I hate reading comments about "the north was this, did that" and the "South was this, and did that". This is a scene from A MOVIE! Comment about the movie, because thats what it is. A great movie
On another note! What about the northern general's march to the sea! He burned down incident homes and entire cities! Me being from CT feel embarrassed over that march. There was no need for such action to win the war! Robert E. Lee on the other hand could have burned down the north. If he did the south would have won my friends. But no he was noble and fought armies instead. I never want to hear another rude comment on Robert E Lee. He was by any means better than any northerner!
I'm embarrassed by your half-assed remark. Was it brutal? Yes. Unfortunate? Yes. Necessary. Very. Sherman's march to the sea was aimed at destroying the infrastructure and ability tow age war but not only that, it attacked the will of the South to carry on this conflict. It was designed to make them realize they could not win which was absolutely essential to keep the conflict from being prolonged. Even more lives would be lost otherwise.
This is going to sound weird, because I don't want to give the impression it's a small event by any means (a great deal of infrastructure and resources were destroyed or consumed including cotton and rail road tracks) but the south greatly exaggerates the events. For starters, the march did not target civilians. It, as I've said before, it attacked infrastructure/industry and surplus.
Lee could not have done the same. The circumstances and abilities are entirely different. If Lee had seriously invaded the North, he would've galvanized the Northern war effort (not to mention the two times he tried were pushed back) and given Lincoln the ammunition to silence his critics and those seeking to appease the south.
I know. It's actually kind of silly that he's vilified by generations who are far removed. But I understand why it happens. He humiliated the South and there was no way to save face from it so they simply turn him into this exaggerated vile cur that they can pile all their shame on to.
@Civilwar555 Um.. Lee's men DID burn property and pillage and extort cash from a number of town coffers while in PA. They also chased down and sent over 200 free blacks back into slavery. Sherman's March To The Sea probably ended the war a year earlier and saved thousands of lives. War is all hell, as Sherman said.
WOW! bluegrassreb1 you have much to learn. First off, Lee could not face his own family. He is still today one of the most beloved generals from both sides of the war. Robert E. Lee wasn't a traitor just a man who like all others couldn't forsaken his own family and blood.
You see back then America wasn't seen as a whole. Each state had their own different dollar bill! North and South! It wasn't until after the American civil war that the nation became a whole. Thus everyone thought similar.
@bluegrassreb1 The south would have failed eventually. Plus, Lee was a traitor. Lee took an oath, as do soldiers now, to swear alliegance to the UNITED States. So Lee turning his back on the Union makes him a traitor.
Ironically Maine, has a long history of warfare, I would suggest this book: MAINE The Pine Tree State from Prehistory to the Present by Judd, Churchill, Eastman. It is a great book and very accurate about the settlers of this green and harsh land I call home. I live in Brunswick Maine...
I find some of these arguments about who was winning or who was losing, Pointless. I am an American first, it was in the Civil war, that gave birth to the Idea of one country united under one flag.
President Lincoln himself initially said that he was taking the United States to war to preserve the Union. The idea that they were out to free the slaves came in the later stages of the conflict.
@usaforlife You're right that Lincoln initially declared that the war was all about maintaining the Union and not ending slavery. But after the North's big victory at the Battle of Antietam in September of 1862, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation which demanded all slaves be freed by January 1863. So by the time of the Battle of Gettysburg in July 1863, the Northern army was indeed about 'making other men free'.
wow OK! First off Lincoln was almost impeached after that battle. The people had enough. They blamed him for all those left dead on the field. The north people wanted to come to terms with the south after Antietam. However; Lincoln come up with the Emancipation Proclamation re-sparking the flam for war. After hearing and seeing it go into effect the north had a true reason for fighting on!
Chamberlain was a genius who very well likely saved the Union in the Civil War. There is almost no chance that it is a coincidence that a classics professor and not a careerist, professional soldier, or politician soldier found himself in a position to change the course of American history in a middle of a desperate battle. Only a classics professor would order the swinging gate maneuver, which hadn't been used since Roman times. No West Point man would have ever ordered it.
@recoveryprankcalls I'm from NC, but I think the movie did justice to both sides. The best scene conveying why the South did what it did and the honor of Southerners was Armistead's talk with the British Colonel before Pickett's charge. I thought that part was pretty excellent.
Joshua Chamberlain is the greates soldier we have ever had, he was the bravest, the strongest, the smartest, and the most dedicated, God bless his soul.
This is one of the best movies out there, aside from Lord of the Rings and Kenneth Branagh's Henry V. After I saw this movie, Chamberlain was by far my favorite character in the movie. Also, Gettysburg DEFINES epic.
Actually was made for TNT Network, but the final cut of the movie tested so high It was decided to open it in theatres under Turner Pictures, and New Line Cinema...
Chamberlain was the finest example fo the American Citizen Soldier. A professor. Gone to way. Wins the Medal of Honor. 4 term governor of Maine after the war. President of Bowdoin College, where he teaches every subject but mathematics. His order of the bayonet charge on Little Round Top signals the highwater mark of the Confederacy, and the charge signals the beginning of the end of the Civil War. A great man, his regiment fought with the Souls of Lions. Proud to be from the same country.
He was also put into the position of Surveyor of The Port of Maine until his death. And another thing I found was that he even went into real-estate, he did not like it, and went back to teaching. I believe that Chamberlain had a pretty amazing life.
there is also a movie called god and generals which i think should have been made before this one came out so it set the feild but what ever i like the civial war and history in general
and those who not except this are doom to repeat it
A really moving speech. Jeff Daniels' interpretation of Chamberlain is inspiring. He's unassuming, humble, and genuinely appreciates his troops efforts.
"What we're fighting for...in the end...we're fighting for each other."
