@clubpenguinsux1 well she and true Christians don't preach "religion" We preach the word of God, which we know and believe to be true! No religion just faith in Jesus Christ!
Unborn children not dead, what's next? Why would I be mad at something that doesn't exist, I am only mad at nutjobs cancer that makes them believe in the god thing, it's a disease, like cancer. I don't hate the breast cancer victim just the cancer.
First stop quoting from the Hebrew Bible that Christianity usurped, it's pathetic. But if you must, quote Psalm 22, beause if the god thing forsook Jesus on the cross, what makes you think he won't forsake you?
If you don't remember not existing prior to the womb, you won't remember when you don't exist again. And yes, I know where I'm going when I die, in an urn, and guess what?, I won't know it.
has he called you?, that's amazing, because the last time I checked, this god thing has never been proven to exist, what phone line does he have dialed into you, please enlighten us heathens before it's too late, LOL.
It is so true that God's Will doesn't always get done. Otherwise All would come to the saving knowledge that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and noone can come to the father without that belief in Him. I thank my God for opening my eyes and calling me to know and Love Him. He calls us but do we open our hearts to Him or do we hate Him with all our hearts? Too many athiests have set our trying to disprove God's truth and found truth. Praise Him forever. The GREAT I AM!
You know Paul was on his way to damascus and it took God knocking him off his dunky in order to see the light. Beth, your page is doing that, bringing light in the midst of darkness. If it wasn't so then again there wouldn't be any opposition. When it is all said and done, God's Word is sharper than any two-edged tongue. :)
Christ was hated by many but in the end...There's NO god like Jehovah God. Behold He comes. God visit this man like you did Paul and forgive him for he knows not what he is doing.
Are you referring to this verse by Paul? " For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? " (Rom. 3.7)
nogogma, you cannot take one line out of the Bible and say it means something, It depends on who said it, and what the Whole verse is about. Paul says further up, that he is using a" human argument" .He means if all OUR lies,and his own (as humans do constantly, to justyfy themselves and their agenda), makes Gods truthfullness more apparrent, some people will then say, why then, am I am I being judged.People always makes excuses and lie, God does not.
All people including Christians lie and make excuses, but when I realised how huge and powerful God is, I realised He calls the shots, not me. I am pleased with my choice. I hope you are with yours. I prefer to listen to truth, so all I am doing is pointing out how ALL you God haters twist things. What I do not understand is why .If there is no God,nothing matters,so why do you even care what I think or believe.
Ok I am not going to go on and on over this, but to be honest, you are the one without logic, How can you possibly say God does not exist, that is impossible for anyone(even ALL the biggest brains in the world combined) cannot be sure of that. It is totally illogical and arogant to think you know everything. The ability to be wrong, is how we all learn, obviously you do not need to learn anything, as you know it all already.
I'm referring to the God in the bible. He doesn't exist. It's not a real God just like the Gods of all revealed religions are not real Gods. They are all invented by humans. That's why you will never find God. God is not part of reality. And you my friend are not dealing with reality or logic. You have been brainwashed into believing in an idea that's not even there and goes no further than your brain.
I agree we are brainwashed, by everything today, in religion as well. Especially the media. Our ignorance is their strength. Having said that, I have not been brainwashed by anyone. I have followed the evidence for many many years before making my choice.Most Christians have done the same. It is the secular worldview that we are brainwashed, no we are not.
Its like me saying you dont exist, cause I cant see you. If I took 1million $ and hid it in my garden, you could dig up that whole garden, and miss it and say it is not there, well it is, you just havent looked in the right place. Have you looked in every corner of the universe for God. Apparently yes. That is my point. It is impossibly to know, yet you apparently do. LOL. I really have not got the time to flog dead horses. I am out of here. Hope some other fool comes and debates you soon.
""""" Have you looked in every corner of the universe for God. """""
Thanks for making my point. Maybe you should ponder this as you're eating and stuffing your face today with roasted turkey and stuffing. Maybe it will engage the brain tissues inside your head to the point where you will start questioning the so called God in the bible you believe exists out there somewhere and realize man invented such a stupid God.
