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  • Thanks guys. Thanks a fucking bunch.

    - Australia

  • In Spain now most young people are unemployed. And the unemployment rate is rising.....

  • yes and why are these banks in trouble....because america dreged us down with them

  • I was kind of hoping the rest of the world wasn't quite as fucked as the US. That hope is starting to dwindle....

  • @Stevie68000 : can we please stop with this nonsense.. Some of the most vocal opponents of the Fed / subprime housing / regulations / etc were also jews. The folks who brought the Austrian school of economics were also jews.

  • I dont know what to say about a global depression, I feel I have a naive optimism that says "Don't worry, every thing will be alright"

  • Its becoming painfully obvious from how well Australia's economy is doing compared to pretty much every other is that stimulus always trumps austerity - The only sector which should be taking a hit are the godamn assholes who screwed up the system - Bankers! Plus does anyone regulate these ratings agencies? Seems like an awful lot of power to hold over a nations reputation...

  • @enigma1990 You think Australia is doing well?? Seriously have ya watched the news?? The only thing keeping this country floating and in the green is the mining sector, other then that the government does not care if jobs go overseas and more and more people become unemployed, but frak it right!? As long as we get our Sunday BBQ everything is fine right??

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  • Mby, I should buy gold before it is to late... hmmm

  • @Vendetta042 Don't know how it is in your country, but in mine (Netherlands) you see a LOT of advertisements for people offering to buy your gold and jewelery off you.

    Also these kind of ads seem to run rampant in the Britain and Ireland (or at least they were during 2010, haven't been over there lately)

    Mark my words, a return to the gold standard may be incoming.

    Oil runs out, gold too, but less quickly.

  • I think the Finnish bank got downgraded because of the insecurity of the European financial sector...

  • This is the world economy: an egg.

    This is the world economy on Reaganomics: a fried egg.

    Any questions?

  • @cleanhomer : This is the world economy on socialism: eggdrop soup.

    Any question?

  • End the Euro...

    And the FED.

    RON PAUL 2012.

  • @DackIsBack Shut the fuck up, Ron Paulers!

  • Tax cuts for the rich are the answer since they are the 1s who keep the ecomony going

  • @timoback3000 troll detected.

  • If all these banks were gamblers, then who's the house? No really, I have no idea. That money went somewhere didn't it?

  • @ggorg2000 the rothschild family, the bilderbergs, the rockerfellas

  • @ggorg2000 The everyday poor schlums are the house. We're paying for all this shit.

  • @ggorg2000 Ever wonder where all those billion dollar bonuses come from for the select few ?

  • @ggorg2000 Shirley owes Bill money who owes Jane money who owes Bob money but Jane cant pay Bob because Bill cant pay Jane because Shirley cant pay Bill. So in this case the government pays Bob with Shirleys, Bills, and Janes taxes while everyone else gets austerity. Its free market!

  • @ggorg2000 I've often wondered this, it has led to hours of confusion.

  • @ggorg2000 The banks are the gamblers, the taxpayers are the fund and the house is the ceo's who make billions off of their own banks failing.

  • @BenjiREC - I name call, sure, but that's because I'm sick and tired of seeing your ignorant comments all over the internet. You claim free-market capitalism works. But when you're pressed on it's biggest weakness - land ownership - you fall in to a sputtering ball of stupid that is mind numbing to behold!

    Get your head out of Stefbot's ass and THINK you fucking retard. It's not rocket science. He who owns the land in capitalism is the lord of everyone!

  • @BenjiREC - "Free market capitalism" is basically feudalism, because you grand property owners the right to take everything from everyone else, all in the name of "rent." Stupid idiot asshole.

    Before you say "new landlords will make better offers," where the hell will the new landlords come from? Will the mystical awesomeness of "free-market capitalism" magically cause land to rise from the seas?

    Fucking moronic idiot serf. Get back to work, SLAVE!

  • @LeksServices : eh? ROFL, Your bungled definition of free-market describes what feudalism and socialism share in common - you have no rights to your own property. Everything is owned and taken away by the state or your overlord.

