Great performance aside, The Lone Star should get a mention here. What a fantastic venue. You could sit at the bar, and be quite literally within 15 feet of the stage. I remember seeing Roy Buchanan there, and I was so close I could read the serial number on his headstock, I'm talking inches away, not feet. So many incredible performers played there after their main gigs. SRV would pop over after his arena shows and gig for hours. He played with Buddy Guy there once. What a joint that was.
@vibroluxor i don't know what jams you go to but it sounds fine to me! Page is playing tasty as hell and Jaco is laying back in the groove...listen to 1:30-1:37-masterful phrasing...remember it's just improvised and it's really a jazz band playing straight blues...
@sixsixxsixxxx Friend, if you go to a blues jam where the guitar players sound like that, run, don't walk for the exits. Not commenting on Jaco's playing, but the tripe Page spews is shameful. the "phrasing" you point to is simply Page's attempt to cop some BB King licks. he even tosses out a clam at exactly 1:31 where he misses the note he's intending to play and changes the phase. I love Jimmy as a composer, but technically he was pretty average.
@vibroluxor the world is full of virtuoso players with perfect technique that have nothing to say musically . I can play alot of Hendrix and Pages music , but I never wrote a 'rain song ' or a 'machine gun " , so noone knows who I am ~~
@Cincinnatus1869 ANd its equally full of virtuoso players who can say anything musically. Page's strong suite was not improvisation, as he has admitted himself, and as demonstrated by this clip. he was a brilliant composer though.
@vibroluxor I think the problem is that too many players focus entirely on technique and perfect execution . I think the great composer will always go farther than the great player . There are very few who can boast of being both .
I don't understand what you mean by "go farther"... to where, exactly? in the case of Jimmie Page, I challenge that he was a "great" guitarplayer. He could perform magic if given the time to work out what he was going to play and then figure out how to play it. but drop him into the middle of a head-cutting contest and he'd get cut. compare the stuff on this vid to the solo in "Ten years gone" and it leaves you with that WTF feeling.
@vibroluxor by go farther , I mean the composer will enjoy more notoriety and success , and get rich . His chops have sufferred with age , as they will do , but its not as if he is out there onstage , claiming to be as good as ever .
@Cincinnatus1869 another challenge. in popular music, I would be willing to bet next to no one is aware who wrote the tune, but they could tell you who perfromed it. Getting rich is not a valid motivation for an artist, with the possible exception of todays pop music "stars". If youre still talking about page - give it up. there at least 2 interviews available online where page himself says that he figures stuff out first, then performs it.
@vibroluxor actually I think it's a damn good motivation . Anyone who says otherwise is probably a frusrated artist with an exaggerated opinion of his own worth in his field . If you are not getting heard , you are wasting your time
@Cincinnatus1869 its a shitty motivation. the amount of people who actually make a living playing music are tiny compared to the amount of people playing. those getting "rich" doing it is an even smaller percentage. its a stupid goal. IMO a true musician has a drive to create music regardless of reward. You can think less of those of us who still play behind their day gigs, but it just makes you seem arrogant.
@vibroluxor I have made alot of money playing sessions over the yrs . It is difficult to satisfy yourself artistically doing that . I never had any desire to play the pub curcuit or to try and schmooz the record execs so as to get a deal . Am I not a 'true musician ' , because I took the route that got me paid rather than to ' pay my dues " scraping by and hoping that the general public would accept me ? If that is arrogant then I am guilty , but I had young kids and bills to pay .
@Cincinnatus1869 Dude, why do you care if your efforts "satisfy the general public" ? I say - if youre satisfied, you owe no one. if you are not, you owe yourself.
I have kids as well, and i've played what I liked, rather than what I had to. sometimes it worked out, others it didn't. I play pubs and clubs now because at this stage I make more money managing computer networks than playing guitar. I
@vibroluxor don't get me wrong man , I admit that becoming a rock star was the ultimate goal when I set out but after the band I was in started getting press , and the offers to play on records began coming in , I had to make a decision to leave the boys behind , as we had no original material. I cant say I don't wish I had stuck with it , for my own satisfaction , but I hadnot the patience or th e self confidence . I miss the stage alot more than I miss the studio for sure .
I never knew of this clip..........Jaco's story reads like a hypomanic life moving into mania as he approached his thirties and then a descent into a horrific depression. he was apparently unwilling to accept help from friends which would be typical of a person with this particular disorder. i stole everything i ever knew from Jaco just listening to from the first record on and on............the greatest bass player in the world.........brilliance personified.........so sad! so so sad
bi -polarism is a term the docs invented . I think every mind is different and depression depends on the individual .I ahve sufferred with depression for years . And I still don't understand why I think the way I do or do the things I do . It will weigh a man down though and it can make you physically ill as well . Jaco's life was wrought with tragedy . Page ,like him or not is a genius . A composer of rock and folk music that is second to none .
@Tecumseh1812 "Page. like him or not is a genius. A composer of rock and folk music that is second to none". Amen, Tecumseh. And let's add producer, too. I put him up with Hendrix as a visionary of the possiblities of guitar as it relates to composition and the spectrum of sounds and colors and tones it can encompass.
i love the way J.PAGE plays differently at this sit than he did in zep the firm etc..u can tell its him but he plays some J.page jazz here.for those who have knocked page over the yrs?if hes good enough to play with JACO and Co.hes good enough for me.....PRICELESS STUFF.THANX A MILLION.
@ZebZachary YEA MAN.when i was a kid i heard the rain song,over the hills,thank u,southbound suarez before i heard black dog,whol lotta etc.......it was the first time i realized that i liked other music than just hardrock.queen to.love da 70s man
all the bass players that play with amazing technique these days seem like complete pussys. Wheres the old jazz culture ? it's all conservatory white geek shit now. and i'm white. Charlie Parker pissing in the phone booth outside a club? thats some real funny shit, noone has nuts and takes a gamble these days and it comes through in the music. I mean victor wooten etc.. ? everyone wants to come across as a nice-guy suck up now
@samminimoog wasn't it the great duke ellington who said , " i play music for the elevator operator , the cab driver , the doorman ?" i know what you mean though . jazz is falling into the same museum as classical music . most people associate classical with being rich , that is quite true , most don't even know why they went to hear the music in the first place .
@Pastorius333 I think it's really....neat....that youre so obsessed with Jaco...but smoke a fucking joint or something man, no matter how good you are not everyone on the planet throughout the history of mankind will like his music. not that I see ANY reason why anyone wouldnt LOVE Jacos music because I love everything he did too, but your attitude and I think you put 333 in your name because you think he's god...all the stuff you said is just weird...get a grip man...smoke the ganja. drink. w/e
I don't have a problem with people not liking his music, it's just that I can't fathom that people could think that he is "overrated". If people think that, then a. they haven't heard enough of his music, or b. they wouldn't recoginze talent if it crashed into them. And I didn't put 333 in my nickname because of any religious reference. And I saw that you wrote an incredibly puzzling message to me under another video where you threw some very immature accusations at me!
