@VideoVault08 LOL, Joe Frazier was no push over, he stood in front of Big George Foreman and took it on the chin and kept coming, I don't know if Frazier would win, but Tyson would not steamroll over him. Make no mistake.
the first time i saw this, i thot it was Joe Frazier. then i was like, oh hell naw Joe wouldn't get taken out THIS EASILY. found out it was his son lol
hey Mess another point, the fighters of that era were much tougher &more durable than Tysons era. You had Joe, Ali, Foreman, Norton,Young,(who beat Foreman) , Lyle,Shavers & an upcoming Holmes.I know i missed a few too. And they would fight 15 rounds not 12 !!
Tyson was a specimen with loads of potential . everyone can agree on that . unfortunately his "prime" was short lived. Whether the death of Cus or his lifestyle he never fufilled what could of been. he did not dominate the best of his era. he lost badly against Holyfield and Lewis and never fought Bowe. Why is irrelevent. So automacticly saying he was the best alltime great is unwarranted. He beat solid guys and a old Larry holmes. solid wins ,but not for HOF credentials for best ever.
I love how all the haters say Tyson isn't top 10. You're right.... he's the greatest ever. I don't care what you say about Joe Lewis, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, or Holyfield. If they all were to meet Tyson in his prime, early 20s, they would have all fell. From the way Tyson was trained to the freak KO power he had, and speed. He was frazier and ali all in one. NEVER knockoff the true king of the ring. Hate all you want because he led his life different, and it paid him back poorly.
@MrLakerman89 No, Ali trained more, he ran for miles every day before beginning his training which lasted most of the day. Tyson relied on combos to KO people, Holifield said Foreman hits harder than Tyson, and Holmes said Shavers hit harder than Tyson. Ali took shots from Foreman and Shavers, and beat both. Ali outboxed, Tyson fought from midrange. If early 20's tyson opponents went the distance, Ali could too, and no way anyone outboxes Ali (his speed was more than Robinson)
@MrRevengeboy It's incredible, but true. Jim Jacobs measured Ali's jab at 5.5 frames, Robinson's at 8.5. Ali's 'Phantom punch' was thrown in 0.04 seconds. To put that in perspective, a friend of Bruce Lee's said that Lee's fastest punches were 0.04; but Ali was in a fight wearing gloves as well. Jacobs said that Ali was the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.
@MrLakerman89 I can't agree with you on Joe Louis. because that's who Tyson was in his prime, he was like Joe Louis, Louis was the Tyson of his era and he was a beast in the ring. He could fight in a southpaw stance and with his right hand and switch it up. Tyson was at his BEST in the 80's bar none, just had raw power and a sick left hook. Now, Lennox Lewis wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime but Ali probably would (just look at the Foreman fight), Tyson would do exactly what Foreman did.
@PrimeTimeJokesta No way doe Ali do to Tyson what he did to Foreman. Tyson was a totally different fighter; he had a much more compact punching cadence, a lower centre of gravity, better hip and head movement with better combination punching. Ali's ways of swaying back to avoid punches would have cost him dearly against Tyson who closed in like a charging bull with a wide array of knockout shots, his bob and weave would have seen him inside Ali's punches more than once, which equals disaster.
@Onieracraft a.) I know, I posted that in response to people citing the Foreman fight as "evidence" that Ali would beat Tyson.
b.) Care to amplify on that, sport? History tells us that Ali had the most trouble with swarming fighters who attacked from a low centre and got inside his range. Take a look at the Frazier trilogy, his fight with Doug Jones or the way Henry Cooper rocked his socks in their first fight. Tyson had the perfect style to beat Ali, simple as that.
There are many kinds of swarming fighters "sport" , that kind of vague description doesn't help us . The closest fighter to Tyson Ali ever faced was Patterson. Same exact style (the peekaboo style of Damato ) same speed I say, the huge difference was power. But the problem was not that Patterson couldn't hurt Ali, he couldn't even touch him. The peekaboo style is the WRONG way to handle Ali because it relies on using speed to catch your man as you move from the outside.
a squat short armed fighter trying to outspeed Ali as he moves in from the outside will be hilarious.
To beat Ali you have to stay right on top of him and brawl, that was Frazier's style, NOT Tyson's. Tyson went for his shot using speed as he closed in, if he landed he finished you off. If he didn't, land, he slowed down and was easy to tie up offering little resistance. He basically waited for the ref to separate it so he could get enough space again and take another shot at you
@Onieracraft exactly alot of ignorant people think tyson had fraziers style. tyson was not a swarmer, he would kill oyu as he came in or as you backed up but not when he was inside. he was not a good inside fighter and joe was arguably the best inside fighter in hw history. tyson was more of an explosive midrange fighter, joe was a pressure fighter. someone who actually sees how tysons style works.
Now if you volunteered to brawl on the inside with him, that was a mistake, then he would hurt you, but he didn't press to keep the fight on the inside `and brawl, that was not his style.
@Godzilla370 Wrong, they did not have the same style. Only an uneducated idiot would even suggest that. Joe had more accuracy? This a joke, right? Tyson was a master of the pinpoint accuracy in his prime years, but he didn't just throw one or two punches like Joe, he was throwing 5-6-7-8 punch combinations. Joe couldn't put punches together nearly that well and he was also much slower and a slow starter. Joe's left hook would have been nulled against Tyson's slippery defense, also.
@LedWhisky69 Yes they did. SWARMER. Did you not watch Tyson Raw And Uncut? He was compared to Joe. No he wasn't, whenever he missed he corrected himself, Joe paced himself, Tyson struggled in the latter rounds, he was worn down by Douglas, and other fighters. You have to admit that Tyson lost.
Also, enough with the insults, just debate normally.
Joe could wear Tyson down and take him to the latter rounds, you have to see he went to war with Ali. His stamina was no where near as good as Joe's.
@Godzilla370 Did I watch Tyson Raw and Uncut? I've been watching Tyson's fights since the '80s, kid. I've studied his videos long before there was even such a thing as Classic Sports or the internet. Tyson's style should be accurately described as elusive aggressiveness. Frazier's style was more along the lines of "gimme everything you got and I'll refuse to go down." Well that style worked against men who couldn't punch hard, but we know that Tyson could. Look was Foreman did to Frazier.
@LedWhisky69 Foreman beat Frazier because of style. Slugger usually beats Swarmer. When a Swarmer gets inside, he attacks, Foreman pushed him right back out with his 9 INCH reach advantage and power. It was a style made fight. Frazier can take Tyson's shots, he could go to war, he even fought with Cataracts in his eyes, Tyson weared down, round 1 compared to 10, in 1 he is so much more. Joe wore his opponents down, he could go to war, Tyson resorted to ear biting and couldn't go to war.
@Godzilla370 LOL! My god, you are even more clueless about boxing than I originally thought. Listen, it would take a year for me to educate you properly and even then you still won't get it because you don't know boxing. That's all there is to it. Keep believing what you want to believe, even though it's ridiculously wrong. Doesn't matter to me at all.
@Godzilla370 Really, how I can discuss this with someone who doesn't even understand boxing or know anything about Tyson's career? It's pointless. You won't even acknowledge that there is such a thing as a prime in boxing and how important that is when analyzing fight. Talking to you is like trying to explain astrophysics to a cockroach. Totally pointless, but you go right on ahead believing that you know something. Most of you Tyson haters think you know everything, but don't know shit.
@Godzilla370 Also, don't even bother talking to me or anyone else here about Douglas. If you knew anything at all about what was going on in Tyson's life and career during that period, you'd know that he wasn't anywhere near mentally prepared or physically in shape for the fight. I lived through that era, I saw what was happening, I even predicted myself that Tyson was going to lose soon because of how screwed up everything got and then it happened. That was all past his prime, so stop it.
@Godzilla370 It's very clear from your channel that you're just a Tyson hater. Comeon, look at your video uploads and tell me that it isn't so. Get lost, troll boy. You're not educated enough on the subject to have this discussion with me.
@LedWhisky69 What? No. I like Tyson, he's one of my favs, I even hav vids of him destroying Frazier. Don't say I hate him and judge him, he's the most exciting heavyweight ever.
@Godzilla370 Tyson's stamina was awful, you say. Hmmm, seems to me he had absolutely no problem winning 12 round fights on decision. Incidentally, when Frazier or Ali did the same thing, no one ever accused them of having poor stamina. What you have stated is biased garbage. Also, what the fuck are you bringing up Holyfield for. Do you know how far past Tyson's prime those fights were? Do you even know when Tyson's prime was or even what a prime is? You're a joke, kid.
@LedWhisky69 Did you see him after round 6 and 7? He was struggling, against Bonecrusher Smith when he caught him with that shot. He let his energy out. Joe could go to war, Mike couldn't. Holyfield beat Tyson with STYLE, it doesn't matter if he wasn't in his prime (86-88), he had the same style.
@Godzilla370 The only reason why Tyson struggled against Bonecrusher Smith was because he refused to fight him! It was one of the biggest non-fights in a heavyweight title match ever. To Tyson's credit, he still brought it, still won nearly every round easily. No problems there. But, you say that it doesn't matter if Tyson wasn't in his prime when he fought Holyfield, huh. LOL! Yeah, I guess it didn't matter either when Ali fought Larry Holmes.
@LedWhisky69 Bonecrusher Smith used a defensive strategy, in the latter rounds, he caught a slow Tyson with a shot that hurt him. You keep using the argument ''he wasn't in his prime'', trying to take away every loss and take the credibility of the people that have beat him.
@Godzilla370 Oh wow, you mean that one last shot at the very end of the fight that Bonecrusher delivered when Tyson didn't even have time to fight back? LOL! That's the best you got, huh?
@HiMyNameIsRoss Isn't it funny how you haters never want to give one of the greatest heavyweight champions we've ever had any credit? Haters are gonna hate, though. That's what people like you usually do. I'm going to stop wasting my time arguing with people who clearly lack even basic, fundamental boxing knowledge. Waste of time.
