Ok guys listen I'm tired of getting spammed bad comments so I'm gonna apologize about all the shit I've pulled off so ya see ya guys on the front lines!
dudes , remember it wasn't only US , who attacked on d-day , UK , Canada , New Zealand , Australia , Netherlands, Norway , France and Poland also fighted.
Lot of people don't remember about these countries , although US did main role in them , we shall remember everyone.
@2210ethan Ok, so as I remember Dutch and Norwegians fought in late d-day , not on Omaha beach or anywhere near , it was late d-day when paratroopers started to land. Australians were airforces not sure about Kiwis but I think they were navy
I guess their contributions were much more significant in other theatres compared to what they did on June 6th. The vast majority of troops involved were US/UK/Canadian units.
this movie is the exact reason I'am not joining the military if there is a draft I will show up Im not a draft dodger and if there is a draft atleast the Drill Instructor will be a little more condesending to the fact that im a bitch, but Im sorry if i get shot at im going to shit my pants plain and simple I dont think you want me on your squad when the enemy can track us through my shit pants
I've been reading your guys' responses to SupaSoap590. I'm with him on this one. Those two men were were Czech not German. My friend speaks Czech and he said that the two men didn't kill anyone and stuff like that.
@gtacod100 Well many of the Nazis were not bad. They fought to protect their way of life, and we fought to protect our way of life as well. We have war to protect and preserve our rights. It's with every country and it will be like that until we are all dead.
this is to "supasoap590" who gives a damn whether they surrendered or not? its either you pull that trigger or let a nazi live. 6 million people are dead becaus eof people like him. mixed with the fear and confusion running through the young men's head, you would have fired upon him as well.
You are an idiot - they were conscripts, much like the most of the US armed forces then. Also, if you took any notice of the film, he says: "I didn't shoot anyone...I was a carrier" and they shoot im. So they probably shot a cook or something. Very brave and heroic, you idiot.
? How does that relate to what I said about lacksbro being an idiot saying that all troops in german uniforms were nazis that were to be shot rather than taken prisoner?
Oh I knew that rangers were initially an all volunteer force, however that has nothing to do with my point, which was why I was somewhat confused as to what you mean.
No, in a previous post some american nitwit wrote " who gives a damn whether they surrendered or not? its either you pull that trigger or let a nazi live "
I was then saying then the troops on the ground (most of them anyway) were equivalent (I am not talking about the political SS troops)
OK. I don't think they were equivalent. Fighting for the Nazis (conscripted or not) isn't the same as fighting for the allies (conscripted or not). Many good Germans (and people of other nations) died or went to jail because they wouldn't accept Axis tyranny.
Incorrect. Being consripted to fight for your government gives no moral obligation to agree or disagree with their postion. Much like the allies hung several japanese air force officers for bombing Chinese cities, yet promoted and gave honors and medals and war pensions to volunteer and consript air crews that carpet bombed undefended german cities with minimal war industry. And the infantry was equivalent. Your position is political and overreaching, not considering the little guy
Disagree. Allied bombing was intended to shorten the war- to bring the end of the war closer, then the terror would stop. If the Axis had won, the killing would have continued. I think the moral obligation to avoid or refuse conscription into an unjust war is absolute- plenty of people refused the draft for Vietnam, for example.
As it says in 'Henry V' - "Every subject's duty is the king's, but every subject's soul's his own".
And of course the Nazi war machine publicly announced the existence of gas chambers, right? You are judging it morally with hindsight - not with the little information and confusion that existed in the respective populations at the time. There were many english and americans who couldn't believe what was said about the chambers until it was shown to the post war on film reels - and this information was not known to the general populace of Germany either.
Yes. Precisely the same way the US leveled Viet Nam, slaughtered Phillipino nationalists, etc etc etc... You still have not come up with a rational argument why a consript of the german heer ought to be shot on sight when surrendering rather than being taken prisoner of war as per geneva convention. Or failed to mention the double standards where you hung german officers for ordering things US/UK officers did and which you promoted and bestowed honors on them for.
Where did I say they should have been shot on sight? OK I'll answer for you, I didn't.
And you'll have to be specific about the hanging of Nazi war criminals- are you perhaps suggesting some kind of moral equivalency between the holocaust and (for example) the bombing of Dresden?
A german officer was sentenced to death for not taking prisoners in an action where he ordered an outnumbered outgunned infantry unit crushed under tank treads. He said no prisoners and run them to over. An action by a component of Pattons 3 army where the speed pressed home resulted in the flanking and machine gunning of infantry in open ground where they had no chance of survival. The german was hanged, the unit commander of the 3rd army was promoted.
Well lets start...firebombing of Hamburg, firebombing of Dresden (a non-military city with an important but not vital train switchyard) , firebombing of Tokyo and the nuclear bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Oh yes and Nagoya, Osaka and Kobe. Remember I am talking about the air officers - not the infantry guys that slaughtered the populace(on the japanese side in Nanking). As to the culpability, the Allied command had the same if not larger (greater civillian losses).
Absolute crap. The objective of the bombing campaigns was to shorten the war, thus reducing the loss of life. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the best examples of this,consider the war aims of those involved.
Hamburg - no industrial loss of output in 1943 (when it was bombed) loss later in 1944 when low oil supplies. Dresden a crime without excuse as the war was effectively over. Tokyo was firebombing a civilian section of the city - crime against humanity. ditto Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The whiny excuse that it saved lives of American marines is that - expedious state terror against civilian population to bring about desired result to prevent loss of popularity of politicians at home(!!!)