Of all the units represented in Gettysburg and the other movie the name escapes me now the 20th Maine is represented by a quota of reenactors that matches or exceeds that which constitutes a representation of a brigade (of reenactors) in any scene.
@Phantomregiment8 True, and I'm no fan of gratuitous violence. However, the truth is that the civil war was one of the bloodiest and most brutal wars in human history. Portraying it as anything less is almost dishonest. Still a great movie though.
Great movie, must be one of the best Civil war flics I have ever scene. Oh BTW, Chamberlain has the best moustache in the history of man kind, and then his brother.
Love this film. Actually went to the real site for Little Round Top. Its amazing how really small that top is compared to what is portrayed in the film. Tough era for both sides.
The second day of the battle was actually bloodier than Pickett's charge and the rest of the third day. There were appalling losses on both sides after futile attacks were made by Hood and McClaw's divisions of Longstreet's corps on Devil's Den, Little Round Top and the Wheatfield. There was also heavy fighting on the opposite flank when the Rebels desperately tried to take Culp's hill. More then half of the total number of casualties on both sides were sustained in the second day.
Yeah, most of Longstreets Corps was decimated on that second day. Especially on that attack on Devils Den which eventually led to the attack on Little Round Top. However, its Pickett you usually hear about because his 15,000 some men were almost all killed or wounded. That was also probably the deciding engagement of this point of the war. After this Lincoln wised up and picked able, strong, and willing commanders to lead his armies. Like Sherman, Grant, and others!
very true. The charging force was composed of three entire divisions actually I think. Each of which had several brigades in it. It is a known fact that Picketts division was obliterated taking the heaviest losses.
One thing strikes me as curious. A regiment sets off on a route march - with colours flying. A British regiment of the same period would never have done so; the colours would've been furled and encased in a leather casing. Only in sight of the enemy would the order "Unfurl the colours" be given - a good a way as any of letting the men know that something dramatic was about to happen.
Did this film show standard American practice, or was it artistic licence on the part of the film-makers?
The men who participated as extras and regular troops outside of the actors were Civil War re-enacters from all over the US, including men whose ancestors fought at Gettysburg. Their attention to detail and to historic accuracy was lauded not only by the filmmakers and the crew, but by all of the "name" actors involved in the production.
when watching the speech that Chamberlain gives, you have to put out of your head that the man portraying him was the same man who was in "Dumb and Dumber"
For a long time, I was very critical of the whole military establishment, seeing them mainly as a tool of U.S. foreign policy. Seeing this movie and researching the history of the military does change my views, and it brings a feeling of nostalgia for an army of gentlemen and honor.
Amazing movie, and a stirring speech by Jeff Daniels. He really deserved a nomination for this role.
well nowadays those qualities of gentlemen & honour dont mean a thing now since everything is so hi tech. But it's good to hear from someone that has put the effort in researching some military history as there are alot of people who oppose war but have no idea how wars are started.
tilberty91 yes it did actually happen. u probly herd him wrong most movies show almost every battle ending in a bayonet charge this is a hoax. because very few battles have a bayonet charge it just makes a better movie and that is y they add the bayonet charge. but yes chamberlain did have a bayonet charge. u may not belive me cause im only 13 but my family were all renactors including me. i have visited gettysburg 15 times and have studied the battle all my life.
Did the bayonet charge on top of Little Round Top actually occur? I ask this question because I encountered someone the other day who said that Chamberlain never actually ordered the charge, rather, it was just a Hollywood hoax. Any help on this question would be greatly appreciated.
I would hardly describe the engagement at Little Round Top a "skirmish." Besides Picketts charge. thje fighting on the 2nd day at Gettysburg was tremendously bloody and costly to both sides.
Is Buster Kilraine supposed to be Colonel Chamerlain's friend who got shot in the arm and died on the third day? And what rank was the Colonel's brother? Captain is my guess?
In 1862, Lincoln wrote to newspaper editor Horace Greeley, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that...I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
I think G&Gs was just to ambitious a project. Gettysburg covered three days, whereas G&Gs covered the first three years of the war. As a Civil War buff I enjoyed the film. However, many of my friends and family ( not history buffs ) who loved Gettysburg were bored or lost during G&Is. Gettysburg is a classic. Regretfully Hollywood politics kept it from many of the awards it deserved.
Wish they made more movies like this. Gods and Generals was disapointing,and chances are The Last Full Measure will never be made. Daniels deserved more recognition for this perfoformance.
So agree ... Gettysburg is just fantastic and G&G just get weighted down with waaaay too much dialog. Not sure what they were thinking when they decided to follow the course of less battle and history and scene after scene of watching Stonewall write letters ... I'd love to see The Last Full Measure made. Maybe Turner will someday want to spend the money again.
What is left out of the vast majority of textbooks is the fact that Lincoln stated he would keep slavery intact in order to preserve the Union. However, the gears of war were already spinning too fast and the South was gaining momentum. Many books and scholars hold Lincoln in this almost godlike status as the liberator of slaves. In actuality, he was more than willing to use the slaves as a bargaining chip in order to serve the Union's ends.
That's just a matter of priority ... I think anyone at the time would have wanted to keep slavery if that meant not spilitting the union and 600,000 dead in a war ... that's almost a given he would have believed that. What you are leaving out is the credit he should get for opposing slavery, for carrying through with it, and for his convictions on the issue. He was opposed to slavery ... just because it wasn't his #1 priority doesn't change the credit that is due.
Actually He said if he had legalize slavery in every state to end the war,he would, if he had to end slavery forever to end the war he would, if he had to keep it as a mixed nation of slave and free states, he would. He wanted to end the war, but he got smart and declared he would end slavery no matter if the union won, to keep the south from making allies, because most nations at the time looked down on slavery. glad the north won and slavery gone forever, and it shall stay that way.
