Its so annoying when you hear religious folk deny the fact they are distant relatives of monkey's. I just tell them to look at their hairy nutsack and explain why its hairy.
The Big Bang] “…is only a myth that attempts to say how the universe came into being….” Hannes Alfvén (Nobel Prize winning physicist). "Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact." (Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission.)
this movie looks pretty fun, based on evolution vs. creation, I like the fact that just 2 brothers made the entire thing, called EVOLUTION CREEK, look it up!
Richard Dawkins is here opposing Creationism and Evolution by natural selection; but what he is not doing is opposing Creation and Evolution by natural selection, for there is no 'a priori' contradiction between the one and the other. Creationism = biblical literalism; but Creation = "the radical causing of existence of whatever exists" and it answers the question "why is there something rather than nothing". Creation is fully compatible with Evolution; Creationism is not.
@trentmuch1 Just imagine loads of adults believed in santa claus and indoctrinated their children into doing so too. Would you advocate a gentle approach to explain their idiocy to them? In any case, he's not preaching - the same level of constructive argument if used to say, justify how to build a house so it won't collapse, would be welcomed by you.
As a Christian, I can Biblically say with 100% accuracy that "creationism" as we understand it today is completely false. Dawkins simply demonstrates that fact brilliantly through science and reason.
@dionstrezlecki I can say with full confidence, they are on this subject. If you have time, Read Genesis chapter 1 through chapter 2:3; contemplate the structure, the use of "God", the order of creation, and the desire to present opposites (light/dark). Then read the rest of chapter 2 and 3; now notice the completely different structure, the different order, the use of "LORD God", and the different presentations of each event. These are two completely different creation accounts constructed...
@dionstrezlecki ...from two completely different traditions/communities (speaking generally, Genesis 1 was the "Priestly" tradition; Genesis 2 was the "Yahwist" tradition). Therefore, we see that these two accounts are not "historical accounts" as we understand historical accounts today. They were traditions, narratives used to talk about how God MAY have created. The Bible in general should not bee seen as a "history" book, it is first and for most a theological book that has history in it.
@perichoresis7 It's sad to observe the pathetic twists of logic of religious people trying to defend the bible. It is a stupid collection of rubbish from the bronze age mate, move on.
@314159192829 I disagree. Nothing I have said is a "twist of logic" in anyway. Any ancient historian (Christian or otherwise) will agree with everything I have said here. You are trapped in a literary culture, and therefore are blinded to moves being made by an oral culture (as we see documented in the Bible).
@smsm032 not really, Science is open to the idea that the Universe always existed and just transforms from one state to the other. We are within a cycle. Thus there would be no need for a beginning and therefore someone-something to start things.
@jimmyriche That's the thing, science observes, THEN establishes a conclusion, so science cannot be biased in any way let alone against religion. The man who proposed evolution Darwin, was a Christian!
Fallen sinful Man has always tried to think up new theory's and philosophies to avoid the reality of facing the creator, when you die and leave this world you will have the same awful empty hope in your own salvation but it will be to late. "Only one life, so soon it will pass, only what's done for Christ will last, Only one chance". Give your life to Jesus Christ today, for you may not live to see tomorrow.
@RasputinStream Let me get this straight, you are trying to justify the actions of Adolfo hitler..... Maybe we're talking about different hitlers here because the one I'm talking about is one of history's greatest tyrants.
well....i guess im ignorant. :( but ive seen to much evidence that the evolution that is presented to to me in public skools is bs that i cant buy into evolution, at least not the version that is taught.
@SilentWaFFLed Evolution is a scientific fact, what about it makes you think it's bs? It's quite simple- organisms mutate, mutations that are helpful are passed on and mutations that are harmful die out. Over time the helpful mutations build up to allow an organism to adapt to its environment. That makes alot more sense than "God did it with magic", don't you think? And there's a hell of alot more evidence and experimentation to back it up.
@kilroy055 No buddy, evolution is not "fact". A fact is something that is 100% correct. Evolution is full of loopholes and dark spots...especially sayings that alot of evidence presented is outdated and innacurate. The carbon dating method used is also bs.
@SilentWaFFLed You can baldly assert that carbon dating is "bs", but you're just wrong unless you can provide actual evidence and reasoning for your opinion. A scientific fact is not 100% certain, it's as certain as we can be with our current knowledge of the universe. What evidence is outdated/inaccurate? What loopholes and dark spots are you referring to? I doubt you will actually name any, and if you do theyre probably easily disproveable. Only the ignorant still doubt evolution...
in a K-!2 system they are not going to give you details that you can not understand, that would be like showing you vector calculus when you can count to 10 yet. but know this, people of all kinds have studied it and know it is correct, even religious people, they still believe in god but NOT in creation as told in the bible. even the pope and other leaders say so.
Do your homework before making such idiotic statements
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity"
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure"
@sol43sol43 We know the earths age through a corroboration of radio metric dating and our knowledge of the dynamics involved in the formation of the solar system. 4.6 billion is not an exact number, believing in science is not ignorant because science is not an absolute, dogmatic, or biased system like religion is. Now explain to me why it's stupid to believe that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, as opposed to believing against all odds, and all evidence that it's less than 10000 years old.
4.6 billion???? how do we know that for sure? that is something very stupid to believe in too....if someone believes in everything that scientists say is also an ignorant,
@sol43sol43 Science is not an absolute system. Its never yes or no and scientist form hypothesis based upon evidence and probabilities. It could change tomorrow if the evidence presents itself. Theories are tested and tested again so it's not as though they make a statement and then expect your to believe it. As for the Earth just look up "Age of the Earth" on Wikipedia and you will be on your way.
Theists are ignorant, that much is beyond doubt. Christian theists are by far the most ignorant of theists. History teaches us that the Christian clan were, not only barbaric, but self-grandiose and delusional. Not much has changed. JM
Dont argue with religious people, please. LEt them squabble amongst them. like they always have done. In 100 years , religion will be ... how scientists put it?? Extinct....
@Mogley52 There's no war among evolutionists, they all agree on the matter. And the organs within ALL of the present species, as in the past, are evolving. Right now. The evolution is an ongoing process, whether you like it or not. And the "kinds" are bewllshit, go back to Evolution 101, please!
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
@lookingfordagobah He won't respond. He copypastes this nonsense from his website and spams videos to get people to go to his website in violation of youtubes terms of service.
@Mogley52 Tat just makes you a non christian. PLUS, if you are a true chistian, you MUST assume, and believe, that YOU will be saved and anyone else, even a highly moral, highly ethical, nice, kind, amazing human who is NOT a christian will not. That to me makes you and any other Christian a mean selfish egotistical crazy nut and a bastard to say the least. Come out of the closet, have some courage. I was raised a Muslim and even I know how BS and man made all of these cults are.
@scientistrules "if you are a true chistian, you MUST assume, and believe, that YOU will be saved..."
Actually, according to the Bible HITLER would have gone to heaven. Jesus forgives everything except blasphemy.
But all the billions of people on Earth who, because of their culture, will never even HEAR about the existence of Jesus Christ & won't make it to heaven because according to John 14:6 the only way to heaven is through him.
Stunningly ignorant isn't it? Even if it was true it's immoral.
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
@EvolutionNoEvidence funny? I don't see any of that. Truth is you are a FOOL for not seeing the truth and logic in what he is saying and retort to stupid terms such as funny to describe it.
right on, Richard. I will go further and state that to impose your religious believes on a child and force them to accept them sight unseen, is actually child abuse. Pure and simple.
