Actually I started playing D&D with 4th edition, but I also tried 3.5.
Well 3rd edition sure got the typical Dungeons and Dragons spirit, but 4th isn't so bad: in 4e every class is fun to play(even the stupid fighter got powers and abilities like the powerful mage), and everything(more or less) is balanced so no one is going to say that his bard sucks compared to whatever else.
every edition of d&d is fun to play with your friends to me.
@PaCo12349 They were saying 4e is more class-balanced than previous editions, so where a bard had mostly party-oriented spells and little in the way of offensive magic before, in 4e he can hold his own quite comfortably in a solo setting.
I actually love 4th edition, I don't see why so many people think its the death of dnd, not to mention its not like you can't just go back to 3.5 anytime you want.
3.5 and 4e are jokes ... when the grid became a requirement ... D&D died. Not to mention that the vast majority of humanity views ALL RPGs as a joke. So fighting about it is ... umm ... silly ...
@sve7n182 Noobs like me who want to get into the game, noobs whom the company took advice from when everyone said it was too hard to get into. They created it FOR noobs, they made it easier to understand the rules and generalized things. You could tell me to be a man and learn 3rd like everyone else, if you don't remember those times way back when, when you would reread the book or have the rules explained to you one to say "wait, what?"
@MandragGanon First of all, I'm not saying 4th isn't better than 3.5, I'm saying it's easier to understand for those who are new to the game.
Second of all, that you showed people 3.5 and they said "I like it!" Doesn't mean that 4th sucks, that it needs to be destroyed, or anything like that. That's like walking up to a christian and saying "I introduced a few people to islam and they like it!" And using that as an excuse to show that islam is better than christianity.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I didn't notice any reduction of coolness, but I would admit that 3rd edition had tended to follow the 5th commandment of online worlds: "Thou shalt create and follow rules that bind thyself as well as the players, for thou art of the community, not above it."
4th edition didn't follow that commandment.
I haven't noticed any loss of coolness. Infact, 4e seems to make it easier for whatever cool thing the DM thought of to be put into a game.
Or High Level Epicness. Other than increased damage output and a few powers (Flight usualy comes to mind) a High Level wizard is nearly Identical to a low level wizard.
Or the almost completly useless artifacts,
Or the Buffered down magic items
3e has rules for everything which is somewhat problematic if you do something it misses to covour or have a DM that takes the rules too far.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Are you just looking at the powers with the shortest descriptions there, or are you just upset that they don't have the "linear warriors, quadratic wizards" thing going for them anymore? We could go through levels 16-30 with me pointing out multiple things they can do at each of those levels that they can't at levels 1-15. However, the character limit would get in the way, and I hate dividing up my answer into multiple comments, so how about we continue this with messages?
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I don't think it looses any of it's coolness, quite the opposite. Sure a wizard doesn't have a billion different spells they're able to choose from but a fighter, rogue, etc classes don't have to just go "I swing my sword, next turn I swing my sword, next turn I swing my sword, oh wait this turn I'll do something amazing! ...I swing my sword".
So are there some issues? Sure, always will be. But is lit "less cool", I don't think so at all.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild So your suggestion is what? They revoke hundreds of thousand of dollars invested in putting their time and effort into the new system so that they can return to making one shot adventures and supplements for 3.0 which will in turn garner far less revenue?
They're a business first. Just like everyone else they have bills to pay and once they announce something out they can tweak it from constructive crit but listening to the "this is bullshit" complaints is a waste of time.
No. I suggest they listen to criticizm for the next edition. I also want them NOT to make cartoons of dragons crapping on those that dislike the game.
And when did I say "This is bullshit"? I mentioned flaws in the game. Just like in 3.5e.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Ever notice the Errata? They do listen to some extent. On top of that it wasn't just "players that dislike the game" that they had the dragon crap on, it was a troll. If you don't get the difference between an internet troll and a player then that would be where your confusion is stemming from.
Hell, the complaints shown where "They're just money grubbing... should have never went to a new version...." etc, all things that weren't complaints on what to fix at all.
Look although I don't get people that say "Requires Minis lolz" its still a very Immature look on things (Uwe Boll comes to mind). The major complaint on 3.5e was that Levels 15 Up get kinda mushy and 21Up are outright horrible (Seriously, How lazy could they get on the epic levels! All they did was add hit dice and damage dice). So they simplified it. I think they simplified it way too much, loosing allot of important details in the process.And yes, its highly money grubbing.
3.5 You leveld up and got nigh always pre-chosen advances all you needed to choose was feats and if you where a caster spells.
All they did to simplify 4.0 really was change saves to flat defenses. As for spell choices you STILL get the equivalent with power choices. Sure there are fewer with say, casters, but there's more for EVERY other non-caster reliant class making it arguably more complicated.
The Spellcasting System was simplified. I will agree, it was hectic, but that was what made it interesting. Your powers altered the surroundings much more and for much longer. They had more of a Oh s- type of stuff. Yet the Smaller powers still remained usefull. Running through a castle and using 'Lock" to escape the guards, Undead squadrons, Instant Teleport (To your homebase), Summon Monster, All of these could greatly turn the outcome of a battle (And Outside of it too)
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Yes but again you're focusing on just one or two classes. I'll admit yes, spell casters lost some versatility but honestly not all that much. You still have your combat related spells from classes and you have your other more fluff non-combat related stuff in rituals (including things like "lock").
Giving everybody else powers just makes the choice of playing a caster much less impact-full. A Non Spellcaster got his abilities from unique powers, and much higher degrees of Martial power. Giving everybody "Damage+Push/Pull/Status ability/Teleport/(+/-)to ability" is a much less thought out and less interesting. Like Fighters cannot even disarm/ sunder anymore!
@TheInsaneSchoolchild See here's where I don't get why this matters. Giving everyone else more utility makes casters less impact full... so what? They still can do much of exactly what they did before except now everyone else isn't stuck to the same mundane nonsense anymore. There was a reason very few people played non caster or caster hybrids and it was because they where pretty much pigeon holed into "I swing, I swing, I swing, I swing".
Im Saying that the Combat becomes much more "I blast/Swing at you" Heavy, And Im saying that its more gamist. It Makes perfect sense that If Im a fighter, I forget my simpler attacks and only remember the complex ones, It also makes sense that If I can cut tendons only once per day if Im a rouge.