    Socialism never worked and never will.

  • Universal Debt Jubilee ... it's the only way out.

  • MFW the only banks doing poorly in my country are the ones that follow the Anglo-saxon capitalism model and did a lot of business with the US O.o

    I'd lol if I didn't do my banking at one of those fuckers.

    Rhineland it is!

  • Do what Iceland did. Let the big banks fail.

  • @interfan63 That's what I thought when this mess started, but then I heard hoe poorly business are ran in the US. At least 1 nationwide service business can't operate 24 hour without getting a loan & there are many business like that it seems. The banks pretty much has the world by the short hairs.

  • I say let it happen, that would mean a good portion of the money the banks have is worthless, and alot of the rich will be down to the level of the middle class and the poor. This is what happens when you gut the regulations that were meant to stave off another global depression. Stop your whining, you're going to get sick because of your unwillingness to take your medication for a few moments of pointless comforts.

    Global Governments and the Banks have no one else to blame but themselves.

  • @bigboywasim Big Government is the Patriot Act and the newest NDAA. Regulation that protects the people from harm is government working as it should. There were no regulations of derivative trade. The economy tanked because of them.

  • So your saying after the banks got bailed out they were like hey we could do whatever and not go bankrupt. Its called Moral Hazzard

  • i didn't relize how cynical i really was until todays storys...

  • It seems that there's FUNCAS amouncas.

  • should have let them fail.

  • We may be witnessing the curtain act of capitalism, certainly of unbridled capitalism. The gangsters that make capitalism work cannot be left unsupervised for the sake of the the rest of us.

  • @BenjiREC you dontknow anything, you don even have a clear def. for capitalism

  • @BenjiREC the attitude is due to your smugmness. you act like you even know what you profess, you should be asking questions, not telling me whats what.

  • sooo moove to the moon

  • @BenjiREC my god you are fucking retarded, first you say we dont have capitalism then you say im right and we do and half way down the same comment you go back to saying we dont.

    capitalism isnt limited to free markets. you ignorant slut.

    i dont want a socialist government, i want socialism. eu is capitalist.

    another libertarian that fails to understand basic definitions...

  • The irony of austerity measures is that they make the Public Debt to GDP ratio even worse by shrinking the economy.

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA Europe fucking faggots.

  • Yo, TyT please invite Dean Baker of CEPR to future shows. He is sharp, as are his colleagues.

  • @BenjiREC Its not as ridiculous, because even by your own admission, we live in a capitalist economy. crony-"Capitalism"

    you are retarded.

  • @BenjiREC one intentionally favors the rich, one does it by side effect. neither are worth while. Not that I had any obligation to answer that, because you did that to side track this discussion away from your ignorance of socialism.

  • I have to wonder if Thomas Jefferson isn't chuckling in his grave. He warned us about this over 2 hundred years ago...he strongly resisted the formation of banks in the US because of possible situations like this.

  • @BenjiREC ---

    Free market capitalism= Capitalism built upon a theoretical model that has never existed as an empirical, real life example.

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    Crony capitalism= Capitalism invented by whining capitalists to explain the 1997 currency crisis.

  • @underbjorn you sir, are correct. Good day to you,

  • I can't believe people still care about what Fitch thinks. They rated subprime mortage based CDO's with AAA. If they are not crooks, they are completely incopetent. If the market echonomy actually worked those rating agencies would have gone out of business 3 years ago.

  • @AngeCord ---

    Credit rating agencies are hired by banks and finance institutes to rate them.

    So the banks pay Fitch etc to rate them, there's a conflict of interest here where money obviously wins.

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    The global finance market has become so handicapped, these conmen are relied upon to judge whether pooled debt is toxic or not because of the complex mathematic combinations banks use.

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    Britain just re-regulated their banks, good move by the Conservative Party!