It closes them to the ability to see beyond and realise that live is magical enough without needing a creator.
Religion is just a tool for social control. You don't realise but religion controls all peoples lives, even if you aren't religious it still controls a lot of your life. I live in England and I went to a middle school that made us prey. I think it is wrong to force someone to do something they don't believe is right and I also think it is wrong to discriminate people because of their beliefs. I don't mind the religious so long as they don't try to change my values or way of life. :3
It's times like this when you ask yourself how those who are religious manage to get an education but still cling to their fairytales and myths. Oh, right....it's because of their parents brainwashing them.
For anyone to choose to believe in a Bible version of God is mind boggling to me. To believe in a creator who will punish mankind in horrifying ways for not loving him and serving his will, is something hard to imagine. I choose to believe in the evolution of life and that should a God exist, that he hopes the best for all the creatures he put into play. No Heaven. No Hell. And if something should come after death (I hope so), it is beyond our ability to comprehend what that may be.
Religion is such awful, irrational dogma, that it needs to endoctrinate people in their childhood, or they would never be persuaded by such hostility and ignorant attack on our natural morality.
I'm Muslim and I approve this message, especially what he said about our ignorance as human beings. We havebecome too afraid to challenge what we believe in because our parents and later society have told us what to think think & what to feel. I chose to believe in the Quran - a way of life, (taken in it's true context) and it has surely opened up my view on the world. I also at the same time listen to atheists such as Chris Hitchens and agree with their thinking against religious ritualization.
@SilentPrayingmanTis You're so ignorant and full of fear that it has filled you with hatred. I won't try to prove you wrong or myself right here because I don't like to argue with people who start discussions by attacking others in a cheap attempt to demean them, as if they know what the eternal truth is. You certainly are pathetic to judge people you don't know behind your computer screen.
Can you imagine what the smell on that boat would have been like? I gotta change my catbox every day. Lucky Noah and his fam didn't die of methane fumes. I mean thats a lot of poop.
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. And he describes them perfectly in this video. Very nice people, but extremely deluded. They do say things like "the devil is trying to trick you into leaving the truth," "apostates may sound like they have good reasoning, but it is nothing more than the devil finding your weaknesses!" It's quite sad really. I'm surprised I got out, and happy I can now enjoy the exquisite beauty of science!
@BurtGasm try getting your info from actual scientists instead of creationists and maybe you will cease being one of the ignorant described by RD in the video.
so well said, but now the religous are starting to accept evolution which leads into a few errors. The first is that the simplest answer is most likely to be true, in your every day life there is no supernatural occurences therefore such a thing is very improbable. Also, evolution is imperfect, we nearly became extinct so why then would a perfect being create imperfect humans? Can God fully be perfect if he doesn't use his full potential?
@clownprince88 Ever heard of occams razor? I mean what is the point of it being created, when you cannot assert that there is a personal God behind it? Let alone get sufficient evidence to have enough reason to believe it was created in the first place. Truth be told, God serves as a poor scientific explanation.
I'm a Creationist...and the thing I don't understand is...Why does it honestly matter if I am a Creationist...I believe every man is entitled to his own belief structure, so what give Dawkins the right to call us ignorant and foolish, I consider myself pretty educated in both fields so what I am going to do, because I am interested in what you would like to say and that is Why do you not believe in the Theory of Creationism? and why should I believe in the Theory of Evolution?
@a1mint The thing about criticizing someone and their beliefs whether they be of a Christian Stance or of a Evolutionistic Stance is I see that being humane in speech is the best thing to be! and yes, I know "both fields" and the word theory is "The analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another."(Yes I googled it lol) Where Exactly is Evolution Observed? Also Creationism is Observed where do you not see it?
@BurtGasm Read Dawkins book "The greatest show on earth" and you will learn how and where to observe evolution! "creationism is observed where do you not see it" who's to say life has not always existed in the universe (in the form of a single cell etc") along with all the other matter then when it came in contact with the correct conditions it evolved over millions of years? Maybe the universe always existed and dosnt need a creator. Some religions believe there god has always been there.
@gazamused Thats the beauty in our religions yes, I see Evolution as a Religion which people think they can make stronger by saying "Its Factual Science" just because its in a book that you where taught with in school and they called it Fact doesnt mean it is...with the word Science being defined as a study dealing with a body of facts or truths doesnt that mean that in your theories you have to assume the time is there and the fossil record and it isnt just Flood debris from a world wide flood?
@BurtGasm go and watch Thunderf00t series "Why people laugh at creationists", very informative. Science works, science gave us antibiotics, vaccines, fertilisers, railways, computers, central heating and many more. What does your creationism have done so far?
@Kibernautas I'm not sure if it's a misperception but i'm not against science, I love science I just see evolution as a religion just as mine and for it to be taught as fact is wrong. when a Fossil is shoved in my face and someone say this is millions of years old I ask whats the proof there is no date as if it was a coin and you cant prove to me that fossil had any kids...especially a kid that was different than its on kind...its never been recorded...therefore not a fact; just a belief system
as for kids, that does not matters, if that particular (fossilised) animal have any. What matters, fossil record show gradual change over time in species lineage.
@Kibernautas Radiometric dating has been known to be inaccurate...my favorite example is when they "date" one side of an animal and its say 2 million years old and the other side is 6 million years old....The radioactive isotopes they record have known to be sparatic and come in in different rates...they've even dated live humans and came in at huge amounts.
@BurtGasm you have no idea what you are talking about, get your facts right.
All claims about radiometric dating being inaccurate were refuted many times.
Different isotopes have different rate of decay (so called half-life), but every of them never change their rate of decay, all nuclear power stations are based on rate of decay being constant.
It was tested in all possible conditions and rate of decay stayed same up to millionth part.
@Kibernautas I'm no Wikipedia so sorry I have no papers on hand. If you would like to further review the Creationist stories there's the bible and the best creationist out there I would say would be Kent Hovind watch a few of his videos on YouTube he has a few sermons.
'best creationist out there I would say would be Kent Hovind'
I agree, he's the best creationism has to offer, a phony Dr with a fake Ph.d., from a diploma mill, he taught science for 15 years (in a bible school that required no qualifications, because he has none). He's is not taken seriously by anyone other then other deluded creationists, he disseminates misinformation, half truths and out right lies.
I hes no credibility, no integrity and is currently serving time for tax fraud.
@AndyCielecki Sounds like something from someone who doesn't want to listen to him...See I listen to both sides, I have followed both evolutionist and Creationist for a long time and by you saying he can't be taken seriously is Bias...you must listen to both sides before judging...Also he has the diplomas and he did the schooling it was a non-accredited school there are plenty of doctors and scientist out there who go to schools like this...So just watch him before judgement.
Yes it's biased by the fact the guys a dishonest idiot, and actually no there aren't any credible scientist coming out of non accredited colleges like patriot bible college, this so called college is a large house where the owner lives with his family, read hovinds dissertation it's available online.
He gained his Ph'd in 6 months, did no original research and writes like an eleven year old.
Even other creationists distance themselves from hovind, which is telling in the extreme.
@AndyCielecki As I said watch his material before you call him an idiot I have seen much of Richard Dawkins Material and many Creationists material so in my opinion you need to view both extremes (In this case I'd say Dawkins and Hovind would qualify as opposites lol) you can hear and read many things about your common man and look at him in disgust because of a review another man gave him...you need to see to believe in this case. I give both sides there time to explain themselves as should all
I have watched his material, almost certainly more then you have, I've also read his Ph'd dissertation and seem all his debates.
