@TheDemandread - Why can't I let people believe what they believe? I do let people believe what they believe. If you are asking me to silence myself, no, I will not. I don't bother people who aren't interested in what I have to say. You had to come here to hear it. I am not knocking on doors. Also, you think religious people have less intelligence? That is a really dumb thing to believe, but I will let you. peace!
U DONT NEED TO TITLED YOUR SELF TO NOTHIN RELIGION AND ATHEIEST ARE TITLEDS FUCK THAT JUST LIVE LIFE AND LOVE, U GIVE POWER TO LOVE BY THOUGHS AND DO'S...... AND U WONT GO WRONG FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE PEOPLE MAKING IT HARDER THAN WAT IT REALLY IS ''LOVE IS THA KEY WORD''
@ojiisan1945 I SAID U NEED NO TITLED NO RELIGION AND ATHEIEST IS A NAME THAT MAKES IT A TITTLED I JUST SAID U NEED NO TITLEDS I SAID LIVE LIFE WIT LOVE AND U CANT GO WRONG WAT U DIDNT GET ABOUT THAT L0L
In a way, Christianity and Atheism are both fighting a common enemy, it is called New Age Religion, and the atheism community will for the most part accept it, the christian community will accept it as well, but a portion will deny it heavily. BTW Mao and Stalin killed over 180 million people last year, to get rid of religion, both were atheists. Nothing is safe from corruption my friend.
@SupremeAmerican Stalin and Mao did not kill in the name of Atheism. Show evidence, cites, or quotes where they both have claimed to kill/murder in the name of atheism, please!!!
@SupremeAmerican Wait the Mao/Stalin shit argument again? Why am I not surprised you label yourself American... Seriously, if I drink coffee and Hitler did too, does coffee corrupt me to become a Hitler? Religion has no more claim on morality than child molesting priests.
Actually, morality isn't even human-exclusive. The act of a mother bear protecting her sons can be considered moral and bears have no religion. The same goes for all other animals. The human animal (AKA, the human being) is the only one that felt the need to create such a thing as religion. The reason people still follow religion is, essentially, tradition. The fundamentalist ones follow it because they are mentally ill, though.
@SupremeAmerican - Wow !!! You're completely wrong on all counts ... What's the difference between Xtianity & New Age beyond their age ? Atheist won't accept any unfounded religious claims. That acts of Mao & Stalin had absolutely nothing to do with atheism . They sought to wipe all compeitng forms of thought . Not a single life was lost on an alter of atheism ... Not one .
you have a nack (sp?) for putting to words, very well, those things that are on my mind. interesting, this other Utuber says atheism needs a "positive" message. atheism, very simply, is what it is... it doesn't try to be the answer to everything. its not striving to bring people peace or joy, but it can have that effect. it doesn't make promises it can't keep. maybe you've already done this type of video, but what are your thoughts on what makes some people (as diverse as we are) atheists?
Reality exists. I exist in reality, therefore I can know what it is. Morality as an objective metaphysical truth does not need religion. That's the positive message of agnosticism (I don't know about atheism.) that you can live a life based on that which is knowable in reality. To wonder at the workings of existence like Carl Sagan and long to know them is not a cold or negative thing.
@ShadowSoldior Yes it is hilarious, I am also serious. There is no scientific evidence that the God of the Bible or any other god exists. If God does exist, then he is a genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, rape condoning, sadistic, ethnic cleansing tyrant.
@Patriot2001 The ones that don't believe in god just to be angsty Rebellious Teens are Silly. The ones who think just because they don't believe in god they are an intellectual and know the meaning of life and all that. Are silly.
@wardogmobius I'm an atheist myself. Don't worry your preaching to the choir. I just don't like some of the people who just label themselves as atheist to feel like a rebel or something. (Mostly talking about teenagers here)
"The future of the atheist movement is, hopefully, for it to go away"
I've been a long time watcher cristofer07, and always have loved the brilliant quotes you always unexpectedly say - but that last one has made me a sub.
I love the little nuggets if brilliance in your frustrated rants.
Let's not forget that religion causes far more division, often leading to all-out war. Atheism has a beautiful "positive message": there's probably no god, so stop worrying, enjoy your life, and especially, stop killing each other!
