, working on others.
You don't know much about some of the people you write about, do you? Ainan Cawley's family have specifically expressed the understanding that Ainan was BORN the way he is - NOT made. There are a lot of exceptional people in his family...brothers, uncles, cousins, you name it. Not only that, but they have expressed much doubt about the idea of genius being "made" in the way you believe. You are putting false words in people's mouths...or in the Cawley's mouths, at least.
@notengonickcojones There’s a section on this topic (Parentally-created geniuses) on the IQ: 200+ page (pulldown), discussing John Stuart Mill, Adragon de Mello, William Sidis, Edith Stern, Polgar sisters, Sufiah Yusuf, and Asia Carrera, Michael Kearney, and Ainan Cawley, whose fathers are of the general motto "Geniuses are made, not born", in roundabout speak. Mill seems to be the only one that panned out in the long run.
Mlawren7: What kind of reasoning is that? That's just a seeeping generalisation. In otherbwords, you're calling people who do well in school foolish because they value education more than you do.
I consider myself quite intelligent, but in the high-normal range. I would even consider myself a bit of a nerd. But what child would WANT to learn Pi to 500 places? Who would WANT to graduate college at ten? Only someone who believed formal education was everything; only a child or a fool, in other words.
...And then you read about modern interpretations of IQ and discover that it is, in fact, wildly culturally biased towards people who's native language is English and lack a med. condition.
There is no denying that many, if not all, of these individuals are of truly superior intelligence. I mean, graduating college at the age of 10? That takes a truly gifted individual, but there is an explanation beyond the simplistic notion of IQ that determines the cause behind their superior brain function.
@Antitroll2011 Re: “I mean, graduating college at the age of 10? That takes a truly gifted individual”, not necessarily: if you read Kearney’s biography, you will see that his early development was largely the result of his father’s work (regrets that he wasn’t there to control his wife’s anorexia during the birth). As Aaron Stern, commented on his daughter, “ I could foster the same meteoric IQ in the children of the Tasaday tribe”. See “parentally-created geniuses” (IQ: 200+ page, pulldown).
@PolitcalIslam : Being a member of Mensa myself, I couldn't agree more. I find it far easier to spot real genius in a Comic-Con convention, a boardgame store or any other location where geeks generally hang out than in Mensa, an organisation containing only people at the upper 2% of the IQ scale. Although there certainly are some really intelligent people hanging around at Mensa, true genius seems no more common in Mensa than in the general population. And some Mensa members are plain morons.
@DoNotLaughAtMe : I wouldn't qualify my experiences with fellow Mensa members vis-a-vis fellow geeks as "personal information", but anyway... How should I be judging Mensa members and what makes you say I'm biased? How many Mensa members do you know personally and how often do you frequent geek hangouts? What information do you have that I'm lacking? And would you consider a Creationist Christian consistently misspelling his mother tongue and rambling incoherently indicative of intelligence?
@OutOfTheBoxThinker Are you asking if I am a christian or is it the other way around ? If you are a christian, good day. If not then....
yeah just forget it. I'm too lazy to understand something like this. It will really take a long time to fully understand. What I mean is gathering valid data of everything you said. I'm sceptical about mensa members being moron,and finding geniuses.
To me it feels biased. You have no credibility. Anecdotal evidence don't count for me.
@DoNotLaughAtMe : At the local board game store, genius level intelligence is easy to find as most players are engineers or scientists. I actually just came from there, where I played a game with two civil engineers (one going for his PHD) and an industrial engineer. On the other hand, in Mensa you find people lacking the most fundamental comprehension of logic that make you wonder the validity of IQ tests altogether. This includes a guy who believes Jesus literally walks and talks with him ;-)
Damn. I always thought I was somewhat because I mastered what is taught as the first two courses of college calculus, much more than what Leibniz had come up with. Additionally, isn't it ironic that Marie Curie is one of the most highly ranked women on the list, yet people still believe that Poles are intellectually inferior. I know that she is an extreme example, but she is a well-known example.
It is difficult to know what any of them will ultimately accomplish: it all depends on whether they want to do what you think they should do. I do note, however, that one of the boys in this video - Ainan Celeste Cawley - is co-author on two scientific papers on work done when he was eight years old. So, certainly, I would be unsurprised to see him doing interesting things. He is already making contributions, after all. Perhaps some of the others are busy too, I don't know.
High IQ may mean you're intelligent, but it doesn't qualify someone as a genius. Most of these people will never make massive advancements in their fields the way Newton, Darwin, Pasteur, Freud, Tesla, etc.; true geniuses.
I understand that this list is just based on the IQ level, but sometimes IQ is not the only determination of how smart someone is. It also comes down to how well you percieve things around you and your fundamental understanding of life, which doesn't always coincide with a high IQ. Einstein can stand for a good example of this, as well as many other people in history.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein
Of course, just look at some people with Autism with exceptional talent in different areas but who have absolutely no ability to pick up on social cues or expressions, as an extreme example. But this is also just the reality of the different characteristics that exist with the human condition, genetic, environmental who is to judge what is more important; of course a high level in both IQ and EQ would be nice.
@petecabrina : Actually, many autistic people learn to pick up social cues and expressions as they get older. Autism is just a lack of intuition. The more intelligent an autistic person, the more capable they are of gradually replacing intuitive skills with rational behaviors that mimic those intuitive skills as closely as possible. Also, their lack of intuition has its perks. Autistic people can become better psychologists than normale people precisely because they lack intuitive prejudice.