  • In the Netherlands the Rabobank was downgraded, but the Rabobank still has the highest rating in the world. Also, they were downgraded because of a new method to calculate the rating, not because of bad prospects; the Rabobanks' trademark is safety.

  • It seems as if the leaders and bankers in all of these nations including mine has failed miserably at their jobs, many I'm sure are just robbing citizens and governments blind.

    It's no surprise the US banks, and I'm sure some US politicians, are in the middle of another mess again. This is all just a global theftfest. Can anyone really do anything other than sit back and watch the kingdoms crumble?

  • Republicans:  Austerity measures are failing in Europe. Let's do it here!

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  • They know we're fucked, this is why they are passing bills like SOPA, PIP, National Security etc... Make protestors into terrorists, arrest the indefinitely.. censor the net.. etc etc etc.

  • @lestliness Meh, their empire won't last long; fattened, liberty-spoiled people can get humongously, brilliantly revolutionary when they become starved & caged.

  • How do they expect Europeans to spend more money when living costs are rocketing and average wages are going down? This makes no sense, even Christmas can barely lure people to spend their money or what little they have left!

  • cenk is wrong. i studied the greek crisis at great lenght and they have to do auserity programms to asure not to be the prey of the financial markets. on the other hand thy would (of cooooourse need growth.

    Greece is in a really bad situation now

  • Maybe its me but common damn sense would be stop giving money to the rich and focus on the working poor & the middle class. The middle class and the working poor stimulate the economy when they have more they spend more its not rocket science. Every country that try to cut out the middle class & working poor are having financial problems so obviously giving money to the top while suffocating the bottom is not working.

  • @demarcus39209 agreed. I bet a very large amount of money is just stockpiled with the rich that cant even used the money in such great quantities. Just more money people that need it cant use and leaves less available...

  • @demarcus39209 Sure it's working. It's working great. It's just that the objective isn't financial security or overall prosperity.

  • @demarcus39209 Problem is the US Federal Reserve rich and poor have nothing to do with it

  • @RunningHalo3andMW2 The US Federal Reserve always gives money to the rich.

  • Goldman Sachs helped Greece to cook its books to meet the criteria to join the Euro. Paranoid people even would argue they did this with help/encouragement by the US Government to weaken the Euro.

  • And yet no one serves hard time in prison. Europe or America, unregulated capitalism is a disaster.

  • Capitalism is sick and old, and we are witnessing its death. Also socialism is not the same as big government. Nipping that in the butt before that gets started.

  • @endauthority sure, so what other options do we have ? communism or maybe a god state like iran ? dude we need capitalism, but uncreative slaves like you who just work obviously can't see the potential this world holds

  • @TehCuteDuke Socialism is good. I have yet to see actual communism by the way, just a quick quiz for you, whats the difference between communism and socialism?

  • @endauthority : communism knocks you in the head, socialism gradually starves you to death.

  • @tooltalk cool catch phrase, but you dont know what either are

  • @endauthority : you do?

  • @tooltalk yup

  • @endauthority : me too!

  • @tooltalk you really dont. you think socialism and government have anything in common. that right there tells me you have a libertarian definition of socialism that is completely removed from anything any socialist believes.

  • @endauthority : who said anything about gov't? You deny that socialism is based on collective ownership / output and rejection of private / individual rights?

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  • @tooltalk i quoted from another discussion because its something you said, you retard.

    private property is not an objective right. its purely arbitrary, and based on really loose philosophy. with that being said, most socialists do believe in private property, as long as it does not interfere with the livelyhood of others. me on the other hand, i dont believe in property period.

