Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
The moralities of some religions are based on the belief in a false talking masculine creator, whom anyone can claim to have His words. At least an atheist is not claiming that the voices in his/her head are from an infallible god.
the statement made by the Rabbi at the end of this part of the Vid should be repeated out loud & often to all his fellow Jewish cohorts in the Illegal occupation with all the death,torture & violence that go`s with it in that made up place stamped over the nation of Palestine! I don't see his kind behaving like good & decent people & he actually said that he dosnt support Bush out of his support for Israel but because he wants to help Muslims! I dont think they want the kind of help hes offering
@HolyknightVader999 Yes and when Jews would not convert at the numbers he wanted, they dropped the whole "you have to be Jewish first" and started preaching to Gentiles. Then they dropped the requirement for the laws of kashrut, Shabbos and...well just about everything so it really does not matter that jesus was a Jew or the first pope was born a Jew. When he first believed jesus died for him, he became a xtian.
But men, pretending to speak for God are worse arbiters of good and evil. And if they are delusional enough to believe in their God, then the problem is even worse.
@DawkinsForWeAreMany smug? rightfully so. I believe you are entitled to some sort of self appreciation if you managed to learn that 2+2=4, i mean, religion is bullshit and the fact that if you cant disprove a claim there is no reason to believe it
Religion doesn't create values. People create values and then collect them together into religions which are later adopted by people like the rabbi here. It is a form of mind control used by those in power and at the same time fulfills a desire in the "average" person to be free of things like guilt and fear of the unknown. The problem with religion is that you have to stop thinking in order to believe, which to some is a blessing and to others impossible.
"I'm a representative of something far greater than myself" - if God really existed, he would immediately strike him with lightning for being fairly pretentious.
@astrothwins Very arrogant to presume one knows what "things greater than he is" want. Who made him a representative? Or does he "talk" to this "greater things"? Did they telll him to represent "them"? That's very arrogant. Ridiculous
Without seeing the debate you can already tell Hitchens will wipe the floor with the rabbi. He was already running away from the pre-debate questionnaire!
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. - George Bernard Shaw.
This rabbi is not worthy of hitchens's time, im serious.
the statement about the atheist world with laws made by man, therefore being altered to fit mans needs.. fuck, thats EVERY fucking religion known to man, look at Islam for fucks sake.
I dislike people who tell me what I can and cannot have based on my lack of beliefs. Believing in other human beings makes morality inevitable. If others have a conciousness congruent to your own, they deserve the same consideration that you yourself do. Period. This is a superior morality to fear of punishment in hell.
"Washington was like taking the vow... becomming a friar...." -- Hitchens not only has an incredible historical vocabulary, but he funny as hell! Hard to debate against someone with so many tools at his disposal.
man taught about moral and promote it throught out religion ,religion does not give moral, i am an atheist and i have good value and moral i certainly do not need religion to tells me what s bad what is not i just have to see whats my action create around me analyse than thing if its good or not
Htichens is very literate. The rabbi beats him as far as raw intelligence. Hitchens loses the next debate against the rabbi because he is often unable to control his anger.
Boteach is helpless. He says "law is arbitrary" as if that's some unique revelation, or as it's negative.
If we DIDN'T reject the morality of primitive religious texts and substitute our arbitrary and superior laws . . . we'd still be stoning homosexuals, forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, stoning disobedient children, etc. etc.
Can one actually state that the law of the Old Testament is superior to our modern laws without looking like a fool, or at least barbaric?
He says "morality" is arbitrary without God. He's right. Without a moral authority then there can be no morality. Mankind cannot create a coherent system of morality if every man is capable of defining his own moral code.
No man made system of law is superior/inferior. Secular law seems arbitrary because it responds to change. New laws for new circumstances. According to you, law would be moving toward a state of perfection.
You want to be an intellectual snob. You're half way there.
Law may be SOMEWHAT arbitrary---but religious law is entirely arbitrary. Go on a green light, stop on a red---while arbitrary in one sense (we could use different colors even though there is evidence red and green are easier to see than other colors), serves a useful purpose that is not arbitrary. Religious law, don't eat selfish, is entirely arbitrary. By his own standard, his law comes off as worse.
There is a basic morality that is similar among the multitude of religions (murder=bad, compassion=good). Since only one could be a "true work of God," what about the rest? This demonstrates that man has an innate knowledge of morality, apart from special revelation from a god(s).
Why does arguing morals make the existance of god any more real? Is it a case of religious people knowing they can't argue a case for a god so they argue something completely irrelevant instead.
Why do theists always claim that morals come from religion, when we can see clear examples of small tribes that have remained separate from all mainstream religions and yet developed their own moral system?
Even animals can develop their own moral system, but do you think this is due to religion or reading the Bible?
I can't speak on behalf of Judaism, but like Evangelical Christianity (which is predominantly Calvinist) they believe in complete depravity, or that after the fall of Adam and Eve, man was incapable of being good without being in tune with God. Obviously this theology is wrong because the tree of knowledge gave the knowledge of good and evil, meaning even in religion man has the capacity to do good under their own free will. So, the answer is flawed theology.