Now its: I Swing....With an Stun!...I Swing...With a Push!....I Swing With an extra few dice of damage! Its not much of a change.
Oh and dont you even begin talking about pigeonholing in 4e!
@TheInsaneSchoolchild It's not always about "sense" it's about fun. If I have one or two options at all levels the game is going to get very dull (did) very fast. Again this is why there was a far large portion of players (at least in my experience) that played the caster hybrid classes because you had options unlike the rogues, fighters / other types of non-casting classes.
Yes it's like bashing someone in the head or legs instead of just hitting them in an undefined spot over and over.
And Why can't I try to smash the Pit fiends +4 Mace?
And this is exactly what I was talking about, the status effects replace too much variations in the battle, like dispell, or moving earth.
And Im saying that the Gained 20 are all very repetitive. The Fighter had less choice, YES. But did real Knights in the world yell out "Im Using my Kakehameha Attack!" Like an anime? Or say "well I used it once so now I cannot use it again.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild My mistake with the disarm, suppose our DM added it as a house rule. It instead became a martial power, possibly for monks, uncertain. Either way a simple house rule or utility custom power would fix this (as well as things like sunder).
Where does a fighter have a kamehameha or anything absurd like that? They gain things like attacking a persons hamstrings, bashing them with their shield etc. In the end mechanics sometimes have to trump reality to maintain balance.
(cont) on top of this your complaint wasn't originally "it's unrealistic that class x has these abilities" (which is absurd because you're not talking about realistic, you're talking about a fantasy world with dragons, demons, and other dimensions as well as magic gallore), it was the complexity being lacking which, again, it clearly isn't.
Thats called Alternative reality. Dragons are a norm in that reality. It still follows common logic like "Oh man I swung my sword extra hard once so Now il wait for 8 hours"
Fighters get more Stuff Got it. Im saying the combat is less complex because the fighter gets unrealistic ludacrist moves that he can use a limited times per day, while the creative spells of spellcasters get removed.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I wonder how that is suppoused to be described "In-game"? You cant use this specific move before next battle but feel free to use another one which you can use only once per day?
If someone likes to ROLEplay, D&D 4th edition gives extra headache...
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Oh please that's just so they could give powers decent names, your character yelling that out is depending on the player not the mechanics.
@TheInsaneSchoolchild No it's not. How is the fighter doing a flurry of blows around him an "anime-esque" attack? Even if you wanted to go with it say, being a burst of fire, how is it absurd that a fighter could have picked up some magic in a place so abundant with it?
Really it sounds your issue is like most players, you don't like change.
Aside from this all it's STILL not addressing your original complaint.
Because in terms of Content, stuff that you got in one Book (Sorcerer, Druid, Monk, Necromancer, Illusionist, Bard, Gnomes,) where spread out on LOTS of books and editions.
It's official. Kobolds are more awesome than any other race in any version of D&D. Especially if they can be the chosen ones via being shat out of a dragon. XD
wow.... I actually had that Red Dragon Dung incident happen in one of my campigns... It was gross... and the minitaur in are group kept making us dive in it for shiny objects he found -_-; He was such an idiot.....
@talhoyle Nobody seems to like this 4th edition much..Im new to DnD so maybe you could tell me what exactly has been lost? Im having a ball so far, but that might be because i've nothing to compare it to.
@hawkbit13 I think it's mostly because 4th edition had simplified things a bit, and in that simplification, a number of options that few people used were removed. Among these options were tripping, disarming, and breaking equipment. They also seem to be upset with not being able to have each level they get be in a different class.
They could also hate it for the same reason every other edition after 1st was hated: because it's new and they don't want to switch to a different system.
@markermage Well, if by a number of options that few people used you mean changing arcane spellcasting to the use of a couple powers and healing to using healing surges then yea, that is why people hate it.
@jermox A couple of powers and rituals. The powers were mostly for combat stuff while the rituals were for stuff like enchanting items or using magic to unlock a door or to detect various things.
And the healing surges... Have you actually seen how many of them each class gets per day? There seems to be a minimum of 6 + Con modifier, and using one restores 1/4 of their max HP (and some powers can have them restore even more).
@markermage Well, maybe we can state that we don't like a different system. If I play a spellcaster I like my list of spells I know, not the same couple of powers and rituals. As far as healing surges, they are just odd. When I cast a healing spell I assume I am healing the target, not allowing them to use a healing surge. I just feel 4e is a whole different system when people wanted an overhaul of the old. Personally, I feel 4e is too cookie cutter as opposed to 3.5 or PF.
@jermox How are the powers and rituals NOT a list of spells that your spellcaster knows? And why'd you use the word "same" there? You get new rituals in the same way you got new wizard spells in 3rd edition and old powers get replaced by new ones as you level up.
The cleric is able to heal other characters without making them spend a healing surge. Just looking at the first two pages of powers they can get, there's Beacon of Hope and Cure Light Wounds, and that's not counting temporary HP.
But you are right, most players simply look at it as a chance to do whatever they want. Which is also sad. Because it doesn't have to be that way.... In fact, it shouldn't be that way. If they can't do that in a regular campaign, what makes them think they can do that an in evil campaign? I never understood that kind of attitude... : /
Of course, one has to be careful using that thing (especially the sacerfice (sp?) rules, the players can get out of control very quickly). But it can be very fun (one of my most memorable characters was a diablogist hooked on the drug pain from the book). But I don't think you'll see it make a comeback for 4th edition either. Not with WotC trying to lure new players in, anyway.
Again, not that I'm saying 4th edition doesn't have it's good qualities, but did we really need such a drastic change? Where I live, Pathfinder's really popular, and it's not nearly as drastic...
@DarthMastadonP90 The big division where I play is oWoD vs nWoD. It would most likely help if the nWoD players main angle of arguement wasnt "oWoD was shit becouse......"
D&D 4th is quite good mechanically, I'm playing with the idea of running a game with people I know to be good roleplayers only and my own setting-that should give me a better estimate of the games merits. Personally I'd rather just play CoC
@angrydead Exactly! The way this new edition is set up seems to foster the Min/Max type of personality! Though it doesn't have to be that way... Like your're doing, you have to find a good, role-playing group that is more interested in their characters as a whole, instead of just focusing on how many orcs they can kill in 10 rounds (I swear to you, I recently saw this on a forum). And as for the little fucking rules nazi, man, you just got to recognize those people before you game with them..
