THE PRISONER. Banned Episode.

[astrophonix]

The world is run by evil bastards. It's them or us.

[ZambaStudios]

I saw this episode in '68 - I didn't have to wait till the next decade.

[jivesublime]

This was misleading. As titlled "the Prisoner " banned episode. Instead of be honest and straight forward. Showed a mini documentry on protest riots of the late 1960s and early 1970s. Since you cant get the rights to air the episode you chose to use your skills to cheat and decieve your viewers.

[swamplight79]

You'd think there would be more views on a video titled "The Prisoner:Banned Episode" by punks and psuedo-intellectuals alone;nevermind its being relevant now.Just more wierdness for an already wierd movie.This would be a great HBO remake with a great soundtrack,though.If you build it:they will come.

[Pancerni]

I love"for what it's worth" a great great song.

[jazzynet1]

There were 2 things that happened that shut everyone up. Jackson State and Kent State shootings of students.  I remember them both. Fuck the system.

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

This series was a warning about what could, and probably will, happen in some perverse para mutation of elite corporate authoritarian government manipulation. You should fear it now, more then ever! The workers are out on their ass, wages are downward spiraling-and the choreographic melange of lies that are waltzed before the public are shameful! The rich and powerful will soon tax the very air we breathe-so-How are we different then the Prisoner confined to the village? You are free--N-O-T!

[andmaketherain]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND Its already happened. Now, the next mutation of deception is right in front of you. The internet logs all traffic.

[RogueRotting360]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND What makes you think it's a corporatist government? It could easily be an allegory of a statist, soft totalitarian, socialist state, with a knack for social engineering. Nearly every 'pawn' a brainwashed bien pensant.

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

NOW-It is umpteen years later, fraud has decimated the American economy; wars of unclear purport and vision, and politicians so stiffing-they appear to want to suppress and blot out the middle class. Perhaps it is, again time, to rerun this little episodic gem-seeing as how we have nearly abdicated all our freedoms to authoritarian boots. (LONG LIVE THE NUMBERS;2, 6, AND 48!)

[TonyElka]

I definitely remember that episode being broadcast in the USA on CBS during it's initial run.

[TheJomogogo]

@TonyElka

I do too, this was shown on TV during the series first showing.

[TheStockwell]

@TonyElka You might be confusing it with its first airing - in syndication. That was in 1971. Everything I've ever read states emphatically that this episode was not aired in its first CBS broadcast runs in '68 and '69. Still, I could swear I saw the show the first time around. Also, the standard explanation of the why episode wasn't shown until 1971 has recently been called into question. It's thought the show had one-too many episodes as a summer replacement for "The Jackie Gleason Show."

[DomasionRagor]

Soldiers do not cause wars. Civilians cause wars. Soldiers are just expected to fight and die for the civilians.

[IceAngel166]

@DomasionRagor I'm with you on that note! Thumbs up!

[19XWyomingGrizFan]

When you got characters like George Swift right out of "The Ugly American" the so-called one's "in the know," with "The Big Picture" in mind, having a simple British television program banned doesn't surprise me in the least. Besides, too many similarites between Maverick and Bonanza characterisations about to remind American viewers with a subtle hint that may lie in the background until it comes to the fore in rebellion against...

[Anekantavad]

What fascinates me is the corollary to banning this. If the US gov't didn't like the message that this episode seemed to convey, did they support its antithesis - that rebellion and "opting out" is by its very nature wrong? I think banning this was just an act of a few hamfisted old-time moralists who were probably in way over their heads. Thanks for posting.

[Y0UTUBERCUL0SIS]

and at the end of that episode, he finds out that his enemies don't really exist. they're cardboard scenery all along, only there for the benefit of the mind-game played against him. sound familiar?