Maybe a clinical psychologist for diagnosis, which I barely believe constitutes much in a field that is overly subjective but any decent analyst (a real psychologist) requires a great deal of intuition, insight and experience, rare even in the general population. Thanks for the reply though, interesting that autistic people can learn to pick up on expressions, even a little unusual to then mimic them without really understanding the emotional basis.
@petec : People with autism (especially Asperger's) can develop analytical skills far greater than that of the average population, because they're barely affected by prejudice and forced to use logic in daily life. I would agree that such people would be very poor therapists as this requires high intuitive skills, but when it comes to setting a diagnosis and analysing human behavior objectively they can learn to outcompete and "normal" psychologist with ease with enough experience and training.
Just as corporations model themselves on the exponentially highest order in the physical universe human body) o too we can extrapolate that even further into using our corporate structure when solving a problem and see how that the highest and therefore most vital position in the structure of the most successful corporations is the visionary or conceptual part,as in the late Steve Jobs of Apple. So from this,"The person with the most superior concept of any worthwhile subject has the highest IQ.
For any worthwhile problem to be as good as solved all one needs to make the solution as good as solved it two things:1) ability and 2) opportunity according to the saying, "Man proposes, God disposes," where ability or "the right action of the human will,' is man's part(to be bothered) and God, in His infinite Providence, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from teh Father of lights in whom is no variableness, neihter shadow of turning," supplies all the rest.
Just as din hp(at the wheel)is more meaningful than at the crankshaft,so also it is with IQ.What is more meaningful to all organic beings, s the ability to miss as few opportunities as possible. Most intel/quotients are geared to measure relative degrees of opportunity rather than an impeachable record that can stand up to the closest possible scrutiny of missing as few opportunities, or in the case of the higest IQ to walk the earth 'No opportunities missed." Jesus Christ is the only candidate!
ntelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
Furthermore, Ainan's little brother, Tiarnan, (not mentioned above), was using four word, grammatically correct sentences at five months old. This was slower speech development than Ainan...but still rather quick. He is precocious too, but less so than his elder brother. So, these things clearly run in families.
@MrTrueGenius They were pretty advanced sentences. That being said, I certainly wasn't doing anything like what Ainan was. I obviously don't remember what things I would say exactly, but my parents say that they had never seen someone speak so well at such a young age. They also say that I would ask really hard, complicated questions that they never knew the answer to, lol. That was a few years later though. I really don't think it's an accurate measure of IQ though. Einsten didn't speak till 4
I think it depends on how complex your sentences are, at 12 months, and what you are saying. Remember, a typical child doesn't say their first WORD until about a year old. To be saying complete sentences before then, is rather unusual. Ainan, one of the kids referenced above, was engaging in logical, rational argument using complete and complex sentences long before his first birthday. This is very unusual. He was even commenting on the relationship between experiment and opinion
What's so special about talking at age one? I could speak full sentences before I was a year old. Sure, I am quite a bit above average, but I'm definitely not a super-genius.
@crazysis98 No, everyone is not a "genious" in their own way, if we're to assume that genius is defined as exceptional ability. Be in math, art, linguistics, etc. The vast majority of people have exceptional ability in nothing and thus cannot accurately be called genius.
@ToaoRaj do not judge someone on their ability to so one thing. For if you judge a fish on their ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life thinking it's stupid.
kim peek has an iq is 87 and he has photographic memory, and superb mathematic abilities. Defies your precious iq test.
I don't like to believe that higher iq determines your intelligence. The human brain is an incomprehensible machine. There's nothing in high iq brains that we regular iq brains have. They have more neuron connections possibly but that is grown through training. IQ is overrated.
@breakdancer100 Kim Peek had eidetic memory but not "superb" mathematical abilities; apart from his ability of calendrical calculation, which is a talent many savants (particularly those with low IQs) possess. Also, IQ is a great indication of one's intelligence (if not the greatest indication available) and Kim Peek isn't an exception as he wasn't intelligent. He merely had eidetic memory. Memory isn't the same as, nor an indication of, intelligence.
@ToaoRaj Ok. If Kim peek memory isn't intelligence then what is intelligence? Isn't everything that we regurgitate all come from memory? How does IQ determine someones intelligence? I know I play guitar fairly well, but my professor who says he has an IQ of 140 ask me for guitar tips. If he has 40 points on IQ on me why ask me for tips, after all his IQ shows that he is smarter than me?
And actually Kim Peek have superb mathematical abilities.
@breakdancer100 Intelligence, in my mind, is mental capability. One's ability to comprehend complex ideas, reason, learn from experience, solve problems, etc. Memory certainly aids in mental capability, but isn't, itself, intelligence or indicative of it. Your professor's IQ of 140 doesn't mean he would know how to play the guitar without ever learning it. Perhaps he asked you for tips because he's aware that you played the guitar and would be of help, rather than him being too stupid to do it.
@breakdancer100 Also, I'm curious as to what "superb mathematical abilities" you believe Kim Peek to have possessed. Again, he was great (as are most low IQ savants) at calendrical calculations, but I'm unsure whether or not he would struggle with basic arithmetic. What proof is there of his "superb mathematical abilities"?
@breakdancer100 dam i assumed he had superb mathematical abilities cause the movie portrayed it so, yet I can not find any evidence at the moment. Yet still, intelligence is a complicated subject, and IQ is not even close to describing it.
@Shihan01011 Don't worry. Get your grades and do something good with your life :) You sound like you're probably very smart, and its good to see that you're still staying humble and honest.