To limit myself to one of the points on which you are mistaken: Yes, Allied lives were saved by the A-bombings, (and this is no small thing) but a far, far greater number of Japanese civilian lives were saved. Look at what happened on Okinawa to the civilian populace- look at the mass suicides on Guam and Saipan, look at the military casualties on Iwo Jima. The Mainland would have been worse.
And the legal point here is that no matter what the expedience of the crime it should be judged equally without regard to the perpetrator. Which implies the officers in charge of dropping the bombs were to be tried for war crimes, sentenced the same the japanese air corps officers for bombing of nanking and then hanged. But of course no allied officer would be tried for carrying out these atrocities, because victors write the history books. Yes it may have saved lives - but the point
here is not the fact whether it saved more lives than no bombing and invasion, or bombing and surrender, but that war criminals in US military uniform were not tried for crimes against humanity because it was politically expedient - puting the US on par with Soviet Russia and their gulags and the Nazis with their death camps.
"politically expedient"? Well, yes, saving lives and ending the war was politically expedient. It was also surely the right thing to do- do you disagree?
Ending the war by breaching accepted conduct of war does not remove the duty of the country to prosecute officers and politicians which ordered the breach of the accepted conduct of war. Since the US did not do it, it reduced itself to the same level as the USSR, Japan and Germany.
Bombing MILITARY facilities would have been appropriate and I would have agreed. (Like leveling the remaining stores of military fuels). Slaughtering a defenseless population to make a point to Stalin-no
Not sure whose or what 'accepted conduct of war' you are referring to. Also not sure when you talk of 'making a point to Stalin' That the Russians had bowed to US pressure to ENTER the war with Japan and fought the last major battle of the war against the Japanese. You may or may not be aware that Hiroshima was a military depot and HQ for Honshu, and Nagasaki was an industrial centre. Hope this helps.
The international treaty on the conduct of war you bound yourself to under no foreign pressure referred to as the Geneva conventions. Russians didn't bow to US pressure to enter the war, they entered the war to extend their border further because they already knew from their spies the US would act against them post WW2. The Hiroshima military depot was at the edge of town - and was practically untouched by the blast. But you definately leveld the non-military center of town.
The Geneva convention forbids the 'targeting of civilians'.
I'm familiar with where the bombs landed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I lived in Hiroshima for years. The military infrastructure in Hiroshima was destroyed (you can read about this in the Hiroshima Museum). Obviously many civilians died, but more would have died if the war had continued, mainly (though not only) in Japan. And yes, Russia's entry to WW2 was requested by the US at Potsdam- "I got what I came for" (Truman).
And Nagasaki was also leveled mainly in the housing section, where there were significant concentrations of houses - by this time the US took and incorporated the "bomber Harris" doctrine of destroying civilian infrastructure to reduce industrial output as the survivors cannot work in factories.
my friends grandpa was a vet and he was in dday and he took his grandson to see this and he had to leave for half the movie because it was too much for him
Hey SupaSoap590 maybe your Grandpa wasn't on the D-Day beaches like my Dad was. It was war. Don't give me any of your bleeding heart liberal shit. The retreating germans slaughtered whole villages of innocent French women and children../and what he found at the end of the road was Belsen...so don't give ,
me any of your holocaust denying bullshit either because i lived through a childhood of his nightmares, asshole
Do you actually know that there s a GREATE difference between Soldiers and REAL nazis? Soldiers had to obey, with or without having same opinions, just like allies or soviet soldiers. I thought its quite common sense to LET soldiers surrender if they wanted to!
@inkwell64 Every country have did war crimes and there is good and bad soldiers in every army. USA(My Lai Massacre), Germany(Holocaust) and USSR(Katyn massacre). Soldiers in every army only did there duty for there country and followed leaders orders. If one evil soldier do war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers are bad. Of course Germany did war crimes and There was evil soldier also in Germany army but Most of soldiers were only normal soldiers who has nothing to do whit war crimes.
Ils ne faut pas oublier que les soldats allemands n'ont fait que d'obéir aux ordre de leurs supérieur. Il n'ont pas voulut de cette guerre, mais si ils refusaient ils seront tuées.
I cannot understand the soldiers firing the MG42's i, mean you're shooting medics, wounded soldiers, you're killing over hundreds of people, how can they live with such an idea?
Go ask american pilots how can they live with the thought of bombing civilian railroads in Serbia in 1999...you might get an enlightening response. /sarcasm off
@blackopsman42 he was crying because he had just gone through the deadliest, scariest, and overall worst ever experience in all of history, and he survived while all his friends died brutally.
this was filmed in Wales, and ive been to the actual omaha beach in Normandy. . .and let me tell you, it was a god damn MIRICLE these poor guys managed to take that beach. God bless ' em all.
Great Hollywood movie. but sad to say that flamethrower thingy and the infantry
going over that bunker is a fiction. In reality most of the infantry on Omaha beach
was pinned down on that shingles and was only able to destroy that bunker with the help of naval guns from the escort destroyers and cruisers behind them.
Let's get it right the German men of the Wehrmacht were not "evil kraut bastards," they were average conscripts, just as the American soldiers. They are not the SS, many of them were truly evil. There is no differentiation between "good" or "evil" among men other than what a nationalist society tells its people. Both armies consisted a majority of innocent working men who were conscripts, following what they were told to and protecting their people. That is the true tragedy of war.
@sasuke4612 true. when i first saw this movie, it really left me shocked and with my mouth open, i soon started to think about the old man who lives across the street from me--he stormed the beaches of Normandy--and at that point i found a new found respect [i was a teenager then] for our servicemen and women.
