Mars Hill Worship Service Seattle

[mannymtz01]

AMMEN!!!

[iPink8912]

@revholland1 if the holy spirit is in the music and the singers and draws them in then where is there fault? As long as the Glory resides in that place than God will take care of them, as long as the right worship is provided around them then the Holy Spirit will be there. The goal is not entertainment but worship of God and as long as he is being worshiped under the Holy Ghost(in Spirit and in Truth) then all is good

[IntelligentRectangle]

There should be a new rule that any video with Christian connections should have the comment section removed so it can just speak for itself.

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. Yes, you are right. It is maybe foolish to bicker over such matters and i wouldn't make such an issue the basis of fellowship with other believers. But there are other issues involved other than merely instruments per say. Do take on board that there is a big danger than many are attracted to a church purely because of the music and never hear the Gospel. It becomes mere entertainment, and that is wrong. Peoples souls are important which is why I preach on the street 3 times a wk

[lifedues]

@revholland1 Your comment, "many are attracted to a church purely because of the music and never hear the Gospel", shows an incorrect belief that "hearing" the gospel might be dependent on the circumstances or surroundings or even the music being played. In Isaiah 55:11, God says, "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." KJV

[lifedues]

@revholland1 Your comment, "many are attracted to a church purely because of the music and never hear the Gospel", shows a belief that "hearing" the gospel might be dependent on the circumstances or surroundings or even the music being played. Isaiah 55:11, "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." If God's word is being preached, it will be heard.

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. Give to God in your worship what He requires and commands and not what you think suits best. Otherwise you are offering up strange fire to the LORD as did Nadab and Abihu in Lev. 10. '..and offered strange fire before the LORD which He commanded them not.' You are not commanded, as was David and the OT, to bring into worship a whole band of musical instruments. Period.

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. Do you not understand that as far as the history of the church is concerned you are on the side of error? Your musical bands and all that goes with it not only have no basis in Scripture (we are not on about people playing in their own time or for their own pleasure) we are on about the public worship of God. That is given a special place, outside of the ordinary day to day things, as can be seen from both Testaments. You can not bring just any old things into public worship.

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. David playing before Saul was not an act of temple worship. While every part of our lives are to be an act of worship, there is a special act of corporate worship where God's people are assembled together. Such a time is unique and special. There are nine recorded instruments mentioned in the OT. Only four of those were to be permitted, none of the others were allowed. Of those 4 permitted, they were only to be played by certain people and only on certain occasions. Why was that?

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. No, you don't have to throw out the pews etc because I don't worship God with the pew, or the electricity etc. And no, it doesn't get me thinking at all. You need to do more thinking on this issue. I would encourage a deeper study on the whole matter, as well as early church history. Every blessing!

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. No, it's not an argument from silence. Why? Because if you go back to where it all began in the OT you will find that the using of instruments were directly linked with a command from God. And were directly linked with the temple. Why, or maybe you do, don't you use incense in worship, or carry out the various feast days mentioned in the OT too? Why be so inconsistent? If you are going to use the OT as your basis for worship then go the whole hog. Why stop with the instruments?

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. Yes, there are churches today who follow exactly the practice of the early church, the Reformers, the Puritans, the Evangelical Awakening preachers etc. who does use no instruments at all. They use just their voices as God gave them to be used.

[revholland1]

@gooddaytoya1. Yes i have read the book of Psalms. Have you read the New Testament, with its zero instruments? They are symbolic in Revelation, as is the book itself. Instruments in the OT were connected with temple worship whcih passed away with the coming of Christ, which is why the NT and early church did not use them. Read early church history and you will know. The 1st ever recorded instrument in any church was in AD670, and not before; and that was in a Roman Catholic church.

[revholland1]

Is this meant to be Christian? Really? This guy ought to get hold of the clips on youtube 'I sold my soul for rock and roll.' This stuff is NOT worship in any shape or form. Besides, the NT & early church used NO MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in their worship. And that on BIBLICAL principle. ie such belonged to the OT sacrifial system and passed away in Christ. Doesn't that say something? This is satanic and devilish...