Marvis was totally Robbed! He had Tyson reeling and just needed a couple of hours to recover from Mikes lucky punch! By round two he would have planted "Bite Tyson! That was a totally uncalled for stoppage!
;D I just wanted to try and sound as stupid as some of these other posters. Ha Ha. Funny part is,... some are so stupid, that they will actually respond to my comment above. Seriously! Just watch! LOL!
@BbClarinet3 correctiom Ali putt frazier down in the 5th round might want watch the thrilla in manilla acouple times Ali controlled the first and 2nd rematch and frazier got the decision the first time because of that knock down thays it
@Thundering3rdUSMC18 The closest Ali got to knocking down Frazier was in the 2nd round of their second fight, but I'm not trying to degrade Muhammad because he was a warrior; He and Frazier both were. Tyson on the other hand, crumbled whenever he got hurt.
You Tyson "kool aiders" r a riot. The guy was an overrated fighter beyond belief. Buster kicked his ass when Tyson was 24! not 34. Read tgis slowly: Mike Tyson (besides Michael Spinks) NEVER beat a great heavyweight. Never. and when he had the balls to fight a few of them (he avoided a few Riddick Bowe, George Foreman), he got his ass kicked. Not even close fights. But feel free to jerk off to Marvis Frazier lol. Foreman at 42 would have knocked Marvis out in 30 seconds....
Another great Tysion opponent.....give me a break. what a an overrated fighter he was. Put a guy 6 foot 2 plus 230 pounds and they kicked his ass. Many examples...
@messier991102 Yeah, that stupid statistic is according to the shit talker Bert Sugar, so who knows if it's accurate, but let's say that it is. That ratio didn't seem to mean shit against Ali who made his face look like mincemeat after every single one of their fights and it obviously only took a few to hard punches to send him flying across the ring when he fought Foreman. LOL! Have you heard Frazier try to speak today? You can barely even understand him. So, what does that tell you?
@LedWhisky69 yea he got hit alot because his oppo, wasnt afrad to fight back, they didnt cower in fear like tysons. how is it stupid if he mad his opponents miss more punches than anyother heavyweight?because you have something against frazier? have you seen the ali fights? he made ali miss so many punches in the first fight its insane. yeah only a few hard unches from the hardest hitting hw ever, and he wasnt kd. it was a bad style matchup, you cant be aggressive towards foreman.
@messier991102 Yeah, but Tyson would have been scared to fight back against Frazier, right? LOL! Tyson would have bulldozed his way through him just like he did against Marvis. And, yes, I have seen all the Ali fights a countless number of times, what's your point? The only one of the three where Ali was actually fully prepared was the second fight and it wasn't close at all, was it? All I see is Frazier standing there, bobbing his head endlesslessly, but still catching punch after punch.
@LedWhisky69 after a few rounds tyson would be afraid, or even after taking a few punches. foreman was afraid, so he fought back harder. imagine what a mentally weak tyson would do, he would be scared. so i guess now marvis is as great as joe, and would have given ali hell. dumbass holmes stopped marvis in one round, so the fact tyson did isnt a great accomplishment. lol ali wasnt readt in fotc or manila, LOL ok. just take away all credit from frazier giving ali hell. the second fight ali
@messier991102 LOL! Frazier lasting a few rounds is funny, but Tyson being afraid is downright HILARIOUS! No one is saying that Marvis is as great as Joe, but their styles are so similar and Marvis was a decent fighter, too. He was no chump and Tyson completely dominated him. Joe wouldn't have done much better. Two or three of Tyson's uppercuts would see to that. I wonder if you even know how clueless and stupid you sound or if you're just a ridiculous troll.
@LedWhisky69 held the whole time, and the ref didnt step in. why do think many people dont take account of that fight, ali held behind the head and clinched every chane he got, and didnt get deducted on points
@messier991102 This is bullshit, right here. Ali didn't hold and clinch every chance he got. If that were true. Frazier would have won. No, in the second fight, Ali danced and fucked Frazier's face up for 15 rounds. Even in the first fight that Ali lost, Frazier's face looked swollen like a melon and, of course, we all know how Frazier looked at the end of the Thrilla In Manila. He was fucking dead meat after that fight. Face it, Joe Frazier is seriously overrated.
@LedWhisky69 "Tyson would have bulldozed his way through him just like he did against Marvis" Yeah - good comparison moron. Mike Tyson knocking out a total bum like Marvis Frazier and u bring his father - a tue warrior Joe Frazier in the converation? U r truly sharp as a balloon......
@aitraining Excuse me, idiot, but Marvis Frazier was far from a bum. He fought Larry Holmes for the championship of the world after just 10 pro fights and also won decisions against "Quick" Tillis, Jose Ribalta, and "Bonecrusher" Smith just before fighting Tyson which were all guys that Tyson fought and went the distance with also (except for Ribalta who was KO'd in the 10th). Marvis and Joe were similar enough to make a reasonable comparison, which is all that I did. Tyson KOs Joe no prob.
@aitraining Are you fucking mental? Stoned? Give up? Retire? I'm sure it was nice talking to me, but I can't say the feeling is mutual. Some of you Tyson haters are truly ridiculous.
@LedWhisky69 "Marvis and Joe were similar enough to make a reasonable comparison" a truly remarkable and retarded statement. Don't u have homework to get to?
@LedWhisky69 are you high? your comparing one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time to his far less superior son? thats like comparing muhammad ali to laila ali and claiming they are both not too far off each other
@LedWhisky69 haha i have shit for brains? that is literally hilarious. your comparing muhammad ali, a genuine man and a great boxer to his daughter, a tv sell out and a not too great a boxer. she defies everything ali stood for, everything was right. in everyway was muhammad superior than laila. also in womens boxing there are no real competitors, its not as tough in competition than mens boxing. especially at the time ali boxed with the likes of norton, liston etc. also the topic was frazier.
@PablotheCokeEscobar You're just plain talking out of your stupid ass now. Every serious boxing fan knows who Christy Martin is, also one of the best women boxers ever, and Laila Ali beat the PISS out of her. As far as women's boxing goes, she was one of the best, so keep it in perspective. I wonder if you even know what a comparison is because it seems to me that you do not. Comparing does mean equating. Let's see if you can wrap your stupid head around that one, numb nuts. LOL!
@LedWhisky69 hahaha the fact that probably over 50 % dont know who christy martin is proves a point. also im not comparing male boxing to female side to side because its unfair and finally stop changing the topic, the issue was that you think marvin is as good as joe which is completely and utterly stupid
@PablotheCokeEscobar Let's see here. Over 50% of whom don't know who Christy Martin is? Serious boxing fans know who she is. She used to fight on the undercard of many of Tyson's fights and was one of the best ever. You still don't seem to understand what a comparison is despite me educating you on that fact, so your ignorance seems to be rather stubborn. That's a shame. Finally, I never said Marvis (not Marvin) was as good as Joe, so I guess you're the one who is truly stupid here.
@LedWhisky69 you specifically stated that tyson would destroy joe based on the fact that his son got destroyed, you clearly think he is as good as his father. also you can be a serious boxing fan without knowing who christy martin is, and finally on the education thing i pointed out myself on the previous comment that you cannot compare male and female boxing side to side because its unfair. and the marvin error i realised as soon as i posted the comment. you sir are a moron
@PablotheCokeEscobar Nope, never said that and, in fact, I actually said earlier that Marvis wasn't as great as his father Joe. It's right there written in plain text for all to see, so knock it off. Again, drawing comparisons DOES NOT mean equating. Of course, Joe was better than Marvis, BUT their styles were quite similar and the way Tyson dismantled Marvis is just how Tyson likely would have dismantled Joe although it would have taken a few rounds longer to do it. Either way, it's a KO.
@LedWhisky69 now thats where your wrong, just because two fighters share a similar stance and style does not mean they are the same. frazier had one of the best chins in the boxing of heavyweight history. also possibly the best heart ive ever seen. he fought blind in one eye and beat ali, also he was never put on the canvas by ali which is a tremendous display of his chin and when he did get put on the canvas (8 times by george forman) he never stayed down. he was a true warrior unlike his son.
@PablotheCokeEscobar I understand all of that very clearly, BUT you're forgetting one basic thing. Styles make fights, ok? Fazier's style is tailor made for a fighter like Tyson. His power, speed, combination punching, and deadly uppercuts would simply overwhelm Joe Frazier. When you see how Marvis bobbed his head in front of Tyson and how Tyson capitalized on that with a devestating uppercut, Joe would have eaten that same punch. He was nailed with uppercuts repeatedly against Foreman.
@LedWhisky69 How come we can not say Tyson's style is tailor made for Frazier? I see this fight ending similarly to the way Cotto Vs Margarito ended. The Swarmer (Joe Frazier) eats a lot of punches but put too much pressure on the mid-range styler puncher (Mike Tyson).
@HiMyNameIsRoss "How come we can not say Tyson's style is tailor made for Frazier?"
Because that would be just plain, old stupid, that's why. Only someone who knows nothing about boxing, Frazier, or Tyson would say such a thing, that's why.
@LedWhisky69 Ok Mike Tyson could not engage unless he was the aggressor. Joe Frazier would bully Tyson with his constant pressure. Frazier by late TKO. Do some research smart ass.
@HiMyNameIsRoss You obviously haven't done yours, smart ass. I've done more research than you can imagine and, as a result, I know that everything you just said is complete nonsense. Joe Frazier bullying Mike Tyson is about as likely as it snowing on the moon. Frazier wouldn't even make it into the later rounds. There's absolutely no way Frazier could handle Tyson's quickness, power, agressiveness, head movement, and combintation punching. He would simply be outmatched.
