I agree with you all here as i also think the Atari ST version's of Turrican 1 & 2 are way better than the Amiga versions & my 2 reasons for this are, 1) the music sounds way better on the ST version & 2) ya dont get that stupid guy's voice saying what you've collected when you pick up the different weapon ammo & power ups & extra lives etc! I swear i could not put up with playing any of the emiga versions of Turrican 1 or 2 cause just listening to the guy saying.... Lazer,Multiple,shield,1up
I agree with you all here as i also think the Atari ST version's of Turrican 1 & 2 are way better than the Amiga versions & my 2 reasons for this are, 1) the music sounds way better on the ST version & 2) ya dont get that stupid guy's voice saying what you've collected when you pick up the different weapon ammo & power ups & extra lives etc! I swear i could not put up with playing any of the emiga versions of Turrican 1 or 2 cause just listening to the guy saying.... Lazer,Multiple,shield,1up
ST music better? I guess you are also dancing to the sound of your alarm clock then. *beep* *fart* *beep* *fart* *fart*
The ability of some people to create a reality distortion field is truly remarkable. The ST is easily one of the worst sounding 16 Bit computers created. It's even outperformed by most 8 Bit architectures. The C64 slays it easily. And so does the Game Boy, NES, and even its very own predecessor, the Atari 800.
@porcorosso81 How Old Are You?...Dude ya pathetic! I bet all these people who have commented now & read this are laughing at you! its no wonder losers like you cant get laid! cause women think ya pathetic! just like we all do, cause you chat so much shit that you even believe yaself, i bet women take 1 look at you in real life & laugh at you cause of the loser that you are, so cause you get all butt hurty over it all you can do is go on the net & run ya cum dumpster off to people!
Geez, I didn't know that being an Atari ST fanboy is such a debilitating and emotionally crippling experience. Your colourful fantasies about my sexual activity are hilariously funny and revealing, since they show your own sexual fetish towards an inanimate object, in this case an Atari ST. This is what fanboyism does to people.
Calling me out on my age while writing such a sorrowful, pathetic little post full of inane rants are the moments when comedy gold is born on Youtube. XD
Nope, my farts don't sound as ugly as this, but thanks for your concern. ;)
If 15 fps is fine scrolling for you, then I bet your brain is gonna explode if you watch 50fps and 60fps scrolling, standard on almost all 16 Bit and most 8 Bit architectures.
I don't know how limited your vision is, but I can very clearly make out a huge difference between silky smooth 50fps and jerky 25fps or below. And it doesn't end here, especially on CRT's. There was always a difference in flicker between working with a 60Hz and a 85Hz screenmode.
When I show 2 monitors playing the Amiga and the Atari ST version of Turrican, and asking the question which game runs smoother, be assured that 98% will pick the monitor playing the Amiga version.
@132000Volts You're not right. Turrican 2 was originally made on the C64 (from Manfred Trenz). Every other version is a (more or less good) copy of it.
You might be more informed about Turrican's history ...
@r8qt7 - The Amiga version of Turrican 2 was brought out before the C64 version though - I'm not knocking the C64 either, it was a wonderful machine, even though I played more on the speccy. The Atari was inferior to the Amiga with that awful sound card, people use the midi port as a backup excuse
@132000Volts Not true. The C64 version of Turrican was the first (and was tested first in ASM and other magazines).
The C64 version is the original one - everything else is a conversion. Amiga is too slow and the Atari ST version is the best one. Maybe in America it needed more time. Ergo: The Amiga version is just a cheap rip off conversion!
@r8qt7 Turrican yes, but Turrican 2 was released on the Amiga before the c64
Amiga version is not slow, it has a higher frame rate and better sound. This Yahama soundchip sounds more like a gameboy
The only decent Atari's was the STE and the Falcon, Falcon was more business and the STE came way too late to make an impact. The actual ST was poor, hence the reason why it was so cheap and nasty. Atari knew this too
@132000Volts "Turrican II: The Final Fight was released in 1991. The Amiga version, done by Factor 5, was finished before the C64 version, but Manfred Trenz cites the C64 version as the original design." - source: wikipedia
It was released first but Turrican 2 on the C64 is the source. It's the original game coded from the inventor of Turrican (=Manfred Trenz). Turrican 2 Amiga is a conversion. The question isn't which sound chip is the best but where the game is most playable-> Atari ST
@r8qt7 It's not more playable as the frame rate is bad and the sound is. You have to ask yourself why it outsold the Atari when it was a few hundreds pounds more expensive? It's inferior in every way.