"Why do theists always claim that morals come from religion.."
i've often wondered that myself, and i think it really is a fundamental failure to recognize that morals are just what a society decides it does and does not want....not necessarily some rules handed down from spirits or deities. religion codifies morality, and often perpetuates it, but it usually does not create it 'all on its own'.
if you mean ww2 then it started before the camps and i might be wrong but not much attention was given towards the camps during the war, i think most of the deathcamps came into knowlege near the end of the war however i may be wrong
The death camps were known about for quite some time before anything was done about them and much was known about what was going on. In fact, I can't remember the exact words, but Churchill said something along the lines of what was happening to the Jews was not our concern. As I say, I can't remember the actual quote so maybe someone else can fill that one in.
there was no war to save the jews or the german homosexuals/jehovas witnesses/social democrats/communists, gpysies etc etc in the death camps of the nationalsocialists. thats not why britain and france declared war on nazi germany. stop bullshitting yourself.
Big time. He claimed that the study of genetics without a faith in god would result in racism. Which is ironic considering that genetics has disproven the idea of race and the bible introduces it. He didnt do his religion any favours in his debate with Hitchens.
OMG OMG does this guy love punishment or what? he ive already seen him humiliated by hitchens more than once. does he so lack selfe awareness that he can't tell when even poeple who beleive in his fairie tales laugh at his swiss cheese logic and childishly sophistic reasoning?
3:43 "When you remove religious values, what do you get in return" Secularist, Humanist and Rationalist values? Atheism is merely the rejection of a god through the use of a rational arguement. Being an Atheist describes how I obtain and process the information that I'm given about understanding my sorroundings. Meaning rather than taking anything on blind faith, i require some sort of rational evidence. The way i then apply this to the world would be through the ideas of Secularism and Humanism
if there was one shred of evidence for religion in any category, it would at least then have a chance. until then, all this is pointless in a sense. the religious can't win. ever.
Is it just me ? Since I was a child (52 now) all religious leaders Christian,Jewish or islamic make my flesh crawl. Dont know why. I just never met or saw one I trusted. I think Its because I cant trust anyone who could believe such utter rubbish.This Rabbi is the worst so far. Seams smart and intelligent. I suppose he will never know. Even in death ! SAD SAD SAD
he says atheism is the absence of something,therefore it can't have values...bullshit,first,atheism simply means one is not seduced by theology.whether or not one can get along well with others is entirely up to the individual and has nothing to do with theism or atheism.just another piece of theistic propaganda of trying to turn atheism into one of their ignorant belief systems.
My parents taught me, and reading about what happened to people who broke the law (human Law) filled in the gaps.Computer Hacking is against the law but it wasn't in the ten commandments.
Empathy. If you can place yourself in other peoples shoes, it reduces the chances of doing harm to others. That can be augmented with laws, family values, education and society. People that dont have empathy are psychopaths and sociopaths.
We must stop genocide where it happens. But those in palestine don`t count because they are on the jews land. Says so in the bible, Jews own it.
What a crock of schit. Rabbi speaks of 6 million dead jews but he never mentions the other 50 million people who died because they are not jews. How many of the 50 million are dead because they were helpng the jews. We`ve come full circle and the jews are the oppressors. God works in weird evilo ways.
Wow, don't know if anyone else caught it but Rabbi Shmuley, who I happen to like, made a comment about 'faith' at around 7:30 or so. He is a practicing Jew? There is NO concept or teaching of 'faith' in the Torah. That is a completely Christian idea and not at all Jewish as any Rabbi I know of will tell you if asked. Interesting.
Boteach is a "foremost thinker"?! What a fucking laugh. To wit: "Well, uh, atheism is about an absence, a void; it's saying 'there is no god'..." (3:32)
Not even close, Rabbi. Atheism is simply and literally a lack of belief in a god. Do you believe in the literal existence of Zeus? Well, if not, you are an atheist vis-a-vis Zeus, just as I am an atheist vis-a-vis your Yahweh. Do you have an "absence" of Zeus-ness in your life? A Zeus-shaped "void"?
atheism is the active decision not to believe in the proposition of a God. Reserving judgement, simply lacking a belief or judgement on the subject, would be agnosticism.
I don't think that the 'you have a religion just as much as me though' is a valid argument anyway, though.
"I disagree with this definition. atheism is the active decision not to believe in the proposition of a God."
If your definition were true, then every monotheist would also, by definition be an atheist, since every Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc., makes an "active decision to not believe in the proposition of" every other claimed god.
An Atheist chooses to purposely reject the proposition of any God. A Christian does not - A deist does not.
So no, although they may be atheistic about other Gods, they aren't Atheists.
Too many people classify their Atheism incorrectly. They say 'we simply lack belief,' when actually, they have actively rejected the proposition. Their point still stands, they just need to re-word it.
the schmuk Rabbi says that atheism can't impart values! and that without faith we have no concept of law. that is complete nonsense. he talks about compassion yet in the OT the Isrealites are clearly muderous and totalitarian.
1) The rabbi is wrong is saying that there are no moral without religion and Hitch always disproves this point with his Samuel Johnson example. BTW if law were not to change, those who work on Sunday should be killed, etc. etc. - real stone age stuff.
2) I really agree with what the rabbi says around 5:40. Those who can stop genocide have a moral obligation to do so (I have the feeling Hitch thinks the same).
I agree with that. But obviously the rabbi is wrong when he talks about morality. There are many passages in the old testament which even the rabbi throws away in regard to morality. This shows that his man made arbitration has been used even in his supposed god given morality.
Thanks! Great job fixing my spelling mistakes in a youtube video comment. Have you ever realised english is not the first language of every person on earth?
Thanks! Great job fixing my spelling mistakes in a youtube video comment. Have you ever realised english is not the first language of every person on earth?
