Cancer Treatment NOT CURE : (Vitamin B17 Dieting / Laetrile) : Using Apple and Apricot Seeds

[Trollek1984]

Now he will die in prison because he will never be able to take those seeds. Remember people. witaminum B-17 is harmless, as every vitamin you should not take too much of it. And it really works. Nobody died if ate apples with seeds. It's all about the money for big corporations.

[OpenRain1]

NO, CURE.

[gpapa1998]

Where did he find the apricot seeds if they are illegal to sell?

[howtogetaboyfriend]

@gpapa1998 ....CANADA!

[sn1pe352]

"Metastasis accounts for most of cancer's lethality," said Sherwood, who is an assistant professor of biology at Duke. "It's the most essential step in cancer progression, but it's the least understood."

[valacia1991]

im hungry for apples now

[mrboppman1]

fuck conventiona medicine and chemo big money bastards !!

[YourUTubeMonitor]

How could several thousand dollars earned by a sick child's lemonade stand make a difference in the pharmaceutical cartel's bogus multi-trillion dollar "war" on the chronic metabolic disease known as cancer?

[joikee]

check out the documentary " Dying To Have Known" on Google videos.. its the entire video there 80 some minutes long, you can find it on Youtube but is segmented into 8 or 10 short videos

[joikee]

The best thing a person could do to help them beat their cancer is to go on a plant based therapy like the Gerson Therapy along with multiple daily coffee enimas, this therapy detoxifies cells throughout the body and helps your body regain its natural defence system.. this alone would be any bodies best bet to fighting cancer.. It would seem  adding B17 after a few months of the Gerson Therapy (or others like it) would be a good idea..

[danmarino1970]

American medicine = for profit death sentence.

What's ironic is that all medical professionals have to take a Hippocratic oathe before they can start practicing medicine...

"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine thy food" - Hippocrates (Father of modern medicine) .. but in the American system.. there's no money to be made from "TRUE" medicine.. "NATURAL" medicine.. "REAL" medicine.

[super16g123]

its a shame he is looking at 20 years now for trying to help people.

[ThatKidNamedKyle]

I've ate apple seeds my whole life and never once have i died. it makes sense that the cyanide would be capture in the tumor and then broken down inside the tumor. then expelled in the urine.

[TruthFan]

Just got my raw apricot kernals, YAY!

[YaOkRight]

There is nothing dangerous about these seeds, GOD has instructed us to eat these seeds in the Bible as he created all matter and he knows the truth.There are FAR worse dangers like flouride in toothpaste, aspartame natural sweetners and sacharin which has been proven to cause cancer in lab rats.Yet the masonic factories pump this garbage out by the tractor trailer truck daily and the FDA doesnt say a thing.Who controls the FDA? The US govt, the ones with 50 pentagrams on their flag. THINK

[Gavinwr75]

@YaOkRight the people who like to take public money and put it in their back pockets

[holisticprincesskim]

@wowsdrawkcab Are you some sort of ignorant fool? Have you done any research on this subject at all? You should wake up and realize that cancer, sickness in general is big business. Stay ignorant, and you too will eventually be one of the unfortunate people who get sick or die because they chose to stay blinded.

[majatelegravciska]

Hmmm...strange, as a kid a used to eat the whole apple with the seeds...all the time....could it be that I am writing from beyond this world now?? should i be dead?? :/ Its nonsense saying that APPLE SEEDS!!! are more destructive than chemo!! It Might help yes, but kill you?? But what do I know, from what I can tell, all of you guys are doctors here...im just a mortal ;)....and again APPLE SEEDS-deadly!? =)))

[procommenter]

Two more rich sources of Vitamin B17 are the simple cereal millet and buckwheat. Macadamia nuts, although expensive and exotic, are very rich in Vitamin B17 and so are bamboo shoots, mung beans, lima beans, butter beans and certain strains of garden peas. But for convenience, the simple source for your Vitamin B17 are the seeds of the common fruit.