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah and kick them the fuck out of your game.Naturally WoD games draw Goths and emo's (myself was drawn into it being a metalhead). My main gripe is that nWoD players wack off over the improvements failing to realise that the main shortcomings of the previous setting transfered over. (bucket of dice, emo bullshit, kewl katanna wielding dildo's) plus Mages setting is really crap.
@angrydead Yeah, but if you can get them to calm the hell down, they can be your own portable rule memorizers. I've noticed that if they're just new gamers, they can be helped... But if they're been around for a while, kick them the fuck out of your group. As for nWoD, it really does focus too much on role-playing for me. I like my games to be 50% rp, 50% killing shit. Though I have hope for Virgil. I just bought it recently (it was on sale), and it really does seem like a throw back to oWod.
@DarthMastadonP90 As for Mage, I never understood how having psychadilic dreams about towers in wastelands can make you mage... I know it's all supposed to be just symbols, but still... As for vampire, I'm interested more in a 30 Days of Night type of vampire, and all that would get me is a quick, total humanity loss. Which renders my character unplayable... ; (
@DarthMastadonP90 The problem with new mage is it draws too extenssively from one type of wizard for a game that's purely about magic. D&D has more variety in spellcasters.
Vampire is a political game more than anything. You can play monsters but you have to play a monster with internal restraints.
@angrydead What wizard type is that? I wasunder the impression that there was a couple of types you could play... Something about mages that could focus on differnet types of spells, like necrmancy vs evocation... Then again, I don't actually have the book
for mage. I was thinking about buying it, to use in a campaign involving hunters...
@DarthMastadonP90 Wizards as a class. Yeah but they're all basic extenssion of the same sort of wizard. Consider if 3.5 had only let you play differant brands of Wizards as opposed to Clerics, Druids, Sorcerors etc and this is considering that magic users are the only group in the setting. I wouldnt recommend d&d to play villains, the setting doesnt lend itself to playing scum. Especially considering evil is a palpable thing with mechanics
@angrydead Ahhh, I see... So they are all basically wizards with different specialities(sp?). No witches, no warlocks, no one who uses magic in a fundamently different way. Hmmm, sounds kinda... boring.
Maybe not out and out scum, but anti-heroes do, from my experiences, work. And, they offer a different gaming experience without having to go to a new system. In the few evil campaigns I've ran (I'm not a dm very often, but on occassion), I've used the Book of Vile Darkness to great effect.
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah this contrasts with mage the ascension where you have 10 spellcasters types in the core book alone. I'm very wary (and frankly weary) of running 'evil'. It usually ends up an outlet for the sad sociopathic fantasy's of players. Oldly Vampire the masquarade may be a good choice for villain games. Path morality allows a pc to retain an ethical core from an 'evil' perspective. For example path of Honerable accord is very lawful neutral/evil.
@angrydead Aren't those old WoD? Like I said, I've only played that once, and it was Hunter: the Reckoning (no, it was more like three times, and I do remember it as being quite alot of fun). If I was going to play WoD, I'd play Monte Cooks'. I've got the book for that, and it looks real interesting...
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah Vampire the masquerade is most likely one of the better games to run Villains with due to the Sabbat which brings ideological perspective to evil. Plus the path moralities allow a vampires to be construct a moral core without being 'good'. Mind you it's possible to hover around the 4-5 area of the humanity bar quite easily as long as you're evil as opposed to sociopathic.
@DarthMastadonP90 Depends, Path of honerable accord is closer to lawful neutral in a lawful evil society. Path of metamophisis is chaotic evil or Path of Bones which is lawful Evil. The point is that the morality paths have rules and ethics we would describe as 'evil' but still have checks and measure against degeneration. The Humanity system is still the core default path but you can jump to other systems if you're dedicated enough. You can as I've said hover at 4-5 humanity and be evil.
@angrydead Huh. Weary? How many evil campaigns have you ran? Most gms (it's a more useful broad term) I've met won't even talk about it. Which is quite sad, if you ask me. It's all about careful managing. And setting some ground rules. Most of the player vs player can be managed with requireing everbody to be of LE alignment, and.actually.almost everthing can be taken care of using that alignment.
@DarthMastadonP90 3 bad guy campaigns and multiple games with villains in. Lawful evils are genrally better ajusted than teh other evil allignments not in the least becouse they can usually pretend not to be a dick allowing them to function within a good party. In terms of evil most players presume evil to be some sort of demented sociopath, having worked in the police I'm pretty aware that most bad people are capable of restraint and intelligent moves.
@angrydead Yeah, there's no reason that a group of LEs can't function together. And a LE in a party can be an interesting challange for an experienced player. However, most players want to play a CE character, and it just doesn't work... It's like playing a crazy insane psychopath. And a whole group of them? Man, forget it!
@DarthMastadonP90 The other issue is the tendancy for the Chaotic evil antagonist to be an outlet for the players unsavoury personal shortcomings and god knows roleplayers do enough of that shit anyway.
@angrydead Exactly! Vampire is a political game, and I think most people who play D&D aren't really all that interested in politics... That's why we use pre-made campaign settings so much, we don't want to have to go to the trouble of balancing them out ourselves.
And the restraints are bothersome... Your allowed to play a monster, but you really can't use all your powers as you like, or even act like a real monster!
@angrydead That's why I would tell new D&D gamers who are looking at Vampire, "Hey, if you're looking to play evil, monstrous characters, you got read through that rulebook, because most of the time it's going to frustrate you. If you like that sort of thing, good, go ahead... If not, them I recommend an evil D&D campaign, or something else." And I wish somebody had told me that before I bought the book.
@angrydead I don't have alot of experience with the old WoD, but if I remember it right (and I only played it once, and that was when I first started gaming) it was more fun than the new WoD. It seems like to me that it had a lot more action... Though last time I played nWoD was with a bunch of over the top emos and goths (I swear, I wanted to kill MYSELF just looking at them). But, the book DOES stress story over action... But I like an equal mixture of both.But I'd even play that now..
@angrydead They really don't care... In their bid to draw in new gamers, they just took a dump on all of the old ones. Not that I'm saying 4th edition doesn't have its' good points, but personaly, I'm playing more pathfinder than the new edition. : (
@DarthMastadonP90 The ironic thing is that I'd have most likely let this thing go by now if new addition fans were not such a charming bunch. Mind you the same can be said now nWoD players.