@PablotheCokeEscobar Frazier had all the heart in the world, this is true, he could be knocked down and keep getting up, and he had tremendous stamina also, but how could he possibly deal with Tyson's aggressiveness, his blinding speed, his tremendous uppercuts? It just couldn't happen. Joe was a slow starter and Tyson was possibly the faster starter ever. He couldn't wait to dismantle smaller men like Joe. However many knockdowns it would have taken, Joe would be stopped. There's no doubt.
@PablotheCokeEscobar You know, I also understand why people want to argue for Frazier to win against Tyson. It's really more about the fact that Tyson is a hated figure in boxing and Frazier is a beloved figure in a lot of ways. It's perfectly understandable why people would feel that way; they want the better man outside the ring to win, BUT when it comes down to skill and boxing ability, Tyson simply had it all over Frazier. There really wouldn't be a way for Frazier to win that fight.
@LedWhisky69 look all im saying is with boxing you never know, you cant make predictions like you did. because constantly has upsets. and as for hating tyson, he is one of my favorite heavyweight boxers. i dont hate him, infact i love him. he didnt destroy his career it was that immoral bastard don king that destroyed him. if cus d'amato lived for another 10 years he would now be regarded as probably the greatest of all time along with ali
@PablotheCokeEscobar Boxing is truly the theater of the unexpected. What you expect to happen and what actually happens are often two different thing. I'm simply calling it as I see it. If I had to make a prediction, I don't see a way that Frazier could win. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it's impossible to know this either way anyway. Maybe one day we'll have computer technology so advanced that it can calculate the outcome almost perfectly, but right now, we just have to go by what we see.
@LedWhisky69 exactly my point. never expect the expected. that pretty much sums up boxing i just feel your prediction was a little hasty and ridiculous based on your reasons, thats all. we can argue all we want but we will never know for sure. so why not stop this mindless argument and let each to their own opinion?
@PablotheCokeEscobar My prediction isn't hasty nor ridiculous, it's based on the evidence provided to us. If you examine it with a clear and open mind and also a background in boxing, which I have, you can see all the possible angles and determine a likely outcome. Funny thing is, I often make fight predictions for my friends and am seldom wrong. I don't say that to brag, but only to show that I'm not just some clown popping off at the mouth. I take my time and study these things carefully.
@LedWhisky69 your decision was ultimately based on an something that wasnt fact, because you cant predict the unpredictable. as for boxing i have boxed 4 years, with 24 fights, 8 KOs, 5 TKOs and eleven by decision. not having lost a single fight so i do know my boxing and as for studying boxing i have known the sport since the age of 6 (now 14) inside out. and with that i can tell you your prediction was hasty and slightly ridiculous
@PablotheCokeEscobar Well, you obviously know how to box, but you haven't yet shown you can analyze a fight. Two VERY different skills. I've given you all the reasons why a fighter like Frazier is terribly outmatched by Tyson, but to date, you still haven't provided me with a single reason why you truly believe Frazier would win. The best you've offered here is that Frazier has a great heart and chin. So did Tyson when he was in his prime. What's left that Tyson wasn't clearly superior in?
@PablotheCokeEscobar Put Tyson up against Frazier's power, speed, ability to put punches together, footwork, head movement, and aggressiveness and all you can see is that Tyson is clearly the superior man. It's as plain as day, BUT the real clincher is Frazier's terrible susceptibility to uppercuts and Tyson's ability to throw devestating uppercuts. I could go on and on, but the simple fact is that Frazier is tailor-mae for Tyson. There's nothing hasty or ridiculous about that assessment.
@LedWhisky69 you completely take out the factors that support frazier, the prediction is bias, frazier had the heart and chin, something that his son lacked. you cannot make the prediction based on the fact that tyson was a ferocious puncher and faster starter. that has nothing to do with the outcome
@PablotheCokeEscobar "you cannot make the prediction based on the fact that tyson was a ferocious puncher and faster starter. that has nothing to do with the outcome"
This statment is just utter ridiculousness and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Tyson's ferocious punching and fast starting has nothing to do with the outcome? Yeah, tell that to his opponents. LOL! My friend, stick to boxing because analysis is simply not your game.
@LedWhisky69 what i mean by that is you completely disregard any of the factors that support frazier and focus on all the pros of tyson. thats not a prediction, thats what you want to happen. your statement is bias and utterly stupid, as for analysis mate, that is utterly disgraceful. a prediction should be based on all factors and possibilities, you have to have an open mind which you clearly dont. of course frazier would be the underdog but you cant rule him out like you did
@PablotheCokeEscobar No, I think the exact opposite is what is happening here. You don't want Tyson to win, so even though you can't provide me with any solid reasons for why Frazier actually has a shot in this fight, you will still try to argue with me with simple rhetoric rather than hardcore analysis. You keep calling my statements and predictions "stupid" and "ridiculous", but offering no insights of your own to counteract them. You're not debating, you're just hating. No time for you.
@LedWhisky69 i have given you plenty of reasons of why you cant rule out frazier, however you just ignore them and focus on all of fraziers negatives, that to me is not a fair analysis and therefore 'stupid' and 'ridiculous'. also you claim that im hating and not being realistic when you yourself constantly ignore all of tysons bad factors and focus on all of fraziers bad points. i dont want the swing either way in eithers favor, but do believe you cant rule out frazier like you do
@PablotheCokeEscobar No you haven't, dude. All you offered up was rhetoric that doesn't mean shit. I, on the other hand, laid out a solid gameplan for why Tyson takes Frazier out that is almost impossible to refute based on what we know and have seen from these two fighters in their primes. You talk about Tyson's "bad factors", but when he was in his prime, he had none that would pose any problems at all for a Frazier fight. None, whatsoever.
@LedWhisky69 ask any boxing historian who was better and and more times than not, they will say Joe was better. So who should I agree with? Boxing experts or some dumbass Tyson fanboy?
@HiMyNameIsRoss First off, fuck you for calling me a Tyson fanboy. That's simply bullshit. What I am not, however, is a Tyson hater which is what so many of these so-called "boxing experts" have come. In what way exactly are they categorizing Frazier as "better"? What exactly in his arsenal allows him to defeat Mike Tyson? This isn't about who had a better career overall, if that's what you're referring to, it's about who would win: Prime Tyson Vs. Prime Frazier.
@LedWhisky69 i just dont think Tyson proved himself enough. Even in the 86- 88 tyson was given trouble by guys who really were just journeymen at best.
@LedWhisky69 Quick tillis took him the distance as well as mitch green. They were scrubs. Tucker also took the distance. Mike was tagged a couple time by Bruno in their first fight. He never impressed me because everyone he knocked out in the early rounds were scared of him. No ATG would of ever been scared of him. In fact it would of been vice versa.
@HiMyNameIsRoss They weren't scrubs, but Tyson didn't even come close to losing, did he? He dominated those fights quite well. Why does Tyson have to knock everyone out in order to get praise? No one expected that of Ali, did they? Ali took so many fighters to the distance and no one gave him shit for that. Nothing wrong with winning on points, kid. The problem is your expectations and your bias, not Tyson's boxing ability.
@LedWhisky69 Kid, really? It has been a long time since I have been called kid. Ali and Tyson had different styles. Ali going the distance was a part of his game he was more disciplined. Tyson wanted it over in 3 rounds. So, to answer your question, yes I do have different expectations. He also did not dominate the fights and yes, they were nothing more then tomato cans.
@HiMyNameIsRoss I don't what your age is. You speak as an uninformed kid, so that's what I'll refer to you as. Your arguments don't make sense and aren't factual. You're also heavily biased against Tyson because half the stuff you accuse him of is stuff that you don't criticize other fighters for. You're guilty of confirmational bias. Tyson had no intentions on knocking every man out under 3 rounds. That's nonsense and has been disputed time and again in interviews with him.
@HiMyNameIsRoss So, it was just part of Ali's style, but when Tyson goes the distance, that's all of a sudden a flaw of his. LOL! You're hilarious, kid. Again, the problem is your biased expectations, not Tyson's boxing ability. And how exactly can you sit there and claim that Tyson didn't dominate the fights with Tillis and Green? Do you konw anything at all about boxing, kid? Tyson knocked Tillis down during their fight. Fight was scored 6-4, 6-4, and 8-2. Easy win.
@LedWhisky69 lol easy win "kid"? If Tillis won one round (Do the math here Einstein) that means it would of been a draw. ( BTW "kid" in boxing, in case you did not know, if two judges rule it a draw...ITS A DRAW). Lol Quick Tillis gave his fair one that is hilarious.
@HiMyNameIsRoss Jesus Christ, you don't even know basic math and here I am agruing boxing with you. Alright, that's clearly enough now. I think there's something wrong with you and I feel bad that I even engaged in this debate now. See ya later.
I'm pretty sure that last segment "and none of it even make sense to ME."" needs some correction. so lets get a guy to correct yours like an idiot, like you did mine, and then we can use that to replace mine. ok? good.
man you people have the worst fucking grammer, i swear. mines sucks too, but damn. reading yalls comments is like reading one big sentence that doesn't make sense.
"Man! All of you people posting have the worst grammar ever! I swear! I know my grammar is awful, and I have no idea how to spell grammar correctly either, but this is ridiculous! Trying to read the comments all of you have posted, is like attempting to read one long, run-on sentence---and none of it even make sense to ME."
@adamzez "man you people have the worst fucking grammer, i swear. mines sucks too, but damn. reading yalls comments is like reading one big sentence that doesn't make sense."
Look at the pot calling the kettle black and you even admit to it! LOL! Such brilliance! You're as fucking stupid as they come; I hope you know this.
Joe Frazier was a slow starter, and Tyson was one of the quickest starters in HW history. Tyson would obliterate him early like Foreman did. It's a very bad matchup for Fraizer.