That would be like me saying Atari Jaguar is better than an xbox 360.
Have you ever played on an Amiga? Being American I highly highly highly doubt you have. You wouldn't have even been able to afford the machine back in the day!
@132000Volts I had a C64, an Amiga 500, 2000, 1200, Atari ST, PC and several consoles. And I have played Turrican 2 on the C64, Amiga and Atari St. The C64 is the best on playability, after that the Atari St version and then the Amiga. The Atari has a faster cpu speed (8 instead of 7,14 mhz). And there weren't sold more Amiga 500 than Atari ST. And I'm from Europe and not from America ... get your facts straight before trolling around.
@r8qt7 considering the Atari had inferior sound, inferior graphics, inferior colour palette, less frames per second, shows that you really don't know much about computers
You're trying to say a game which is exactly the same puzzle, with inferior sound, inferior frames per second and inferior graphics is better, lmfao
@132000Volts Do you have a learning disability or are you having problems with words in general? I have written: "I'm from Europe and not from America ... get your facts straight before trolling around. .
It seems you have problems understanding the difference between 'theoretical hardware performance' and 'gameplay' / 'usability of a game'.
Turrican 1 on the ST has over 25 frames per second, Turrican 2 around 19 - 27 f/s.I know your country absolutely sucked in soccer but pull yourself together
@132000Volts You have your location in America so your IQ level has dropped to that of an American.
So with your logic your IQ drops to zero if you are on the toilet???
In your case that may be true. Repeating untrue statements as in your case doesn't make them true. Turrican 1 is better on the Atari ST and Turrican 2 plays better.
Americans just don't want to argue with an English half-imp. The problem is not them - it's you. The 132000 volts have obviously fried your brain, n00b.
@r8qt7 - You probably do need the toilet as you're full of shit
Can you say why it's better with an inferior frame rate, less colour palette, inferior sound, but exactly the same level design and puzzles please
Keep dodging the questions but you haven't told me why it's better. Even people who owned both machines would agree. Even Paul who reviews Turrican for Amiga and Atari will agree!
Your personal preference doesn't determine what is true and untrue.
Show any average, unbiased guy an Atari ST and an Amiga playing both Turricans. I can easily predict what 99% of the people will answer when asked: which version is better? Which version has the better sound? Which version has the better playability, because it runs way smoother?
And yes, I know that both Turricans are technical masterpieces on the ST, written by Thomas Engel. They push the hardware quite far. The result is, nevertheless, still inferior. The ST was the most inexpensive 16 Bit computer one could own. It still kicks an Macintosh and IBM PC of that era down. I can understand why people feel nostalgic towards something they used to own. But on a technical level, what bullshit I constantly read from ST guys is truly cringe worthy.
@porcorosso81: "But on a technical level, what bullshit I constantly read from ST guys is truly cringe worthy. "
My argument is mostly the playability (not about hardware features) of Turrican 1 + 2. The C64 version of them is most playable (check yt video "why turrican is meant to be played on the c64") - even the C64 is significant slower than the 16 Bit machines.
I know that the C64 versions of both Turricans have advantages in terms of gameplay, but what does the Atari ST version have? I played it on the original hardware, and found the game design to be mostly identical, nothing which places it on top of the Amiga version.
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I agree with you all here as i also think the Atari ST version's of Turrican 1 & 2 are way better than the Amiga versions & my 2 reasons for this are, 1) the music sounds way better on the ST version & 2) ya dont get that stupid guy's voice saying what you've collected when you pick up the different weapon ammo & power ups & extra lives etc! I swear i could not put up with playing any of the emiga versions of Turrican 1 or 2 cause just listening to the guy saying.... Lazer,Multiple,shield,1up
Predator01 1 year ago
I agree with you all here as i also think the Atari ST version's of Turrican 1 & 2 are way better than the Amiga versions & my 2 reasons for this are, 1) the music sounds way better on the ST version & 2) ya dont get that stupid guy's voice saying what you've collected when you pick up the different weapon ammo & power ups & extra lives etc! I swear i could not put up with playing any of the emiga versions of Turrican 1 or 2 cause just listening to the guy saying.... Lazer,Multiple,shield,1up
Predator01 1 year ago
@Predator01
ST music better? I guess you are also dancing to the sound of your alarm clock then. *beep* *fart* *beep* *fart* *fart*
The ability of some people to create a reality distortion field is truly remarkable. The ST is easily one of the worst sounding 16 Bit computers created. It's even outperformed by most 8 Bit architectures. The C64 slays it easily. And so does the Game Boy, NES, and even its very own predecessor, the Atari 800.
porcorosso81 1 year ago
@porcorosso81 How Old Are You?...Dude ya pathetic! I bet all these people who have commented now & read this are laughing at you! its no wonder losers like you cant get laid! cause women think ya pathetic! just like we all do, cause you chat so much shit that you even believe yaself, i bet women take 1 look at you in real life & laugh at you cause of the loser that you are, so cause you get all butt hurty over it all you can do is go on the net & run ya cum dumpster off to people!
