@BarclayAvenue I can tell u more. ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ماملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls" (4:25). A girl starts out being a child طفلة. This is further proven in Noble Verses 22:5 and 40:67. Then she becomes a fataat فتاة , which is what فتياتكم (your young ladies) is derived from in Noble Verse 4:25.
Clearly, Allah never allowed marriage with a طفلة child!
@BarclayAvenue Ah huh........now are coming to the point. It is the MUSLIMS who should be blamed, based on their actions and the way of their interpretation of Islam, but not ISLAM itself. Islam is perfect. As it is mentioned in the Quran: "On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. " (2:286)
@BarclayAvenue the only holy text that does not rely on hadith or other reported actions is the Qur'an. the Qur'an doesn't tell the story of bibi Aisha and so no-one can be sure of when the prophets marriage was consummated.
this is the problem in such countries. Culture and islam are confused. its as if these people are selling their childeren. doesnt the Prophet (s.a.w) say TAKE CARE OF WOMEN
@BarclayAvenue Prophet Muhammad (S) DID NOT EVEN TOUCH Ayesha (R.A.) until she was fully adult and capable of child bearing. All those things about Prophet Muhammad (S) having intercourse with 9 year old Ayesha are nothing but absolute BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
@saadmaan90 He married her when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she was age 9. This is documented in many places in the Hadiths that are considered the most reliable, and by eleven of Aisha's very own accounts. Unless you are prepared to say a 9 year old is a fully grown adult (which is preposterous), your arguement is falsified by the Islamic Holy Texts themselves.
@saadmaan90 Further there are rules right there in teh Quran in black and white about what is the Iddat protocol for divorcing a prepubescent girl. How can there be rules in Islam for divorcing girls who have not yet menstruated if it was illegal to marry girls who have not yet menstruated.?
@BarclayAvenue Having opinion about Islam from a "disturbed", "determinded anti-Islamic" feminist Toslima Nasreen, well infamous for her controversial writings is just sarcastic!!!!!!!!!!!!
You will never get to know the true Islam from these type of people- on one hand too biased ,atheist Toslima Nasreen, and on the other hand, extremist, less knowledgeable, superstitious rural Muslims. Both are abusing Islam. Both.
@saadmaan90 I think you have something there. You cannot get the complete picture from the two fringes. However, there are millions of Muslims worldwide who approve of child marriage. It is in the Quran. So any Muslim who is a Fundamentalist Muslim must automatically accept it even though child brides get horrible debilitating disorders from having sex at such a young age.
@BarclayAvenue But it is good to have a girl well dressed and well covered to go outside. Islam never forces someone to do anything that causes harm to someone, whether it be physical or mental. Islam never says that marry ur girl at the age of 13 even if she suffers from birth complicity and all other gynecologic diseases. What you saw in this video are done by some misguided, uneducated Muslim with seemingly very limited and twisted knowledge of Islam.
@BarclayAvenue Islam permits many things. Like keeping 4 wives at a time. Marrying as soon as one reaches puberty. But there is a clear distinction between "permissible" and "compulsory". What is "permissible" is not necessarily "compulsory". Even my above mentioned permissible acts do require dozens of pre-requisites and conditions.About this "caging" women inside the house, well, Islam says that "it is better to stay inside", not "you MUST stay inside". It's just a choice. You can go outside.
It seems you definitely have very little knowledge about Islam. Just quoting some Hadith isn't enough to prove ur allegation.
Islam generally considers getting married earlier is an act of righteousness. But it DOESN'T, and DOESN'T "force" anyone to get married too early to be exposed to physical or mental harm. What this video shows happens only in Bangladesh and countries in the Indian subcontinent. This has nothing to do with Basic Islamic rulings.
@PathToAllah A child needs her mother and father. If a children are married to a grpwn men, do you honestly think all these men are going to wait until she is 18 in a culture in which the prophet Mohammed is considered the perfect man and at age 53 had sex with a 9 year old? Don't you realize that a grown man has total control over the child and the child has no defenses? How is this "safe"?
@PathToAllah Safe from what?? I'd rather a teen girl have sex for the first time at age 18, get married at 21. Getting married @13-16 is dangerous, it makes your private parts in danger (which is the opposite of safe). They get holes that don't heal , the holes go between the vaginal canal and rectum. Whole life theyve no control over their bowels. Their lives are awful. Opposite of safe. Early (childhood) marriage are proven to multiply the incidences of this by 600%.
@202mka Okay, so don't look at the video, look at the scientific study I cited in the annotations. It shows being Muslim (versus being non-Muslim), increases your chance of being married by the time you are a young teen.
Both child marriage and child pregnancy has been proven to cause magnified risk of very horrible health problems..that are lifelong and painful.
to the uploader : please don't try to broadcast what ever you want in the name of Islam. Please learn what is Islam then try to do something positive. Otherwise people will say only one thing about you "How Stupid you are".
@Zarina2121 I read the Quran and believe that Muslims follow what is in it. The Quran has specific instructions for Iddya (waiting period to make sure a wive is not pregnant before divorcing her)...it says those who have despaired of menstruation and those who have not yet menstruated their waiting period is three months (presumably becuase a woman starts to "show" by then.) Now I ask you, why would there be Islamic rules for the divorce of premenstrual women if marrying kids was illegal?
@BarclayAvenue If you read the Quran then you know that Muhammad lived with a 9 year old and only referred to her as a wife when she turned 20 or so not younger! Marrying kids might be allowed but having sexual intercourse is not until they are adults, not until they menstruate!
@Zarina2121 "despaired of" means "given up all hope of". This refers to post-menopausal women. Those who have not yet menstruatated refers to premenopausal women.
Early marriage is excellent, Jews have married early, with tradition 3 pubic hair is the sign, with Xtians mary was 13 when she had jesus, helen of troy was 12 when she was tooled.
Beloved Aisha betrothed at 6, and big enough at 9, came to no harm by early marriage, indeed she lived for 60 years after consumation, no signs of fistula or any such imagined illness.
@piekarzczyki LOL, now obstetric fistula (OF) is an imagined illness. Nevermind that it is a documented medical issue the risk which has been proven to increase drastically in child brides. % of births resulting in obstetric fistula: 0.4% if married at 18 or older. 5% if married before 18....(That's one in 250 VERSUS one in 20).
But alas, you don't look at facts. Sadly, you only welcome ideas that support your view.
@piekarzczyki "Western powers support my view [on child brides]."
That is very ridiculous. WesternPowers dont control Saudi Arabia or Yemen, these are Islamic States. Islamic law prevails there. WesternPowers did not remove age limits for marriage in Libya (or Egypt). Any support for a democracy only shows West believes that a countries people should make its laws. It says nothing about whether the West agrees/disagrees with the underlying values that motivate the laws or the laws themselves.
@piekarzczyki It is wrong to blame Islam for fistulas, even though science has proven child pregnancy causes fistulas, and Islam more than any other religion says child marriage and sex is okay as long as the little girl has gotten her period, because afterall Mohammed had sex with aisha at nine.
Ya! Everything you say makes total sense! (laughing)
@piekarzczyki By the way, Fistula in Ethiopia.....1% if age at first bith is 18. but is 6% if age at first birth is below 18. The earlier statisic I gave showing age at first marriage influence on fistula is also Ethiopia.
@piekarzczyki You FUCKING MORON. Their risk of complications from pregnancy is super high, and they develop painful and lifelong FISTULAs !! It results from the childbirth and leaves women unable to control urine and feces. It is a hole that develops between the vagina and the bladder, or between the vagina and the rectum.
1:18-1:30… This part makes me feel like it's not a real story somehow Oo… Child marriage is a culture mostly in rural parts of Bangladesh… I have NEVER heard a rural girl talk English like THAT… wow!
@bluerubine to register a civil marriage in BD the girl needs to be 18, but you can contract a moslem marriage earlier, I think the age for boys is 21.
I phone BD every day, and am going in three wks time to sylhet.
@piekarzczyki This video has a problem and that's what is disturbing me. The way the bride is pictured from 22:10 is completely biased and so not true. It is a part of the ceremony that the bride waits with her frnds till the groom arrives and then she is brought to the groom and the celebration goes on WITH the bride. And the feasting of the groom is the usual joke of the bride's family with his "Shalas" and "Shalis".
But yes if one just put the different single fragments of the scenario without any context, it HAS to look like a slaughter. But this is simply not true.
@piekarzczyki ... if u not recpet ur religion nobody recpet u ,,, i am talk about Taslima Nasrin ,? please go to see this video/ ? তসলিমা নাছরিন লাঞ্চিত হল ভারতে
1 religion must 100% recpet for woman giving nice life giving good power to woman and this is the ( ISLAM ) and i am now talk about ...taslima...she is no.1 bed woman in the world ? do u know how ok i tell u , she didn't recpet (ALLAH) she forget 1 day she gona die and she know after die where is she going ,,,,, how she do good think's for woman or world ?
