Riz Khan - Climate change and developing nations - 8 Dec 09 - Part 2

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey :

Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defense in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations:

-UN

-Greenpeace International

-Greenpeace USA

-Amnesty International

-UNICEF

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

Lucis Trust - The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations :

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill".

In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." = a One World Government.. . .

[SuddenCatharsis]

I love it when leftist issues clash. On the one hand they want everyone to reduce emissions but on the other hand that would hold back those poor brown people from developing into industrial nations.

[ager74]

Enjoy the warming while you can hehe, as it is about to get severally cold around the Church of Climatology :)

[Wrath0fKhan]

I dont enjoy it at all, ager74. Even we "here" are measuring movements in the biotope that hasnt been there for centuries. Some people will definitely get wet feet rather sooner than later.

I will do my best convincing our gullible leadership not repeat the mistakes of the Scandinavians (if you know what i mean)... :))

[Wrath0fKhan]

*not to repeat

[ager74]

Science is the pursuit of the truth, but when they fail to produce the evidence or what they do produce they fudge, it stops being science and becomes a religeon that requires faith to beleive in, and like any religeon you can never argue reason or debate faith as it is the interpretation of the individual. I am just so happy that when this bullshyte comes crashing down so many of these liars will loose so much money its wonderfull, and a few will not pass go, and move directly to jail lmfao

[Wrath0fKhan]

Yeah, the evidence is crushing. World is warming, glaciers are melting, toxic brown cloud is expanding, etc. What other evidence do you want, ager74? LOL

[ager74]

Wrath of Khan, ok if we accept the Glaciers are melting and if we accept the earth is warming, if we accept allof this, even though the evidence for it has been fudged beyond beleif. If we accept it, can you explain what the or how the Copenhagen Agreement or a Carbon Tax, can or will resolve this. C02 is miniscule amount of our atmosphere, and our contribution to it is 30%, so if we shut down all production on the earth for 30 years, which is impossible we can possibly stop 1 degree of warming.

[Wrath0fKhan]

Better you do accept that, ager74. There is crushing evidence which was established by the means of gravitomentry from the space.

What? Fudged? Where? No one has even attempted to challange it. Feel free to deliver. You will find all relevant data and related inferences published in respective journals.

Your "math" is indeed flawed, yet that doesnt matter. Here are some latest news with some refined predictions based on the latest data.

pik-potsdam(.)de/news

[ager74]

So a big Volcanic erruption would cancel all the work. And the scientists know this, but the Government have succeded in taxing the last thing on Earth the very air that we breath. Global Warming/Climate Change, is and always has been an absolute joke, and these tree hugging beleivers, only have a voice because the Governments can tax it. Look to the past the third world was never involved with Climate Change before, but now they are offered compensation, they are all crying about it hahahaha

[Wrath0fKhan]

Out of phase, ager74?

[ager74]

I thankyou kindley Warath of Kahn,but i must draw your attention the data, admitted by the IPCC, is only 95% in the public domain, that all important 5% you know the fudged date :) is quietlysat with other parties, and unavailable to third part consultation loool. Many people are currently and have been attempting to challenge it but as you know FOIA requests globally have been ignored, and this is the problem as the IPCC know it is fudged, but it will all come out in the wash it always does :)

[Wrath0fKhan]

Certainly you are talking about those 5% that were deemed irrelevant. Wasnt it those useless tree rings, or was it, ager74? 95% damn, that means we are to 95%"doomed". If you think that 5% can save you, good luck, you will need it.

Yet what is your straw man about? Ive been proposing here a completely different set of data like gravitometry provided by the "grace experiment" and indeed experiments in glaciology "on the spot" (so to say). All independent evidence leading to one conclusion.

[ager74]

The whole world is waking up to them they are a total embarresment of over inflated egotistical hasbeens, that have suffered severe lack of attention for years, now they are getting a bit for a few weeks after that we can put them back in the cupboard where they belong with their bullshyte science. They even have to rely on students and kids to sell it loool that says it all, as soon as i see an add with a kid on it, i think oooops propoganda, no truth in that hahahaha, they are a joke

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

Kindly; investigate ''CLIMATE GATE''

This is all a big hoah and you will find the truth.

from their own mouths, uhm E-mails

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

AlJazeera: don't say you didn't know.