Predator01 1 year ago
@Predator01
Geez, I didn't know that being an Atari ST fanboy is such a debilitating and emotionally crippling experience. Your colourful fantasies about my sexual activity are hilariously funny and revealing, since they show your own sexual fetish towards an inanimate object, in this case an Atari ST. This is what fanboyism does to people.
Calling me out on my age while writing such a sorrowful, pathetic little post full of inane rants are the moments when comedy gold is born on Youtube. XD
porcorosso81 1 year ago
yes - atari kicks amiga's ass
r8qt7 1 year ago
I think the Atari ST version of T1 is better than the amiga version (despite the sound) ...it has more soul.
r8qt7 2 years ago
Yeah, the soul of the jerky scrolling and fart sounds is perfectly recreated. ;)
porcorosso81 2 years ago
@porcorosso81 The scrolling is perfectly fine and if your farts sound like that you should consult a doctor.
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7
Nope, my farts don't sound as ugly as this, but thanks for your concern. ;)
If 15 fps is fine scrolling for you, then I bet your brain is gonna explode if you watch 50fps and 60fps scrolling, standard on almost all 16 Bit and most 8 Bit architectures.
porcorosso81 1 year ago
@porcorosso81
the human eye can capture 25 frames per second if there is more cannot see the difference perceives it as 25 frames per second
mrkariolis 1 year ago
@mrkariolis
I don't know how limited your vision is, but I can very clearly make out a huge difference between silky smooth 50fps and jerky 25fps or below. And it doesn't end here, especially on CRT's. There was always a difference in flicker between working with a 60Hz and a 85Hz screenmode.
When I show 2 monitors playing the Amiga and the Atari ST version of Turrican, and asking the question which game runs smoother, be assured that 98% will pick the monitor playing the Amiga version.
porcorosso81 1 year ago
@r8qt7 how does it have soul when it's exactly the same game? Turrican was made for the Amiga. Everything else is inferior
132000Volts 1 year ago
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r8qt7 1 year ago
@132000Volts You're not right. Turrican 2 was originally made on the C64 (from Manfred Trenz). Every other version is a (more or less good) copy of it.
You might be more informed about Turrican's history ...
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 - The Amiga version of Turrican 2 was brought out before the C64 version though - I'm not knocking the C64 either, it was a wonderful machine, even though I played more on the speccy. The Atari was inferior to the Amiga with that awful sound card, people use the midi port as a backup excuse
132000Volts 1 year ago
@132000Volts Not true. The C64 version of Turrican was the first (and was tested first in ASM and other magazines).
The C64 version is the original one - everything else is a conversion. Amiga is too slow and the Atari ST version is the best one. Maybe in America it needed more time. Ergo: The Amiga version is just a cheap rip off conversion!
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 Turrican yes, but Turrican 2 was released on the Amiga before the c64
Amiga version is not slow, it has a higher frame rate and better sound. This Yahama soundchip sounds more like a gameboy
The only decent Atari's was the STE and the Falcon, Falcon was more business and the STE came way too late to make an impact. The actual ST was poor, hence the reason why it was so cheap and nasty. Atari knew this too
132000Volts 1 year ago
@132000Volts "Turrican II: The Final Fight was released in 1991. The Amiga version, done by Factor 5, was finished before the C64 version, but Manfred Trenz cites the C64 version as the original design." - source: wikipedia
It was released first but Turrican 2 on the C64 is the source. It's the original game coded from the inventor of Turrican (=Manfred Trenz). Turrican 2 Amiga is a conversion. The question isn't which sound chip is the best but where the game is most playable-> Atari ST
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 It's not more playable as the frame rate is bad and the sound is. You have to ask yourself why it outsold the Atari when it was a few hundreds pounds more expensive? It's inferior in every way.
That would be like me saying Atari Jaguar is better than an xbox 360.
Have you ever played on an Amiga? Being American I highly highly highly doubt you have. You wouldn't have even been able to afford the machine back in the day!
