anyone can put their foot down and go in circles, show some skill and do some wide radius drift style doughnuts, have a person stand in the middle and do doughnuts around them.
I too was a member of that team. I helped build and tune that engine (1st in acceleration).
skallir, we did have arguably one of the best cars there that year and we lost the toe on the right rear tire on the LAST lap of endurance! It was still making laps when they black flagged us because of the tire that went flying off some other teams car previous year.
Casey, I love you man. Friends forever but I disagree. I feel it was in good fun and a show for all. The comp was over at that point! Jon
That engine was a Honda F4i with reground F4i cams down to an F3 ish profile. Heads were ported and polished, transmission gutted for only the gears we needed, and a very custom carbon fiber intake manifold with a barrel throttle. Exhaust was a short tube 4-1 header all custom. EFI was dyno tuned and track tweaked.
I was a member of that team and knew it well. It is my stance that FSAE is an invaluable program for students around the world. As a person that is racing seriously, let me make some suggestions to FSAE teams based on that experience. >There is a fine line between being confident and arrogant. >Let the team member that is best at a job, do their job. That includes test and competition driving. >Give everyone a fair chance to shine and SUPPORT your team members.
If you really think the team was testing when that happened, think again. The burnout was nothing more than a few arrogant team leaders that were bent out of shape that they couldn't win at competition fairly. Cowboy college kid mentality made them heros for a day and poisoned the team since. This was at the end of competition after the car did not finish the endurance run. A good thing too, because that would have ruined the weekend.
haha... you guys dude everywhere a bad name. I am in FSAE and there is nothing like wanting to see something that you've built with your hands totally shred up the pavement. Every team does this. It's practically a torture test for the vehicle to see if it can even stand up to brutal punishment. We don't build these things to be babied. They are race cars! This is practically a safety test to make sure the things doesn't fall apart.
If you want to justify it like that, thats fine. Personally I don't want my FSAE car treated this way, because too much time and effort has gone into it.
True you can you can use a dyno for the forces the engine transmits. But on a dyno you can't impart a lateral force. unless you only want to go off of simulations donuts are actually a good way test to the car under high lateral gs.
Is this not what the skidpan event tests? A test can be easily set up in a carpark or empty space using a few cones, and it becomes a controlled test with results and data you can actually analyse and learn from. A burnout tells you nothing.
It is not steady state, but fairly close if the surface is good.
I understand what your saying, and I'm definitely not saying that they where doing that for testing purpose. It's true that a skidpad is a far more controllable test, but the fact that doing donuts is not a controllable test is what makes its good test. It lets you see the effects of unknown forces on our drivetrain/wheel hubs.
donuts? high lateral gs? I doubt that the lateral acceleration during that donut "test" is close to the max lateral acceleration that car can achieve be staying within the limits of grip.
i remember hearing about this, this was after endurance and something on their car failed and they were really pissed (Ohio that is) because it was easily one of the best cars there. awesome burnout though.
Seriously... there is a place for idiots like these guys. It's called baja.
arexeight 2 years ago
has any formula SAE car ever used series electric hybrid drivetrain?
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
They have their own, much newer series called Formula Hybrid.
Liquidfire3240 2 years ago
all you get with donuts is worn tires and overheated engine. it's such a douche too vin too diesel thing to do
DanFrederiksen 2 years ago
NICE! and you left a masterpiece all over the asphalt when you were done :)
0sLKd2 2 years ago
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arexeight 3 years ago
anyone can put their foot down and go in circles, show some skill and do some wide radius drift style doughnuts, have a person stand in the middle and do doughnuts around them.
StevoM5 3 years ago
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hhspunter 2 years ago
I too was a member of that team. I helped build and tune that engine (1st in acceleration).
skallir, we did have arguably one of the best cars there that year and we lost the toe on the right rear tire on the LAST lap of endurance! It was still making laps when they black flagged us because of the tire that went flying off some other teams car previous year.