  • @endauthority : LOL,

    wtf? honey, did you just figure that the notion of private/individual rights is relatively a young political, economic idea in human history (though a few isolated ancient Celtic Ireland civ's practiced it)? or that there wasn't much of that freedom or individual legal rights until recently? Secondly, let me repeat, socialism does not *maximize* individuals rights. It maximizes the rights of collectives over individuals. And who the fuck are "most socialists"? When did

  • @tooltalk half of what you said has no relevance to the discussion. who cares how old the ideas are?

    the second half is just you saying socialism sucks, you arent actually addressing anything that has to do with socialism. with socialism, the only time the democratic process is used is when an issue effects many people. individual rights end where other individual rights begin

    read about socialism before being brainwashed by the republican youth cult known as the libertarian party

  • @endauthority : LOL, honey, you were supposed to defend your bullshit claim on how socialism *maximizes* individual rights. Instead, you kept on meandering around with your theories about the philosophy of private. I should have ignored it from the getgo, but called out your coherent distraction.

    It's rather clear that you absolutely have no clue what you are talking about. So why don't you STFU?

  • @tooltalk I've already told you how it maximizes individual rights... you are completely illiterate...

  • @endauthority : LOL, another f'ng clueless socialist troll.

    You: socialism *maximizes* individual rights, but does nothing to protect them.

    Me: makes no sense.

    You: Private rights is a loose philosophy. "Most socialists" believe in private property, but I don't.

    Me: I don't give a fuck about your flawed view of the private property, or "most socialists" or "your view" think - completely irrelevant. Explain how socialism maximized private / individual rights.

    You: you illiterate

    That sums up

  • @tooltalk you are retarded. I told you that property rights often come in conflict with individual rights, which is where the "collective" aspect comes in. Every person is more free to do what they want with socialism.

    look to the "lake" argument I made earlier, you stupid libertarian pseudo intellectual.

  • @endauthority : ROFL, your dumbass "lake" example contradicts your claim - socialism does not recognize private / individual rights of property owner if the collective deems it necessary (or "depend on it). It only protects the rights of the collective, the beneficiary of the theft, not the individual owner. That is not "every person".

  • @tooltalk no, it benefits my claim. If you lived in a community where your only source of water is the lake, and some guy thinks he owns it, your individual liberty is now compromised.

    property rights are not necessarily a part of being free, or an individual.

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  • @tooltalk there wouldnt *be* a property owner.... noone would be allowed to own something that many people depend on. In this case, the person you refer to as the "property owner" is removing the individual right to existence for many others.

    Nobody has property rights, anyway. Property rights are given by governments to elevate social standing.

  • @endauthority : ROFL. dumbass. How does socialism maximize private / individual rights when it doesn't even *allow* such rights to exist in the first place? You are not entitled to anything created or owned by others. You can't *remove* something from anybody unless you start with a flawed assumption that everything is already owned & shared collectively by *everyone*.

    Enough of your batshit. Don't respond until you get your f'ed-up head checked.

  • @tooltalk socialism maximizes individual rights, because individual rights arent actually tied to property ownership. Property ownership gets in the way of individual rights.

    Property ownership is a collective function of government, not of the individual.

  • @endauthority : that pretty much sums up our conversation so far.. seriously, if you don't know what you are talking about, why don't you just STFU?

  • @endauthority i agree he sounds like a dumb douche

  • @endauthority : you become their spokesperson?

  • @endauthority : but socialism is already dead.

  • I love how on TYT videos that the top comments are usually from Europeans bashing the U.S. for its failures and everyone LOVES it. Yet, when there's a video of European failure the top comments are always excuses as to how it's not a big deal and that their way of governance is still right. Haha, how delusional

  • @MrFreeCookie

    Is your position to just bitch and complain? That's the problem with this fucked up country. We're always looking for excuses and someone to blame rather than looking for solutions. Our politicians and gov't have cajoled us. Time for things to change.

  • @Joolazoo You're using money and resources as interchangeable terms, which they are not. Money holds no physical worth, it is backed by no real value---physical resources however, do. Money isn't created based on how much physical wealth is backing it---its simply printed based on demand with no real value behind it. Money is worthless, resources are not.

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    This economic collapse has nothing to do with workers or resources; only the fallacy called money. Its all an empty illusion.

  • Is liberal position to just spend till the end of time? THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.