[yvonne2dworl11]

please post me Chris...thanks

[TransUnicorn]

The substance Amygdalin (rich in hydrogen cyanide) is found in the seeds & kernels of apples, pumpkins, pears, plums, apricots, peaches as well as in bamboo, beet-tops, millet, bitter almonds & salmon berries. Amygdalin (a.k.a. vitamin B17, and known as Laetrile when derived fr. apricot kernels) is the preventative, treatment & cure for the chronic metabolic disease: CANCER.

[yvonne2dworl11]

@TransUnicorn I live in Jamaica and get apricot seeds here..can u give me some information as to how i can source these apricot seeds. ..or can pumpkin, peaches r beet-tops that is available here be just as effective?...if so do u kno the dosage for these?

[TransUnicorn]

@yvonne2dworl11 : There's no known toxicity for Amygdalin (the substance that contains hydrocyanic acid & benzaldahyde) that naturally appears in seeds, long-leaf grasses & so forth.

[TransUnicorn]

Foods rich in vitamin B17 are: Apple seeds, apricot kernels bamboo shoots, barley, beet tops, bitter almond, blackberries, boysenberries, brewers yeast, brown rice, buckwheat, cashews, cherry kernels, cranberries, eucalyptus leaves, currants, fava beans, flax seeds, garbanzo beans, gooseberries, huckleberries, lentils, lima beans, linseed meat, loganberries, macadamia nuts, millet, millet seed, peach kernels, pecans, plum kernels, quince, raspberries, sorghum cane syrup, spinach and sprouts.

[daazerqueen]

@TransUnicorn True!

[corruptiongovernment]

The real reason they won't find a cure is because it's not profitable. They have to exploit these diseases to get people to test new dangerous and toxic chemicals, and their results. Since they're already dying, who cares if the government/health care fraud system poison them, right?

[Bunkysmom65]

@corruptiongovernment You are absolutely correct!  B17 is also known as Laetrile. It's banned in the US and in Canada, and has been for some time. Why? Because it has the ability to kill cancer, and can be obtained cheaply, easily, and without a doctor. They've known for years that it's one of few treatments that have positive results, so it had to be eliminated for the sake of profit. Chemo is rampant & has just a 2% success rate on 3 cancer types. For most it's useless and harmful.

[Bekka077]

To the idiot that says apricot seeds cost $5,000.00, take your false information bullshit somewhere else. You can buy them online or possibly in a rare foods store for about $7-10 per pound.....which is about 750-800 seeds.

[dmgcat]

@Bekka077 Dried seeds are worthless.

[sn1pe352]

If you or someone you know has cancer or HIV-AIDS or ANY RNA-DNA viral infection please contact me/msg me or reply to this comment and I will give you my other profile and various information on the specific curative options for that particular specified carcinoma...and trust me I have information that will definitely be of great value to you or your loved ones

Nicholas Ellis

[kilikadork]

@sn1pe352 could you send me some info or your links? I am convinced but I have family members and friends who laugh at the idea, i need some more proof.

[chriswager]

@sn1pe352 please give me your other profile cheers chris

[chriswager]

@sn1pe352 please post me cheers chris

[yvonne2dworl11]

@sn1pe352 please post me thanks

[yvonne2dworl11]

@sn1pe352 Can u please post me with this information

[apachejunction1]

@sn1pe352 I have cancer and would be very interested in your advice/help breast cancer that with mets 10+ centimeter any help appreciated . Thank You

[Dasmaster1]

@sn1pe352 ... idiot

[Gavinwr75]

@sn1pe352 hi there do u have anything that will help post herpetic neuropathy?

[athletichunta]

@sn1pe352 Ozone therapy cures aids

[wowsdrawkcab]

Ok these seeds are more destructive for the dose then chemotherapy and have less positive results. So... if you want a cheap devastating version of chemo EAT THESE SEEDS. You will be saving the health care system money when you die. Thank you. If you know better... shame on you for being informed. Please excuse the morbidity but this kind of thing makes me sick.

[warriorprince1010]

@wowsdrawkcab Nonsense. Apricot seeds are perfectly good. Brazil nuts fruit and apricot seeds will cure any cancer in a few weeks.

[wowsdrawkcab]

I am not saying this "vitamin" won't kill cancer cells but it has never been shown in any verifiable study to work better than traditional chemotherapy. Most studies I have read claim that it has no measurable benefits regardless of a toxic dose.