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@Y0UTUBERCUL0SIS THIS SEEMS TO BE THE REALITY THE U.S. IS FACING IN THIS MOMENT WITH AN ECONOMY-HOW DO WE VALUE LIFE WHEN IT DROPS IT'S TIES TO THE ICON IDENTITIES THAT HAVE HELD THE VALUES IN OUR MINDS? WE HAVE LOST THE VALUE OF MONEY-AND ALLOWED THE PERCEIVED TOTALITY OF A MAN TO FOUNDER AND TAKE A BEATING. DEALING WITH THE "FALL-AWAY" IS DISCONCERTING-AND IT EXPLAINS THE ANGER, ANGST, AND SEPARATION WE FEEL TODAY.(STETSON DEGREE IS IN PHILOSOPHY-THIS IS MY BABY-SO TO SPEAK!)

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND ( "THE BONZZZZZ IS ALL YOURS,DAD-HIP BONE, KNEE BONE-AND A THIGH BONE-ALL YOURS--"!)

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND

[jfdomega]

3:36 name of song please, anyone? Thanks

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@jfdomega THE TWO SONGS THAT HAUNT THAT ERA-ARE ETCHED IN YOUTH'S BLOOD-"OHIO",BY CROSBY,STILLS, NASH AND YOUNG-AND "FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, BY STEPHEN STILLS AND NASH YOUNG AS THE GROUP BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD-IT EERILY CAUGHT A VERY PARANOID AND CREEPY FEELING OF THAT AGE. DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER SONGS YOU ARE LOOKIN' FOR-BUT THEY SAID IT ALLL!

[jfdomega]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND  thank you.

[seansalvador1]

Killing students. What a country...

[seansalvador1]

Well done Patrick and the rest of the crew!

A warrior's ultimate act is to lay down his sword.

[SHMUJEW]

hippies were responsible for the overrunning of south vietnam , the boat people and the pol pot regime which killed 3 million cambodians....when the real revolution comes , leftists and hippies are going to have alot to answer for

[seansalvador1]

@SHMUJEW

Why? Will they be forst against the fucking wall?

Would you pull the trigger.

Milgram is rolling in his grave.

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@SHMUJEW YOUR REVISIONIST VIEW OF PRO-ACTIVE YOUTH REVOLUTION IS SHOCKINGLY BEREFt OF FACTS! NIXON SENT THOUSANDS OF BOYS TO THEIR DEATHS IN AN UNDECLARED WAR THAT HIS GENERALS TOLD HIM HE COULD NOT WIN! SLAUGHTER FOR WHAT?! THEN, THE MALICIOUS MAN TRIED TO SUBVERT THE NOTION OF LAW ITSELF, AND WAS LEFT NAKEDLY EMPLOYING TACTICS OF SUBVERSION AND MAYHEM. COMMUNISM WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM-HUMANISM WAS ALMOST DECAPITATED BY CORRUPTION OF OUR COUNTRY. I WAS THERE-I KNEW THE INSIDE STORY-I SAW IT!!

[SHMUJEW]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND iLL GO FURTHER, HIPPIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEBT CRISIS AND THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL MORALS IN THE WEST....BEWARE HIPPIES, YOUR TIME IS COMING TO AN END

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

@SHMUJEW HIPPIES WERE A MOVEMENT OF A LOOOOOONG GONE GENERATION-THAT BECAME CORPORATION HEADS, YOUR BOSSES, AND MANY OTHER THINGS-GOOD AND BAD. THEY ARE NOT EXACTLY LIKE A PURPLE COW YOU CAN SHOOT AT WALKING DOWN MAINSTREET USA! HAHAHA! WHERE ARE YOUR BRAINS, GUY-NEXT TO YOUR CUTLERY CORNER POCKET KNIFE IN YOUR HOLE-GAPED POCKET? GEEZ-AIN'T YOU SCREW-LOOSED CHILDREN GOT ANYTHING BETTER TO DO OR GRIPE ABOUT---LOOSERS!

[RANDCOUNTERMAND]

HAHAHA! I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGHT A WAR WITH LITTLE OLD PEOPLE ALMOST ON SOCIAL SECURITY-YOU ARE RIDICULOUS. THIS ANGRY GENERATION IS LOOKING FOR A FIGHT AND BLAME FOR EVERYTHING----GO DIG UP HITLER!