@Pastorius333 no i just really fucking hate the way you were like every comment on that page. Like most people wont just outright agree with you in this world, you are a cunt licking faggot bitch
And there you go again with name calling and accusations, acting like a kid who just learned how to swear. Are you conveniently avoiding to read posts properly just to have an excuse to do so??
This is definitely Jimmy and Jaco, I know because I was playing drums. We got all fucked up on heroin before this little jam. Later that night we picked up some hookers, those were the days.
Unfuckingbelievable! Two of my heroes who I would've never have guessed in a million years that their paths would cross, much less jam together. Thank you so much for posting this! U are a saint. This is both of them, no question. Jaco's playing and southern floridian voice are unmistakable. I love Jimmy dearly, but his slightly sloppy, slightly out-of tune guitar is also obviously him. Cheers to you, mate!
@MarctheManSeligman I think he had WAY more influence on you. They both are from different genres, and to be honest, i hardly hear of Jaco in any settings, unless its got to do with his bass being auctioned or weather report... He' was a great bass player, JPJ IS a great player, so why try to compare them as to how much influence they had on people. What are you sitting on statistics or what man? " No Jaco was better!" "....what?? No John Paul Jones was better!" "no....." yes!...." (whining)
Sorry guys, but Jaco changed the bass for ever. I was friends with him and started playing gigs with him on drums when I was just 19. This is definately Jaco. I would know his voice and feel anywhere! :-)
for people saying Jaco was washed up and past his prime around this time check out " Modern Electric Bass " videos from 85 where he plays with John Scofield and Kenwood Dennard. If thats washed up and past prime then shit, i'd love to be that washed up and past my prime!!
@coitershoiter I think what is meant is for what he had become at the end of his time was a far cry from where he was back in his prime,For many of us his worst playing is as good as many can ever hope to achieve,and too others his prime made his latter stuff seem horrific. Either way its not the way he should be spoken of but we cant change every single persons opinion of when if and how he is to be appreciated.
@coitershoiter - Jaco as a shadow of his former self was still miles ahead of 98% of the guys out there. You could hear it though those last years, the Modern Electric Bass video included, the chops were there, the riffs were there, but it sounded hollow. To quote Pat Metheny, "the fire and intensity" were no longer there. Still, what a great gift and blessing he was to music fans everywhere. Like you said, "For many of us his worst playing is as good as many can ever hope to achieve."
Sounds like Page to me...issue is, Jaco's playing is lightyears beyond the blues musings of Jimmy Page. Clearly Jaco was holding back so he didnt play circles around a metal god. Even Jaco could hold back- you guys all think that he played Portrait of Tracy harmonics on everything. Sometimes its just appropriate to play the blues!
@jdsrazor66 John Paul Jones was a session player& if you asked him he would acknowledge his "place" as not being w/ the likes of Jaco Pastoroius or Jack Bruce.
@TumbrelJockey i would venture to say that john paul jones has had way more influence on bass players and muscians in general...thats what i meant to say
btw....i realize that jaco is a bad man....that cant be denied
@TumbrelJockey Hey dude....jaco pastorius definately surpasses jones as far as skill n maybe understandin of music....but john paul jones is a great bassist , on o the best....i think he should definately be up there with the likes of them....i personally think that them 3 along with james jamerson are the best...i really like john entwistle too though
@AceInTheWhole94 : fuck john paul jones ( read some zeppelin stuff ) , he was the one were they always picked on because he was a quite stupid no fun motherfucker .
same with billycox from hendrix so dont compare john paul jones with jaco
@SNCDeeDee Hey man...i didnt wanna start a fuckin thing here...i was jus sayin he's a great player dude.....and i do know a lot bout zeppelin...theyre one o my favorire bands.....sure he never wanted attention..and maybe wasnt that fun..but he's a brilliant musician...im jus sayin he should be up there with the greats...im not comparing or anything...goddamnit dude..i smoke weed n shit...but you gotta fuck off...stop smokin wtv your smokin...clearly aint workin for you dude...
Are YOU serious?? John Paul Jones functioned well in Led Zeppelin and is a good bassist, but Jaco's impact on the bass/music-world surpasses him by dimensions. Not to mention that Jaco was on another planet when it comes to skill.
@Pastorius333 wrong. jaco was brilliant but your comments on JPJ are way off. First off, Jones was a jazz organist before he was a bassist. He was a session bassist and arranger who also wrote strings for hundreds of sessions pre-Zeppelin. Skill? listen to the chorus of the Immigrant Song for starters. Taste? try the Rain Song. Jones was a complete musician who played what was needed. he easily could have played jazz, funk or fusion adeptly and has post-Zep. Classically trained on keys too.
I might have worded myself a little harsh,I see that now.....Look, I'm not trying to belittle JPJ's contributions to music history, but my point still stands. How could anyone in their right mind put him above Jaco in terms of skill, changing the face of bass-playing and influencing the bass-world?? Nothing JPJ did on a bass-guitar significantly changed the development of his instrument. As far as I see it, bass-playing would still be the same regardless of him existing or not
thats jaco alright,but he was going thru his bad phase at the time and wasnt playin all that well.i hate these latter bootlegs as they just show a washed up jaco and dont do him justice.
Definatley Jaco's playing /singing and thats Page for sure,although that was a bad heroin peroid for him,( I saw him that year with Beck and Clapton and he was smaked out and very sloppy)he was obviously intimdated by Jaco and that night his playing shows......Man Jaco was layin it down as usual...I would of tore that shit up.....
It was a great night's music. They behaved like regular people. I was at a club in Atlanta playing a few months ago and Wynonna Judd and India Arie came in. Together. India sang. Both were real ladies. Most folks are on their best behavior in public. Jaco and Jimmy were on top that night at the Lone Star.
No junk no soul.....well that's not entirely correct. Zappa would be one example. Either way Jaco rules. Who cares what people say. If they don't like him well man they were never meant to get it.
Speaking of drugs...One bad person back then was a certain guitarist with Jefferson Airplane. I saw him one night at the Lone Star take 30 minutes to tune his guitar. The audience waited patiently!
Jaco did drugs but he suffered primarily from bipolar disorder. I knew him very well at this period. I was even at this performance and hung out backstage with Jaco and Jimmy. Hiram Bullock was on the gig, and Ronnie Barrage was on drums. Many people don't take their medication and they are no better off than Jaco was. The drugs were with many on that scene at that time. Adding his illness Jaco was different. Mental illness isn't very well understood by the public.
carbonbodyworker: Yeah, I knew Jaco, met him at a mutual friend's house back in the early '70s down here in Ft. Lauderdale FL before he hit the national scene...nice guy..even though we just said hello..everybody was just sitting around and laying back...so conversation was not needed...just relaxing..he was a great innovative bass player but people forget he was human too and passed away too soon by getting too messed with drugs. Died after a bar fight down here..just a shame..
Just because a person says it, doesn't mean it's UNTRUE. Take my father for example: He had dinner with Jimi Hendrix once. So what? My father surely wasn't the one Jimi was thinking of on his deathbed. Encountings do not matter, there's a million famous musicians andmore than that who have met them.
you never know snakeweirdo you never know. he could of been thinking just as he was on his way out i wonder what happened to that cat who was talking about given his son his snakes when and if he ever had any
You know nothing if you think bipolar disorder and drugs dont cooperate... taking drogs and having that disorder is the dumbest thing...the dicease will keep getting worse and the drug abuse will increase...