IF YOU WANT TO HELP WOMEN YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THE FISTULA HOSP IN ADDIS ABBABA, NOT pick on innocents in BD, YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT ITS NOT YOUR CALL TO MAKE, ITS THEIR PARENTS CALL.
@piekarzczyki Why do you need fistula hospital services? Because the practice of children having sex causes fistulas. What is your response? Have more child sex ande more fistulas and open services. Are you nuts?!!! The fact that they suffer such an awful lifelong fate is NATURE TELLING YOU THAT CHILDREN SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX.
@piekarzczyki For the parents who "marry off " their children while they are still children (1) the "marriages" should be declared automatically invalid and anulled because a child is not mentally fit to enter themselves into a contract of any kind, and (2) The parents should be stripped of all rights over their children , they shouldlose custody and the Government should gain immediate custody of the children and seek adoptive parents who will do better.
@piekarzczyki No 12-year old girl is ready for marriage. None of them. 0%. ZERO percent of 12-yearl old girls are ready for marriage. It is not "up to" their parents and community to decide that a girl should marry any more than it is "up to their parents" and community to decide whehter a girl should have her genitals surgically removed. IT is not "up to" the parents to decide that a 12-year old girl should marry any more than it is "up to" them to decide that she should be sold.
@BarclayAvenue Yeah sure… but honestly? Most of the girls in the western world have their first bf at the age of 13-16. I don't see any problem if 1) the boy is also a kid(13-16) 2) it's mutual. Just don't get preggers b4 20 ^^
@bluerubine 13 14 and 15, is way too young to be having sex. For vast majority of 16 year olds, no way, not mature enough, cannot make sound decisions for themselves. Not consistently sensible to use protection. And what if they get pregnant....how is a 16 year old and a 16 year old going to make a living and raise the baby? The risk of phys complications such as painful fistula is too high (permanent damage resulting in loss of ordinary control of bodily functions).
I don't think the problem is islamic, it's rather cultural. It's been happening since centuries. It used to be considered as an infamy in Hindu families if the bride was >16. So why take a pick on a particular religion? It's the lack of education which is causing the problems ^^.
@bluerubine Read the annotations on this vid: Scientifically proven through analysis of Census data that Being Muslim makes you far more likely than non-Muslims to be married as a child. Is sharing this truth "picking on" Muslims?
You have got to be kidding me.
Obviously lack of education also contributes to early sexual activity and marriage. but within each education and income level , being Muslim is a large factor ( highly significant).
@bluerubine Do you think it is a coincidence that if you mapped the frequency of child marriage it would look like an exact overlay of a map of percent Muslim?
Why is it that in every Islamic state (country in which Islam is the State REligion) child marriage is legal?
@bluerubine You don't think the problem is Islamic? You don't think that Mohammed, who Muslims consider to be "The Perfect Man" to be emulated (who married a six year old and fcked her at age nine) to be relevant to what is considered the youngest acceptable age of marriage ? You don't think the Imams, Sheiks, Mullahs (openly excusing child marriage because Mohammed did it) affects anyone's perception of whether child marriage is acceptable?
@BarclayAvenue Sorry, there is no point in talking to you. You blame islam of not being open while you yourself are not open minded at all. Just don't judge everybody as the same. I don't see any difference between you and these Mullahs :-D
@bluerubine I don't judge everybody as the same. But if Imams, the Quran, and 75% of people living under Islamic rule say child marriage is okay, then pointing that out is pointing out the source of the problem.
@BarclayAvenue And c'mon, I appreciate your attempt. I really do. But you really need to refine your language and avoid this attacking attitude. No one will learn from you this way.
@BarclayAvenue LOL… 13, 14 and 15 is way too young to be having sex?? ^^ … OMG, my frnd lost her virginity at the age of 12…and most of my frnds at 16. And I said, "just don't get pregnant b4 20". For God's sake I'm not insisting on getting pregnant! My point is, the partner should not be in this case older than 18. Otherwise it would be child abuse. In Bangladesh, the groom is often >20 or even sometimes >30 while the girl is <18. THIS is child abuse.
@piekarzczyki a 12 year olds body is not ready to give brith so its ok for an older man to marry and have sex with a little girl then right you should be ashamed of yourself! im guess your a man how woud u ike if someone said okay your going to be with this old man and he is going to take you away from your friends and family and you better have sex with him you need help!
I am aware of the size of their genitals, I am married to A BENGALI WOMAN, and have seen many m,any family members naked at all stages of development, and indeed have inspected ther genitals, as I am the richest in the family and have piad for all the circumscisions the past 22 years _ trust me they are midgets it the todgers world
@piekarzczyki Yes it would. There is a plethora of medical studies that show that 12 year old and 13 yearold and 14 year old girls develop painful and debilitiating Fistulas due to becoming pregnant at such a young age. It is damaging to a girl's body.
@piekarzczyki Further, it does child sex (regardless of whether after menses or not) does psychological harm as their minds are still children's minds (the deveopment of the mind into an adult psychology usually happens after menses). They are not fit to decide for themselves when to have sex, or whether it is harmful to them because they are kids and do not have good judgement over what does and does not harm them.
@piekarzczyki And it would certainly be rare indeed for a young teen (12, 13,14) even after menses, to have the mental constitution to defy a much older husband figure who they are told they must obey, even if he was abusive. A child cannot be expected to have the capacity to defend herself or to seek help. That is why children have parents, to watch over them everyday in every aspect of daily life. Which (obviously) the parents are powerless to do if the child is not living with them.
In any case its not really a problem the girls getting married early, very few of these married early came to any real harm, and the reason is simple, and medical.
Most of the bengali males are not well endowed, their tadger size is only 3 to 5 inches and they are slim, and most of them perform the act of coitition in les than 5 minutes.
So the tiny willy for short duration will do no harm, its not like a full grown Polish or Scottish or Arab chopper pounding away for 15 to 25 mins.
@piekarzczyki You are wrong on so many levels here. Unless you have fncked many Bengali males yourself, you should probably trust the medical community as to their genitalia size. Secondly, It is pregnancy that causes grave and HORRIBLE LIFELONG painful conditions when the person gets pregnant at too young an age. Thirdly, a girl can be damanged by sex if the man has sex with her forcefully when she is not physically ready in the moment, regardless of whether she has reached menses or not
This is not quite right, I have travelled to Sylhet every two years for past 20 years, the average age for marriage now in sylhet and environs is about 16.5 in country and 18 in sylhet town.
By law its 18, and now with near all having ID cards its on the cards that marriage age will increase.
It may be different in kiddyfiddler towns like dhaka
The Towns in which I have experience, Daka dokin, kaloura, chaatok, fenchugang. sylhet, habiganj, all improving as time goes on
@piekarzczyki Yes, you are correct. The average age has risen sharply in the last decade. The video description states that the data is from Census 1991.
As a british bangladeshi I can say this is bullshit, my mother was raised in the village and was arrnaged married to my father age of 24, you may find a few stories where people got married young, why dont you sort your own problem before trying to expose antoher country. In uk if you aint lost your virginity by the age of 14 the is something wrong with this indivual
@Faruk1189 I am not British, you are. Education delays marriage. Your parents are educated. If you are age 20, your parents would have gotten married in1992, at whcih point the average age of marriage was 16. Your parents (a particular case) happened to get married at an age which was 8 YEARS older than the average Bangaldeshi age of marriage
This video is made up by those people who is against Islam and want to break our family values.Stupid,You are suck and sick.We saw In so-called civilized countries most of the girls have sexual experience before they reach age level 15.All Schools and colleges are full of unmarried mom and dad and they say that their kids are unwanted to them.Listen you stupid journeyman whatever you want to spread with this so-called study; all open minded people hate you.
@202mka Allowing 13 year olds to marry is your "family values"?
Ya, most 15 year olds in civilized countries have sexual experiences, like kissing, tongue kissing, and "second base". Problem is you think this is horribly shameful but are totally okay by your 14 year old getting boinked daily by a 30 year old as long as his religion is Islam and they have been "married". Nevermind the pesky fact that she may be too young to understand what a marriage commitment really is under Islam.
Umarried moms in United States NEVER say to their kids that they are unwanted.....that is a vicious lie. If fundamentalist Islam is so great why do you have to keep telling lies about the West to try and make it look not-so-bad by comparison?