If you think you could get 40+ writers to write 66 books today, even with computers , to be so amazing, I do not think so. Besides that, the historical aspect of the Bible is unparralled in any other old historical books, It was written by eyewitnesses who died for what they believed in. Nobody dies for things they know are false.Lots of things have been made up by man, I agree, but NOT the Bible .
""""" Lots of things have been made up by man, I agree, but NOT the Bible . " """"
If God is so powerful why would he need to write a book that he knew in his Omniscience fallible humans would make all kinds of errors? Let's face it. I've used this argument before when I was a xian years ago. It's bogus and it's also very obvious you haven't read the bible very closely and critically. Eyewittnesses? what are there names? You've been duped my friend.
"If God is so powerful why would he need to write a book..." Why is it faith/trust is valued in everything except the Bible?the acronym for B.I.B.L.E is Basic, Instructions, Before, Leaving, Earth. It requires, open minded soul searching reason etc, not easy I agree.The basic story line is incredible and deep, no flashy stuff cut to the bone reality.Life changing truth.
Eyewitnesses? Mathew Mark Luke and John. They were his diciples, that walked and talked with Jesus.Whos duped?
"you haven't read the bible very closely" with every word you write you prove, all you do is google other atheists for your opinion, HEARSAY, does never stand up to true research and FACT.
Sorry no way you could have been a Christian, once you have done all the research etc etc and made up your mind nothing could ever change that.
I say you google as every one of you(you are not the first) is exactly the same, they know it all, think everyone is stupid brainwashed dupedand less intelligent than them, all were Christians before they saw the light,misquote the Bible or twist it.Also all are obssed with something they should not care about, what others believe.
You're not a Christian either. Do you pick up deadly snakes, drink deadly substances and give all your money to the poor as Jesus commands you to do? If you don't, then, you are not a Xtian either. Welcome to the club.
Don't forget, take a three year road trip, never marry, abstain from sin(whatever), find twelve guys who want to play Don Quixote's Sancho, never render to Caesar, relish expensive perfume baths, and try and change the thinking of your parent's beliefs. Pure absurdity.
Google is a bit different than having access to some dusty archive that some nutjob theologians call canonical, Google attempts to be democratic and that's huge when trying to find out truth. Theocracy is never a good thing, period
Google is written by people( trying to make money etc brainwash etc etc) just like the Bible,it is written by people, so why is one good and the other not? At least be consistent, All books are written by people, why is only the Bible said to be wrong. History is all one sided as well, how do we know anything is true?
I have read it very closely, why don't you take on me you moral imbecile?, that claims worshipping in a vile and vulgar death and blood cult of superstition is a good thing.
Wrong again, Hitler was influenced by Darwin, Survival of the fittest, take what I can, do what I like, etc, why not, if there is no God, He was right. Like all evil, it has to hide behind something, what better place to hide evil, by" saying" you believe in God, or in a church (many many still do) Hitler was a racist god hater, ands only thought of himself. You guys never ever get anything right ,do you?
Wrong? Hello what were the Hebrews? Survival of the chosen, talk about racist and thinking of only themselves. God hide behind the Pharaoh's heart, so that he could slaughter Egyptian firstborns and celebrate with Passover later on, who is EVIL?
If you say the bible has no contradictions then, you are either being dishonest or you haven't really read your bible very closely or critically or maybe you just have a fear that God might strike you with some strange form of the flu or something. Show your self approved to what? In other words, don't question the bible is what it's really saying. Because to do so would be blasphemy and sin. To question the bible is to question God and that means you're doubting God.
Well, see you missed the whole point of my response. Why don't you read the Bible? Oh and yes, I do read the Bible and love it. I love the God of the Bible. Don't question the Bible? He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes. He who doesn't is a fool forever. No, God is not scared of your questions. What question do you have? Knock and you will find. Ask and it will be given to you. Even wisdom, which He gives freely.
I'm glad you mentioned the words of Jesus, ask and it will be given to you etc, etc. Why dont you ask Jesus to appear to you then? If he appears to you, I will renounce my atheism in a NY minute. Keep me posted. However, if He does not. You better realize something. He is just imaginary and exists no further than your brain.