If you ever get cancer will you really just eat some apricot seeds?... not to mention the criminals selling them typically charge 2-5 thousand dollars. It is a scheme that makes money killing people. Why do seeds cost $5K?

[sn1pe352]

@wowsdrawkcab shame on you for pretentious bullshit, i love how you pretend you know what you're talking about but in reality have little to no knowledge behind the science of this particular treatment, in reality its a widely known and used treatment and has success in many countries including alternative facilities in the US and Canada, the day you get a life threatening ailment you be sure to follow standard medical protocols and downplay real medicine, ill see you in hell

[wowsdrawkcab]

@sn1pe352 Show me an peer review article showing this works or you are describing yourself pretty well in your previous comment. Correlation isn't causation.

[Dasmaster1]

@sn1pe352 Shame on you for getting tricked by propaganda... B17 is not a vitamin and it releases a toxic called cyanide (you should know it) and its bad... very very bad...

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You can get the same effect by taking a cyanide pill and pray to god since thats basically what you do

[daazerqueen]

@Dasmaster1 how do you know?

[Dasmaster1]

@daazerqueen Oh why in the world do you even think they promote it in the first place? B17 contains Cyanide in an "inactive" form and gets transported to cells where B17 gets "burnt" and leaves active Cyanide in the cell that kills it.. The idea is that cancer also dies.. hurray! (except it dosent work that way)...

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I could give you the molecule structure if you still doubt me. Also B-17 is openly mocked as "quackery" by people who knows there medical books...

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 Cyanide (if there is any left over) gets used up and expunged by the body within 4-5 hrs if taken in moderate doses,which is the whole idea behind this treatment. And if you are smart enough to know the molecular structure of cyanide,you should also know the molecular structure of what gets used and left behind,and I would hope know how to spell properly,which you don't.

[Dasmaster1]

@shooze5

Name:

[(6-O-β-D-glucopyranosyl-β-D-g­lucopyranosyl)oxy](phenyl)acet­onitrile

simplified molecular input:

O[C@@H]3[C@@H](O)[C@H](O)[C@@H­](CO)O[C@H]3OC[C@H]2O[C@@H](OC­(C#N)c1ccccc1)[C@H](O)[C@@H](O­)[C@@H]2O

Gives off this when broken down:

formonitrile

C#N

Which so happens to be a potent toxin and this was discovered way before any cancer cures were invented so how do you explain this? A coverup that knew the future?

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 Cyanide will only attack malignant cells,it leaves healthy cells alone if taken in the right doses. And the ones promoting this have less money to lose than the ones shutting it down! Give your head a shake! And while you're at it, I would love to see your molecular structure of B-17,and also the ensuing structure of what gets used and left over on a cellular level,since you're so smart. But please use spell check in your response! I abhor idiots!

[Dasmaster1]

@shooze5 Oh ya i forgot to mention that Zyclon B the natzis used to gass Jews in extermination camps was made up out of formonitrile (the toxin thats left when diguesting b-17) amongst other things... just useful facts

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 *Zyklon,*Nazis,*gas,*digesting­...just correct spelling

[Dasmaster1]

@shooze5 thanks.. but i will never learn... you could say its not in my interest to even bother however i do apologise for any inconvenience it may have caused you...

[Dasmaster1]

@sn1pe352 I live in one of those supposed countries and your talking out of your ass my dead "friend"... The reason behind this is simple.. doctors tries to save life's not kill. If you want B17 from a hospital go to Mexico or something because you cant get it from modern countries.

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There are also alternative facilities for thought healing if you want to try that out but its gonna cost you... its very very exclusive :P for everyone else there is normal hospitals that seams to work

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 it 's actually spelled "seems" and just so you know? it sure as fuck doesn't work! why the hell do you think there are so many deaths from cancer every year??? open your mind!

[daazerqueen]

i eat them ever chance i can.never felt better! God bless...

[wowsdrawkcab]

@daazerqueen Do you know how this chemical supposedly works? In small doses it is like any other toxin that the body can break down. At these levels it can't hope to rid the body of cancer HIV etc. When the does gets extreme, the body is unable to metabolize the toxin, which kills everything. This is just like chemotherapy but has never been clinically shown to work. Small doses do nothing and large doses kill people.

[ak99372]

If you're comparing seeds with chemo therapy you must be on drugs yourself.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@ak99372 The video itself begs the comparison, not to mention the nut jobs on here that claim the "vitamin" in these seeds is a safe alternative to chemo.  The way it works like chemo is it kills human cells... nothing more.

[shooze5]

@wowsdrawkcab the way it works is it kills malignant human cells,without harming normal ones,why do you think apes will rip apart an apricot,throw away the fruit ,break open the pit and eat the kernel? animal instinct...same as cats and dogs eating grass...they just know!

[mechysonu2010]

@ak99372 I love this comment as it so true. chemo = poison, seeds = gods gift. if seeds are so bad, then why have human lived so well off it since the beginning thousands of years ago. The Answer Is that it is not bad.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@mechysonu2010 The philosophy "natural is good" is so flawed yet it appears over and over in these comments. Poisonous mushrooms are also natural. Do we eat them? seeds=gods gift, seeds=cyanide, cyanide=poison  gods gift=poison?

[maggottdude]

@wowsdrawkcab

hi Satan's minion,

make sure you give all your money to big Pharma before you die

[wowsdrawkcab]

@maggottdude

Hi poor fool,

Make sure to eat seeds if you get cancer so you die...

[maggottdude]

@wowsdrawkcab

We're not talking about some new kind of plant found in some cave at Himalaya

we 're talking about FRUIT SEEDS for god sake.

PEOPLE & ANIMALS HAVE BEEN EATING THEM FOR THOUSAND YEARS

Until ofcourse "modern" civilization cut them out of their diet and started dieing like flies in the name of Big Pharma.

Watch out , dont choke on that cock of Satan you Big Pharma drone.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@maggottdude Yeah. Only seeds. That's exactly what they are, and like lots of things found in nature if you consume too much it kills you.

Go cook up another conspiracy theory where you might be able to argue properly... UFO's or something. You'd have better luck not looking like a fool.

TAKE IT TO THE MAN BRO!!!

[Probesoul]

@wowsdrawkcab You know... you have to be out of your mind to think that you can convince people to believe that chemotherapy is less destructive than eating apple seeds.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@Probesoul That is precisely what I am saying and here's why. Chemotherapy works in many cases. Cyanide does not work even when the toxic dose is approached. It has never been shown to work by any verified study. I would argue that doing nothing (as shown by the literature on cyanide compounds) is more destructive than trying to kill cancer in almost all cases. Essentially, not treating a treatable disease is less destructive than withholding treatment.

[Probesoul]

@wowsdrawkcab My mistake for my initial reply to your comment... I normally do not correspond with evil... our correspondence will end here

[YaOkRight]

@wowsdrawkcab

Wow you are a liar, your lies only hit home with the uneducated.The Hunza tribe lived almost exclusively on apricot kernels and they lived well over 120 years in age.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@YaOkRight Staggering... will you please search google at least before posting untruths. They ate grains, cheese, yogurt, occasional meats, fruits (including the family that contains the cyanide compound) and veggies. They may have eaten the kernels with the apricots etc but the diet wasn't exclusive to the kernels. Diets of apricot kernels have and continue to kill people. They had a very well balanced diet paired with exercise. Don't lie to support your position. It makes it weaker.

[YaOkRight]

@wowsdrawkcab

Not true their diet used large amounts of apricot kernels, they even used them as currency, these kernels do not kill anyone! As for your cyanide scare tactics that may work on the uneducated, cyanide when bonded is perfectly harmless.If you dont believe me then you better stop eating salt..it is bonded so it is harmless but otherwise I could use your scare tactics and say how it contains chlorine gas-remember WW II...? Chlorine gas was used to kill...DUH

[wowsdrawkcab]

@YaOkRight Have you taken a chemistry class? If you truly believe every word that you have just written I pity you. How do you propose the compound prevents cancer then? You seem to be disagreeing with everyone else posting here. btw NaCl IS broken up by the body... where do you think we get stomach acid? HCl. uh o... Bring back some facts next time you idiot.

[Gavinwr75]

@wowsdrawkcab u thick troll

[wowsdrawkcab]

@Gavinwr75

Do you have something worthwhile to add or are you trolling? lol.

[Gavinwr75]

@wowsdrawkcab no I'm not the troll YaOkRight is the troll. Mistake yeah my comment is in agreement with you

[rogerheaton]

@wowsdrawkcab you're an idiot!

[wowsdrawkcab]

@rogerheaton

Explain to me why I am an idiot. I'm interested to see if you can come up with an intelligent response.

[athletichunta]

@wowsdrawkcab I think your a quack. Theirs no harmful affects of apple hseeds and eating healthy. Dr coldwell cured 35 thousand cancer patients and currently holds the number one cancer cure rate world wide.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@athletichunta

Is this place a breeding ground for the uneducated?

Why don't you google "apple seed toxicity"

Don't make outrageous claims when you have no idea if what you are saying is true.

[sn1pe352]

@wowsdrawkcab Google the endless cocktails of chemotherapy toxicity, do you realize how silly you sound when you say what you just said, the toxicity IS the reason why it kills cancer cells using the same principles as standard chemotherapy

[wowsdrawkcab]

@sn1pe352

Difference being that chemotherapy has been shown to work... Shit holding your breath kills cells too... so does getting into auto collisions... I say choose the treatment that has been proven to work on the most consistent basis, wait for it... in the scientific literature! I'm sure you'll say how it is corrupt now because that's all you have left. Sorry but the compounds found in these plant species have never been shown to work better than placebo in studies I've read.

[xsozosagarax]

@wowsdrawkcab Chemotherapy doesnt work. Chemo can only buy time and MAYBE get rid of tumors/cancer, theres no absolute proof of it doing so. I got a tumor a few years ago, got it removed, it came back, got it radiated, it came back again, and now I'm on chemo. My doctors have specifically told me that I'm lucky if the chemo works. As a last resort, Ive looked up this B17 vitamin and have seen COUNTLESS research articles about how well it works and how Big Pharma banned it. You read wikipedia.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@xsozosagarax

No I don't read wikipedia, I read medical books. Chemo works on many types of cancer and in a lot of those types it is the only viable choice. I don't know what type of cancer you have or how progressed it is, but i do know that just because your doc said your cancer is barely treatable doesn't mean it doesn't work for many other people. Find me an article of B17 working that is a real study. Seeking a last resort is natural, but don't poison others' minds.

[xsozosagarax]

@wowsdrawkcab If you simply look it up, you'll find out that there is a cyanide component in Apricot and Apple seeds. Yes, cyanide is a poison, but its wrapped in other components, thus making the poison virtually ineffective. Cancer cells are known to basically prey on the nutrients your body receives, so when the cyanide component of these seeds enter your body, the cancer cells eat it up. Cancer cells are also weaker than normal cells, so the cyanide (B17) ends up killing the cancer cells.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@xsozosagarax

Quoting you "cyanide is a poison, but its wrapped in other components, thus making the poison virtually ineffective".

All true, which is why you need a lot within a cell to kill it, which is the same basis for traditional chemo. The problem arises when you approach the therapeutic dose.

Best of luck to you but please don't use only the kernels for treatment.

[joikee]

@wowsdrawkcab no I've gone over most of the comments you made in regards to this issue.. its obvious you are brainwashed beyond repair . Its obvious you are FDA approved, and nothing gets by you unless it is FDA approved.. Sorry buddy but if you believe that the FDA is looking out for citizens and not the best interest of drug companies then have a nice day...

[wowsdrawkcab]

@joikee

Until this dissenting theory is tested by verifiable studies not one physician should have any reason to use b17 as an anticancer drug. That could be your claim to fame. Raise money, begin a study and change the world for the better. If you or anyone for that matter showed that b17 at least paralleled traditional chemotherapy in effectiveness, everyone would have a successful cheap way to beat cancer.

[joikee]

@wowsdrawkcab you know yourself this would never get the studies needed to show it effectiveness becuase it would cost many millions of dollars to do so.. not one drug company out there would ever invest in such a study because they cannot make money from natural cures..only drugs is what they are interested in..

do you actually understand the chemistry behind the apricot seed, and why its believed by many to have cancer fighting properties???