Casey, I love you man. Friends forever but I disagree. I feel it was in good fun and a show for all. The comp was over at that point! Jon
jonprevost 3 years ago
@jonprevost
hey man what motor did yall use?
oldschoolbugs 2 years ago
That engine was a Honda F4i with reground F4i cams down to an F3 ish profile. Heads were ported and polished, transmission gutted for only the gears we needed, and a very custom carbon fiber intake manifold with a barrel throttle. Exhaust was a short tube 4-1 header all custom. EFI was dyno tuned and track tweaked.
jonprevost 2 years ago
thanks man
my team runs a yamaha R6 motor with high comp pistons, port and polish, a sweet aluminum intake plenum with CF intake restrictor
and of course an EFI tuner
oldschoolbugs 2 years ago
@jonprevost thats what my team r using now.. cars 30% done :)
alshemary 1 year ago
I was a member of that team and knew it well. It is my stance that FSAE is an invaluable program for students around the world. As a person that is racing seriously, let me make some suggestions to FSAE teams based on that experience. >There is a fine line between being confident and arrogant. >Let the team member that is best at a job, do their job. That includes test and competition driving. >Give everyone a fair chance to shine and SUPPORT your team members.
Casey Putsch
putsch1 3 years ago
If you really think the team was testing when that happened, think again. The burnout was nothing more than a few arrogant team leaders that were bent out of shape that they couldn't win at competition fairly. Cowboy college kid mentality made them heros for a day and poisoned the team since. This was at the end of competition after the car did not finish the endurance run. A good thing too, because that would have ruined the weekend.
putsch1 3 years ago
your kidding yourelf if you think they are using that for valid testing. thats gonna be one dizzy mother fucker
1wiperdude 3 years ago
O-H
thats pretty awesome...
Keith43221 3 years ago 2
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rebldodakr 4 years ago
Didn't they get in trouble for that?
skoczzy 4 years ago
good R&D work.
123kkholiday33 4 years ago
silly...
junglehead99 4 years ago
How bloody reckless is that shit? You guys didn't win, so you thought you'd tear shit up? You guys give the whole competition a bad name.
Grow up.
digitalpho3nix 4 years ago
haha... you guys dude everywhere a bad name. I am in FSAE and there is nothing like wanting to see something that you've built with your hands totally shred up the pavement. Every team does this. It's practically a torture test for the vehicle to see if it can even stand up to brutal punishment. We don't build these things to be babied. They are race cars! This is practically a safety test to make sure the things doesn't fall apart.
bennyv04988 4 years ago
If you want to justify it like that, thats fine. Personally I don't want my FSAE car treated this way, because too much time and effort has gone into it.
Talk about professionalism. DOUCHEBAG.
digitalpho3nix 4 years ago
"Talk about professionalism. DOUCHEBAG."
hahaha... Way to take you're own advice. Go hack your calculator. We're going to go burn off some slicks.
bennyv04988 4 years ago
get over yourself their building race cars your suppose to have fun
plus that's valid testing you can test a lot of stuff (diffs, wheel hub bearings, etc.)
specracer29 4 years ago
Fair enough you should have fun when doing FSAE, but there is a point where it turns to stupidity.
Valid testing? Nothing a rolling road dyno can't test.
digitalpho3nix 4 years ago
True you can you can use a dyno for the forces the engine transmits. But on a dyno you can't impart a lateral force. unless you only want to go off of simulations donuts are actually a good way test to the car under high lateral gs.
specracer29 4 years ago
Is this not what the skidpan event tests? A test can be easily set up in a carpark or empty space using a few cones, and it becomes a controlled test with results and data you can actually analyse and learn from. A burnout tells you nothing.
It is not steady state, but fairly close if the surface is good.
digitalpho3nix 4 years ago
I understand what your saying, and I'm definitely not saying that they where doing that for testing purpose. It's true that a skidpad is a far more controllable test, but the fact that doing donuts is not a controllable test is what makes its good test. It lets you see the effects of unknown forces on our drivetrain/wheel hubs.
specracer29 4 years ago
donuts? high lateral gs? I doubt that the lateral acceleration during that donut "test" is close to the max lateral acceleration that car can achieve be staying within the limits of grip.
ShootandLoot 3 years ago
why dont you unwind your uptight ass a little bit buddy, its in a blocked off area.
Mtiger9388 4 years ago 2
i remember hearing about this, this was after endurance and something on their car failed and they were really pissed (Ohio that is) because it was easily one of the best cars there. awesome burnout though.
skallir 4 years ago
yep, the cooling system worked really well
MikeSadie 4 years ago
Did you guys find anything out from this "driveshaft testing"?
rpiian 4 years ago
I remember that year. I have video of that too. That was one solid car!! What ever happened to that guy? did he get ohio in trouble?
Funny thing is, in '04 they made the test area so small you could barely move.
gotpancit 4 years ago
wha wha wha wha wha wha wha wha wha swang it like ye
haystackrepper 5 years ago