I have also read peer reviews of his work,...that's not really fair because peer reviwe suggests he was on a level with those reviewing him...he was not, his work is laughable.
He bought his degree from a diploma mill and doesn't even have a high school understanding of science.
His dissertation starts 'Hello, my name is Kent Hovind.' he's a joke.
@AndyCielecki Well here I'll help you out and say this, it doesn't matter if he has the right degrees or not the man is not liked because of what he stands for, I'm not here to stand up for Mr. Hovind I am standing up for Creationism, because another man called it ignorant and I believe all men are entitled to view both sides and make their final thought on this...you have your religious stance on your belief as do I, that's why we are both so strongly standing on opposite sides of the road lol
hovind is ridiculed because he is a fuckwit, he is dishonest, he perverts truth to make a fast buck , he's a tax fraudster, and an enemy of anyone who values the truth.
I'd suggest you stop watching hovinds videos and read a real science text book.
@AndyCielecki Well the Congo is pretty large so whose to say something couldn't be in there...it would be illogical to say if half of it is unexplored... Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again? Hitler believed Jews and the others where less superior than what he thought was superior so he did kill them for that and that is a Darwinian thought the strongest should survive and what Hitler saw as flawed...he exposed of disgustingly.
Typical theist logic, you can't prove it isn't true, that's weak.
I't difficult to know where to start you clearly have very little education, and no understanding of what evolution actually is and the mechanisms by which it works.
>' Hitler believed Jews and the others where less superior than what he thought was superior so he did kill them for that and that is a Darwinian thought the strongest should survive '
@AndyCielecki not sure why you want to jump the conclusion that I have lesser education I have a pretty strong knowledge in both fields (No PhD lol) why do you not think I don't understand evolution which part do you think I'm quite not understanding? and why did Hitler Kill who he killed then?
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.'
@AndyCielecki still stands that what Hitler did was wrong he believed in the survival of the fittest and that's why he did what he did such as the sterilization of the lessers and being the death bringer to the mentally insane and finally the rest...the excuse evolutionist come up with is he was a social Darwinism...which still brings its basis to what was taught...so think what you want, the thought was still seeded from this idea.
Go read it again, Hitlers idea's were based on blood lines, a biblical concept.
'Evolution and "survival of the fittest" are not the same thing. Evolution refers to the cumulative changes in a population or species through time.'
'The Nazis based their eugenics program on the United States' programs of forced sterilization, especially on the eugenics laws that had been enacted in California'
@AndyCielecki Nevertheless in the long run doesn't matter what Hitler was...we can both agree what he did was wrong to those people this doesn't help prove or disprove either of our situations just shows that either way he went he distorted a belief system and disgusted it into the death of many!
I think it does matter, because this twisting of the facts to present a case that evolution is in some way immoral is dishonest.
There is no evidence to support that a belief in evolution somehow leads to genocide, it's ridiculous.
And it's not like we don't know why the creationist do it, no one outside of the US creationist moment take the evolution deniers seriously, or the literal interpretation of the bible.
@AndyCielecki Again, Hitler is not the "model" Christian, & for you to keep going on about how evil he was should tell you that he was not only perverting but distorting any of Christ's teachings.
if a soldier goes on a killing spree, using his military skills,does that mean that the soldier is a representation of all the fine military men? can you say that the soldier who killed at least 16 other soldiers in cold blood in fort hood TX is what the military is all about?
This is amusing, Hitler was introduced into the argument by the theists as an example of why atheism is immoral and leads to genocide, when you inform them he wasn't an atheist he then becomes 'not the "model" Christian'.
As to your second point, not that it's even relevant but yeah your right it's totally different, it's not like the militarily believe in killing people is it?
@TheZimstar Hitler not a model Christian? He did what for centuries every good Christian prayed for: that the world was rid of the Christ killers, the Jews.
@BurtGasm "Hitler did was wrong he believed in the survival of the fittest"
Survival of the fittest was a media term and does NOT apply to evolution, again you HAVE to be lacking an education in evolution to say this.
Also, Hitler believed he could strenghten humanity by 'purifying' race, IE making it less diverse. Evolution proves that the EXACT opposite is true IE that diversity strengthens a species.
Are you suggesting that before Darwin no one understood that killing all the Jews would wipe out their 'race'? Are you claiming that no one knew that Jews give birth to Jews and 'blacks' give birth to 'blacks'?
@BurtGasm "why do you not think I don't understand evolution"
you just said, and i quote "Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again?"
Only someone uneducated in the very basics of the subject could make such a statement, it's akin to claiming to know car mechanics and then saying that combustion engines are not proven to work!
@AndyCielecki Oh forgive me I left a man out...Both Herbert Spencer and Charles Darwin used this term at around the same time so I thought perhaps you may not know who the man was so I used the most well known in the science field. so yeah you can rebuttle your insult if you wish to if not I don't care you can be a stubborn Evolutionist if you wish
No, he said they had been found there when that is untrue.
"Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again?"
Mutations are not always harmful, in fact most of them are inert. There are differences between all children and their parents thqat are caused by mutation, these mutations are for the most part harmless.
QED.
It helps to know a subject before making statements regarding that subject like the above.
@AndyCielecki he said it might be in turkey..no one knows where it is..if its still together, they may have used it to build a house. and with Tax fraud I agree that was the wrong thing to do...well at least the way he did it...he believed that for him to pay taxes for public schools to fund the teaching of evolution he wasn't going to be a part of it...and that was pretty careless but as I said I'm here to defend a belief not a man which all men have flaws.
@AndyCielecki The Cubit what they used to give the dimensions and that was the length of a man's arm from fingertips to elbow so its not known how long the arc was its an estimation and so? what if it was 450...just because not many have been built you assume it couldn't be built that's illogical? and if built right sure it would it wasn't no hurricane it was rain from above and the fountains of the deep opening. as always I am standing up for Creationist...not Hovind he took a stand...and fell.
The biggest wooden ship ever built was the Wyoming it was 449 long and needed reinforcing with iron cross-bracings to stop it warping (they didn't)and needed to run bilge pumps continually to stop it sinking, that was the height of wooded ship tech, it could carry 6,000 long of coal.
Noah didn't have steel/iron nails power tools, electric pumps, bitumen, the dino babies alone would take them over weight.
When it rains the condensation releases latent heat, it was calculated that the amount of rain needed to cover the earth it would have raised the earths tempreture to 10,000 degrees.
Hovend has said in his videos that you can cover the world with one drop of water, if you spread it thin enough, do you belive this?
@AndyCielecki that top part...Bull Crap...bottom part...no never heard that said but even if he did i don't believe it...the mans a man with a theory..I never said hes the infallible word of God haha
Hovid was not only wrong about 1 drop of water covering the earth but it's been calculated that it would need 150,000 tons of water to cover it in a 1 molecular thick layer...that;s an error factor of a trillion
@AndyCielecki Its a theory as he has said no one knows other than the man with the cubit on both sides of his rib-cage and the people who helped him build it. the man and the family had time to build this and build it correct...just because it sounds impossible doesn't automatically make it impossible...Look at Howard Hughes "Spruce Goose" they said that was impossible and it would never fly...it flew. In the time they had I believe they had the time and built it right.