  • @MrFreeCookie The Liberal position on money is the exact same as the Republican position; endlessly buy money, at interest, from the Federal Reserve, in a cycle of endless debt you cannot pay back, but only go further into.

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    The progressive position however, is to abolish the eternal debt cycle of the Fed. so the masses can finally get out of the economic enslavement of having to pay into debt which isn't possible to pay off.

  • @Jex134 : but who will pay for progressive's welfare?

  • Europe needs to do real austerity measures, where the government spending is cut by 60-85% and the social programs are cut by that amount and many politicians lose their jobs. This is GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.

    All of the spending that doesn't happen in government is money that does not have to be STOLEN (taxed) from the investors and businesses and people.

    It's the people who drive the economy, not government spending.

    US and EU want to bail out the banks, of-course, so expect more TARP.

  • No, austerity measures means that you need LESS TAXES IN THE FIRST PLACE, because austerity applies to GOVERNMENT SPENDING, dumb fuck.

  • @romanmir01

    "dumb fuck."

    Hey some truth from you! Oh wait, you weren't talking about yourself.

  • "encouraged them"??? lol, they have no volition of their own? they have no soul, no freewill? they are mindless animals?

  • When banks make bad bets, let them fail and let them die. That's how it should work. I don't care how many people get laid off or how much the lending market gets hit by it -- if you play games with wreckless betting and loose, then fuck off. No tax money to bail them out, and no low- or zero-interest loans to prop them up.

  • I find the economic troubles in the past 3 years to be so... pointless. So much stress and so much worry for problems that are essentially non-existent, only theoretical.

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    If you disagree, let me ask you this: is there any less raw resources on Earth? Are there fewer eligible workers? Has technology pack peddled? Are there less machines for us to use? Is there any tangible factor in the economic system that has failed us in any tangible way? No, no, no, no, and no.

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    So why all the worry??

  • @Jex134 ---

    "I find the economic troubles in the past 3 years to be so... pointless. "

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    Indeed. It wasn't caused by war, famine nor lack of physical resources but ruthless speculation by people with an excess of capital, predatory loaning and unregulated trading of debt to avoid all risk of high-risk loans.

  • @Jex134 We misallocated tremendous amounts of real resources and they're never comming back.

    We have people who could have been mathematicians, physicists and engineers playing games with money, producing nothing.

    We fooled people who ought to be saving that everything was taken care of, causing them to consume massively more than they should have.

    We had real people quit their productive job and become real estate agents. We built a bunch of unwanted houses.

    And so on.

  • @soylentgreenb Those "real resources" you're talking about is money, which is NOT a real resource. It was under the gold standard, where every dollar was backed by physical gold, but we haven't used that system for some 80 years. Today, money isn't backed by any real value---it only holds value because we all collectively agree it does, when in reality it doesn't.

    Again, this whole economic collapse is just in peoples heads. There's no real loss in workers or resources; all false

  • @Jex134 - Gold was initially used as money because it, too, had no real value.

  • @LeksServices Actually gold has immense value. It doesn't corrode or degrade in any environment, its the 2nd most conductive metal (silver is most conductive but due to its rapid tarnish it becomes useless for circuitry), its extremely easy to work with (too malleable actually; it has to be impure for jewelry so it stays solid), it has a very high luster, and its very hard to get from the ground, so nobody can just pull a fortune out of their ass.

  • @Jex134

    Firstly, regarding public debt... if governments can't pay their bills, then this is serious. The only reason we haven't seen total defaults is because of huge, politically disastrous intervention by neighboring countries. Secondly, regarding private sector... the income gap has shifted dramatically, leaving more people in poverty in wealthy countries. Natural resources on earth are only good if everyone has sufficient access to  them.

  • @dookdawg214 - Money is not a real resource. It has no inherent value at all. If you want a measure of REAL wealth, you need look only beneath your feet. LAND is the measure of real wealth. This is easily demonstrated. If I own 99% of the United States of America, then who is not my servant?