@djsinatra100 thats the only way tyson wins though,and if tyson comes out blazing you act like joe isnt gonna fight back. foreman shoved joe off of him and pounded him. tyson lacks the strength and size to do that. plus its hard for me to see tyson landing his combos cleanly, joe is always moving. and once joe is inside tyson is gonna be helpless. the main thing for me in that matchup is the fact that joe is by far the superior inside fighter. and when you have two guys of similar size,thats
@messier991102 You do have a point, but there is one weapon in tyson's arsenal that needs to be accounted for; SPEED. Tyson may not have been the strongest puncher but what made him unique was his ability to mix his speed and power to create devastating combinations. not to mention his amazing head movement. I am a huge fan of Joe Frazier, and i would have to agree that he is the better fighter. But the fact remains if they ever fought tyson, would knock him out by the 4th round.
@deathGaurdian tysons only style advantage in this matchup is the fact he is a fast starter and joe isnt. which may be fatal for joe, but whos to say if tyson comes out on fire joe is gonna fight back. hes not backing down and will break tyson in 10
@messier991102 You are right Joe wouldn't back down, but im pretty sure his chin and legs would. lol just saying tyson defeated Trevor Burbic, Larry Holmes (aging but still formidable), Michael Spinks, all great fighters that could in my opinion beat the current heavyweights of today. Tyson made them all look like bums in the ring. Frazier is an all time great but Tyson would mop for the floor with him.
@deathGaurdian ok berbick,spinks and a 38 year old holmes would get killed by frazier. like i said if tyson tries to fight joe on the inside joe is gonna eat him up.
@messier991102 Frazier's is definitely tougher than tyson, but in terms of ability tyson is faster, stronger, and has better footwork and head movement. Only way i see frazier winning is if the fight goes beyond 5 rounds, but knowing frazier he'll be standing toe to toe which is a fatal mistake when fighting a prime Mike Tyson
@deathGaurdian faster yes. stronger? in terms of what, he may be physically stronger upperbody wise, but not lower body. footwork? no, tyson in alot of his fights was off balance and staggered wrong. joe cut off the rinf more effectively. headmovemnt, idk. tyson has better technique, but joe had a higher duck slip ratio, he made his opponents miss more, but he got hit more in the process, because he had better oppo. and tyson wasnt a very good inside fighter,joe was the best. tyson is better ar
@messier991102 at midrange, and if two men of similar size fight, and one is the superior inside fighter hes most likely gonna win. tyson would rather be farther away to lunge in and throw his punches. and joe isnt backing up, so tyson is gonna be forced to fight on the inside, someplace he isnt comfortable. plus he is mentally unstable, which is a big factor.
@djsinatra100 "Joe Frazier was a slow starter, and Tyson was one of the quickest starters in HW history. Tyson would obliterate him early like Foreman did. It's a very bad matchup for Fraizer."
Ali outboxed Sonny liston who even young George Foreman who at the time was a sparring partner would later in life say he is the only man to stand up to him and hold his ground. same fighter that crushed patterson 2x with ease . Cus other great fighter with a the same peek-a- boo style.Ali beat both guys.g he should of been crushed by yet always found ways to win ,even as the skill wasted away . Tyson would be no diffrent. frazier tyson? great fight .tyson early or frazier takes him out late.
Tyson in his Prime would beat anybody (Ali included) but Foreman IMO. His style in its entirety can only last a few years. Nobody can fight with that kind of intensity for a long period of time.
@NBAGOATS Ali and Frazier would both murder Tyson. Foreman would fucking destroy him. See, he weaves like Frazier and gets in close to throw wild punches. Foreman was perfect for that. He didn't punch hard enough to KO ali and Ali would dominate mid-late rounds against exhausted Tyson. Frazier, while not as fast and not as variable in his punches, had one of the greatest hearts of a heavyweight. He never quit and he hit harder than Tyson with his L-hooks. Hed lose early roudns and KO tyson late.
@Dalittheuntouchable Tyson in his prime could go the distance dominating every round by points. He'd kill Frazier IMO. Ali may have been a stretch but I think in his prime he would have KO'd Ali. Tyson had far too many skills for Ali to escape. Ali is overrated. Punched on his toes, no body shots and very little real actual defense. All of these are a no no when fighting a fighter bobbing, weaving and lunging with devasting force. Tyson KOs Ali in 5. I just don't see it any other way.
@NBAGOATS Tyson dominated rounds against sub-par fighters. There's a reason why people watched welterweight in the 80s. It was better. Tyson didn't have the foreward momentum or the heart of Frazier. He was fast, but he had to have both feet planted to do anything. Ali was never a knockout king. Most of his fights were won by decision. His speed mixed with Tyson having to plant for punches. He'd do better against older Ali, but even then Ali had a great defense and a solid jaw that took foreman.
@NBAGOATS Ali beat Foreman (who Tyson ducked when Foreman was in his 40s), beat Frazier twice, Quarry twice, Norton twice, Liston twice, beat Ellis, beat Ron Lyle----who did Tyson beat? Tyrell Biggs? Tyson lost his biggest fights and Ali won most of his, against far better competition. Ali ended his career by losting to Larry Holmes (arguably a top five all time champion) and lost a decision to Trevor Berbick. Tyson ended his career getting knocked out by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride
@777digger777 Digger: Mike Tyson was the baddest man in the world for a couple years and that can never be taken away from him----he was explosive and dynamic. But everything in my post was/is accurate. What are you talking about when you say Ali didn't beat Norton twice? Check the record. And do a Google or Bing search on Tyson vs. George Foreman and you'll read the story of why that fight was never made. Foreman was pushing hard for it. Tyson (as great as he was) wanted no part of it.
@Dalittheuntouchable By the way, Tyson has one of the hardest registered punches in Boxing. No man could have withstood that much quickness backed by so much power. Its not the one you see coming that knocks you out, its the one you don't see. And thats what Tyson do the best. He was blindingly fast for a Heavy weight back by some of the most powerful uppercuts you could ever imagine.
@NBAGOATS They don't register punching power. Unless you specifically go to a physics lab to get accurate PSI information, count it out. He was fast and powerful, but not the fastest or most powerful. Fastest is hands down prime Ali. Most powerful is Foreman or Shavers. Watch the videos. Tyson couldn't take a punch from a rock-fisted monster, nor could be last more than a few rounds without his engine flooding.
Tyson was stronger, faster, bigger, meaner, and more intimidating than Frazier ever was, Mike Tyson was absolutely awesome in his prime and any fighter of the last century would have a very tough time trying to beat him.
4 and a half punches before he hit the ground.....crazy
amgarcia9 3 weeks ago
Nah, as much as I like Joe Frazier, Tyson would of destroyed him in 2-3 rounds.
WOTGSmash 1 month ago
This ISNT Joe Frazier...
Jedtumble 1 month ago 4
@Jedtumble
lol, youre right. buncha idiot here
GOSS4MER 1 month ago
@Jedtumble no shit sherlock its marvin his son
vannierkerk 3 weeks ago
@Jedtumble no shit read the title
loxspliff1 1 week ago
@Jedtumble HAHHA, THIS IS JOE SON, MARVIS...
Phaeton998 1 week ago
He played pinball W/ his head lol
Marav3li 1 month ago
He looked just like a poppet without his puppeteer lol
PSEP80 2 months ago
tyson would of did that to his dad 2.
VideoVault08 2 months ago
@VideoVault08 LOL, Joe Frazier was no push over, he stood in front of Big George Foreman and took it on the chin and kept coming, I don't know if Frazier would win, but Tyson would not steamroll over him. Make no mistake.
DylanTheVillyn 2 months ago
Wow great ko by tyson
RIP FRAZIER
HypoooFilms 2 months ago
Lol things long than Kim's marriage
hperez19 2 months ago
2 words - buster douglas
Love4SK 2 months ago
Someone swapped Marvis and Mike at birth.
ThePrisonhawk 2 months ago
the first time i saw this, i thot it was Joe Frazier. then i was like, oh hell naw Joe wouldn't get taken out THIS EASILY. found out it was his son lol
danhantheman 2 months ago
hey Mess another point, the fighters of that era were much tougher &more durable than Tysons era. You had Joe, Ali, Foreman, Norton,Young,(who beat Foreman) , Lyle,Shavers & an upcoming Holmes.I know i missed a few too. And they would fight 15 rounds not 12 !!
febbster 2 months ago
As much as I was a big Tyson fan, I was a bigger Smokin Joe fan. Frazier would have destroyed Tyson in his heyday. RIP Joe......
febbster 2 months ago 2
@febbster hell yea i love tyson, but a great inside fighter who can push tyson to his limits mentally and physically would beat him.
messier991102 2 months ago
@febbster That's son Marvis Frazier, Joe fuming
MegaRoman62 2 months ago
@febbster Dont lie to yourself Tyson had too much speed and power, the fight would've looked like when he fought Foreman
multibillionsspent 1 month ago
RIP frazier
AdGOne 2 months ago 8
@AdGOne not the same guy
KN10SKILLED 2 months ago
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Eyebeemz 2 months ago
Tyson was a specimen with loads of potential . everyone can agree on that . unfortunately his "prime" was short lived. Whether the death of Cus or his lifestyle he never fufilled what could of been. he did not dominate the best of his era. he lost badly against Holyfield and Lewis and never fought Bowe. Why is irrelevent. So automacticly saying he was the best alltime great is unwarranted. He beat solid guys and a old Larry holmes. solid wins ,but not for HOF credentials for best ever.
thegirthmonkey 2 months ago
Tyson was awesome in his prime, and who knows what he would've become if Cus D'Amato lived on. But Ali, he was definitely not
lucu01 2 months ago
I love how all the haters say Tyson isn't top 10. You're right.... he's the greatest ever. I don't care what you say about Joe Lewis, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, or Holyfield. If they all were to meet Tyson in his prime, early 20s, they would have all fell. From the way Tyson was trained to the freak KO power he had, and speed. He was frazier and ali all in one. NEVER knockoff the true king of the ring. Hate all you want because he led his life different, and it paid him back poorly.