The Hughes Hercules is irrelevant and not comparable, they had the infrastructure and resources to build it and an experienced designer and engineering experience accumulated since the industrial revolution,
Noah probably had a stone hammer, and a task that would have challenged Brunnel..
Feeding the animals, sanitation, exercise, maintenance suitable environments for all 16000 them, you think that's plausible?.
@AndyCielecki "and a task that would have challenged Brunnel.."
Actually, it is an impossible task unless the 'Ark' is a planet with the exact ecosystem as Earth's. A flood of that scale would kill whales and most other sea creatures. You only ever need that fact to destroy this idiotic idea.
@BurtGasm Sure you can argue that just because it sounds impossible doesn't mean it is......but the problem is that we know and understand wood very well. We understand what kind of stress it can take, how long planks can be made, pressure points on the ship, etc. The math is simply not holding up on the materials, nevermind the animals. Its akin to saying he built a 10 mile tower out of wood, when we know that it would not only collapse, but would get blown over by the wind.
The assertion that abiogenesis is part of the theory of evolution, if he's really that ignorant of what evolution is he shouldn't be speaking about it.
They are entitled to have their view, as are NAMBLA members and people who believe the Mayans predicted the end of the world, but that does not change the fact that they are completely wrong.
@BurtGasm I have watched many of "Dr." Hovind videos, know his arguments pretty well and can responsibly call him an idiot .
My favourite is when Hovind claims that pieces of fossilised dinosaur bone were carbon dated to very different dates. WTF? Carbon dated? There are no carbon in fossils, carbon is replaced with other elements, now it is essentially stone.
He have no clues what is fossilisation and how it works...
Hovind is either ignorant idiot, or worse, liar and hypocrite.
@Kibernautas Let's further refer to Hovind as prisoner 06452-017. 06452-017 has to know, at some level, that he is being dishonest. His little shit of a son certainly does - you can see it in his eyes. I'm sure Eric wagered that the money beats out having a conscious.
@BurtGasm "Sounds like something from someone who doesn't want to listen to him"
I have listened to as much as i could stand of him, seriously only the very poorly educated could ever take more then 15 minutes of his ramblings before the humor wears off!
@BurtGasm "Radiometric dating has been known to be inaccurate"
No it hasn't, you believe what you read on idiotic websites. There are many forms of radiometric dating and they all have error margins, yet they all agree to a great degree of accuracy.
They also tally with other dating methods without exception.
"radioactive isotopes they record have known to be sparatic and come in in different rates"
That is nonsense, it depends of what you are dating, IE i could eat a fossil.
Its so annoying when you hear religious folk deny the fact they are distant relatives of monkey's. I just tell them to look at their hairy nutsack and explain why its hairy.
DIGITALSCREAMS 4 days ago 2
Fabulous delivery of what should be taught ideas. Unfortunately, as he says, there are people who just don't want to learn the truth.
kevinbreen 5 days ago
The Big Bang] “…is only a myth that attempts to say how the universe came into being….” Hannes Alfvén (Nobel Prize winning physicist). "Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact." (Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission.)
jimmyriche 5 days ago
@jimmyriche Well if you will get your info from cretinous creationist websites you'll post shit just like you are.
Appeals to authority are meaningless, ya gotta look at the science and science says otherwise.
Have a nice delusion, fucktard.
Rockster969 4 days ago
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kaychikybabexo 1 week ago
This man is God........
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MrNDUDE16 1 week ago
billion as in the short scale? Or as in the long scale? I've always wondered that.
Fenorn 1 week ago
@Fenorn one with nine zeros not one with twelve.
314159192829 1 week ago
@314159192829 thank you
Fenorn 1 week ago
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this movie looks pretty fun, based on evolution vs. creation, I like the fact that just 2 brothers made the entire thing, called EVOLUTION CREEK, look it up!
chauncyhead 1 week ago
Richard Dawkins is here opposing Creationism and Evolution by natural selection; but what he is not doing is opposing Creation and Evolution by natural selection, for there is no 'a priori' contradiction between the one and the other. Creationism = biblical literalism; but Creation = "the radical causing of existence of whatever exists" and it answers the question "why is there something rather than nothing". Creation is fully compatible with Evolution; Creationism is not.
bayreuth79 1 week ago
I'm a fangirl for life ♥
AvanLotharion 1 week ago
Richard Dawkins tells the majority of people, everything that they already know.
Here's the rub, though - Does he realize how hypocritical he sounds when he "preaches" his points so aggressively? :S
He's not wrong! But would diplomacy go amiss??
trentmuch1 1 week ago
@trentmuch1 Just imagine loads of adults believed in santa claus and indoctrinated their children into doing so too. Would you advocate a gentle approach to explain their idiocy to them? In any case, he's not preaching - the same level of constructive argument if used to say, justify how to build a house so it won't collapse, would be welcomed by you.
314159192829 1 week ago
@314159192829
Indoctrination is wrong.
But what differentiates Mr. Dawkins from any number of evangelists exactly? Apart from the blatantly obvious, of course! :P
Each thinks the other is wrong.
Each argues that theits, and theits alone is the correct way.
Richard Dawkins has a formidable intellect not shared with all other people on this Earth.
Some are content to *quietly* "keep the faith" without being wrongly harangued for indoctrinating others.
trentmuch1 6 days ago
As a Christian, I can Biblically say with 100% accuracy that "creationism" as we understand it today is completely false. Dawkins simply demonstrates that fact brilliantly through science and reason.
perichoresis7 1 week ago
@perichoresis7 loool no its not mate believe the bible or believe dawkins they are 100% not compatible
dionstrezlecki 1 week ago
@dionstrezlecki I can say with full confidence, they are on this subject. If you have time, Read Genesis chapter 1 through chapter 2:3; contemplate the structure, the use of "God", the order of creation, and the desire to present opposites (light/dark). Then read the rest of chapter 2 and 3; now notice the completely different structure, the different order, the use of "LORD God", and the different presentations of each event. These are two completely different creation accounts constructed...
perichoresis7 1 week ago
@dionstrezlecki ...from two completely different traditions/communities (speaking generally, Genesis 1 was the "Priestly" tradition; Genesis 2 was the "Yahwist" tradition). Therefore, we see that these two accounts are not "historical accounts" as we understand historical accounts today. They were traditions, narratives used to talk about how God MAY have created. The Bible in general should not bee seen as a "history" book, it is first and for most a theological book that has history in it.
perichoresis7 1 week ago
@perichoresis7 It's sad to observe the pathetic twists of logic of religious people trying to defend the bible. It is a stupid collection of rubbish from the bronze age mate, move on.
314159192829 1 week ago
@314159192829 I disagree. Nothing I have said is a "twist of logic" in anyway. Any ancient historian (Christian or otherwise) will agree with everything I have said here. You are trapped in a literary culture, and therefore are blinded to moves being made by an oral culture (as we see documented in the Bible).
