I'm a hockey fan from the US and I hope and pray that NHL hockey returns to Winnipeg and Quebec City as well as starts up in Hamilton but as of 2010, 53.9% of NHL players(the majority) were Canadian and there has always been more US team then Canadian teams in the league even going back to the original 6 so what's the problem? And, I am also one of those who feel Gary Bettman should be tossed out on his butt as commissioner.
Fuck Bettman. How well is his Southern Strategy working in Phoenix, Atlanta, Florida, Carolina, and Columbus? I'm American and I wish I could just give you people back your franchises in Winnipeg and Quebec. It's embarrassing.
"If there aren't enough fans in a market to support a team, then that market isn't gonna have a team."
This exposes Betty for the lying scum that he is... if that quote was in the LEAST bit true, then at least 5 american teams would be in Canada right now, and the Nords, Jets and Whalers would still be around.
Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford (and even Minneapolis..their first team, the North Stars) should've never have lost their teams....all you have to do is look at the old video.......you see a full building, with passionate fans...not just for their teams, but for the sport. You don't have that in these "might be" markets - Phoenix, Raleigh, Atlanta, Columbus, Denver, Nashville...
"Commisioner Gary Bettman, a man some say is leading the game southward."
In EVERY sense of that last word!
You have these old diehard fans STILL clamoring for their Jets and Nordiques and wanting the Battle of Quebec back and the TRUE White Out to return, in Hartford you miss Brass Bonanza, the Whale...
Tell me--who REALLY thinks of something that memorable when they think "Atlanta Thrashers?" "Phoenix Coyotes?" Nashville Predators?" "Florida Pathers?"
The Jets are coming back but you can't blame Bettman for allowing the team to move. The arena was too old, the market was too small and there was no one willing to purchase the team who would keep the team in Winnipeg.
What was he supposed to do? I agree that Phoenix was a dumb shit idea but now that Winnipeg has the brand new MTS Center and TNSE who wants to purchase and run the team with a billionaire backing it, the stage is set.
GB has voiced his support for 'Peg and it will happen.
@FAITHandLOGIC The Boston Red Sox have a stadium with just as small a capacity if not smaller than the Winnipeg stadium, and both that park and Chicago's Wrigley Field are as old as they come. But no one dares suggest that Feway Park, opening a month after the Titanic sank and is nearly a century old, isn't big enough or needs to go, and the same with the Cubs' Wrigley Field. Green Bay is a small towm, but no one dares take away the treasured Green Bay Packers. Bettman IS at fault here...
America takes everything dude. im american, but i mean, even stupid shit, like food. nothings ever 100% authentic. i love it here...dont take it the wrong way. but, hockey is canadas game. and america's "dream" basically says take what you want and do what you want/need to, to get as much money. but, w\e. obviously theres nothin i can do
Ducks fan... an expansion franchise that actually made SENSE (metro area, and La/Anaheim always has two teams so they can be rivals) and I WANT THE JETS!
It's just BORING watching my Ducks play the Phoenix Phonies in half-empty arenas and all... same with the Florida Panthers, and Nashville Predators...
Take the Coyotes and make them the Jets again, the team's bankrupt and unloved anyway- give them a loving home.
The United States teams run the NHL, as they out vote the Canadian teams by a large margin! I get a kick out of the CBC calling it "our game" which is a joke! The head offices are in New York, might as well move the Hall of Shame there too!
@vexacon, its also funny how half of the NHL teams down South like Pheonix and Florida barely got any people going to there games and until Wayne Gretzky (a Canadian player) was traded to L.A finally they actually got a half attendence number. And besides it was Garry bettman's decision not the people of the USA. Oh and if you still think hockey is a joke in canada Look at the world juniors buddy, Canada won 5 straight gold medals. get your facts straight before you comment next time dumbass.
@vexacon the magority of players in the NHL R CANADIAN and it is our sport when have u guys won gold.......NEVER the states could take all our teams then we would have a CHL i dosent matter
I'm an Anaheim Ducks fan, came to liking hockey around 1996 or so...