Crimes Against Humanity will be hold accountable.

Those who commit them and those who hide/allow them are must be prepared to face the consequenses that will soon befall on them.

[oyePhoker]

This is just some petty stuff between scientists. But the fact is that the climate is changing and it is due to human activity. The glaciers are melting and the sea levels are rising, wish the backward rednecks in middle America could go up into the mountains and actually see the glaciers. The attitude that climate change skeptics is this, "well keep taking cocaine until we can 100% prove that it really really is harmful".

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

You make many assumtions about my personality and attributes.

That shows the level of intelligence your research.

Petty stuff huh ?

That changes the whole political and economic stucture in the world; New World Order ?!?

Into the hands of the view that are sucking the blood of the poor everywhere ?

Like i said; ''..and those who hide/allow them..''

since you're talking; be prepared.

[oyePhoker]

Im not into any new world order stuff, thats for impractical ppl. On the other side of the spectrum we have self-serving idiots like you.

Yes those letters are all petty, because the actual amount of data that exists is more than enough to prove that human activities are causing problems. Have you ever been up to the glaciers? well I have as part of a joint project to damn some of them up. Melting glaciers in the mountains = floods in the regions below. I guess you wouldn't know that.

[oyePhoker]

The whole political setup in the developed world and the developing world if fucked. No political will for shit, and to compound matters we have yahoo like you. LOL .. just add oil to the shitty flame and create more green house gases. Do some more intelligent research yourself instead of relying on you right wing middel america bullshit.

[oyePhoker]

HAHAHA I just took a look at your profile, your wallpaper tell itself tells me enough about you, since obviously I'll just end up debating with a pseudo-educated dodo.

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

No debate.

Prepare

[ager74]

For sure have been following the e'mail story since it first broke, the whole scenario just shows not just the corrupt science but also brings the MSM and the government and banks nicely together as being one big pile of stinking shyte, and these Religous nutters need serious help. C02 is a miniscule part of the atmosphere and we contribute to 30% of that miniscule amount of C02, so if we stoped producing it for 30 years one good volcano would put it all back. Lool Crime-atologists are a joke

[WhoAreYouPointingAt]

These are not religious nutters; they try to create religious nutters.

Those bloodsuckers will take on any cloak they can to reach their goal.

I'm quite religious myself, but that doesn't stop me from using my God given brain.

And very suspicious of everybody; to the point of nearly paranoid(joke), haha, so that helps

Seriously; good intentions aren't nesaserily a guarantee for a good outcome.

There's way to much at stake to be naive, or arrogant

We can not leave Justice to the next man

Respect

[ager74]

Okay had enough, i agree the third world is in trouble and the west needs to help if it can, but these bloody climate change nutters are using the third world, and kids to sell their rubbish science it is ridiculous, giving money to the third world just goes into the pockets of the third world dictators, this has been established for years, everytime the governments want policy they role the third world Propoganda out, but never bloody help them never.

[noel0083]

as far as the third world goes you just need to know who to give the aid to.

[ager74]

One thing that everyone is overlooking UK,America, Europe is in the grip of a recesion the governments have never wanted to help combined before, do you really honestly think that the third world is on the top of their lists. What they are doing is cruel they are dangling a carrot to the third world so they all say there is something wrong with the climate, they dont give a shyte the climate or the people in the world they never have, they care is money and power. Copenhagen is a disgrace

[noel0083]

i agree. the industrial world views the third world as a factory that needs to be controlled.

[djoiz1]

History shows the same corporations that are turning Africa into an inhabitable land, are also throwing their change on the continent thinking that it would solve something, they're privatizing water and electricity over there. i think that the real solution would be to get humans (if they're still humans) to exploit earth resources in a way that respects mother nature.

[danmanjones]

She was a communist in NZ and now she is a communist at the UN. She's never had a real job. Don't ever come back "Aunty Helen".

[zapproowsdower]

It's almost impossible to believe, first a scientific fraud, and then a political fraud, both directly related to the IPCC talks. Sounds like the deal is already off.