A great speech. It does not try to force these angry soldiers into submission. It persuades them to continue in the noble venture that they had committed to at one time.
And bikinek, keep your opinions about the war to yourself on this forum. You may think you are clever or original, but we've heard it all. If your comment has nothing to do with the Civil War or the military than don't comment, it's as simple as that. No one wants people like you ruining this forum.
Who do you think you are telling anyone what they can and cannot do on a public forum? If you don't like what people write on an open and public forum then maybe you should keep off this site, that's my advice to you mhesi.
I don't care, no one wants to hear it and it's not relevant. Of course I won't stop you, in fact, nor should I. You label yourself as an ignorant prick by doing so.
I just wish our leaders that the same qualities of Chamberlain!He was a great man in war and out of war! Also to the gentleman that is going to be a Marine! I have to tell you that it will be the best decision you will ever make! I have 2 sons in the Marines and they are glad they decided to join! So if that is your decision then go for it! Do your country proud and never forget the character of Chamberlain and you will always be strong and proud!! Also remember to thank your parents!
He did receive the formal surrender, but not Lee's sword. Grant allowed Lee to keep his sword. Technically, Chamberlain received the formal surrended from CSA Gen. Gordon. Gordon led his dejected troops in to stack arms as Chamberlain ordered his soldiers to "carry arms", a marching salute to their foes. Gordon was startled by the machine-like shift of arms, but quickly bowed his horse toward Chamberlain, lowered his sword tip to his boot and ordered his men to carry arms and return the salute
People need to stop judging this film with 21st.century views and values.People were different in 1863. It is a great scene in a great movie. We need more films like this.
...but you must have faith. We are not there for iraqi oil or land. and by the way, you must have the wrong perception of the military. You can be a Marine and get a college education and live a peaceful and PRODUCTIVE life. That's what my father did. That's what I am doing now. But, my friend, I will never convince you of what is truly right and wrong. I will leave you with this: The United States, believe it or not, has good intentions with Iraq and is NOT as you claim an occupier.
Did you pull those statistics out of your ass or did you read it off of your government subsidised media? I have never seen figures even close to what you stated as far as service men and women and their opinion on the war, which leads me to believe that you're full of it.
I heard those numbers being presented by independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, perhaps he's "full of it". He was quoting an independent survey by a polling firm that I can no longer recall the name of. Why don't you quote the numbers and source you go by, I like to see that. Thanks!
You certainly are a cynic mhesi, but its not like I wrote the comment you are referring to last week, it was a while back as you can well see. I will endeavor to find the survey which I speak if I do I expect to see you data that says the servicemen in Iraq are strong supporters of the war effort.
mhesi, the poll I was referring to: Feb 2006 LeMoyne College/Zogby International Poll:
A majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year.
Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year.
The Soviets were totalitarian. America is certainly not. Americans have fought and died to defeat people like Nazis, Communists, Terrorists. Americans have often fought alongside of your own countrymen. Why, if we have fought for so many good intentions in the past, do you doubt us now? and do you now admit removing Saddam-a proven murderer (if you disagree with me here, just travel to iraq and ask the kurds)- was a bad thing? I know you will say iraq is in no better shape now........
Look at what is going on in the world genius! The right thing to do is to fight and protect my country from these Muslim extremist bastards. Also, I don't appreciate sarcasm.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
If asking a simple question with "please" is your idea of "sarcasm" then I think you have no more understanding of sarcasm than you do of world affairs.
Consider this JT, if there was less US military aggression in the world maybe America and Americans would not be so hated by the vast majority of the world, not just the "Muslim extremist bastards" as you call them.
bikenik, you should be ashamed of yourself. A man wants to fight for his country and you have to go out of your way to insult him? That's the kind of world we live in today. I would take the time to list every single decent and good thing that The United States of America (and the U.S. Military) has done for the world but you just aren't worth the amount of time it would take to do that.
m115838 did Iraq ask the United States for their help? You sir are completely deluded if you think the USA has done anything good for Iraq. The USA is an invader & occupier of Iraq just like the USSR in Afghanistan 30 years ago. Thousands of Iraqi's have lost everything including their lives as a result of the American invasion.
You couldn't list one place in the world where the citizens of a sovereign nation wanted the United States military occupying them, the very idea is ludicrous.
my Canadian friend, you are sadly mistaken. have you been to iraq? have you been there? or do you just hear what happens there from CNN or MSNBC like the rest of the world? have you any idea what the United States is doing there? granted, America is at war and in war, good and bad people die. It is a horrific tragedy and a reality of war. But, as you will see someday, America is not in Iraq as in invader. And as an American i am insulted you would compare my country with the USSR......
JTCecks85, I am sure you would make a fine Marine. Join up and do something GOOD with yourself. And get an education WHILE you are in the Marine Corps. don't listen to guys like bikenik. they can't seem to see the bigger picture of what we do.
Thank you! I actually do have a college education and I'm graduating this May. See if you can email me through youtube and we can talk more if you'd like.
Marines can't read? If they were can't read how come Marines know best of how to survive in combat and in various situations? Does reading not play a key role?
Gday gents. Aussie Army (Infantry) here - we strongly encourage education among our soldiers or we will continue to come up with one-dimensional solutions rather than having an enemy react to us. Keep going mate... very important.
JTChecks85: Don't worry what these people think of you. You and I and every sane American and sane human knows what you are choosing to do is the right thing to do. One day, their eyes will open. Keep it up my friend. Semper Fi.
And Bikenik, you should be ashamed of yourself. A man wants to fight for his country and you have to insult him like this. Have you ever been to iraq? how about the middle east in general? so i guess you aren't an expert on world affairs? i am in the military and i can tell you right now you don't have a clue what's going on in the world. I would list every single good and decent thing that the United States of America has done for the WORLD but you are not worth the time.