MrLakerman89 2 months ago
@MrLakerman89 No, Ali trained more, he ran for miles every day before beginning his training which lasted most of the day. Tyson relied on combos to KO people, Holifield said Foreman hits harder than Tyson, and Holmes said Shavers hit harder than Tyson. Ali took shots from Foreman and Shavers, and beat both. Ali outboxed, Tyson fought from midrange. If early 20's tyson opponents went the distance, Ali could too, and no way anyone outboxes Ali (his speed was more than Robinson)
carmodifire 2 months ago
@carmodifire HIS SPEED COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MOREE THAN ROBINSON
MrRevengeboy 2 months ago
@MrRevengeboy It's incredible, but true. Jim Jacobs measured Ali's jab at 5.5 frames, Robinson's at 8.5. Ali's 'Phantom punch' was thrown in 0.04 seconds. To put that in perspective, a friend of Bruce Lee's said that Lee's fastest punches were 0.04; but Ali was in a fight wearing gloves as well. Jacobs said that Ali was the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.
carmodifire 2 months ago
@MrLakerman89 watch ali vs foreman
lolbarrk 2 months ago
@MrLakerman89 I can't agree with you on Joe Louis. because that's who Tyson was in his prime, he was like Joe Louis, Louis was the Tyson of his era and he was a beast in the ring. He could fight in a southpaw stance and with his right hand and switch it up. Tyson was at his BEST in the 80's bar none, just had raw power and a sick left hook. Now, Lennox Lewis wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime but Ali probably would (just look at the Foreman fight), Tyson would do exactly what Foreman did.
PrimeTimeJokesta 2 months ago
@PrimeTimeJokesta No way doe Ali do to Tyson what he did to Foreman. Tyson was a totally different fighter; he had a much more compact punching cadence, a lower centre of gravity, better hip and head movement with better combination punching. Ali's ways of swaying back to avoid punches would have cost him dearly against Tyson who closed in like a charging bull with a wide array of knockout shots, his bob and weave would have seen him inside Ali's punches more than once, which equals disaster.
Ansatsouken 2 months ago
@Ansatsouken
Ali would have never fought Tyson like he fought Foreman, different fighter. The rest of what you wrote is funny, and divorced from reality.,
Onieracraft 2 months ago
@Onieracraft a.) I know, I posted that in response to people citing the Foreman fight as "evidence" that Ali would beat Tyson.
b.) Care to amplify on that, sport? History tells us that Ali had the most trouble with swarming fighters who attacked from a low centre and got inside his range. Take a look at the Frazier trilogy, his fight with Doug Jones or the way Henry Cooper rocked his socks in their first fight. Tyson had the perfect style to beat Ali, simple as that.
Ansatsouken 2 months ago
@Ansatsouken
There are many kinds of swarming fighters "sport" , that kind of vague description doesn't help us . The closest fighter to Tyson Ali ever faced was Patterson. Same exact style (the peekaboo style of Damato ) same speed I say, the huge difference was power. But the problem was not that Patterson couldn't hurt Ali, he couldn't even touch him. The peekaboo style is the WRONG way to handle Ali because it relies on using speed to catch your man as you move from the outside.
Onieracraft 2 months ago
a squat short armed fighter trying to outspeed Ali as he moves in from the outside will be hilarious.
To beat Ali you have to stay right on top of him and brawl, that was Frazier's style, NOT Tyson's. Tyson went for his shot using speed as he closed in, if he landed he finished you off. If he didn't, land, he slowed down and was easy to tie up offering little resistance. He basically waited for the ref to separate it so he could get enough space again and take another shot at you
Onieracraft 2 months ago
@Onieracraft exactly alot of ignorant people think tyson had fraziers style. tyson was not a swarmer, he would kill oyu as he came in or as you backed up but not when he was inside. he was not a good inside fighter and joe was arguably the best inside fighter in hw history. tyson was more of an explosive midrange fighter, joe was a pressure fighter. someone who actually sees how tysons style works.
messier991102 1 month ago
Now if you volunteered to brawl on the inside with him, that was a mistake, then he would hurt you, but he didn't press to keep the fight on the inside `and brawl, that was not his style.
Onieracraft 2 months ago
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souasazzz 2 months ago
Is this like a ghetto version of mma? What sport is this?
BxJerseyShorefan 2 months ago
@LedWhiskey69, also, tailor made????? they were both SWARMERS. Same style, Joe Frazier had far more stamina and accuracy.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Wrong, they did not have the same style. Only an uneducated idiot would even suggest that. Joe had more accuracy? This a joke, right? Tyson was a master of the pinpoint accuracy in his prime years, but he didn't just throw one or two punches like Joe, he was throwing 5-6-7-8 punch combinations. Joe couldn't put punches together nearly that well and he was also much slower and a slow starter. Joe's left hook would have been nulled against Tyson's slippery defense, also.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Yes they did. SWARMER. Did you not watch Tyson Raw And Uncut? He was compared to Joe. No he wasn't, whenever he missed he corrected himself, Joe paced himself, Tyson struggled in the latter rounds, he was worn down by Douglas, and other fighters. You have to admit that Tyson lost.
Also, enough with the insults, just debate normally.
Joe could wear Tyson down and take him to the latter rounds, you have to see he went to war with Ali. His stamina was no where near as good as Joe's.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Did I watch Tyson Raw and Uncut? I've been watching Tyson's fights since the '80s, kid. I've studied his videos long before there was even such a thing as Classic Sports or the internet. Tyson's style should be accurately described as elusive aggressiveness. Frazier's style was more along the lines of "gimme everything you got and I'll refuse to go down." Well that style worked against men who couldn't punch hard, but we know that Tyson could. Look was Foreman did to Frazier.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Foreman beat Frazier because of style. Slugger usually beats Swarmer. When a Swarmer gets inside, he attacks, Foreman pushed him right back out with his 9 INCH reach advantage and power. It was a style made fight. Frazier can take Tyson's shots, he could go to war, he even fought with Cataracts in his eyes, Tyson weared down, round 1 compared to 10, in 1 he is so much more. Joe wore his opponents down, he could go to war, Tyson resorted to ear biting and couldn't go to war.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 LOL! My god, you are even more clueless about boxing than I originally thought. Listen, it would take a year for me to educate you properly and even then you still won't get it because you don't know boxing. That's all there is to it. Keep believing what you want to believe, even though it's ridiculously wrong. Doesn't matter to me at all.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Tyson nuthuggers whine again.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Really, how I can discuss this with someone who doesn't even understand boxing or know anything about Tyson's career? It's pointless. You won't even acknowledge that there is such a thing as a prime in boxing and how important that is when analyzing fight. Talking to you is like trying to explain astrophysics to a cockroach. Totally pointless, but you go right on ahead believing that you know something. Most of you Tyson haters think you know everything, but don't know shit.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
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@LedWhisky69 Also why do you claim no one knows boxing. Maybe you do not know boxing.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Also, don't even bother talking to me or anyone else here about Douglas. If you knew anything at all about what was going on in Tyson's life and career during that period, you'd know that he wasn't anywhere near mentally prepared or physically in shape for the fight. I lived through that era, I saw what was happening, I even predicted myself that Tyson was going to lose soon because of how screwed up everything got and then it happened. That was all past his prime, so stop it.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Stop trying to use the ''HE WAS PAST HIS PRIME ARGUMENT'', he still had the same style and his style was troubled by a good jab.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
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@Godzilla370 You just don't know what the hell you're talking about, plain and simple.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 It's very clear from your channel that you're just a Tyson hater. Comeon, look at your video uploads and tell me that it isn't so. Get lost, troll boy. You're not educated enough on the subject to have this discussion with me.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 What? No. I like Tyson, he's one of my favs, I even hav vids of him destroying Frazier. Don't say I hate him and judge him, he's the most exciting heavyweight ever.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Bullshit. Two fthe three Tyson videos you have posted are his loses. Gimme a fuckin' break, kid.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 DID YOU SEE MY MARVIS FRAZIER VS TYSON VIDEO. LOOK AGAIN AND SEE.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Can you count, asshole? LOL!
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhiskey69, Tyson's stamina was awful, Frazier would wear him down like Holyfield did and KO him.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Tyson's stamina was awful, you say. Hmmm, seems to me he had absolutely no problem winning 12 round fights on decision. Incidentally, when Frazier or Ali did the same thing, no one ever accused them of having poor stamina. What you have stated is biased garbage. Also, what the fuck are you bringing up Holyfield for. Do you know how far past Tyson's prime those fights were? Do you even know when Tyson's prime was or even what a prime is? You're a joke, kid.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Did you see him after round 6 and 7? He was struggling, against Bonecrusher Smith when he caught him with that shot. He let his energy out. Joe could go to war, Mike couldn't. Holyfield beat Tyson with STYLE, it doesn't matter if he wasn't in his prime (86-88), he had the same style.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 The only reason why Tyson struggled against Bonecrusher Smith was because he refused to fight him! It was one of the biggest non-fights in a heavyweight title match ever. To Tyson's credit, he still brought it, still won nearly every round easily. No problems there. But, you say that it doesn't matter if Tyson wasn't in his prime when he fought Holyfield, huh. LOL! Yeah, I guess it didn't matter either when Ali fought Larry Holmes.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Bonecrusher Smith used a defensive strategy, in the latter rounds, he caught a slow Tyson with a shot that hurt him. You keep using the argument ''he wasn't in his prime'', trying to take away every loss and take the credibility of the people that have beat him.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Oh wow, you mean that one last shot at the very end of the fight that Bonecrusher delivered when Tyson didn't even have time to fight back? LOL! That's the best you got, huh?