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fadechicobuarque1989 1 week ago
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@perichoresis7 One more bible user - ok, let me ask him: You have any evidence that the bible tells the truth?
fadechicobuarque1989 1 week ago
yep, no problems, there is no God, no religion. But there is something at the beginning in which both parties can not prove yet.
smsm032 1 week ago
@smsm032 not really, Science is open to the idea that the Universe always existed and just transforms from one state to the other. We are within a cycle. Thus there would be no need for a beginning and therefore someone-something to start things.
koyima 1 week ago
@koyima
thanks for your comment, I really need this, but our brain needs the "beginning" as an athiast i can't understand the theory of "cycle"
thanks
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THAT was great !!!!!
linoleumcarving 2 weeks ago
@jimmyriche That's the thing, science observes, THEN establishes a conclusion, so science cannot be biased in any way let alone against religion. The man who proposed evolution Darwin, was a Christian!
kyekire 2 weeks ago
Dawkins 2012
redshadowsword 2 weeks ago 5
@redshadowsword you forever
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Fallen sinful Man has always tried to think up new theory's and philosophies to avoid the reality of facing the creator, when you die and leave this world you will have the same awful empty hope in your own salvation but it will be to late. "Only one life, so soon it will pass, only what's done for Christ will last, Only one chance". Give your life to Jesus Christ today, for you may not live to see tomorrow.
jimmyriche 2 weeks ago
@jimmyriche when you die you become worm food, let's go to the cemetary and I'll show you. Oh and Santa Clauss isn't real either.
koyima 1 week ago
@RasputinStream or were u talking about my comment involving Age of earth, not Hitler?
kyekire 2 weeks ago
@RasputinStream Let me get this straight, you are trying to justify the actions of Adolfo hitler..... Maybe we're talking about different hitlers here because the one I'm talking about is one of history's greatest tyrants.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
well....i guess im ignorant. :( but ive seen to much evidence that the evolution that is presented to to me in public skools is bs that i cant buy into evolution, at least not the version that is taught.
SilentWaFFLed 2 weeks ago
@SilentWaFFLed i guess you are...
lhurien 2 weeks ago
@SilentWaFFLed Evolution is a scientific fact, what about it makes you think it's bs? It's quite simple- organisms mutate, mutations that are helpful are passed on and mutations that are harmful die out. Over time the helpful mutations build up to allow an organism to adapt to its environment. That makes alot more sense than "God did it with magic", don't you think? And there's a hell of alot more evidence and experimentation to back it up.
kilroy055 2 weeks ago
@kilroy055 No buddy, evolution is not "fact". A fact is something that is 100% correct. Evolution is full of loopholes and dark spots...especially sayings that alot of evidence presented is outdated and innacurate. The carbon dating method used is also bs.
SilentWaFFLed 1 week ago
@SilentWaFFLed You can baldly assert that carbon dating is "bs", but you're just wrong unless you can provide actual evidence and reasoning for your opinion. A scientific fact is not 100% certain, it's as certain as we can be with our current knowledge of the universe. What evidence is outdated/inaccurate? What loopholes and dark spots are you referring to? I doubt you will actually name any, and if you do theyre probably easily disproveable. Only the ignorant still doubt evolution...
kilroy055 1 week ago
@SilentWaFFLed
in a K-!2 system they are not going to give you details that you can not understand, that would be like showing you vector calculus when you can count to 10 yet. but know this, people of all kinds have studied it and know it is correct, even religious people, they still believe in god but NOT in creation as told in the bible. even the pope and other leaders say so.
rflooker 1 week ago
@TomFynn Isn't there something in your religion saying thou shall not kill? Hitler violated that about 8 million times.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
@kyekire
Do your homework before making such idiotic statements
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity"
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure"
RasputinStream 2 weeks ago
@sol43sol43 We know the earths age through a corroboration of radio metric dating and our knowledge of the dynamics involved in the formation of the solar system. 4.6 billion is not an exact number, believing in science is not ignorant because science is not an absolute, dogmatic, or biased system like religion is. Now explain to me why it's stupid to believe that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, as opposed to believing against all odds, and all evidence that it's less than 10000 years old.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
Education <-- spend your money on it
S0M3K1ND0FCRAZY 2 weeks ago
As Mr. Burns would say while twiddling his fingers "excellent".
toyouiwill 2 weeks ago
4.6 billion???? how do we know that for sure? that is something very stupid to believe in too....if someone believes in everything that scientists say is also an ignorant,
sol43sol43 2 weeks ago
@sol43sol43 Science is not an absolute system. Its never yes or no and scientist form hypothesis based upon evidence and probabilities. It could change tomorrow if the evidence presents itself. Theories are tested and tested again so it's not as though they make a statement and then expect your to believe it. As for the Earth just look up "Age of the Earth" on Wikipedia and you will be on your way.
Animeabe 2 weeks ago
Go die plz...
Nanatsaya77 2 weeks ago
@sol43sol43 yeah we do.. give or take 4.6 billion. Can I ask you what year you think the dinosaurs roamed the earth?? It's called carbon dating
Iotasnake 2 weeks ago
Just because some people are wrong does not make you right Dickie.
WhelkDoctor1 2 weeks ago
Theists are ignorant, that much is beyond doubt. Christian theists are by far the most ignorant of theists. History teaches us that the Christian clan were, not only barbaric, but self-grandiose and delusional. Not much has changed. JM
manson48 3 weeks ago
Richard sums it up right here. Accurate and to the point.
northoforacle 3 weeks ago
Creationists = dictators. Atheism=revolutionaries. Time for the overthrow.
DayDreamAscent 3 weeks ago
Dont argue with religious people, please. LEt them squabble amongst them. like they always have done. In 100 years , religion will be ... how scientists put it?? Extinct....
WolfSentry 3 weeks ago
@WolfSentry as nice as that would be, i would strongly disagree.
shockoflogic 3 weeks ago
i agree , such a funny man , bless
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yodelingtonyclark 3 weeks ago
@Mogley52 There's no war among evolutionists, they all agree on the matter. And the organs within ALL of the present species, as in the past, are evolving. Right now. The evolution is an ongoing process, whether you like it or not. And the "kinds" are bewllshit, go back to Evolution 101, please!
0vershade 3 weeks ago
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 weeks ago
@Mogley52
Do you believe the Earth is 6000 years old?
lookingfordagobah 3 weeks ago
@lookingfordagobah He won't respond. He copypastes this nonsense from his website and spams videos to get people to go to his website in violation of youtubes terms of service.
johnrainrules 3 weeks ago
@Mogley52 Tat just makes you a non christian. PLUS, if you are a true chistian, you MUST assume, and believe, that YOU will be saved and anyone else, even a highly moral, highly ethical, nice, kind, amazing human who is NOT a christian will not. That to me makes you and any other Christian a mean selfish egotistical crazy nut and a bastard to say the least. Come out of the closet, have some courage. I was raised a Muslim and even I know how BS and man made all of these cults are.
scientistrules 3 weeks ago
@scientistrules "if you are a true chistian, you MUST assume, and believe, that YOU will be saved..."
Actually, according to the Bible HITLER would have gone to heaven. Jesus forgives everything except blasphemy.
But all the billions of people on Earth who, because of their culture, will never even HEAR about the existence of Jesus Christ & won't make it to heaven because according to John 14:6 the only way to heaven is through him.
Stunningly ignorant isn't it? Even if it was true it's immoral.
warren52nz 3 weeks ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 weeks ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 3 weeks ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site. The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation).
Mogley52 3 weeks ago
just met a christian nut in Sydney who believes that....spent 2 hrs talking...no hope....lost cause
scientistrules 3 weeks ago
he is such a funny man , wrong but funny,
EvolutionNoEvidence 3 weeks ago
@EvolutionNoEvidence funny? I don't see any of that. Truth is you are a FOOL for not seeing the truth and logic in what he is saying and retort to stupid terms such as funny to describe it.
scientistrules 3 weeks ago
right on, Richard. I will go further and state that to impose your religious believes on a child and force them to accept them sight unseen, is actually child abuse. Pure and simple.