Sometimes i wish i were as smart as some of these people, but it seems as though their lives are completely focused around work and heavy mental tasks. They almost seem robbed of a light and fun existence, and instead left to the heavy, almost burdensome weight of having to be a mental workhorse.
@justinroseart Believe it or not, but there are people who actually enjoy doing what you perceive as a heavy labor (ask f.e. a world class weight lifter if 300 pounds is heavy for him), and there are such people that don't have fun doing what others do when they're having fun.
You don't know very much about IQ. The IQs beyond 200 in this film are generally RATIO IQs. That is they are a measure of mental age divided by chronological age. An IQ of 400 in this case means that the child has a mental development four times greater than average for their age. There is NO REASON why this could not be so. That IQ number would be different if written as a deviation IQ (the type of measurement you are referring to). You have confused two different measurements.
@HumanChemistry101 my teacher told me that intelligence is divided in many dfferent typed of intelligence or skills which is nto necesarrily related to books or school but also painting, social, literature,and even sport (which ppl tend to believe is only fisical skill). And based on all tehse different type of inteligence is difined assomeone who exceeds the average in all these (even if he rather focus mroe in a specificl he is still gifted in all others);" 1st part of my comment"
So based on what i was told a genious is doesn't that mean all these people who we declare genius are polyphacetic? does that mean einstein, hawkins (b4 his desiese screw him to wheelchair) and all these were goood in even sports and art? Or was teh definition of genius given to me is wrong at it just involve academic intelligence
The word "genius" has lost all its value. Parents pound science and mathematics down their kids throats when they are babies and then claim their kids have extreme intelligence, though they have contributed nothing to society, and have done nothing in particular to earn the title over time. Even I have a "genius level" IQ and was considered a "prodigy" but I feel I definitely don't deserve that title based on an arbitrary number and academic success. Its all so ignorant and meaningless.
A little wake up cal here: NOBODY CAN HAVE AN IQ OF 400. THAT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE. IQ goes from 25 and under (profound mental retardation) to as high as 200 or even 210 (Kim Ung Yong). Anything beyond 210 simply does not happen. Study the IQ rarity charts.
Very intelligent people can actively choose average jobs for various reasons. Is it really reasonable to use ''he only works as this now'' as an argument for that people don't have a 200+ IQ, especially if they've got extraordinary prior achivements?
Idk who or what you're refering to with "ITC", but although you're correct pointing out one psychological phenomena and explanation, this is really only applicable to a small percentage of people. There's almost equally many with high IQs that criticize IQtests, but usually with better arguments, and not as wholesome discarding. There are scientific parallells and evidence for correlation, but it's quite controversial whether 1) IQ = whole intelligence, and 2) how accurate IQtests are
I really liked this. very comprehensive and interesting.
Can you explain, "Indecision is often the forerunner to intellectual freezeup and the inability to act" to me?
I was reading what the former Mensan president thought about some intellectuals and how they often did not get anywhere because they were so smart they could see tiny mistakes and so wouldn't do anything until they could eliminate that problem.
I feel like I may be one of them... and it worries me.
@HumanChemistry101 lol who fucking cares what his "estimated IQ" was? look how much he contributed to humanity. he invented, problem solved and discovered things in 30 years, that would take the average human 300 years to do. IQ is so overrated it's not even funny.
Memorizing things are what books and computers are for lol. If your good at memorizing things it doesn't make you a genius, it just makes you good at jeopardy.
@ParadoxPerspective Note: as of 30 Apr 2011, Tesla has been added to the online list (#13), as three (weak) references have been found citing him with an IQ in the 200+ range; plus (a) he owned a thorough collection of Goethe’s scientific texts and read these to the exclusion of all other philosophies, and (b) for his article “The Problem of Increasing Human Energy”, in which he concludes (correctly) that "there is no thing endowed with life" (one of the more difficult of problems).
What's so special about IQ? Contributions show true genius, since contributions show what you can do beyond IQ test puzzles, beyond learning and beyond memorization
You ARE wrong. IQ is measured in comparison with others YOUR OWN AGE. Of course you become "smarter", or have a higher IQ than someone younger than you, if you allow the comparison (between different ages). This is however completely unscientific (to measure IQs comparing different ages not compared with equals) and can at best only be used to prove that one becomes "smarter" the older one becomes. ALSO, you do not actually perform any better at matrix IQ-tests when older :-) (18+)
@luthmhor Let’s not all be hating on poor Adragon De Mello. It took me at least a couple of years to even find that 400 IQ. It was calculated by his father when Adragon was four years old. Yes, of course, the calculation was a screw-ball misapplication of Terman’s 1916 IQ formula. Spend a little time reading Adragon’s story and you will see that his father was more than a little bit crazy; his whole story would probably make for a good movie.
@meatisdeliciouse The standard formula to determine IQ was devised in 1916 by Lewis Terman as a device to test for the “average student” (IQ=100) plus or minus 40 points, give or take, after which the formula begins to fall apart, so to speak. Many parents (and child psychologists) use and abuse the original Terman formula to tell naïve children that their so-and-so test score, owing to a young age, means that they are smarter than Newton. These are what are called false-positive IQ estimates.
@HumanChemistry101 I see, I once wread in a book somewhere that they can mesure brain inteligance buy the amount of energy it uses to work stuff out, the less energy used aparantly, the more inteligent the brain is or something like that.
Its upsetting to see how the iq system, originally created to identify and help children who where intellectually disadvantaged has become just another digit for people like rick rosner to capitalize on for the sake of his own ego.
