there's some huge mis-interpretations of Nietzsche in here, but the idea that natural selection isn't operating on humans is ridiculous, and that our genes can be "degraded" not only ridiculous, but dangerous, Lebensunwertes Leben &c. You shouldn't try to teach this stuff when it's so obvious you don't understand it.
@MrCropper No, in fact I'd say thinking that just shows further confusion. You're reifying natural selection, it's just a concept. Some things are fit and breed some things are not and don't. What's happened is our fitness has increased. This may seem like semantics, but it shows an excess of fitness, not any form of weakness. Your version suggests humanity can become fitter by killing off our own, and not killing off our predators (virii &c.). It's a fundamental misconception.
@MrCropper I'll admit that's an easy way to dodge the point, but it's also a plea to authority (which is doubly redundant since I'm challenging your authority in the first place), and an ad-hominem. However much philosophy I know, I know that this is a cop out, since you've changed topic rather than answering the point.
Let's make it empirical: How do you measure the standard rate natural selection operates on humanity at? (not average, median, &c., standard)
Nietzsche was a total loser not even able to solve differential equations. Instead of wasting time with the easy stuff like philosophy, one is better off studying hard stuff like higher mathematics, physics, chemistry or even biology. Everyone can do philosophy. Cheap. Better learn the stuff that got us here, especially that which built our computers, cars, and everything else necessary for a modern life.
(I agree about the gene stuff though: we need to select for IQ, otherwise we're doomed.)
@jkev76 How is philosophy any less important than higher mathematics? And how do you have higher mathematics without logic(which is a branch of philosophy). Solving fundamental problems requires philosophy. You need philosophy to have the scientific method in the first place, which is the basis for scientific theories. You even need philosophy to make a good argument.
An inquiry into the REALITY of social dynamics (the Game...) will help make sense of much of Nietzsche quoted in this video and elsewhere. He definitely had a good clue of people and their behavioral patterns.
Cropper, Have you read Nietzsche's other works (including his "nachlass") before reading Zarathustra? I must urge that Zarathustra should be the last work you read of his. It's a very difficult read, and it's often misinterpretted because the reader doesn't know enough about him and his philosophy.
What a travesty. What he means is that he is not poor enough in spirit to view "wealth" as any sort of "good" or "gift" whatsoever. Wisdom IS of value. I shall not be watching anymore of this series, to cite the lively, creative, and purely HUMAN wisdom of Nietzsche as "wrong" because they contradict the insipid, nihilistic and ultimately feeble words of Rand is laughable. It almost seems as if your devotion to reason (indifference) has sucked the life right out of you.
I appreciate your endeavors in reciting a whole text book for anyone to see and hear; excellent, and time well spent, thank you.
I'm a big fan of Nietzsche, but never read one of his books. But, I do plan on reading him, in the meantime, I am a fan of The Teaching Company and have ran into several references and interpretations from philosophers and of followers of Nietzsche and how he's impacted our present lives.
"Beyond Good and Evil" is a good one to start with.I would not suggest reading "Thus Spake..." until you are familiar with Nietzsche's other works, as it is very easy to misinterpret. "Overman" and "Eternal recurrance" are often completely misaproppriated. Bear in mind also that Nietzsche is deliberately esoteric, he doesn't want to be understood by everyone, he wants thinkers, not acolytes. As such he does not provide "answers", but rather wants you to find your own.
Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated. I've purchased his first 6 books; that should keep me occupied for a while. It's so interesting to think of Nietzsche as one of the founding fathers of Existentialism, Humanism & Phenomenology.
You "know" from The Fountainhead? Cropper, if you didn't have other people to shine for, you would indeed be an empty vessel. There is nothing worse than shinning alone, no matter how well you can sustain your ego. That's not to mean it's strictly for other people, nor mostly for other people, but still, others are a large part of our own well being.
I loved the sun quote as well, I wrote a paper in my undergrad, tying it into Plato's analogy of the sun as the ultimate good, and dagny taggert's remarks about the sun dying (and human's finding a replacement) in Atlas shrugged.