@BarclayAvenue unlike ur opinions, most of the content in this video are based on statistics; in another word, facts. So are u saying that it is wrong to state the facts? Moreover, are u saying that girls are supposed to be treated that way b/c of ur "family values"
@iAyume I am saying you tell lies ("All schools and colleges are full of unmarried mom and dad and they say their kid are unwanted to them") and your values are sooo fncked up ("This video [about child marriage] is made up by those people who want to break our family values") . I was the one who posted the video and made the annotation content which references the results of a scientific study.
WHAT HAPPEND TO MUSLIMS...WHAT FOOLISH THEY ARE FOR EVERYTHING...........SHAME ON MUSLIM PEOPLE. MUSLIM SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THEIR TRUTH ROOT WHICH IS HINDUISM.
This video also says things like how Muhammad consummated the marriage with 9-yr old girl. Well in the Bible, it talks about having incest with your own daughter and lots of weird things like that. So can't say that Christian is any better than Islam.
@rarecombo Christians don't follow the Old Testament. But this is not a "contest" abour which religion can stoop the lowest. Even if Xtians did follow the Old Testament (which they don't), it wouldn't make Islam any less wrong or any less despicable for permitting children to marry.
Well some of the facts about women in this video is true, this video has an agenda to make Islam look bad. The plight of woman has not so much to do with Islam as it has to do with poverty, economics, and culture. Yes people prefer to have a son, but it is a rational decision in a country where there is no social security, health insurance, unemployment or old-age benefits, & this doesn't only happen in Bangladesh or muslim communities, but also in almost every Hindu community in rural India.
@cowboythefukup I just wasted my time reading your rubbish on youtube . But anyways this video has nothing to do with islam just pure culture islamic marriages are not like this .These musim are not the good ones that follow it correctly . But anyways i dont even know why I am explaining this to people who are stubborn . Just pure culture so remember that and learn from it
@beyond4007 If you are Muslim, instead of denying the reality, which is that Muslim girls in BD are more likely to be married as a teenager than non-muslims (probably becuase Mohammed is considered the perfect man and himself married a six year old), you should instead work to change that reality, and stop child marriage among Muslims. It is a sick hurtful practice and the kids get raped once "married".
@BarclayAvenue Reality ?? what is there to deny .. I just said to you fr the 3rd time because its the muslims you automatically believe all muslim marriages in BG are like that . So you saying hindu and christians in BG are not ? so just because the put up a video and a little script on paper claiming its only the muslims you are gonna believe that . Yes it is sick to the girls who get abused in marriges but you cant say its only muslim, again understand b4 you start typing
@BarclayAvenue And you really need to get this out your mind as this is pure culture . This was done years ago Prophet Muhammed (saw) times . Now days cultures know its wrong to force girls but they still do it . In islam women have a choice to who and when they want to marry its culture so dont try add islam in to it cus it has nothing to do with it just cultures have that practice just like Hindu girl force marriges just like seik force marriages you really need .
@beyond4007 the Bindi is a cultural thing, Islam is Islam but many cultures follow it. they use flowers, music, and the bindi "spot", clothings, decoration etc. They are Muslim.
the schitzophrenic pedofile muhammad started this when he "married" Aisha when she was 6 years old and then raped her when she was 9 years old. Ignorant, brainwashed pedofiles following a schitzophrenic misogenist pedofile. What else can you expect from these backward ignorant people. The hindu and muslim community are the only ones that can stop this perversion. Educate the women.
@cowboythefukup Please remember that the country is 99% Muslim, that people are born innocent, and they are taught certain values and practices from early on. Despite this, there are a lot of people in bangadesh including key members of governmnet really trying to make a differfence and are succeeding. Through campaigns and a few comitted wealthy individuals and the government efforts they spawned, in just 8 years, the age of marriage jumped by 5. A handful of people changed a whole nation.
@cowboythefukup I understand the anger. So many girls suffer, raped in 'marriage'. But Expecting very little from 'shit' people is probably the thing that will help the least. There is hatred in your voice. Hate the practice not the people. Showing the source - connection to the ideology that creates the practice, and the consequences the suffering is helpful.
@BarclayAvenue Guess you didn't realize that I was responding to some muslim apologist calling me a "shit head". Where did you get your data on the age of marriage going up by 5 years? I don't think that is accurate for islamic states world wide or for Bangladesh. I hate the IED, the person that planted it and the cult who's doctrins told him to do it.
@cowboythefukup No, I wasn't quoting you, I was just using the word to sum up your view of them as ignorant, schizophrenic misogenist pedofiles. No, the profound progress is definitely not across Islamic states worldwide, its for Bangladesh. There was a huge study done in 1991, at that time 20% - a full 1 in 5 - of females got married at 13 or younger (e.g. 13, 12, 11, 10), and the average age was 16. Now the 13 or younger has plummeted and the average age is 18 last time I checked.
@BarclayAvenue *Correction*, in the year 1991 it was 30% (1 in 3 girls) are married by the age of 13, and 5% 1 in every 50 girls married by the age of 10.
@BarclayAvenue I will check on those statistics. underage marriage is on the rise in Nigeria and some other countries and I highly doubt that in islamic countries world wide there is such a pronounced decline as you site for Bangladesh. I called muhammed a schitzophrenic, misogenist, pedofife because he was. I call a 56 year old man that rapes a 6 year old child, a pedofile not a prophet. muslims that copy that behavior are pedofiles in any sane persons definition.
@cowboythefukup Why do you highly doubt it? Bangladesh has consistently been near 100% Muslim static and there have been a few highly motivated well-resourced individuals working very hard to engage the government to obliterate child marriage, despite Mohammed's example (if you want to call it that).
Well-intentioned people can and do make a difference.
"According to UNICEF’s 2011 State of the World’s Children report, about a third of women in Bangladesh aged 20-24 are married by the age of 15, and 66 percent percent of girls will wed before their 18th birthday - up 2 percent from 2009."
"DHAKA, 6 April 2011 (IRIN) - Despite various government and non-governmental initiatives to stem child marriage in Bangladesh, parents are continuing to marry off their underage daughters, health experts say. "
@cowboythefukup So you say that in 2011: 24 yrs - 14 yrs = 10 yrs. Duh. women in this age demographic were first married 9 or 10 years ago. TOTALLY consistent with 1991 statistics I cite here in the deescription and annotation.
2011 - 1991 = 10 years. You are saying not much has changed now compared with 10 years and to support your claim you (ridiculously) cite 10 year old data. Oh the irony.
@BarclayAvenue Are you trying to make some point again? It took you 2 weeks to think of something to say and you still aren't worth reading. Let me try to help you. Just state your opinion, such as it is, in a clear, concise statement without using words like "plethora" to try and sound like you're an intellectual. You just don't have the chops! So, state your point clearly, if you have one. I'll give you one last chance.
@BarclayAvenue "Occasionally the authorities have intervened to stop child marriages: In March police halted the wedding of 10-year-old Sathi Akter, daughter of an agricultural worker in Saturia village, Manikganj District, 70km northwest of Dhaka.
But more often the law is not enforced, and parents marry off their daughters secretly, with devastating consequences for their health and well-being. "
"BANGLADESH: Parents still not heeding child marriage warnings"
I will believe UNICEF and the data they provide instead of your opinion and wishfull thinking.
“Early marriage is a big problem for Bangladesh. We cannot reduce maternal mortality and morbidity if we do not stop early marriage,” Gias Uddin, a project manager for the Family Planning Association of Bangladesh (FPAB), the largest family planning NGO in the country, told IRIN.
@cowboythefukup Data mostly metastudies run off the census. Non muslims average age at first marriage is a couple years higher, though almost everybody is Muslim, there are still plenty of Non-Muslims to run the comparison. Ive cited the comparison study (journal refrence) here too.
You tought is wrong , Islam give women more wright then other religion , its people who do wrong thing but in Islam always beautiful way of life for all human being .if u don't believe read Quran u will find the truth because people can say wrong or wright things but Quran is always truth
this situation about 20 years ago....not now fool...... now the situation is batter.....look Islam is not a problem ...its a greatest religion in earth ...the problem is the people....we are fool ... generally we don't follow the Islamic rules properly that's the main problem ......
This fellow seems to have a lot of interesting things to say in the comments section. Women can work, just within certain sectors that are in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah. And besides it's rather counter-intuitive to have a job WITH small children don't you think? If a man is earning for his family and they are financially stable while the mother tends to the child(of course the father has a part in the upbringing of the child, just not as great as the mother, why go out and work?
@ISMASHYOUBRO Children are only small for a couple years, don't you THINK? Fathers today are very engaged with their children, the kids benefit enormously from the closeness of a father and mother, moreso than having closeness with mother but not father. Why go "out" and work?(!) Women are smart and can contribute to science and society, make the world a better place, increase understanding, build greatness, and enable insight. Your mind's been narrowed.