So many scientists, philosophers etc work geniunilly hard for the good and development of our society and get no recognition for it, whilst these people (langan, rosner and carney) are falsly labelled as the spear head of a drive they do not push.
b0bthekillar 2 weeks ago
Adragon De Mello works at Home Depot now. Lol.
spacitydrummer4JC 2 weeks ago
I like how for all the men you state their accomplishments without hesitation but when it came to the woman you said, "supposedly..."
kandikid2308 3 weeks ago
@kandikid2308 Re: Naida Camukova, I said “supposedly”, because according to a number of reports she is running some type of genius scam/sham to get swindle millions of dollars for her associated organization. Most of the discussion on her his in Turkish (which is hard to translate), which is why I am unable to speak with certainty. FYI on your previous post IQ misogyny accusations, see the “smartest woman ever” table (pull down link).
HumanChemistry101 3 weeks ago
If these guys are so smart why don't they come up with a an energy alternative to oil?
colmonhs 3 weeks ago
Why hasn't Einstein won 2 nobelprizes. He got his prize for the foto electric effect before the theory of relativity. But relativity was really really groundbreaking, so why hasn't he recieved a nobel prize for that theory? When general relativity was proved shouldn't he have got his 2nd nobel prize?
dekippiesip 3 weeks ago
Mutants! Iam jealous.
000000000SAM00000000 1 month ago
Additionally, the order of Calculus inventors are:
1) Archimedes
2) Leibniz
3) Newton
Newton was the first person to whom Leibniz communicated his ideas, and Newton was in charge of the Academy's council when the challenge of its creation by Newton was brought forward. Surprise! Newton decided it was all him. He must have decided notation was the deciding factor...because modern historians give this one to Leibniz.
Or, as "Robot Chicken" paraphrased Newton's summation: 1+1= deez nutz!
akashashen 1 month ago
Interesting Fact: Factoid means resembling a fact, not a small fact.
Examples
Factlet: The surface of the Moon is covered in unweathered silicates called, "Regolith."
Factoid: Lunar soil, while possessing no significant surrounding atmosphere, can and may support carbon based life inside the grains and rocks of its regolith.
Guess which one is bullshit.
akashashen 1 month ago
Rofl....studied so much she had a brain hemorrhage...im using that one when my homeworks late...
xkoenigseggx 1 month ago
then she ran away from turkey.and never came back again
esraretin 1 month ago
from where did u find Nadia Camukova? in turkey they said she was a liar. she didnt have even Phd.
esraretin 1 month ago
I'm in the upper 0.5 percent! For sure, I have it in writing from a psychologist! : )
winterstellar 2 months ago
High intelligence, zero modesty...
Ascaithe 2 months ago
This makes being freakishly smart sound SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cool
noentrie 2 months ago
@HumanChemistry101
"they draw" should be "then draw" of course. Typo.
MrTrueGenius 3 months ago
@HumanChemistry101
A further note: it is premature to judge the total life outcome of people who are still living - like several on your list. You compare incomplete lives to a complete one: Mill and they draw a false conclusion since like is not being compared with like. This is not strong reasoning. You would have to wait until the lives in question had been completed, before making any comparison, or drawing any final conclusions, as you have.
MrTrueGenius 3 months ago
@HumanChemistry101
Not only that, but you go on to say that only Mill seems to have panned out, in the long run. Again, how can you speak of long run, when Ainan Cawley, for example, is still a young boy...there has yet been no long run, in his case. The evidence regarding him, is suggestive that he is likely to "pan out" in the end, too...after all, he has already made a couple of personal scientific contributions and is, I understand, working on others.
MrTrueGenius 3 months ago
@HumanChemistry101
You don't know much about some of the people you write about, do you? Ainan Cawley's family have specifically expressed the understanding that Ainan was BORN the way he is - NOT made. There are a lot of exceptional people in his family...brothers, uncles, cousins, you name it. Not only that, but they have expressed much doubt about the idea of genius being "made" in the way you believe. You are putting false words in people's mouths...or in the Cawley's mouths, at least.
MrTrueGenius 3 months ago
2:13 Too fucking loud!
Jotto999 3 months ago 4
These are parent made-geniuses: read about Sufiah Yusof.
notengonickcojones 3 months ago
@notengonickcojones There’s a section on this topic (Parentally-created geniuses) on the IQ: 200+ page (pulldown), discussing John Stuart Mill, Adragon de Mello, William Sidis, Edith Stern, Polgar sisters, Sufiah Yusuf, and Asia Carrera, Michael Kearney, and Ainan Cawley, whose fathers are of the general motto "Geniuses are made, not born", in roundabout speak. Mill seems to be the only one that panned out in the long run.
HumanChemistry101 3 months ago
Mlawren7: What kind of reasoning is that? That's just a seeeping generalisation. In otherbwords, you're calling people who do well in school foolish because they value education more than you do.
jakegamesnake 3 months ago
I consider myself quite intelligent, but in the high-normal range. I would even consider myself a bit of a nerd. But what child would WANT to learn Pi to 500 places? Who would WANT to graduate college at ten? Only someone who believed formal education was everything; only a child or a fool, in other words.
mlawren7 3 months ago
@mlawren7 i may be wrong. but curiosity and the thirst for learning could drive an intellectually superior child to to excel at formal educations.
880330145789 3 months ago
...And then you read about modern interpretations of IQ and discover that it is, in fact, wildly culturally biased towards people who's native language is English and lack a med. condition.