There is no natural selection removing sick people from the gene pool, so our genome is getting further and further degraded every generation. A large number of diseases are now treatable so the person sends their genes into the gene pool instead of killing over at a young age... See?
I feel rather confident that humanity will enter a new age with the perfection of genetic engineering where we will no longer have to obey the traditional rules of evolution.
Seems rather poetic that we would use our minds to evolve after evolution evolved our minds.
@TuesdaysThursdays This statement presupposes you know what perfection IS. Whose form of perfection should we be aiming at here? Yours? In truth, what would more than likely take place a perfection of "man as machine", that is to say, "object". Such a utilitarian "utopia" as portrayed in Huxleys "Brave New World"; a society of of "perfect" ignoble and pliable weaklings, with nothing genuine about them. It was this precisely type of society that Nietzsche warned us against!
I think that Nietzsche was speaking 25% evolution and about 75% "enlightenment" or in less of a Stupid Buddhist term- the increasing power of man to practice supreme values instead of ones that are weak and base. That is the overman, not necessarily a super human who could lift tanks and out think man as today by 10 fold due to evolution
yeah, not based on Zarathustra, but based on Nietzsche when he got intertwined with a woman and talked to a psychologist Dr. Bruar (spelling he was European lol) and it links to Sigmund Freud who was inspired by Nietzsche... so it's like a docudrama
Is over man has nothing to do with physical genetic evolution! It has nothing to do with how domesticated we are
Vpopov81 2 weeks ago
there's some huge mis-interpretations of Nietzsche in here, but the idea that natural selection isn't operating on humans is ridiculous, and that our genes can be "degraded" not only ridiculous, but dangerous, Lebensunwertes Leben &c. You shouldn't try to teach this stuff when it's so obvious you don't understand it.
pietzsche 1 month ago
@pietzsche "the idea that natural selection isn't operating on humans is ridiculous"
Would you admit that it is operating at a slowed rate due to technology?
MrCropper 1 month ago
@MrCropper No, in fact I'd say thinking that just shows further confusion. You're reifying natural selection, it's just a concept. Some things are fit and breed some things are not and don't. What's happened is our fitness has increased. This may seem like semantics, but it shows an excess of fitness, not any form of weakness. Your version suggests humanity can become fitter by killing off our own, and not killing off our predators (virii &c.). It's a fundamental misconception.
pietzsche 1 month ago
@pietzsche MCrop: "Would you admit that it is operating at a slowed rate due to technology?"
ptz: "No, in fact I'd say thinking that just shows further confusion. You're reifying natural selection, it's just a concept."
I posit, sir, that you know neither nautral selection philosophy as a whole. You are very confused.
MrCropper 1 month ago
@MrCropper I'll admit that's an easy way to dodge the point, but it's also a plea to authority (which is doubly redundant since I'm challenging your authority in the first place), and an ad-hominem. However much philosophy I know, I know that this is a cop out, since you've changed topic rather than answering the point.
Let's make it empirical: How do you measure the standard rate natural selection operates on humanity at? (not average, median, &c., standard)
I say there's no such thing. (cont)
pietzsche 1 month ago
this is awful. end now. you are not deserving. thank you.
ItsAroundMidnight 3 months ago
his not going to go down the monten he is like the sun going to... ffs
Eminor31415 3 months ago
nooooooo it's the sea and not a lake... fore all nietzsche spoke of his stomick
Eminor31415 3 months ago
not the lake hehe the sea ffs it's importent hehe :-)
Eminor31415 3 months ago
Nietzsche was a total loser not even able to solve differential equations. Instead of wasting time with the easy stuff like philosophy, one is better off studying hard stuff like higher mathematics, physics, chemistry or even biology. Everyone can do philosophy. Cheap. Better learn the stuff that got us here, especially that which built our computers, cars, and everything else necessary for a modern life.