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@Godzilla370 Isn't funny how he thinks Tyson was some sort of Demi-God.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss Isn't it funny how you haters never want to give one of the greatest heavyweight champions we've ever had any credit? Haters are gonna hate, though. That's what people like you usually do. I'm going to stop wasting my time arguing with people who clearly lack even basic, fundamental boxing knowledge. Waste of time.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss Haha. He thinks Tyson is the king of Boxing. He's not even in the top 10 Boxers.
Godzilla370 2 months ago
Marvis was totally Robbed! He had Tyson reeling and just needed a couple of hours to recover from Mikes lucky punch! By round two he would have planted "Bite Tyson! That was a totally uncalled for stoppage!
;D I just wanted to try and sound as stupid as some of these other posters. Ha Ha. Funny part is,... some are so stupid, that they will actually respond to my comment above. Seriously! Just watch! LOL!
Ghstwn 3 months ago
@BbClarinet3 correctiom Ali putt frazier down in the 5th round might want watch the thrilla in manilla acouple times Ali controlled the first and 2nd rematch and frazier got the decision the first time because of that knock down thays it
Thundering3rdUSMC18 3 months ago
@Thundering3rdUSMC18 The closest Ali got to knocking down Frazier was in the 2nd round of their second fight, but I'm not trying to degrade Muhammad because he was a warrior; He and Frazier both were. Tyson on the other hand, crumbled whenever he got hurt.
BbClarinet3 3 months ago
Tyson may have stopped Joe early, but it would be by TKO if he did. If Big George Foreman can't keep Frazier down, nobody can.
BbClarinet3 3 months ago
@BbClarinet3 Bullshit what about the greatest of all time muhammad ali?
izzboxer1996 3 months ago
@BbClarinet3 Ali never put Frazier down, he TKO'd him after 14 rounds. George put Joe down on the canvas a total of 8 times, and only TKO'd him.
BbClarinet3 3 months ago
You Tyson "kool aiders" r a riot. The guy was an overrated fighter beyond belief. Buster kicked his ass when Tyson was 24! not 34. Read tgis slowly: Mike Tyson (besides Michael Spinks) NEVER beat a great heavyweight. Never. and when he had the balls to fight a few of them (he avoided a few Riddick Bowe, George Foreman), he got his ass kicked. Not even close fights. But feel free to jerk off to Marvis Frazier lol. Foreman at 42 would have knocked Marvis out in 30 seconds....
aitraining 3 months ago
Another great Tysion opponent.....give me a break. what a an overrated fighter he was. Put a guy 6 foot 2 plus 230 pounds and they kicked his ass. Many examples...
aitraining 3 months ago
Frazier no chance in any years
SHTINONCHEVY 4 months ago
Frazier from '68/'69 beats any version of Tyson
Silpagar2000 4 months ago
@Silpagar2000 i agree but what about 70 and 71
messier991102 3 months ago
I love how this entire video is only 20 seconds long and still shows the whole fight lol.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 4 months ago 2
I never get tired of watching this video. One more punch and Frazier's head would have ended up in the 3rd row. LOL!
Just like his old man, MUCH too easy to hit, WAY too slow of a starter. Tyson would have fucked up Joe just like he fucked up Marvis. No contest.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 yea too easy to hit and yet he has the highest duck slip ratio in heavyweight history
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 Yeah, that stupid statistic is according to the shit talker Bert Sugar, so who knows if it's accurate, but let's say that it is. That ratio didn't seem to mean shit against Ali who made his face look like mincemeat after every single one of their fights and it obviously only took a few to hard punches to send him flying across the ring when he fought Foreman. LOL! Have you heard Frazier try to speak today? You can barely even understand him. So, what does that tell you?
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 yea he got hit alot because his oppo, wasnt afrad to fight back, they didnt cower in fear like tysons. how is it stupid if he mad his opponents miss more punches than anyother heavyweight?because you have something against frazier? have you seen the ali fights? he made ali miss so many punches in the first fight its insane. yeah only a few hard unches from the hardest hitting hw ever, and he wasnt kd. it was a bad style matchup, you cant be aggressive towards foreman.
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 Yeah, but Tyson would have been scared to fight back against Frazier, right? LOL! Tyson would have bulldozed his way through him just like he did against Marvis. And, yes, I have seen all the Ali fights a countless number of times, what's your point? The only one of the three where Ali was actually fully prepared was the second fight and it wasn't close at all, was it? All I see is Frazier standing there, bobbing his head endlesslessly, but still catching punch after punch.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 after a few rounds tyson would be afraid, or even after taking a few punches. foreman was afraid, so he fought back harder. imagine what a mentally weak tyson would do, he would be scared. so i guess now marvis is as great as joe, and would have given ali hell. dumbass holmes stopped marvis in one round, so the fact tyson did isnt a great accomplishment. lol ali wasnt readt in fotc or manila, LOL ok. just take away all credit from frazier giving ali hell. the second fight ali
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 LOL! Frazier lasting a few rounds is funny, but Tyson being afraid is downright HILARIOUS! No one is saying that Marvis is as great as Joe, but their styles are so similar and Marvis was a decent fighter, too. He was no chump and Tyson completely dominated him. Joe wouldn't have done much better. Two or three of Tyson's uppercuts would see to that. I wonder if you even know how clueless and stupid you sound or if you're just a ridiculous troll.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 held the whole time, and the ref didnt step in. why do think many people dont take account of that fight, ali held behind the head and clinched every chane he got, and didnt get deducted on points
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 This is bullshit, right here. Ali didn't hold and clinch every chance he got. If that were true. Frazier would have won. No, in the second fight, Ali danced and fucked Frazier's face up for 15 rounds. Even in the first fight that Ali lost, Frazier's face looked swollen like a melon and, of course, we all know how Frazier looked at the end of the Thrilla In Manila. He was fucking dead meat after that fight. Face it, Joe Frazier is seriously overrated.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 "Tyson would have bulldozed his way through him just like he did against Marvis" Yeah - good comparison moron. Mike Tyson knocking out a total bum like Marvis Frazier and u bring his father - a tue warrior Joe Frazier in the converation? U r truly sharp as a balloon......
aitraining 3 months ago
@aitraining Excuse me, idiot, but Marvis Frazier was far from a bum. He fought Larry Holmes for the championship of the world after just 10 pro fights and also won decisions against "Quick" Tillis, Jose Ribalta, and "Bonecrusher" Smith just before fighting Tyson which were all guys that Tyson fought and went the distance with also (except for Ribalta who was KO'd in the 10th). Marvis and Joe were similar enough to make a reasonable comparison, which is all that I did. Tyson KOs Joe no prob.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Wow. I read your reply 3 times and I'm still amazed. Are you 14 yrs old or drunk? Not worthy of any more comments. Nice talking to u :)
aitraining 3 months ago
@aitraining Are you fucking mental? Stoned? Give up? Retire? I'm sure it was nice talking to me, but I can't say the feeling is mutual. Some of you Tyson haters are truly ridiculous.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 "Marvis and Joe were similar enough to make a reasonable comparison" a truly remarkable and retarded statement. Don't u have homework to get to?
aitraining 3 months ago
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@aitraining Don't you have a dick to go back to sucking on? Get the fuck outta here, punk. You don't know SHIT about Tyson or about boxing.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 are you high? your comparing one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time to his far less superior son? thats like comparing muhammad ali to laila ali and claiming they are both not too far off each other
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Laila Ali is one of best women boxers ever, you fucking shit for brains. LOL!
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 haha i have shit for brains? that is literally hilarious. your comparing muhammad ali, a genuine man and a great boxer to his daughter, a tv sell out and a not too great a boxer. she defies everything ali stood for, everything was right. in everyway was muhammad superior than laila. also in womens boxing there are no real competitors, its not as tough in competition than mens boxing. especially at the time ali boxed with the likes of norton, liston etc. also the topic was frazier.
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar You're just plain talking out of your stupid ass now. Every serious boxing fan knows who Christy Martin is, also one of the best women boxers ever, and Laila Ali beat the PISS out of her. As far as women's boxing goes, she was one of the best, so keep it in perspective. I wonder if you even know what a comparison is because it seems to me that you do not. Comparing does mean equating. Let's see if you can wrap your stupid head around that one, numb nuts. LOL!
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 hahaha the fact that probably over 50 % dont know who christy martin is proves a point. also im not comparing male boxing to female side to side because its unfair and finally stop changing the topic, the issue was that you think marvin is as good as joe which is completely and utterly stupid
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Let's see here. Over 50% of whom don't know who Christy Martin is? Serious boxing fans know who she is. She used to fight on the undercard of many of Tyson's fights and was one of the best ever. You still don't seem to understand what a comparison is despite me educating you on that fact, so your ignorance seems to be rather stubborn. That's a shame. Finally, I never said Marvis (not Marvin) was as good as Joe, so I guess you're the one who is truly stupid here.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 you specifically stated that tyson would destroy joe based on the fact that his son got destroyed, you clearly think he is as good as his father. also you can be a serious boxing fan without knowing who christy martin is, and finally on the education thing i pointed out myself on the previous comment that you cannot compare male and female boxing side to side because its unfair. and the marvin error i realised as soon as i posted the comment. you sir are a moron
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Nope, never said that and, in fact, I actually said earlier that Marvis wasn't as great as his father Joe. It's right there written in plain text for all to see, so knock it off. Again, drawing comparisons DOES NOT mean equating. Of course, Joe was better than Marvis, BUT their styles were quite similar and the way Tyson dismantled Marvis is just how Tyson likely would have dismantled Joe although it would have taken a few rounds longer to do it. Either way, it's a KO.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 now thats where your wrong, just because two fighters share a similar stance and style does not mean they are the same. frazier had one of the best chins in the boxing of heavyweight history. also possibly the best heart ive ever seen. he fought blind in one eye and beat ali, also he was never put on the canvas by ali which is a tremendous display of his chin and when he did get put on the canvas (8 times by george forman) he never stayed down. he was a true warrior unlike his son.