There is no denying that many, if not all, of these individuals are of truly superior intelligence. I mean, graduating college at the age of 10? That takes a truly gifted individual, but there is an explanation beyond the simplistic notion of IQ that determines the cause behind their superior brain function.
Antitroll2011 4 months ago 5
@Antitroll2011 Re: “I mean, graduating college at the age of 10? That takes a truly gifted individual”, not necessarily: if you read Kearney’s biography, you will see that his early development was largely the result of his father’s work (regrets that he wasn’t there to control his wife’s anorexia during the birth). As Aaron Stern, commented on his daughter, “ I could foster the same meteoric IQ in the children of the Tasaday tribe”. See “parentally-created geniuses” (IQ: 200+ page, pulldown).
HumanChemistry101 4 months ago 5
How many yr until someone came up with a way to alter all unborn gene to be like all of these guys :)) promoting equality here (yh I'm jealous!)
Gimcrackz 4 months ago
IQ measure little more than your ability to take an IQ test. g and IQ correlate positive, but IQ is a terrible means of measuring intelligence.
PolitcalIslam 4 months ago
@PolitcalIslam : Being a member of Mensa myself, I couldn't agree more. I find it far easier to spot real genius in a Comic-Con convention, a boardgame store or any other location where geeks generally hang out than in Mensa, an organisation containing only people at the upper 2% of the IQ scale. Although there certainly are some really intelligent people hanging around at Mensa, true genius seems no more common in Mensa than in the general population. And some Mensa members are plain morons.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 4 months ago 3
@OutOfTheBoxThinker That seems really biased. Now give an honest statement about it. So much personal information.
DoNotLaughAtMe 2 months ago
@DoNotLaughAtMe : I wouldn't qualify my experiences with fellow Mensa members vis-a-vis fellow geeks as "personal information", but anyway... How should I be judging Mensa members and what makes you say I'm biased? How many Mensa members do you know personally and how often do you frequent geek hangouts? What information do you have that I'm lacking? And would you consider a Creationist Christian consistently misspelling his mother tongue and rambling incoherently indicative of intelligence?
OutOfTheBoxThinker 2 months ago
@OutOfTheBoxThinker Are you asking if I am a christian or is it the other way around ? If you are a christian, good day. If not then....
yeah just forget it. I'm too lazy to understand something like this. It will really take a long time to fully understand. What I mean is gathering valid data of everything you said. I'm sceptical about mensa members being moron,and finding geniuses.
To me it feels biased. You have no credibility. Anecdotal evidence don't count for me.
DoNotLaughAtMe 2 months ago
@DoNotLaughAtMe : At the local board game store, genius level intelligence is easy to find as most players are engineers or scientists. I actually just came from there, where I played a game with two civil engineers (one going for his PHD) and an industrial engineer. On the other hand, in Mensa you find people lacking the most fundamental comprehension of logic that make you wonder the validity of IQ tests altogether. This includes a guy who believes Jesus literally walks and talks with him ;-)
OutOfTheBoxThinker 2 months ago
@OutOfTheBoxThinker I agree that the IQ test kinda doesn't work. Maybe he cheated, who knows. Intelligence is a hard thing to rate on.
Maybe you think they are genius because they are in the creative/innovation jobs. Most jobs are manual, and mental. Few innovation/creative jobs.
Sigh believing in things sometimes makes you stupid.
DoNotLaughAtMe 2 months ago
Damn. I always thought I was somewhat because I mastered what is taught as the first two courses of college calculus, much more than what Leibniz had come up with. Additionally, isn't it ironic that Marie Curie is one of the most highly ranked women on the list, yet people still believe that Poles are intellectually inferior. I know that she is an extreme example, but she is a well-known example.
PolitcalIslam 4 months ago
@callumAS.
It is difficult to know what any of them will ultimately accomplish: it all depends on whether they want to do what you think they should do. I do note, however, that one of the boys in this video - Ainan Celeste Cawley - is co-author on two scientific papers on work done when he was eight years old. So, certainly, I would be unsurprised to see him doing interesting things. He is already making contributions, after all. Perhaps some of the others are busy too, I don't know.
MrTrueGenius 4 months ago
High IQ may mean you're intelligent, but it doesn't qualify someone as a genius. Most of these people will never make massive advancements in their fields the way Newton, Darwin, Pasteur, Freud, Tesla, etc.; true geniuses.
callumAS 4 months ago 2
I understand that this list is just based on the IQ level, but sometimes IQ is not the only determination of how smart someone is. It also comes down to how well you percieve things around you and your fundamental understanding of life, which doesn't always coincide with a high IQ. Einstein can stand for a good example of this, as well as many other people in history.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein
ReaIDeaI1 5 months ago
@ReaIDeaI1
Of course, just look at some people with Autism with exceptional talent in different areas but who have absolutely no ability to pick up on social cues or expressions, as an extreme example. But this is also just the reality of the different characteristics that exist with the human condition, genetic, environmental who is to judge what is more important; of course a high level in both IQ and EQ would be nice.
petecabrina 5 months ago
@petecabrina : Actually, many autistic people learn to pick up social cues and expressions as they get older. Autism is just a lack of intuition. The more intelligent an autistic person, the more capable they are of gradually replacing intuitive skills with rational behaviors that mimic those intuitive skills as closely as possible. Also, their lack of intuition has its perks. Autistic people can become better psychologists than normale people precisely because they lack intuitive prejudice.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 4 months ago
@OutOfTheBoxThinker
Maybe a clinical psychologist for diagnosis, which I barely believe constitutes much in a field that is overly subjective but any decent analyst (a real psychologist) requires a great deal of intuition, insight and experience, rare even in the general population. Thanks for the reply though, interesting that autistic people can learn to pick up on expressions, even a little unusual to then mimic them without really understanding the emotional basis.