The political process and institute of government is also guilty of this "killing" to a massive extent as well. I hope for the sake of the integrity of your comment that you are therefore an anarchist and not a voter because it would be so easy to point out how much of a hypocrite you are likely to be otherwise.
People choose to see the nemesis everywhere other than in the mirror.
@PseudoVoodoo You're saying that if I vote then I'm a hypocrite for pointing out that atheism needs no creed in order for atheists to refrain from killing each other, because the people I vote for might be somehow involved in a massive bureaucracy some branches of which kill? What if I vote for people who are trying to stop the killing? Do I have your permission to vote then?
You implied that religion is responsible for killing. I say so is government. But I'll bet you subscribe to a political ideology (REGARDLESS whether you're an atheist or not) that is also guilty of killing, namely the participaiton of empowering government.
That is why you're a hypocrite if you're not an anartchist because I'd love to see those who wish to try and stop killing and actually achieve it. No one who wishes to stop killing ever achieves it but participates in it.
@PseudoVoodoo I didn't intend to imply anything. I was pointing out that for religion, in spite of having a creed (a point made in the original video) does a lot of harm, and atheism's lack of a creed does no harm. I am very sad to hear that you think that participating in the democratic process is not only useless, but hypocritical. If enough people believe that, then it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I subscribe to an ideology that humans can indeed flourish, and a way can be found.
"I subscribe to an ideology that humans can indeed flourish, and a way can be found. "
Precisely how is this rhetoric of yours any different in nature to religious people who state their religion is not dangerous or harmful but is a "religion of peace and love" where it also can "find a way" despite the contradictory historical facts? They believe in their ideology the same way you do and both lay claim to be the solution of society's problems. Atheism having a lack of a creed is incidental.
Yes, the same level of puerile dishonest reply you'd slap a theist down for. How much do you choose to jump into a debate highlighting a theist's sense of self-delusion, cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy etc whilst never acknowledging your own?
This is NOTHING to do with a difference of opinion.
Agree. Ignorant believers already seem to think atheism is its own religion with an agenda... do we really want to humor that idea further by creating a movement?! Don't think so. Our 'solidarity' extends as far as the simple definition of atheism, no more and no less. I hope it stays that way. I don't ever want some @s$hole speaking on my behalf, "thanks but no thanks". I can handle life by myself without representation.
The snake oil salesman tries to sell everything in one bottle.... that is a powerful insight. Religion promises everything because that's how you sell something that does nothing. There's such a strong connection between that and the preacher attacking your deepest fears with self-doubt and existential dread; only to offer you a miracle solution... God in a bottle will cure all worries and fears - every conceivable ill banished!
When you look at it like that it seems so laughably childish.
What calls itself the atheist movement is really, I think, the Rationalist movement. Most atheists of today have reached that position because of rationality. That's our one thing, and it has a lot of applications. Different individuals can address different specific irrational claims, though.
go, everyone click the damn advertisement, but dont buy it! then the advertisement will go away, every click that takes someone to the website costs a few cents, do NOT buy the shit, and hopefully then we will get an advertisement that does NOT slow down the video so badly.
The reason that atheistism isn't accepted by all is cause it offers nothing to embrace people seem more likely to accept a claim no matter how far fetched it is...
Rather than to accept that the claim is untrue.
The lochness monster is a great example , people came out and said they did it as a hoax ... yet to this very day there is people who have "faith" in the lochness monster.
A couple of points. If it turns out to be easier to remove atheism from society as an issue by forming atheistic communities, isn't that a good enough reason to do it? And from listening to other YT-atheists, there seems to be some sick religious practice out there. Isn't it better to have an atheistic community to help people escape those practices, is so be to just show them that atheists are not monsters?
Atheists need to create bridges in the community. There must be a better public relationship. Too many Americans have more respect for Terrorists than they do atheists. In some cases, I can understand why.
How would you feel about an atheist advertisement, I wonder. There was an ad on buses in Britain that went something like, "God is probably not real, stop worrying and get on with your life". Of course the signs were taken down after complaints. I feel like pushing atheism or specifically proselytizing is connected to this idea of building some kind of atheist solidarity. Personally it doesn't matter to me if someone is an atheist or not.