One whoole I found in the Rabbi's perspective is that God and religion must exist and be true for without it man would have no morals to govern himself. Also states man is not a good arbiter of good and evil, incapable of police oneself but yet he supports President Bush and the US obviously acting as an arbiter for Middle East. WOW, what a contradiction.
well its a contradiction depending on the perspective you see it from. whether or not the US is a "good" influence in the middle east.
on your angle of interpretation i agree that since we have neither shown (in my opinion) good or evil tendencies with the middle east but rather confusion, it shows we are completely absent in the ability to be an arbiter of good OR evil.
the USA has made these decisions not out of good or evil though. we've taken this approach with interest, not justice.
why would god make chris? its like me making a poison specifically designed to kill me, and loaded into a gun that only shoots when its pointed at me only me.
Who cares about the debate, look at that hot girl with bouncing boobs and nice thighs walking by at 2;30. at 7;22, look how the jew trys to squirm away and dodge questions
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why don't you suck his dick Jackoffhizzle alreaady. Jeez, or maake a statue of him and worship it as a false idol since you hold him at such high regaard. TOOL.
Hitch never ceases to amaze. His comments about Paglia and Dowd are spot-on, and he's hilarious regarding Laura Bush. What a character, and what an intellectual.
I think it would be awesome if one day God showed up in a church (or mosque, or synagogue), completely pissed off about the fact that for millennia people have been pretending to know what he wants us to do and what not to do. Then, in a moment of spontaneous clarity decides that the only way out of this mess is to kill himself, and so he commits seppuku, leaving every believer rudderless, only to have them realize years later that it really didn't change anything.
atheism is only an absence or a void it you have no eyes, ears, nose, hands, etc... life is too full to waste time on imaginary friends, or dictators, as hitchens would suggest. schmuley may not be able to think outside the book, but really, others can.
The rabbi totally contradicts himself when hw talks up 'ethical religion' having just told us that our ethics come from religion. Now he is telling us that there is a subset of religion that is ethical. How on earth can that be determined unless looked at from outside religion?
We have free will because we have no choice? I'm not following that. I was expecting this rabbi to be smarter, not a fountain of bromides and old chestnuts. Why don't the put Hitch up against an 8 year old.
Let's face it, there aren't too many people in the world that Hitch couldn't make look as intellectual as an 8 year old. The religious just make it too easy for him.
He's just making a paradoxical joke about free will.People talk about determinism and how everything is governed by some sort of natural law (physical,chemical,etc)so there isn't really free will which people find annoying.But,the paradox is that if there is such a thing as free will then that too is deterministic because its something which we have no choice over.You're not free to not have free will.
Got ya. I had a different understanding, in that although we do not actually pocess free will on any level (IMO), We have to pretend that it exists in order to have a society. One has to be responsible for ones 'actions'. Just because a serial killer was raped as a kid, we still have to lock him up. His path was determined, but if we act as if it were, we are fucked. That's what I thought he meant by having no choice.
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
So there you go, it is an abomination to eat shrimp...Where would we all be without such a divinely inspired moral code..Oh yeah, having problems with the kids, kill em (Deut. 21:18-21)
Boteach says that humans are incapable of coming up with moral laws. Idiot. Who is it that decides that the morality of the old testament is scandalously barbaric? Humans. Not the scripture itself
He spends his hole time repeating the claim that religion represents unalterable and solid morality. (btw. I love his providing of an expediant and logical reason for the support of religion rather than suggesting it's true)
Then at the end of the clp he says Extremists are bad because he wants 'ethical' religion. Where the fuck do his ethics come from?
Where is the religious texts that say ALL humans are equal regardless of race or religion??
The rationale behind the German peasant revolt was an appeal to the genesis. All humans are godlike, all are descendants of A. and E. and thus have an equal right to rule the earth. Stoics and Enlightment philosophers did the same using the term "nature" instead of god (for why "god"="nature" see b.spinoza :p), hence "natural rights".
Thank you for your response. I have read Spinoza and understand your point. However, I feel the Rabbi's 'ethics' might have been different in 1660 to those he professes or indeed adheres to today. Besides, that very same appeal to the genesis is not without fault. It is floored by the consistant problem of the lack of consistancy within the testament. Selective reading if you will.
"You'll never dislocate your neck walking down Washington Blvd, try as you like." LMFAO
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Well, I agree with Hitchens on many things - but finding Laura Bush attractive is going to far.
craigpsimpson 2 months ago 3
I like this weird song
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
2:27 difficult to see details, but she appears to be uber sexy.
Clifton100 3 months ago
The moralities of some religions are based on the belief in a false talking masculine creator, whom anyone can claim to have His words. At least an atheist is not claiming that the voices in his/her head are from an infallible god.
freddyeddyr 5 months ago
the statement made by the Rabbi at the end of this part of the Vid should be repeated out loud & often to all his fellow Jewish cohorts in the Illegal occupation with all the death,torture & violence that go`s with it in that made up place stamped over the nation of Palestine! I don't see his kind behaving like good & decent people & he actually said that he dosnt support Bush out of his support for Israel but because he wants to help Muslims! I dont think they want the kind of help hes offering
paulspydar 5 months ago
So according to Boteach, secular law is imperfect because it can be altered.
Does he still believe stoning witches or homosexuals to death is legally sound? Because if not, he sounds like a legal revisionist to me.
mymentor 7 months ago
@mymentor Unless he counts Jesus' annulment of such laws, then he is revisionist.