When that guy said don't shoot let em burn I understand why he let them burn cause those guys in the bunker killed all those guys on the beach look at part 1 and 2 to see for yourself
@BAD1GAMER678 he was crying because he had just gone through the deadliest, scariest, and overall worst ever experience in all of history, and he survived while all his friends died brutally.
@BAD1GAMER678 It was a Hitler Youth Knife, a knife that Germans below the age of 16 or 18 had. Unlike nowadays there were children who fought in the war most of them between 10-16. He killed a child, who wouldnt cry from that.
2:51 One of the rules I learned from my Grandpa, who was in the Military, If you kill a guy who is trying to surrender then you have murdered a person. Shame on those 2 also because they taunted those guys. Look at the guys face who saw those 2 murderers 3:10
@SupaSoap590 you need to put yourself in the time and situation that they were living - when they say that war is hell, believe me, it is. Even after all the training, nothing prepares you for this type of situation... My father is a veteran and although I haven't seen combat, there are many situations that you wish you never use the training you've received; this is one of those times...
@SupaSoap590 Fuck you and Fuck them, take no prisoners. Nazis didn't have mercy when they proceeded to murder millions of men, women, and children all across europe.
@SupaSoap590 lol 15 year old virgin? Thats funny, because i'd probably whoop your ass all over God's green earth. And my Grandfather was in Korea, my uncle and father in Vietnam and I'm in the New York Guard so don't give me this "I KNOW WAR" bullshit, you know nothing of war and I'm willing to bet you would shit your pants in a situation like this.
@ansonkong92 Not really. That's what the US government doesn't understand these days. Tactics like these destroyed the Nazi regime. That's the same ruthless aggression needed to take out today's Terrorists.
@SupaSoap590 killing those surrendering germans is indeed wrong but if they were nazies who brought down a huge amount of joods you doing the world a pleasure because those men are bad from inside, it is a true murder if you killed surrendering people who fight for there homeland (the Wehrmacht)
@SupaSoap590 I think you should consider it from the Americans' point of view. The Germans, in this case, have just rained machine gun fire on them and their friends from hill-top nests, killing their fellow Americans by the (literal) boat load. And now the fact that they've thrown up their hands and decided they don't wanna fight anymore they are absolved of the American blood, blood not yet even dried, mind you, that is on their hands? I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing.
@SupaSoap590 Yeah well I guess your Grandpa wasn't in the first wave at Dog Green beach watching his buddies get torn to shreds by bullets being fired by those same guys who then conveniently tried to surrender.
@SupaSoap590 Rules War has no rules. its kill or be killed. those men just saw there friends and comrads slaughterd by those surendering soldiers. Would you want to take them prisoner if you just went through what they did? in the heat of battle you dont fight for your country or political reasons you fight for the man besides you. those men were filled with anger that the people who were 5 minuets ago were tring to kill them are now trying to surender how would you react. its human nature...
@SupaSoap590 - remember that this was a huge invasion in which we lost lots of folks. I think your Grandpa is right - but put yourself in the shoes of the guys (US soldiers) trying to win this objective. They lost their friends most were just slaughtered by machine gun fire right next to them & really to be a soldier you have to dehumanize the enemy so you can make it. You have to put yourself in their shoes at that time to get it in my opinion. War is very mess unlike video games.
@sdkaufman I was thumps up intil i saw US soldiers.
There also where a lot of english and a few of french. USA only came in the war for mony and because japan had attack them. With al the respect i am thank full for my life, and for USA for there help. But don't give the US al the credit!! Give Canada, England, France, The Netherlands, Belgium al the countries who where on our side credit.
I very much am cognizant that other countries were involved. That isn't the issue here. Please revisit my initial comment where I refer to the text : "(US soldiers)". I was referring to this scene. You could insert any country into that sentence and my comment would still be relevant.
@SupaSoap590 unless those people surrendering put you in a position where you can be killed. besides, who says they aren't trying to trick you? I'm sure it's happened. Kill the fuckers.
@SupaSoap590 You go through what these men went through, then and only then, do you have the right to whine about who murdered who. War is hell, and you cannot refine it.
Germans didn't do all of it either the whole axis was fucked up Nazis deserve to burn but then what do you have to say about the hitler youth who were brainwased into beleving in that shit not all Germans were Nazi and so nobody should hold it against the whole German race
I fucking fed up with movies or history-writting that show germans like bloodthirsty monsters but otherwise totally silly and loosers and incapable of making war. After all only the Germans did propaganda and the winner allies say the real fact.
And besides hitler and his parents were Jews also but I couldn't have fought in a war like that .... It would have been brutal just think of laying there in a trench then a tiger tank comes over top if it and German soldiers jump into the trench that would be scary
Every one has this wrong the only reason why Nazis are bad is because of hitler if a German soldier didn't follow hitlers orders then they were brutally murdered I do my research now hitler personally I would put a bullet in his face but I'm not German. So
@deathbymint they all committed genocide and you feel BAD im German too but i feel no symphony for what they did............ unless your a psychopath then i can understand.
@HolyTacoProductions i dont think that they no about the holocaust... but think of it. You are in the position of a german soldier in the Normandy. What would you do if you see a enemy ? shot. You or them. This guys are like the american normal soldiers. Remember, a german Wehrmacht soldier is a normal soldier but a nazi is not a human.
Whats the theme that played from 5:00 to the end of the video?
GauntBilly 6 days ago
i like the flame thrower
cheetos428 3 weeks ago
1:30 0.0 good...good
AvidGamer749 1 month ago
2:40 = best part in the movie
pooponchest69 2 months ago
this scene made me want to cry. :(
wheniwasinvietnam 3 months ago
This is the very reason I love America, we don't stop until we win, we are consistent, this proves how strong America really is.