@AnticDispossession "there's probably no god" was the thing, and that, lets be honest, is true. I don't mind what you believe, just don't tell me- the only ways to stop all the commotions is to either get everyone believing the same thing, or to make it an unimportant issue, and tbh, neither seems to be coming around imminently
You are right, the only thing that 'binds' atheists is that they don't believe in God. And they aren't one group of people, as in organized religion. There are some movements of atheists who really want to fight religion. Most atheists I know never think about religion, it's just not a part of their life and they don't really care what others believe. As long as it doesn't deviate too much from the norms and values of the society and is not causing any harm... Imposing religion pisses me off tho
They can try Humanism or The Bright Movement if they want more out of being a secular person. Our being atheists means nothing in grouping except an exclusion of theism.
yeah, the day that the term atheism is pointless is a day i'd look forward to. I'm happy to live in a world were people have different ethics to me as long as they are actually taking the time to think about their positions rather than getting their ideas from a 2000 year old book. It's just pointless and boring otherwise.
Thank you Cris, my thoughts exactly on this notion that atheism needs a "positive message". Why limit the notion/idea of atheism in such a way? Don't be afraid when the abyss stares back etc.
It doesn't need to compete with the pros/cons of religion; it just "is". Take the concept and run with it or dismiss it for the phantasm(s) of your choice.
I think religious people use morality as one of their main arguments that a god exists. Victims of war, poverty and natural disarsters, death on a massive scale is part of their Gods moral rederick. I think humanity gives its self far too much credit and should humble them selves a little, we are self aware so most think we have a God,he created a baby in his image to live in a garbage dump in Indonisia to endure suffering,only to know pain, to live off the flesh of rats.fucking hilarious morals
I think that the atheism movement will evolve into a much broader "rationalist" movement where "skeptics" will always press for logical and reasoned thinking. Basically, skepdtics will be against bullshit of all kinds. I dont see bullshit going away anythime soon.
Very wise words, my friend. Atheism only comes together to unite against a common powerful foe. And that power is only in numbers. I find myself using the term Atheist, simply to simplify the relationship with the common denominator of theists. It is to say, "I'm not one of them.". Or, "I'm not one of you". Sometimes I think it is to say, "No, I will not hide. I think I have a valid claim, and you have to deal with it in the open." I see a rejection, or challenge, of the authoritative stance.
I'm an atheist that doesn't believe that the simple belief in god will ever completely go away. As many theists will tell you, atheism doesn't offer anything. There will always be a large percentage of people that will take comfort over the truth. The best we could possibly hope for is deism. If we can get rid of the dogma of religion, no doubt in my mind the world could be a better place.
I love your vids, man. You are intelligent, informative, and most of all captivating. This plague will be demolished. People like you (and I on a smaller platform) are laying the ground work for wiping this, this repugnant paste off the face of the Earth! Keep up the great work man!
There are a lot of ideas that are 'religious'; in nature that are not labeled "religion." Human beings seem to have this compulsion. When we lack knowledge or understanding, we start with assumptions. It's this kind of thinking that has to go. Not just "religion." People are often times scared to death of critical thought. Why? Because at times, critical thought leaves you alone with "I don't know" and that's too much for a lot of people to handle. (cont)
First we have to learn not to be afraid of the unknown. Until we get over that fear, ideas that are 'religious' in nature will continue to thrive. Fear and ignorance fucked and they had a baby named "dogmatic thought." Know your enemy I always say.
@Sarahon06 Can you please elaborate on this message. I think what you are saying is fear and ignorance causes superstition. I know we need fear so we know what's good for us or not good for us. As ignorance goes. I think we were all born ignorant. And we learn as we go. And the truth is no one will ever know everything. Therefore we will always maintain some level of ignorance.
"I think what you are saying is fear and ignorance causes superstition."
I'd say they do. Fear more so than ignorance. While I understand the need for fear at times, it does it's share of damage as well. I suppose what I was driving at is that people fear ignorance. Most superstitious people seem to have an issue with lacking knowledge. So when they can't explain something or find an answer they cling to whatever answers were offered to them (be they logical or not)
@Sarahon06 I have to agree with you on the fear of ignorance matter. Where the logical thinker understands he or she cannot know everything. The superstitious person needs something to fill the gaps before good solid evidence is discovered.