And even I KNOW the Winnipeg Jets deserve existence FAR MORE than the Phoenix Phonies...
And Florida's not a hockey area- they need TWO??? Tampa Bay won a Cup, so keep them, but the Panthers are a joke, always bad and never supported...
Take the Phoenix Phonies and make them the Jets again, and take the Panthers and make them either the Hartford Whalers or another Canada team... say, Quebec?
the 72 series would not have been "close" if bobby orr was healthy and bobby hull was in the nhl, with those 2 in the lineup we would've won 5-2-1 probly, instead of 4-3-1
Here's the problem with the documentary that I can analyze and it's this: how many major cities does Canada have compared to the US? The thing that I notice is that Canada can only support as many hockey teams so long as the city and it's population is there to support it. I'm not trying to take sides here and I hated Bettman for moving Winnipeg and QC down south but even if QC and Winnipeg still had hockey markets, the US still outnumbers Canada by a wide margin in terms of urbanization.
Ofcourse that is true however; Winnipeg and Quebec are Major Canadian cities and have & can again easily support the NHL. Gary Bettman may see a population of 2 Million Plus in Phoenix or Miami being a better market that Winnipeg at 750,000 however; he's wrong. Phoenix and Miami, etc. might be "hockey Markets" according to his way of thinking but, Winnipeg and Quebec are Hockey Towns! Bettman put teams in great NBA Markets, NOT NHL markets. ( He Should have stayed with NBA )
phoenix isnt working, winnipeg was better, since phoenix is going bankrupt those who are in this need this drilled into their head: "WINNIPEG JETS"!!!!!
So if the game is just about rating, numbers & big
profit to appease American greed, you'd be right.
However, the game is not about that, it's about Canada's family, Canada's culture, Canada talent, Canada's patriotism, Canada's unity, Canada's togetherness, Canada's engenuity & Canada's acheivments & Canada's existence. The CFL
survives & does well without American big money.
American big money has perveted the virtue & goodness of the game. Hockey belongs to Canada,
From Minnesota: It is a travesty that a great town like Winnipeg no longer has an NHL franchise, the franchises in the American Sunbelt Cities are a joke, the "fans" there do not understand the game AT ALL, they do not understand superb play even if it doesn't result in a goal, they want to see 'fights' and no nothing of The Code, it's shameful our beautiful sport is so misunderstood and in the hands off worthless owners.
Based on the description by the person who posted the video it seems like it's not just Gary Bettman's fault that the Jets went south. Yet we all put the blame on Bettman for the Jest going down? There was the mayor of winnipeg and I think the video poster is right maybe the Jets left cause of the mayor, not Gary Bettman.
It really was a combination of many factors however; had Bettman worked as hard to Keep the Jets in Winnipeg as he has by keeping the Pens in Pittsburgh, the Preds in Nashville, The Coyotes in the Desert, the Hurricanes in Carolina, The Panthers in Miami, The Lightning in Tampa,etc.......the Winnipeg Jets would STILL be in Winnipeg.
So, although 100% of blame doesn't go to Bettman, while we were trying to save our team, he was finding suitors to buy it!
I would difinately agree with Dallas. And I would challenge any Canadian fan support to that of the San Jose Sharks. That city loves their team so much. I would like to see them in the finals this year. Anaheim and Tampa however... well i just dont see it. Bandwagon cities.
So how much sense does it make to have cities in the southern states where absolutely no one cares about the NHL? They all have shiny new buildings... and they look emptier and emptier every time I see highlights...Tampa Bay, Nashville, Attlanta, Florida, Carolina, and the best part...Phoenix. Did this work? No.Hockey players are our heroes in Winnipeg. Our town has a new building, but there is a huge difference in NHL and AHL.The History, the finest players in the world and of course the cup.
I am an American who loves no other sport as much as I love hockey. I live in NYC, hockey is dead here, baseball and football reign supreme. I was the ONLY guy besides maybe one or two other people even watching the Stanley Cup finals at a local bar. I simply love the game, but in a country that doesn't give to shits about it, it pisses me off that the U.S. can't seem to leave well enough alone.