@angrydead It's my understanding that they're trying to draw in the MMORPG (roleplaying? man, that's a freaking joke. I've played played card games that had more roleplaying) gamers, and really, what can you expect from them other than "charming".. It's sad to see my favorite pastime (one that I've spent 8 freaking years of my life playing) be brutalized for a bunch of no-imagination, online gamers..
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah I played a game of it a few months back, no roleplay just number-cruching. One of the players had the core book on his lap top all the time and was a total rules nazi. One the little fuckers called me a noob becouse I actually acted IC as opposed to maximising my mechanics another actually said 'lol' instead of laughing.
@Lathox Probably true that lol! Though might have a chance if the opponent is a silver dragon lol! Red Dragon a human is royally screwed unless they've got nukes or something lol!
I do however remember a time when our party was attacked by a red dragon, we had a small black dragon on our side, and my character crited with a frost axe. Needless to say we won.
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boardgamenerd 2 weeks ago
What a fantastic video, too bad the game isn't as appealing.
Dragdamar 3 weeks ago
I love that the troll is trolling.
The81Camino 1 month ago 2
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PaladinoDragonide97 2 months ago
Yum Yum Yummy!!
Naymy 2 months ago
Our beloved master!
(We love you <3)
Brilliant! ^.=.^
BlaizeTheDragon 3 months ago
Lol how many times does that interviewer die?
aarondjlewis 3 months ago
lol
Dasham01st 4 months ago
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Dasham01st 4 months ago
If your going to fight Red Dragon , you better be equipped to survive !
Dasham01st 4 months ago
1:45 The story of my life.
Squeejee09 4 months ago
PATHFINDER!!!!!!!!!!
kaymanklynman 5 months ago
1:04, what the hell is that kobold saying? xD
oldfashionedguy91 5 months ago
@oldfashionedguy91 "I am the chosen one!"
Mandolinpossum 4 months ago 3
1:29 that guy is trollin around!
MrRicky1999 5 months ago
Did he just say "I am the high sycophant?" LOL!!
DetonationImminent 5 months ago 2
"What are you afraid of? IT'S JUST A KOBOLD LAIR" - The cruellest DM inciting the PCs to enter the Dragon's treasure room
SirGentleshark 5 months ago
Actually I started playing D&D with 4th edition, but I also tried 3.5.
Well 3rd edition sure got the typical Dungeons and Dragons spirit, but 4th isn't so bad: in 4e every class is fun to play(even the stupid fighter got powers and abilities like the powerful mage), and everything(more or less) is balanced so no one is going to say that his bard sucks compared to whatever else.
every edition of d&d is fun to play with your friends to me.
Zibbo19 6 months ago 17
@Zibbo19 try pathfinder, it keeps the good spirit of D&D but makes the classes more balanced and fun.
curtisthornsberry 5 months ago
@Zibbo19 Are you trying to say bards are bad!?
PaCo12349 2 months ago
@PaCo12349 They were saying 4e is more class-balanced than previous editions, so where a bard had mostly party-oriented spells and little in the way of offensive magic before, in 4e he can hold his own quite comfortably in a solo setting.
Mandolinpossum 1 month ago
Does anyone else notice that the red guy that comes 1st sounds like the jester in Overlord games.
HORRIOR 6 months ago
Are those little sycophant guys supposed to be kobolds?
doobiesmoke15 6 months ago
I actually love 4th edition, I don't see why so many people think its the death of dnd, not to mention its not like you can't just go back to 3.5 anytime you want.
maxbie123 6 months ago 2
stupid kobolds lol
octopus9991 6 months ago
I had to watch this. I didn't make my saving throw.
meriatonB 6 months ago 3
@meriatonB i fail every time hehe
matthewjs11 3 months ago
Yum yum yummy
RaikouPuppy 6 months ago
Yam-yam-yammy!!! xD
Maridianokusho 6 months ago
LOL "Internet Troll"
ShadowSoldior 7 months ago
I am the chosen one! lol
Ohris 7 months ago
3.5 and 4e are jokes ... when the grid became a requirement ... D&D died. Not to mention that the vast majority of humanity views ALL RPGs as a joke. So fighting about it is ... umm ... silly ...
THELORDOFEXCESS 7 months ago
I actually couldn't understand 4th edition. Ah, the irony.
MySerpentine 7 months ago
Dirty kobold bastards
BornToKillLiveToDie 7 months ago
HONESTLY I DON"T KNOW ONE SERIOUS GAMER WHO ACTUALLY LIKES FOURTH EDITION! NOT A ONE! IT"S JUST NOOBS WHO"VE NEVER {PLAYED BEFORE.
sve7n182 7 months ago
@sve7n182 Noobs like me who want to get into the game, noobs whom the company took advice from when everyone said it was too hard to get into. They created it FOR noobs, they made it easier to understand the rules and generalized things. You could tell me to be a man and learn 3rd like everyone else, if you don't remember those times way back when, when you would reread the book or have the rules explained to you one to say "wait, what?"
vortigauntfan 7 months ago
@vortigauntfan dude it just sucks, go buy the three point five rule set and throw your fourth edition books away, that's all their good for.
sve7n182 7 months ago
@vortigauntfan This week I just introduced 4 new people into 3.5 and they love it. 4th edition is a joke.
MandragGanon 7 months ago
@MandragGanon First of all, I'm not saying 4th isn't better than 3.5, I'm saying it's easier to understand for those who are new to the game.
Second of all, that you showed people 3.5 and they said "I like it!" Doesn't mean that 4th sucks, that it needs to be destroyed, or anything like that. That's like walking up to a christian and saying "I introduced a few people to islam and they like it!" And using that as an excuse to show that islam is better than christianity.
vortigauntfan 7 months ago
@MandragGanon 3.5 is a joke. 2E is the best. But its all good I guess. As long as people are still playing Gary Gygax's creation...
chrometanned 7 months ago
lol troll on the computer !!!!
teddyGros 7 months ago
I wonder how many times Mike has been resurrected? And don't forget the poor cameraman at the end. Yum yum yummy!