Jaco was God on the bass and one of the most beautiful human beings in history... his playing peaked and declined like most people besides Coltrane but this is still an epic performance just because... normally all that matters is the sound(which I think is really great) but come on... this song jams! and to the guy who "can't hear bass"... all I have to say is 4:34
god I love jimmy page. I wish that horn blower wouldn't have interrupted him early on in the song.
In response to heartmood...I seriously think jaco had a hard time in the end with the more complex songs simply because his bass needed a set up job. he was used to playing with very low action, right?
For the love of god!! this is only and the pure form of JACO! if you don´t knew it,so go and listen some album of Jaco...because you don´t know anything!!! thank you! bye...Vamos Jaco carajo! y aguante argentina,jaja
ha ha! If you don't think its Jaco, you've never heard the Live In New York series. This is his sound, and his band's horn arrangements, version of Fannie Mae, his voice, and all that. Go listen to some of the Live in New York Series. All the climbs at 5:16 are pure Jaco. It was an informal jam, it wasn't the best time of his life. This is Jaco. His last years were not kind to him.
Well, OK. But the truth is that he drank a lot, and what makes me mad is that some guys go so far as to blame Joe for 'introducing him to drinking' (how stupid is that?). I empethize with anyone who has any mental problems. To be honest, I was never really interested in Jaco's life. I was always a WR junkie...
I have all the Live in New York albums and this JACO this was either a track that was cut or a date that was not recorded, if you have heard the live in new york you know that everything is the same the only difference is Jimmy
@soypolitico I know I've heard he had serious troubles. Then again so do I and I am a musician with countless others. We are modern day Van Gough's. No I am not putting myself on his level, but the life we choose is blues. And it's why the music is felt rather than just heard. So embrace your suffering. Turn it into a song.
Its definitely Page but I dont think its Jaco... there isnt even one slide or harmonic or any lick that sounds like Jaco at all. Could be that hes playing as strait as possible to give Pagey the spotlight though...
Tw of my biggest playing inspirations. I've played guitar for 3 years and love page's stuff. I've played bass since Christmas and am learning some tough jaco stuff. This is an awesome find.
someone got lucky and got a couple of pictures...I saw them in a magazine. Jaco was using an AMP(amplified misical products 400 BH...I had one.), and Hartke cabs. What a shame that there's no vid footage of this. To all the haters that don't think that this is ligit, if you know music, you should be able to recognize Page's playing.
It's a fact that Jimmy Page and Jaco Pastorius did indeed have an unplanned jam session one night at a club. But it's also known that it's one of the rarest and widely unheard Jaco recordings ever (and there are about 10 million live recordings of him that were never copyrighted or produced professionally). So the chances of this being authentic are about 1 in 10,000,000.
That's Jaco, at least his voice, so I think the bass lines are Jaco too, maybe he was stoned or something, he wasmentally insane anyway. I saw him several times in a very bad shape. He couldn't play Donna Lee, though he tried. But nevertheless he is a genius and a musical (not only bass) revolution.
I think it's the other way around: jazz came from blues (and a bit from classic music and other...). All jazz music is greatly influenced by blues and you really hear that too. So i don't really understand how you can like jazz and not like blues.
This really sounds good, it isn't easy to just come up and improvise. Jimmy does indeed maybe just plays blues scales (i don't know or he can jazz improvise or not), but that doesn't matter to me, he does it great and it's fucking cool jaco and jimmy!
i heard bests...... jaco is great, jimmy too(in his area and style)... but in this time, jimmy tryes to get Protagonism.... only hear his interventions when the sax sound, he didnt let talk the others instruments, maybe this theme, not sounds perfect....
Jimmy's been quoted many times as saying that jazz is one of the styles he really doesn't care for. If it was, we would have heard tons of influence from it as he tends to channel any type of music he appreciates.
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To me, this isn't jazz. This is blues. The brass in the beginning sounds a little jazzy at first, but I consider it blues for the most part. Whatever this is --- it is HORRIBLE.
IMO, jimmy page was not known for his ability as an improvisor (as he sounds sloppy and like crap). He is known for his crafting a few riffs and songs that people seem able to connect with. I don't. I don't get value from anything in he does.
hahahaha.... known for crafting a "few riffs and songs." I think probably only Keith Richards has written more instantly recognizable riffs. And as far as people being able to connect with his work...It doesn't get more classic than Zeppelin. I love Jaco and Jimi. Both did amazing, amazing work.... I've personally heard them both sound like shit at times too.
First of all, blues came from jazz. This is a classic blues song, with some jazz twist in the beginning. Second, Jimmy is very well known for his soloing ability. But again, he doesn't know all the theory that Jaco grew up learning. Jimmy is a great guitarist, especially during his time. I will agree that I like guitarists like Scofield or Metheny much better, but Jimmy is really good.
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Sorry, THIS kind of jazz is boring. Jimmy is not a jazzman and Jaco... one of the most overrated musicians ever. Not to be cruel but His untimely death helped him a lot. My music? Starting when? 68-72 mostly Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple Uriah Heep, the ususal Oh, The Doors, of course, Hendrix, J. Jopplin etc. 70-74 first, Niemen,Mahavishnu, then Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, the usual. In the spring of 75 I discovered (the REAL) Wheather Report, before all this Jaco shmaco bullshit.
And what WR had done before 76 is their best music. Sorry, THIS here is a snooze. You can go on 'jamming' like that till you drop dead of exhaustion. OK, its not me, some critic (dont remember his name, it was before you were born) said sth like when jazz became a bit boring Why? Why would ANY music ever get boring?! Listen to Joe Zawinuls and Wayne Shorters stuff. Just b/c you tap to the rythm and manage not to spill your beer doesn't make you some sophisticated jazz fan, hector.
OK i'm not a sophisticated jazz fan, you seem to be more into classic, proggresive rock, great i love most of the bands you mentioned and i agree in two things: jaco wouldn't be so great if he was alive and this collaboration is bad but you said ALL jazz was boring and there are really good things to listen to.
I'm sure that you would do the same if someone would say progresive rock is boring just based on some bad song
Fair enough, hectorleon, Sorry, sometimes I get a bit too sarcastic. And, obviously, what I said was so stupid... What I meant was that SOMETIMES jazz can ger tiring. I'm just not big on any kind of 'jamming', too much improvisations etc. That's why I love so much Weather Report before Jaco time b/c their ALL music was a precise composition! Except concerts, of course.
I hope I don't have to say that I don't consider myself being some sophisticated... whatever. I hate phonies. Cheers!
Man why does everybody have to be so fuckin' critical ?? I swear Youtube critics are the fuckin' worst...i've read the stupidest shit in my life on here....you can't argue over personal taste... this is a godamn blues jam, this ain't Giant Steps or anything... it's 12 bar blues !!!... if you don't like jazz fine... doesn't mean Ozzy Osbourne is better then Miles Davis... cause it ain't even the same thing. .....seriously get a fuckin' grip...BTW lots of shit WR did w/Jaco was fuckin' ""precise""
Wow, marcdecho... I like your fucking style. I never compared Miles Davis to Ozzy (love them both!). It's not my taste, it was a general opinion of the critics BACK THEN, before Jaco died and became some Jesus... The best, most interesting stuff WR had done was before Pastorius joined the band. Amen.