Hey, have you read Lee Strobel's book "Case for Christ?" He WAS an atheist also, but is now a believer in Jesus. I must admit that I haven't finished the book, but you might want to read it. You keep me posted.
Let's face reality. God is the one who needs all the human beings to believe in him or else he will disappear from the face of this earth. Man invented every single God that exists today. Many have died out by now you know why? Many stopped believing in those foolish Gods. The Christian God is next. He will become just as obsolete as the rest. It's just that he is the most popular right now & has millions still indoctrinated into believing he actually exists when he does not.
Oh sweetie, and this is where you are wrong. The truth doesn't stop being the truth because you believe it or not. Just as sure as you are real, whether someone in Alaska or Hong Kong knows you, you don't cease to exist. God is not going anywhere. And one day, every knee is going to bow down to Him and every tongue will confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord. This you can bank on. I just choose to do so now, voluntarily. Sorry out of space.
"The truth doesn't stop being the truth because you believe it or not."
What you are referring to here whether you realize it or not has everything to do with things based on fact not belief and faith. Believing something to be true when there are no facts to substantiate it according to objective reality doesn't make it true. Such are the fables of what you believe in your primitive book called the bible and your mythological character Jesus. Nothing in your religion is based on reality.
Oh, we're not done yet? I tried, but you keep pulling me in. That's cool. Well thanks for the challenge and making me study. Hey isn't that how this started? Yes, faith is a part of it but so is fact. There is archaeological evidence discovered continuously to support the bible as well as writings from non-biblical sources. Mythological Jesus?! Not! You know, if you look for truth you will find it. Keep trying.
You are seriously confused. Fact & faith are opposed to each other. Faith is believing in what you don't know. That is not the same as fact that conforms with reality. You are misrepresenting truth and reality when you say they are the same which is so typical of Christianity. Get out your reliable dictionary and look up faith, fact, reality and reason before engaging in intelligent dialog. An example of something that is true. Gravity. It is fact. It is part of reality. No faith.
nogogma, I've read your post for about 4 months now. It's interesting how all you want to do is 'debate', rather pick a fight. You're not going to change the Christians' minds, and it's obvious they're not going to change yours.
You are absolutely correct. There is no way I'm going to be able to change the minds of Xtians and there is a good reason for that too. It's because they are afraid of the truth. However, there are many who are willing to at least admit they might be wrong and willing to question and doubt their superstitious beliefs in Christianity. Many are deconverting at an alarming rate too. Alarming for the Christian movement that is. Sooner or later it will be laughed out of existence.
If this God is so awesome, then why doesn't he stop hurricanes dead in their tracks eh? When this so called God starts taking such actions as that, then and only then will I and others begin to take notice. Until then, this god is either hiding in fear somewhere in the remotest parts of the universe or it doesn't even exist.
God will stop bad things on earth. I don't know when, butHe will,just because he hasn't yet, doesn't mean that he isn't ever going to. There is a time for everything. Can you take the breath you will take 10 mins from now-now? No,you can't, Just like everything God does has its perfect time.. God will end all evil on this earth. Just because he's not doing it when you would like Him to, doesn't mean he's not going to.
I wish you would trust now that he is going to restore his earth one day.
So what is god waiting for eh? We have hurricanes, earthquakes and tornadoes and all you can say is you don't know when he is going to stop them? It's because BibleGod is a myth. He doesn't even exist. You need to check your GDI. God Delusion Index .
The bible is ancient mythology born out of ignorance and superstition. You just don't have the courage to face that truth that's why you must desperately keep clinging to your babble thinking you're going to be sent to that amusement park in the sky: heaven. Well guess what? That doesn't exist either. BTW, I did believe in that fairy tale God just like you still do. I finally had the courage to see it for the lie it really is. Christianity is a lie and Jebbuz is myth too.
Who told you that, thats a lie straight from the pits of hell I don't need to face the truth.. I know the truth.. God is real! I don't listen to what people say.. I listen to what my heart says.... I know what I see.. I see the Power of God at work in human life every day.. He is real!
If your God is real then prove it. If this God is so powerful then why doesn't he or she or it stop hurricanes before they destroy and kill people. Your god is not real. Your god is fake just like all the other gods in the world that have a name. None of them exist past the human mind. They've all been invented.