This is motivating as hell. Chamberlain and the 20th Maine serve as a testament to the strength and character of the common man. This was just a group of ordinary guys led by an unassuming college professor. It takes a lot of heart to continue fighting after going through what they did prior to even reaching Gettysburg. The regiment got slammed at Fredericksberg by both the rebels and by the winter weather, and were ravaged by smallpox at Chancellorsville a few weeks earlier.
Love this movie..... cant even begin to imagine what it would be like to live during the Civil War and possibly see this going on.
theone2225 3 weeks ago
What is the tune they are marching to near the end?
CapitalSuits 7 months ago
one of the greatest soldiers in american history. this movie was great with excellent acting even though the facial hair was fake
gollum740 8 months ago
I hate reading comments about "the north was this, did that" and the "South was this, and did that". This is a scene from A MOVIE! Comment about the movie, because thats what it is. A great movie
Nitrotech23 8 months ago
Sorry Bluegrassreb1 comments were meant to yoyoyowasuppy
Civilwar555 8 months ago
On another note! What about the northern general's march to the sea! He burned down incident homes and entire cities! Me being from CT feel embarrassed over that march. There was no need for such action to win the war! Robert E. Lee on the other hand could have burned down the north. If he did the south would have won my friends. But no he was noble and fought armies instead. I never want to hear another rude comment on Robert E Lee. He was by any means better than any northerner!
Civilwar555 8 months ago
@Civilwar555
I'm embarrassed by your half-assed remark. Was it brutal? Yes. Unfortunate? Yes. Necessary. Very. Sherman's march to the sea was aimed at destroying the infrastructure and ability tow age war but not only that, it attacked the will of the South to carry on this conflict. It was designed to make them realize they could not win which was absolutely essential to keep the conflict from being prolonged. Even more lives would be lost otherwise.
Mahbu 8 months ago
@Mahbu
This is going to sound weird, because I don't want to give the impression it's a small event by any means (a great deal of infrastructure and resources were destroyed or consumed including cotton and rail road tracks) but the south greatly exaggerates the events. For starters, the march did not target civilians. It, as I've said before, it attacked infrastructure/industry and surplus.
Mahbu 8 months ago
@Mahbu
Lee could not have done the same. The circumstances and abilities are entirely different. If Lee had seriously invaded the North, he would've galvanized the Northern war effort (not to mention the two times he tried were pushed back) and given Lincoln the ammunition to silence his critics and those seeking to appease the south.
Mahbu 8 months ago
@Mahbu Sherman to this day is considered a villain in the south and is greatly despised by those who have confederate ancestors.
zyzor 8 months ago
@zyzor
I know. It's actually kind of silly that he's vilified by generations who are far removed. But I understand why it happens. He humiliated the South and there was no way to save face from it so they simply turn him into this exaggerated vile cur that they can pile all their shame on to.
Mahbu 8 months ago
@Mahbu
Ain't no shame, since we let you win on account of us getting tired of always beating ya =)
CapitalSuits 7 months ago
@CapitalSuits
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Mahbu 7 months ago
@Civilwar555 Um.. Lee's men DID burn property and pillage and extort cash from a number of town coffers while in PA. They also chased down and sent over 200 free blacks back into slavery. Sherman's March To The Sea probably ended the war a year earlier and saved thousands of lives. War is all hell, as Sherman said.
MrJeefry1 8 months ago
WOW! bluegrassreb1 you have much to learn. First off, Lee could not face his own family. He is still today one of the most beloved generals from both sides of the war. Robert E. Lee wasn't a traitor just a man who like all others couldn't forsaken his own family and blood.
You see back then America wasn't seen as a whole. Each state had their own different dollar bill! North and South! It wasn't until after the American civil war that the nation became a whole. Thus everyone thought similar.
Civilwar555 8 months ago
f the arrogant yanks!
lincln didnt make it a war for the slaves until 2 years into the war!
i in 10 had slaves in the south, wtf was the other 9 fighting for? every country in the w. hemispheregot rid of slavery without a damn war!!!
lincoln sucked!!!! killed a million!!! for no
real reason!!!
bluegrassreb1 9 months ago
@bluegrassreb1 The south would have failed eventually. Plus, Lee was a traitor. Lee took an oath, as do soldiers now, to swear alliegance to the UNITED States. So Lee turning his back on the Union makes him a traitor.
yoyoyowasuppy 9 months ago
Ironically Maine, has a long history of warfare, I would suggest this book: MAINE The Pine Tree State from Prehistory to the Present by Judd, Churchill, Eastman. It is a great book and very accurate about the settlers of this green and harsh land I call home. I live in Brunswick Maine...
I find some of these arguments about who was winning or who was losing, Pointless. I am an American first, it was in the Civil war, that gave birth to the Idea of one country united under one flag.
Zacarriss 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite parts of the movie! I love this movie!
Amby99 1 year ago
An army out to set other men free. Never forget that THAT was what the Civil War was all about.
pageois 1 year ago
@pageois
That came later actually.
President Lincoln himself initially said that he was taking the United States to war to preserve the Union. The idea that they were out to free the slaves came in the later stages of the conflict.
usaforlife 1 year ago
@usaforlife You're right that Lincoln initially declared that the war was all about maintaining the Union and not ending slavery. But after the North's big victory at the Battle of Antietam in September of 1862, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation which demanded all slaves be freed by January 1863. So by the time of the Battle of Gettysburg in July 1863, the Northern army was indeed about 'making other men free'.
pageois 1 year ago
@pageois I wouldn't call it a big victory to me it seemed like a stalemate and Lee just tactfully withdrew a day later.
Frankcastle522 1 year ago 3
@pageois
wow OK! First off Lincoln was almost impeached after that battle. The people had enough. They blamed him for all those left dead on the field. The north people wanted to come to terms with the south after Antietam. However; Lincoln come up with the Emancipation Proclamation re-sparking the flam for war. After hearing and seeing it go into effect the north had a true reason for fighting on!