Wraithcannon 8 months ago
In addition it realy bugs me tht fan of 4e dont say "Well our system is simpler, but at the same time it looses some of its coolnes, but I like it"
But:
"4e is the best game EVAH! ITS BOTH SIMPLE AND DETAILED AND MAKES SENSE IN A ROLEPLAYING MANNER AND POWERGAMER STUFF!"
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I didn't notice any reduction of coolness, but I would admit that 3rd edition had tended to follow the 5th commandment of online worlds: "Thou shalt create and follow rules that bind thyself as well as the players, for thou art of the community, not above it."
4th edition didn't follow that commandment.
I haven't noticed any loss of coolness. Infact, 4e seems to make it easier for whatever cool thing the DM thought of to be put into a game.
markermage 8 months ago
Not Coolness but details:
Or High Level Epicness. Other than increased damage output and a few powers (Flight usualy comes to mind) a High Level wizard is nearly Identical to a low level wizard.
Or the almost completly useless artifacts,
Or the Buffered down magic items
3e has rules for everything which is somewhat problematic if you do something it misses to covour or have a DM that takes the rules too far.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Are you just looking at the powers with the shortest descriptions there, or are you just upset that they don't have the "linear warriors, quadratic wizards" thing going for them anymore? We could go through levels 16-30 with me pointing out multiple things they can do at each of those levels that they can't at levels 1-15. However, the character limit would get in the way, and I hate dividing up my answer into multiple comments, so how about we continue this with messages?
markermage 8 months ago
I agree, lets
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I don't think it looses any of it's coolness, quite the opposite. Sure a wizard doesn't have a billion different spells they're able to choose from but a fighter, rogue, etc classes don't have to just go "I swing my sword, next turn I swing my sword, next turn I swing my sword, oh wait this turn I'll do something amazing! ...I swing my sword".
So are there some issues? Sure, always will be. But is lit "less cool", I don't think so at all.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Dont like D&D4e? Well Don't worry kids: We give a shit.
Very Classy wotc. Why not just write "GET LOST" To those people that even DARE complain about the MAGESTY of your game.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild So your suggestion is what? They revoke hundreds of thousand of dollars invested in putting their time and effort into the new system so that they can return to making one shot adventures and supplements for 3.0 which will in turn garner far less revenue?
They're a business first. Just like everyone else they have bills to pay and once they announce something out they can tweak it from constructive crit but listening to the "this is bullshit" complaints is a waste of time.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
No. I suggest they listen to criticizm for the next edition. I also want them NOT to make cartoons of dragons crapping on those that dislike the game.
And when did I say "This is bullshit"? I mentioned flaws in the game. Just like in 3.5e.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Ever notice the Errata? They do listen to some extent. On top of that it wasn't just "players that dislike the game" that they had the dragon crap on, it was a troll. If you don't get the difference between an internet troll and a player then that would be where your confusion is stemming from.
Hell, the complaints shown where "They're just money grubbing... should have never went to a new version...." etc, all things that weren't complaints on what to fix at all.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Yay Petty Insults!
Look although I don't get people that say "Requires Minis lolz" its still a very Immature look on things (Uwe Boll comes to mind). The major complaint on 3.5e was that Levels 15 Up get kinda mushy and 21Up are outright horrible (Seriously, How lazy could they get on the epic levels! All they did was add hit dice and damage dice). So they simplified it. I think they simplified it way too much, loosing allot of important details in the process.And yes, its highly money grubbing.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild How did they simplify it?
3.5 You leveld up and got nigh always pre-chosen advances all you needed to choose was feats and if you where a caster spells.
All they did to simplify 4.0 really was change saves to flat defenses. As for spell choices you STILL get the equivalent with power choices. Sure there are fewer with say, casters, but there's more for EVERY other non-caster reliant class making it arguably more complicated.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Let me explain,
The Spellcasting System was simplified. I will agree, it was hectic, but that was what made it interesting. Your powers altered the surroundings much more and for much longer. They had more of a Oh s- type of stuff. Yet the Smaller powers still remained usefull. Running through a castle and using 'Lock" to escape the guards, Undead squadrons, Instant Teleport (To your homebase), Summon Monster, All of these could greatly turn the outcome of a battle (And Outside of it too)
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Yes but again you're focusing on just one or two classes. I'll admit yes, spell casters lost some versatility but honestly not all that much. You still have your combat related spells from classes and you have your other more fluff non-combat related stuff in rituals (including things like "lock").
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Giving everybody else powers just makes the choice of playing a caster much less impact-full. A Non Spellcaster got his abilities from unique powers, and much higher degrees of Martial power. Giving everybody "Damage+Push/Pull/Status ability/Teleport/(+/-)to ability" is a much less thought out and less interesting. Like Fighters cannot even disarm/ sunder anymore!
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild See here's where I don't get why this matters. Giving everyone else more utility makes casters less impact full... so what? They still can do much of exactly what they did before except now everyone else isn't stuck to the same mundane nonsense anymore. There was a reason very few people played non caster or caster hybrids and it was because they where pretty much pigeon holed into "I swing, I swing, I swing, I swing".
They can disarm and gained tons of other options.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Im Saying that the Combat becomes much more "I blast/Swing at you" Heavy, And Im saying that its more gamist. It Makes perfect sense that If Im a fighter, I forget my simpler attacks and only remember the complex ones, It also makes sense that If I can cut tendons only once per day if Im a rouge.
Now its: I Swing....With an Stun!...I Swing...With a Push!....I Swing With an extra few dice of damage! Its not much of a change.
Oh and dont you even begin talking about pigeonholing in 4e!
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild It's not always about "sense" it's about fun. If I have one or two options at all levels the game is going to get very dull (did) very fast. Again this is why there was a far large portion of players (at least in my experience) that played the caster hybrid classes because you had options unlike the rogues, fighters / other types of non-casting classes.
Yes it's like bashing someone in the head or legs instead of just hitting them in an undefined spot over and over.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild (cont) Continuing on Fighter "they lost disarm and sunder".
No, everyone can disarm and while they lost sunder they gained the ability to "knock prone, mark, daze, pull, push, etc, etc, etc"
You lost one thing and gained 20 =/ How is this "less complex".
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Alright, where are the Rules for disarm?
And Why can't I try to smash the Pit fiends +4 Mace?
And this is exactly what I was talking about, the status effects replace too much variations in the battle, like dispell, or moving earth.