[21kpatriot]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND What?

[swamplight79]

@RANDCOUNTERMAND ?

[ThePaulaLeigh]

@SHMUJEW Actually the debt crisis started in the 1980's.... get your history correct. The "Hippies"... because of main stream media looked as if they didn't do anything.. however, a lot of the FREEDOMS you have today are because of the "Hippies" who had writing campaigns, marched on government, created such leaders as JFK and Martin Luther King... (In fact, the American Household debt has risen since the 1980's by 12 TRILLION dollars... that's not the Hippies fault...)... Be Seeing You....

[EssexBoy696969]

This episode was banned because of halucegenic drugs?

Meanwhile, American soldiers (many of them teenagers) were spaced out of their nuts on opium having been sent to Viet Nam.

What a crazy, 2 faced, fucked up Country the USA was (IS)!

[lebleufleur]

EXCELLENT VIDEO.

[jellytastesgood]

I'm so surprised this video is still on youtube considering there's footage of blowing a man's brains out.

[Misterioso]

@jellytastesgood Despite how disgusting the footage is it has become the defining image of the cruelty humanity is capable of.

This incident has been referenced, eluded to and reenacted in numerous films, magazines, history books etc.

[shivercanada]

We're all Pawns

[FastMg42]

You are not kidding either !.

[BillDFC]

Strange how the youth then rose up and were probably responsible for ending the war in Vietnam....now we just seem to accept what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[FastMg42]

No they just got old and tired we all have a limit they did they did they r job have you done theirs?

[jellytastesgood]

No group of hippies ever ended the Vietnam war... It was politics that ended the war. Just like it's going to be politics that end the Aghan and Iraqi wars...

[BillDFC]

@jellytastesgood Don't underestimate public opinion.

[seansalvador1]

@jellytastesgood

It was public oppinion. Ideas spread and politicians are not immune...

Just look at the conspiracy nutters and how their ideas have leeched into mainstream politics...

It can be a force for good or a force for danger but public oppinion does have some energy. The problem is that in a democracy public oppinion is supposed to be the winner, if it doesn't then the poiliticians worry that we will realise that democracy is a scam, which it is! They have to listen sometimes

[Flayprime]

I would shoot to kill an arsonist, or a rapist, or a murderer. It only makes sense, you have to try to stop those things from happening. Throwing a Molotov cocktail into a crowd of police is construed as leathal force, it is life threatening, if someone does that, they should expect to be killed.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

You would shot to kill an arsonist or rapist? I don't underestimete the evil actions of rape or arson but killing them is a step over the line. Are you to weak to defend yourself without a gun? Two wrongs now make a right in your eyes even if your wrong is worse than theirs?

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 @seansalvador1 the potential for rape or arson as a lethal force is real. I would defend life by taking a life. And I really think that peoples otherwise deluded interpritations of what the bible says about killing... I do believe it translates.... "Thou shalt not Murder." A variable difference between the two, which at teh same time justifies the very use of lethal force.

[Flayprime]

How would you justify police using lethal force when confronted with someone who is willing to use lethal force? It is without saying, those who commit those types of crimes and are caught in teh act, run the risk of death, would probably be a better deterant than prison time...

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Actually you said rape or arson. You didn't say for certain that they were using lethal force. I would use lethal force in defence only, but given the choice - Knee/elbow or head/chest - i'ts pretty clear which i'd opt for!

In fact, i have been in the very situation more than once where i had to use force. No one was killed. Enough said.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

I have also studied philosophy (am studying) and the retributive form of punishment is impossible to justify. As is the death penalty as deterrent. It doesn't work in practice. Simple as that!

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 The only thing keeping me from being a monstrous human being is Laws. weather they be for a deterant purpose or not... that cannot be argued. Weather they are Gods laws or mans laws cannot be argued. They are there for a reason. Justification in the terms of death penalty.... you would ask a sinner and killer to say if he had premeditated a crime or not. Some do it cause they act in passion, and do not think of the consiquences. Can you speak for them statistically, truthfully?