Remember, today's Jews "kinda accept" Jesus.
HolyknightVader999 5 months ago
@HolyknightVader999 Not a true Jew. No. No real religious Jew accepts jesus as any type of messiah and jews for jesus are xtians, not Jews
DarkQuietWyattON 3 months ago
@DarkQuietWyattON Actually the first pope was a Jew. he didn't want anyone to become a Christian until they were certified Jews.
HolyknightVader999 3 months ago
@HolyknightVader999 Yes and when Jews would not convert at the numbers he wanted, they dropped the whole "you have to be Jewish first" and started preaching to Gentiles. Then they dropped the requirement for the laws of kashrut, Shabbos and...well just about everything so it really does not matter that jesus was a Jew or the first pope was born a Jew. When he first believed jesus died for him, he became a xtian.
DarkQuietWyattON 3 months ago
But men, pretending to speak for God are worse arbiters of good and evil. And if they are delusional enough to believe in their God, then the problem is even worse.
Hypatia1951 7 months ago
@DawkinsForWeAreMany So are you an atheist? You sound pretty smug with your assessment.
jonisaok 7 months ago
Watching this, Hitchens won this debate....before the debate started!
dblacky1977 7 months ago
@DawkinsForWeAreMany smug? rightfully so. I believe you are entitled to some sort of self appreciation if you managed to learn that 2+2=4, i mean, religion is bullshit and the fact that if you cant disprove a claim there is no reason to believe it
R2rGangstaFC 7 months ago
So men can modify laws written on paper to suit his own needs Hmm... Guess people were just more honest back in the 7th century.
argo984 9 months ago
Creationists have sex with BBQ CHICKENS.
ExNihiloJimmy 10 months ago 4
0:18-0:47
Nice introduction, thisworldprogramming. By the way, is that a Yiddish folksong in the beginning?
writersblock26 10 months ago
Smugness and ignorance seem to go hand in hand, don't they Rabbi ..?
trevorjsyrad 11 months ago
I could've sworn I saw at least two good looking women walk by as that interview took place with Hitchens.
NateKirch 1 year ago
Religion doesn't create values. People create values and then collect them together into religions which are later adopted by people like the rabbi here. It is a form of mind control used by those in power and at the same time fulfills a desire in the "average" person to be free of things like guilt and fear of the unknown. The problem with religion is that you have to stop thinking in order to believe, which to some is a blessing and to others impossible.
Damienf77 1 year ago 2
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carsanookdotcom 1 year ago
"I'm a representative of something far greater than myself" - if God really existed, he would immediately strike him with lightning for being fairly pretentious.
javaskin 1 year ago
The best part is Boteach's screaming in order to win the higher ground.
/sarcasm
//can't stand the douchbag
twosixteen 1 year ago
what's that rabbi shmuling about?
edgaristtod 1 year ago
big nose hehe
alexhamster1134 1 year ago
"not a lot of people cared that 6 million jews were being slaughtered wholesale" Is this guy for real?
jimbob1969 1 year ago
Anyone else feel that Shmuley's term, "Wholesale slaughter" strange?
eseskay99 1 year ago
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the rabbi said he is the representative of something greater far than himself!
How ARROGANT is that!!!
jalopez270668 1 year ago
the rabbi said he is the representative of something greater than himself!
How ARROGANT is that!!!
jalopez270668 1 year ago 5
@jalopez270668 Not arrogant at all; most things are greater than he is.
astrothwins 1 year ago 2
@astrothwins Very arrogant to presume one knows what "things greater than he is" want. Who made him a representative? Or does he "talk" to this "greater things"? Did they telll him to represent "them"? That's very arrogant. Ridiculous
jalopez270668 1 year ago
Shmuley is a closet case.
gombis666 1 year ago
if god flows through shmuley (like he said b4 the debate) then there is no god. haha shmuley got killed in this debate
gary031183 1 year ago 3
3:35 and clearly this rabbi isn't burdened by an overabundance of critical thought.
Phelan666 1 year ago
Hitchens is becoming the definition of cool in my eyes.
DarkAngelSupreme 1 year ago 5
Let it just flow through me! Looks like the Rabbi had a blockage.
iananthonyjames 1 year ago
You'll never dislocate your neck walking down connecticut avenue...rofl.
AsSomedayItMayHappen 1 year ago
Rabbi Shmuley just got schooley'd.
AsSomedayItMayHappen 1 year ago
@emuholic: agreed...he has enormous sexual charisma;)
magicpony9 1 year ago
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Sabohaque 1 year ago
Without seeing the debate you can already tell Hitchens will wipe the floor with the rabbi. He was already running away from the pre-debate questionnaire!
qwertyness4 1 year ago 3
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. - George Bernard Shaw.
5anthonys 1 year ago
i don't see this idiot stoning his unruly children!
annata12 1 year ago
Jackie was a lovely lady.......
erihan9 1 year ago
Hitchens makes all "goddists" look fools. They ARE fools.
Pugophile 1 year ago
Schmuley is an arrogant fool with an overly developed sense of superiority.
aguteempasil 1 year ago
This rabbi is not worthy of hitchens's time, im serious.
the statement about the atheist world with laws made by man, therefore being altered to fit mans needs.. fuck, thats EVERY fucking religion known to man, look at Islam for fucks sake.
Tait011 1 year ago 2
Lol hitchens face at 1.14!!
