@jsymons1985 Schweickart is a market socialist. Anarcho-syndicalists advocate libertarian communism, and are thus market abolitionists. So Schweickart's systematic approach would be a little different from what Rocker is talking about here.
@agapeiron I think a lot of distinctions here are semantic ones. Schweickart accepts the reality of commerce, true, but I have never seen a coherent description of a model, (particularly of an anti market system) that represents any of the underlying ideals of an anarcho-syndicalism closer than Schweickart. Have you?
@jsymons1985 There is in fact,one closer to anarcho-syndicalism than Schweickart's idea, its called "Participatory economics" (abbreviated PARECON) and its market abolitionist, for more details you can find the whole book online called "PARECON : Life After Capitalism" by Michael Albert, some anarcho-syndicalists may not agree with this, but this is closer than anyone. Secondly,Schweickart's idea is a 21th century Mutualism in the tradition of Proudhon, Protectionism is the only thing different
@jsymons1985 i meant, Schweickart's advoacy of protectionism is the only thing that makes a different between Proudhon's Mutualism and economic democracy. You should also check Mutualism another good one inside the anarchist tendency and the wider Libertarian Socialist tradition.
@jsymons1985 Like any political tradition, there are different tendencies. If you're looking for a model you might find one in Santillan, but I think anarchists, being federalists, have generally tried to avoid comprehensive models, relying instead on actual situations, how a libertarian communist society could develop in concrete struggles, regionally or nationally. So many libertarians have tried not to dabble in any model-building, which might lead to a utopianism divorced from practice.
@jsymons1985 Having said that, I might add that I don't think it's controversial that libertarian communists don't have any room for a commercial sector in their diverse and often conflicting visions of a free society. I think this consensus on abolishing markets is one of the core features of libertarian communism, be it anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-communist or what have you. So I don't see it as a semantic distinction.
Check out Rudolf Rocker, Fernand Pelloutier, G.P. Maximoff, etc.
More and more I lean toward Anarcho-syndicalism
cosmicforums 4 months ago
The video, "David schweickart economic democracy part 1" describes a systematic approach to something like this. watch?v=OT4cNwC-aGQ
jsymons1985 1 year ago
@jsymons1985 Schweickart is a market socialist. Anarcho-syndicalists advocate libertarian communism, and are thus market abolitionists. So Schweickart's systematic approach would be a little different from what Rocker is talking about here.
agapeiron 8 months ago
@agapeiron I think a lot of distinctions here are semantic ones. Schweickart accepts the reality of commerce, true, but I have never seen a coherent description of a model, (particularly of an anti market system) that represents any of the underlying ideals of an anarcho-syndicalism closer than Schweickart. Have you?
jsymons1985 8 months ago
@jsymons1985 There is in fact,one closer to anarcho-syndicalism than Schweickart's idea, its called "Participatory economics" (abbreviated PARECON) and its market abolitionist, for more details you can find the whole book online called "PARECON : Life After Capitalism" by Michael Albert, some anarcho-syndicalists may not agree with this, but this is closer than anyone. Secondly,Schweickart's idea is a 21th century Mutualism in the tradition of Proudhon, Protectionism is the only thing different
Menace3434 8 months ago
@jsymons1985 i meant, Schweickart's advoacy of protectionism is the only thing that makes a different between Proudhon's Mutualism and economic democracy. You should also check Mutualism another good one inside the anarchist tendency and the wider Libertarian Socialist tradition.
Menace3434 8 months ago
@jsymons1985 Like any political tradition, there are different tendencies. If you're looking for a model you might find one in Santillan, but I think anarchists, being federalists, have generally tried to avoid comprehensive models, relying instead on actual situations, how a libertarian communist society could develop in concrete struggles, regionally or nationally. So many libertarians have tried not to dabble in any model-building, which might lead to a utopianism divorced from practice.
agapeiron 8 months ago
@jsymons1985 Having said that, I might add that I don't think it's controversial that libertarian communists don't have any room for a commercial sector in their diverse and often conflicting visions of a free society. I think this consensus on abolishing markets is one of the core features of libertarian communism, be it anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-communist or what have you. So I don't see it as a semantic distinction.
Check out Rudolf Rocker, Fernand Pelloutier, G.P. Maximoff, etc.
agapeiron 8 months ago
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'Anarcho-Syndicalism' is a form of coercive statism.
Everything should be voluntary, the exact opposite of 'Anarcho-Syndicalism'.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
I'm reading this book at the moment. This has to be one of the best books on Anarchism.
TheLeftLibertarian 2 years ago
Great man.
Nederlandac 2 years ago