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar I understand all of that very clearly, BUT you're forgetting one basic thing. Styles make fights, ok? Fazier's style is tailor made for a fighter like Tyson. His power, speed, combination punching, and deadly uppercuts would simply overwhelm Joe Frazier. When you see how Marvis bobbed his head in front of Tyson and how Tyson capitalized on that with a devestating uppercut, Joe would have eaten that same punch. He was nailed with uppercuts repeatedly against Foreman.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 How come we can not say Tyson's style is tailor made for Frazier? I see this fight ending similarly to the way Cotto Vs Margarito ended. The Swarmer (Joe Frazier) eats a lot of punches but put too much pressure on the mid-range styler puncher (Mike Tyson).
HiMyNameIsRoss 3 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss "How come we can not say Tyson's style is tailor made for Frazier?"
Because that would be just plain, old stupid, that's why. Only someone who knows nothing about boxing, Frazier, or Tyson would say such a thing, that's why.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Ok Mike Tyson could not engage unless he was the aggressor. Joe Frazier would bully Tyson with his constant pressure. Frazier by late TKO. Do some research smart ass.
HiMyNameIsRoss 3 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss You obviously haven't done yours, smart ass. I've done more research than you can imagine and, as a result, I know that everything you just said is complete nonsense. Joe Frazier bullying Mike Tyson is about as likely as it snowing on the moon. Frazier wouldn't even make it into the later rounds. There's absolutely no way Frazier could handle Tyson's quickness, power, agressiveness, head movement, and combintation punching. He would simply be outmatched.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Frazier had all the heart in the world, this is true, he could be knocked down and keep getting up, and he had tremendous stamina also, but how could he possibly deal with Tyson's aggressiveness, his blinding speed, his tremendous uppercuts? It just couldn't happen. Joe was a slow starter and Tyson was possibly the faster starter ever. He couldn't wait to dismantle smaller men like Joe. However many knockdowns it would have taken, Joe would be stopped. There's no doubt.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar You know, I also understand why people want to argue for Frazier to win against Tyson. It's really more about the fact that Tyson is a hated figure in boxing and Frazier is a beloved figure in a lot of ways. It's perfectly understandable why people would feel that way; they want the better man outside the ring to win, BUT when it comes down to skill and boxing ability, Tyson simply had it all over Frazier. There really wouldn't be a way for Frazier to win that fight.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 look all im saying is with boxing you never know, you cant make predictions like you did. because constantly has upsets. and as for hating tyson, he is one of my favorite heavyweight boxers. i dont hate him, infact i love him. he didnt destroy his career it was that immoral bastard don king that destroyed him. if cus d'amato lived for another 10 years he would now be regarded as probably the greatest of all time along with ali
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Boxing is truly the theater of the unexpected. What you expect to happen and what actually happens are often two different thing. I'm simply calling it as I see it. If I had to make a prediction, I don't see a way that Frazier could win. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it's impossible to know this either way anyway. Maybe one day we'll have computer technology so advanced that it can calculate the outcome almost perfectly, but right now, we just have to go by what we see.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 exactly my point. never expect the expected. that pretty much sums up boxing i just feel your prediction was a little hasty and ridiculous based on your reasons, thats all. we can argue all we want but we will never know for sure. so why not stop this mindless argument and let each to their own opinion?
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar My prediction isn't hasty nor ridiculous, it's based on the evidence provided to us. If you examine it with a clear and open mind and also a background in boxing, which I have, you can see all the possible angles and determine a likely outcome. Funny thing is, I often make fight predictions for my friends and am seldom wrong. I don't say that to brag, but only to show that I'm not just some clown popping off at the mouth. I take my time and study these things carefully.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 your decision was ultimately based on an something that wasnt fact, because you cant predict the unpredictable. as for boxing i have boxed 4 years, with 24 fights, 8 KOs, 5 TKOs and eleven by decision. not having lost a single fight so i do know my boxing and as for studying boxing i have known the sport since the age of 6 (now 14) inside out. and with that i can tell you your prediction was hasty and slightly ridiculous
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Well, you obviously know how to box, but you haven't yet shown you can analyze a fight. Two VERY different skills. I've given you all the reasons why a fighter like Frazier is terribly outmatched by Tyson, but to date, you still haven't provided me with a single reason why you truly believe Frazier would win. The best you've offered here is that Frazier has a great heart and chin. So did Tyson when he was in his prime. What's left that Tyson wasn't clearly superior in?
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar Put Tyson up against Frazier's power, speed, ability to put punches together, footwork, head movement, and aggressiveness and all you can see is that Tyson is clearly the superior man. It's as plain as day, BUT the real clincher is Frazier's terrible susceptibility to uppercuts and Tyson's ability to throw devestating uppercuts. I could go on and on, but the simple fact is that Frazier is tailor-mae for Tyson. There's nothing hasty or ridiculous about that assessment.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 you completely take out the factors that support frazier, the prediction is bias, frazier had the heart and chin, something that his son lacked. you cannot make the prediction based on the fact that tyson was a ferocious puncher and faster starter. that has nothing to do with the outcome
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar "you cannot make the prediction based on the fact that tyson was a ferocious puncher and faster starter. that has nothing to do with the outcome"
This statment is just utter ridiculousness and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Tyson's ferocious punching and fast starting has nothing to do with the outcome? Yeah, tell that to his opponents. LOL! My friend, stick to boxing because analysis is simply not your game.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 what i mean by that is you completely disregard any of the factors that support frazier and focus on all the pros of tyson. thats not a prediction, thats what you want to happen. your statement is bias and utterly stupid, as for analysis mate, that is utterly disgraceful. a prediction should be based on all factors and possibilities, you have to have an open mind which you clearly dont. of course frazier would be the underdog but you cant rule him out like you did
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar No, I think the exact opposite is what is happening here. You don't want Tyson to win, so even though you can't provide me with any solid reasons for why Frazier actually has a shot in this fight, you will still try to argue with me with simple rhetoric rather than hardcore analysis. You keep calling my statements and predictions "stupid" and "ridiculous", but offering no insights of your own to counteract them. You're not debating, you're just hating. No time for you.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 i have given you plenty of reasons of why you cant rule out frazier, however you just ignore them and focus on all of fraziers negatives, that to me is not a fair analysis and therefore 'stupid' and 'ridiculous'. also you claim that im hating and not being realistic when you yourself constantly ignore all of tysons bad factors and focus on all of fraziers bad points. i dont want the swing either way in eithers favor, but do believe you cant rule out frazier like you do
PablotheCokeEscobar 3 months ago
@PablotheCokeEscobar No you haven't, dude. All you offered up was rhetoric that doesn't mean shit. I, on the other hand, laid out a solid gameplan for why Tyson takes Frazier out that is almost impossible to refute based on what we know and have seen from these two fighters in their primes. You talk about Tyson's "bad factors", but when he was in his prime, he had none that would pose any problems at all for a Frazier fight. None, whatsoever.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 ask any boxing historian who was better and and more times than not, they will say Joe was better. So who should I agree with? Boxing experts or some dumbass Tyson fanboy?
HiMyNameIsRoss 3 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss First off, fuck you for calling me a Tyson fanboy. That's simply bullshit. What I am not, however, is a Tyson hater which is what so many of these so-called "boxing experts" have come. In what way exactly are they categorizing Frazier as "better"? What exactly in his arsenal allows him to defeat Mike Tyson? This isn't about who had a better career overall, if that's what you're referring to, it's about who would win: Prime Tyson Vs. Prime Frazier.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69 i just dont think Tyson proved himself enough. Even in the 86- 88 tyson was given trouble by guys who really were just journeymen at best.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss Gave Mike trouble? Like who? Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about? No, you obviously do not.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Quick tillis took him the distance as well as mitch green. They were scrubs. Tucker also took the distance. Mike was tagged a couple time by Bruno in their first fight. He never impressed me because everyone he knocked out in the early rounds were scared of him. No ATG would of ever been scared of him. In fact it would of been vice versa.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss They weren't scrubs, but Tyson didn't even come close to losing, did he? He dominated those fights quite well. Why does Tyson have to knock everyone out in order to get praise? No one expected that of Ali, did they? Ali took so many fighters to the distance and no one gave him shit for that. Nothing wrong with winning on points, kid. The problem is your expectations and your bias, not Tyson's boxing ability.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Kid, really? It has been a long time since I have been called kid. Ali and Tyson had different styles. Ali going the distance was a part of his game he was more disciplined. Tyson wanted it over in 3 rounds. So, to answer your question, yes I do have different expectations. He also did not dominate the fights and yes, they were nothing more then tomato cans.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss I don't what your age is. You speak as an uninformed kid, so that's what I'll refer to you as. Your arguments don't make sense and aren't factual. You're also heavily biased against Tyson because half the stuff you accuse him of is stuff that you don't criticize other fighters for. You're guilty of confirmational bias. Tyson had no intentions on knocking every man out under 3 rounds. That's nonsense and has been disputed time and again in interviews with him.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss So, it was just part of Ali's style, but when Tyson goes the distance, that's all of a sudden a flaw of his. LOL! You're hilarious, kid. Again, the problem is your biased expectations, not Tyson's boxing ability. And how exactly can you sit there and claim that Tyson didn't dominate the fights with Tillis and Green? Do you konw anything at all about boxing, kid? Tyson knocked Tillis down during their fight. Fight was scored 6-4, 6-4, and 8-2. Easy win.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
@LedWhisky69 lol easy win "kid"? If Tillis won one round (Do the math here Einstein) that means it would of been a draw. ( BTW "kid" in boxing, in case you did not know, if two judges rule it a draw...ITS A DRAW). Lol Quick Tillis gave his fair one that is hilarious.