petecabrina 4 months ago
@petec : People with autism (especially Asperger's) can develop analytical skills far greater than that of the average population, because they're barely affected by prejudice and forced to use logic in daily life. I would agree that such people would be very poor therapists as this requires high intuitive skills, but when it comes to setting a diagnosis and analysing human behavior objectively they can learn to outcompete and "normal" psychologist with ease with enough experience and training.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 4 months ago
Just as corporations model themselves on the exponentially highest order in the physical universe human body) o too we can extrapolate that even further into using our corporate structure when solving a problem and see how that the highest and therefore most vital position in the structure of the most successful corporations is the visionary or conceptual part,as in the late Steve Jobs of Apple. So from this,"The person with the most superior concept of any worthwhile subject has the highest IQ.
proSpiritofTruth 5 months ago
For any worthwhile problem to be as good as solved all one needs to make the solution as good as solved it two things:1) ability and 2) opportunity according to the saying, "Man proposes, God disposes," where ability or "the right action of the human will,' is man's part(to be bothered) and God, in His infinite Providence, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from teh Father of lights in whom is no variableness, neihter shadow of turning," supplies all the rest.
proSpiritofTruth 5 months ago
Just as din hp(at the wheel)is more meaningful than at the crankshaft,so also it is with IQ.What is more meaningful to all organic beings, s the ability to miss as few opportunities as possible. Most intel/quotients are geared to measure relative degrees of opportunity rather than an impeachable record that can stand up to the closest possible scrutiny of missing as few opportunities, or in the case of the higest IQ to walk the earth 'No opportunities missed." Jesus Christ is the only candidate!
proSpiritofTruth 5 months ago
@ASwiftHippie
ntelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
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@ASwiftHippie.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
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@ASwiftHippie.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
MrTrueGenius 5 months ago
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@ASwiftHippie.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
MrTrueGenius 5 months ago
@ASwiftHippie.
Intelligence is, most probably, made of many components. There are different aspects to it. This was initially opined by Howard Gardner, I believe, with his "Multiple Intelligence Theory". Clearly, a child who develops extraordinary speech capabilities during the first few months of life, is showing high verbal intelligence. Einstein was not known for his verbal intelligence, but his SPATIAL and MATHEMATICAL intelligences. It is not relevant to his gift that he was slow verbally.
MrTrueGenius 5 months ago
@ASwiftHippie
Furthermore, Ainan's little brother, Tiarnan, (not mentioned above), was using four word, grammatically correct sentences at five months old. This was slower speech development than Ainan...but still rather quick. He is precocious too, but less so than his elder brother. So, these things clearly run in families.
MrTrueGenius 5 months ago
@MrTrueGenius They were pretty advanced sentences. That being said, I certainly wasn't doing anything like what Ainan was. I obviously don't remember what things I would say exactly, but my parents say that they had never seen someone speak so well at such a young age. They also say that I would ask really hard, complicated questions that they never knew the answer to, lol. That was a few years later though. I really don't think it's an accurate measure of IQ though. Einsten didn't speak till 4
ASwiftHippie 5 months ago
@ASwiftHippie.
I think it depends on how complex your sentences are, at 12 months, and what you are saying. Remember, a typical child doesn't say their first WORD until about a year old. To be saying complete sentences before then, is rather unusual. Ainan, one of the kids referenced above, was engaging in logical, rational argument using complete and complex sentences long before his first birthday. This is very unusual. He was even commenting on the relationship between experiment and opinion
MrTrueGenius 5 months ago
I have 122 IQ.
avnidilligil 5 months ago
What's so special about talking at age one? I could speak full sentences before I was a year old. Sure, I am quite a bit above average, but I'm definitely not a super-genius.
ASwiftHippie 5 months ago
everyones a genious, just in there own way. these guys may be booksmart, but do they know everything that you know?
crazysis98 6 months ago
@crazysis98 No, everyone is not a "genious" in their own way, if we're to assume that genius is defined as exceptional ability. Be in math, art, linguistics, etc. The vast majority of people have exceptional ability in nothing and thus cannot accurately be called genius.
ToaoRaj 5 months ago
@ToaoRaj do not judge someone on their ability to so one thing. For if you judge a fish on their ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life thinking it's stupid.
crazysis98 5 months ago
I have a 110 IQ
haxbox7 6 months ago
@haxbox7 My IQ is 165, and I am 14. Is that high?
TheMrSpartanking 5 months ago
@TheMrSpartanking Shit, woah.
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MapleSephiroth 6 months ago
kim peek has an iq is 87 and he has photographic memory, and superb mathematic abilities. Defies your precious iq test.
I don't like to believe that higher iq determines your intelligence. The human brain is an incomprehensible machine. There's nothing in high iq brains that we regular iq brains have. They have more neuron connections possibly but that is grown through training. IQ is overrated.
breakdancer100 6 months ago
@breakdancer100 Kim Peek had eidetic memory but not "superb" mathematical abilities; apart from his ability of calendrical calculation, which is a talent many savants (particularly those with low IQs) possess. Also, IQ is a great indication of one's intelligence (if not the greatest indication available) and Kim Peek isn't an exception as he wasn't intelligent. He merely had eidetic memory. Memory isn't the same as, nor an indication of, intelligence.