@Sarahon06 I suspect the fear of critical thought is partly due to being soley responsible for the outcome of your own thoughts. It can be hard to say, "I did this" if it is a negative thing. We don't always see the value of "I did this" as a stepping stone to the stage of recognition that "I misunderstood an aspect of reality" and must now alter it. That brings us to another fear; that we must change. Our emotions are powerful tools, but I don't think we really have a clear understanding in it.
@Sarahon06 Really what I was saying is that as long as we have religion we will have atheism. I guess you can look at a rainbow or a butterfly and say you're having a religious experience. But what I am talking about is the superstitious stuff. And I am willing to believe anything based on tangible evidence.
Good video. Atheism doesn't presuppose any other view on any other topics beside the god question.
Atheism's only job, so to speak, is to remove a specific impediment to finding the answer to the other big questions, not to be an answer to all questions in and of itself.
right on.... keep up the good work..
ImhotepRamses 1 month ago
@TheDemandread - Why can't I let people believe what they believe? I do let people believe what they believe. If you are asking me to silence myself, no, I will not. I don't bother people who aren't interested in what I have to say. You had to come here to hear it. I am not knocking on doors. Also, you think religious people have less intelligence? That is a really dumb thing to believe, but I will let you. peace!
Cristofer7 5 months ago 2
Imagine waking up one day and ALL religions have completely vanished from planet Earth.......................
Smonjirez 10 months ago
@Smonjirez
I would love it!
J95X3RNVY 8 months ago
The future of the atheist movement IS for it to go away!!!! That is so right!
sstan1337 1 year ago
glad i discovered you, regards
awfulnhead 1 year ago
U DONT NEED TO TITLED YOUR SELF TO NOTHIN RELIGION AND ATHEIEST ARE TITLEDS FUCK THAT JUST LIVE LIFE AND LOVE, U GIVE POWER TO LOVE BY THOUGHS AND DO'S...... AND U WONT GO WRONG FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE PEOPLE MAKING IT HARDER THAN WAT IT REALLY IS ''LOVE IS THA KEY WORD''
CRAZYBOY1984777 1 year ago
@CRAZYBOY1984777 What the fuck did you say? I read it forward and backwards and it still makes no sense. Oh, and your caps lock is stuck.
ojiisan1945 1 year ago
@ojiisan1945 I SAID U NEED NO TITLED NO RELIGION AND ATHEIEST IS A NAME THAT MAKES IT A TITTLED I JUST SAID U NEED NO TITLEDS I SAID LIVE LIFE WIT LOVE AND U CANT GO WRONG WAT U DIDNT GET ABOUT THAT L0L
CRAZYBOY1984777 1 year ago
That would be a good title for dawkins or one of the others to use, 'God the ultimate snake oil'
GrimmShadowsII 1 year ago
In a way, Christianity and Atheism are both fighting a common enemy, it is called New Age Religion, and the atheism community will for the most part accept it, the christian community will accept it as well, but a portion will deny it heavily. BTW Mao and Stalin killed over 180 million people last year, to get rid of religion, both were atheists. Nothing is safe from corruption my friend.
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
@SupremeAmerican Stalin and Mao did not kill in the name of Atheism. Show evidence, cites, or quotes where they both have claimed to kill/murder in the name of atheism, please!!!
nicomell1 1 year ago
@SupremeAmerican Wait the Mao/Stalin shit argument again? Why am I not surprised you label yourself American... Seriously, if I drink coffee and Hitler did too, does coffee corrupt me to become a Hitler? Religion has no more claim on morality than child molesting priests.
goomba008 1 year ago 13
@goomba008
Actually, morality isn't even human-exclusive. The act of a mother bear protecting her sons can be considered moral and bears have no religion. The same goes for all other animals. The human animal (AKA, the human being) is the only one that felt the need to create such a thing as religion. The reason people still follow religion is, essentially, tradition. The fundamentalist ones follow it because they are mentally ill, though.
rpaslux 1 year ago
@SupremeAmerican - Wow !!! You're completely wrong on all counts ... What's the difference between Xtianity & New Age beyond their age ? Atheist won't accept any unfounded religious claims. That acts of Mao & Stalin had absolutely nothing to do with atheism . They sought to wipe all compeitng forms of thought . Not a single life was lost on an alter of atheism ... Not one .