@BarclayAvenue Are you so ready to assume that I'm narrow minded? I don't mind women working so long as it doesn't infringe upon the upbringing of the child. The best teacher is the mother and children are in need of both parents for more than just a 'couple years'. You seem to make a LOT of blanket statements about western society. Granted its generally far better off then the rest of the world, but the family model is being skewered. Just look at the divorce rates.
@ISMASHYOUBRO You don't "MIND" women working!? Since when did half of humanity have to ask YOU for permission to make something of themselves? Of course children need lots of love attention and guidance in their formative years. Truth is after year 4, the kids are in school until 3:30 PM. Really? You are considering having women feel guilty about working when the kids are at school for the entire workday anyway? Seriously? What are they supposed to do while the kids are in school?
@BarclayAvenue1000 "You don't "MIND" women working!? Since when did half of humanity have to ask YOU for permission to make something of themselves?"
How pretentious. Yes I don't mind women working. This is after all an opinion right? I've never really had a problem with it. My only premise was that it should not ruin the upbringing of the child for that is the first priority. Christ; I love how instantly you jump to conclusions.
"You are considering having women feel guilty about working when the kids are at school for the entire workday anyway?"
Loaded question. And there are actually many things the women can do that is within the realm of the Qur'an and Sunnah. Islam understands the circumstances people face and based off that women can have leeway as to what profession they may undertake. I'm from a religious Muslim background and my sister is aiming to become a brain surgeon. Don't judge me.
@BarclayAvenue By the way it was not my intent to underscore the importance of the father in relation to his own child, rather it was to emphasize that the women plays a more prominent role in raising a child in comparison to the father. This is the general outlook, and is not limited to this since there are, as in everything exceptions.
@ISMASHYOUBRO Right, women can work as long as they don't violate the Sunna, like they have interaction with men who are not their husband, which pretty much precludes them from every occupation and position from bank teller to DMV to physical therapist to CFO to Professor to EMT to newscaster to Engineer. They are supposed to work behind the scenes, like as telephone operator, babysitter, or can even be a chemist -- in an all-women laboratory! What crap.
Please educate yourself a bit on womens rights in Islam. In an ideal Islamic state, full segregation of the genders in the public sectors would be put into effect, unless the need arises for them to mix(cry me a river about that one, I'm telling it as it is). Since that's OBVIOUSLY not the case today, things can be adjusted but the overruling concept of maintaining one's modesty(for both genders) cannot be compromised. There's a lot more to this topic then may initially seem.
@ISMASHYOUBRO Right, you said it exactly.... Things can be adjusted SINCE there's obviously no gender apartheid, but Ideally you want it as an "Ideal" State.
Didn't you learn ANYTHING from the Civil rights movement? There IS no such thing as seperate but equal... and it only leads to more bigotry by whatever criteria you are segregating people by.
@BarclayAvenue "Right, you said it exactly.... Things can be adjusted SINCE there's obviously no gender apartheid, but Ideally you want it as an "Ideal" State."
Things are only adjusted when circumstances fail to present themselves otherwise. Just like the permissibility of eating anything that isn't permissible by Sharia when in a matter of life and death or buying a house on interest when it is impossible to get a house otherwise(ie. renting so forth).
@BarclayAvenue Where, oh WHERE did I assume that you were a male? Is this a legitimate reply?
And let's say I did. It would be a mere mistake on my part. Has nothing to do with anything. But thanks for making assumptions out of thin air.
Notice that I haven't even said anything NEGATIVE regarding women? At ALL? I'm against forced marriages, and I agree with the message of this video. Only problem is that your understanding of women in Islam is(like many others) flawed.
@ISMASHYOUBRO How is it flawed? I am aware that when you are in a non-Islamic state you have to abide by its laws until you reach sufficient 'terminal' velocity to make an Islamic state and impose the Sharia. Quite aware. Quite aware what Quran says. Difficulty understanding how anyone can defend gender apartheid. Difficulty understanding how y'all get any sleep after shaming half the human population into thinking they should wear ghost costumes and try to hide the fact they have legs.
@BarclayAvenue "Difficulty understanding how y'all get any sleep after shaming half the human population into thinking they should wear ghost costumes and try to hide the fact they have legs."
You have difficulty understanding plenty about the Hijab. By the way I still fail to fathom how your gender fails to play in this discussion. I could be a 40 year old woman for all you know. I'll get to your other posts later.
Gender apartheid in schools for one is actually beneficial to the academic performance in schools. Boys only and girls only schools tend to have higher test scores if implemented right. I wonder why?
@ISMASHYOUBRO That is because they are private prep schools. The parents of these kids come from a higher social economic class where higher education is the norm.
@jdk209 That's true and rather unfortunate. However there are studies that have been done in public schools if I recall but within the last several decades gender separate public schools have really diminished.
@BarclayAvenue Gender separation is usually put into place when a person reaches past his/her teen years(ie. ages 14-17 roughly). It's not like the two are alien to one another.
@beyond4007 the Bindi is a cultural thing, Islam is Islam but many cultures follow it. they use flowers, music, and the bindi. Its different kind of like different foods, clothings, decoration etc. They are Muslim.
This bitch taslima what she want 'smoking, sex with different guy,do whatever she wanna do . She is bitch . I'm a Muslim bengali girl & my life is respectful full of freedom . I got married when I wanted never got forced by my family . I'm well educated. My husband is a nice guy & we r happy
Thing is Islam don't force woman to marry at a early age. But it forces a girl to obey her parents/family. Although it's mostly the society that forces girls to marry early .. society uses religion to shut up anyone trying to speak against.
@beyond4007 actually the bindu you are talking about is traditionally worn by most bangladeshi woman. Hindu's make a bindu using sindur but in general, bindu is used by most asian girls (from Bangladesh, india & pakistan). Although some people do argue about muslim girls wearing bindu, yet most girls hindu/muslim still wear them as part of their regular accessorise :)
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@BarclayAvenue I can tell u more. ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ماملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls" (4:25). A girl starts out being a child طفلة. This is further proven in Noble Verses 22:5 and 40:67. Then she becomes a fataat فتاة , which is what فتياتكم (your young ladies) is derived from in Noble Verse 4:25.
Clearly, Allah never allowed marriage with a طفلة child!
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@BarclayAvenue Ah huh........now are coming to the point. It is the MUSLIMS who should be blamed, based on their actions and the way of their interpretation of Islam, but not ISLAM itself. Islam is perfect. As it is mentioned in the Quran: "On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. " (2:286)
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@BarclayAvenue the only holy text that does not rely on hadith or other reported actions is the Qur'an. the Qur'an doesn't tell the story of bibi Aisha and so no-one can be sure of when the prophets marriage was consummated.
tas1708 2 days ago
@tas1708 The percent of Muslims who are Quran-only Muslims (anti-Hadithers) is less than 0.1%
BarclayAvenue 2 days ago
@BarclayAvenue Ok. Give the reference of what u said.
saadmaan90 3 days ago
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this is the problem in such countries. Culture and islam are confused. its as if these people are selling their childeren. doesnt the Prophet (s.a.w) say TAKE CARE OF WOMEN
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@BarclayAvenue Prophet Muhammad (S) DID NOT EVEN TOUCH Ayesha (R.A.) until she was fully adult and capable of child bearing. All those things about Prophet Muhammad (S) having intercourse with 9 year old Ayesha are nothing but absolute BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
saadmaan90 5 days ago
@saadmaan90 He married her when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she was age 9. This is documented in many places in the Hadiths that are considered the most reliable, and by eleven of Aisha's very own accounts. Unless you are prepared to say a 9 year old is a fully grown adult (which is preposterous), your arguement is falsified by the Islamic Holy Texts themselves.
BarclayAvenue 4 days ago
@saadmaan90 Further there are rules right there in teh Quran in black and white about what is the Iddat protocol for divorcing a prepubescent girl. How can there be rules in Islam for divorcing girls who have not yet menstruated if it was illegal to marry girls who have not yet menstruated.?
BarclayAvenue 4 days ago
@BarclayAvenue Having opinion about Islam from a "disturbed", "determinded anti-Islamic" feminist Toslima Nasreen, well infamous for her controversial writings is just sarcastic!!!!!!!!!!!!
You will never get to know the true Islam from these type of people- on one hand too biased ,atheist Toslima Nasreen, and on the other hand, extremist, less knowledgeable, superstitious rural Muslims. Both are abusing Islam. Both.
saadmaan90 5 days ago
@saadmaan90 I think you have something there. You cannot get the complete picture from the two fringes. However, there are millions of Muslims worldwide who approve of child marriage. It is in the Quran. So any Muslim who is a Fundamentalist Muslim must automatically accept it even though child brides get horrible debilitating disorders from having sex at such a young age.