[Flayprime]

@Flayprime Let us throw out all laws so that the rule of law is baseless and because laws do not work at all! Such a notion is a defeatest and/or humanist / nihilist/ anarchist/ socialist approach to dealing with real life problems. NOthing good can be of the proposal of limiting the rule of law. Life sentances do not limit murder either, they still happen. Death sentances ensure killers will not kill ever again.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"The only thing keeping me from being a monstrous human being is Laws"

You are really going to stand by this? Basically you are saying that you refrain from immoral action due to fear of retribution! That, sir, is not morality!

Can i speak for them? Of course not. Can i speak on their behalf? Kind of.. i have been in this situation myself. I tackled a burglar and was prosecuted for it ...cont...

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

...(although the police and court were on my side, they basically admitted i was innocent by giving me a hugely leanient sentence).

Thought experiment.

A man walks in on his best friend and his wife having sex. He proceeds to punch his friend some 10-15 times or so and kills him.

Would this man, a murderer, be eligable for the death penalty? If so, who kills him? If not then why the discrepancy?

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 That is viewed as a crime of passion in the united states (states vary). Certainly in a crime of passion it is viewed as involuntary manslaughter, which is the lowest grade of homocide that is not justified..... in addition a pretrial diversion can basically eliminate a trial altogether... this does not stop civil trials however.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

I am against the death penalty for the following reasons -

1) it doesn;t work as deterrent

2) It neglects the fact that many can be rehabilitated

3) it must discriminate (as in the thought experiment)

4) it can never be 100% sure that the person is guilty

5) it serves no purpose other than retribution (i refer you to 1)

cont...

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 That may be good for you, in your society, however life imprisonment is the only alternative truthfully, Have you ever been to the USA? There are murderers who are unrepentant and do so at every chance.... 11 times in some cases. Certainly after the second murder something should have been addressed. In that case it would have been a deterrant.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

6) Who does the killing? Why would this person be any better than the convict? In the case of our thought experiment the killer was acting in passion and has now lost both his best friend and wife and has a lifetime of guilt... i would think this punishment enough. The executioner merely killed to order. He did it because his superiors told him to. How is this any better? The Nazi's used the same excuse and Milgrams experiments don't account for the morality of the situation

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 Continued from below.........Again homocide can be justified. most can be rehabed, except for those cold blooded people..... would you "give them a chance" to kill again? How about you shack up with them and rehabilitate them? Would you really want to take that chance? The rule of law is not to be screwed with, if within the UK the death penalty is not implimented, fine. Here it is, in many different fashions.

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 continued from below.... If we were as crazy as british folk, our guns would be used far more. Which comes to another point. The most extreme threat of violance and death is very real makes most people very very polite here. our crime rate is very small, with exception to anything to do with the drug trade and inner city crime... which sometimes coincide. truths are relative in this instance, you frog knifer!!! v >:D

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"If we were as crazy as british folk"

It has to end there i'm afraid. You show that you are incapable of reasonable debate or even a fair assesment of a population.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"our crime rate is very small"

It amazes me that a person living in a country renound for it's gun crime would say this.

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 Define Gun crime and crimes against others, then you will have a more keen answer on just how much Gun crimes against other persons there are here. and 85% of the time, those gun crimes against persons are illegally owned firearms.

[cyberianfirst]

@seansalvador1

It amazes me that a person living in a country reknowned for its insanity would post what you did too...

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Frog knifer?

[Flayprime]

@san salvador 1 Since you do not have firearms for personal defensive use, a common tool would be knives, and various other common household tools... come now allow me to write you a receipt for that ego :D

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

You sound like such a nice person.

No. It says 'not kill' in the earliest texts and in context could only ever have meant 'thou shall not kill another jew'.

How does 'thou shall not murder' justify using lethal force? It logically cannot be used in this context (if you know anything about formal logic) as it does not address this side of it. It's the same as saying the phrase 'thou shall not fart in public' justifies the use of lethal force!