He proves it himself, I don't have too! If you can't see God at work, or see him in his creation then, that is your own fault, that is the result of your own closed up mind and your hard heart.
He proves himself by letting people die from cancer; he proves himself everytime we see a hurricane a tornado or an earthquake destroy peoples lives and property. Yup, you're correct we see God in all these things. Makes perfect sense.
There is good and bad in everything.. why don't you start looking at some of the good things. half the sickness and disease and everything else that goes in this world was/is caused by the doings of man, not God. WE are destroying ourselves.
Beautiful blend between the OT & the NT? Let's see now ... hmmm, in the OT, we have a God who is a genocidal maniac and in the NT we have a God who created hell for those who do not bow down to Him. Yup, your correct, a very beautiful blend of insanity if I've ever seen it. Literal belief in the bible may cause serious brain disorders.
You are not seeing the whole picture.. you obviously have not read the whole Bible.
Yes, there are things about God that we can't comprehend. But he is real and Just as much as he gets angry, He is loving and full of mercy and grace for those that believe in Him.. Maybe if you just believed in Him, he would reveal Himself to you..
That's because God can't even be defined. That's why you can't comprehend him or her or whatever it is. So tell me, what is a God exactly and why do you think one exists? Opps did I say "think?" that's right you believe instead of think. Sorry.
also I want to say that.. things we wonder that out human minds can't really comprehend.. like God has always exsisted.. and how did God make this or that.. that was what I was talking about.. His Character can be defined is defined in the bible.. you can get to know him if you read it.
That's interesting. God gets angry? But I thought he was Omniscient. How can a God who knows everything, past present and future get angry? Anger has the element of surprise. I think you just described a human being and not an all-knowing creature. You actually just debunked the existence of your own God without even realizing you did. Isn't that amazing? But you'll still believe in this impossible being because you just don't have the courage to reject such a myth. BibleGod is that myth
Oh brother.. What does being Omnisicient have to do with anger? Oh please..I didn't just debunk anything.. if anything you just debunked your intelect... that is so dumb to say that anger has the elment of surprise so that proves God doesnt exsist because he gets angry! PuuhLEASE.. Umm also.. Of course I still believe.. I always will. and God isnt a creature He is a spirit He's only impossible in your mind.. not mine. I believe in God.. and I always will.
I didn't say that Omniscience has anything to do with anger. You're twisting this argument to fit your irrational, delusional beliefs. I said, a god who knows everything cannot possibly get angry. It already knows what has happened therefore cannot experience anger. You are the one who is missing the point. By the way you would probably still keep believing even if all the facts were presented before you that BibleGod is impossible. Biblegod is a fairy tale god invented by ignorant humans.
No I'm not twisting anything.. thats what you said.. you said I debunked God's exsistance because I said he gets angry. I am not missing any point. your point wasn't a good one. No one invented God-I believe in Him because I have seen his power at work in my life and the life of alot of other people.. with my own eyes. There is nothing out there not a person or any "fact" that would change my mind about it. God is real. If you just humble yoruself, you'll know it too.
That's the point. You have to believe in this God because there isn't any evidence for it's existence outside your mind and outside that primitive relic called the Bible. Something that is aware of everything does not get caught by surprise which is anger. Do you plan your anger or does something that happens you weren't expecting to happen piss you off eh? get the picture. Start thinking with your brain and not your heart eh.
You believe in talking snakes, the first human created from dirt and the woman from his rib, dead bodies coming back to life, virgins giving birth, a guy with a magic stick parts an ocean, God shows his ass to a guy on a mountain, food falling from the sky, a man walking on water un aided, food magically appearing out of nowhere from a few pieces of bread and fish and you're saying I sound ridiculous? if you believe in this shit then it is you who has the mind disorder, not me.
See my video on who are the real fools. If you believe in that book then you are the real fool. Beleif in that book depends on the ignorance of the people who read it and take it as literal truth. Therefore you are the real fool. It's so obvious too in all your comments so far. Almost laughable but really sad. All you are doing is insulting your own intelligence believing in such nonsense. You have been infected with the mind virus known as theistic fundamentalist belief.