BarclayAvenue 2 days ago
@BarclayAvenue But it is good to have a girl well dressed and well covered to go outside. Islam never forces someone to do anything that causes harm to someone, whether it be physical or mental. Islam never says that marry ur girl at the age of 13 even if she suffers from birth complicity and all other gynecologic diseases. What you saw in this video are done by some misguided, uneducated Muslim with seemingly very limited and twisted knowledge of Islam.
saadmaan90 5 days ago
@BarclayAvenue Islam permits many things. Like keeping 4 wives at a time. Marrying as soon as one reaches puberty. But there is a clear distinction between "permissible" and "compulsory". What is "permissible" is not necessarily "compulsory". Even my above mentioned permissible acts do require dozens of pre-requisites and conditions.About this "caging" women inside the house, well, Islam says that "it is better to stay inside", not "you MUST stay inside". It's just a choice. You can go outside.
saadmaan90 5 days ago
@BarclayAvenue U're wrong.
It seems you definitely have very little knowledge about Islam. Just quoting some Hadith isn't enough to prove ur allegation.
Islam generally considers getting married earlier is an act of righteousness. But it DOESN'T, and DOESN'T "force" anyone to get married too early to be exposed to physical or mental harm. What this video shows happens only in Bangladesh and countries in the Indian subcontinent. This has nothing to do with Basic Islamic rulings.
saadmaan90 5 days ago
@BarclayAvenue, who said you have to have intercourse???????
PathToAllah 2 weeks ago
@PathToAllah A child needs her mother and father. If a children are married to a grpwn men, do you honestly think all these men are going to wait until she is 18 in a culture in which the prophet Mohammed is considered the perfect man and at age 53 had sex with a 9 year old? Don't you realize that a grown man has total control over the child and the child has no defenses? How is this "safe"?
BarclayAvenue 2 weeks ago
It is actually good to get married early so that your private parts are safe.
PathToAllah 2 weeks ago
@PathToAllah Safe from what?? I'd rather a teen girl have sex for the first time at age 18, get married at 21. Getting married @13-16 is dangerous, it makes your private parts in danger (which is the opposite of safe). They get holes that don't heal , the holes go between the vaginal canal and rectum. Whole life theyve no control over their bowels. Their lives are awful. Opposite of safe. Early (childhood) marriage are proven to multiply the incidences of this by 600%.
BarclayAvenue 2 weeks ago
And the video we saw it seems fake (made up) to achieve a special target ...
202mka 2 weeks ago
@202mka Okay, so don't look at the video, look at the scientific study I cited in the annotations. It shows being Muslim (versus being non-Muslim), increases your chance of being married by the time you are a young teen.
Both child marriage and child pregnancy has been proven to cause magnified risk of very horrible health problems..that are lifelong and painful.
BarclayAvenue 2 weeks ago
to the uploader : please don't try to broadcast what ever you want in the name of Islam. Please learn what is Islam then try to do something positive. Otherwise people will say only one thing about you "How Stupid you are".
202mka 2 weeks ago
western powers DO control Saudi A, and they DO control Libyia and Iraq and do control
many other puppets.
The western powers prefer Saudi, keep the populace in ignorance.
Why do you think Iraq happened! ? Women had a better life BEFORE the criminal invasion.
Same like Afghan, I recall Blair, Clinton et al declaring women would benefit!
Believe what you like, but IMHO the west fully approve of rulers who keep the population DIM.
piekarzczyki 2 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki I agree with you as regards the case in Iraq. The rest of what you say is total bunk.
BarclayAvenue 2 weeks ago
This isnt really ISLAM! Its what they say and you listen and believe :p This is just the last century rules that people follow and call Islam!
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@Zarina2121 I read the Quran and believe that Muslims follow what is in it. The Quran has specific instructions for Iddya (waiting period to make sure a wive is not pregnant before divorcing her)...it says those who have despaired of menstruation and those who have not yet menstruated their waiting period is three months (presumably becuase a woman starts to "show" by then.) Now I ask you, why would there be Islamic rules for the divorce of premenstrual women if marrying kids was illegal?
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue If you read the Quran then you know that Muhammad lived with a 9 year old and only referred to her as a wife when she turned 20 or so not younger! Marrying kids might be allowed but having sexual intercourse is not until they are adults, not until they menstruate!
Zarina2121 3 weeks ago
@Zarina2121 "despaired of" means "given up all hope of". This refers to post-menopausal women. Those who have not yet menstruatated refers to premenopausal women.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue I don't understand :P Im just saying that marrying children is not part of Islam but people say it is
Zarina2121 3 weeks ago
if they are big enough they are old enough
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
Early marriage is excellent, Jews have married early, with tradition 3 pubic hair is the sign, with Xtians mary was 13 when she had jesus, helen of troy was 12 when she was tooled.
Beloved Aisha betrothed at 6, and big enough at 9, came to no harm by early marriage, indeed she lived for 60 years after consumation, no signs of fistula or any such imagined illness.
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki LOL, now obstetric fistula (OF) is an imagined illness. Nevermind that it is a documented medical issue the risk which has been proven to increase drastically in child brides. % of births resulting in obstetric fistula: 0.4% if married at 18 or older. 5% if married before 18....(That's one in 250 VERSUS one in 20).
But alas, you don't look at facts. Sadly, you only welcome ideas that support your view.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue Western Powers also support my view, their actions CAUSE alowering of marriage age,
Example, Yesterday IRAQ lowered the age of marriage to 11
one month ago LIBYIA removed any age limit
SAUDI has no limit.
YEMEN has a limit, 11, but as soon as SALAH goes, it will be removed entirely
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki "Western powers support my view [on child brides]."
That is very ridiculous. WesternPowers dont control Saudi Arabia or Yemen, these are Islamic States. Islamic law prevails there. WesternPowers did not remove age limits for marriage in Libya (or Egypt). Any support for a democracy only shows West believes that a countries people should make its laws. It says nothing about whether the West agrees/disagrees with the underlying values that motivate the laws or the laws themselves.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
fistula in africa is mainly caused by fgm , esp worse in the horn of africa and nubia.
fistula in BD is rare, and its caused by undernourishment not underage sexual practices.
its wrong to blame islam fdor fistula
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki It is wrong to blame Islam for fistulas, even though science has proven child pregnancy causes fistulas, and Islam more than any other religion says child marriage and sex is okay as long as the little girl has gotten her period, because afterall Mohammed had sex with aisha at nine.
Ya! Everything you say makes total sense! (laughing)
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki By the way, Fistula in Ethiopia.....1% if age at first bith is 18. but is 6% if age at first birth is below 18. The earlier statisic I gave showing age at first marriage influence on fistula is also Ethiopia.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
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bluerubine 3 weeks ago
evidence that they are of child bearing age is easy, they give birth!
If they was not ready they would nit manage:)
piekarzczyki 4 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki You FUCKING MORON. Their risk of complications from pregnancy is super high, and they develop painful and lifelong FISTULAs !! It results from the childbirth and leaves women unable to control urine and feces. It is a hole that develops between the vagina and the bladder, or between the vagina and the rectum.
You are a FUCKING MORON.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue now now calm down dear, you dont have to resort to swearing,
who says the risk is high? you? whats your qualification.
The best sex is with younger females, good firm vaginas, more pleasant for the man.
What % do you think develops fistula? wheres your info from? who made you an authority?
Read my comment properly, proof they are of childbearing age is that they do give birth.
You will be OK tho' no man would ever desire you.
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki 23 different accredited and peer reviewed medical journals say the risk is high.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
1:18-1:30… This part makes me feel like it's not a real story somehow Oo… Child marriage is a culture mostly in rural parts of Bangladesh… I have NEVER heard a rural girl talk English like THAT… wow!
bluerubine 1 month ago
@bluerubine , how do U define child
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki depends where u live and what the Govt. defines … for Bangladesh, I'd say 18, or even 21. For Europe, more like 16. I guess.
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine to register a civil marriage in BD the girl needs to be 18, but you can contract a moslem marriage earlier, I think the age for boys is 21.
I phone BD every day, and am going in three wks time to sylhet.
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki This video has a problem and that's what is disturbing me. The way the bride is pictured from 22:10 is completely biased and so not true. It is a part of the ceremony that the bride waits with her frnds till the groom arrives and then she is brought to the groom and the celebration goes on WITH the bride. And the feasting of the groom is the usual joke of the bride's family with his "Shalas" and "Shalis".
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
But yes if one just put the different single fragments of the scenario without any context, it HAS to look like a slaughter. But this is simply not true.
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@17parvez
Why don't you try and learn correct grammar first
AND its BECAUSE of islam that the muslim men have balls to marry young girls
shafinaist 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki ... if u not recpet ur religion nobody recpet u ,,, i am talk about Taslima Nasrin ,? please go to see this video/ ? তসলিমা নাছরিন লাঞ্চিত হল ভারতে
17parvez 1 month ago
@17parvez I am a sunni moslem, but I respect all of islam.