I wish the Jets and Nords were still around, their fans were VERY loyal and loved the game.
That was reaily interesting. I can`t believe the jets left winnipeg to play in phoenix arizona. I mean hockey in the desert, what a joke. The coyotes get crap attendences, despite a new building. Winnipeg should be top of the list for getting a team back, no fans deserve it more than they do. That city bleeds the sport
greed? lol, its a f'ing business
MrPatrickbryan 3 months ago
HOCKEY COMING BACK TO WINNIPEG!!! they might be the falcons, jets, manitoba moose, or the whiteout. i wonder what their name will be
JustTravisAndKyle 7 months ago
GARY BETTMAN IS A CARPETBAGGER THROUGH AND THROUGH!!!!"
Pookatube 8 months ago
I'm a hockey fan from the US and I hope and pray that NHL hockey returns to Winnipeg and Quebec City as well as starts up in Hamilton but as of 2010, 53.9% of NHL players(the majority) were Canadian and there has always been more US team then Canadian teams in the league even going back to the original 6 so what's the problem? And, I am also one of those who feel Gary Bettman should be tossed out on his butt as commissioner.
FrightNight7387 8 months ago
I like the Jets, but if they move the Coyotes out of Phoenix..where will I go to watch hockey on the cheap on vacation? lol
martman104 9 months ago
Fuck Bettman. How well is his Southern Strategy working in Phoenix, Atlanta, Florida, Carolina, and Columbus? I'm American and I wish I could just give you people back your franchises in Winnipeg and Quebec. It's embarrassing.
bull829 9 months ago
Amazing special effects at 1:57
bearwarlock 1 year ago
"If there aren't enough fans in a market to support a team, then that market isn't gonna have a team."
This exposes Betty for the lying scum that he is... if that quote was in the LEAST bit true, then at least 5 american teams would be in Canada right now, and the Nords, Jets and Whalers would still be around.
disclaimer175 1 year ago
ITS OUR GAME I MEAN CROSBY,STAMKOS,PRICE,LUONGO,FLEURY.
KingOfTheIce71 1 year ago
Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford (and even Minneapolis..their first team, the North Stars) should've never have lost their teams....all you have to do is look at the old video.......you see a full building, with passionate fans...not just for their teams, but for the sport. You don't have that in these "might be" markets - Phoenix, Raleigh, Atlanta, Columbus, Denver, Nashville...
ECWnWWF 1 year ago
"Commisioner Gary Bettman, a man some say is leading the game southward."
In EVERY sense of that last word!
You have these old diehard fans STILL clamoring for their Jets and Nordiques and wanting the Battle of Quebec back and the TRUE White Out to return, in Hartford you miss Brass Bonanza, the Whale...
Tell me--who REALLY thinks of something that memorable when they think "Atlanta Thrashers?" "Phoenix Coyotes?" Nashville Predators?" "Florida Pathers?"
Go Ducks, and Bring 'em Back!
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
The Jets are coming back but you can't blame Bettman for allowing the team to move. The arena was too old, the market was too small and there was no one willing to purchase the team who would keep the team in Winnipeg.
What was he supposed to do? I agree that Phoenix was a dumb shit idea but now that Winnipeg has the brand new MTS Center and TNSE who wants to purchase and run the team with a billionaire backing it, the stage is set.
GB has voiced his support for 'Peg and it will happen.
FAITHandLOGIC 1 year ago
@FAITHandLOGIC The Boston Red Sox have a stadium with just as small a capacity if not smaller than the Winnipeg stadium, and both that park and Chicago's Wrigley Field are as old as they come. But no one dares suggest that Feway Park, opening a month after the Titanic sank and is nearly a century old, isn't big enough or needs to go, and the same with the Cubs' Wrigley Field. Green Bay is a small towm, but no one dares take away the treasured Green Bay Packers. Bettman IS at fault here...