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
you have a nack (sp?) for putting to words, very well, those things that are on my mind. interesting, this other Utuber says atheism needs a "positive" message. atheism, very simply, is what it is... it doesn't try to be the answer to everything. its not striving to bring people peace or joy, but it can have that effect. it doesn't make promises it can't keep. maybe you've already done this type of video, but what are your thoughts on what makes some people (as diverse as we are) atheists?
aodkijghtnemmifhjdjj 1 year ago
We don't need a movement
Eldel15 1 year ago
@Patriot2001 Believing everything was made in one week, from absolutely nothing, like magic,.....Let me tell you, that is silly....
wardogmobius 1 year ago
Reality exists. I exist in reality, therefore I can know what it is. Morality as an objective metaphysical truth does not need religion. That's the positive message of agnosticism (I don't know about atheism.) that you can live a life based on that which is knowable in reality. To wonder at the workings of existence like Carl Sagan and long to know them is not a cold or negative thing.
JaysThoughts 1 year ago
@Patriot2001 Everyone is silly in some context. Cristofer is not silly however.
MetalShin0bi 1 year ago
@Patriot2001 so are theists. Actually probably more so which resorts to supernatural explanation whenever possible.
supersmash43 1 year ago
@Patriot2001 Justify that statement. Why is it silly not to believe in a non existent celestial tyrant.
roac7777 1 year ago
@roac7777 LOL "Non-existent celestial tyrant"
ShadowSoldior 1 year ago
@ShadowSoldior Yes it is hilarious, I am also serious. There is no scientific evidence that the God of the Bible or any other god exists. If God does exist, then he is a genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, rape condoning, sadistic, ethnic cleansing tyrant.
roac7777 1 year ago
@roac7777 No no, don't misunderstand, I agree with you whole-heartedly. I just found that line funny.
ShadowSoldior 1 year ago
@ShadowSoldior I understand, no worries.
roac7777 1 year ago
@Patriot2001 The ones that don't believe in god just to be angsty Rebellious Teens are Silly. The ones who think just because they don't believe in god they are an intellectual and know the meaning of life and all that. Are silly.
CameronWasmund 1 year ago
@CameronWasmund Believing everything was made in one week, from absolutely nothing, like magic,.....Let me tell you, that is silly....
wardogmobius 1 year ago
@wardogmobius I'm an atheist myself. Don't worry your preaching to the choir. I just don't like some of the people who just label themselves as atheist to feel like a rebel or something. (Mostly talking about teenagers here)
CameronWasmund 1 year ago
Great video keep up the good work. :)
BigDaddyBongos 1 year ago
your videos are always insightful cristofer well said again
nintendo64isking 1 year ago
"The future of the atheist movement is, hopefully, for it to go away"
I've been a long time watcher cristofer07, and always have loved the brilliant quotes you always unexpectedly say - but that last one has made me a sub.
I love the little nuggets if brilliance in your frustrated rants.
SlyHeathen 1 year ago
Not trying to be racist, but does anyone else think he looks like an ape from Planet of the Apes?
Memekiller666 1 year ago
It can be a hard lesson to learn, Chris.
BoozyBeggar 1 year ago
Man, I dig your vids. Keep up the good work
hapexamendar 1 year ago
Omnomnomnomnom
Deniecu 1 year ago
Let's not forget that religion causes far more division, often leading to all-out war. Atheism has a beautiful "positive message": there's probably no god, so stop worrying, enjoy your life, and especially, stop killing each other!
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore
The political process and institute of government is also guilty of this "killing" to a massive extent as well. I hope for the sake of the integrity of your comment that you are therefore an anarchist and not a voter because it would be so easy to point out how much of a hypocrite you are likely to be otherwise.
People choose to see the nemesis everywhere other than in the mirror.
PseudoVoodoo 1 year ago
@PseudoVoodoo You're saying that if I vote then I'm a hypocrite for pointing out that atheism needs no creed in order for atheists to refrain from killing each other, because the people I vote for might be somehow involved in a massive bureaucracy some branches of which kill? What if I vote for people who are trying to stop the killing? Do I have your permission to vote then?
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore
You implied that religion is responsible for killing. I say so is government. But I'll bet you subscribe to a political ideology (REGARDLESS whether you're an atheist or not) that is also guilty of killing, namely the participaiton of empowering government.