Couldn't agree more.... been listening to this show for over ten years now.. just a cool improvisational jam among a couple good muscians, take it for what it is. Gotta give Jaco credit for being quick enough to start recording this.. If you don't like it there is lots to listen and watch here, go find it..
What the hell have you been listening to to claim that Jaco is overrrated?? And Jaco was considered a bass-god and a musical genius long before his unfortunate death. He made that impression at the instant he became internationally known.
It's not "littering". A musician who re-defines the concept of electric bass, writes amazing compositions and arrangements in a wide variety og genres while at the same time being spoken of on a first-name basis at music-conservatories all over the world is not "overrated". Pat Metheny even stated that Jaco was the last jazz-musician of th 20th century who made a major impact on the music-world at large. Truer words can't be said...
Great performance aside, The Lone Star should get a mention here. What a fantastic venue. You could sit at the bar, and be quite literally within 15 feet of the stage. I remember seeing Roy Buchanan there, and I was so close I could read the serial number on his headstock, I'm talking inches away, not feet. So many incredible performers played there after their main gigs. SRV would pop over after his arena shows and gig for hours. He played with Buddy Guy there once. What a joint that was.
grelch 1 week ago
all about the SOUND - lovve this life and thnx for excellent vid all new for me
daydreams4rock 3 weeks ago
Are they jamming to back in the chicken shack?
KymeraKILLER 3 months ago
Just shut the fuck up and play.
bamboosa 6 months ago
ouch. I have heard better improvisation at the local blues jam. noise for the most part.
vibroluxor 10 months ago
@vibroluxor i don't know what jams you go to but it sounds fine to me! Page is playing tasty as hell and Jaco is laying back in the groove...listen to 1:30-1:37-masterful phrasing...remember it's just improvised and it's really a jazz band playing straight blues...
sixsixxsixxxx 9 months ago
@sixsixxsixxxx Friend, if you go to a blues jam where the guitar players sound like that, run, don't walk for the exits. Not commenting on Jaco's playing, but the tripe Page spews is shameful. the "phrasing" you point to is simply Page's attempt to cop some BB King licks. he even tosses out a clam at exactly 1:31 where he misses the note he's intending to play and changes the phase. I love Jimmy as a composer, but technically he was pretty average.
vibroluxor 9 months ago
@vibroluxor the world is full of virtuoso players with perfect technique that have nothing to say musically . I can play alot of Hendrix and Pages music , but I never wrote a 'rain song ' or a 'machine gun " , so noone knows who I am ~~
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
@Cincinnatus1869 ANd its equally full of virtuoso players who can say anything musically. Page's strong suite was not improvisation, as he has admitted himself, and as demonstrated by this clip. he was a brilliant composer though.
vibroluxor 8 months ago
@vibroluxor I think the problem is that too many players focus entirely on technique and perfect execution . I think the great composer will always go farther than the great player . There are very few who can boast of being both .
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
I don't understand what you mean by "go farther"... to where, exactly? in the case of Jimmie Page, I challenge that he was a "great" guitarplayer. He could perform magic if given the time to work out what he was going to play and then figure out how to play it. but drop him into the middle of a head-cutting contest and he'd get cut. compare the stuff on this vid to the solo in "Ten years gone" and it leaves you with that WTF feeling.
vibroluxor 8 months ago
@vibroluxor by go farther , I mean the composer will enjoy more notoriety and success , and get rich . His chops have sufferred with age , as they will do , but its not as if he is out there onstage , claiming to be as good as ever .
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
@Cincinnatus1869 another challenge. in popular music, I would be willing to bet next to no one is aware who wrote the tune, but they could tell you who perfromed it. Getting rich is not a valid motivation for an artist, with the possible exception of todays pop music "stars". If youre still talking about page - give it up. there at least 2 interviews available online where page himself says that he figures stuff out first, then performs it.
vibroluxor 8 months ago
@vibroluxor actually I think it's a damn good motivation . Anyone who says otherwise is probably a frusrated artist with an exaggerated opinion of his own worth in his field . If you are not getting heard , you are wasting your time
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
@Cincinnatus1869 its a shitty motivation. the amount of people who actually make a living playing music are tiny compared to the amount of people playing. those getting "rich" doing it is an even smaller percentage. its a stupid goal. IMO a true musician has a drive to create music regardless of reward. You can think less of those of us who still play behind their day gigs, but it just makes you seem arrogant.
vibroluxor 8 months ago
@vibroluxor I have made alot of money playing sessions over the yrs . It is difficult to satisfy yourself artistically doing that . I never had any desire to play the pub curcuit or to try and schmooz the record execs so as to get a deal . Am I not a 'true musician ' , because I took the route that got me paid rather than to ' pay my dues " scraping by and hoping that the general public would accept me ? If that is arrogant then I am guilty , but I had young kids and bills to pay .
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
@Cincinnatus1869 Dude, why do you care if your efforts "satisfy the general public" ? I say - if youre satisfied, you owe no one. if you are not, you owe yourself.
I have kids as well, and i've played what I liked, rather than what I had to. sometimes it worked out, others it didn't. I play pubs and clubs now because at this stage I make more money managing computer networks than playing guitar. I
vibroluxor 8 months ago
@vibroluxor don't get me wrong man , I admit that becoming a rock star was the ultimate goal when I set out but after the band I was in started getting press , and the offers to play on records began coming in , I had to make a decision to leave the boys behind , as we had no original material. I cant say I don't wish I had stuck with it , for my own satisfaction , but I hadnot the patience or th e self confidence . I miss the stage alot more than I miss the studio for sure .
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
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alwaysopen 8 months ago
Kneehimiah you dont know a guy by the name of david paladino do you?
xXdroneXx 10 months ago
I never knew of this clip..........Jaco's story reads like a hypomanic life moving into mania as he approached his thirties and then a descent into a horrific depression. he was apparently unwilling to accept help from friends which would be typical of a person with this particular disorder. i stole everything i ever knew from Jaco just listening to from the first record on and on............the greatest bass player in the world.........brilliance personified.........so sad! so so sad
bebopdeluxury 11 months ago
The best guitarist to ever exist - Jimmy Page.
The best bassist to ever exist - Jaco Pastorius.
Both of them are extraordinary men, and the best at what they do.
RockerForLife74 1 year ago
bi -polarism is a term the docs invented . I think every mind is different and depression depends on the individual .I ahve sufferred with depression for years . And I still don't understand why I think the way I do or do the things I do . It will weigh a man down though and it can make you physically ill as well . Jaco's life was wrought with tragedy . Page ,like him or not is a genius . A composer of rock and folk music that is second to none .
