Zappa Plays Zappa : Echidna's Arf part 1 & bonus

[TheLeastDiseased]

This is Village Of The Sun Not Echidna's Arf.

[lirvana2]

This is Village Of The Sun!

[maximumsatann]

Napoleon is a rapist

[Bix12]

Blah, blah,blah.......Villiage Of The Sun...ahhhhhhhh! '73-'75...my fave Zappa incarnation.

[AtanasovPetar]

I am not too aware of Frank Zappa's full discography but this is the first song i heard that has interesting harmony.

[maximumsatann]

@AtanasovPetar Your lack of awareness is blindingly obvious in such a statement

[AtanasovPetar]

@maximumsatann No...i heard his stuff and most of it has boring harmony.He did some great things in his own style of playing/writing but can't match with musical sophistication in any way with the jazz guys like Chick Corea.

[maximumsatann]

@AtanasovPetar His playing is more in the Modal Jazz tradition and the vamps that he blows over are reasonably static. However harmonically in other cases he is incredibly rich. Part of his harmonic vocabulary reminds me of later American Minimalism.

[AtanasovPetar]

@maximumsatann You just connected 2 opposite things!!Modal Jazz and Static harmony.I never heard more stupid thing in my life.Jazz music has modal harmony NOT functional.That means the harmony modulates often so you have to change scales with the chord changes.Functional harmony is when you don't have modulations and all the chords relate to 1 root.Frank Zappa doesn't modulate!So i have no idea how did you came up in your mind to link those things.

[maximumsatann]

@AtanasovPetar Not wholly static but revolving around 2 or 3 chord vamps with the harmonic framework articulated by FZ modally. Not stupid at all.

[AtanasovPetar]

@maximumsatann Doesn't change the fact that has nothing to do with jazz and nothing to do with good improvisation.It's noodling around.It's possible to make good improvisation on a static harmony but you need very good rhythm overall specially if you want your improvisation to have some sense.I would say that is what he lacks most.

[maximumsatann]

@AtanasovPetar You seem to have deviated from the point which was my classification of Zappa's harmonic sense. It is a very idiosyncratic take on a Jazz idea and at times is very noodly but he does modulate incrementally and it is in principle a primitive form of Modal Jazz. Search "Frank Zappa, His Bizarre Relationship With Jazz". It's a good BBC Radio 4 documentary on this very topic, albeit less technically.

[darkgnite1]

everyone in this band is extremely talented. when i saw them live i wish they had this singer.

[buxtonsofun]

Styggo...Frank did play Gibson's ...they were his favorite although he did play a few different Gibson models

[roachrip]

so dang good...it;ll take the paint off ur car and ah ruin ur windsheild too!!

[diggjc]

seems there playin too fast to absorb the feel!!!

[Ebenezerenkyoo]

Napoleon Murphy Brock still kicks ass.

Needs a little George Duke, but an excellent performance.

By the way, this is actually Village of the Sun.

The song that starts at 3:18 is Echidna's Arf.

[devolve42]

93 people seem to appreciate this video in some way.

[Probabilmente]

may you post the complete lineup? thanx!

[Probabilmente]

may you post the complete formation? thanx!

[DjGreeneOfficial]

Sheila Gonzales is a crazy ass good sax gypsy...

:D

[bvsnbull]

My bad carlerrh. Bruce Fowler played trombone with Frank. Saw Frank in St. Louis in mid-70's. Warmup band was Styx. All the little teenage girls left and the die hards had Frank to ourselves.

[yougotcrad1]

what is this from a dvd? do need.

[WillHammerhead]

i love this dvd its like my favorite

[adrianvaksdal]

Pete is awesome!

[duclrene]

Maravilha!! O tempo não passa e nós continuamos os mesmos. Estaremos vivos para sempre em nossos filhos e em nossa alma. Viva Zappa!!!!!!!

[stanwilcox]

love this singer, good to see Dweezil carry on the family business

[bvsnbull]

Jeff Fowler on bass I believe. Frank's bassist. Bring the crew back to the STL. My kid was sick the last time through and he's feeling guilty as hell the old man had to miss the show.

[carlerrh]

@bvsnbull no that would be Pete Griffin

[christopherbeecher]

Help us out guys, who's on bass here??  He's wonderful, SUCH a good sound and stage presence!