[Flayprime]

@san salvador 1

Logic does not always apply to everyday life, this is not alice in wonderland.....if you are threatened with someone attempting to kill you with a knife, would you say, "I will not use lethal force against you!!" If you have any sense of self preservation you will admit your a liar, a deranged socialist, and heathen who loves to wield satan's intellect

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Ahh, you are one of those people that thinks that they can throw out logic whenever they feel an argument they have made is illogical... there's not much point in talking with you.

You seem a little young also. The latter part of your comment marks you as a fantasist and a zealot so please, don't bother to comment further. I'm out of your league.

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 Are you one of those those people who argues to hear yourself argue then point a finger when faced with truth? Yea, I am a zealot for what I believe, I keep my mind guarded against smooth talkers who would compromise 'fantastic' evil with Gods Law.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"smooth talkers who would compromise 'fantastic' evil with Gods Law."

It's quite funny that you seem to do this so often. You clearly don't know what this means as i'm pretty sure that if you did you would have said the opposite!

It's exactly like your "Certainly you are the voice of reason that everyone should adhere to..." Statement

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 ....And you did not respond to the remainder of my statements, we should assume that they are true and that you are only picking certain comments in which to quip at with all your reckoning. I have hung onto every one of your statements and commented on them all, You are clearly on the defensive and use crass, tactless, course, and abrasive talk to point fingers and to discredit someone socially because you cannot argue the facts. You are a fool.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Which statement have i ignored?

I cannot argue the facts? I have facts to back up everything i say. You, by definition, do not! How can you say this with a straight face?

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 You have picked and chosen, untill now, which points to make argument, as I said, your defensive posture alludes a need to be made right, I am speaking universal truth as attributal to the Words of God, and common sense, not to be deluded by some semblance of mans 'infinate' wisdom...

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

No. I have answered every comment. Sometimes with more than one commet.

What specific points do you want me to answer?

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 and by the way, I am older than you by 6 years. ;)

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"the potential for rape or arson as a lethal force is real"

Yes, it is, but you cannot know this for certain and statistically it's the opposite. What you are saying here is that you would kill them 'just in case' they did kill! That is the same as saying you would kill speeding drivers!

Think before you type

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1

I was not talking about moving violations. I was talking about the prospect of lethal force, stumbling upon it... and then averting potential deadly outcome by using lethal force against the offender. Using force( not lethal force per se) only to protect life and property is a justifiable means of law enforcement everywhere, put away your curb side law degree and... think before you type. Certainly you are the voice of reason that everyone should adhere to...

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

"Certainly you are the voice of reason that everyone should adhere to..."

Sometimes it's clear when someone has no idea what the words they are typing actually mean.

I'll just take this compliment as a victory and leave it at that...

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 Victory is foolish notion when declared before it is won. You cannot win when you battle with the spirit of God, Be so admonished and humble yourself to the Spirit of God, Your pride has no place except in Sin. You'll probably not admit it, but anyone who knows truth can see it. Only in Pride are you so boastful. That is the condition of your heart.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Psychobabble...

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 Is the rhetoric getting too deep for you now?

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

I was about to accuse you of rhetoric but it sems you are proud of it...

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 ::grin:: Do you really feel as if I speak rhetoric, shall I use my bully pulpit more? Do I seem so young anymore?

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

You just asked me "is the rhetoric getting too deep"...

Yes. You do seem very infantile/juvenile... whatever you want to call it.

[Flayprime]

@seansalvador1 That's kinda like calling someone a racist... the person accused cannot deny it, and even if they do, every one thinks it anyhow. I am well over 6 years older than you.. yet you say this? You use tactless wit versus a voice of reason in debate.

[seansalvador1]

@Flayprime

Voice of reason? Lets see. You have claimed falsley that your crime rates are low. You have claimed falsely that english people are crazy (and suggested more gun crazy!? it beggars belief).

You have twice written words that are the direct opposite of your meaning...