HudsonReviver3 3 months ago
@HudsonReviver3 And yet we lost Vietnam.
Fr0st1989 3 weeks ago
@Fr0st1989 Vietnam didn't count!! >:C
HudsonReviver3 3 weeks ago
@HudsonReviver3 Yes it did...
flyersphan111 2 weeks ago
this is the most friggin scary movie ever
MrJasonman02 3 months ago
Like for the soliders die in Omacha Beach :( He diee ;(((((( i cryyyyyy
Ghost0940 4 months ago
After all these years watching this movie regularly I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAYS AT 3:26
JaayyB 4 months ago
@JaayyB - After receiving the Hitler youth knife, Mellish says, "And now it's a Shabbat Challah cutter (a Jewish bread knife), right?"
that1mandudeguy91 3 months ago
@that1mandudeguy91 Thanks a lot!
JaayyB 3 months ago
Verdammt noch mal!!
GodFatherv12 4 months ago
Good work guys. Even now I cheer when each German is shot.
astro7894 4 months ago
they should add hell yeah to the reactions
natcat111 4 months ago
Ok guys listen I'm tired of getting spammed bad comments so I'm gonna apologize about all the shit I've pulled off so ya see ya guys on the front lines!
SupaSoap590 4 months ago
2:43 they were Czechs forced into serving the nazi army...
soberek 4 months ago
1:09 ... campers (Love D day Rip to all ya folks)
dongdongco 4 months ago
dudes , remember it wasn't only US , who attacked on d-day , UK , Canada , New Zealand , Australia , Netherlands, Norway , France and Poland also fighted.
Lot of people don't remember about these countries , although US did main role in them , we shall remember everyone.
SoulIgorski1 4 months ago
@SoulIgorski1
Perhaps you could tell me which Dutch, Norwegian, Aussie and Kiwi units fought in Normandy in 1944. Many thanks
2210ethan 4 months ago
@2210ethan Ok, so as I remember Dutch and Norwegians fought in late d-day , not on Omaha beach or anywhere near , it was late d-day when paratroopers started to land. Australians were airforces not sure about Kiwis but I think they were navy
SoulIgorski1 4 months ago
@SoulIgorski1
yes, I'm having trouble finding it too. All I have so far is the wiki article which barely mentions them.
2210ethan 4 months ago
@2210ethan Yep they seems invisible , but they centrainly fought in d-day
SoulIgorski1 4 months ago
@SoulIgorski1
I guess their contributions were much more significant in other theatres compared to what they did on June 6th. The vast majority of troops involved were US/UK/Canadian units.
2210ethan 4 months ago
this movie is the exact reason I'am not joining the military if there is a draft I will show up Im not a draft dodger and if there is a draft atleast the Drill Instructor will be a little more condesending to the fact that im a bitch, but Im sorry if i get shot at im going to shit my pants plain and simple I dont think you want me on your squad when the enemy can track us through my shit pants
baked4211 5 months ago
rednecks -.-
Teewan100 5 months ago
if this really happened, I'm sorry I don't know it, it's typically US to keep those facts quiet, Thumbs up if you think America sucks ballz
Teewan100 5 months ago
@Teewan100 You get no thumbs up .
Blikkx 5 months ago
I've been reading your guys' responses to SupaSoap590. I'm with him on this one. Those two men were were Czech not German. My friend speaks Czech and he said that the two men didn't kill anyone and stuff like that.
DemonSlayer187 5 months ago
FUCK THE LIBERALS OF TODAY, WE WOULD NEVER , EVER DO THIS AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEM. AND FUCK YOU TOO SUPASOAP590
shaneisawesomes 5 months ago
@gtacod100 Well many of the Nazis were not bad. They fought to protect their way of life, and we fought to protect our way of life as well. We have war to protect and preserve our rights. It's with every country and it will be like that until we are all dead.
SupaSoap590 6 months ago
It's a shame. Good men on both sides killing one another for some mad buggar's war.
6gu7 6 months ago
this is to "supasoap590" who gives a damn whether they surrendered or not? its either you pull that trigger or let a nazi live. 6 million people are dead becaus eof people like him. mixed with the fear and confusion running through the young men's head, you would have fired upon him as well.
lacksbro 6 months ago
@lacksbro
You are an idiot - they were conscripts, much like the most of the US armed forces then. Also, if you took any notice of the film, he says: "I didn't shoot anyone...I was a carrier" and they shoot im. So they probably shot a cook or something. Very brave and heroic, you idiot.
52111centrumcz 6 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Lots of the US guys here are Rangers- a volunteer outfit. The Allies had the biggest volunteer army in the world.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
? How does that relate to what I said about lacksbro being an idiot saying that all troops in german uniforms were nazis that were to be shot rather than taken prisoner?
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Mt point is simply that these guys aren't conscripts.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Oh I knew that rangers were initially an all volunteer force, however that has nothing to do with my point, which was why I was somewhat confused as to what you mean.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
I'm sorry, you seemed to be arguing that there was some kind of equivalency between the two sides, Nazi and Allied.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
No, in a previous post some american nitwit wrote " who gives a damn whether they surrendered or not? its either you pull that trigger or let a nazi live "
I was then saying then the troops on the ground (most of them anyway) were equivalent (I am not talking about the political SS troops)
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
OK. I don't think they were equivalent. Fighting for the Nazis (conscripted or not) isn't the same as fighting for the allies (conscripted or not). Many good Germans (and people of other nations) died or went to jail because they wouldn't accept Axis tyranny.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Incorrect. Being consripted to fight for your government gives no moral obligation to agree or disagree with their postion. Much like the allies hung several japanese air force officers for bombing Chinese cities, yet promoted and gave honors and medals and war pensions to volunteer and consript air crews that carpet bombed undefended german cities with minimal war industry. And the infantry was equivalent. Your position is political and overreaching, not considering the little guy
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Disagree. Allied bombing was intended to shorten the war- to bring the end of the war closer, then the terror would stop. If the Axis had won, the killing would have continued. I think the moral obligation to avoid or refuse conscription into an unjust war is absolute- plenty of people refused the draft for Vietnam, for example.