That is why you're a hypocrite if you're not an anartchist because I'd love to see those who wish to try and stop killing and actually achieve it. No one who wishes to stop killing ever achieves it but participates in it.
PseudoVoodoo 1 year ago
@PseudoVoodoo I didn't intend to imply anything. I was pointing out that for religion, in spite of having a creed (a point made in the original video) does a lot of harm, and atheism's lack of a creed does no harm. I am very sad to hear that you think that participating in the democratic process is not only useless, but hypocritical. If enough people believe that, then it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I subscribe to an ideology that humans can indeed flourish, and a way can be found.
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
"I subscribe to an ideology that humans can indeed flourish, and a way can be found. "
Precisely how is this rhetoric of yours any different in nature to religious people who state their religion is not dangerous or harmful but is a "religion of peace and love" where it also can "find a way" despite the contradictory historical facts? They believe in their ideology the same way you do and both lay claim to be the solution of society's problems. Atheism having a lack of a creed is incidental.
PseudoVoodoo 1 year ago
@PseudoVoodoo I'm done. You're just too smart for me. You've really taught me a lesson about having an opinion. Thanks!
GreatBigBore 1 year ago
@GreatBigBore
Yes, the same level of puerile dishonest reply you'd slap a theist down for. How much do you choose to jump into a debate highlighting a theist's sense of self-delusion, cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy etc whilst never acknowledging your own?
This is NOTHING to do with a difference of opinion.
PseudoVoodoo 1 year ago
Damn i'm glad to live in a secular society. And I think i can somewhat say that "atheism" isn't really a word where i live :)
AWorldLedByIgnorance 1 year ago
eminently rational as always.
perditiontheelder 1 year ago
Wonderful vid.
Bukaj1983 1 year ago
Agree. Ignorant believers already seem to think atheism is its own religion with an agenda... do we really want to humor that idea further by creating a movement?! Don't think so. Our 'solidarity' extends as far as the simple definition of atheism, no more and no less. I hope it stays that way. I don't ever want some @s$hole speaking on my behalf, "thanks but no thanks". I can handle life by myself without representation.
sakurasky 1 year ago
excellent vid as usual
StonerMike84 1 year ago
The snake oil salesman tries to sell everything in one bottle.... that is a powerful insight. Religion promises everything because that's how you sell something that does nothing. There's such a strong connection between that and the preacher attacking your deepest fears with self-doubt and existential dread; only to offer you a miracle solution... God in a bottle will cure all worries and fears - every conceivable ill banished!
When you look at it like that it seems so laughably childish.
SkepticsClaw 1 year ago
What calls itself the atheist movement is really, I think, the Rationalist movement. Most atheists of today have reached that position because of rationality. That's our one thing, and it has a lot of applications. Different individuals can address different specific irrational claims, though.
VulcanFleet 1 year ago
its the damn advertisement that slows the video.
go, everyone click the damn advertisement, but dont buy it! then the advertisement will go away, every click that takes someone to the website costs a few cents, do NOT buy the shit, and hopefully then we will get an advertisement that does NOT slow down the video so badly.
kurtilein3 1 year ago
I agree....
The reason that atheistism isn't accepted by all is cause it offers nothing to embrace people seem more likely to accept a claim no matter how far fetched it is...
Rather than to accept that the claim is untrue.
The lochness monster is a great example , people came out and said they did it as a hoax ... yet to this very day there is people who have "faith" in the lochness monster.
sykeo123 1 year ago
A couple of points. If it turns out to be easier to remove atheism from society as an issue by forming atheistic communities, isn't that a good enough reason to do it? And from listening to other YT-atheists, there seems to be some sick religious practice out there. Isn't it better to have an atheistic community to help people escape those practices, is so be to just show them that atheists are not monsters?
MegaYippie 1 year ago
Atheists need to create bridges in the community. There must be a better public relationship. Too many Americans have more respect for Terrorists than they do atheists. In some cases, I can understand why.
allTRIPLE1 1 year ago
AGREED
BreadWinner06 1 year ago
Good video. :)
Aridcreaturehere 1 year ago
How would you feel about an atheist advertisement, I wonder. There was an ad on buses in Britain that went something like, "God is probably not real, stop worrying and get on with your life". Of course the signs were taken down after complaints. I feel like pushing atheism or specifically proselytizing is connected to this idea of building some kind of atheist solidarity. Personally it doesn't matter to me if someone is an atheist or not.