This ends

[Flayprime]

@san salvador 1 Yes voice of reason, Not opinionated mud slinging. I know how you speak, the various similarities and differences between our two languages, and while they might be mostly identical, you are misunderstanding me in subtle ways and should be aware of it. As far as my words written that are the direct opposite.... I would look again, and think.

[thedogduncan]

SKULL AND BONES....

[RedPillProject]

we are ALL prisoners of the New World Order = ROTHCHILD FAMILY and company

check out the film ROTHCHILD'S CHOICE

[seansalvador1]

@RedPillProject

Child... next you'll be taking about lizard people from te centre of the Earth!

[MrCrispian]

fuck... that guy just shot someone on youtube

[MrCrispian]

the network runs america

[CornellColumbian]

Xervosh23, I agree with you that Truman dropped the ball on this one. The U.S. financed France's rediculous Indochinal war, in which France more officers each year than they graduated from the Ecole Polytechnique. The real question becomes, at what point was America committed so deeply that it could not find a way out. In my opinion, the final straw that broke the camel's back was JFK's complicity (or perhaps direct involvement) in the murder of Diem and subsequent support of General Mihn.

[CornellColumbian]

"Living in Harmony" reminded me of Ionesco's "Rhinoceros." In both cases, people were used to deep stories which seemed inscrutable but, if analyzed, yielded a wealth of richness. But "Living in Harmony" and "Rhinoceros" were both shallow and trite.

[CornellColumbian]

Vietnam was not a single entity, it was three sovereign states which the French had squashed into one colony. Diem and later Thieu may have wanted to rule Tonkin but never claimed sovereignty thereover. Not even Bao Dai claimed sovereignty over the North following the 1954 Accords, however much he may have wanted to.

[Xervosh23]

Truman wanted Vietnam to re-submit to French colonial rule. That was a very foolish miscalculation on his part, one which led perhaps almost inevitably to our involvement in the Vietnam War, and from there, almost inevitably to our side's defeat, due to the easily predicted nationalist reaction to the presence of foreign ("imperialist") troops on what was perceived as sacred Vietnamese soil. Truman seriously dropped the ball on that one.

[Xervosh23]

The Vietnamese were/are a very nationalistic people. It was probably always going to be true that whichever side accepted foreign troops on its soil, was going to be the losing side. Thus the USSR was smarter than the USA. Additionally, Ho Ch Minh was a nationalist first, and a Bolshevist second. He wanted to ally with the USA, but Truman rebuffed him, so he went with the USSR by necessity.

[Xervosh23]

Vietnam was a single entity. The regime in Saigon was just as keen to rule in Tonkin, as the regime in Hanoi was keen to rule in Cochinchina. It was a civil war in a very real sense, even when the NVA replaced the NLF, by simply virtue of the fact that "North Vietnam" and "South Vietnam" were not authentic, organic states. There was only Vietnam. And either Saigon or Hanoi would eventually rule the whole. As it so happens, the side we backed lost, but one side or the other was destined to lose.

[walter0bz]

r.e. 0:52 - it's only a *proper* prisoner episode if it features mind altering drugs!

[BobMonkfish]

Probably the worst episode of the series, other than the brain swap one.

[ELGROOVER]

I thought "The Girl Who Was Death" was the weakest of the lot.

[BobMonkfish]

That's pretty bad, although there are some cute jokes in it, which redeem it a bit.

[CornellColumbian]

I remember the "Living in Harmony" very well from it's first U.S. run. What struck me, besides its being such a weird episode, was the fact that the citizens in Harmony referred to each other by name, not by a number. "Living in Harmony" was never banned in the U.S.

[Hanson913]

You're right. I saw it too on the first run. I remember that show very well because it was the best show on television up to and maybe including "Rome" on HBO.

[Elric33239]

If anything, I don't recall seeing "Fallout" during the first CBS run, not "Living in Harmony." LIH might have been pre-empted or shown on other stations, but I don't recall seeing "Fallout" until it was aired on Public Television stations. I guessed that "Fallout" wasn't shown because of its negative response in the UK. I don't recall anything negative launched at LIH other than its "western hero without a gun" premise. USTV shows "The Loner" and "Branded" had limited runs for the same reason!