I suspect this Barclay Avenue is anti islam, anti bangladesh, and the whole thing she has put up is hoax.
piekarzczyki 3 weeks ago
1 religion must 100% recpet for woman giving nice life giving good power to woman and this is the ( ISLAM ) and i am now talk about ...taslima...she is no.1 bed woman in the world ? do u know how ok i tell u , she didn't recpet (ALLAH) she forget 1 day she gona die and she know after die where is she going ,,,,, how she do good think's for woman or world ?
17parvez 1 month ago
@17parvez Good job, ignore the topic at hand. !! : )
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
Men who don't feel good about themselves and have no self esteem...
need to have some one under them to make them feel on top...
In some cultures it's easy to find a young woman to do this.
These men are loosers.
So insecure with sexuality and ability to perform, they need a child.
doreenbm 1 month ago
fgm is non existent in BD,
IF YOU WANT TO HELP WOMEN YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THE FISTULA HOSP IN ADDIS ABBABA, NOT pick on innocents in BD, YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT ITS NOT YOUR CALL TO MAKE, ITS THEIR PARENTS CALL.
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki Why do you need fistula hospital services? Because the practice of children having sex causes fistulas. What is your response? Have more child sex ande more fistulas and open services. Are you nuts?!!! The fact that they suffer such an awful lifelong fate is NATURE TELLING YOU THAT CHILDREN SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@piekarzczyki For the parents who "marry off " their children while they are still children (1) the "marriages" should be declared automatically invalid and anulled because a child is not mentally fit to enter themselves into a contract of any kind, and (2) The parents should be stripped of all rights over their children , they shouldlose custody and the Government should gain immediate custody of the children and seek adoptive parents who will do better.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
not all 12 year old girls will be ready for marriage,
but its up to their community and parents to decide, NOT US ON YOU TUBE.
Some females, posting on here will NEVER be ready or desrrable for marriage.
This whole set up is a thinly veilled attack on ISLAM.
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki No 12-year old girl is ready for marriage. None of them. 0%. ZERO percent of 12-yearl old girls are ready for marriage. It is not "up to" their parents and community to decide that a girl should marry any more than it is "up to their parents" and community to decide whehter a girl should have her genitals surgically removed. IT is not "up to" the parents to decide that a 12-year old girl should marry any more than it is "up to" them to decide that she should be sold.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki Science has proven that marrying at age 12 is DAMAGING to the body and mind.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Yeah sure… but honestly? Most of the girls in the western world have their first bf at the age of 13-16. I don't see any problem if 1) the boy is also a kid(13-16) 2) it's mutual. Just don't get preggers b4 20 ^^
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine 13 14 and 15, is way too young to be having sex. For vast majority of 16 year olds, no way, not mature enough, cannot make sound decisions for themselves. Not consistently sensible to use protection. And what if they get pregnant....how is a 16 year old and a 16 year old going to make a living and raise the baby? The risk of phys complications such as painful fistula is too high (permanent damage resulting in loss of ordinary control of bodily functions).
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
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bluerubine 3 weeks ago
I don't think the problem is islamic, it's rather cultural. It's been happening since centuries. It used to be considered as an infamy in Hindu families if the bride was >16. So why take a pick on a particular religion? It's the lack of education which is causing the problems ^^.
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine Read the annotations on this vid: Scientifically proven through analysis of Census data that Being Muslim makes you far more likely than non-Muslims to be married as a child. Is sharing this truth "picking on" Muslims?
You have got to be kidding me.
Obviously lack of education also contributes to early sexual activity and marriage. but within each education and income level , being Muslim is a large factor ( highly significant).
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine Do you think it is a coincidence that if you mapped the frequency of child marriage it would look like an exact overlay of a map of percent Muslim?
Why is it that in every Islamic state (country in which Islam is the State REligion) child marriage is legal?
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine You don't think the problem is Islamic? You don't think that Mohammed, who Muslims consider to be "The Perfect Man" to be emulated (who married a six year old and fcked her at age nine) to be relevant to what is considered the youngest acceptable age of marriage ? You don't think the Imams, Sheiks, Mullahs (openly excusing child marriage because Mohammed did it) affects anyone's perception of whether child marriage is acceptable?
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue Sorry, there is no point in talking to you. You blame islam of not being open while you yourself are not open minded at all. Just don't judge everybody as the same. I don't see any difference between you and these Mullahs :-D
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@bluerubine I don't judge everybody as the same. But if Imams, the Quran, and 75% of people living under Islamic rule say child marriage is okay, then pointing that out is pointing out the source of the problem.
BarclayAvenue 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue Then we should start by teaching the Mullahs and Imams first!
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
@BarclayAvenue And c'mon, I appreciate your attempt. I really do. But you really need to refine your language and avoid this attacking attitude. No one will learn from you this way.
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
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@BarclayAvenue LOL… 13, 14 and 15 is way too young to be having sex?? ^^ … OMG, my frnd lost her virginity at the age of 12…and most of my frnds at 16. And I said, "just don't get pregnant b4 20". For God's sake I'm not insisting on getting pregnant! My point is, the partner should not be in this case older than 18. Otherwise it would be child abuse. In Bangladesh, the groom is often >20 or even sometimes >30 while the girl is <18. THIS is child abuse.
bluerubine 3 weeks ago
as to fistula problem, this isnt caused by early marriage,
its caused by poor chilbirth and midwifery
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki a 12 year olds body is not ready to give brith so its ok for an older man to marry and have sex with a little girl then right you should be ashamed of yourself! im guess your a man how woud u ike if someone said okay your going to be with this old man and he is going to take you away from your friends and family and you better have sex with him you need help!
SuperChand86 1 month ago
as to them ( girls) deciding when to have sex is nt a runner, In a male dominated society ,
the male decides.
Whether the woman likes it or not is of little concern to them
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
in the todgers world
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
I am aware of the size of their genitals, I am married to A BENGALI WOMAN, and have seen many m,any family members naked at all stages of development, and indeed have inspected ther genitals, as I am the richest in the family and have piad for all the circumscisions the past 22 years _ trust me they are midgets it the todgers world
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
it is the PARENTS who decide when the girl get married
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
very informative report,,,,,have learnt a lot of facts about a developing country, Bangladesh
pacifico2525 1 month ago
It would do no harm if the girls were married off two or three months after the first menses
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki Yes it would. There is a plethora of medical studies that show that 12 year old and 13 yearold and 14 year old girls develop painful and debilitiating Fistulas due to becoming pregnant at such a young age. It is damaging to a girl's body.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki Further, it does child sex (regardless of whether after menses or not) does psychological harm as their minds are still children's minds (the deveopment of the mind into an adult psychology usually happens after menses). They are not fit to decide for themselves when to have sex, or whether it is harmful to them because they are kids and do not have good judgement over what does and does not harm them.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki And it would certainly be rare indeed for a young teen (12, 13,14) even after menses, to have the mental constitution to defy a much older husband figure who they are told they must obey, even if he was abusive. A child cannot be expected to have the capacity to defend herself or to seek help. That is why children have parents, to watch over them everyday in every aspect of daily life. Which (obviously) the parents are powerless to do if the child is not living with them.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
In any case its not really a problem the girls getting married early, very few of these married early came to any real harm, and the reason is simple, and medical.
Most of the bengali males are not well endowed, their tadger size is only 3 to 5 inches and they are slim, and most of them perform the act of coitition in les than 5 minutes.
So the tiny willy for short duration will do no harm, its not like a full grown Polish or Scottish or Arab chopper pounding away for 15 to 25 mins.
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki You are wrong on so many levels here. Unless you have fncked many Bengali males yourself, you should probably trust the medical community as to their genitalia size. Secondly, It is pregnancy that causes grave and HORRIBLE LIFELONG painful conditions when the person gets pregnant at too young an age. Thirdly, a girl can be damanged by sex if the man has sex with her forcefully when she is not physically ready in the moment, regardless of whether she has reached menses or not
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
This is not quite right, I have travelled to Sylhet every two years for past 20 years, the average age for marriage now in sylhet and environs is about 16.5 in country and 18 in sylhet town.
By law its 18, and now with near all having ID cards its on the cards that marriage age will increase.