132000Volts 1 year ago
@132000Volts I had a C64, an Amiga 500, 2000, 1200, Atari ST, PC and several consoles. And I have played Turrican 2 on the C64, Amiga and Atari St. The C64 is the best on playability, after that the Atari St version and then the Amiga. The Atari has a faster cpu speed (8 instead of 7,14 mhz). And there weren't sold more Amiga 500 than Atari ST. And I'm from Europe and not from America ... get your facts straight before trolling around.
r8qt7 1 year ago
"That would be like me saying Atari Jaguar is better than an xbox 360."
No the comparison between Atari ST vs. Amiga is saying: The Xbox360 is better than the PS3 ...
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 considering the Atari had inferior sound, inferior graphics, inferior colour palette, less frames per second, shows that you really don't know much about computers
You're trying to say a game which is exactly the same puzzle, with inferior sound, inferior frames per second and inferior graphics is better, lmfao
I know Americans are stupid, but come on
132000Volts 1 year ago
@132000Volts Do you have a learning disability or are you having problems with words in general? I have written: "I'm from Europe and not from America ... get your facts straight before trolling around. .
It seems you have problems understanding the difference between 'theoretical hardware performance' and 'gameplay' / 'usability of a game'.
Turrican 1 on the ST has over 25 frames per second, Turrican 2 around 19 - 27 f/s.I know your country absolutely sucked in soccer but pull yourself together
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 - You have your location in America so your IQ level has dropped to that of an American.
I don't care how England did in the world cup, that's what happens when you have a poor manager in charge
The game runs at a slower frame rate, has inferior sound, has the same layout, puzzles, yet you say it's better.
You tell me why the version on the ST is better. You're just dodging questions like an American when justifying the war in Iraq
132000Volts 1 year ago
@132000Volts You have your location in America so your IQ level has dropped to that of an American.
So with your logic your IQ drops to zero if you are on the toilet???
In your case that may be true. Repeating untrue statements as in your case doesn't make them true. Turrican 1 is better on the Atari ST and Turrican 2 plays better.
Americans just don't want to argue with an English half-imp. The problem is not them - it's you. The 132000 volts have obviously fried your brain, n00b.
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7 - You probably do need the toilet as you're full of shit
Can you say why it's better with an inferior frame rate, less colour palette, inferior sound, but exactly the same level design and puzzles please
Keep dodging the questions but you haven't told me why it's better. Even people who owned both machines would agree. Even Paul who reviews Turrican for Amiga and Atari will agree!
132000Volts 1 year ago
@r8qt7
Your personal preference doesn't determine what is true and untrue.
Show any average, unbiased guy an Atari ST and an Amiga playing both Turricans. I can easily predict what 99% of the people will answer when asked: which version is better? Which version has the better sound? Which version has the better playability, because it runs way smoother?
porcorosso81 1 year ago
@r8qt7
And yes, I know that both Turricans are technical masterpieces on the ST, written by Thomas Engel. They push the hardware quite far. The result is, nevertheless, still inferior. The ST was the most inexpensive 16 Bit computer one could own. It still kicks an Macintosh and IBM PC of that era down. I can understand why people feel nostalgic towards something they used to own. But on a technical level, what bullshit I constantly read from ST guys is truly cringe worthy.
porcorosso81 1 year ago
@porcorosso81: "But on a technical level, what bullshit I constantly read from ST guys is truly cringe worthy. "
My argument is mostly the playability (not about hardware features) of Turrican 1 + 2. The C64 version of them is most playable (check yt video "why turrican is meant to be played on the c64") - even the C64 is significant slower than the 16 Bit machines.
r8qt7 1 year ago
@r8qt7
I know that the C64 versions of both Turricans have advantages in terms of gameplay, but what does the Atari ST version have? I played it on the original hardware, and found the game design to be mostly identical, nothing which places it on top of the Amiga version.
porcorosso81 1 year ago
I love the music on this level. It is forever in my head and it's excellent to hear the actual ST sounds - Thank you!
djlink345 3 years ago 2
Extremely impressive game on the ST !
- Constant 25 FPS while scrolling
- Ingame samples
- Parallax scrolling (Jetpak level)
- Lots of enemies
It wouldn´t be possible without preshifted graphics and a VERY clever screen redraw technique (updates only the difference between frames)
I LOVE boundarie pushing
Ahle2 3 years ago 2
I'm wondering why they didn't just use the same engine for the second part
r8qt7 2 years ago