[CornellColumbian]

This is just factually WRONG. The "Living in Harmony" episode was indeed shown in the season's first run in the U.S.

[SixteenMilliMeter]

Disagree. I was watching during the summer of 1968, and I'm sure I would have remembered it. I didn't get to see "Living in Harmony" until a PBS station in the New York City area aired it years later.

I shudder to think what CBS would have done to it. At the very least, it would have slapped on a regular set of opening credits appropriated from another episode.

[boletusatanicus]

Communist-sympathetic? Yes. Lying? NO.

Fact is America was the aggressor in a completely unjustified war, and got the public reaction it deserved. Vietcong 1 CIA fuckers 0 pwn3d!

[Borrow919]

The Vietnam war was a very complex situation involving a pragmatic liberal President sending troops to war for no actual cause at all while the Vietcong offered the Vietnamese not a free country upholding individual rights but a statist dictatorship. Neither side was on the side of the angels.

[Hiraghm]

Fact is, the U.S. went in to put down an insurgency sponsored by the communist North.

The Viet Cong were wiped out in the 67 Tet offensive.

S. Viet Nam fell to two corps of NVA using more troops than the Normandy Invasion.

We had already pulled out, and promised to go back in the event of invasion, but Congress pulled funding and refused to let us send troops back. So the ARVN fell to the NVA.

The "public reaction" was caused by false reporting by communist sympathizers.

Cronkite, burn in hell

[radicalsystems]

so full of shite...you never saw the docu..it was a civil war..the south was ruled by dictatprship and owned brits. french and anyoner else..they wanted independance..jut like usa wanted independance..now either mcnamara knew this and kep quiet and loet ppl die or he didnt so therrfore was as dumb as crap...he resigned anyway,,,

[dumbbo1]

Murdering Communist Bastards 1 Poor Innocent Civilians 0

[dmgoddard]

There is resistance. Join us.

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[SniffTheHedgehog]

Nothing has changed - now they SHOOT THE PEOPLE HOLDING THE CAMERAS, and Tv crews go into war-zones 'in-bedded' with military units or NOT AT ALL. Executions? In some countries they happen all the time ... Charles de Menezes (7 January 1978 22 July 2005, RIP) was executed WITHOUT warning in front of a tube train full of Brit. commuters ... no one was jailed or even charged. His crime, his skin colour matched that of a suspected terrorist ... welcome to the UK - what is YOUR ID card number?

[Hiraghm]

You mean like when the cameras met our soldiers coming ashore in Somalia?

When the media becomes an agent of the enemy, only a fool lets it wander free in a war zone.

Viet Nam was won on the battlefields, but lost in the lying, subversive, communist-sympathetic media. We vowed "never again". So they now pay the price of earlier treasons

[whizbang47]

Who vowed "never again?" Are you a Mossad agent?Ordinary U.S. national persons read the Pentagon Papers and realized the entire pretext was a put-up job to win the '64 election. The other guy? Goldwater thought it would be okay to use tactical nuclear weapons there. Judging by what you wrote, I'm sure you don't think that was a racist idea. Any "we" of yours has no me in it.

[Hiraghm]

"We" vowed never again; the millions of American citizens who now support our troops wholeheartedly and ignore the media.

No, I don't see how using tactical nukes to win a war would be "racist".

And it was a campaign ad by the Democrats that claimed Goldwater would use nukes.

Tell the millions of boat people, millions of dead in SE Asia, the multitudes placed in concentration camps that that war was a "put-up" job.

[seansalvador1]

@SniffTheHedgehog

Well they don't know where i live. I have no ID card (although i have a passport and a D'licence) but nothing is ergistered under my correct address, i'm an anarchist so don't vote for any party... i like to keep the bastards on their toes!