As it says in 'Henry V' - "Every subject's duty is the king's, but every subject's soul's his own".
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
And of course the Nazi war machine publicly announced the existence of gas chambers, right? You are judging it morally with hindsight - not with the little information and confusion that existed in the respective populations at the time. There were many english and americans who couldn't believe what was said about the chambers until it was shown to the post war on film reels - and this information was not known to the general populace of Germany either.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Perhaps most Germans didn't know what the camps were. Perhaps.
But they all knew what Kristallnacht, and the anti-semitic legislation, and the invasion of other countries was.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Yes. Precisely the same way the US leveled Viet Nam, slaughtered Phillipino nationalists, etc etc etc... You still have not come up with a rational argument why a consript of the german heer ought to be shot on sight when surrendering rather than being taken prisoner of war as per geneva convention. Or failed to mention the double standards where you hung german officers for ordering things US/UK officers did and which you promoted and bestowed honors on them for.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Where did I say they should have been shot on sight? OK I'll answer for you, I didn't.
And you'll have to be specific about the hanging of Nazi war criminals- are you perhaps suggesting some kind of moral equivalency between the holocaust and (for example) the bombing of Dresden?
None exists, I assure you.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
A german officer was sentenced to death for not taking prisoners in an action where he ordered an outnumbered outgunned infantry unit crushed under tank treads. He said no prisoners and run them to over. An action by a component of Pattons 3 army where the speed pressed home resulted in the flanking and machine gunning of infantry in open ground where they had no chance of survival. The german was hanged, the unit commander of the 3rd army was promoted.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Citation please and thankyou.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Will try to find it, but its in one of my old books somewhere. Will try to unearth it.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Can't find the German case, but something interesting here:
afpakwar(.)com/blog/archives/4866
Will try to find the name of the commander of the japanese air fleet that was hanged post WW2 for bombing Nanking and several other cities...
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Yup. I can't find it either.
Not sure what Allied 'atrocity' you'd compare Nanking to- you're ice-skating uphill there I'm afraid.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Well lets start...firebombing of Hamburg, firebombing of Dresden (a non-military city with an important but not vital train switchyard) , firebombing of Tokyo and the nuclear bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Oh yes and Nagoya, Osaka and Kobe. Remember I am talking about the air officers - not the infantry guys that slaughtered the populace(on the japanese side in Nanking). As to the culpability, the Allied command had the same if not larger (greater civillian losses).
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Absolute crap. The objective of the bombing campaigns was to shorten the war, thus reducing the loss of life. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the best examples of this,consider the war aims of those involved.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Hamburg - no industrial loss of output in 1943 (when it was bombed) loss later in 1944 when low oil supplies. Dresden a crime without excuse as the war was effectively over. Tokyo was firebombing a civilian section of the city - crime against humanity. ditto Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The whiny excuse that it saved lives of American marines is that - expedious state terror against civilian population to bring about desired result to prevent loss of popularity of politicians at home(!!!)
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
To limit myself to one of the points on which you are mistaken: Yes, Allied lives were saved by the A-bombings, (and this is no small thing) but a far, far greater number of Japanese civilian lives were saved. Look at what happened on Okinawa to the civilian populace- look at the mass suicides on Guam and Saipan, look at the military casualties on Iwo Jima. The Mainland would have been worse.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
And the legal point here is that no matter what the expedience of the crime it should be judged equally without regard to the perpetrator. Which implies the officers in charge of dropping the bombs were to be tried for war crimes, sentenced the same the japanese air corps officers for bombing of nanking and then hanged. But of course no allied officer would be tried for carrying out these atrocities, because victors write the history books. Yes it may have saved lives - but the point
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
And I suggest you don't use the term 'legal point' when it comes to discussing WW2 bombings, it doesn't support your argument too well.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
here is not the fact whether it saved more lives than no bombing and invasion, or bombing and surrender, but that war criminals in US military uniform were not tried for crimes against humanity because it was politically expedient - puting the US on par with Soviet Russia and their gulags and the Nazis with their death camps.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
"politically expedient"? Well, yes, saving lives and ending the war was politically expedient. It was also surely the right thing to do- do you disagree?
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
Ending the war by breaching accepted conduct of war does not remove the duty of the country to prosecute officers and politicians which ordered the breach of the accepted conduct of war. Since the US did not do it, it reduced itself to the same level as the USSR, Japan and Germany.
Bombing MILITARY facilities would have been appropriate and I would have agreed. (Like leveling the remaining stores of military fuels). Slaughtering a defenseless population to make a point to Stalin-no
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
Not sure whose or what 'accepted conduct of war' you are referring to. Also not sure when you talk of 'making a point to Stalin' That the Russians had bowed to US pressure to ENTER the war with Japan and fought the last major battle of the war against the Japanese. You may or may not be aware that Hiroshima was a military depot and HQ for Honshu, and Nagasaki was an industrial centre. Hope this helps.
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
The international treaty on the conduct of war you bound yourself to under no foreign pressure referred to as the Geneva conventions. Russians didn't bow to US pressure to enter the war, they entered the war to extend their border further because they already knew from their spies the US would act against them post WW2. The Hiroshima military depot was at the edge of town - and was practically untouched by the blast. But you definately leveld the non-military center of town.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
The Geneva convention forbids the 'targeting of civilians'.