[thaxton74]

@revholland1 Sir your comments are ignorant, and your argument is weak. The perspicuity of scripture clearly teaches instrument worship as a good practice for the new testament church. However, if you continue to follow Ephesians 5 out of context than you sir are an uneducated stumbling block to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I live deep in the bible belt, and I am a student Pastor. Your comments are nothing but discouraging. Sadly I think my words are wasted here. I just feel sorry for you.

[revholland1]

@thaxton74. If your words are wasted then why post? It's not my argument, Sir, that you are ignorantly disputing with, it is the plain simply teaching of Scripture, and is backed up back the Apostolic Fathers, the Church Fathers, the Reformers, the Puritans, the Evangelical Awakening preachers, and we could add John Wesley, George Whitefield, C.H. Spurgeon and many others. Living in the 'Bible belt' big deal. The USA is full of weak, shallow, worldly entertainment 'Christianity'.

[revholland1]

@thaxton74. Besides, you needed feel sorry for me. You're the one that doesn't know the Bible, theology, or church history. No, it really is I that feel sorry for you. Besides, God help us if people like you ever get into the pastorate. You, and people like you, who've never been changed by the Gospel, are filling the church with goats; or which I can see you are one. Keep on entertaining the goats, while Pastors like me will continuing feeding the sheep. Play in ur band, but stay away frm chrc

[thaxton74]

@revholland1 I agree with you I am most definitely not an expert. I am licsenced through an international denomination, I graduated from Bible College(lol i know these can be shaky) and have read all the dead guys u listed. You and I are brothers in christ, and for you to make such a judgement of my salvation based off a reply smells alittle funny. But seriously what will it accomplish If you and I argue on here nothing, so I apologize sir. So let me ask what i should have at first.

[revholland1]

@thaxton74. I wish you well in your preaching and ministry, and apologize too if my own comments come across as a bit brash and harsh. That's one of the problems of just sitting in front of a screen and typing away, as to a face to face discusion. Not against, by the way, a single instrument being used as a practical means to keep every one in tune and order, but is not part of worship. We worship with our voices. But if we go beyond that then we fall into entertainment etc.

[thaxton74]

@revholland1 Seriously, Im not being funny id like to know your opinion. From scripture how can you say instrument worship "should not" be used. Not that it wasn't. Simply what case can you make that they are not to be used?

[revholland1]

@thaxton74. That's okay because I never laughed. The NT is my basis for worship and not the OT sacrificial system which passed away when Christ died. Musical instruments were NOT used in the early church, that is a point of historical fact, and not my opinion. The reason is plainly given in the writings of the early apostolic and church fathers. instruments were connected with the OT temple and its worship which has now passed away, which is why we don't find them in the NT.

[zunetrex1]

whats the name of the song?

[iiiiiiiieee]

What Wondrous Love is This (with Ex Nihilo)

You can download it for free at marshillchurch (org)

[ambrosius]

I love those guys. They are so passionate about what they do.

[vrpinky22]

it's Ramshtain???

[davidbrucemusicvideo]

whoa! i can't believe this! this is way cool! this is how I envision worship should be!

[carpeyourmom]

Guys! Shh!!!  He's singing... Geez.

[grclassics]

stmcgarret. curious where you did your training in historical theology. I'm not sure where you gather data to support your claims about music, especially as it pertains to Mars Hill. You have zero basis to say that hymns and spiritual songs equate to the Psalms. No serious scholar supports that claim. But maybe you're not saying that. Am I off?

[stmcgarret]

Last, the reason why the translations caused a stir is because Rome locked the Word for 100's of years in a tongue (Latin) no one but her priests knew. Thus, they had absolute power to create a "church" with a form of worship and doctrine foreign to the Bible. But, because no one could read the Word, Rome could do as she willed and no one challenged her. This all changed when Wycliff, Tyndale and others gave the people the Word dealing a mortal blow to papal Rome and her anti-Biblical system.