JoseWhon 1 year ago 2
laura bush= MILF? I'd sooner do Michelle Obama, or maybe sarah palin! but meh!
pugay69 1 year ago 2
I dislike people who tell me what I can and cannot have based on my lack of beliefs. Believing in other human beings makes morality inevitable. If others have a conciousness congruent to your own, they deserve the same consideration that you yourself do. Period. This is a superior morality to fear of punishment in hell.
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
Hitchens "...there's only a pretense that there's a way around that."
Man, this dude is cool.
fexdid 1 year ago
hitchens is the man
littlteapot 1 year ago
What the fuck kind of questions is this kid asking...
MvNPTI 2 years ago 2
@MvNPTI Interesting ones!!!
pugay69 1 year ago
"Washington was like taking the vow... becomming a friar...." -- Hitchens not only has an incredible historical vocabulary, but he funny as hell! Hard to debate against someone with so many tools at his disposal.
ConquerorWorm2012 2 years ago 27
hitch's little quip about Free will is very similar to Sartres' remark about being condemned to be free
noirgris0 2 years ago
man taught about moral and promote it throught out religion ,religion does not give moral, i am an atheist and i have good value and moral i certainly do not need religion to tells me what s bad what is not i just have to see whats my action create around me analyse than thing if its good or not
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Htichens is very literate. The rabbi beats him as far as raw intelligence. Hitchens loses the next debate against the rabbi because he is often unable to control his anger.
TiberiusDominus 2 years ago
is this on dvd too? official or fanmade?
toneshun 2 years ago
Boteach is helpless. He says "law is arbitrary" as if that's some unique revelation, or as it's negative.
If we DIDN'T reject the morality of primitive religious texts and substitute our arbitrary and superior laws . . . we'd still be stoning homosexuals, forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, stoning disobedient children, etc. etc.
Can one actually state that the law of the Old Testament is superior to our modern laws without looking like a fool, or at least barbaric?
KarlVasquez 2 years ago 40
He says "morality" is arbitrary without God. He's right. Without a moral authority then there can be no morality. Mankind cannot create a coherent system of morality if every man is capable of defining his own moral code.
No man made system of law is superior/inferior. Secular law seems arbitrary because it responds to change. New laws for new circumstances. According to you, law would be moving toward a state of perfection.
You want to be an intellectual snob. You're half way there.
enzothebaker9 1 year ago 2
@KarlVasquez
Law may be SOMEWHAT arbitrary---but religious law is entirely arbitrary. Go on a green light, stop on a red---while arbitrary in one sense (we could use different colors even though there is evidence red and green are easier to see than other colors), serves a useful purpose that is not arbitrary. Religious law, don't eat selfish, is entirely arbitrary. By his own standard, his law comes off as worse.
Hypatia1951 7 months ago
There is a basic morality that is similar among the multitude of religions (murder=bad, compassion=good). Since only one could be a "true work of God," what about the rest? This demonstrates that man has an innate knowledge of morality, apart from special revelation from a god(s).
trout77x 2 years ago
Why does arguing morals make the existance of god any more real? Is it a case of religious people knowing they can't argue a case for a god so they argue something completely irrelevant instead.
mattyabsley 2 years ago 6
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Atheist? Please. The afterlife has recently been scientifically confirmed. The world will never be the same.
Look up Does Account.
rollingbill 2 years ago
Why do theists always claim that morals come from religion, when we can see clear examples of small tribes that have remained separate from all mainstream religions and yet developed their own moral system?
Even animals can develop their own moral system, but do you think this is due to religion or reading the Bible?
JasonJarred 2 years ago 3
I can't speak on behalf of Judaism, but like Evangelical Christianity (which is predominantly Calvinist) they believe in complete depravity, or that after the fall of Adam and Eve, man was incapable of being good without being in tune with God. Obviously this theology is wrong because the tree of knowledge gave the knowledge of good and evil, meaning even in religion man has the capacity to do good under their own free will. So, the answer is flawed theology.
AcademicTheologian 2 years ago
"Why do theists always claim that morals come from religion.."
i've often wondered that myself, and i think it really is a fundamental failure to recognize that morals are just what a society decides it does and does not want....not necessarily some rules handed down from spirits or deities. religion codifies morality, and often perpetuates it, but it usually does not create it 'all on its own'.
naard 2 years ago 4
A debate between "two foremost thinkers"? The moderator must be joking.
lipsbach 2 years ago
He was.
faithisfiction 2 years ago
Does that Rabbi REALLY believe his argument do you think ?
skankystu 2 years ago
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"Not a lot of people cared that 6 million jew were being slaughtered wholesale..."
Did I miss something? Didn't we have a war?
HumanStrategy 2 years ago
if you mean ww2 then it started before the camps and i might be wrong but not much attention was given towards the camps during the war, i think most of the deathcamps came into knowlege near the end of the war however i may be wrong
anidoodles 2 years ago
The death camps were known about for quite some time before anything was done about them and much was known about what was going on. In fact, I can't remember the exact words, but Churchill said something along the lines of what was happening to the Jews was not our concern. As I say, I can't remember the actual quote so maybe someone else can fill that one in.
Lesia44 2 years ago
there was no war to save the jews or the german homosexuals/jehovas witnesses/social democrats/communists, gpysies etc etc in the death camps of the nationalsocialists. thats not why britain and france declared war on nazi germany. stop bullshitting yourself.