It closes them to the ability to see beyond and realise that live is magical enough without needing a creator.
JaMaNoranda 3 weeks ago 15
This man is a legend.
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chauncyhead 4 weeks ago
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@lookingfordagobah Lol @ you,still being here. :-D
MsOluwatoyin 4 weeks ago
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MsOluwatoyin 4 weeks ago
Religion is just a tool for social control. You don't realise but religion controls all peoples lives, even if you aren't religious it still controls a lot of your life. I live in England and I went to a middle school that made us prey. I think it is wrong to force someone to do something they don't believe is right and I also think it is wrong to discriminate people because of their beliefs. I don't mind the religious so long as they don't try to change my values or way of life. :3
onlybyron 4 weeks ago
hmm... believing in god without proof is like not believing in god if god told you that he didn't exist
thippyboy77 1 month ago
It's times like this when you ask yourself how those who are religious manage to get an education but still cling to their fairytales and myths. Oh, right....it's because of their parents brainwashing them.
Tah1337Sauce 1 month ago
For anyone to choose to believe in a Bible version of God is mind boggling to me. To believe in a creator who will punish mankind in horrifying ways for not loving him and serving his will, is something hard to imagine. I choose to believe in the evolution of life and that should a God exist, that he hopes the best for all the creatures he put into play. No Heaven. No Hell. And if something should come after death (I hope so), it is beyond our ability to comprehend what that may be.
bboots100 1 month ago
Religion is such awful, irrational dogma, that it needs to endoctrinate people in their childhood, or they would never be persuaded by such hostility and ignorant attack on our natural morality.
Konicava 1 month ago
This dude is a wacko lol to say monkeys are our cousins.. Wat facts were can. See these facts
kenkai76133 1 month ago
@kenkai76133 Well I don't know if you are a retard of just really christian.
Konicava 1 month ago
dude blinks a million miles an hour!!!!!
repomayne 1 month ago
I'm Muslim and I approve this message, especially what he said about our ignorance as human beings. We havebecome too afraid to challenge what we believe in because our parents and later society have told us what to think think & what to feel. I chose to believe in the Quran - a way of life, (taken in it's true context) and it has surely opened up my view on the world. I also at the same time listen to atheists such as Chris Hitchens and agree with their thinking against religious ritualization.
nomania 1 month ago
@nomania so are you looking forwerd to killing non-muslims whne your mahdi comes? please dont answer, its part of your keran to lie ..
SilentPrayingmanTis 1 month ago
@SilentPrayingmanTis You're so ignorant and full of fear that it has filled you with hatred. I won't try to prove you wrong or myself right here because I don't like to argue with people who start discussions by attacking others in a cheap attempt to demean them, as if they know what the eternal truth is. You certainly are pathetic to judge people you don't know behind your computer screen.
nomania 1 month ago
@nomania A "cheap attempt to demean them" that is based on the writings of your holy book.
That you have just said you believe in.
Do you believe only in certain parts? Parts of your own choosing?
ParaSpite 1 month ago
Can you imagine what the smell on that boat would have been like? I gotta change my catbox every day. Lucky Noah and his fam didn't die of methane fumes. I mean thats a lot of poop.
MrOceanicPilot 1 month ago
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. And he describes them perfectly in this video. Very nice people, but extremely deluded. They do say things like "the devil is trying to trick you into leaving the truth," "apostates may sound like they have good reasoning, but it is nothing more than the devil finding your weaknesses!" It's quite sad really. I'm surprised I got out, and happy I can now enjoy the exquisite beauty of science!
We are star-stuff. - Carl Sagan.
aPpLeJuIcE37RainLucy 1 month ago
Just his presence makes everyone's IQ boost.
Baloonsnufsaid 1 month ago
God made the earth with the fossils in the ground to tempt our faith. Can't beat that Dawkins!
CambridgeHeights 1 month ago
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theres as much chance of god existing as there is of santa existing. some people are so stupid
JACKGB18 1 month ago
I'm a creationist
donkeykong1816 1 month ago
Richard Dawkins is heading for hell.
Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart There is no God"
AlexPreachesTruth 1 month ago
@BurtGasm try getting your info from actual scientists instead of creationists and maybe you will cease being one of the ignorant described by RD in the video.
HoleDweller 1 month ago
so well said, but now the religous are starting to accept evolution which leads into a few errors. The first is that the simplest answer is most likely to be true, in your every day life there is no supernatural occurences therefore such a thing is very improbable. Also, evolution is imperfect, we nearly became extinct so why then would a perfect being create imperfect humans? Can God fully be perfect if he doesn't use his full potential?
MrHitchslap 1 month ago
I don't understand why we can't reconcile science and spirituality, it was created and then it evolved.
clownprince88 1 month ago
@clownprince88 Ever heard of occams razor? I mean what is the point of it being created, when you cannot assert that there is a personal God behind it? Let alone get sufficient evidence to have enough reason to believe it was created in the first place. Truth be told, God serves as a poor scientific explanation.
vatiz93 1 month ago
I'm a Creationist...and the thing I don't understand is...Why does it honestly matter if I am a Creationist...I believe every man is entitled to his own belief structure, so what give Dawkins the right to call us ignorant and foolish, I consider myself pretty educated in both fields so what I am going to do, because I am interested in what you would like to say and that is Why do you not believe in the Theory of Creationism? and why should I believe in the Theory of Evolution?
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm But you really ARE ignorant and foolish ! It means you knowingly avoid and deny evidence based science.
You're clearly NOT educated in "both fields".
You also do not understand what "theory" means.
Theory is the explanation of a phenomena, the explanation of an observation.
Evolution is observed, and the theory explains it.
Creationism can not be a theory, because it isn't observed. Creationism is merely a belief, a faith. Faith the a process of non-thinking.
a1mint 1 month ago
@a1mint The thing about criticizing someone and their beliefs whether they be of a Christian Stance or of a Evolutionistic Stance is I see that being humane in speech is the best thing to be! and yes, I know "both fields" and the word theory is "The analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another."(Yes I googled it lol) Where Exactly is Evolution Observed? Also Creationism is Observed where do you not see it?
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm Read Dawkins book "The greatest show on earth" and you will learn how and where to observe evolution! "creationism is observed where do you not see it" who's to say life has not always existed in the universe (in the form of a single cell etc") along with all the other matter then when it came in contact with the correct conditions it evolved over millions of years? Maybe the universe always existed and dosnt need a creator. Some religions believe there god has always been there.
gazamused 1 month ago
@gazamused Thats the beauty in our religions yes, I see Evolution as a Religion which people think they can make stronger by saying "Its Factual Science" just because its in a book that you where taught with in school and they called it Fact doesnt mean it is...with the word Science being defined as a study dealing with a body of facts or truths doesnt that mean that in your theories you have to assume the time is there and the fossil record and it isnt just Flood debris from a world wide flood?
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm go and watch Thunderf00t series "Why people laugh at creationists", very informative. Science works, science gave us antibiotics, vaccines, fertilisers, railways, computers, central heating and many more. What does your creationism have done so far?
Kibernautas 1 month ago
@Kibernautas I'm not sure if it's a misperception but i'm not against science, I love science I just see evolution as a religion just as mine and for it to be taught as fact is wrong. when a Fossil is shoved in my face and someone say this is millions of years old I ask whats the proof there is no date as if it was a coin and you cant prove to me that fossil had any kids...especially a kid that was different than its on kind...its never been recorded...therefore not a fact; just a belief system
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm ever heard about radiometric dating?
as for kids, that does not matters, if that particular (fossilised) animal have any. What matters, fossil record show gradual change over time in species lineage.