[stmcgarret]

A mortal blow because the people started reading the Bible and could not find the leaven of incense, the alter, the Mass, priests, instruments, vestments, the confessional, indulgences, etc. in the NT church. And as they read and believed, they started to purge out this leaven that leavened the lump during the dark ages of Rome's worldwide domination. This is what began the Protestant church; protesting Rome and her leaven as the people desired a pure church based on God's will and not man's.

[Lessthanjakebb22]

Sir, I am impressed with your knowledge the church. I really am.. It is cool. But the worst thing a person can do in the realm of being a Christian is lose sight of the fact that God calls us into relationship. When Jesus came, we see that he makes fun of the pharisees. their faith went nowhere past abiding by the law. Jesus calls us into a relationship. So that we might see God as our Friend/Father. Before jesus, we lives for the law, now we live for jesus and his love. its simple.

[snotster]

Its funny the way every thing gets back to Rome with over confident, patronising traditionalistic, moralistic, proud fundamentalists!!!!

I respect you if you wish to sing only Psalms from the KJv with no music. Maybe you should show some respect to your fellow brothers who do not?

You seem to be more concerned about worship style that what worship is, hench why you critisesed this video. (P.S it sounds nothing like NIN!)

[stmcgarret]

Tragic that this is called worship of God. You might as well be at a NIN concert. This is the offering of Cain and regardless of how sincere one is in giving it, it will not be accepted as it is not according to the pattern in the NT which is the singing of Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs (all from the Psalter as one can easily prove from church history and the Word) where melody is to be made on the heart. Repent for "...if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door."

[snotster]

tragic that you seem to be so judgemental, and how you wish to limit your definition of worship to you own traditionalism.

[stmcgarrett]

No - I limit my worship by the Scriptures which is the only ruler to Biblical worship. Everything else is leaving the faith once delivered unto the saints and creating man's religion per his whims. No different from Roman Catholicism for if you believe man can create "worship" per his will and not Scripture, than you are on your way to Rome. This is how the RC "church" got started - just a little leaven which eventually leavened the whole lump.

[hehas100]

dud shutup, you know nothing. Rome?? Give me a break, stop with your legestic views. Let people worship how they want.

[stmcgarret]

Wonderful way to address me. Legalistic is the word you are looking for; amazing how this is always quotes when someone wants to hold to the Scriptures and not the imaginations of man. You offer no Scripture, nothing, just your opinion. And actually it does matter - it matters a lot. Remember the offering of Cain - did God accept it? Did God accept the offering of Nadab and Abihu? No he did not. Jesus said we are to obey his commands for this is a mark of his disciples.

[Lessthanjakebb22]

sir, your legalistic views on worship is disgusting. Your faith is rooted in religion and not in Christ Jesus who died for the sinners of the world. Your religious practices are but dirty rags to Jesus. read the bible, not tradition.

[stmcgarret]

Amazing - those who label someone who holds to the Scriptural pattern alone are labeled legalistic, and those who create man-made worship found no where in the NT church are called defenders of the faith. So Jake - we are not to hold to the pattern Jesus gave to Paul? We can create worship as we want per our fancy and culture? We can do whatever we want being a law unto ourselves? IS that what you believe? You believe Catholic's worship God correctly? Have any problems with the Mass?

[Lessthanjakebb22]

Catholics have problems of their own, though founded on good principals, Catholicism has been changed by society over the years. For the record, I am protestant. I hold that the most important thing in worship is loving God and my neighbors. Being from seattle, this music you are hearing, is fulfilling both. also when i say God? I mean the God of Jacob, The God that flooded our world, and The Living spirit who lives and breathes through the members of MCH during worship.

[stmcgarret]

Yes, Catholics have problems that are the same the Pharisees had in Jesus' day. Those being that they started w/ the Word of God and His commands but deviated in adding & taking away so that they made the word of God of none effect through their traditions of men. This is simply the point I am trying to make that when a little leaven is accepted the whole lump eventually becomes leavened. Rome did not pop up over night; it took centuries of deviation that eventually created what we see today.