And Im saying that the Gained 20 are all very repetitive. The Fighter had less choice, YES. But did real Knights in the world yell out "Im Using my Kakehameha Attack!" Like an anime? Or say "well I used it once so now I cannot use it again.
Lets message about this.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild My mistake with the disarm, suppose our DM added it as a house rule. It instead became a martial power, possibly for monks, uncertain. Either way a simple house rule or utility custom power would fix this (as well as things like sunder).
Where does a fighter have a kamehameha or anything absurd like that? They gain things like attacking a persons hamstrings, bashing them with their shield etc. In the end mechanics sometimes have to trump reality to maintain balance.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Well thats it. Its Breaking logic for the sake of balance.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
(cont) on top of this your complaint wasn't originally "it's unrealistic that class x has these abilities" (which is absurd because you're not talking about realistic, you're talking about a fantasy world with dragons, demons, and other dimensions as well as magic gallore), it was the complexity being lacking which, again, it clearly isn't.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Thats called Alternative reality. Dragons are a norm in that reality. It still follows common logic like "Oh man I swung my sword extra hard once so Now il wait for 8 hours"
Fighters get more Stuff Got it. Im saying the combat is less complex because the fighter gets unrealistic ludacrist moves that he can use a limited times per day, while the creative spells of spellcasters get removed.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild No, those are called rituals, don't ignore them.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild I wonder how that is suppoused to be described "In-game"? You cant use this specific move before next battle but feel free to use another one which you can use only once per day?
If someone likes to ROLEplay, D&D 4th edition gives extra headache...
jonir66 8 months ago
@jonir66 very true
woodwwad 6 months ago
Oh and By Kakehameha I meant
"Now I use "STORM OF DESTRUCTION! YAAAAAAAAAAAH"
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild Oh please that's just so they could give powers decent names, your character yelling that out is depending on the player not the mechanics.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Even if you called it "I Slash Super strongly this time" its still a fighter using a bunch of animesque attacks.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
@TheInsaneSchoolchild No it's not. How is the fighter doing a flurry of blows around him an "anime-esque" attack? Even if you wanted to go with it say, being a burst of fire, how is it absurd that a fighter could have picked up some magic in a place so abundant with it?
Really it sounds your issue is like most players, you don't like change.
Aside from this all it's STILL not addressing your original complaint.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
Because in terms of Content, stuff that you got in one Book (Sorcerer, Druid, Monk, Necromancer, Illusionist, Bard, Gnomes,) where spread out on LOTS of books and editions.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 8 months ago
Yum yum YUMMY!
ROFLMAO
ElfmaidWitch 8 months ago
Here hold this! LMAO
kingrob29 8 months ago
It's official. Kobolds are more awesome than any other race in any version of D&D. Especially if they can be the chosen ones via being shat out of a dragon. XD
LucanVaris 9 months ago
wow.... I actually had that Red Dragon Dung incident happen in one of my campigns... It was gross... and the minitaur in are group kept making us dive in it for shiny objects he found -_-; He was such an idiot.....
GirlInTheFoxHat 9 months ago
Our beeelloooovveeedddd master! *We love you!*
damnarae 9 months ago
trollers ganna troll
curtisthornsberry 10 months ago
but the Troll was right ¬¬
IncursorVerde 10 months ago
every troll deserves to be shit on by a dragon
MrEriklenn 10 months ago
long live 3e
but the troll part was funny =P
DoCWaSaBe 10 months ago
I'm the chosen one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
333lemons 10 months ago
Beloved master! *we love you!*
Crusader2010 10 months ago
If you shit on your critics, don't be surprised when another game overtakes your sales.
Thank you for the miniatures and dungeon tiles. They are excellent.
For rules, I choose Pathfinder.
talhoyle 11 months ago
@talhoyle Nobody seems to like this 4th edition much..Im new to DnD so maybe you could tell me what exactly has been lost? Im having a ball so far, but that might be because i've nothing to compare it to.
hawkbit13 10 months ago
@hawkbit13 I think it's mostly because 4th edition had simplified things a bit, and in that simplification, a number of options that few people used were removed. Among these options were tripping, disarming, and breaking equipment. They also seem to be upset with not being able to have each level they get be in a different class.
They could also hate it for the same reason every other edition after 1st was hated: because it's new and they don't want to switch to a different system.
markermage 10 months ago
@markermage Well, if by a number of options that few people used you mean changing arcane spellcasting to the use of a couple powers and healing to using healing surges then yea, that is why people hate it.
jermox 8 months ago
@jermox A couple of powers and rituals. The powers were mostly for combat stuff while the rituals were for stuff like enchanting items or using magic to unlock a door or to detect various things.
And the healing surges... Have you actually seen how many of them each class gets per day? There seems to be a minimum of 6 + Con modifier, and using one restores 1/4 of their max HP (and some powers can have them restore even more).
So why do they hate those things?
markermage 8 months ago
@markermage Well, maybe we can state that we don't like a different system. If I play a spellcaster I like my list of spells I know, not the same couple of powers and rituals. As far as healing surges, they are just odd. When I cast a healing spell I assume I am healing the target, not allowing them to use a healing surge. I just feel 4e is a whole different system when people wanted an overhaul of the old. Personally, I feel 4e is too cookie cutter as opposed to 3.5 or PF.
jermox 8 months ago
@jermox How are the powers and rituals NOT a list of spells that your spellcaster knows? And why'd you use the word "same" there? You get new rituals in the same way you got new wizard spells in 3rd edition and old powers get replaced by new ones as you level up.
The cleric is able to heal other characters without making them spend a healing surge. Just looking at the first two pages of powers they can get, there's Beacon of Hope and Cure Light Wounds, and that's not counting temporary HP.
markermage 8 months ago
@hawkbit13 Just do yourself a favor and look up Pathfinder. It's the continuation of 3.5
Pgaither84 10 months ago
@Pgaither84 Thanks, but i've no objection to streamlined rules.
hawkbit13 10 months ago
@Krauserowns I think you may be looking at it the wrong way, mabee the reporter is just short in this episode
Raptor2994 11 months ago
@Raptor2994 They could be Dragonborns rather than Kobolds, since Dragonborn are a basic player race now and are taller than most humans
weldonwin 10 months ago
lol...a cute rendition of the greatest opponent (and evil minions) that D&D has ever created!
equarg 11 months ago
xp xp xp xp, hilarious
Dracenfelz 1 year ago
Why are the kobalds so tall?