AnticDispossession 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession the signs on buses are still up :) saw one the other day!
Babs44sun 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession "there's probably no god" was the thing, and that, lets be honest, is true. I don't mind what you believe, just don't tell me- the only ways to stop all the commotions is to either get everyone believing the same thing, or to make it an unimportant issue, and tbh, neither seems to be coming around imminently
hugoishuge 1 year ago
well said :)
marcarmstrong88 1 year ago
You and I are standing on common ground, I couldn't agree more with what you said here.
RaminHAL9001 1 year ago
You are right, the only thing that 'binds' atheists is that they don't believe in God. And they aren't one group of people, as in organized religion. There are some movements of atheists who really want to fight religion. Most atheists I know never think about religion, it's just not a part of their life and they don't really care what others believe. As long as it doesn't deviate too much from the norms and values of the society and is not causing any harm... Imposing religion pisses me off tho
OhReallyNoWai 1 year ago
atheism will eventually break into multiple denominations
ceresWar 1 year ago
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namnack 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@ceresWar
Are you deaf?
namnack 1 year ago
Wow, 303 views in 8 hours. :)
They can try Humanism or The Bright Movement if they want more out of being a secular person. Our being atheists means nothing in grouping except an exclusion of theism.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago
I agree. Atheism is no religion.
o0Loucypher0o 1 year ago
Your wit cuts like a surgical knife.
slipcurve 1 year ago
God? What's that?
samten54 1 year ago
@samten54,
Absolutely nothing...
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 1 year ago
Beautiful.
Scheckig 1 year ago
I agree with you.
andresking55 1 year ago
amen to that
onlywhenprovoked 1 year ago
Religion is Walmart. Atheism is a specialty shop.
dildace 1 year ago 10
@dildace Good comparison.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
@dildace Atheism is enterpueneralship. Religion is a Business.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
yeah, the day that the term atheism is pointless is a day i'd look forward to. I'm happy to live in a world were people have different ethics to me as long as they are actually taking the time to think about their positions rather than getting their ideas from a 2000 year old book. It's just pointless and boring otherwise.
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
Very well said, Cris.
Razlith 1 year ago
Thank you Cris, my thoughts exactly on this notion that atheism needs a "positive message". Why limit the notion/idea of atheism in such a way? Don't be afraid when the abyss stares back etc.
It doesn't need to compete with the pros/cons of religion; it just "is". Take the concept and run with it or dismiss it for the phantasm(s) of your choice.
Peace.
logicaust 1 year ago
snake oil #FTW !
freethinker923 1 year ago
@freethinker923 Cool font tricks, Mr freethinker!
Rh1no1 1 year ago
Atheism does not refer to God. "God" is the Christian god. Atheism refers to all gods and goddesses.
TheLonelyImmortal 1 year ago 2
great video, man
pinochet222 1 year ago
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stubbornVN 1 year ago
I'm fine with not believing in God and NOT making it my job to create a movement about it.
Rh1no1 1 year ago
@Rh1no1 The Humanists and The Bright Movement have already started. :)
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago
lol what the hell is this guy talking about??
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
I think religious people use morality as one of their main arguments that a god exists. Victims of war, poverty and natural disarsters, death on a massive scale is part of their Gods moral rederick. I think humanity gives its self far too much credit and should humble them selves a little, we are self aware so most think we have a God,he created a baby in his image to live in a garbage dump in Indonisia to endure suffering,only to know pain, to live off the flesh of rats.fucking hilarious morals
Mrtitmice 1 year ago
I think that the atheism movement will evolve into a much broader "rationalist" movement where "skeptics" will always press for logical and reasoned thinking. Basically, skepdtics will be against bullshit of all kinds. I dont see bullshit going away anythime soon.
SkullVodka 1 year ago
Very wise words, my friend. Atheism only comes together to unite against a common powerful foe. And that power is only in numbers. I find myself using the term Atheist, simply to simplify the relationship with the common denominator of theists. It is to say, "I'm not one of them.". Or, "I'm not one of you". Sometimes I think it is to say, "No, I will not hide. I think I have a valid claim, and you have to deal with it in the open." I see a rejection, or challenge, of the authoritative stance.