It may be different in kiddyfiddler towns like dhaka
The Towns in which I have experience, Daka dokin, kaloura, chaatok, fenchugang. sylhet, habiganj, all improving as time goes on
:-)
piekarzczyki 1 month ago
@piekarzczyki Yes, you are correct. The average age has risen sharply in the last decade. The video description states that the data is from Census 1991.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
Apparently, people here seem to have forgotten that those statistics are from 1991!
upal 1 month ago
@upal They are.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
As a british bangladeshi I can say this is bullshit, my mother was raised in the village and was arrnaged married to my father age of 24, you may find a few stories where people got married young, why dont you sort your own problem before trying to expose antoher country. In uk if you aint lost your virginity by the age of 14 the is something wrong with this indivual
Faruk1189 1 month ago
@Faruk1189 I am not British, you are. Education delays marriage. Your parents are educated. If you are age 20, your parents would have gotten married in1992, at whcih point the average age of marriage was 16. Your parents (a particular case) happened to get married at an age which was 8 YEARS older than the average Bangaldeshi age of marriage
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@Faruk1189 Btw, I'm not from UK
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meskiiniee 1 month ago
OUR PRESIDENT IS A WOMAN WE DONT DISCRIMINATE WOMEN WE ARE PROUD TO BE MUSLIMS AND WILL NEVER CHANGE OUR CULTURE
doghartdon 1 month ago
@doghartdon Yeah...spoken like Muslim man. Give me a break!
momshar9 1 month ago
THIS VIDEO IS FAKE
doghartdon 1 month ago
This video is made up by those people who is against Islam and want to break our family values.Stupid,You are suck and sick.We saw In so-called civilized countries most of the girls have sexual experience before they reach age level 15.All Schools and colleges are full of unmarried mom and dad and they say that their kids are unwanted to them.Listen you stupid journeyman whatever you want to spread with this so-called study; all open minded people hate you.
202mka 1 month ago
@202mka Allowing 13 year olds to marry is your "family values"?
Ya, most 15 year olds in civilized countries have sexual experiences, like kissing, tongue kissing, and "second base". Problem is you think this is horribly shameful but are totally okay by your 14 year old getting boinked daily by a 30 year old as long as his religion is Islam and they have been "married". Nevermind the pesky fact that she may be too young to understand what a marriage commitment really is under Islam.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@202mka
Umarried moms in United States NEVER say to their kids that they are unwanted.....that is a vicious lie. If fundamentalist Islam is so great why do you have to keep telling lies about the West to try and make it look not-so-bad by comparison?
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue unlike ur opinions, most of the content in this video are based on statistics; in another word, facts. So are u saying that it is wrong to state the facts? Moreover, are u saying that girls are supposed to be treated that way b/c of ur "family values"
iAyume 1 month ago
@iAyume I am saying you tell lies ("All schools and colleges are full of unmarried mom and dad and they say their kid are unwanted to them") and your values are sooo fncked up ("This video [about child marriage] is made up by those people who want to break our family values") . I was the one who posted the video and made the annotation content which references the results of a scientific study.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
WHAT HAPPEND TO MUSLIMS...WHAT FOOLISH THEY ARE FOR EVERYTHING...........SHAME ON MUSLIM PEOPLE. MUSLIM SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THEIR TRUTH ROOT WHICH IS HINDUISM.
Banglasthan 1 month ago
**Christianity
rarecombo 1 month ago
This video also says things like how Muhammad consummated the marriage with 9-yr old girl. Well in the Bible, it talks about having incest with your own daughter and lots of weird things like that. So can't say that Christian is any better than Islam.
rarecombo 1 month ago
@rarecombo Christians don't follow the Old Testament. But this is not a "contest" abour which religion can stoop the lowest. Even if Xtians did follow the Old Testament (which they don't), it wouldn't make Islam any less wrong or any less despicable for permitting children to marry.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
Well some of the facts about women in this video is true, this video has an agenda to make Islam look bad. The plight of woman has not so much to do with Islam as it has to do with poverty, economics, and culture. Yes people prefer to have a son, but it is a rational decision in a country where there is no social security, health insurance, unemployment or old-age benefits, & this doesn't only happen in Bangladesh or muslim communities, but also in almost every Hindu community in rural India.
rarecombo 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup I just wasted my time reading your rubbish on youtube . But anyways this video has nothing to do with islam just pure culture islamic marriages are not like this .These musim are not the good ones that follow it correctly . But anyways i dont even know why I am explaining this to people who are stubborn . Just pure culture so remember that and learn from it
beyond4007 1 month ago
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beyond4007 1 month ago
@beyond4007 If you are Muslim, instead of denying the reality, which is that Muslim girls in BD are more likely to be married as a teenager than non-muslims (probably becuase Mohammed is considered the perfect man and himself married a six year old), you should instead work to change that reality, and stop child marriage among Muslims. It is a sick hurtful practice and the kids get raped once "married".
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
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beyond4007 1 month ago
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@BarclayAvenue Reality ?? what is there to deny .. I just said to you fr the 3rd time because its the muslims you automatically believe all muslim marriages in BG are like that . So you saying hindu and christians in BG are not ? so just because the put up a video and a little script on paper claiming its only the muslims you are gonna believe that . Yes it is sick to the girls who get abused in marriges but you cant say its only muslim, again understand b4 you start typing
beyond4007 1 month ago
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@BarclayAvenue And you really need to get this out your mind as this is pure culture . This was done years ago Prophet Muhammed (saw) times . Now days cultures know its wrong to force girls but they still do it . In islam women have a choice to who and when they want to marry its culture so dont try add islam in to it cus it has nothing to do with it just cultures have that practice just like Hindu girl force marriges just like seik force marriages you really need .
beyond4007 1 month ago
@beyond4007 the Bindi is a cultural thing, Islam is Islam but many cultures follow it. they use flowers, music, and the bindi "spot", clothings, decoration etc. They are Muslim.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
the schitzophrenic pedofile muhammad started this when he "married" Aisha when she was 6 years old and then raped her when she was 9 years old. Ignorant, brainwashed pedofiles following a schitzophrenic misogenist pedofile. What else can you expect from these backward ignorant people. The hindu and muslim community are the only ones that can stop this perversion. Educate the women.
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup Please remember that the country is 99% Muslim, that people are born innocent, and they are taught certain values and practices from early on. Despite this, there are a lot of people in bangadesh including key members of governmnet really trying to make a differfence and are succeeding. Through campaigns and a few comitted wealthy individuals and the government efforts they spawned, in just 8 years, the age of marriage jumped by 5. A handful of people changed a whole nation.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup I understand the anger. So many girls suffer, raped in 'marriage'. But Expecting very little from 'shit' people is probably the thing that will help the least. There is hatred in your voice. Hate the practice not the people. Showing the source - connection to the ideology that creates the practice, and the consequences the suffering is helpful.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Guess you didn't realize that I was responding to some muslim apologist calling me a "shit head". Where did you get your data on the age of marriage going up by 5 years? I don't think that is accurate for islamic states world wide or for Bangladesh. I hate the IED, the person that planted it and the cult who's doctrins told him to do it.
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup No, I wasn't quoting you, I was just using the word to sum up your view of them as ignorant, schizophrenic misogenist pedofiles. No, the profound progress is definitely not across Islamic states worldwide, its for Bangladesh. There was a huge study done in 1991, at that time 20% - a full 1 in 5 - of females got married at 13 or younger (e.g. 13, 12, 11, 10), and the average age was 16. Now the 13 or younger has plummeted and the average age is 18 last time I checked.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue *Correction*, in the year 1991 it was 30% (1 in 3 girls) are married by the age of 13, and 5% 1 in every 50 girls married by the age of 10.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue I will check on those statistics. underage marriage is on the rise in Nigeria and some other countries and I highly doubt that in islamic countries world wide there is such a pronounced decline as you site for Bangladesh. I called muhammed a schitzophrenic, misogenist, pedofife because he was. I call a 56 year old man that rapes a 6 year old child, a pedofile not a prophet. muslims that copy that behavior are pedofiles in any sane persons definition.
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup Why do you highly doubt it? Bangladesh has consistently been near 100% Muslim static and there have been a few highly motivated well-resourced individuals working very hard to engage the government to obliterate child marriage, despite Mohammed's example (if you want to call it that).
Well-intentioned people can and do make a difference.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue THIS IS WHY I DOUBT IT;
"According to UNICEF’s 2011 State of the World’s Children report, about a third of women in Bangladesh aged 20-24 are married by the age of 15, and 66 percent percent of girls will wed before their 18th birthday - up 2 percent from 2009."
"DHAKA, 6 April 2011 (IRIN) - Despite various government and non-governmental initiatives to stem child marriage in Bangladesh, parents are continuing to marry off their underage daughters, health experts say. "
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup So you say that in 2011: 24 yrs - 14 yrs = 10 yrs. Duh. women in this age demographic were first married 9 or 10 years ago. TOTALLY consistent with 1991 statistics I cite here in the deescription and annotation.