ToiToiToiHerrKaleun 2 years ago
We didn't have a war based on atheistic (humanistic) premises. We had a war because of the rogue nature of human beings.
EmpSci 2 years ago
"We didn't have a war based on atheistic (humanistic) premises."
You must have meant to put this response to someone else. I was mocking the Rabbi about this one. I'm an atheist myself.
HumanStrategy 2 years ago
Rabi - 0
Hitchens - 650.000
viewtiful12345 2 years ago 4
Boteach's head is emptier than a hermits address book.
nickyact1 2 years ago
Big time. He claimed that the study of genetics without a faith in god would result in racism. Which is ironic considering that genetics has disproven the idea of race and the bible introduces it. He didnt do his religion any favours in his debate with Hitchens.
Freshhhhh1982 2 years ago 3
Indeed. The man is a complete spanner.
nickyact1 2 years ago
On the Holocaust: "Not alot of people cared." Yeah that's why the WORLD went war.
"All of our values are based on faith." Wonder what the world would be like if they weren't.
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
HAHAHA. "Man can modify those laws to satisfy his needs." What the fuck do you call a papal decree you retard...
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
OMG OMG does this guy love punishment or what? he ive already seen him humiliated by hitchens more than once. does he so lack selfe awareness that he can't tell when even poeple who beleive in his fairie tales laugh at his swiss cheese logic and childishly sophistic reasoning?
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
If this is the best the Rabi has to offer, I see a major thrashing comming.
Time to get some popcorn :-)
Xigano1 2 years ago
3:43 "When you remove religious values, what do you get in return" Secularist, Humanist and Rationalist values? Atheism is merely the rejection of a god through the use of a rational arguement. Being an Atheist describes how I obtain and process the information that I'm given about understanding my sorroundings. Meaning rather than taking anything on blind faith, i require some sort of rational evidence. The way i then apply this to the world would be through the ideas of Secularism and Humanism
southerndandy89 2 years ago
if there was one shred of evidence for religion in any category, it would at least then have a chance. until then, all this is pointless in a sense. the religious can't win. ever.
johnnondrowsyd 2 years ago
Is it just me ? Since I was a child (52 now) all religious leaders Christian,Jewish or islamic make my flesh crawl. Dont know why. I just never met or saw one I trusted. I think Its because I cant trust anyone who could believe such utter rubbish.This Rabbi is the worst so far. Seams smart and intelligent. I suppose he will never know. Even in death ! SAD SAD SAD
grengd 2 years ago
I knew from about the age of 6 that religion was BS.
lewisner 2 years ago
he says atheism is the absence of something,therefore it can't have values...bullshit,first,atheism simply means one is not seduced by theology.whether or not one can get along well with others is entirely up to the individual and has nothing to do with theism or atheism.just another piece of theistic propaganda of trying to turn atheism into one of their ignorant belief systems.
8radiostar 2 years ago 2
Boteaches idea that values come from religion is nonsense.We have Human values.
lewisner 2 years ago
yes but how can we distinguish good human values from bad ones?
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
My parents taught me, and reading about what happened to people who broke the law (human Law) filled in the gaps.Computer Hacking is against the law but it wasn't in the ten commandments.
lewisner 2 years ago
Empathy. If you can place yourself in other peoples shoes, it reduces the chances of doing harm to others. That can be augmented with laws, family values, education and society. People that dont have empathy are psychopaths and sociopaths.
Freshhhhh1982 2 years ago
Yeah i know, i was just being sarcastic
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
Um....where is the debate?? You ask questions of Hitchens regarding Anna Wintour and Kitty Kelly...how lame is this?
dolafbrown 2 years ago
thank god for devine values that cannot be made up arbitrary by men: don't eat shrips! (leviticus)
7hkey 2 years ago
i misspelled shrimps...
7hkey 2 years ago
...and divine.
dolafbrown 2 years ago
thanks!
7hkey 2 years ago
We must stop genocide where it happens. But those in palestine don`t count because they are on the jews land. Says so in the bible, Jews own it.
What a crock of schit. Rabbi speaks of 6 million dead jews but he never mentions the other 50 million people who died because they are not jews. How many of the 50 million are dead because they were helpng the jews. We`ve come full circle and the jews are the oppressors. God works in weird evilo ways.
buddcinder 2 years ago
The brilliant thing about Hitchens is that: Anybody can make a priest or a Rabbi look like an idiot. But he does it so well!
ArticulateAtheist 2 years ago 4
Wow, don't know if anyone else caught it but Rabbi Shmuley, who I happen to like, made a comment about 'faith' at around 7:30 or so. He is a practicing Jew? There is NO concept or teaching of 'faith' in the Torah. That is a completely Christian idea and not at all Jewish as any Rabbi I know of will tell you if asked. Interesting.
phildon44 2 years ago
Boteach is a "foremost thinker"?! What a fucking laugh. To wit: "Well, uh, atheism is about an absence, a void; it's saying 'there is no god'..." (3:32)
Not even close, Rabbi. Atheism is simply and literally a lack of belief in a god. Do you believe in the literal existence of Zeus? Well, if not, you are an atheist vis-a-vis Zeus, just as I am an atheist vis-a-vis your Yahweh. Do you have an "absence" of Zeus-ness in your life? A Zeus-shaped "void"?
bricology 2 years ago 3
I disagree with this definition.
atheism is the active decision not to believe in the proposition of a God. Reserving judgement, simply lacking a belief or judgement on the subject, would be agnosticism.