Tecumseh1812 1 year ago
@Tecumseh1812 "Page. like him or not is a genius. A composer of rock and folk music that is second to none". Amen, Tecumseh. And let's add producer, too. I put him up with Hendrix as a visionary of the possiblities of guitar as it relates to composition and the spectrum of sounds and colors and tones it can encompass.
sixsixxsixxxx 9 months ago
i love the way J.PAGE plays differently at this sit than he did in zep the firm etc..u can tell its him but he plays some J.page jazz here.for those who have knocked page over the yrs?if hes good enough to play with JACO and Co.hes good enough for me.....PRICELESS STUFF.THANX A MILLION.
diagreen 1 year ago
@diagreen
indeed...Jimmy Page is a very versatile guitarist...there's much more to Jimmy than "Whole Lotta Love"....
i especially like his acoustic guitar work on Led Zeppelin's 3rd album.
ZebZachary 1 year ago 2
@ZebZachary YEA MAN.when i was a kid i heard the rain song,over the hills,thank u,southbound suarez before i heard black dog,whol lotta etc.......it was the first time i realized that i liked other music than just hardrock.queen to.love da 70s man
diagreen 1 year ago
oh my sweet jesus this may be the most beautifully eccentric combination of musicians I could have ever wished to come true!
the jimmy and jaco parts of my brain are having secks finally!!!
shot2shit 1 year ago
all the bass players that play with amazing technique these days seem like complete pussys. Wheres the old jazz culture ? it's all conservatory white geek shit now. and i'm white. Charlie Parker pissing in the phone booth outside a club? thats some real funny shit, noone has nuts and takes a gamble these days and it comes through in the music. I mean victor wooten etc.. ? everyone wants to come across as a nice-guy suck up now
samminimoog 1 year ago
@samminimoog wasn't it the great duke ellington who said , " i play music for the elevator operator , the cab driver , the doorman ?" i know what you mean though . jazz is falling into the same museum as classical music . most people associate classical with being rich , that is quite true , most don't even know why they went to hear the music in the first place .
beats1969 1 year ago
wish he was here
samminimoog 1 year ago
@Pastorius333 I think it's really....neat....that youre so obsessed with Jaco...but smoke a fucking joint or something man, no matter how good you are not everyone on the planet throughout the history of mankind will like his music. not that I see ANY reason why anyone wouldnt LOVE Jacos music because I love everything he did too, but your attitude and I think you put 333 in your name because you think he's god...all the stuff you said is just weird...get a grip man...smoke the ganja. drink. w/e
A2KID420 1 year ago
@A2KID420
Part 1:
I don't have a problem with people not liking his music, it's just that I can't fathom that people could think that he is "overrated". If people think that, then a. they haven't heard enough of his music, or b. they wouldn't recoginze talent if it crashed into them. And I didn't put 333 in my nickname because of any religious reference. And I saw that you wrote an incredibly puzzling message to me under another video where you threw some very immature accusations at me!
Pastorius333 1 year ago
@A2KID420
Part 2:
Is that your way of reacting when people don't respond immediately to your posts?? Sorry, I can't take someone who acts like a 12-year old seriously.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
@Pastorius333 no i just really fucking hate the way you were like every comment on that page. Like most people wont just outright agree with you in this world, you are a cunt licking faggot bitch
A2KID420 1 year ago
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Pastorius333 1 year ago
@A2KID420
Part 2:
And there you go again with name calling and accusations, acting like a kid who just learned how to swear. Are you conveniently avoiding to read posts properly just to have an excuse to do so??
Pastorius333 1 year ago
Fuck all your noise wankers. What a treat Jimmy and Jaco!
MingitarMingoMango 1 year ago
This is definitely Jimmy and Jaco, I know because I was playing drums. We got all fucked up on heroin before this little jam. Later that night we picked up some hookers, those were the days.
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
Exactly 7 years before i was born this song was made.
Jaco's fan here. Gotta love that man. ( :
MrAngel999 1 year ago
Unfuckingbelievable! Two of my heroes who I would've never have guessed in a million years that their paths would cross, much less jam together. Thank you so much for posting this! U are a saint. This is both of them, no question. Jaco's playing and southern floridian voice are unmistakable. I love Jimmy dearly, but his slightly sloppy, slightly out-of tune guitar is also obviously him. Cheers to you, mate!
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
thats pretty cool. jimmy clearly out of his element there but jaco
was nice enough to get him to join in on a number.
krang07 1 year ago
Jimmy drunk like as usual...............
johnnyguitarcarson 1 year ago
Trumpet sounds like Miles. Is that him?
jaberwocky6669 1 year ago
@jaberwocky6669 muted trumpet
Obelisk2290 1 year ago
@jaberwocky6669
It's Jerry Gonzalez on trumpet.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
THANX FOR THIS
diagreen 1 year ago
This is Jaco, and I love JPJ but Jaco had WAY more influence on bass players. Not sure? Ask why collectors pay so much for Fender Jazz Basses.
MarctheManSeligman 1 year ago
@MarctheManSeligman I think he had WAY more influence on you. They both are from different genres, and to be honest, i hardly hear of Jaco in any settings, unless its got to do with his bass being auctioned or weather report... He' was a great bass player, JPJ IS a great player, so why try to compare them as to how much influence they had on people. What are you sitting on statistics or what man? " No Jaco was better!" "....what?? No John Paul Jones was better!" "no....." yes!...." (whining)
jbonham78 1 year ago
Sorry guys, but Jaco changed the bass for ever. I was friends with him and started playing gigs with him on drums when I was just 19. This is definately Jaco. I would know his voice and feel anywhere! :-)
robschuh 1 year ago 2
Jaco you were a blessing !!
SIRONEDRAGON 1 year ago
stop the blabber
in case u dont read the description
jaco invited page to play
both of them holded mutual admiration
YorkeKin 1 year ago
The one who is the singer?
jaco is incredible
emmaserupedrogarcia 1 year ago
HELL YES...
virebel661 1 year ago
Holy shit, this is amazing! Two geniuses together!
polyorchids 1 year ago
for people saying Jaco was washed up and past his prime around this time check out " Modern Electric Bass " videos from 85 where he plays with John Scofield and Kenwood Dennard. If thats washed up and past prime then shit, i'd love to be that washed up and past my prime!!
coitershoiter 1 year ago 7
@coitershoiter I think what is meant is for what he had become at the end of his time was a far cry from where he was back in his prime,For many of us his worst playing is as good as many can ever hope to achieve,and too others his prime made his latter stuff seem horrific. Either way its not the way he should be spoken of but we cant change every single persons opinion of when if and how he is to be appreciated.
cottonfever1221 6 months ago
@coitershoiter - Jaco as a shadow of his former self was still miles ahead of 98% of the guys out there. You could hear it though those last years, the Modern Electric Bass video included, the chops were there, the riffs were there, but it sounded hollow. To quote Pat Metheny, "the fire and intensity" were no longer there. Still, what a great gift and blessing he was to music fans everywhere. Like you said, "For many of us his worst playing is as good as many can ever hope to achieve."
shikamoo 5 months ago
Sounds like Page to me...issue is, Jaco's playing is lightyears beyond the blues musings of Jimmy Page. Clearly Jaco was holding back so he didnt play circles around a metal god. Even Jaco could hold back- you guys all think that he played Portrait of Tracy harmonics on everything. Sometimes its just appropriate to play the blues!