ToaoRaj 5 months ago
@ToaoRaj Ok. If Kim peek memory isn't intelligence then what is intelligence? Isn't everything that we regurgitate all come from memory? How does IQ determine someones intelligence? I know I play guitar fairly well, but my professor who says he has an IQ of 140 ask me for guitar tips. If he has 40 points on IQ on me why ask me for tips, after all his IQ shows that he is smarter than me?
And actually Kim Peek have superb mathematical abilities.
breakdancer100 5 months ago
@breakdancer100 Intelligence, in my mind, is mental capability. One's ability to comprehend complex ideas, reason, learn from experience, solve problems, etc. Memory certainly aids in mental capability, but isn't, itself, intelligence or indicative of it. Your professor's IQ of 140 doesn't mean he would know how to play the guitar without ever learning it. Perhaps he asked you for tips because he's aware that you played the guitar and would be of help, rather than him being too stupid to do it.
ToaoRaj 5 months ago
@breakdancer100 Also, I'm curious as to what "superb mathematical abilities" you believe Kim Peek to have possessed. Again, he was great (as are most low IQ savants) at calendrical calculations, but I'm unsure whether or not he would struggle with basic arithmetic. What proof is there of his "superb mathematical abilities"?
ToaoRaj 5 months ago
@breakdancer100 dam i assumed he had superb mathematical abilities cause the movie portrayed it so, yet I can not find any evidence at the moment. Yet still, intelligence is a complicated subject, and IQ is not even close to describing it.
breakdancer100 5 months ago
I wish I was smart as these people... even though I have straight A's. I still feel stupid.
Shihan01011 6 months ago
@Shihan01011 Don't worry. Get your grades and do something good with your life :) You sound like you're probably very smart, and its good to see that you're still staying humble and honest.
newrev9er 6 months ago
Sometimes i wish i were as smart as some of these people, but it seems as though their lives are completely focused around work and heavy mental tasks. They almost seem robbed of a light and fun existence, and instead left to the heavy, almost burdensome weight of having to be a mental workhorse.
justinroseart 6 months ago
@justinroseart Believe it or not, but there are people who actually enjoy doing what you perceive as a heavy labor (ask f.e. a world class weight lifter if 300 pounds is heavy for him), and there are such people that don't have fun doing what others do when they're having fun.
mujotomi 6 months ago
@MrDeppness
You don't know very much about IQ. The IQs beyond 200 in this film are generally RATIO IQs. That is they are a measure of mental age divided by chronological age. An IQ of 400 in this case means that the child has a mental development four times greater than average for their age. There is NO REASON why this could not be so. That IQ number would be different if written as a deviation IQ (the type of measurement you are referring to). You have confused two different measurements.
MrTrueGenius 6 months ago
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mcksvnssn1 6 months ago
@HumanChemistry101 my teacher told me that intelligence is divided in many dfferent typed of intelligence or skills which is nto necesarrily related to books or school but also painting, social, literature,and even sport (which ppl tend to believe is only fisical skill). And based on all tehse different type of inteligence is difined assomeone who exceeds the average in all these (even if he rather focus mroe in a specificl he is still gifted in all others);" 1st part of my comment"
Blazerelf 7 months ago
@HumanChemistry101 couldnt fit the rest of my statement so this is it.
So based on what i was told a genious is doesn't that mean all these people who we declare genius are polyphacetic? does that mean einstein, hawkins (b4 his desiese screw him to wheelchair) and all these were goood in even sports and art? Or was teh definition of genius given to me is wrong at it just involve academic intelligence
Blazerelf 7 months ago
poor kids who never got their childhood because of gready and over-ambious parents
Juvefreak92 7 months ago
The word "genius" has lost all its value. Parents pound science and mathematics down their kids throats when they are babies and then claim their kids have extreme intelligence, though they have contributed nothing to society, and have done nothing in particular to earn the title over time. Even I have a "genius level" IQ and was considered a "prodigy" but I feel I definitely don't deserve that title based on an arbitrary number and academic success. Its all so ignorant and meaningless.
InfiniteGXT 7 months ago
A little wake up cal here: NOBODY CAN HAVE AN IQ OF 400. THAT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE. IQ goes from 25 and under (profound mental retardation) to as high as 200 or even 210 (Kim Ung Yong). Anything beyond 210 simply does not happen. Study the IQ rarity charts.
MrDeppness 7 months ago
Very intelligent people can actively choose average jobs for various reasons. Is it really reasonable to use ''he only works as this now'' as an argument for that people don't have a 200+ IQ, especially if they've got extraordinary prior achivements?
SwedxSimon02 8 months ago
ITC: People with low IQ justifying their lack of intelligence by trying to prove IQ testing is an inappropriate measure of intelligence.
arwidcool 8 months ago
@arwidcool
Idk who or what you're refering to with "ITC", but although you're correct pointing out one psychological phenomena and explanation, this is really only applicable to a small percentage of people. There's almost equally many with high IQs that criticize IQtests, but usually with better arguments, and not as wholesome discarding. There are scientific parallells and evidence for correlation, but it's quite controversial whether 1) IQ = whole intelligence, and 2) how accurate IQtests are
somedump 8 months ago
Learning calculus is NOTHING like inventing calculus.
supergsx 8 months ago
Ugh I hate those asian kids.
supergsx 8 months ago
Are you reading this off of a piece of paper? You keep randomly pausing at weird spots lol.