(I agree about the gene stuff though: we need to select for IQ, otherwise we're doomed.)
jkev76 4 months ago
@jkev76 How is philosophy any less important than higher mathematics? And how do you have higher mathematics without logic(which is a branch of philosophy). Solving fundamental problems requires philosophy. You need philosophy to have the scientific method in the first place, which is the basis for scientific theories. You even need philosophy to make a good argument.
VanessaTexasGal 1 month ago
And what is Zarathustra doing in the filthy hands of the rabble?
nabla00 5 months ago
Zaratustra is a deep reading maybe the deepest book ever written for the lovers of this world ;)
jcliveron 6 months ago 2
who is this douche reading?
natedog2069 6 months ago
sorry, i dislike your interpretations
keep trying.
selvmordspilot 6 months ago
An inquiry into the REALITY of social dynamics (the Game...) will help make sense of much of Nietzsche quoted in this video and elsewhere. He definitely had a good clue of people and their behavioral patterns.
TheDarkPan 7 months ago
Psychology....satan's greatest trick.
angelseatupward 8 months ago
what a boring reading
ruzickaw 10 months ago
I thought it was pronounced "zar, uh, thuh, strah"?
cheesebowls 1 year ago
Cropper, Have you read Nietzsche's other works (including his "nachlass") before reading Zarathustra? I must urge that Zarathustra should be the last work you read of his. It's a very difficult read, and it's often misinterpretted because the reader doesn't know enough about him and his philosophy.
NescioQuidErgoDeus 2 years ago
u need to lnpw a lot about the zarathustra philosophy before you read this book
gettingchilli 2 years ago
hello,
what was the copy that you first showed?
what's the edition, publisher or year?
regards.
samueleishion 2 years ago
What a travesty. What he means is that he is not poor enough in spirit to view "wealth" as any sort of "good" or "gift" whatsoever. Wisdom IS of value. I shall not be watching anymore of this series, to cite the lively, creative, and purely HUMAN wisdom of Nietzsche as "wrong" because they contradict the insipid, nihilistic and ultimately feeble words of Rand is laughable. It almost seems as if your devotion to reason (indifference) has sucked the life right out of you.
biggsy182 2 years ago 13
@biggsy182
you said it
wintermutation 11 months ago
nietszche's superman...is the soul as a product of the body...like a cell that splits to reproduce
yikeswood 2 years ago
I appreciate your endeavors in reciting a whole text book for anyone to see and hear; excellent, and time well spent, thank you.
I'm a big fan of Nietzsche, but never read one of his books. But, I do plan on reading him, in the meantime, I am a fan of The Teaching Company and have ran into several references and interpretations from philosophers and of followers of Nietzsche and how he's impacted our present lives.
musicmathieu 2 years ago
"Beyond Good and Evil" is a good one to start with.I would not suggest reading "Thus Spake..." until you are familiar with Nietzsche's other works, as it is very easy to misinterpret. "Overman" and "Eternal recurrance" are often completely misaproppriated. Bear in mind also that Nietzsche is deliberately esoteric, he doesn't want to be understood by everyone, he wants thinkers, not acolytes. As such he does not provide "answers", but rather wants you to find your own.
biggsy182 2 years ago
Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated. I've purchased his first 6 books; that should keep me occupied for a while. It's so interesting to think of Nietzsche as one of the founding fathers of Existentialism, Humanism & Phenomenology.
musicmathieu 2 years ago
...But sadly, he attracted acolytes who have no idea what he meant to say.
NescioQuidErgoDeus 2 years ago
A fucking fan without reading him?
bohemenmann 2 years ago
its like being the fan of a band you've never listened to.
begily 2 years ago
Im uploading a video response right now to this, i hope you take the time to consider it
guitaoist 2 years ago
You "know" from The Fountainhead? Cropper, if you didn't have other people to shine for, you would indeed be an empty vessel. There is nothing worse than shinning alone, no matter how well you can sustain your ego. That's not to mean it's strictly for other people, nor mostly for other people, but still, others are a large part of our own well being.