RichardRoy2 1 year ago
@RichardRoy2 Yeah, I'm not keen on how people sometimes assume I think a certain way just because I happen to be an atheist.
agentm83 1 year ago
Amen brah!
Voidic 1 year ago
Very well put.
pumkinpi2 1 year ago
I Never thought about it that way, nice video.
TheDarkSagan 1 year ago
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stubbornVN 1 year ago
Don't hold your breath friend.
JustinBringit 1 year ago
I'm an atheist that doesn't believe that the simple belief in god will ever completely go away. As many theists will tell you, atheism doesn't offer anything. There will always be a large percentage of people that will take comfort over the truth. The best we could possibly hope for is deism. If we can get rid of the dogma of religion, no doubt in my mind the world could be a better place.
melowar78 1 year ago
fuck groupthink
shalylol 1 year ago
...AND ON THAT GLORIOUS DAY!
THERE WILL BE A GEM-A-THON @ CRISTOFER7's
can I get an, AMEN?
;)
LasraelLarson 1 year ago
@LasraelLarson Yeah you want a man don't you? Joking man.
TehCompGuy 1 year ago
I completely agree with you Cristofer.
shreddakj 1 year ago
Excellent response.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
SPEAK THE WORD, BROTHER!!!
I love your vids, man. You are intelligent, informative, and most of all captivating. This plague will be demolished. People like you (and I on a smaller platform) are laying the ground work for wiping this, this repugnant paste off the face of the Earth! Keep up the great work man!
metallicrazy8891 1 year ago
I concur. But religion has to go away first
sambricky 1 year ago
@sambricky Not gonna happen, unfortunately.
agentm83 1 year ago
@agentm83 Well, not in our lifetime anyway
sambricky 1 year ago
@sambricky
There are a lot of ideas that are 'religious'; in nature that are not labeled "religion." Human beings seem to have this compulsion. When we lack knowledge or understanding, we start with assumptions. It's this kind of thinking that has to go. Not just "religion." People are often times scared to death of critical thought. Why? Because at times, critical thought leaves you alone with "I don't know" and that's too much for a lot of people to handle. (cont)
Sarahon06 1 year ago 2
First we have to learn not to be afraid of the unknown. Until we get over that fear, ideas that are 'religious' in nature will continue to thrive. Fear and ignorance fucked and they had a baby named "dogmatic thought." Know your enemy I always say.
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 Can you please elaborate on this message. I think what you are saying is fear and ignorance causes superstition. I know we need fear so we know what's good for us or not good for us. As ignorance goes. I think we were all born ignorant. And we learn as we go. And the truth is no one will ever know everything. Therefore we will always maintain some level of ignorance.
sambricky 1 year ago
@sambricky
"I think what you are saying is fear and ignorance causes superstition."
I'd say they do. Fear more so than ignorance. While I understand the need for fear at times, it does it's share of damage as well. I suppose what I was driving at is that people fear ignorance. Most superstitious people seem to have an issue with lacking knowledge. So when they can't explain something or find an answer they cling to whatever answers were offered to them (be they logical or not)
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 I have to agree with you on the fear of ignorance matter. Where the logical thinker understands he or she cannot know everything. The superstitious person needs something to fill the gaps before good solid evidence is discovered.
sambricky 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 I suspect the fear of critical thought is partly due to being soley responsible for the outcome of your own thoughts. It can be hard to say, "I did this" if it is a negative thing. We don't always see the value of "I did this" as a stepping stone to the stage of recognition that "I misunderstood an aspect of reality" and must now alter it. That brings us to another fear; that we must change. Our emotions are powerful tools, but I don't think we really have a clear understanding in it.
RichardRoy2 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 Really what I was saying is that as long as we have religion we will have atheism. I guess you can look at a rainbow or a butterfly and say you're having a religious experience. But what I am talking about is the superstitious stuff. And I am willing to believe anything based on tangible evidence.
sambricky 1 year ago
Good video. Atheism doesn't presuppose any other view on any other topics beside the god question.
Atheism's only job, so to speak, is to remove a specific impediment to finding the answer to the other big questions, not to be an answer to all questions in and of itself.
bowlsallbroken 1 year ago
How bout Atheist OT?
premed2 1 year ago
I share the same hope. Well put!
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago