Adjust your car computer to work with HHO

[bikr1975]

you do know that you can use an enhancer in the winter cause the overheating of the engine due to the leaning of fuel to air ratio is counteracted by the freezing winter air passing through the radiator? use it for highway speeds though. make it a switch on and off. on for highway, off for city. my 94 ford explorer runs slightly warmer but im saving on gas. around the area of 4 -6 mpg more.

[knineu02]

Waste of time!

[juggernautxtr]

stan meyer did not run his car on HHO alone he was injecting water into the cylinder.

HHO was used to heat the water to steam. the steam if it got hot enough would also seperate into hydrogen and oxygen parts would also ignite and there you have it morons.

[aaaflooddrying]

@juggernautxtr I think you are right. But I think that he was ionizing the hot vapor/ water mist as well and adding a huge high voltage spark. The spark had a hydrogen type affect and also helped break down the ionized water faster adding tremendously to the overall power of the reaction by actually having a liquid fuel in the chamber. Water. He was getting multiple effects out of all types of reactions of water at the same time. Not just HHO. My guess anyway.

[aaaflooddrying]

@aaaflooddrying I also think too many people are chasing a brass ring that's to hard to obtain. If more people incorporarted Roy Mcaliste'rs work along with HHO as well as Hypnow and GEET mixed all on dumbed down platforms but mixed. Good results on mileage could be had without perfecting any of them. We don't need to eliminate fossil fuel completely as the first step. 10% across the board would be cool, more if we can get it, and the faster the better. Clay

[juggernautxtr]

@aaaflooddrying

it's a simple matter of people trying over think the matter at hand. kiss(keep it simple stupid) meyers pictures are far more telling at what is going on than his explanation.

meyers was a back yard scientist of sorts. he just modernized what john deere had done in the 1900's. yeah surprisingly john deere was the first to hydrogen power. just didn't have the power to compete with gas at that time. and was totally forgotten till meyers brought it back up.

[thegreatkoua]

never mind

[ObjectiveRealist]

It shouldn't be so complicated; if you chop into your air intake "downstream" from your MAF sensor -- or O2 sensor or whatever the sensor on the air intake is called on your car -- then run the pipe or hose from your HHO device closer to the engine than where the air flow mass is being measured, then the air mass of your HHO will not be measured, your air-fuel mixture ratio will not be incorrectly "corrected" by your Saudi computer, and you will save fuel.

[juggernautxtr]

@ObjectiveRealist

then get hit with an intake leak that the map recognizes and watch it add fuel cause of the intake leak.

it's called the map sensor. and it knows the barometric pressure of the intake and outside of the engine air pressure..

[lisaandsteveandcj]

hi people

watch this space as there is a good possibility that i could be sending a big appology and eating my words with regards to hho as it seems to be sorted ? will post fuel consumption figures on cherokee 4.0 ltr if i ever get through this tank of fuel?????

regards steve

[lisaandsteveandcj]

i have tried everything on my 4ltr cherokee and from the start my fuel consumption got worse ? got a good cell 100 pounds map sensor 50pounds efie 70pounds and 3months of wasted time the only people who are saving money with hho are the people selling us the products?? ok prove me wrong make it work on my car i am not stupid and understand the basics also have all the equipment installed? regards steve

[noimw]

A 5 liter V8 at 2000 RPM pulls in a max of 10,000 liters of air & fuel per minute. Do you really think a few bubbles is going to make a difference.

Now subtract the power the alternator pulled from the engine to make those bubbles.

Now subtract the cost of a valve job every few months.

HHO is a SCAM. It don't work, never has, never will.

[HybridWaterMan2]

@noimw - wrong- it DOES work and we have a lot of repeat customers to prove it as well as our own vehicles. Some cars respond better than others because of the programming of the ecu, but a good generator and a good system can get good results. We have been doing it since 2007 and our hybrid cells that we introduced in 2008 have been selling so well we can barely keep them in stock. Oh, and by the way NO valve job has been needed for any of our customers or my own vehicles.

[AnotherArgo]

I've assembled an EFIE similar to the one indicated in your video and found it does function. This device will function on ECM controlled vehicles, however the newer ones use additional sensors in combination, such as the MAP, MAF, IAT and ECT sensors, to control the lean-out limits of a given vehice's engine.

Have you come across an electronic diverter for controlling an EFI's fuel injectors?

[Trilibites]

Thanks cheaphardwarez- keep me posted on your product, (when you get it RIGHT;-).

Hmmmm! A spam punch registered on my speaking the 'truth' about what's going on in this market arena.

My personal reason for calling out to 'everyone' to "EXPOSE" the crooks running scams in [this] Ho market, is because Research-"&-Success" with all the benefits Hydrogen offers - is urgently important to our future in so many ways.

and now we're supposed to ignore the

"Con's" corrupting honest efforts!?

[webovisionca]

you can buy EFIEs on ebay for 50-60$

[Trilibites]

cheaphardwarez'- Notice the document (i.e. product) producer of your electrolyzer is Eagle-Research... Huh?

So, tell us how good you've got your booster performing. What's your real milage improvement?

(Reason for asking is that this product market is "swarming" with dead-beats and shill artist's promoting 'their' magic machines - most of which are crap, out to con people out of their money for box of 'do-nothing junk'.)

[cybergrip]

You got that right!!! we have bought 8 and they were all VERY cheap, but very expensive! We got them to see what was on the market and if, in fact, they even work.

Well, they did to some extent, but not without some modifications.

We are making a myers model that will be solid, proven, and default to factory if anything should go arry. This is a blissfully sloppy science, there are a million ways to get it right, and another million to improve it. Boils down to simplicity and reliability.

[justinsn95]

Hmm. Is that all that needs to be done in order to lean back the fuel? Also, now that you have leanded back the fuel, how do you know how much HHO to dump into your engine?

[silverbird58]

i'll bet you cancrank the timming over to 70 deg avance and it still start. hey guys could you raise the rpm to the position you drive most , or even idle and put a small clamp over the vaccuum line to the map .AND get it to work?

[lazzer408]

Actually, on hho you'd probably snap a rod.

[gsxrhubb]

that's true "cheap" BUT! what about the timing of a HHO engine

According to "Roy McAlister" American Hydrogen Association, the timing for a hydrogen engine should be a 0 degree/TDC (TopDeadCenter) compression.......that would take alot more then adjusting the 02 sensor to fix

Even with a distributor engine w/modern electronics you would need a programmable "ECM" with enough retarding of timing to accomplish this

"DIS" engines are NOT a good conversion for "HHO"

[cheaphardwarez]

I dont think hho cells make enough change to need timing changes like Roy suggest. We are not adding anywhere near 5%-7% BTU input in hydrogen that Roy is doing.

[vb6josh]

For the timing you can buy a Map Enhancer to bring the volts down to 4.2 or what ever works best for your MAP sensor.

[rhblakeman]

Hydrogen only as in from a compressed storage bottle is best done on older non-computer carbureted engines and yes near TDC is best due to the quicker flash point/ignition point of the hydrogen compared to gasoline. The EFIE unit is mostly for fuel injection engines that run an ECU/ECM engine control box that reads the upstream O2 sensor's Lambda voltage that is relational to the rich/lean condition before the catalytic to fill in the lost voltage of running leaner with HHO (oxygen & hydrogen)

[HybridWaterMan2]

@gsxrhubb That's for running a car with pure H2- compressed and injected. Way different than this form of hydrogen-oxygen that is injected at 135 degrees and is 34% oxygen. It is enough to enhance combustion but not enough to have to advance timing unless you are introducing very large quantities in relation to size of motor...

[cheaphardwarez]

The test car was a 200 plymoth voyager. Adding offset voltage to the oxygen sensor make the computer read it as a 'rich' mixture and therefore reduced the applied fuel.

[must3232]

quick question, if your car is old(obd0) and has only one oxygensensor close to the exaust manifold would your injectors be adding more fuel if u put a hho system on the intake?

o and the car is a duel port fuel injector system so its not a carborated system but its not fully port fuel injected either, 89 civic

[patro46]

Yes. Provided your system is working as designed, your o2 sensor will "read" the burnt hydrogen (VERY oxygen rich) and interpret it as a lean condition (low voltage signal from o2 sensor) and "richen" your fuel mixture defeating any potential gains you might achieve....so we "add voltage to" the existing signal fooling the ECM into thinking it's still a gas guzzler as it was designed to be. It's called "beating them at their own game"...hehe...

Peace

[must3232]

cool thanks for the reply. I havent used my hho system in the car yet but its good to know about the voltage