I don't think that the 'you have a religion just as much as me though' is a valid argument anyway, though.
molewizard 2 years ago
"I disagree with this definition. atheism is the active decision not to believe in the proposition of a God."
If your definition were true, then every monotheist would also, by definition be an atheist, since every Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc., makes an "active decision to not believe in the proposition of" every other claimed god.
Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.
bricology 2 years ago
An Atheist chooses to purposely reject the proposition of any God. A Christian does not - A deist does not.
So no, although they may be atheistic about other Gods, they aren't Atheists.
Too many people classify their Atheism incorrectly. They say 'we simply lack belief,' when actually, they have actively rejected the proposition. Their point still stands, they just need to re-word it.
molewizard 2 years ago
LOL you won't dislocate your neck
MiracleOfRealism 2 years ago
the schmuk Rabbi says that atheism can't impart values! and that without faith we have no concept of law. that is complete nonsense. he talks about compassion yet in the OT the Isrealites are clearly muderous and totalitarian.
upaste 2 years ago 3
I don't get it. Hitchens is just discussing about women and Rabbi Shmuley keeps getting the issues.
GoogleVideoMan 2 years ago
Hitchens is schooling him, you're right you don't get it.
cupocity303 2 years ago
I like Boteach, but he can't go up against a brainiac like Hitchens.
TricksterElf 3 years ago
I have to say that
1) The rabbi is wrong is saying that there are no moral without religion and Hitch always disproves this point with his Samuel Johnson example. BTW if law were not to change, those who work on Sunday should be killed, etc. etc. - real stone age stuff.
2) I really agree with what the rabbi says around 5:40. Those who can stop genocide have a moral obligation to do so (I have the feeling Hitch thinks the same).
AlanCom1 3 years ago
I agree with that. But obviously the rabbi is wrong when he talks about morality. There are many passages in the old testament which even the rabbi throws away in regard to morality. This shows that his man made arbitration has been used even in his supposed god given morality.
TheStig000 3 years ago 5
@thestig000:
I agree with you, friend. Excellent comment!
AlanCom1 3 years ago
The rabbi's repeated point that atheism can't provide values is moot. It's like claiming that non-believers in the tooth fairy can't loose teeth.
pdema030 3 years ago 2
I lost a teeth last week and i dont believe in the tooth fairy. Explain that mr. "atheist"!
prebenfisk 3 years ago
a tooth.
lord69z 3 years ago
Thanks! Great job fixing my spelling mistakes in a youtube video comment. Have you ever realised english is not the first language of every person on earth?
prebenfisk 3 years ago
You seem to be doing a great job of it right now :)
Just helping - Some people welcome a slight correction.
lord69z 3 years ago
You have poor dental hygene (and grammar)?
Kidding, kidding... let's not get testy!
pdema030 3 years ago
hygiene !!!
dreadlockswoman 3 years ago
Thanks! Great job fixing my spelling mistakes in a youtube video comment. Have you ever realised english is not the first language of every person on earth?
pdema030 3 years ago
One whoole I found in the Rabbi's perspective is that God and religion must exist and be true for without it man would have no morals to govern himself. Also states man is not a good arbiter of good and evil, incapable of police oneself but yet he supports President Bush and the US obviously acting as an arbiter for Middle East. WOW, what a contradiction.
Luiches 3 years ago
well its a contradiction depending on the perspective you see it from. whether or not the US is a "good" influence in the middle east.
on your angle of interpretation i agree that since we have neither shown (in my opinion) good or evil tendencies with the middle east but rather confusion, it shows we are completely absent in the ability to be an arbiter of good OR evil.
the USA has made these decisions not out of good or evil though. we've taken this approach with interest, not justice.
visualkei72 3 years ago
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zebrasw7 3 years ago 2
christopher hitchens is quite sexy really isn't he
emuholic 3 years ago 22
@emuholic WELL IF..you like that sort of thing::))
kevrs2 1 year ago
@emuholic - He has the most deliciously sexy voice I've ever heard!
CaledoniaJeanne 1 year ago
why would god make chris? its like me making a poison specifically designed to kill me, and loaded into a gun that only shoots when its pointed at me only me.
Bockatadi 3 years ago
Bockatadi, you make a very good point. If there is a creator, why the hell would he create atheists?
hackenbollox 3 years ago
good lord. hitches has already won this debate. sorry videos 2-xx, waste of time.
Largehippo 3 years ago 3
Boteach is a dolt.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 3 years ago
Christopher Hitchens, you beautiful man.
alltwisty 3 years ago
hm...looking forward to hearing this. i saw another hitchens boteach debate and it was a quite entertaining floor wiping.
zapopaul 3 years ago
"Clearly atheism can impart no values".
Oh, the arrogance.
What a weasel. And what is so "clear" about this?
Yet another one of Oprah's lap dogs, rabbi shlimey is his own worst enemy.
siriusisastar 3 years ago
Who cares about the debate, look at that hot girl with bouncing boobs and nice thighs walking by at 2;30. at 7;22, look how the jew trys to squirm away and dodge questions
kilm25 3 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
why don't you suck his dick Jackoffhizzle alreaady. Jeez, or maake a statue of him and worship it as a false idol since you hold him at such high regaard. TOOL.
eggsandwich8885 3 years ago
Hitch never ceases to amaze. His comments about Paglia and Dowd are spot-on, and he's hilarious regarding Laura Bush. What a character, and what an intellectual.