2011 - 1991 = 10 years. You are saying not much has changed now compared with 10 years and to support your claim you (ridiculously) cite 10 year old data. Oh the irony.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Are you trying to make some point again? It took you 2 weeks to think of something to say and you still aren't worth reading. Let me try to help you. Just state your opinion, such as it is, in a clear, concise statement without using words like "plethora" to try and sound like you're an intellectual. You just don't have the chops! So, state your point clearly, if you have one. I'll give you one last chance.
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue "Occasionally the authorities have intervened to stop child marriages: In March police halted the wedding of 10-year-old Sathi Akter, daughter of an agricultural worker in Saturia village, Manikganj District, 70km northwest of Dhaka.
But more often the law is not enforced, and parents marry off their daughters secretly, with devastating consequences for their health and well-being. "
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue
"BANGLADESH: Parents still not heeding child marriage warnings"
I will believe UNICEF and the data they provide instead of your opinion and wishfull thinking.
“Early marriage is a big problem for Bangladesh. We cannot reduce maternal mortality and morbidity if we do not stop early marriage,” Gias Uddin, a project manager for the Family Planning Association of Bangladesh (FPAB), the largest family planning NGO in the country, told IRIN.
cowboythefukup 1 month ago
@cowboythefukup Data mostly metastudies run off the census. Non muslims average age at first marriage is a couple years higher, though almost everybody is Muslim, there are still plenty of Non-Muslims to run the comparison. Ive cited the comparison study (journal refrence) here too.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
You tought is wrong , Islam give women more wright then other religion , its people who do wrong thing but in Islam always beautiful way of life for all human being .if u don't believe read Quran u will find the truth because people can say wrong or wright things but Quran is always truth
MrPatwarymohammed 1 month ago
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this situation about 20 years ago....not now fool...... now the situation is batter.....look Islam is not a problem ...its a greatest religion in earth ...the problem is the people....we are fool ... generally we don't follow the Islamic rules properly that's the main problem ......
arafat69spike 2 months ago
This fellow seems to have a lot of interesting things to say in the comments section. Women can work, just within certain sectors that are in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah. And besides it's rather counter-intuitive to have a job WITH small children don't you think? If a man is earning for his family and they are financially stable while the mother tends to the child(of course the father has a part in the upbringing of the child, just not as great as the mother, why go out and work?
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 months ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Children are only small for a couple years, don't you THINK? Fathers today are very engaged with their children, the kids benefit enormously from the closeness of a father and mother, moreso than having closeness with mother but not father. Why go "out" and work?(!) Women are smart and can contribute to science and society, make the world a better place, increase understanding, build greatness, and enable insight. Your mind's been narrowed.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Are you so ready to assume that I'm narrow minded? I don't mind women working so long as it doesn't infringe upon the upbringing of the child. The best teacher is the mother and children are in need of both parents for more than just a 'couple years'. You seem to make a LOT of blanket statements about western society. Granted its generally far better off then the rest of the world, but the family model is being skewered. Just look at the divorce rates.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO You don't "MIND" women working!? Since when did half of humanity have to ask YOU for permission to make something of themselves? Of course children need lots of love attention and guidance in their formative years. Truth is after year 4, the kids are in school until 3:30 PM. Really? You are considering having women feel guilty about working when the kids are at school for the entire workday anyway? Seriously? What are they supposed to do while the kids are in school?
BarclayAvenue1000 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue1000 "You don't "MIND" women working!? Since when did half of humanity have to ask YOU for permission to make something of themselves?"
How pretentious. Yes I don't mind women working. This is after all an opinion right? I've never really had a problem with it. My only premise was that it should not ruin the upbringing of the child for that is the first priority. Christ; I love how instantly you jump to conclusions.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
"You are considering having women feel guilty about working when the kids are at school for the entire workday anyway?"
Loaded question. And there are actually many things the women can do that is within the realm of the Qur'an and Sunnah. Islam understands the circumstances people face and based off that women can have leeway as to what profession they may undertake. I'm from a religious Muslim background and my sister is aiming to become a brain surgeon. Don't judge me.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue By the way it was not my intent to underscore the importance of the father in relation to his own child, rather it was to emphasize that the women plays a more prominent role in raising a child in comparison to the father. This is the general outlook, and is not limited to this since there are, as in everything exceptions.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Right, women can work as long as they don't violate the Sunna, like they have interaction with men who are not their husband, which pretty much precludes them from every occupation and position from bank teller to DMV to physical therapist to CFO to Professor to EMT to newscaster to Engineer. They are supposed to work behind the scenes, like as telephone operator, babysitter, or can even be a chemist -- in an all-women laboratory! What crap.
BarclayAvenue1000 1 month ago
Please educate yourself a bit on womens rights in Islam. In an ideal Islamic state, full segregation of the genders in the public sectors would be put into effect, unless the need arises for them to mix(cry me a river about that one, I'm telling it as it is). Since that's OBVIOUSLY not the case today, things can be adjusted but the overruling concept of maintaining one's modesty(for both genders) cannot be compromised. There's a lot more to this topic then may initially seem.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Right, you said it exactly.... Things can be adjusted SINCE there's obviously no gender apartheid, but Ideally you want it as an "Ideal" State.
Didn't you learn ANYTHING from the Civil rights movement? There IS no such thing as seperate but equal... and it only leads to more bigotry by whatever criteria you are segregating people by.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue "Right, you said it exactly.... Things can be adjusted SINCE there's obviously no gender apartheid, but Ideally you want it as an "Ideal" State."
Things are only adjusted when circumstances fail to present themselves otherwise. Just like the permissibility of eating anything that isn't permissible by Sharia when in a matter of life and death or buying a house on interest when it is impossible to get a house otherwise(ie. renting so forth).
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Did you ever stop to think for a moment about why you made the assumption that I am male? Why don't you tell us why.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Where, oh WHERE did I assume that you were a male? Is this a legitimate reply?
And let's say I did. It would be a mere mistake on my part. Has nothing to do with anything. But thanks for making assumptions out of thin air.
Notice that I haven't even said anything NEGATIVE regarding women? At ALL? I'm against forced marriages, and I agree with the message of this video. Only problem is that your understanding of women in Islam is(like many others) flawed.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO How is it flawed? I am aware that when you are in a non-Islamic state you have to abide by its laws until you reach sufficient 'terminal' velocity to make an Islamic state and impose the Sharia. Quite aware. Quite aware what Quran says. Difficulty understanding how anyone can defend gender apartheid. Difficulty understanding how y'all get any sleep after shaming half the human population into thinking they should wear ghost costumes and try to hide the fact they have legs.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
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@BarclayAvenue "Difficulty understanding how y'all get any sleep after shaming half the human population into thinking they should wear ghost costumes and try to hide the fact they have legs."
You have difficulty understanding plenty about the Hijab. By the way I still fail to fathom how your gender fails to play in this discussion. I could be a 40 year old woman for all you know. I'll get to your other posts later.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
Gender apartheid in schools for one is actually beneficial to the academic performance in schools. Boys only and girls only schools tend to have higher test scores if implemented right. I wonder why?
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO That is because they are private prep schools. The parents of these kids come from a higher social economic class where higher education is the norm.
jdk209 1 month ago
@jdk209 That's true and rather unfortunate. However there are studies that have been done in public schools if I recall but within the last several decades gender separate public schools have really diminished.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@BarclayAvenue Gender separation is usually put into place when a person reaches past his/her teen years(ie. ages 14-17 roughly). It's not like the two are alien to one another.
ISMASHYOUBRO 1 month ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Humans = have legs.
BarclayAvenue 1 month ago
@beyond4007 the Bindi is a cultural thing, Islam is Islam but many cultures follow it. they use flowers, music, and the bindi. Its different kind of like different foods, clothings, decoration etc. They are Muslim.
technotazx3 2 months ago
Religion is a control that is produced by men who have no regard for human life.
roseipk 2 months ago
This bitch taslima what she want 'smoking, sex with different guy,do whatever she wanna do . She is bitch . I'm a Muslim bengali girl & my life is respectful full of freedom . I got married when I wanted never got forced by my family . I'm well educated. My husband is a nice guy & we r happy
Papree007 2 months ago
Thing is Islam don't force woman to marry at a early age. But it forces a girl to obey her parents/family. Although it's mostly the society that forces girls to marry early .. society uses religion to shut up anyone trying to speak against.
PagliRajkonna 2 months ago
@beyond4007 actually the bindu you are talking about is traditionally worn by most bangladeshi woman. Hindu's make a bindu using sindur but in general, bindu is used by most asian girls (from Bangladesh, india & pakistan). Although some people do argue about muslim girls wearing bindu, yet most girls hindu/muslim still wear them as part of their regular accessorise :)
PagliRajkonna 2 months ago
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Ferdous1440 2 months ago