Civilwar555 8 months ago
Chamberlain was a genius who very well likely saved the Union in the Civil War. There is almost no chance that it is a coincidence that a classics professor and not a careerist, professional soldier, or politician soldier found himself in a position to change the course of American history in a middle of a desperate battle. Only a classics professor would order the swinging gate maneuver, which hadn't been used since Roman times. No West Point man would have ever ordered it.
beq451991 1 year ago
Does anyone have the whole movie?
lakelandchief 1 year ago
pro yankee movie
recoveryprankcalls 1 year ago
@recoveryprankcalls Why wouldn't it be. The North won!
deerhunter59ify 1 year ago
@recoveryprankcalls I'm from NC, but I think the movie did justice to both sides. The best scene conveying why the South did what it did and the honor of Southerners was Armistead's talk with the British Colonel before Pickett's charge. I thought that part was pretty excellent.
creed61285 1 year ago
@recoveryprankcalls The North won... get over it!!!
walmartmound 1 year ago
im tired of defending this, we won and we died, and we changed the world
superman444444 1 year ago
Joshua Chamberlain is the greates soldier we have ever had, he was the bravest, the strongest, the smartest, and the most dedicated, God bless his soul.
airdroid2 1 year ago 3
This is one of the best movies out there, aside from Lord of the Rings and Kenneth Branagh's Henry V. After I saw this movie, Chamberlain was by far my favorite character in the movie. Also, Gettysburg DEFINES epic.
TheLegolasguy 1 year ago
I just went to a training session today where the inspirational video was this scene...amazing!!!!
sarge2906 1 year ago
@sarge2906 This speech, the Henry V one or the 3rd Lord of the Rings Black Gate speech would fit that bill nicely.
TheLegolasguy 1 year ago
They say after Chamberlain gave that speech to his men , they all fell in line with him and went on to fight at Gettysburg .
TheHoverman 2 years ago
114 men of the 120. and later 3 soldiers also join the ranks
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
He would won a academy award if it wasn't a t.v. movie....
whitmer73 2 years ago
It wasn't a TV movie.
JCJ77 2 years ago
@JCJ77
Actually was made for TNT Network, but the final cut of the movie tested so high It was decided to open it in theatres under Turner Pictures, and New Line Cinema...
So it wasn't eligible for the academy awards
whitmer73 2 years ago
whats the name of the song played at the end of this?
iMakeitHail 2 years ago
@iMakeitHail the fife and drum music when the 20th Maine moves is called "Frog in the Well" which you can find on YouTube
TheHoomaikai 1 year ago
@iMakeitHail the fife and drum music when the 20th Maine moves is called "Frog in the Well" which you can find on YouTube
TheHoomaikai 1 year ago
Chamberlain was the finest example fo the American Citizen Soldier. A professor. Gone to way. Wins the Medal of Honor. 4 term governor of Maine after the war. President of Bowdoin College, where he teaches every subject but mathematics. His order of the bayonet charge on Little Round Top signals the highwater mark of the Confederacy, and the charge signals the beginning of the end of the Civil War. A great man, his regiment fought with the Souls of Lions. Proud to be from the same country.
Mulkey40 2 years ago 51
He was also put into the position of Surveyor of The Port of Maine until his death. And another thing I found was that he even went into real-estate, he did not like it, and went back to teaching. I believe that Chamberlain had a pretty amazing life.
Movieman88773 2 years ago
Amen to that
MisterGage77 2 years ago
@Mulkey40 what you wrote was, beautiful, and powerful.
patton9 1 year ago
@Mulkey40 Thank you for these words. I'm a Mainer am a truly proud say I am of the same kind as Chamberlain.
JandritoBlues 1 year ago
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@Mulkey40 Thank you for these words. I'm a Mainer and am truly proud to say I am of the same kind as Chamberlain.
JandritoBlues 1 year ago
@Mulkey40 the high water mark was when pickett led the charge on semminary ridge
wadens1 5 months ago
there is also a movie called god and generals which i think should have been made before this one came out so it set the feild but what ever i like the civial war and history in general
and those who not except this are doom to repeat it
ilovepeople12 2 years ago
A really moving speech. Jeff Daniels' interpretation of Chamberlain is inspiring. He's unassuming, humble, and genuinely appreciates his troops efforts.
"What we're fighting for...in the end...we're fighting for each other."
Damn straight.
tnman39 2 years ago 7
Of all the units represented in Gettysburg and the other movie the name escapes me now the 20th Maine is represented by a quota of reenactors that matches or exceeds that which constitutes a representation of a brigade (of reenactors) in any scene.
hollywoodwerewolf 2 years ago
anybody have any idea if "the last full measure "is going to be made ?they keep talking about it but never happens.
thyuiooo 2 years ago
I doubt it, which sucks since I can't wait for a third movie about this.
Jelle1880 2 years ago
As a TV movie is the best chance but a 3rd theatrical movie will not be made.
TigerRifle1 2 years ago
One of my favorite movies of all time.
This movie proves you don't need gruesome violence, missing limbs, decapitated bodies, etc, to make a good war movie.
This speech is one of my favorite speeches of all time.
Phantomregiment8 2 years ago 28
true that man true that. this is also one of my favorite movies of all time
ninjaman576 2 years ago
@Phantomregiment8 True, and I'm no fan of gratuitous violence. However, the truth is that the civil war was one of the bloodiest and most brutal wars in human history. Portraying it as anything less is almost dishonest. Still a great movie though.
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
One of the best speaches in movie history!!!!