I'm familiar with where the bombs landed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I lived in Hiroshima for years. The military infrastructure in Hiroshima was destroyed (you can read about this in the Hiroshima Museum). Obviously many civilians died, but more would have died if the war had continued, mainly (though not only) in Japan. And yes, Russia's entry to WW2 was requested by the US at Potsdam- "I got what I came for" (Truman).
2210ethan 5 months ago
@2210ethan
And Nagasaki was also leveled mainly in the housing section, where there were significant concentrations of houses - by this time the US took and incorporated the "bomber Harris" doctrine of destroying civilian infrastructure to reduce industrial output as the survivors cannot work in factories.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz
OK?
2210ethan 4 months ago
winners write the history books
guyinthewhiteT 6 months ago
whos the dead guy at the end?
Zavislak10 6 months ago
my uncle was in the invasion. they had a right to kill prisoners
mistressinpcvsitonme 6 months ago
my uncle was in the invasion.
mistressinpcvsitonme 6 months ago
my friends grandpa was a vet and he was in dday and he took his grandson to see this and he had to leave for half the movie because it was too much for him
littlenuggetful 6 months ago
vin diesel ? didnt know he was in this movie lol.
mgcrol 7 months ago
Hey SupaSoap590 maybe your Grandpa wasn't on the D-Day beaches like my Dad was. It was war. Don't give me any of your bleeding heart liberal shit. The retreating germans slaughtered whole villages of innocent French women and children../and what he found at the end of the road was Belsen...so don't give ,
me any of your holocaust denying bullshit either because i lived through a childhood of his nightmares, asshole
inkwell64 7 months ago
@inkwell64
Do you actually know that there s a GREATE difference between Soldiers and REAL nazis? Soldiers had to obey, with or without having same opinions, just like allies or soviet soldiers. I thought its quite common sense to LET soldiers surrender if they wanted to!
Menelius91 7 months ago
@inkwell64 Every country have did war crimes and there is good and bad soldiers in every army. USA(My Lai Massacre), Germany(Holocaust) and USSR(Katyn massacre). Soldiers in every army only did there duty for there country and followed leaders orders. If one evil soldier do war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers are bad. Of course Germany did war crimes and There was evil soldier also in Germany army but Most of soldiers were only normal soldiers who has nothing to do whit war crimes.
Menties1 6 months ago
@inkwell64 My grandpa was on the beaches in the first wave dumbass.
SupaSoap590 6 months ago
Ils ne faut pas oublier que les soldats allemands n'ont fait que d'obéir aux ordre de leurs supérieur. Il n'ont pas voulut de cette guerre, mais si ils refusaient ils seront tuées.
Vous voyer.
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MrChatItOut 7 months ago
what got the dude on 3:42?
bowmorekut 7 months ago
so by an saving mission died the dude who have to be saved?
bowmorekut 7 months ago
it said ryan.s OMG!!!!
reece5237 7 months ago
I cannot understand the soldiers firing the MG42's i, mean you're shooting medics, wounded soldiers, you're killing over hundreds of people, how can they live with such an idea?
Teewan100 7 months ago
@Teewan100 They were trained to show no mercy or remorse.
foof811 7 months ago
@Teewan100
Go ask american pilots how can they live with the thought of bombing civilian railroads in Serbia in 1999...you might get an enlightening response. /sarcasm off
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
3:05 - not that funny jerk
TheCobraGunner 7 months ago
what a pussy 3:50
blackopsman42 7 months ago
@blackopsman42 he was crying because he had just gone through the deadliest, scariest, and overall worst ever experience in all of history, and he survived while all his friends died brutally.
Whats1337 7 months ago
@blackopsman42 he just killed a kid, that's why he's crying, 'hitler YOUTH knife' should give you a hint
bludgerable 7 months ago
@bludgerable Hitlers " elite" army, just a bunch of poor 10 yr olds sent in to war withouth decent training
Teewan100 7 months ago
@blackopsman42 your are an asshole
totalwar1996 7 months ago
Doyle the pyro, e_e bet he's mastered the pyro class in TF2
Lolzkun0 7 months ago
this was filmed in Wales, and ive been to the actual omaha beach in Normandy. . .and let me tell you, it was a god damn MIRICLE these poor guys managed to take that beach. God bless ' em all.
eerrrrrrfolks 7 months ago 2
Great Hollywood movie. but sad to say that flamethrower thingy and the infantry
going over that bunker is a fiction. In reality most of the infantry on Omaha beach
was pinned down on that shingles and was only able to destroy that bunker with the help of naval guns from the escort destroyers and cruisers behind them.
Sparty1234561 7 months ago
Let's get it right the German men of the Wehrmacht were not "evil kraut bastards," they were average conscripts, just as the American soldiers. They are not the SS, many of them were truly evil. There is no differentiation between "good" or "evil" among men other than what a nationalist society tells its people. Both armies consisted a majority of innocent working men who were conscripts, following what they were told to and protecting their people. That is the true tragedy of war.