[wowsdrawkcab]

@joikee

They did study it so that point is null. Yes I do understand how apricot seeds are proposed to kill cancer. Fast growing neoplastic cells undergo aerobic and anaerobic respiration resulting in raised acidity and raised B- Glucuronidase activity to deal with this imbalance. The toxin is released faster due to higher enzymatic activity. The problem is b17 induces healthy cells to become anaerobic by inhibiting the ETC.

But... further research might show it works, although not yet.

[xsozosagarax]

@wowsdrawkcab also, just a side note.. I started eating these seeds not too long ago, but from what I've read, it seems like its helped tons of people. I'll have a scan in either late January 2011 or early Feb. 2011. So, if you would like me to, I'll send you a priv. message letting you know if the seeds are more effective than chemotherapy.

[joikee]

@wowsdrawkcab you must be a medical doctor (one trained in a medical school, run by drug companies) you only learn what they want you to learn,, please do your research and and wake up .. if you get cancer will you let them treat you with chemo and radiation?? I know of at least 20 friends and relatives who had cancer and went the traditional treatment (chemo and radiation) they all died within 1 year... I know 2 people who went non traditional, and still alive 2day, one 5yr & 15yr

[wowsdrawkcab]

@joikee

Correlation is not causation and we can only believe what has been shown in repeated trials to consistently work. We do this to avoid killing people needlessly. Thus far not one study I've seen shows any promise for this non traditional treatment. It IS cytotoxic which is why people are interested in cancer research, and if my memory serves, it interferes with the mitochondrial metabolism in cells but hasn't been shown to avoid killing normal cells.

[joikee]

@wowsdrawkcab if you are one of these people who cannot see past the "Drug Company Control" then its hopeless for you to open your eyes to anything else.. I personally know a number of people who eat apricot seeds on a regular bases, they are fine.. you are worried about apricot seeds damaging normal cells? are you not worried about chemo damaging normal cells??? If a person has cancer,, why would you want to add more toxins and poisin to the body (with chemo and radiation)? makes sense to you?

[wowsdrawkcab]

@joikee

Why am I worried about them damaging normal cells? Simple, since they have never been shown to work better than a placebo in clinical trials it does nothing but put more strain on the body as you suggested.

This was investigated a few decades ago, crushed and has been limping along in the alternative medicine crowd ever since.

[joikee]

@wowsdrawkcab I would rather take apricot kernals to help me fight a cancer than chemo anyday....chemo is well known to damage both the good and bad cells.. Kernals on the other hand are very unlikely to damage good cells.

[wowsdrawkcab]

@joikee

That's just not the truth. There are instances where people have died from eating products made from apricots (extreme doses mind you). According to the accepted literature they just don't work. A variety of doses were tried up to toxic levels and there was no difference in the proliferation of cancer.

[smellsogoody]

@joike I agree with you 100+%

[sn1pe352]

@joikee

"Metastasis accounts for most of cancer's lethality," said Sherwood, who is an assistant professor of biology at Duke. "It's the most essential step in cancer progression, but it's the least understood."

[norwaymmr]

another way: cannabinoids

[ThePregnancySlaves]

[ "This is the scientific reality that the seeds of all common fruits (except citrus) contain Vitamin B17, an anti cancer vitamin. If we ingest proper quantities for these vitamin either in the pure form or through ingesting the nitrilosidic foods we will be able to prevent cancer just as surely as we are able to prevent Scurvy by the use of vitamin C or Pernicious Anemia by the use of vitamin B12. " —Ernest Krebs, Jr.]

[whatchitnow]

Fucking pharmecies! Seeds Seeds Seeds!!!!

[Redtide]

Now u know what Monsanto wants to remove seed from fruits - this is the real agenda

[ceetboy]

@Redtide they part of the nwo. they want to illuminate human by growing clone and fake food.

[Dasmaster1]

@Redtide yepp because seeds contains cyanide that kills people... smart move

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 although we disagrre on seed therapy ,Dasmaster1,have you checked out what Mansanto is doing to YOUR food?