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
America takes everything dude. im american, but i mean, even stupid shit, like food. nothings ever 100% authentic. i love it here...dont take it the wrong way. but, hockey is canadas game. and america's "dream" basically says take what you want and do what you want/need to, to get as much money. but, w\e. obviously theres nothin i can do
tmjm323 1 year ago
Ducks fan... an expansion franchise that actually made SENSE (metro area, and La/Anaheim always has two teams so they can be rivals) and I WANT THE JETS!
It's just BORING watching my Ducks play the Phoenix Phonies in half-empty arenas and all... same with the Florida Panthers, and Nashville Predators...
Take the Coyotes and make them the Jets again, the team's bankrupt and unloved anyway- give them a loving home.
Take the Panthers and bring the Whalers back.
And use NSH for Quebec's team
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago 4
The United States teams run the NHL, as they out vote the Canadian teams by a large margin! I get a kick out of the CBC calling it "our game" which is a joke! The head offices are in New York, might as well move the Hall of Shame there too!
vexacon 2 years ago
@vexacon, its also funny how half of the NHL teams down South like Pheonix and Florida barely got any people going to there games and until Wayne Gretzky (a Canadian player) was traded to L.A finally they actually got a half attendence number. And besides it was Garry bettman's decision not the people of the USA. Oh and if you still think hockey is a joke in canada Look at the world juniors buddy, Canada won 5 straight gold medals. get your facts straight before you comment next time dumbass.
hockeydangler9 2 years ago
@vexacon the magority of players in the NHL R CANADIAN and it is our sport when have u guys won gold.......NEVER the states could take all our teams then we would have a CHL i dosent matter
swuzz17 1 year ago
I'm an Anaheim Ducks fan, came to liking hockey around 1996 or so...
And even I KNOW the Winnipeg Jets deserve existence FAR MORE than the Phoenix Phonies...
And Florida's not a hockey area- they need TWO??? Tampa Bay won a Cup, so keep them, but the Panthers are a joke, always bad and never supported...
Take the Phoenix Phonies and make them the Jets again, and take the Panthers and make them either the Hartford Whalers or another Canada team... say, Quebec?
GO DUCKS! :)
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
Fuck Bettman JETS FOREVER!!!
WorshipDarkLotus 2 years ago 6
the 72 series would not have been "close" if bobby orr was healthy and bobby hull was in the nhl, with those 2 in the lineup we would've won 5-2-1 probly, instead of 4-3-1
ACParker13 2 years ago 3
Gary Bettman doesn't need anyone to make jokes about him, he is a perfect caricature of himself. I laugh everytime I hear him speak.
hacienda1 2 years ago 13
bring back the jets!
where was this doc made?
KangaKucha 2 years ago 8
The documentary was made by TSN as part of a Dave Hodge series of videos looking at Hockey in Canada.
Bring'em Back!
JHendrix70 2 years ago
im for that
slimv29 2 years ago
Here's the problem with the documentary that I can analyze and it's this: how many major cities does Canada have compared to the US? The thing that I notice is that Canada can only support as many hockey teams so long as the city and it's population is there to support it. I'm not trying to take sides here and I hated Bettman for moving Winnipeg and QC down south but even if QC and Winnipeg still had hockey markets, the US still outnumbers Canada by a wide margin in terms of urbanization.
Roochfan20 2 years ago
Ofcourse that is true however; Winnipeg and Quebec are Major Canadian cities and have & can again easily support the NHL. Gary Bettman may see a population of 2 Million Plus in Phoenix or Miami being a better market that Winnipeg at 750,000 however; he's wrong. Phoenix and Miami, etc. might be "hockey Markets" according to his way of thinking but, Winnipeg and Quebec are Hockey Towns! Bettman put teams in great NBA Markets, NOT NHL markets. ( He Should have stayed with NBA )
Bring'Em Back!