BrianTheMusicMan 2 years ago
Regarding the sun quote - It can be interpreted in another way as well: That nature exists for the sake of man's usage.
It may not be Nietzche's intent, I don't know. But just that one sentence taken out of context, I like to think of it this way.
NotThat3 2 years ago
I loved the sun quote as well, I wrote a paper in my undergrad, tying it into Plato's analogy of the sun as the ultimate good, and dagny taggert's remarks about the sun dying (and human's finding a replacement) in Atlas shrugged.
Calebus 2 years ago
I freakin' love the bedtime-story aspect of this. I wish my parents read me this as a kid. I'll make a mental note of that if I have kids.
justinwlaurab 2 years ago
Pretty good book, seems like the type that gives wings to your mind.
SuperFinGuy 2 years ago
Good series. I like your commentary
KT45 2 years ago 2
The end of this video somewhat confuses me about human genes and "our batteries dying".
I don't quite understand exactly what MrCropper is saying, anyone?
PortfolioManager1987 2 years ago
"about human genes and "our batteries dying"."
There is no natural selection removing sick people from the gene pool, so our genome is getting further and further degraded every generation. A large number of diseases are now treatable so the person sends their genes into the gene pool instead of killing over at a young age... See?
MrCropper 2 years ago
I feel rather confident that humanity will enter a new age with the perfection of genetic engineering where we will no longer have to obey the traditional rules of evolution.
Seems rather poetic that we would use our minds to evolve after evolution evolved our minds.
TuesdaysThursdays 2 years ago
" humanity will enter a new age with the perfection of genetic engineering where we will no longer have to obey the traditional rules of evolution."
I agree; I think we have no choice but to learn genetic engineering.
MrCropper 2 years ago
@TuesdaysThursdays This statement presupposes you know what perfection IS. Whose form of perfection should we be aiming at here? Yours? In truth, what would more than likely take place a perfection of "man as machine", that is to say, "object". Such a utilitarian "utopia" as portrayed in Huxleys "Brave New World"; a society of of "perfect" ignoble and pliable weaklings, with nothing genuine about them. It was this precisely type of society that Nietzsche warned us against!
biggsy182 1 year ago
Thanks for clearing that up, now I get it :)
PortfolioManager1987 2 years ago
Oh, hellz yeah.
nine9s 2 years ago
zarathustra is among one of my fav books, your commentaryis good & looking forward to the series.
matrixcmitech 2 years ago
I think that Nietzsche was speaking 25% evolution and about 75% "enlightenment" or in less of a Stupid Buddhist term- the increasing power of man to practice supreme values instead of ones that are weak and base. That is the overman, not necessarily a super human who could lift tanks and out think man as today by 10 fold due to evolution
444DeanMachine 2 years ago
great for me right now. I actually was reading "Beyond Good and Evil" earlier today. I heard that Zaruthustra was his best...
Are you aware of the psychologist Irvin Yalom? And the book he wrote "When Nietzsche Wept"? Which was made into a movie.
TheObnubilators 2 years ago
"Are you aware of the psychologist Irvin Yalom? And the book he wrote..."
Not at all.
MrCropper 2 years ago
Love the movie :) haven't read the book
444DeanMachine 2 years ago
there's a movie based on it?
zarath00stra 2 years ago
yeah, not based on Zarathustra, but based on Nietzsche when he got intertwined with a woman and talked to a psychologist Dr. Bruar (spelling he was European lol) and it links to Sigmund Freud who was inspired by Nietzsche... so it's like a docudrama
444DeanMachine 2 years ago
sounds good, whats it called?
zarath00stra 2 years ago
"When Nietzsche Wept"
444DeanMachine 2 years ago
Does anybody know which work by Nietches was Ayn Rands favorite?
WarVideo 2 years ago
"Does anybody know which work by Nietches was Ayn Rands favorite?"
She said late in her life that she re - read "Zarathustra" almost every year of her life to that date.
MrCropper 2 years ago