nukes27 2 years ago
led zepplin are metal ?? do you live under a rock with only jazz fusion cds ?
jdofb 2 years ago
@jdofb lol
BodhiSvaha 1 year ago
Page played alot more than blues and metal . He is a blues master , yes , but he did much more
Tecumseh1812 1 year ago
play circles around him....lol...are you serious???
jimmy is used to playing w/ john paul jones,,,,,,,,i would venture to say he has had as much or more influence on bass players past,present and future
jdsrazor66 1 year ago
@jdsrazor66 John Paul Jones was a session player& if you asked him he would acknowledge his "place" as not being w/ the likes of Jaco Pastoroius or Jack Bruce.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
@TumbrelJockey i would venture to say that john paul jones has had way more influence on bass players and muscians in general...thats what i meant to say
btw....i realize that jaco is a bad man....that cant be denied
jdsrazor66 1 year ago
@TumbrelJockey Hey dude....jaco pastorius definately surpasses jones as far as skill n maybe understandin of music....but john paul jones is a great bassist , on o the best....i think he should definately be up there with the likes of them....i personally think that them 3 along with james jamerson are the best...i really like john entwistle too though
AceInTheWhole94 1 year ago
@AceInTheWhole94 : fuck john paul jones ( read some zeppelin stuff ) , he was the one were they always picked on because he was a quite stupid no fun motherfucker .
same with billycox from hendrix so dont compare john paul jones with jaco
or you're the stupid no fun motherfucker
SNCDeeDee 1 year ago
@SNCDeeDee Hey man...i didnt wanna start a fuckin thing here...i was jus sayin he's a great player dude.....and i do know a lot bout zeppelin...theyre one o my favorire bands.....sure he never wanted attention..and maybe wasnt that fun..but he's a brilliant musician...im jus sayin he should be up there with the greats...im not comparing or anything...goddamnit dude..i smoke weed n shit...but you gotta fuck off...stop smokin wtv your smokin...clearly aint workin for you dude...
AceInTheWhole94 1 year ago
@SNCDeeDee you're a twat
jbonham78 1 year ago
@jdsrazor66
Are YOU serious?? John Paul Jones functioned well in Led Zeppelin and is a good bassist, but Jaco's impact on the bass/music-world surpasses him by dimensions. Not to mention that Jaco was on another planet when it comes to skill.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
@Pastorius333 wrong. jaco was brilliant but your comments on JPJ are way off. First off, Jones was a jazz organist before he was a bassist. He was a session bassist and arranger who also wrote strings for hundreds of sessions pre-Zeppelin. Skill? listen to the chorus of the Immigrant Song for starters. Taste? try the Rain Song. Jones was a complete musician who played what was needed. he easily could have played jazz, funk or fusion adeptly and has post-Zep. Classically trained on keys too.
sixsixxsixxxx 9 months ago
@sixsixxsixxxx
I might have worded myself a little harsh,I see that now.....Look, I'm not trying to belittle JPJ's contributions to music history, but my point still stands. How could anyone in their right mind put him above Jaco in terms of skill, changing the face of bass-playing and influencing the bass-world?? Nothing JPJ did on a bass-guitar significantly changed the development of his instrument. As far as I see it, bass-playing would still be the same regardless of him existing or not
Pastorius333 9 months ago
@Pastorius333 I think John Paul Jones did alot more to revolutuonize his particular field than just about anyone , including Jaco
Cincinnatus1869 8 months ago
man o man this one gets me in the groove
boundtogetdown 2 years ago
que garron loco que nadie lo filmó...
endiablado7porelrojo 2 years ago
thats jaco alright,but he was going thru his bad phase at the time and wasnt playin all that well.i hate these latter bootlegs as they just show a washed up jaco and dont do him justice.
0tt0kruegar 2 years ago 2
Scratch the last part about Page.Just heard them announce him lol But my comment before about Jaco applies.
MrCozdude 2 years ago
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Pastorius333 1 year ago
It sounds a bit mundane for Jaco and I wouldn't associate the tone and phrasing with page.Just because it's messy doesn't mean it's him lol
MrCozdude 2 years ago
Definatley Jaco's playing /singing and thats Page for sure,although that was a bad heroin peroid for him,( I saw him that year with Beck and Clapton and he was smaked out and very sloppy)he was obviously intimdated by Jaco and that night his playing shows......Man Jaco was layin it down as usual...I would of tore that shit up.....
loverools 2 years ago
THANX A MILLION FOR THIS.
diagreen 2 years ago
It was a great night's music. They behaved like regular people. I was at a club in Atlanta playing a few months ago and Wynonna Judd and India Arie came in. Together. India sang. Both were real ladies. Most folks are on their best behavior in public. Jaco and Jimmy were on top that night at the Lone Star.
Kneehimiah 2 years ago
Boy, if thats not Jimmy Page it sure as hell sounds a LOT like him.
bohs1984 2 years ago 2
deux gènis
seb7071 2 years ago 2
This recording is an incredible piece of history.
jm31563 2 years ago 2
I hate when people pass great musicians off as just drug addicts
Danman917 2 years ago 34
No junk no soul.....well that's not entirely correct. Zappa would be one example. Either way Jaco rules. Who cares what people say. If they don't like him well man they were never meant to get it.
UnwrittenPaul 2 years ago 5
John Coltrane was good after he kicked the junk
Danman917 2 years ago 3
@Danman917
thats right...he also had anger management problems and was an ass...no one mentions that and people keep reducing him to a drug addict...shame *lol
SaintUdnitz 1 year ago
@Danman917 I hate it too ,we are forgeting politics ,lawyers,teachers,athletes,church & bussiness people & the list goes on and on....
carakenio 1 year ago
Speaking of drugs...One bad person back then was a certain guitarist with Jefferson Airplane. I saw him one night at the Lone Star take 30 minutes to tune his guitar. The audience waited patiently!
Kneehimiah 2 years ago
Jaco did drugs but he suffered primarily from bipolar disorder. I knew him very well at this period. I was even at this performance and hung out backstage with Jaco and Jimmy. Hiram Bullock was on the gig, and Ronnie Barrage was on drums. Many people don't take their medication and they are no better off than Jaco was. The drugs were with many on that scene at that time. Adding his illness Jaco was different. Mental illness isn't very well understood by the public.
Kneehimiah 2 years ago 38
You knew jaco?
hahaha , peoples lives are fucked up who say this for kicks.
I know the president,we do crack coke together.
ffs
carbonbodyworker 2 years ago
carbonbodyworker: Yeah, I knew Jaco, met him at a mutual friend's house back in the early '70s down here in Ft. Lauderdale FL before he hit the national scene...nice guy..even though we just said hello..everybody was just sitting around and laying back...so conversation was not needed...just relaxing..he was a great innovative bass player but people forget he was human too and passed away too soon by getting too messed with drugs. Died after a bar fight down here..just a shame..
violetrod 2 years ago 8
@violetrod the bastard who killed him was the bar owner and had a black belt...
pepperc2900 7 months ago
Just because a person says it, doesn't mean it's UNTRUE. Take my father for example: He had dinner with Jimi Hendrix once. So what? My father surely wasn't the one Jimi was thinking of on his deathbed. Encountings do not matter, there's a million famous musicians andmore than that who have met them.
snakeweirdo 2 years ago 2
you never know snakeweirdo you never know. he could of been thinking just as he was on his way out i wonder what happened to that cat who was talking about given his son his snakes when and if he ever had any
pillywee20 1 year ago
i once had scones with herbie hancock . and what's an encounting ?