[papalazerus22]

these muso's are at the top of their game !!! x love em all x

[theknightmarlowe]

Do I spy a vaultmeister on drums...???

[Dviddies]

great - who is singer

[Qermaq]

@Dviddies Napoleon Murphy Brock

[wonderyak]

Sheila Gonzales is amazing.

[TheGaetano62]

she play 6 instruments

[phizbin]

Not Franks guitar, but a reproduction of the same style Gibson...

[yeamotherfucker666]

the gutair that Dweezil is using, is that Franks old one?

[angie4josh]

@yeamotherfucker666

I would like to administer christ to you.

[stiggyto]

@yeamotherfucker666 no, franks guitar wasn't a gibson,that one is a gibson

[stiggyto]

@zewerw look up in the studio with dweezil zappa,he says that perticular guitar is a gibson in the video.

[zewerw]

@stiggyto I know it's a Gibson.... it's an SG. like Franks, not the same one, I see that now. Earlier you said it wasn't a Gibson... I'm just saying.

[stiggyto]

@zewerw I supposed he was talking about the baby snakes sg, which is arguably the more famous of the two. The baby snakes sg also at one point had a maestro vibrato like the sg in this video.

[zewerw]

@stiggyto Frank did play a Gibson SG on some of his earlier albums after the Mothers days.

[stiggyto]

@zewerw He played a gibson sg for roxy and elsewhere and a custom built sg during the baby snakes era. I dont know much about his guitars from after the mothers except for the lp custom and the perormance strat so you could be right on that.

[ernzzz]

i like how the mix of the odd time signatures, and the wild harmonies, make me feel weird.. sort of enlighted..

[gilbertgodlyddd]

@ernzzz

Yeah it's pretty amazing, there's some 20/16 time in there and all sorts of CRAZY. Keeps me coming back for more.

[MaXaNoMaLoUs]

Where's RUTH?? they played it slower too, I bet its hard to play, this is AWESOME though. Show everyone u know. This Album "Roxy & Elsewhere" best disk ever!!!!! show your kids!

[simpkal]

check out you can't do that on stage anymore vol 2 also!

it's frank's favorite album

[pawik2006]

Scheila Gonzales rulez! Goddess...

[ernzzz]

she's a devil!!

[MisterDensity]

This is Village of the Sun!!! Not Echidna's Arf of You

[xxxhemplerxxx]

Echidna's Arf begins at 3:18

look in the "infobox":

"Zappa Plays Zappa : public performance Echidna's Arf from Roxy & Elsewhere, excellent quality, plus Village of the Sun as bonus"

[green727]

@xxxhemplerxxx Thank you! This is the best.

[jaffijoe]

Wow! You're definitely pretty dense, MisterDensity. I sure can't say that you don't advertise yourself truthfully.

[woodsterix]

they cross into each other

[anitarny]

SINGING ABOUT MY HOME TOWN sUN vILLAGE - awesome!

[nickrubberneck]

Jean Reno on drums too! Bonus!

;)

[perromanchado]

terrific

[jacosan]

whos she?..she rocks

[knoxlobster]

scheila gonzalez, we call her Foghorn Sally for short though...

[darkgnite1]

she is extremely talented, i saw them live last week and she was one of the best performers in the group.

[toxicity28]

shes also a very nice lady to talk to

[metabog]

Is that steve vai?

[borgesbacobass]

Yes, that is. Steve Vai started his carreer with Frank Zappa, in Zappa's latest years I think. That's why he maybe in this DVD. Also, Terry Bozio, played with Zappa.

[Francologne]

This is not Edchina's arf. Thanks anyway for posting VotS!

[UpTheWazooFilms]

This is excellent, but it could've been sped up just a tad bit.

[osmanrock]

great drummer!!! he plays with a sensibility and passion!!!

[loganharriman]

that marimba player is killer

[omegaman416]

Awesome. Village of The Sun and Steve Vai. They are rockin and jazzin and in sync. Dare you naysayers. Fine job D bro!

[uburei]

stop that guitar voices in that tune!!!!!

there's nothing to do with the piece!!!