Kibernautas 1 month ago
@Kibernautas Radiometric dating has been known to be inaccurate...my favorite example is when they "date" one side of an animal and its say 2 million years old and the other side is 6 million years old....The radioactive isotopes they record have known to be sparatic and come in in different rates...they've even dated live humans and came in at huge amounts.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm you have no idea what you are talking about, get your facts right.
All claims about radiometric dating being inaccurate were refuted many times.
Different isotopes have different rate of decay (so called half-life), but every of them never change their rate of decay, all nuclear power stations are based on rate of decay being constant.
It was tested in all possible conditions and rate of decay stayed same up to millionth part.
Kibernautas 1 month ago
@BurtGasm and if you tell, that some animal was tested so differently, give details about scientific, peer reviewed paper which says it.
Kibernautas 1 month ago
@Kibernautas I'm no Wikipedia so sorry I have no papers on hand. If you would like to further review the Creationist stories there's the bible and the best creationist out there I would say would be Kent Hovind watch a few of his videos on YouTube he has a few sermons.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
'best creationist out there I would say would be Kent Hovind'
I agree, he's the best creationism has to offer, a phony Dr with a fake Ph.d., from a diploma mill, he taught science for 15 years (in a bible school that required no qualifications, because he has none). He's is not taken seriously by anyone other then other deluded creationists, he disseminates misinformation, half truths and out right lies.
I hes no credibility, no integrity and is currently serving time for tax fraud.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago 2
@AndyCielecki Sounds like something from someone who doesn't want to listen to him...See I listen to both sides, I have followed both evolutionist and Creationist for a long time and by you saying he can't be taken seriously is Bias...you must listen to both sides before judging...Also he has the diplomas and he did the schooling it was a non-accredited school there are plenty of doctors and scientist out there who go to schools like this...So just watch him before judgement.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Yes it's biased by the fact the guys a dishonest idiot, and actually no there aren't any credible scientist coming out of non accredited colleges like patriot bible college, this so called college is a large house where the owner lives with his family, read hovinds dissertation it's available online.
He gained his Ph'd in 6 months, did no original research and writes like an eleven year old.
Even other creationists distance themselves from hovind, which is telling in the extreme.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki As I said watch his material before you call him an idiot I have seen much of Richard Dawkins Material and many Creationists material so in my opinion you need to view both extremes (In this case I'd say Dawkins and Hovind would qualify as opposites lol) you can hear and read many things about your common man and look at him in disgust because of a review another man gave him...you need to see to believe in this case. I give both sides there time to explain themselves as should all
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
I have watched his material, almost certainly more then you have, I've also read his Ph'd dissertation and seem all his debates.
I have also read peer reviews of his work,...that's not really fair because peer reviwe suggests he was on a level with those reviewing him...he was not, his work is laughable.
He bought his degree from a diploma mill and doesn't even have a high school understanding of science.
His dissertation starts 'Hello, my name is Kent Hovind.' he's a joke.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki Well here I'll help you out and say this, it doesn't matter if he has the right degrees or not the man is not liked because of what he stands for, I'm not here to stand up for Mr. Hovind I am standing up for Creationism, because another man called it ignorant and I believe all men are entitled to view both sides and make their final thought on this...you have your religious stance on your belief as do I, that's why we are both so strongly standing on opposite sides of the road lol
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
The old evolution is a religion nonsense,
hovind is ridiculed because he is a fuckwit, he is dishonest, he perverts truth to make a fast buck , he's a tax fraudster, and an enemy of anyone who values the truth.
I'd suggest you stop watching hovinds videos and read a real science text book.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki where has he been dishonest in his speeches?
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
His claims re lucy...look it up.
Claims made re carbon dating, the information was both taken out of context and important parts omitted, he was informed of this did he correct it?.
His assertion there are no transitional forms there are hundreds.
Some of what he says makes it difficult to tell if he's purposefully lying or just plain ignorant like.
His suggestion that evolution is part of a world wide conspiracy by the NWO.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki
That dinosaurs have been found in the congo...still waiting for proof of that one.
That mutations are always harmful.
That evolution was the cause of the holocaust
That the Ark has been found on a mountain in turkey
And to to it of the little matter of tax fraud.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki Well the Congo is pretty large so whose to say something couldn't be in there...it would be illogical to say if half of it is unexplored... Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again? Hitler believed Jews and the others where less superior than what he thought was superior so he did kill them for that and that is a Darwinian thought the strongest should survive and what Hitler saw as flawed...he exposed of disgustingly.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Typical theist logic, you can't prove it isn't true, that's weak.
I't difficult to know where to start you clearly have very little education, and no understanding of what evolution actually is and the mechanisms by which it works.
>' Hitler believed Jews and the others where less superior than what he thought was superior so he did kill them for that and that is a Darwinian thought the strongest should survive '
That is incoherent meaningless drivel.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki not sure why you want to jump the conclusion that I have lesser education I have a pretty strong knowledge in both fields (No PhD lol) why do you not think I don't understand evolution which part do you think I'm quite not understanding? and why did Hitler Kill who he killed then?
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Sunday school doesn't count.
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.'
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki still stands that what Hitler did was wrong he believed in the survival of the fittest and that's why he did what he did such as the sterilization of the lessers and being the death bringer to the mentally insane and finally the rest...the excuse evolutionist come up with is he was a social Darwinism...which still brings its basis to what was taught...so think what you want, the thought was still seeded from this idea.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Go read it again, Hitlers idea's were based on blood lines, a biblical concept.
'Evolution and "survival of the fittest" are not the same thing. Evolution refers to the cumulative changes in a population or species through time.'
'The Nazis based their eugenics program on the United States' programs of forced sterilization, especially on the eugenics laws that had been enacted in California'
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki Nevertheless in the long run doesn't matter what Hitler was...we can both agree what he did was wrong to those people this doesn't help prove or disprove either of our situations just shows that either way he went he distorted a belief system and disgusted it into the death of many!
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
I think it does matter, because this twisting of the facts to present a case that evolution is in some way immoral is dishonest.
There is no evidence to support that a belief in evolution somehow leads to genocide, it's ridiculous.
And it's not like we don't know why the creationist do it, no one outside of the US creationist moment take the evolution deniers seriously, or the literal interpretation of the bible.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki Again, Hitler is not the "model" Christian, & for you to keep going on about how evil he was should tell you that he was not only perverting but distorting any of Christ's teachings.
if a soldier goes on a killing spree, using his military skills,does that mean that the soldier is a representation of all the fine military men? can you say that the soldier who killed at least 16 other soldiers in cold blood in fort hood TX is what the military is all about?
TheZimstar 3 weeks ago
@TheZimstar
This is amusing, Hitler was introduced into the argument by the theists as an example of why atheism is immoral and leads to genocide, when you inform them he wasn't an atheist he then becomes 'not the "model" Christian'.
As to your second point, not that it's even relevant but yeah your right it's totally different, it's not like the militarily believe in killing people is it?
AndyCielecki 3 weeks ago
@TheZimstar Hitler not a model Christian? He did what for centuries every good Christian prayed for: that the world was rid of the Christ killers, the Jews.