Tecumseh1812 1 year ago
@Kneehimiah
You know nothing if you think bipolar disorder and drugs dont cooperate... taking drogs and having that disorder is the dumbest thing...the dicease will keep getting worse and the drug abuse will increase...
SaintUdnitz 1 year ago
@Kneehimiah
"Mental illness isn't very well understood by the public."
So true. I just finished reading the Milkowski book, about Jaco. What a tragedy.
beandog100 1 year ago
No, you don't need say more
NaNoMetr2333 2 years ago
Jaco was God on the bass and one of the most beautiful human beings in history... his playing peaked and declined like most people besides Coltrane but this is still an epic performance just because... normally all that matters is the sound(which I think is really great) but come on... this song jams! and to the guy who "can't hear bass"... all I have to say is 4:34
johnmccool21 2 years ago 2
Wow!!!Awesome!!!Two Monsters!!!Now Jaco is jamming with another James... Hendrix.
KANDIRETOR 2 years ago 3
god I love jimmy page. I wish that horn blower wouldn't have interrupted him early on in the song.
In response to heartmood...I seriously think jaco had a hard time in the end with the more complex songs simply because his bass needed a set up job. he was used to playing with very low action, right?
great jammin' at 8:14 btw
TheWayish 2 years ago
page is still alive ask him
orangespoom 2 years ago
For the love of god!! this is only and the pure form of JACO! if you don´t knew it,so go and listen some album of Jaco...because you don´t know anything!!! thank you! bye...Vamos Jaco carajo! y aguante argentina,jaja
erikbajo 2 years ago
ha ha! If you don't think its Jaco, you've never heard the Live In New York series. This is his sound, and his band's horn arrangements, version of Fannie Mae, his voice, and all that. Go listen to some of the Live in New York Series. All the climbs at 5:16 are pure Jaco. It was an informal jam, it wasn't the best time of his life. This is Jaco. His last years were not kind to him.
soypolitico 2 years ago 2
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He wasn't kind to himself. Please, don't give me this 'mental illness' crap. Jaco wasn't more sick than, say, Syd Barrett, who went on with his life.
RIP both.
And this 'piece of music'? Is good, I think, if it's 4 in the morning and your wasted... Jaco or not, I can barely hear bass.
PrZemek44 2 years ago
You're ignorant.
Ahsfb61 2 years ago
Why? Can you be more specific?
PrZemek44 2 years ago
No dude. He was really mentally ill. Way beyond Syd Barrett. He needed serious meds. He was clinically fucked up.
proferic 2 years ago
Well, OK. But the truth is that he drank a lot, and what makes me mad is that some guys go so far as to blame Joe for 'introducing him to drinking' (how stupid is that?). I empethize with anyone who has any mental problems. To be honest, I was never really interested in Jaco's life. I was always a WR junkie...
PrZemek44 2 years ago
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Well, I think drinking is a weakness (but, not an excuse). I just think he's a great bassplayer. Personally, I think he was an asshole.
proferic 2 years ago
I have all the Live in New York albums and this JACO this was either a track that was cut or a date that was not recorded, if you have heard the live in new york you know that everything is the same the only difference is Jimmy
pepperc2900 2 years ago
@soypolitico I know I've heard he had serious troubles. Then again so do I and I am a musician with countless others. We are modern day Van Gough's. No I am not putting myself on his level, but the life we choose is blues. And it's why the music is felt rather than just heard. So embrace your suffering. Turn it into a song.
RikJamezBich 1 year ago
flag this piece of shit guys
chumbucket843 2 years ago
Its definitely Page but I dont think its Jaco... there isnt even one slide or harmonic or any lick that sounds like Jaco at all. Could be that hes playing as strait as possible to give Pagey the spotlight though...
DSamSebe1 2 years ago
7:35 theres one slide!! haha
vitalremains696 2 years ago
and at the end of part 3 he goes nuts on harmonics
vitalremains696 2 years ago
dude its jaco for sure.. you can hear his voice
davidjholt68 2 years ago
@DSamSebe1
It is Jaco....He didn't play complex bass-lines all the time. Sometimes he liked to play more basic blues-lines.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
I think anybody could play this bassline. Doesnt mean its not jaco though.
Nerdy6lasses 2 years ago
Let me just say that it is what it says it is, cause I was there. Great night. Jimmy was playing at the Garden the night before with the Firm.
cadillacjim 2 years ago
Tw of my biggest playing inspirations. I've played guitar for 3 years and love page's stuff. I've played bass since Christmas and am learning some tough jaco stuff. This is an awesome find.
MrDoubledeuce3 2 years ago
wow, never knew that jaco and jimmy page got together.
b0ttomzone 2 years ago
only for 1 gig in a club, like many did, john bonham, etc...
koala381 2 years ago
someone got lucky and got a couple of pictures...I saw them in a magazine. Jaco was using an AMP(amplified misical products 400 BH...I had one.), and Hartke cabs. What a shame that there's no vid footage of this. To all the haters that don't think that this is ligit, if you know music, you should be able to recognize Page's playing.
shantypiker41367 2 years ago
It's a fact that Jimmy Page and Jaco Pastorius did indeed have an unplanned jam session one night at a club. But it's also known that it's one of the rarest and widely unheard Jaco recordings ever (and there are about 10 million live recordings of him that were never copyrighted or produced professionally). So the chances of this being authentic are about 1 in 10,000,000.
cheesepirate219 2 years ago
I listened to quite a few LZ bootlegs and there are some fills that are very Page-esque.
I like to think this is legit.
julojulo 2 years ago
The only way Jaco ever played 10,000,000 shows was if he played 1,000 shows every day of his life starting the day he was born.
ThorXMK 2 years ago
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Pastorius333 1 year ago
I don't believe that's Jaco Pastorius. It sounds nothing like him.
bargeanimal 2 years ago
It very much sounds like Jaco's voice.
julojulo 2 years ago
I agree.
Ive been a jaco fan for 20 years and im tellin ya,,,that aint jac!
Glad i wasnt the only you tuber who dared say.
carbonbodyworker 2 years ago
That's Jaco, at least his voice, so I think the bass lines are Jaco too, maybe he was stoned or something, he wasmentally insane anyway. I saw him several times in a very bad shape. He couldn't play Donna Lee, though he tried. But nevertheless he is a genius and a musical (not only bass) revolution.
heartmood 2 years ago
has to be his voice... he was nearly always stoned... he worked clubs and got paid in coke all the time
johnmccool21 2 years ago
im telling you it is... 100%
davidjholt68 2 years ago
You're dumb.
CatPee420 2 years ago
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Pastorius333 1 year ago
@bargeanimal
It is Jaco....
Pastorius333 1 year ago
woah that's a dream team!