  • @LeksServices

    Money represents your share of the resources. In case you haven't noticed, we no longer live on an earth where you can just walk up to a random field and start planting things. Your share of resources hinges on what society allows. If 1% own 90% of the nation's money, then they also own 90% of the nation's resources.

  • Cenk you are wrong about the greece & goldman sachs. greece should not have been in the eurozone in the first place. goldman was their auditor and lied. also they borrowed way more than the could afford to pay back. their politicians spent like crazy to get reflected. their civil servants were paid way too much like the comm train operators were making 65k a year

  • A global economy is no good.

  • A house of cards built with smoke and mirrors.

  • Elizabeth Warren 2012!!

  • Are the austerity measures really backfiring, or are the austerity measures going exactly as planned?

  • @underbjorn As someone who lives in Europe (vienna) I totally agree with you. The absolute minimum of what we need is a merciless regulation of the financial market and the financial transaction tax.

    One reason why your comment was marked as spam was probaply because americans maybe don't even know what the word neoliberal and it's economic effects mean.

    It is very destructive when the mainstream of a country is so hardcore rightwing that even the word 'social' is a taboo.

  • @etetepete ---

    You know it's bad when a fundamentalist like Glenn Beck tells people to leave their churches if the word "social justice" appears on the agenda, xP

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    And no, probably many Americans have no clue what neoliberal means. :P

  • So can we keep blaming the banks and actalyl DO something about it? I mean they won't havepower in politics anymore. They won't have the money to spend on it.

  • @tyrongkojy ---

    During the beginning of the global recession, the annual bonuses of the U.S' five largest companies' directors increased from 38 to 40+ billion dollars.

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    I think they can afford whatever they want, they steal the common man's money on their ponzi schemes built on thin air.

    That they become richer while everybody else becomes poorer in the middle of a major crisis isn't a coincidence.

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  • So if you cut gov spending, your economy doesn't grow... so the solution to overspending is to spend more!

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  • @bluefootedpig - What's your solution? Hand all the land over to the wealthy few so we can have them running our lives instead of the government? Do yourself a favor: Sell all your land, rent a house, and see how well that works out for you.

  • @LeksServices Sold my land, i do rent, and it is amazing. I am coming out way ahead every month now. And to fix prices like this, you liquidate bad assests. You let the housing prices fall to what they are actually worth, then housing becomes cheap for those people who didn't commit it to too much. Take someone who does rent, and has saved up 150k. A house that used to be worth 300k, now foreclosed is selling at 150k. That person can buy outright for doing well. Instead it is propped up.

  • Cenk: your analysis is very shallow.

    1. The fact that anyone trusts the analysis from the rating companies that rated AAA CDOs and banks right before they crashed still amazes me. The truth is, while governments cannot pay these agencies for their ratings, companies can.

    2. EU-17 GDP 2012 growth forecast is +0.5. Yes it's true that is almost a recession, but it's not. Germany and France will grow +1.6. Only Greece and Portugal will recess.

    It's more of a "not good" situation than a PANIC!!!

  • Damn!!! Just started college and now I'm not even sure I'll have a chance at finding work when I graduate.

  • @KingArthur13th : if you are stuydying engineering / science, you will.

  • this is what happens when you allow greed to exist

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  • I'm glad Tony Blair will be ok. ...

  • cenk has got to stop the sarcasm cuz for some noobs it may sound confusing

  • euro sux

  • Capitalism sucks

  • yay canada banks

  • You don't get it Cenk; that is exactly what they are trying to do. Shovel all the commodities upward, while making the means we have to purchase those commodities useless.

  • we are already in a depression, just look at the unofficial 20% unemployment rate in the us

  • I am against the death penalty - except for bankers who destroy nations while they rob them.

  • DEC 21,2011 but if they didnt add a zero between AD and BC it will this week everyone gets to watch something happen. Slaves to Bankers!

  • 15 trillion and counting, what do YOU expect. Keep borrowing, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • Why dont our "leaders" start beheading these bankster assholes?

  • coming? global depression has been here for a while now

  • Just in time for 2012