Krauserowns 1 year ago
Love the Troll.....bluh, bluh, bluh.....translation= bitch, moan, whine, complain....hahahahaha
MILLERTIME352 1 year ago
Are those half-dragons?
vgmaster9 1 year ago
@vgmaster9 kobolds
xferalhumanx 1 year ago
@vgmaster9 sme of them may b kobolds and have sme draconic blood in them albeit extremly diluted
MagnumReaper666 1 year ago
we love you
MaReekaka 1 year ago
I love the Scene with the Adventurer Group^^ "XP! XP! XP! XP! XP!" "FWOOOOASH!" Grilled Adventurers^^
Anthyrion 1 year ago 25
"I am the cosen one" lol those Kobolds are funny.
Gobbygiblet 1 year ago
4th editon thumbs down 3.5 best ever
xod 1 year ago
But you are right, most players simply look at it as a chance to do whatever they want. Which is also sad. Because it doesn't have to be that way.... In fact, it shouldn't be that way. If they can't do that in a regular campaign, what makes them think they can do that an in evil campaign? I never understood that kind of attitude... : /
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
Of course, one has to be careful using that thing (especially the sacerfice (sp?) rules, the players can get out of control very quickly). But it can be very fun (one of my most memorable characters was a diablogist hooked on the drug pain from the book). But I don't think you'll see it make a comeback for 4th edition either. Not with WotC trying to lure new players in, anyway.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
Whoops... I responded to myself. XD
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
Seeing as I have no group to play with right now.... "sigh"
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
Again, not that I'm saying 4th edition doesn't have it's good qualities, but did we really need such a drastic change? Where I live, Pathfinder's really popular, and it's not nearly as drastic...
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
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angrydead 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 The big division where I play is oWoD vs nWoD. It would most likely help if the nWoD players main angle of arguement wasnt "oWoD was shit becouse......"
D&D 4th is quite good mechanically, I'm playing with the idea of running a game with people I know to be good roleplayers only and my own setting-that should give me a better estimate of the games merits. Personally I'd rather just play CoC
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Exactly! The way this new edition is set up seems to foster the Min/Max type of personality! Though it doesn't have to be that way... Like your're doing, you have to find a good, role-playing group that is more interested in their characters as a whole, instead of just focusing on how many orcs they can kill in 10 rounds (I swear to you, I recently saw this on a forum). And as for the little fucking rules nazi, man, you just got to recognize those people before you game with them..
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah and kick them the fuck out of your game.Naturally WoD games draw Goths and emo's (myself was drawn into it being a metalhead). My main gripe is that nWoD players wack off over the improvements failing to realise that the main shortcomings of the previous setting transfered over. (bucket of dice, emo bullshit, kewl katanna wielding dildo's) plus Mages setting is really crap.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Yeah, but if you can get them to calm the hell down, they can be your own portable rule memorizers. I've noticed that if they're just new gamers, they can be helped... But if they're been around for a while, kick them the fuck out of your group. As for nWoD, it really does focus too much on role-playing for me. I like my games to be 50% rp, 50% killing shit. Though I have hope for Virgil. I just bought it recently (it was on sale), and it really does seem like a throw back to oWod.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 As for Mage, I never understood how having psychadilic dreams about towers in wastelands can make you mage... I know it's all supposed to be just symbols, but still... As for vampire, I'm interested more in a 30 Days of Night type of vampire, and all that would get me is a quick, total humanity loss. Which renders my character unplayable... ; (
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 The problem with new mage is it draws too extenssively from one type of wizard for a game that's purely about magic. D&D has more variety in spellcasters.
Vampire is a political game more than anything. You can play monsters but you have to play a monster with internal restraints.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead What wizard type is that? I wasunder the impression that there was a couple of types you could play... Something about mages that could focus on differnet types of spells, like necrmancy vs evocation... Then again, I don't actually have the book
for mage. I was thinking about buying it, to use in a campaign involving hunters...
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Wizards as a class. Yeah but they're all basic extenssion of the same sort of wizard. Consider if 3.5 had only let you play differant brands of Wizards as opposed to Clerics, Druids, Sorcerors etc and this is considering that magic users are the only group in the setting. I wouldnt recommend d&d to play villains, the setting doesnt lend itself to playing scum. Especially considering evil is a palpable thing with mechanics
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Ahhh, I see... So they are all basically wizards with different specialities(sp?). No witches, no warlocks, no one who uses magic in a fundamently different way. Hmmm, sounds kinda... boring.
Maybe not out and out scum, but anti-heroes do, from my experiences, work. And, they offer a different gaming experience without having to go to a new system. In the few evil campaigns I've ran (I'm not a dm very often, but on occassion), I've used the Book of Vile Darkness to great effect.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah this contrasts with mage the ascension where you have 10 spellcasters types in the core book alone. I'm very wary (and frankly weary) of running 'evil'. It usually ends up an outlet for the sad sociopathic fantasy's of players. Oldly Vampire the masquarade may be a good choice for villain games. Path morality allows a pc to retain an ethical core from an 'evil' perspective. For example path of Honerable accord is very lawful neutral/evil.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Aren't those old WoD? Like I said, I've only played that once, and it was Hunter: the Reckoning (no, it was more like three times, and I do remember it as being quite alot of fun). If I was going to play WoD, I'd play Monte Cooks'. I've got the book for that, and it looks real interesting...