Psytheslasher 8 months ago
What is intelligence? Says more about what people want to think intelligence is than what it actually is.
Jammieg001 8 months ago
@x3Gunman3x thats because you're dumb
bringerofrage 10 months ago
Thanks for the video upload. I found it highly informative.
aadoza 10 months ago
The video about Camukova was in Turkish! :O
Ningirsutyr 10 months ago
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Artlitfan 11 months ago
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Artlitfan 11 months ago
why does it say IQ with a subscript of r, o, or c? what does that mean?
cenotosa1 11 months ago 7
@cenotosa1 R=Ratio IQ, C=Cox IQ, O= Other IQ citation method. See first link in drop down menu for further clarification.
HumanChemistry101 11 months ago 3
@HumanChemistry101
I really liked this. very comprehensive and interesting.
Can you explain, "Indecision is often the forerunner to intellectual freezeup and the inability to act" to me?
I was reading what the former Mensan president thought about some intellectuals and how they often did not get anywhere because they were so smart they could see tiny mistakes and so wouldn't do anything until they could eliminate that problem.
I feel like I may be one of them... and it worries me.
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 11 months ago
we are all wrong imho even me
jospos0 11 months ago
@HumanChemistry101 lol who fucking cares what his "estimated IQ" was? look how much he contributed to humanity. he invented, problem solved and discovered things in 30 years, that would take the average human 300 years to do. IQ is so overrated it's not even funny.
joru100 1 year ago
Memorizing things are what books and computers are for lol. If your good at memorizing things it doesn't make you a genius, it just makes you good at jeopardy.
Keon994 1 year ago
dylan jones has an estimated IQ of 200+ yet his hair is red, Doesn't that automaticly bring it down 60 points?
Coltru2314 1 year ago 2
Nikola Tesla is not on this list. Why?
ParadoxPerspective 1 year ago 5
@ParadoxPerspective Note: as of 30 Apr 2011, Tesla has been added to the online list (#13), as three (weak) references have been found citing him with an IQ in the 200+ range; plus (a) he owned a thorough collection of Goethe’s scientific texts and read these to the exclusion of all other philosophies, and (b) for his article “The Problem of Increasing Human Energy”, in which he concludes (correctly) that "there is no thing endowed with life" (one of the more difficult of problems).
HumanChemistry101 5 months ago
@ParadoxPerspective Tesla is probably the smartest of them all.
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MosteProduction 1 year ago
What's so special about IQ? Contributions show true genius, since contributions show what you can do beyond IQ test puzzles, beyond learning and beyond memorization
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razzia89 1 year ago 15
@razzia89
You ARE wrong. IQ is measured in comparison with others YOUR OWN AGE. Of course you become "smarter", or have a higher IQ than someone younger than you, if you allow the comparison (between different ages). This is however completely unscientific (to measure IQs comparing different ages not compared with equals) and can at best only be used to prove that one becomes "smarter" the older one becomes. ALSO, you do not actually perform any better at matrix IQ-tests when older :-) (18+)
somedump 8 months ago
@razzia89 I think you are mixing up wisdom and intelligence.
Xonipher 6 months ago
@razzia89 Yea... you're definitely wrong...
ASwiftHippie 5 months ago
@razzia89 Those babys are genius... Because Babies are the most curious living beings in this world. :)
VictumRoManius 5 months ago
wait does the red x by the peoples names mean the people are deceased or fake geniuses?
aussiesarefaster 1 year ago
@aussiesarefaster Means "over estimates" or below IQ 200 in reality.
HumanChemistry101 1 year ago
Kim Ung-Yong
mat2506 1 year ago
Did that guys IQ drop 125 poins in 10 years? so age 24 he will have an IQ of 75? How on earth do you even record an IQ off 400?
meatisdeliciouse 1 year ago 11
@meatisdeliciouse haha seriously.
andergra000 1 year ago
@meatisdeliciouse (average IQ (100))*((age of acting intelligence)/(age))
so the ratio would have to be equivalent to 4:1 (i.e. 6 yo w/ intellect of 24 yo)
I3L4NK 1 year ago
@meatisdeliciouse Thats the thing, this is all bullshit because you cant.
luthmhor 1 year ago
@luthmhor Let’s not all be hating on poor Adragon De Mello. It took me at least a couple of years to even find that 400 IQ. It was calculated by his father when Adragon was four years old. Yes, of course, the calculation was a screw-ball misapplication of Terman’s 1916 IQ formula. Spend a little time reading Adragon’s story and you will see that his father was more than a little bit crazy; his whole story would probably make for a good movie.
HumanChemistry101 1 year ago
@meatisdeliciouse i think but i'm not really intelligent:D that it is because as a child you can learn hell of a lot more...just guessing:D
raytawatari 1 year ago
@meatisdeliciouse The standard formula to determine IQ was devised in 1916 by Lewis Terman as a device to test for the “average student” (IQ=100) plus or minus 40 points, give or take, after which the formula begins to fall apart, so to speak. Many parents (and child psychologists) use and abuse the original Terman formula to tell naïve children that their so-and-so test score, owing to a young age, means that they are smarter than Newton. These are what are called false-positive IQ estimates.
HumanChemistry101 1 year ago
@HumanChemistry101 I see, I once wread in a book somewhere that they can mesure brain inteligance buy the amount of energy it uses to work stuff out, the less energy used aparantly, the more inteligent the brain is or something like that.
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