Credithelper75 2 years ago 2
Great movie, must be one of the best Civil war flics I have ever scene. Oh BTW, Chamberlain has the best moustache in the history of man kind, and then his brother.
petree50 2 years ago
Love this film. Actually went to the real site for Little Round Top. Its amazing how really small that top is compared to what is portrayed in the film. Tough era for both sides.
ColdNoodles 2 years ago
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RobinsMorgan7 2 years ago
The second day of the battle was actually bloodier than Pickett's charge and the rest of the third day. There were appalling losses on both sides after futile attacks were made by Hood and McClaw's divisions of Longstreet's corps on Devil's Den, Little Round Top and the Wheatfield. There was also heavy fighting on the opposite flank when the Rebels desperately tried to take Culp's hill. More then half of the total number of casualties on both sides were sustained in the second day.
ItNice26 2 years ago
Yeah, most of Longstreets Corps was decimated on that second day. Especially on that attack on Devils Den which eventually led to the attack on Little Round Top. However, its Pickett you usually hear about because his 15,000 some men were almost all killed or wounded. That was also probably the deciding engagement of this point of the war. After this Lincoln wised up and picked able, strong, and willing commanders to lead his armies. Like Sherman, Grant, and others!
ButterS38g 2 years ago
Pickett's forces were part of Longstreet's Corps.
gamer865 2 years ago
they weren't all pickett's, an the total confederate losses were just under 7000
ringmaster316ms 2 years ago
very true. The charging force was composed of three entire divisions actually I think. Each of which had several brigades in it. It is a known fact that Picketts division was obliterated taking the heaviest losses.
Are you talking about the third of second day?
ButterS38g 2 years ago
One thing strikes me as curious. A regiment sets off on a route march - with colours flying. A British regiment of the same period would never have done so; the colours would've been furled and encased in a leather casing. Only in sight of the enemy would the order "Unfurl the colours" be given - a good a way as any of letting the men know that something dramatic was about to happen.
Did this film show standard American practice, or was it artistic licence on the part of the film-makers?
lomax343 2 years ago
The men who participated as extras and regular troops outside of the actors were Civil War re-enacters from all over the US, including men whose ancestors fought at Gettysburg. Their attention to detail and to historic accuracy was lauded not only by the filmmakers and the crew, but by all of the "name" actors involved in the production.
dougalmac54 2 years ago
Bullshit propaganda!!!
Downfacingdog 2 years ago
the speech is similar to William Barret Travis' at the Alamo
TheSBrothers 2 years ago
do you know the script write it on this, I need to know
booklover88 2 years ago
when watching the speech that Chamberlain gives, you have to put out of your head that the man portraying him was the same man who was in "Dumb and Dumber"
hpa2005 3 years ago
That would make a great fanfiction for those who are into that type of writing: Joshua Chamberlain and Harry switch places.
SCE2AUX 2 years ago
I remember an interview where he said he did D and D to keep from being typecast.....hehe
Airbus9e 2 years ago
oh really? ;)
hpa2005 2 years ago
For a long time, I was very critical of the whole military establishment, seeing them mainly as a tool of U.S. foreign policy. Seeing this movie and researching the history of the military does change my views, and it brings a feeling of nostalgia for an army of gentlemen and honor.
Amazing movie, and a stirring speech by Jeff Daniels. He really deserved a nomination for this role.
0kamisama 3 years ago
well nowadays those qualities of gentlemen & honour dont mean a thing now since everything is so hi tech. But it's good to hear from someone that has put the effort in researching some military history as there are alot of people who oppose war but have no idea how wars are started.
matt2house 3 years ago
Most educated and mature thing i've read all day.
Sergio001R 2 years ago
tilberty91 yes it did actually happen. u probly herd him wrong most movies show almost every battle ending in a bayonet charge this is a hoax. because very few battles have a bayonet charge it just makes a better movie and that is y they add the bayonet charge. but yes chamberlain did have a bayonet charge. u may not belive me cause im only 13 but my family were all renactors including me. i have visited gettysburg 15 times and have studied the battle all my life.
kylenator12 3 years ago
Thank you for your reply :)
Tliberty91 3 years ago
Uh there were baynoet charges all the time dumb ass
refuckulate420 2 years ago
sign me up great speech. God Bless America
MrEclectic61 3 years ago
and so they went...lol
rebelwolfman 3 years ago
beautiful segment, very telling words that were spoken here
djmweatherman 3 years ago
Did the bayonet charge on top of Little Round Top actually occur? I ask this question because I encountered someone the other day who said that Chamberlain never actually ordered the charge, rather, it was just a Hollywood hoax. Any help on this question would be greatly appreciated.
Tliberty91 3 years ago
it actually happened
djmweatherman 3 years ago
He received a Medal of Honor for that skirmish. Buster Kilrane was fictional though, most likely a composite of soldiers.
SCE2AUX 2 years ago
I would hardly describe the engagement at Little Round Top a "skirmish." Besides Picketts charge. thje fighting on the 2nd day at Gettysburg was tremendously bloody and costly to both sides.
dougalmac54 2 years ago
actually, buster kilirain is based on a real character named George Washington buck
joshchamberlain2 2 years ago
Is Buster Kilraine supposed to be Colonel Chamerlain's friend who got shot in the arm and died on the third day? And what rank was the Colonel's brother? Captain is my guess?
ButterS38g 2 years ago
Lieutenant.
m60jack 2 years ago
why did i get a thumbs down. i didnt even say anything offensive. i just said who this guy is.
joshchamberlain2 2 years ago
Chamberlain did right?
ButterS38g 2 years ago
excellent movie, and some great acting... this movie desereved so much more attention than it got.
projectdarkgrey 3 years ago
In 1862, Lincoln wrote to newspaper editor Horace Greeley, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that...I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
***
RuppertAle 3 years ago
This was a great movie. Just because it was made by Turner Pictures doesn't make it shit. I've always thought it was under-appreciated.