[Dasmaster1]

@shooze5 nope never heard of them... (assuming its a company)

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 google them,watch a few documentaries on them. And the USDA chief ,Tom Vilsack,is tied into Mansanto. Obama appointed him,effectively furthering Mansanto's manifesto of controlling the world's food

[Dasmaster1]

@shooze5 Im just about to hit the pillow right now so ill look tomorrow, though "controlling the world's food" dosent seam like a corporate thing to do because all they want is money...

Meaning controlling the food would be very ineffective and costly for the company.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 Monsanto makes seeds which produce plants which are sterile. The farmers are then forced to buy more seeds from Monsanto instead of saving seeds for next year. It is very effective and very profitable. Monsanto also wants to make it illegal for farmers to use anyting other than their products. There are farmers in the UK who trade in "forbidden" black market seeds. Seriously.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 Monsanto also wants farmers to pay royalties on seeds in perpetuity. Very profitable indeed.

Re: sterile seeds google.....Ethical Investing

Monsanto Terminator Technology -- Worldwide Famine & Starvation

[Dasmaster1]

@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well the big problem with someone trying to control food is that... food is not a single thing... if they are stupid enough to make farming unprofitable the farmers will just make something else. (meat for example or fruit etc...)

This would effectivly ruin there own buissnis

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 Dude..you OBVIOUSLY did not bother to read even that one article. If you had you would not hve made that ignorant comment. Third world farmers do not have the options you speak of. "Let them eat cake" isn't a solution to their problems.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 Are you seriously trying to say that farmers too poor to afford to buy seeds every year should just buy some cows instead ? Really?

[Dasmaster1]

@mykoolaidtastesfunny No im saying that if something is unprofitable no one will be doing it unless for a damn good reason. Also you most understand that most farmers got more money then the average Joe... in the "good ol days" farmers who had there own land was looked upon as wealthy people.

Also what im talking about has nothing to do with Monsanto being dickheads just that i dont for a second believe they have such a goal... its not a "company" like goal even..

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 They ADMIT that that is their goal. DUH! MONSANTO is the company that came up with the "terminator seed" technology. Can't you read?

We aren't talking aboutthe "good ole days". We're talking about today.

[Dasmaster1]

@mykoolaidtastesfunny Then they are complete and utter idiots and i dont want to waste my time on them in the current situation of affairs nor do i ever think i will need to.

Besides what will the difference be? Hybrid seeds that most western farmers use now days are pretty much sterile too

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 You don't have the option of ignoring them. Whether you want to face it or not Monsanto's ultimate goal is the control of everyone's FOOD. They aren't "idiots". They want money and people need food so food is good thing to control. It's an excellent business plan

If you had bothered to read ANYTHING on the topic you would already know what the problems and/or potential problems are. You obviously aren't reall interested though so what's the point in replying to me?

[Dasmaster1]

You seam rather confused about this. But let me tell you that seeds that is sterile has been in use for ages already.... most western farmers (and i do mean most) already buys there seeds 100% of the time because those seeds have been modified to give a better crop that covers for the cost that it takes to re-buy the seeds...

And those seeds are sterile just because they are hybrid seeds. If someone want to make sterile seeds go ahead.. none will buy if its not profitable more...

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 Excuse me? Sorry but I grew up with...not professional farmers but full time gardeners and NO....seeds are not usually sterile. Where the hell did you come up with that? Hybrids are also NOT generally sterile.

Dude....you have done ZERO research on this topic and obviously are not interested in doing so so stop acting like a know-it-all.

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 In fact I've never even seen the little yellow tomatoes one of my grandpas used to grow anywhere. Not in the grocery stores and not as seeds. Idk know or when he got them but but he always had to save some seeds for the next year. he always started off his tomatoes in the attic near a window so they would be more developed before putting htem outside to accomodate the shorter growing season in our area.

[Dasmaster1]

@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well you will have to look around... there is approximately 7500 different types of tomatoes alone and a large part of those are yellow and there are seeds for most of those to buy. Though areas do tend to specialise on some since its hard to fit 7500 kinds of seeds of just tomatoes in one store...

Hybrid seeds are not 100% sterile but the low chance is to low that its usually not worth the time or seeds

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 I HAVE looked around because I miss them. It's not just the color, it's the size shape and flavor. I've tried similar types and they're close but not as sweet or juicy. I'm telling you....he grew them from seeds. I wish someone had saved some. I've even scoured places that specialize in heirloom varieties and thus far no luck. He wasn't into breeding so he must have got them from somwhere. The only time he bought seeds is if he wanted to try something different.