[uburei]

dweezil sucks

[exentr]

What do you mean? Probably Zappa Family Trust does the same as Zappa did.

[frankzappa74]

q buen disco roxy y elsewhere de zappa...

esta buena la version de echidnas arf of you, pero me gusta mas la version del disco roxy...

zappa un maestro

[zappahead538]

amazing peace of muzic

[uburei]

OMG this is so dead, FUCK...

except for the singer the other players would be better dead

[uburei]

what i'm saying is that there's totally a lack of joy in here, like they're so concentrated to execute the piece that they lost the main joyful thing of the whole, really just take a look at any live zappa performance! I'd rather prefer they play it badly than dead like this!! except for Napoleon everything sounds worst than a midifile!!!

[knoxlobster]

theres a bootleg kicking about from a few years after this and they play G-spot tornado (its labeled as purple lagoon though) and its like 95% accurate to the synclavier version from jazz from hell... its practically a midi file... like robots.

i agree with you on the humourless comment, going to see them next week in edinborough, tis the closest im going to get, i was 6 when frank died

[darkgnite1]

i was 2

[xtop23]

Going to see ZPZ in Santa Cruz soon ..... cant wait

[devolve42]

Echidna's Arf is the greatest song ever. Thank you Dweezil for making this happen.

[senna01]

What the hell are they singing at 2:48?

Definitely not something about some Johnny Frankling.

[aamgcv]

There all still there, in their thermal underwear...

[graydog8]

NMB is awesome and Steve Vai is the omniscient, benevolent god of guitar. Go Dweezil!

[poppertea]

village is a bit faster which i think is better and echidna's is a bit slower which i think is worse:)

good stuff though

[b0b1919]

they only play it that slow because vai can't keep up with the arpeggios because he's not very good at guitar

omg lolz, jk. Seriously awesome rendition and I think the Vai guest spots on the shows were great. Good to see the two prodigees from the 80s keeping the music alive (along with mr Brock)

[GreggaryPeccary]

"they only play it that slow because vai can't keep up with the arpeggios because he's not very good at guitar"

Oh my god, who said that?!? Did you mean that?!?

[b0b1919]

lol no, it was a joke

[GreggaryPeccary]

aha? Is anybody laughing?

[GreggaryPeccary]

Oh wait LOL. I got mixed up there, thought you were replying to another comment

[francfortois]

I didnt knew Steve Vai toured with ZPZ!

[seth3556r]

Steve Vai actually sounded better when he was with Zappa because of his technique, but now He doesn't sound that great anymore.

[MittNamnJoysurrender]

he was a guest that concert

[fergible]

He toured with ZPZ that year.

[BunBeeJazz]

ur an idiot.

[seth3556r]

What? How am I an idiot?

[BunBeeJazz]

Steve Vai has always been awesome, evolving, still freaky and zany. If you watch Stevies Spanking, it's cool to see how Vai sounds like Zappa then and Zappa in that clip sounds like Vai now. No matter what he's is just the best. Zappa made Vai, in every sense though.

[seth3556r]

I don't think so, but it's your ears not mine.

[Cel111]

Although I must say this sounds a lot more mellow then the original. Not enough bite to my taste.

[Cel111]

I went to see Frank Zappa twices and he never played Village of the sun wich I found a shame because it was my favourite Zappa song. So I was pleasently surprised that they playes during a ZPZ concert...echnida's arf (of you) was also a favourite ... from my favourite zappa album, Roxy & Elswhere. Great stuff!!

[proevopreetz]

Thanks Shaktidej for adding part 1!

[mrbeermug]

FYI, the main song on the video you uploaded is Village of the Sun. The "bonus" you mention is part of Echidna's Arf, but not the whole thing.

[Shaktidej]

Yep I know that but the actual title is in response to the 2nd part of Echidna's which I posted some time ago and people screamed for the begining :)

[GreggaryPeccary]

Good comment, mrbeermug. This is actually Village of the Sun, echidna starts at 3:28. Whoever gave you thumbs down is a dimwit and a dipshit. The guy who posted this is masking it a little

[subatomicllove]

Napoleon Murphy is just GREAT,Everybody here are AWESOME!

[subatomicllove]

Lovely!!!brings back great memories,excellent version!Thanks again Shaktidej!