[Lessthanjakebb22]

Do you enjoy reading the Bible? This was made possible when Martin Luther translated the Bible into the vernacular. Vernacular, meaning the language of the common people. This was radical for the time. Reformation of the church into something more suitable for its time. I feel that this is something we are seeing with the emergent churches such as Mars Hill. Just as NT church works for you, because it is what you are comfortable with. this is comfort from God to a new generation of believers.

[stmcgarret]

I would not call translation radical as the Word was translated centuries before. i.e. Hebrew into Greek Septuagint. During the NT the scriptures were translated into many langs including Syrian, Latin, etc. The Words stayed the same as did the commands; only the tongue changed. Comfort never has anything to do with obedience because doing God's will in taking up a cross daily is not comfortable. We have no more license to change God's pattern today than the OT Jews or the Catholics did.

[stmcgarret]

2ndly the Reformation was an attempt to return to the Scriptures alone for worship and doctrine and to purge out the leaven of Catholicism. Luther did not go all the way as the people were wedded to the apostasy of Rome but it was a step in the right direction. Calvin, Knox and others took it farther where they removed instruments and returned to the singing of the Psalms. All not to setup a new style as emergent and MH is doing to make people comfortable, but to hold to the Scriptures alone.

[hehas100]

you know nothing about christian worship. Because it does not matter the form, but whether the words are Christ center

[stmcgarret]

Such a disrespectful and arrogant way to address me. Legalistic; amazing how this is always quoted when someone is help accountable to the Scriptures and not their opinion or the imaginations of men. Here, you offer no Scripture, nothing, just your opinion. And actually it does matter; it matters a lot. Remember the offering of Cain - did God accept it? Did God accept the offering of Nadab and Abihu? No he did not. Jesus said we are to obey his commands for this is a mark of his disciples.

[stmcgarret]

that is "held" accountable.

[hehas100]

Why Should I show respect someone who has no idea what he is talking about. The offering if Cain, what in the world does that have to do with worship. It's radicals like you that keep the Kingdom from advancing. If your going to use scripture, don't twist it, you radical.

[stmcgarret]

Nothing to do with worship??? Amazing - that is why sacrifices were offered!!! Read the Scriptures and study them. You really do not know what you are saying. Your line of reasoning is what created the whore known as the Roman Catholic religion. Study history - it will do you well to learn. Radical - yes - to worship according to the Scriptures alone is radical in our day, very radical.

[hehas100]

Worship according to Scripture? David had all shorts of instruments, NT speaking in tongues. I don't base my views on Chruch history. You are just like Pensacola Christian College. They preach againist having a beat in your music, but they don't give a lick about Salvation. They assume everybody to be saved. People like you and them just care about their own tradation that has been man created.

[stmcgarret]

Old Covenant - Study the book of Hebrews. Those were shadows for the fleshy people that pointed towards Christ. If you use the OT to justify your worship, they you might as well add incense, sacrifices, priests, etc. Plus, only the Levites played instruments and sang. Are you following that pattern? Actually, you have the tradition of man not me. The NT church worshiped sans instruments according to the synagogue model where they sang psalms. That is FACT.

[stmcgarret]

It is ironic you say I'm following the tradition! Not so. What I share is what the NT church under Paul, Peter, James and John did. You have the tradition which came from Rome. They added the instruments and all other forms of disobedience. You spurn history but if you study it you would find your arguments are based on knee jerk reactions and not fact. Also, did Paul give a lick about salvation when he rebuked the church in Corinth for not following the pattern for worship he delivered?

[foodefight]

To the poster- is this from Easter? Which service? My husband and I were at the 7 (now our "usual" service) and it was AMAZING. We love Pastor Tim and Ex Nihilo!

[DrewboyMeyers]

Nice...

[Unashamed2]

Wow. That is a pretty suhweet song...

[mutantboy777]

full string section with feedback guitars?! nice

[mutantboy777]

wow awesome