TomFynn 2 weeks ago
@BurtGasm
It's like saying creationism = cretinism because they sound the same, then again...
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm "Hitler did was wrong he believed in the survival of the fittest"
Survival of the fittest was a media term and does NOT apply to evolution, again you HAVE to be lacking an education in evolution to say this.
Also, Hitler believed he could strenghten humanity by 'purifying' race, IE making it less diverse. Evolution proves that the EXACT opposite is true IE that diversity strengthens a species.
QED.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm
Are you suggesting that before Darwin no one understood that killing all the Jews would wipe out their 'race'? Are you claiming that no one knew that Jews give birth to Jews and 'blacks' give birth to 'blacks'?
If not, then you concede.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm "why do you not think I don't understand evolution"
you just said, and i quote "Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again?"
Only someone uneducated in the very basics of the subject could make such a statement, it's akin to claiming to know car mechanics and then saying that combustion engines are not proven to work!
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Darwin never stated 'survival of the fittest' you ignoramus' that was Herbert Spencer, nothing to do with Darwinian evolution if such a thing exists.
Your thinking of eugenics,
I can only conclude English your second language, or your smoking crack.
it's clear you have no information but hovindian bullshit, get an education.
I won't waste anymore time on a mental deficient like yourself.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki Oh forgive me I left a man out...Both Herbert Spencer and Charles Darwin used this term at around the same time so I thought perhaps you may not know who the man was so I used the most well known in the science field. so yeah you can rebuttle your insult if you wish to if not I don't care you can be a stubborn Evolutionist if you wish
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Yes of course you did.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm
No, he said they had been found there when that is untrue.
"Mutations are harmful this aint X-men sadly lol and how would mutation help prove your theory again?"
Mutations are not always harmful, in fact most of them are inert. There are differences between all children and their parents thqat are caused by mutation, these mutations are for the most part harmless.
QED.
It helps to know a subject before making statements regarding that subject like the above.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki he said it might be in turkey..no one knows where it is..if its still together, they may have used it to build a house. and with Tax fraud I agree that was the wrong thing to do...well at least the way he did it...he believed that for him to pay taxes for public schools to fund the teaching of evolution he wasn't going to be a part of it...and that was pretty careless but as I said I'm here to defend a belief not a man which all men have flaws.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
A 450 foot long boat...we can't make one of those today, wood isn't able to withstand the forces involved.
Your arguing he did it on a point of principle because he didn't want to fund the teaching of evolution, nonsense,
For hovinds case to stand it has to refute not just evolution but astrophysics, geology, genetics, plate tectonics, physics etc
They all have to be wrong for hovind to be right.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki The Cubit what they used to give the dimensions and that was the length of a man's arm from fingertips to elbow so its not known how long the arc was its an estimation and so? what if it was 450...just because not many have been built you assume it couldn't be built that's illogical? and if built right sure it would it wasn't no hurricane it was rain from above and the fountains of the deep opening. as always I am standing up for Creationist...not Hovind he took a stand...and fell.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Hovind agrees it's around 450'
The biggest wooden ship ever built was the Wyoming it was 449 long and needed reinforcing with iron cross-bracings to stop it warping (they didn't)and needed to run bilge pumps continually to stop it sinking, that was the height of wooded ship tech, it could carry 6,000 long of coal.
Noah didn't have steel/iron nails power tools, electric pumps, bitumen, the dino babies alone would take them over weight.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki
When it rains the condensation releases latent heat, it was calculated that the amount of rain needed to cover the earth it would have raised the earths tempreture to 10,000 degrees.
Hovend has said in his videos that you can cover the world with one drop of water, if you spread it thin enough, do you belive this?
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki that top part...Bull Crap...bottom part...no never heard that said but even if he did i don't believe it...the mans a man with a theory..I never said hes the infallible word of God haha
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
Bullcrap,no, phsics yes.
Hovid was not only wrong about 1 drop of water covering the earth but it's been calculated that it would need 150,000 tons of water to cover it in a 1 molecular thick layer...that;s an error factor of a trillion
But it's as accurate as everything else he says.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
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@AndyCielecki
Actually you could do it, but it would no longer be water so he is totally incorrect.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@BurtGasm The criminal also known as Kent Hovind is a joke, not a source of information.
SuperBspb 4 weeks ago
@AndyCielecki Its a theory as he has said no one knows other than the man with the cubit on both sides of his rib-cage and the people who helped him build it. the man and the family had time to build this and build it correct...just because it sounds impossible doesn't automatically make it impossible...Look at Howard Hughes "Spruce Goose" they said that was impossible and it would never fly...it flew. In the time they had I believe they had the time and built it right.
BurtGasm 1 month ago
@BurtGasm
The Hughes Hercules is irrelevant and not comparable, they had the infrastructure and resources to build it and an experienced designer and engineering experience accumulated since the industrial revolution,
Noah probably had a stone hammer, and a task that would have challenged Brunnel..
Feeding the animals, sanitation, exercise, maintenance suitable environments for all 16000 them, you think that's plausible?.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
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@AndyCielecki "and a task that would have challenged Brunnel.."
Actually, it is an impossible task unless the 'Ark' is a planet with the exact ecosystem as Earth's. A flood of that scale would kill whales and most other sea creatures. You only ever need that fact to destroy this idiotic idea.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@BurtGasm Sure you can argue that just because it sounds impossible doesn't mean it is......but the problem is that we know and understand wood very well. We understand what kind of stress it can take, how long planks can be made, pressure points on the ship, etc. The math is simply not holding up on the materials, nevermind the animals. Its akin to saying he built a 10 mile tower out of wood, when we know that it would not only collapse, but would get blown over by the wind.
Shyhalu 1 month ago
@AndyCielecki
The assertion that abiogenesis is part of the theory of evolution, if he's really that ignorant of what evolution is he shouldn't be speaking about it.
AndyCielecki 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm
They are entitled to have their view, as are NAMBLA members and people who believe the Mayans predicted the end of the world, but that does not change the fact that they are completely wrong.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@BurtGasm I have watched many of "Dr." Hovind videos, know his arguments pretty well and can responsibly call him an idiot .
My favourite is when Hovind claims that pieces of fossilised dinosaur bone were carbon dated to very different dates. WTF? Carbon dated? There are no carbon in fossils, carbon is replaced with other elements, now it is essentially stone.
He have no clues what is fossilisation and how it works...
Hovind is either ignorant idiot, or worse, liar and hypocrite.
Kibernautas 1 month ago
@Kibernautas Let's further refer to Hovind as prisoner 06452-017. 06452-017 has to know, at some level, that he is being dishonest. His little shit of a son certainly does - you can see it in his eyes. I'm sure Eric wagered that the money beats out having a conscious.
Arcexey 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm "Sounds like something from someone who doesn't want to listen to him"
I have listened to as much as i could stand of him, seriously only the very poorly educated could ever take more then 15 minutes of his ramblings before the humor wears off!
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm
Jailbird Kent Hovind, who's ramblings are laughable misrepresentations of science that even a school kid can refute easily? That Kent Hovind?
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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@BurtGasm "Radiometric dating has been known to be inaccurate"
No it hasn't, you believe what you read on idiotic websites. There are many forms of radiometric dating and they all have error margins, yet they all agree to a great degree of accuracy.
They also tally with other dating methods without exception.
"radioactive isotopes they record have known to be sparatic and come in in different rates"
That is nonsense, it depends of what you are dating, IE i could eat a fossil.
seansalvador1 1 month ago