[Dasmaster1]

@mykoolaidtastesfunny well as i said... there is 7500 types of tomatoes ALL different in shape, size, taste and colour...

[mykoolaidtastesfunny]

@Dasmaster1 The point is.....he grew MOST of his crops from seeds from the previous year as does my dad. Not sure about his dad though. he grew the usual things but also corn and corn is different. I know nothing about the growing of corn and I'm not one to pretend to know about something that I DON'T know about.

You aren't obligated to take an interest in anything but if you're going to argue about something then you should probably brush up on the topic.

[yogimed29]

That is amazing

[procommenter]

The hydrocyanic acid within apple seeds destroys trophoblasts {cancerous cells}.

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter yepp, it destroys cells in general so who wants to try cellular suicide!? Anyone!? Mr? Mrs? ... Kitty? :( aww

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter A hydrogen cyanide concentration of 300 mg/m3 in air will kill a human within about 10 minutes. It is estimated that hydrogen cyanide at a concentration of 3500 ppm (about 3200 mg/m3) will kill a human in about 1 minute. The toxicity is caused by the cyanide ion, which halts cellular respiration by inhibiting an enzyme in mitochondria called cytochrome c oxidase.

[procommenter]

@Dasmaster1 : Beware of the salad bar! Raw spinach contains hydrogen cyanide in abundance! Beware of sodium chloride!

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter So-called "bitter" roots of the cassava plant may contain up to 1 gram of HCN per kilogram. (Apple seeds contain 10 grams per kg which is 10 times more) But its well known that cassava roots and leaves should not be consumed raw because they contain toxins.

Salt is also bad if you consume it more then the body requires and many have died from overdose on salt though its still necessary for life.

Also no hydrogen cyanide in spinach... lier (or prove me wrong)

[procommenter]

@Dasmaster1 : Would you seek the antidote for cyanide poisoning if you consumed the seeds of 10 apples?

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter i wouldnt bother because as long as you dont grind them up the shell protects the seeds from being digested but if i did consume the seeds of 10 apples id first write "Stupid" on my forehead then go to a doctor.

[procommenter]

@Dasmaster1 : Stupid = ignorant. ("We are all ignorant depending on the subject." -- Mark Twain) I consume 20 Japanese plum seeds daily as well as the seeds from 2 to10 apples (thoroughly masticated so as to derive every molecule of benzaldahyde & hydrogen cyanide available). There is no known toxicity for these poisons as they are presented locked, molecularity-speaking, fruit seeds/pips, grasses, leaves and certain grains.

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter hydrogen cyanide is rated T+ or Very toxic in EU and "Very short exposure could cause death or major residual injury (e.g., hydrogen cyanide, phosphine)" in the NFPA... there is allot known about the toxicity

benzaldahyde is rated Xn for "Harmful" or "Intense or continued but not chronic exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury (e.g., ethyl ether)" in NFPA

Is that enough warning labels for you?

[procommenter]

@Dasmaster1 : Of course. That's why ruminant-cud-chewing cows & bison, horses, sheep, goats, alpacas & llamas are dropping like flies. Their diets are exclusively grass, leaves & seeds that abound in the naturally-occurring-cyanide-ri­ch substance known as Amygdalin.

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter Ever wondered why there is seeds?... perhaps because when animals eat the fruit they poop out the seeds intact so a new plant can grow? no? Or why herbivores dont eat every green thing they come across?

Or did you know how common it is for pets who dosent know better to die from eating the wrong plants... Besides even aside from that most if not all herbivores does not have the correct enzyme to digest Amygdalin... we humans have though

[Dasmaster1]

@procommenter sorry i forgot to add "did consume the ground up seeds of 10 apples"

[shooze5]

@Dasmaster1 tryptophan has also caused deaths because it was taken in unhealthy amounts. I don't think people should stop eating turkey,though,anymore than we shouldn't eat seeds because of a small amount of toxic by-product(which our bodies are equipped to handle).