Tim92G 8 months ago
c'est les russes qui ont gagné pas vous. americain de merde
heckatomb 8 months ago
@3:22 for something Fast and Furious
Lone2009Wolf 8 months ago
3:10 yeah he may be dead but you'll be the one burning hell have a nice roast scumbag
ez133 8 months ago
Imagine actually being there, in real life i mean and having to go through all that.......fuck.
arivas713 8 months ago 8
@arivas713 it cant be imagined only the ppl who were there and survived know exactly what it was like
sasuke4612 6 months ago
@sasuke4612 true. when i first saw this movie, it really left me shocked and with my mouth open, i soon started to think about the old man who lives across the street from me--he stormed the beaches of Normandy--and at that point i found a new found respect [i was a teenager then] for our servicemen and women.
arivas713 6 months ago
When that guy said don't shoot let em burn I understand why he let them burn cause those guys in the bunker killed all those guys on the beach look at part 1 and 2 to see for yourself
Corlyon12 8 months ago
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It was because they killed a kid
hairyhair12 8 months ago
@hairyhair12 he cryied becouse his is a Jew[he speaks also in that part], and you know what the Germans did to them.
aspis2000 6 months ago
@aspis2000
I've heard other people say that but actually I think it's just the delayed stress and trauma of what he went through on the beach. Pretty common.
2210ethan 5 months ago
Why did he cry bout the hitler knife
BAD1GAMER678 8 months ago
@BAD1GAMER678 he cried because in that moment he had time to cry.
vibers9 8 months ago
@BAD1GAMER678 as it says..youth...means they killed kids, so he cries because war drew kids into the scenery :(
hardtma 8 months ago
@BAD1GAMER678 he was crying because he had just gone through the deadliest, scariest, and overall worst ever experience in all of history, and he survived while all his friends died brutally.
sammyg101696 8 months ago 2
@BAD1GAMER678 It was a Hitler Youth Knife, a knife that Germans below the age of 16 or 18 had. Unlike nowadays there were children who fought in the war most of them between 10-16. He killed a child, who wouldnt cry from that.
SupaSoap590 8 months ago
Why was he crying bout the hitler youth knife?
BAD1GAMER678 8 months ago
im from germany so i cant understand some words why is the soldier screaming on 3:45
saschander 8 months ago
kinda sad how they kill the people that are surrendering
235kloper 9 months ago
@235kloper HEY fuck thous people they deserved worse
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Jugston 9 months ago
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Jugston 9 months ago
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Don't shoot let em Burn= that guy deserves a Headshot right after he said it. Such a bastard
flipflopdrop2543 9 months ago
@flipflopdrop2543 Gotta save bullets and they're dead anyway...
NameTaken1191 8 months ago
2:51 One of the rules I learned from my Grandpa, who was in the Military, If you kill a guy who is trying to surrender then you have murdered a person. Shame on those 2 also because they taunted those guys. Look at the guys face who saw those 2 murderers 3:10
SupaSoap590 9 months ago 28
@SupaSoap590 you need to put yourself in the time and situation that they were living - when they say that war is hell, believe me, it is. Even after all the training, nothing prepares you for this type of situation... My father is a veteran and although I haven't seen combat, there are many situations that you wish you never use the training you've received; this is one of those times...
Wolfe222 9 months ago
@SupaSoap590 War is hell. Don't judge unless you've walked in those shoes.
mindeloman 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 if they shoot you kil them so fuck you or eat my short
RedHouseMovie 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 kill or be killed
176cgna 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 Yeah and those surrendered soldiers weren't even Germans. I remember that someone told me they're Czech or Polish.
vittumatti 8 months ago
@vittumatti Right but that didn't stop the guys! But in WWII they were so angry that they just couldn't keep their fingers off the trigger.
SupaSoap590 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 Fuck you and Fuck them, take no prisoners. Nazis didn't have mercy when they proceeded to murder millions of men, women, and children all across europe.
Lone2009Wolf 8 months ago
@Lone2009Wolf Listen I didnt mean too piss you off, you 15 year old virgin. But my grandfather fought in this war and in this battle.
SupaSoap590 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 lol 15 year old virgin? Thats funny, because i'd probably whoop your ass all over God's green earth. And my Grandfather was in Korea, my uncle and father in Vietnam and I'm in the New York Guard so don't give me this "I KNOW WAR" bullshit, you know nothing of war and I'm willing to bet you would shit your pants in a situation like this.
Lone2009Wolf 8 months ago
@Lone2009Wolf I believe in take no prisoners aswell and I'm sorry about the nasty comment, but my grandfather fought in this battle and in the war.
SupaSoap590 8 months ago
@SupaSoap590 God Bless Him
Lone2009Wolf 8 months ago
@Lone2009Wolf Then you will just become a Nazi.
ansonkong92 7 months ago
@ansonkong92 Not really. That's what the US government doesn't understand these days. Tactics like these destroyed the Nazi regime. That's the same ruthless aggression needed to take out today's Terrorists.
Lone2009Wolf 7 months ago
@SupaSoap590 killing those surrendering germans is indeed wrong but if they were nazies who brought down a huge amount of joods you doing the world a pleasure because those men are bad from inside, it is a true murder if you killed surrendering people who fight for there homeland (the Wehrmacht)
mr06061997 7 months ago
@SupaSoap590 I think you should consider it from the Americans' point of view. The Germans, in this case, have just rained machine gun fire on them and their friends from hill-top nests, killing their fellow Americans by the (literal) boat load. And now the fact that they've thrown up their hands and decided they don't wanna fight anymore they are absolved of the American blood, blood not yet even dried, mind you, that is on their hands? I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing.
anthyo2 7 months ago 2
@SupaSoap590 It's all muder. Surrender or not.
stormpezzullo 7 months ago
@SupaSoap590 Yeah well I guess your Grandpa wasn't in the first wave at Dog Green beach watching his buddies get torn to shreds by bullets being fired by those same guys who then conveniently tried to surrender.
xcalabur19 6 months ago
@xcalabur19 He was and he saw many of them die! Only him and a few others got out alive.