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah Vampire the masquerade is most likely one of the better games to run Villains with due to the Sabbat which brings ideological perspective to evil. Plus the path moralities allow a vampires to be construct a moral core without being 'good'. Mind you it's possible to hover around the 4-5 area of the humanity bar quite easily as long as you're evil as opposed to sociopathic.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Soooo.... It's like being lawful evil? Sounds more interesting than the humanity system in the Requiem.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Depends, Path of honerable accord is closer to lawful neutral in a lawful evil society. Path of metamophisis is chaotic evil or Path of Bones which is lawful Evil. The point is that the morality paths have rules and ethics we would describe as 'evil' but still have checks and measure against degeneration. The Humanity system is still the core default path but you can jump to other systems if you're dedicated enough. You can as I've said hover at 4-5 humanity and be evil.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Huh. Weary? How many evil campaigns have you ran? Most gms (it's a more useful broad term) I've met won't even talk about it. Which is quite sad, if you ask me. It's all about careful managing. And setting some ground rules. Most of the player vs player can be managed with requireing everbody to be of LE alignment, and.actually.almost everthing can be taken care of using that alignment.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 3 bad guy campaigns and multiple games with villains in. Lawful evils are genrally better ajusted than teh other evil allignments not in the least becouse they can usually pretend not to be a dick allowing them to function within a good party. In terms of evil most players presume evil to be some sort of demented sociopath, having worked in the police I'm pretty aware that most bad people are capable of restraint and intelligent moves.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Yeah, there's no reason that a group of LEs can't function together. And a LE in a party can be an interesting challange for an experienced player. However, most players want to play a CE character, and it just doesn't work... It's like playing a crazy insane psychopath. And a whole group of them? Man, forget it!
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 The other issue is the tendancy for the Chaotic evil antagonist to be an outlet for the players unsavoury personal shortcomings and god knows roleplayers do enough of that shit anyway.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead Exactly! Vampire is a political game, and I think most people who play D&D aren't really all that interested in politics... That's why we use pre-made campaign settings so much, we don't want to have to go to the trouble of balancing them out ourselves.
And the restraints are bothersome... Your allowed to play a monster, but you really can't use all your powers as you like, or even act like a real monster!
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@angrydead That's why I would tell new D&D gamers who are looking at Vampire, "Hey, if you're looking to play evil, monstrous characters, you got read through that rulebook, because most of the time it's going to frustrate you. If you like that sort of thing, good, go ahead... If not, them I recommend an evil D&D campaign, or something else." And I wish somebody had told me that before I bought the book.
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@angrydead I don't have alot of experience with the old WoD, but if I remember it right (and I only played it once, and that was when I first started gaming) it was more fun than the new WoD. It seems like to me that it had a lot more action... Though last time I played nWoD was with a bunch of over the top emos and goths (I swear, I wanted to kill MYSELF just looking at them). But, the book DOES stress story over action... But I like an equal mixture of both.But I'd even play that now..
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
fkt he reptilian Dracos ruling Earth!
AntiVaccine2 1 year ago
rofl we now know what all internet trolls look like
Abridgedstuffrools 1 year ago
@Abridgedstuffrools We look more like gnomes.
Rawr, I'm a monster. :D
demonjacobs666 1 year ago
That interviewer dies a lot o.o
koga711 1 year ago
rofl!
ClawedMonet12 1 year ago
The troll is the best part
Aizuaka 1 year ago 25
TROLL IN THE VIDEO!!
supermurloc64 1 year ago
1:32 glad to see that d&d respect all those people who shelled out for 1.0,2.0,3.0 and 3.5 and are pissed that they have to eat shit
angrydead 1 year ago 3
@angrydead
lolumad
Scrinoverlord 1 year ago
@angrydead They really don't care... In their bid to draw in new gamers, they just took a dump on all of the old ones. Not that I'm saying 4th edition doesn't have its' good points, but personaly, I'm playing more pathfinder than the new edition. : (
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 The ironic thing is that I'd have most likely let this thing go by now if new addition fans were not such a charming bunch. Mind you the same can be said now nWoD players.
angrydead 1 year ago
@angrydead It's my understanding that they're trying to draw in the MMORPG (roleplaying? man, that's a freaking joke. I've played played card games that had more roleplaying) gamers, and really, what can you expect from them other than "charming".. It's sad to see my favorite pastime (one that I've spent 8 freaking years of my life playing) be brutalized for a bunch of no-imagination, online gamers..
DarthMastadonP90 1 year ago
@DarthMastadonP90 Yeah I played a game of it a few months back, no roleplay just number-cruching. One of the players had the core book on his lap top all the time and was a total rules nazi. One the little fuckers called me a noob becouse I actually acted IC as opposed to maximising my mechanics another actually said 'lol' instead of laughing.
angrydead 1 year ago
kobolds ftw
kurlobe 1 year ago
I love this one :)
blightcraftgamma 1 year ago
yum yum yummy
LordLoco87 1 year ago
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QueenVivian666 1 year ago
interviewer ON A STICK.
nmartinez18 1 year ago 2
In my second D&D pack Igot a Red Dragon
Gig225 1 year ago
PATHFINDER
kaymanklynman 1 year ago
Troll was Trollin!
youngTao 1 year ago 30
@youngTao HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
TheVoraciousSnapmare 1 year ago
rofl go dragon!
drats666 1 year ago
Yum yum yummy! That always cracks me up.
ChasoGod 1 year ago 2
hahahahahahahahaha
DjNEO86 1 year ago
I AM THE CHOSEN ONE! xD
Shinobi1010 1 year ago
they are fuckin kobolds, dumb dumbs.
tyleratthegates 1 year ago
those little lizards look like kobolds to me
HaohmaruOfTheWind 1 year ago
Lol. Deekin flashbacks.
metabog 1 year ago
"i am the chosen one!" lol
ExionSlade 1 year ago
YUM YUM YUMMY!!!
theliberator1 1 year ago
Gods I love Kobolds!
TherianthropeAndrewH 1 year ago
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YUM YUM YUMMY!
WolfieHowl 1 year ago
I love Kobolds.
MithranArkanere 1 year ago
Now I Regret selling My Sealed Epic Red Dragon for $150..... Wanted to make the Scene of Fools yelling "XP," "XP." Poor host into BBQ stick...
diegoreds 1 year ago
I love dragons, so i love this video
SarahET4 1 year ago
Knight:
The Draconic word for canned food.
Lathox 1 year ago
@Lathox Well what would be the word for a soldier armed with a modern day weapon then?
Gruntvc 1 year ago
@Gruntvc
Fast Food. Or just annoying.
Lathox 1 year ago
@Lathox Probably true that lol! Though might have a chance if the opponent is a silver dragon lol! Red Dragon a human is royally screwed unless they've got nukes or something lol!
Gruntvc 1 year ago
@Gruntvc
I do however remember a time when our party was attacked by a red dragon, we had a small black dragon on our side, and my character crited with a frost axe. Needless to say we won.
Lathox 1 year ago
Kobolds are absolutely adorable.
BrightOnimicon 1 year ago