[superiourcowies]

Id nebver heard of those progarmmes it mentioned. il have to look

[AnitaLife27]

Whah?? LIH is a CLASSIC western! The good guy not carrying the gun, the hero not wanting to do what he's supposed to do! Then he comes back and wins the day. Very common! I'm amazed that they could relate that to Vietnam, but I guess it was an era of complete paranoia. I can see the Prisoner being controversial--it take shots at the Big Brother concept and the idea of government controlling our minds. "I wanted to do a Western and I'd never done one."PMcG is the raison d'etre for LIH.

[tegunn]

Forsure3333, That's the real footage. This guy was caught in the act, executed

[Forsure3333]

At 3:00 we see man shot to the head. I don't know if it's the same shooting or another one, but there was a fake one made. We could see the guy getting back up a few seconds later and laughing.

[hypnotstcollector]

the shooter at minute 3:00 moved to L.A. with a business. your not surprized are you?. i was about 15 at the time this murder occured.. between this and seeing people burning them selves to death and just sitting made one wonder.....both were on the front pages of every major paper. Buffalo Springfields best song. and realy the best work crosby, stills, etc did. i think.

[Forsure3333]

The shooter is a Vietnamese, probably. The fake shooting was another one, but the shooter was American. I don't know if he was just mocking this shooting.

[Forsure3333]

I would like to know the background information on this particular murder. Did the victim do anything to get killed?

[hypnotstcollector]

I would say google it. as i recall the shooter is a general., the victum was viet cong. i think the general also died in L.A. around 1990.

[linowilly]

actually he became a resturant owner in Arlington,VA. He was the military police general for Siagon when he shot that VC guy during the Tet offensive.

[Forsure3333]

That's a damn good song. I've just checked it out, and it was made Buffalo Springfield.

[Vishinsky]

The reason it wasn't broadcast in the first run was that they were afraid that real Americans wouldn't buy the terrible accents. Seriously, the ones in Carry On Cowboy are better.

[raztaman420]

With all that i've read about it, it was never banned. It just wasn't shown the first time the series aired due to its controversial nature about "giving up your gun" when the country was torn about the Vietnam War, and also a few alcohol and drug references (which is stupid considering all the other drug and hallucination references in the series). The episode was shown later when they re-ran the series. At least that's what I've read.

[moorlarkin]

Presumably the clowns who write this rubbish had never heard of the old 1954 movie: Destry.

" Destry confounds the townsfolk by refusing to strap on a gun, but he still carries out the "letter of the law" and wins over the doubters. A final confrontation between Destry and Kent's gang is inevitable and with "Frenchy" won over, a final gunfight ensues."

[kaledmasterme]

hey, dont crap on the prisoner! CLOWN YOURSELF!

[EalaDubh]

Maybe it wasn't shown because it's a TERRIBLE episode.

[moorlarkin]

It has certainly crossed my mind that the US chose that one to drop because it is a Western and in the home of cowboys looked a little faux.

[Tommacfearsom]

Hello Folks A quick check of any library micro film of TV Guide 1969 will show that the Bobby Kennedy memorial caused the rescheduling of The Chimes of Big Ben to the following week. Living in Harmony had to be shelved because of this programming change.

Harmony can be found to have run on the west coast as early as November 1969 a mere two months after the CBS broadcast on both UHF and many CBS affiliates.

BCNU

Tommacfearsom

[moorlarkin]

This is a complete fallacy. The episode was never banned. It was being broadcast in the USA as early as 1969/1970. This old myth is absolute tosh.

[Pmg6portmeirion]

Thats strange i always thought this never aired in the states during its first run.Have read many times it wasn't broadcast.

Please explain more, i'm fascinated.

[moorlarkin]

It didn't air on the first networked run,or on the second. But it wasn't 'banned'. It was definitely broadcast on more local subsidiary channels, as early as 1969. This 'banned' business seems to have all started in the 1980's book by White & Ali, which also gave rise to the 'Companion' video. Lazy witers trot this nonesense out because it is 'published' and therefore 'respectable'. So far as I know, nobody has ever quoted the source of this 'fact', apart from that book.

[Forsure3333]

Hold on. It was not aired the first time around, but it was not banned. Please explain.

[guitarvenne]

Thank you, very interesting.