SupaSoap590 6 months ago
@SupaSoap590 Rules War has no rules. its kill or be killed. those men just saw there friends and comrads slaughterd by those surendering soldiers. Would you want to take them prisoner if you just went through what they did? in the heat of battle you dont fight for your country or political reasons you fight for the man besides you. those men were filled with anger that the people who were 5 minuets ago were tring to kill them are now trying to surender how would you react. its human nature...
hunteraja 6 months ago 15
@SupaSoap590 - remember that this was a huge invasion in which we lost lots of folks. I think your Grandpa is right - but put yourself in the shoes of the guys (US soldiers) trying to win this objective. They lost their friends most were just slaughtered by machine gun fire right next to them & really to be a soldier you have to dehumanize the enemy so you can make it. You have to put yourself in their shoes at that time to get it in my opinion. War is very mess unlike video games.
sdkaufman 6 months ago 8
@sdkaufman I was thumps up intil i saw US soldiers.
There also where a lot of english and a few of french. USA only came in the war for mony and because japan had attack them. With al the respect i am thank full for my life, and for USA for there help. But don't give the US al the credit!! Give Canada, England, France, The Netherlands, Belgium al the countries who where on our side credit.
Thank you!
NLfreestyleNL 2 months ago 3
@NLfreestyleNL Huh???
I very much am cognizant that other countries were involved. That isn't the issue here. Please revisit my initial comment where I refer to the text : "(US soldiers)". I was referring to this scene. You could insert any country into that sentence and my comment would still be relevant.
sdkaufman 2 months ago
@SupaSoap590 unless those people surrendering put you in a position where you can be killed. besides, who says they aren't trying to trick you? I'm sure it's happened. Kill the fuckers.
Arcexey 5 months ago
@SupaSoap590 You go through what these men went through, then and only then, do you have the right to whine about who murdered who. War is hell, and you cannot refine it.
drdst17 5 months ago
@SupaSoap590 Fuck that, let'em rot
lazerroarswtf 5 months ago
Germans didn't do all of it either the whole axis was fucked up Nazis deserve to burn but then what do you have to say about the hitler youth who were brainwased into beleving in that shit not all Germans were Nazi and so nobody should hold it against the whole German race
thebestgreenmanband 9 months ago
I fucking fed up with movies or history-writting that show germans like bloodthirsty monsters but otherwise totally silly and loosers and incapable of making war. After all only the Germans did propaganda and the winner allies say the real fact.
egomono1 9 months ago
What's with the dude at 3:25? He breaks down for no reason at all.
Poultryhole 9 months ago
@Poultryhole
its probably the fact the owner of the knife was 10-18 so they essentially killed a kid.
kennyclone 9 months ago 2
@kennyclone War is hell!
TannerJay250 9 months ago
And besides hitler and his parents were Jews also but I couldn't have fought in a war like that .... It would have been brutal just think of laying there in a trench then a tiger tank comes over top if it and German soldiers jump into the trench that would be scary
nextgen60 9 months ago
Every one has this wrong the only reason why Nazis are bad is because of hitler if a German soldier didn't follow hitlers orders then they were brutally murdered I do my research now hitler personally I would put a bullet in his face but I'm not German. So
nextgen60 9 months ago
@deathbymint I'm German too and I think every fuckin last one of the should have died
braelin0929 9 months ago
Stfu u dumb nazi. All nazis/German supporters deserved to die for the things they did during and before ww2
02Gino12 9 months ago
so sad for the nazis because im german!!!! :( but it was a awesome battle!!!
deathbymint 10 months ago
@deathbymint they all committed genocide and you feel BAD im German too but i feel no symphony for what they did............ unless your a psychopath then i can understand.
Whats1337 7 months ago
quite a view
Crossss8 10 months ago
What?
KADG81 10 months ago
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Dont shoot let em burn
Jmendez6972 10 months ago
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@ HDiiNsaniTy
maybe they´re just against war.
ps: it called German Reich!
F3lix4 10 months ago
@ HDiiNsaniTy
maybe they´re y´just against war.
ps: it called German Reich!
F3lix4 10 months ago
51 people were part of the German Reicht...
HDiiNsaniTy 10 months ago
what do he say?
i dont know
tak tak tak , waht dou he say big smile
janno1717 10 months ago
This is an excellent scene but even though Nazi Germany was evil I didn't like how they shot surrendering German soldiers
kralldaddy16 10 months ago
@kralldaddy16 dude they also shot american soldiers!
qwerty55227 10 months ago
Don't shoot let em Burn!!!!!
killersquriell16 10 months ago 33
@killersquriell16 haha
TannerJay250 9 months ago
@killersquriell16 hahahahahahaha love that part
DragonSlay3r45 8 months ago
1:33 i felt sorry for those burning guys
SpiderpigDE 10 months ago
@SpiderpigDE thats what happens when you fuck with america
potatoelover95 10 months ago
@potatoelover95 i hate guys like you but no comment for this....
SpiderpigDE 10 months ago
@SpiderpigDE they're nazis why would u
mlbking25 10 months ago
@mlbking25 lol o.0 they aren´t nazis... they are soldiers who fight for ´´their´´ land. A Nazi and a Wehrmacht Soldiers is a big different.
SpiderpigDE 10 months ago
@SpiderpigDE They deserved much worse for what they did to millions of innocent people.
HolyTacoProductions 10 months ago
@HolyTacoProductions i dont think that they no about the holocaust... but think of it. You are in the position of a german soldier in the Normandy. What would you do if you see a enemy ? shot. You or them. This guys are like the american normal soldiers. Remember, a german Wehrmacht soldier is a normal soldier but a nazi is not a human.
SpiderpigDE 10 months ago