JHendrix70 2 years ago
phoenix isnt working, winnipeg was better, since phoenix is going bankrupt those who are in this need this drilled into their head: "WINNIPEG JETS"!!!!!
slimv29 2 years ago 5
Couldnt agree more, Bettman was drinking hairspray when he saw a hockey market in places like Pheonix, Miami etc
The jets should have never left, but i guess that fit with Bettmans agenda...fuckin prick...
stv420 2 years ago 3
Bettman would bend over backward for a Southern US oil mogul!
I propose we Canadians band together & start the Hockey Stick Slub... it's mission & purpose:
TO SUPER GLUE JETS HOCKEY PUCKS TO HIS LIMOUSINE EVERY WEEKEND & HOLIDAY UNTIL WE GET OUR WINNIPEG JETS BACK & GRAFFITI HIS OFFICE BUILDING TOO!
protectorian 2 years ago 3
So if the game is just about rating, numbers & big
profit to appease American greed, you'd be right.
However, the game is not about that, it's about Canada's family, Canada's culture, Canada talent, Canada's patriotism, Canada's unity, Canada's togetherness, Canada's engenuity & Canada's acheivments & Canada's existence. The CFL
survives & does well without American big money.
American big money has perveted the virtue & goodness of the game. Hockey belongs to Canada,
the game is ours & the $'s
protectorian 2 years ago
From Minnesota: It is a travesty that a great town like Winnipeg no longer has an NHL franchise, the franchises in the American Sunbelt Cities are a joke, the "fans" there do not understand the game AT ALL, they do not understand superb play even if it doesn't result in a goal, they want to see 'fights' and no nothing of The Code, it's shameful our beautiful sport is so misunderstood and in the hands off worthless owners.
mapgoon 2 years ago 4
This is purely my opinion,
Based on the description by the person who posted the video it seems like it's not just Gary Bettman's fault that the Jets went south. Yet we all put the blame on Bettman for the Jest going down? There was the mayor of winnipeg and I think the video poster is right maybe the Jets left cause of the mayor, not Gary Bettman.
crushblade 3 years ago
It really was a combination of many factors however; had Bettman worked as hard to Keep the Jets in Winnipeg as he has by keeping the Pens in Pittsburgh, the Preds in Nashville, The Coyotes in the Desert, the Hurricanes in Carolina, The Panthers in Miami, The Lightning in Tampa,etc.......the Winnipeg Jets would STILL be in Winnipeg.
So, although 100% of blame doesn't go to Bettman, while we were trying to save our team, he was finding suitors to buy it!
Bring'Em Back!
JHendrix70 3 years ago
I would difinately agree with Dallas. And I would challenge any Canadian fan support to that of the San Jose Sharks. That city loves their team so much. I would like to see them in the finals this year. Anaheim and Tampa however... well i just dont see it. Bandwagon cities.
CromwellDamuuga 3 years ago
So how much sense does it make to have cities in the southern states where absolutely no one cares about the NHL? They all have shiny new buildings... and they look emptier and emptier every time I see highlights...Tampa Bay, Nashville, Attlanta, Florida, Carolina, and the best part...Phoenix. Did this work? No.Hockey players are our heroes in Winnipeg. Our town has a new building, but there is a huge difference in NHL and AHL.The History, the finest players in the world and of course the cup.
CromwellDamuuga 3 years ago 2
minessota is practicly a Canadian city with the amount of fan support and passion.
NBertuzzi 3 years ago
I am an American who loves no other sport as much as I love hockey. I live in NYC, hockey is dead here, baseball and football reign supreme. I was the ONLY guy besides maybe one or two other people even watching the Stanley Cup finals at a local bar. I simply love the game, but in a country that doesn't give to shits about it, it pisses me off that the U.S. can't seem to leave well enough alone.
I wish the Jets and Nords were still around, their fans were VERY loyal and loved the game.
ChetCampbell72 3 years ago
That was reaily interesting. I can`t believe the jets left winnipeg to play in phoenix arizona. I mean hockey in the desert, what a joke. The coyotes get crap attendences, despite a new building. Winnipeg should be top of the list for getting a team back, no fans deserve it more than they do. That city bleeds the sport
azstong 3 years ago 4
Bring'em Back!
JHendrix70 3 years ago