Jackinthehizzle 3 years ago 6
LOL he looked quite annoyed
requiemdexter 3 years ago
I think it would be awesome if one day God showed up in a church (or mosque, or synagogue), completely pissed off about the fact that for millennia people have been pretending to know what he wants us to do and what not to do. Then, in a moment of spontaneous clarity decides that the only way out of this mess is to kill himself, and so he commits seppuku, leaving every believer rudderless, only to have them realize years later that it really didn't change anything.
666Luftballons 3 years ago 2
Maybe an experiment will be a valuable tool too see if religion is a must of not.
itrod123 3 years ago
atheism is only an absence or a void it you have no eyes, ears, nose, hands, etc... life is too full to waste time on imaginary friends, or dictators, as hitchens would suggest. schmuley may not be able to think outside the book, but really, others can.
hibiscus929 3 years ago 2
"I'm a representative of something far greater than myself" !!!
What pathetic arrogance.
ammonjerro47 3 years ago 10
Shmuley is a shmuck.
saelaird 3 years ago 7
unfortunatly man is the only arbiter we have
david552 3 years ago
wHAT?
plimbuff 3 years ago
The rabbi totally contradicts himself when hw talks up 'ethical religion' having just told us that our ethics come from religion. Now he is telling us that there is a subset of religion that is ethical. How on earth can that be determined unless looked at from outside religion?
artyfarty2 3 years ago 3
We have free will because we have no choice? I'm not following that. I was expecting this rabbi to be smarter, not a fountain of bromides and old chestnuts. Why don't the put Hitch up against an 8 year old.
prayfertrey 3 years ago 2
Let's face it, there aren't too many people in the world that Hitch couldn't make look as intellectual as an 8 year old. The religious just make it too easy for him.
artyfarty2 3 years ago 6
He's just making a paradoxical joke about free will.People talk about determinism and how everything is governed by some sort of natural law (physical,chemical,etc)so there isn't really free will which people find annoying.But,the paradox is that if there is such a thing as free will then that too is deterministic because its something which we have no choice over.You're not free to not have free will.
Aaron518 3 years ago
Got ya. I had a different understanding, in that although we do not actually pocess free will on any level (IMO), We have to pretend that it exists in order to have a society. One has to be responsible for ones 'actions'. Just because a serial killer was raped as a kid, we still have to lock him up. His path was determined, but if we act as if it were, we are fucked. That's what I thought he meant by having no choice.
Your explanation makes more sense.
OneBigRetard 3 years ago
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
So there you go, it is an abomination to eat shrimp...Where would we all be without such a divinely inspired moral code..Oh yeah, having problems with the kids, kill em (Deut. 21:18-21)
davapod 3 years ago 6
Boteach says that humans are incapable of coming up with moral laws. Idiot. Who is it that decides that the morality of the old testament is scandalously barbaric? Humans. Not the scripture itself
steve131077 3 years ago 2
Someone should ask Boteach how the tribes deep in the Amazons have come up with moral laws pertaining to love, justice, care, kindness, etc.
quickpua 3 years ago 2
or the Chinese who have operated without the abrahamic religions for around 6000 years.
artyfarty2 3 years ago
a young earth creationist? :p Or have they been abrahamic before?
StruhDaehYm 3 years ago
"a young earth creationist". I assume you joking. How could they be Abrahamic before the alleged existence of Abraham?
artyfarty2 3 years ago
I'm just wondering how the chinese were inexistant or abrahamic 6001 years ago before starting to operate w/o abrahamic religions.
StruhDaehYm 3 years ago
yeah, tough question
artyfarty2 3 years ago
please upload the whole uncut video onto google video so we don't have to go through all these little pieces, plus we can download to ipod.
sixoseven 3 years ago
great debate =) thx for sharing
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago 2
This Rabbi is a tard.
He spends his hole time repeating the claim that religion represents unalterable and solid morality. (btw. I love his providing of an expediant and logical reason for the support of religion rather than suggesting it's true)
Then at the end of the clp he says Extremists are bad because he wants 'ethical' religion. Where the fuck do his ethics come from?
Where is the religious texts that say ALL humans are equal regardless of race or religion??
How is that not arbitary?
OneBigRetard 4 years ago 2
The rationale behind the German peasant revolt was an appeal to the genesis. All humans are godlike, all are descendants of A. and E. and thus have an equal right to rule the earth. Stoics and Enlightment philosophers did the same using the term "nature" instead of god (for why "god"="nature" see b.spinoza :p), hence "natural rights".
StruhDaehYm 3 years ago
Thank you for your response. I have read Spinoza and understand your point. However, I feel the Rabbi's 'ethics' might have been different in 1660 to those he professes or indeed adheres to today. Besides, that very same appeal to the genesis is not without fault. It is floored by the consistant problem of the lack of consistancy within the testament. Selective reading if you will.
OneBigRetard 3 years ago
Hitchens is just lovely to listen to.
Masenko 4 years ago 6
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Thanks for posting these vids =)
Locateson 4 years ago 3
hitchens just found the meaning of life... walking toward him around 2:29....smokin' hot.
billjesusgates 4 years ago 4
i noticed too =)
but hitch also express his thoughts on 'Washington women' in which it seemed he's 'un-excited' about them overall~~
i wonder what he suggest where we could find a better 'scene' =)
toneshun 2 years ago
Very nice footage
mindwis3 4 years ago