Whyavier 3 years ago 10
I think G&Gs was just to ambitious a project. Gettysburg covered three days, whereas G&Gs covered the first three years of the war. As a Civil War buff I enjoyed the film. However, many of my friends and family ( not history buffs ) who loved Gettysburg were bored or lost during G&Is. Gettysburg is a classic. Regretfully Hollywood politics kept it from many of the awards it deserved.
skillet61 3 years ago 5
Wish they made more movies like this. Gods and Generals was disapointing,and chances are The Last Full Measure will never be made. Daniels deserved more recognition for this perfoformance.
skillet61 3 years ago 7
So agree ... Gettysburg is just fantastic and G&G just get weighted down with waaaay too much dialog. Not sure what they were thinking when they decided to follow the course of less battle and history and scene after scene of watching Stonewall write letters ... I'd love to see The Last Full Measure made. Maybe Turner will someday want to spend the money again.
lonewulf44 3 years ago 2
What is left out of the vast majority of textbooks is the fact that Lincoln stated he would keep slavery intact in order to preserve the Union. However, the gears of war were already spinning too fast and the South was gaining momentum. Many books and scholars hold Lincoln in this almost godlike status as the liberator of slaves. In actuality, he was more than willing to use the slaves as a bargaining chip in order to serve the Union's ends.
AndJusticeForMe 3 years ago
yes but rmeember, this is Chamberlain talking, saying what he believes the army should be doing.
orchote 3 years ago
That's just a matter of priority ... I think anyone at the time would have wanted to keep slavery if that meant not spilitting the union and 600,000 dead in a war ... that's almost a given he would have believed that. What you are leaving out is the credit he should get for opposing slavery, for carrying through with it, and for his convictions on the issue. He was opposed to slavery ... just because it wasn't his #1 priority doesn't change the credit that is due.
lonewulf44 3 years ago 2
Actually He said if he had legalize slavery in every state to end the war,he would, if he had to end slavery forever to end the war he would, if he had to keep it as a mixed nation of slave and free states, he would. He wanted to end the war, but he got smart and declared he would end slavery no matter if the union won, to keep the south from making allies, because most nations at the time looked down on slavery. glad the north won and slavery gone forever, and it shall stay that way.
jd1060 3 years ago 2
true man
mrbill191715 3 years ago
A fine speech, and not entirely unbelievable. He was a professor of rhetoric at Bowdoin College before saving the entire Union at Little Round Top.
Common knowledge, but important =)
donaldTfox 3 years ago 4
A great speech. It does not try to force these angry soldiers into submission. It persuades them to continue in the noble venture that they had committed to at one time.
Steve17010 3 years ago 2
A darn good movie.
aceofhicks 3 years ago 5
And bikinek, keep your opinions about the war to yourself on this forum. You may think you are clever or original, but we've heard it all. If your comment has nothing to do with the Civil War or the military than don't comment, it's as simple as that. No one wants people like you ruining this forum.
mhesi 3 years ago 2
Who do you think you are telling anyone what they can and cannot do on a public forum? If you don't like what people write on an open and public forum then maybe you should keep off this site, that's my advice to you mhesi.
bikenik 3 years ago
I don't care, no one wants to hear it and it's not relevant. Of course I won't stop you, in fact, nor should I. You label yourself as an ignorant prick by doing so.
mhesi 3 years ago 2
I just wish our leaders that the same qualities of Chamberlain!He was a great man in war and out of war! Also to the gentleman that is going to be a Marine! I have to tell you that it will be the best decision you will ever make! I have 2 sons in the Marines and they are glad they decided to join! So if that is your decision then go for it! Do your country proud and never forget the character of Chamberlain and you will always be strong and proud!! Also remember to thank your parents!
texas4life45 3 years ago
im not completely sure, but I believe he was chosen to accept Lee's sword of surrender at Appomattox.
backbiter41 3 years ago
He did receive the formal surrender, but not Lee's sword. Grant allowed Lee to keep his sword. Technically, Chamberlain received the formal surrended from CSA Gen. Gordon. Gordon led his dejected troops in to stack arms as Chamberlain ordered his soldiers to "carry arms", a marching salute to their foes. Gordon was startled by the machine-like shift of arms, but quickly bowed his horse toward Chamberlain, lowered his sword tip to his boot and ordered his men to carry arms and return the salute
utoobia 3 years ago
o i always thought chamberline was a general
kidkong584 3 years ago
He was a general by the end of the war.
benpg 3 years ago
he became a brevet brigadier after Petersburg fell
utoobia 3 years ago
People need to stop judging this film with 21st.century views and values.People were different in 1863. It is a great scene in a great movie. We need more films like this.
skillet61 3 years ago 6
i wasborn in texas proud to be born in the south part :)
thweetieBOYq8 3 years ago
yeah but what part exactly? i'm from ft. worth, that's the best part!!
vikmega 3 years ago
...but you must have faith. We are not there for iraqi oil or land. and by the way, you must have the wrong perception of the military. You can be a Marine and get a college education and live a peaceful and PRODUCTIVE life. That's what my father did. That's what I am doing now. But, my friend, I will never convince you of what is truly right and wrong. I will leave you with this: The United States, believe it or not, has good intentions with Iraq and is NOT as you claim an occupier.
m115838 3 years ago
Listen to your own servicemen and women who have been in theater...70% of all services say get out of Iraq now and 53% of Marines say the same thing.
bikenik 3 years ago
Did you pull those statistics out of your ass or did you read it off of your government subsidised media? I have never seen figures even close to what you stated as far as service men and women and their opinion on the war, which leads me to believe that you're full of it.
mhesi 3 years ago
I heard those numbers being presented by independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, perhaps he's "full of it". He was quoting an independent survey by a polling firm that I can no longer recall the name of. Why don't you quote the numbers and source you go by, I like to see that. Thanks!
bikenik 3 years ago
I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you. And I'm sorry that you no longer recall the name ofe the independant firm, how convenient.
mhesi 3 years ago
You certainly are a cynic mhesi, but its not like I wrote the comment you are referring to last week, it was a while back as you can well see. I will endeavor to find the survey which I speak if I do I expect to see you data that says the servicemen in Iraq are strong supporters of the war effort.
bikenik 3 years ago
mhesi, the poll I was referring to: Feb 2006 LeMoyne College/Zogby International Poll:
A majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year.
Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year.
bikenik 3 years ago
You're right, we are not there for Iraqi oil. But we are there to gain control of the middle east for Israel and the NWO.
BattleReb 3 years ago
The Soviets were totalitarian. America is certainly not. Americans have fought and died to defeat people like Nazis, Communists, Terrorists. Americans have often fought alongside of your own countrymen. Why, if we have fought for so many good intentions in the past, do you doubt us now? and do you now admit removing Saddam-a proven murderer (if you disagree with me here, just travel to iraq and ask the kurds)- was a bad thing? I know you will say iraq is in no better shape now........
m115838 3 years ago
"Many of us came because it was the right thing to do." This is exactly why I am considering the U.S. Marine Corps.
JTChecks85 4 years ago
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JTChecks85 what is the Marine Corps doing today that is motivating you to join their ranks? I would sincerely like to know please.
bikenik 3 years ago
Look at what is going on in the world genius! The right thing to do is to fight and protect my country from these Muslim extremist bastards. Also, I don't appreciate sarcasm.
JTChecks85 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
If asking a simple question with "please" is your idea of "sarcasm" then I think you have no more understanding of sarcasm than you do of world affairs.
Consider this JT, if there was less US military aggression in the world maybe America and Americans would not be so hated by the vast majority of the world, not just the "Muslim extremist bastards" as you call them.
Think about it...
bikenik 3 years ago
bikenik, you should be ashamed of yourself. A man wants to fight for his country and you have to go out of your way to insult him? That's the kind of world we live in today. I would take the time to list every single decent and good thing that The United States of America (and the U.S. Military) has done for the world but you just aren't worth the amount of time it would take to do that.
m115838 3 years ago 2
m115838 did Iraq ask the United States for their help? You sir are completely deluded if you think the USA has done anything good for Iraq. The USA is an invader & occupier of Iraq just like the USSR in Afghanistan 30 years ago. Thousands of Iraqi's have lost everything including their lives as a result of the American invasion.
You couldn't list one place in the world where the citizens of a sovereign nation wanted the United States military occupying them, the very idea is ludicrous.
bikenik 3 years ago
Here's and idea for you and JTCecks85, instead of joining the Marines, go to college, get an education and lead a peaceful, productive life
that does no harm to others.
bikenik 3 years ago
my Canadian friend, you are sadly mistaken. have you been to iraq? have you been there? or do you just hear what happens there from CNN or MSNBC like the rest of the world? have you any idea what the United States is doing there? granted, America is at war and in war, good and bad people die. It is a horrific tragedy and a reality of war. But, as you will see someday, America is not in Iraq as in invader. And as an American i am insulted you would compare my country with the USSR......
m115838 3 years ago
JTCecks85, I am sure you would make a fine Marine. Join up and do something GOOD with yourself. And get an education WHILE you are in the Marine Corps. don't listen to guys like bikenik. they can't seem to see the bigger picture of what we do.
m115838 3 years ago
Thank you! I actually do have a college education and I'm graduating this May. See if you can email me through youtube and we can talk more if you'd like.
JTChecks85 3 years ago
I'm in college. My degree will benefit me in the Marines.
JTChecks85 3 years ago
marines don't need degrees, they cant read.
Paslon 3 years ago
Marines can't read? If they were can't read how come Marines know best of how to survive in combat and in various situations? Does reading not play a key role?
JTChecks85 3 years ago
Im sorry man, Im Army in college right now ( ROTC ) didnt mean to offend. Just a little inter service rivalry. 8 ) .
Semper Fi Bro
Paslon 3 years ago
Gday gents. Aussie Army (Infantry) here - we strongly encourage education among our soldiers or we will continue to come up with one-dimensional solutions rather than having an enemy react to us. Keep going mate... very important.
Duty First (Motto: Royal Australian Regiment)
67kes 3 years ago
Dont listen to the other guys. Good luck in the Marine Corps.
sam5210 3 years ago
JTChecks85: Don't worry what these people think of you. You and I and every sane American and sane human knows what you are choosing to do is the right thing to do. One day, their eyes will open. Keep it up my friend. Semper Fi.
m115838 3 years ago
And Bikenik, you should be ashamed of yourself. A man wants to fight for his country and you have to insult him like this. Have you ever been to iraq? how about the middle east in general? so i guess you aren't an expert on world affairs? i am in the military and i can tell you right now you don't have a clue what's going on in the world. I would list every single good and decent thing that the United States of America has done for the WORLD but you are not worth the time.
m115838 3 years ago
sorry i posted that twice.
m115838 3 years ago
This is motivating as hell. Chamberlain and the 20th Maine serve as a testament to the strength and character of the common man. This was just a group of ordinary guys led by an unassuming college professor. It takes a lot of heart to continue fighting after going through what they did prior to even reaching Gettysburg. The regiment got slammed at Fredericksberg by both the rebels and by the winter weather, and were ravaged by smallpox at Chancellorsville a few weeks earlier.
fox2mike28 4 years ago 2
This Speech always makes me Proud To be A US citizen and Greatful for all the sacrifices this country's best Men and Women have made.
We need our Nation back to its Old Glory, VOTE!
boneybass 4 years ago
Great speech...thanks!
kent090909 4 years ago 2