There is a flow to this that reminds me of a hapkido kungfu capoeira judo tai chi like movement that's been functionalized to some extent. What I'd like to see is their response to a dedicated non-Systema attack from a skilled practitioner.
Nice video, is there another where he works against more speed/aggression? would be good to see the guy attemptin the grabs using more variation & intent (whilst I understand Vlad will be disrupting attempts as early as possible it does seem like the other guy rarely commits to his attempts with sufficent force/intent) It would also be nice to see the grabber use other MA techinques like the clinch or even a rugby tackle! also not all of us always see it coming, any vids from a grabbed position?
What exactly are u refering to? Desciption of the vid doesnt imply the guy is using any 'magic' or non-contact nonsense, if thats what they think is happenin then I agree with u. I doubt the effectiveness of alot of the moves, but 4 me its debatable as to what they ar doing (I dont have sound on my computer so I havent heard the audio) whole thing could be a attribute drill or simply them having a laugh/ experiment. This is why I asked if they could demo it in a more 'realistic' way.
@Donkyfishy it doesnt matter what theyre donig,its still crap even if a drill,a drill is only useful if its very like the actual movements of the sport/art
I see what your getting at, it is important to make sure everything relates back to realistic conflict. But almost every MA from Boxing to Kung fu has some attribute or 'concept' training, a push-up doesnt really show its self in a fight but doing alot of them is certainly a good thing. I dont train systema so I dont know how useful this sort of drill is..
@Donkyfishy a push up is part of conditioning and is so seperate from skill training,everything in skill training must be very biomechanically like what youll see when sparring,if it isnt then its wrong.Kung fu for instance do forms and 2 person drills,none of which have anything to do with combat and are therefore useless.Boxing contains nothing that isnt directly related to sparring so all training is beneficial,same with all comabt sports,the crap is usually found in trad styles.
Sparring can be a two man drill, so is basic pad work, by your broad definition that means they're useless. whilst there is plenty of crap in trad styles nowadays I think that is more to do with Commercialization of martial arts then anything else (altho there are other considerations). I find it hard to believe things that have survived thousands of years, developed and used in war, and are practiced by millions of people; are complete rubbish with no practical application.
@billysue2 You wrote that "a push up is part of conditioning and is so seperate from skill training". This is exactly right. Conditioning is an example of attribute training that is distinct from skill training. In the same way, there are other attributes that can be developed using exercises that are not directly related to fighting skills. I know of boxing trainers, for example, who recommend juggling as a way to develop eye-hand co-ordination.
I was fortunate enough to be able to follow Vlad around at a Seminar in Colorado and had the opportunity to watch him work using almost nothing but movement and the other guy's tension (he was an Aikido practicioner from Mexico city who wanted to sit out some of the seminar because the striking was overwhelming to him, so Vlad was demonstrating working without strikes). It was amazing, and it's hard to catch some of the subtle (but profound) tension and breath work that accompany these skills.
There is a flow to this that reminds me of a hapkido kungfu capoeira judo tai chi like movement that's been functionalized to some extent. What I'd like to see is their response to a dedicated non-Systema attack from a skilled practitioner.
ATACXGYM 4 months ago
Nice video, is there another where he works against more speed/aggression? would be good to see the guy attemptin the grabs using more variation & intent (whilst I understand Vlad will be disrupting attempts as early as possible it does seem like the other guy rarely commits to his attempts with sufficent force/intent) It would also be nice to see the grabber use other MA techinques like the clinch or even a rugby tackle! also not all of us always see it coming, any vids from a grabbed position?
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@Donkyfishy youre not going to see that because he cant do it,nobody can .
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
What exactly are u refering to? Desciption of the vid doesnt imply the guy is using any 'magic' or non-contact nonsense, if thats what they think is happenin then I agree with u. I doubt the effectiveness of alot of the moves, but 4 me its debatable as to what they ar doing (I dont have sound on my computer so I havent heard the audio) whole thing could be a attribute drill or simply them having a laugh/ experiment. This is why I asked if they could demo it in a more 'realistic' way.
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@Donkyfishy it doesnt matter what theyre donig,its still crap even if a drill,a drill is only useful if its very like the actual movements of the sport/art
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
I see what your getting at, it is important to make sure everything relates back to realistic conflict. But almost every MA from Boxing to Kung fu has some attribute or 'concept' training, a push-up doesnt really show its self in a fight but doing alot of them is certainly a good thing. I dont train systema so I dont know how useful this sort of drill is..
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@Donkyfishy a push up is part of conditioning and is so seperate from skill training,everything in skill training must be very biomechanically like what youll see when sparring,if it isnt then its wrong.Kung fu for instance do forms and 2 person drills,none of which have anything to do with combat and are therefore useless.Boxing contains nothing that isnt directly related to sparring so all training is beneficial,same with all comabt sports,the crap is usually found in trad styles.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
Sparring can be a two man drill, so is basic pad work, by your broad definition that means they're useless. whilst there is plenty of crap in trad styles nowadays I think that is more to do with Commercialization of martial arts then anything else (altho there are other considerations). I find it hard to believe things that have survived thousands of years, developed and used in war, and are practiced by millions of people; are complete rubbish with no practical application.
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@billysue2 You wrote that "a push up is part of conditioning and is so seperate from skill training". This is exactly right. Conditioning is an example of attribute training that is distinct from skill training. In the same way, there are other attributes that can be developed using exercises that are not directly related to fighting skills. I know of boxing trainers, for example, who recommend juggling as a way to develop eye-hand co-ordination.
HughSlaman 8 months ago
@billysue2 the moves hes using cannot work,the dont even mke sense biomechanically
billysue2 1 year ago
I was fortunate enough to be able to follow Vlad around at a Seminar in Colorado and had the opportunity to watch him work using almost nothing but movement and the other guy's tension (he was an Aikido practicioner from Mexico city who wanted to sit out some of the seminar because the striking was overwhelming to him, so Vlad was demonstrating working without strikes). It was amazing, and it's hard to catch some of the subtle (but profound) tension and breath work that accompany these skills.
StopMoColorado 2 years ago
This is just fantastic! And people that systema is rehearsed? Even a great dancer could not rehearse that! mind numbingly good work!
gekiryudojo 2 years ago 4
@gekiryudojo people dont think its rehearsed,they think its bullshit,correction they know its bullshit
billysue2 1 year ago