HiMyNameIsRoss 2 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss Jesus Christ, you don't even know basic math and here I am agruing boxing with you. Alright, that's clearly enough now. I think there's something wrong with you and I feel bad that I even engaged in this debate now. See ya later.
LedWhisky69 2 months ago
LMAO
JoDuke1128 5 months ago
I'm pretty sure that last segment "and none of it even make sense to ME."" needs some correction. so lets get a guy to correct yours like an idiot, like you did mine, and then we can use that to replace mine. ok? good.
adamzez 5 months ago
man you people have the worst fucking grammer, i swear. mines sucks too, but damn. reading yalls comments is like reading one big sentence that doesn't make sense.
adamzez 5 months ago
@adamzez Let me help you out:
"Man! All of you people posting have the worst grammar ever! I swear! I know my grammar is awful, and I have no idea how to spell grammar correctly either, but this is ridiculous! Trying to read the comments all of you have posted, is like attempting to read one long, run-on sentence---and none of it even make sense to ME."
Copperti 5 months ago
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@adamzez "man you people have the worst fucking grammer, i swear. mines sucks too, but damn. reading yalls comments is like reading one big sentence that doesn't make sense."
Look at the pot calling the kettle black and you even admit to it! LOL! Such brilliance! You're as fucking stupid as they come; I hope you know this.
See "yalls" later. BWAHAHA!
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
The ref actually started counting.. you have to be kidding me. He was unconscious.
timberwolves100 5 months ago
Joe Frazier was a slow starter, and Tyson was one of the quickest starters in HW history. Tyson would obliterate him early like Foreman did. It's a very bad matchup for Fraizer.
djsinatra100 5 months ago
@djsinatra100 thats the only way tyson wins though,and if tyson comes out blazing you act like joe isnt gonna fight back. foreman shoved joe off of him and pounded him. tyson lacks the strength and size to do that. plus its hard for me to see tyson landing his combos cleanly, joe is always moving. and once joe is inside tyson is gonna be helpless. the main thing for me in that matchup is the fact that joe is by far the superior inside fighter. and when you have two guys of similar size,thats
messier991102 5 months ago
@messier991102 You do have a point, but there is one weapon in tyson's arsenal that needs to be accounted for; SPEED. Tyson may not have been the strongest puncher but what made him unique was his ability to mix his speed and power to create devastating combinations. not to mention his amazing head movement. I am a huge fan of Joe Frazier, and i would have to agree that he is the better fighter. But the fact remains if they ever fought tyson, would knock him out by the 4th round.
deathGaurdian 5 months ago
@deathGaurdian tysons only style advantage in this matchup is the fact he is a fast starter and joe isnt. which may be fatal for joe, but whos to say if tyson comes out on fire joe is gonna fight back. hes not backing down and will break tyson in 10
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 You are right Joe wouldn't back down, but im pretty sure his chin and legs would. lol just saying tyson defeated Trevor Burbic, Larry Holmes (aging but still formidable), Michael Spinks, all great fighters that could in my opinion beat the current heavyweights of today. Tyson made them all look like bums in the ring. Frazier is an all time great but Tyson would mop for the floor with him.
deathGaurdian 4 months ago
@deathGaurdian ok berbick,spinks and a 38 year old holmes would get killed by frazier. like i said if tyson tries to fight joe on the inside joe is gonna eat him up.
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 fuck no!!! no 1 wants to fight tyson on the inside
nicolasdagenai 4 months ago
@deathGaurdian I think Spinks would be too small for the Klitschkos while Berbick was overrated enough. But peak Holmes? That's a different story...
tonberrykinged 4 months ago
@messier991102 Frazier's is definitely tougher than tyson, but in terms of ability tyson is faster, stronger, and has better footwork and head movement. Only way i see frazier winning is if the fight goes beyond 5 rounds, but knowing frazier he'll be standing toe to toe which is a fatal mistake when fighting a prime Mike Tyson
deathGaurdian 5 months ago
@deathGaurdian faster yes. stronger? in terms of what, he may be physically stronger upperbody wise, but not lower body. footwork? no, tyson in alot of his fights was off balance and staggered wrong. joe cut off the rinf more effectively. headmovemnt, idk. tyson has better technique, but joe had a higher duck slip ratio, he made his opponents miss more, but he got hit more in the process, because he had better oppo. and tyson wasnt a very good inside fighter,joe was the best. tyson is better ar
messier991102 4 months ago
@messier991102 at midrange, and if two men of similar size fight, and one is the superior inside fighter hes most likely gonna win. tyson would rather be farther away to lunge in and throw his punches. and joe isnt backing up, so tyson is gonna be forced to fight on the inside, someplace he isnt comfortable. plus he is mentally unstable, which is a big factor.
messier991102 4 months ago
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@djsinatra100 "Joe Frazier was a slow starter, and Tyson was one of the quickest starters in HW history. Tyson would obliterate him early like Foreman did. It's a very bad matchup for Fraizer."
Quoted for Truth.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
Ali outboxed Sonny liston who even young George Foreman who at the time was a sparring partner would later in life say he is the only man to stand up to him and hold his ground. same fighter that crushed patterson 2x with ease . Cus other great fighter with a the same peek-a- boo style.Ali beat both guys.g he should of been crushed by yet always found ways to win ,even as the skill wasted away . Tyson would be no diffrent. frazier tyson? great fight .tyson early or frazier takes him out late.
thegirthmonkey 5 months ago
like father, not like son
speranzayaya 5 months ago
Tyson was a great!
but ali, and frazier... they were the greatest....\
comparing ali to tyson, is rather idiotic, seeming as ali would have taken great advantage of reach and height advantage...
DeejaySw4gga 5 months ago
This is his son. If it were Joe Frazier I belive Joe would win in the later rounds. But a good KO none-thee-less.
amtcle95 5 months ago
Tyson in his Prime would beat anybody (Ali included) but Foreman IMO. His style in its entirety can only last a few years. Nobody can fight with that kind of intensity for a long period of time.
NBAGOATS 6 months ago
@NBAGOATS Ali and Frazier would both murder Tyson. Foreman would fucking destroy him. See, he weaves like Frazier and gets in close to throw wild punches. Foreman was perfect for that. He didn't punch hard enough to KO ali and Ali would dominate mid-late rounds against exhausted Tyson. Frazier, while not as fast and not as variable in his punches, had one of the greatest hearts of a heavyweight. He never quit and he hit harder than Tyson with his L-hooks. Hed lose early roudns and KO tyson late.
Dalittheuntouchable 5 months ago
@Dalittheuntouchable Tyson in his prime could go the distance dominating every round by points. He'd kill Frazier IMO. Ali may have been a stretch but I think in his prime he would have KO'd Ali. Tyson had far too many skills for Ali to escape. Ali is overrated. Punched on his toes, no body shots and very little real actual defense. All of these are a no no when fighting a fighter bobbing, weaving and lunging with devasting force. Tyson KOs Ali in 5. I just don't see it any other way.
NBAGOATS 5 months ago
@NBAGOATS Tyson dominated rounds against sub-par fighters. There's a reason why people watched welterweight in the 80s. It was better. Tyson didn't have the foreward momentum or the heart of Frazier. He was fast, but he had to have both feet planted to do anything. Ali was never a knockout king. Most of his fights were won by decision. His speed mixed with Tyson having to plant for punches. He'd do better against older Ali, but even then Ali had a great defense and a solid jaw that took foreman.
Dalittheuntouchable 5 months ago
@NBAGOATS Ali beat Foreman (who Tyson ducked when Foreman was in his 40s), beat Frazier twice, Quarry twice, Norton twice, Liston twice, beat Ellis, beat Ron Lyle----who did Tyson beat? Tyrell Biggs? Tyson lost his biggest fights and Ali won most of his, against far better competition. Ali ended his career by losting to Larry Holmes (arguably a top five all time champion) and lost a decision to Trevor Berbick. Tyson ended his career getting knocked out by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride
funktron4 5 months ago
@funktron4
ahli didnt beat norton twice, only once and tyson never fucking ducked any1
i didnt even read your post to the end because its obvious that you didnt get your info's straight before writing that bs
777digger777 5 months ago
@777digger777 Digger: Mike Tyson was the baddest man in the world for a couple years and that can never be taken away from him----he was explosive and dynamic. But everything in my post was/is accurate. What are you talking about when you say Ali didn't beat Norton twice? Check the record. And do a Google or Bing search on Tyson vs. George Foreman and you'll read the story of why that fight was never made. Foreman was pushing hard for it. Tyson (as great as he was) wanted no part of it.
funktron4 5 months ago
@Dalittheuntouchable By the way, Tyson has one of the hardest registered punches in Boxing. No man could have withstood that much quickness backed by so much power. Its not the one you see coming that knocks you out, its the one you don't see. And thats what Tyson do the best. He was blindingly fast for a Heavy weight back by some of the most powerful uppercuts you could ever imagine.
NBAGOATS 5 months ago
@NBAGOATS They don't register punching power. Unless you specifically go to a physics lab to get accurate PSI information, count it out. He was fast and powerful, but not the fastest or most powerful. Fastest is hands down prime Ali. Most powerful is Foreman or Shavers. Watch the videos. Tyson couldn't take a punch from a rock-fisted monster, nor could be last more than a few rounds without his engine flooding.
Dalittheuntouchable 5 months ago
mike tysons punch out 007 373 543 :)
craeli 6 months ago
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49fortyniners 6 months ago
Tyson was stronger, faster, bigger, meaner, and more intimidating than Frazier ever was, Mike Tyson was absolutely awesome in his prime and any fighter of the last century would have a very tough time trying to beat him.
gregm20072007 6 months ago 2
Why is the ref still giving him a 10 second count? lol he's clearly out on his knees.
kanguesso 6 months ago