Skeedaddy91 2 years ago
im a big fan of LED, but i dont like jimmy playing jazz. what could have been amazing: jaco + clapton + bb k
josecho24 2 years ago
Wow... Jimmy Page is EXTRA NICE!
jumpoutatree 2 years ago
I think it's the other way around: jazz came from blues (and a bit from classic music and other...). All jazz music is greatly influenced by blues and you really hear that too. So i don't really understand how you can like jazz and not like blues.
This really sounds good, it isn't easy to just come up and improvise. Jimmy does indeed maybe just plays blues scales (i don't know or he can jazz improvise or not), but that doesn't matter to me, he does it great and it's fucking cool jaco and jimmy!
Kazzimirski 2 years ago
jazz definately came from blues
joerobot32 2 years ago 2
i liked it....
still this is hard to believe
lucasflflfl 2 years ago
sounds good to me
steamtrain1978 2 years ago
i heard bests...... jaco is great, jimmy too(in his area and style)... but in this time, jimmy tryes to get Protagonism.... only hear his interventions when the sax sound, he didnt let talk the others instruments, maybe this theme, not sounds perfect....
BlackSanotaru 2 years ago
mámenla maraquitos gringos
mat1a5r3d 2 years ago
jimmy only knows blues scales,so he puts a blues twist on a jazz song.i likeit though
fenderjbass1349 2 years ago
bad jam session- watch the other Jaco videos
87redsilver 2 years ago
That solo from Jimi sucks
dermot1175 2 years ago
Jaco would've been better off asking up Jeff Beck
mrhosehose 2 years ago 4
fuck i think this is awesome //fuck the rest of you
fnrebel 3 years ago
Jimmy's been quoted many times as saying that jazz is one of the styles he really doesn't care for. If it was, we would have heard tons of influence from it as he tends to channel any type of music he appreciates.
jpatrickgreen 3 years ago
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To me, this isn't jazz. This is blues. The brass in the beginning sounds a little jazzy at first, but I consider it blues for the most part. Whatever this is --- it is HORRIBLE.
IMO, jimmy page was not known for his ability as an improvisor (as he sounds sloppy and like crap). He is known for his crafting a few riffs and songs that people seem able to connect with. I don't. I don't get value from anything in he does.
Jaco on the other hand, is great.
Gregocide 3 years ago
hahahaha.... known for crafting a "few riffs and songs." I think probably only Keith Richards has written more instantly recognizable riffs. And as far as people being able to connect with his work...It doesn't get more classic than Zeppelin. I love Jaco and Jimi. Both did amazing, amazing work.... I've personally heard them both sound like shit at times too.
kevinkmny 2 years ago 2
First of all, blues came from jazz. This is a classic blues song, with some jazz twist in the beginning. Second, Jimmy is very well known for his soloing ability. But again, he doesn't know all the theory that Jaco grew up learning. Jimmy is a great guitarist, especially during his time. I will agree that I like guitarists like Scofield or Metheny much better, but Jimmy is really good.
stevster890 2 years ago
what the hell have you been listening to przemek44?
hectorleon87 3 years ago
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Sorry, THIS kind of jazz is boring. Jimmy is not a jazzman and Jaco... one of the most overrated musicians ever. Not to be cruel but His untimely death helped him a lot. My music? Starting when? 68-72 mostly Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple Uriah Heep, the ususal Oh, The Doors, of course, Hendrix, J. Jopplin etc. 70-74 first, Niemen,Mahavishnu, then Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, the usual. In the spring of 75 I discovered (the REAL) Wheather Report, before all this Jaco shmaco bullshit.
PrZemek44 3 years ago
And what WR had done before 76 is their best music. Sorry, THIS here is a snooze. You can go on 'jamming' like that till you drop dead of exhaustion. OK, its not me, some critic (dont remember his name, it was before you were born) said sth like when jazz became a bit boring Why? Why would ANY music ever get boring?! Listen to Joe Zawinuls and Wayne Shorters stuff. Just b/c you tap to the rythm and manage not to spill your beer doesn't make you some sophisticated jazz fan, hector.
PrZemek44 3 years ago
Oh, and April 30 is my birthday.... If it has any significance.
Anyway, cheers to all Led Zeppelin and Weather Report fans! Its just this, little, collaboration that stinks
PrZemek44 3 years ago
OK i'm not a sophisticated jazz fan, you seem to be more into classic, proggresive rock, great i love most of the bands you mentioned and i agree in two things: jaco wouldn't be so great if he was alive and this collaboration is bad but you said ALL jazz was boring and there are really good things to listen to.
I'm sure that you would do the same if someone would say progresive rock is boring just based on some bad song
hectorleon87 3 years ago
Fair enough, hectorleon, Sorry, sometimes I get a bit too sarcastic. And, obviously, what I said was so stupid... What I meant was that SOMETIMES jazz can ger tiring. I'm just not big on any kind of 'jamming', too much improvisations etc. That's why I love so much Weather Report before Jaco time b/c their ALL music was a precise composition! Except concerts, of course.
I hope I don't have to say that I don't consider myself being some sophisticated... whatever. I hate phonies. Cheers!
PrZemek44 3 years ago
Man why does everybody have to be so fuckin' critical ?? I swear Youtube critics are the fuckin' worst...i've read the stupidest shit in my life on here....you can't argue over personal taste... this is a godamn blues jam, this ain't Giant Steps or anything... it's 12 bar blues !!!... if you don't like jazz fine... doesn't mean Ozzy Osbourne is better then Miles Davis... cause it ain't even the same thing. .....seriously get a fuckin' grip...BTW lots of shit WR did w/Jaco was fuckin' ""precise""
marcdecho 3 years ago 7
Wow, marcdecho... I like your fucking style. I never compared Miles Davis to Ozzy (love them both!). It's not my taste, it was a general opinion of the critics BACK THEN, before Jaco died and became some Jesus... The best, most interesting stuff WR had done was before Pastorius joined the band. Amen.
PrZemek44 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more.... been listening to this show for over ten years now.. just a cool improvisational jam among a couple good muscians, take it for what it is. Gotta give Jaco credit for being quick enough to start recording this.. If you don't like it there is lots to listen and watch here, go find it..
reeyees134 2 years ago
haha Jaco was the man. He was just like "this is gonna be some legendary shit some day"
burntoast 2 years ago
It is sad to say, but I totaly agree....
But I love you Jaco!
blepino 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more. Well said.
scrapingteeth 2 years ago
@PrZemek44
What the hell have you been listening to to claim that Jaco is overrrated?? And Jaco was considered a bass-god and a musical genius long before his unfortunate death. He made that impression at the instant he became internationally known.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
@Pastorius333 What are YOU on? No littering here...
PrZemek44 1 year ago
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Pastorius333 1 year ago
@PrZemek44
It's not "littering". A musician who re-defines the concept of electric bass, writes amazing compositions and arrangements in a wide variety og genres while at the same time being spoken of on a first-name basis at music-conservatories all over the world is not "overrated". Pat Metheny even stated that Jaco was the last jazz-musician of th 20th century who made a major impact on the music-world at large. Truer words can't be said...
Pastorius333 1 year ago
@Pastorius333 well thats fascinating .(not really)
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