No thanks..I don't need to see your video.. I'm done here.. I have no more time waste on this foolishness.. oh brother.. You have the most idiotic comments..
Oh and what business is it of yours what anyone else believes anyway? And why do you care? Its not like you have a heart full of love or anythign like it..all your comments have been ugly, mean and nasty. Its not like your looking out for the common good of mankind -- not by the rude nasty remarks you have made, so what is it? YOu just like to bash on people?
You have such a misconception about non theists you know that?
Hoping there is no God? And you said I sound ridiculous?
First there has to be evidence for a God for me to hope there isn't a God. And if God really did exist I wouldn't have to just believe it. I would "know". God isn't based on fact or reality. That's why it requires belief only. Stop believing and it will vanish immediately.
I can't stop believing.. its not human to stop believing.. everyone believes in something!! I would rather cease to exsist than to stop believing in something .. stop having hope and faith and love.. I wouldn't want to live if I couldn't have hope or faith.
There comes a time in our lives when we have to stop believing in things especially irrational things that make no sense. Things based on superstition as you've been believing for who knows how long. You stopped believing in Santa Claus when you were a child did you not? Same thing with fairy tales Gods invented by superstitious primitive human beings living in the Dark Ages. Christianity, religion and theism is the biggest scam ever to be perpetrated on the human mind ever.
I don't belive that at all .. I am sure there are some things that have been made up by man, I'm not saying that everything a Christian does is pure and required by God to do.. however.. that doesn't make God not real!! Even Christians make God into what they want him to be, fit him into their little God box.. ya know.. and I always run out of character space.. LOL
Man distorts God, and that makes him seem impossible to some people, like well you..
God is powerful all those things you listed, sure it sounds funny and ridiculous, but it also shows God's power.. only God could do those things.. that is why he is God.
I believe in God, I believe he created everything the good the bad and the ugly. All things are under him, the good the bad and the ugly.. Why he doesn't just show up and change things. I can't answer that, and I wont try to.
but I know some day he will, whether it be in our generation or not.. the day will come when He will decide that enough is enough.. and he'll show up and restore all things.
And you ask what he's waiting for, and my answer is still -- He's waiting for you to believe in Him.. :)
I'm not ashamed or afraid to say to an atheist that I believe in God. I don't care what you say back me, or tell me delluded I am. LOL that rolls of me like water on a freshly waxed car.. I believe in God and am very passionate about it just as much as you don't believe in God and are very passionate about it. So you say tomatoe I say tomato, lets call the whole thing off.. :)
Actually you can answer that if you would only use your intellect a little more and apply objective and critical thought to your irrational beliefs you will see that the God of the bible is not a real God at all. It is a God invented by superstitious, primitive human beings who feared the unknown world we live in and felt it was necessary to create a god in their own image. A God that is just imaginary and everything associated with the supernatural.
Well give me an example..If there is no supernatural.. what do you say to all those people out there that have experienced miracles, healings, and things that can't be explained by any scientific thing... how do you explain them.
What miracles and healings? Why don't you tell your so called God to eliminate cancer, right now eh? God ahead. See if he'll do that. Better yet why don't you tell him or her or it to go and visit all those children that are dying of Leukemia to get healed? Let's face it. You're imaginary Deity is non existent. He is a fake and a fraud. His existence depends on your extreme gullibility. Like I said KJROq, you have been so brainwashed that you are unable to tell truth from fiction.
No I do get it. You don't get it. Reality is what you don't get. You're the one living in a fantasy world. The fantasy world of the mind disorder known as fundamentalism. If you have literal belief in those things then it is you who has the problem and don't get it. Not me.
There's been to much evidence in my life for me not to believe in Jesus.. I'm a Christian..with good reason.. not because some pastor told me to be.. believe me that is so not the case.. and ya know what nogogma -- I LOVE BEING a Christian. and not ashamed..
Oh my. ... sweet heart, it doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to just believe in the unbelievable and the irrational. You have been sold a bill of goods when you surrendered your intellect to believe in what all those Xtian preachers told you. It's the biggest fraud and scam of all time. Christianity. It's got you so confused you can't even think straight about reality as opposed superstitious mind control. I really pity you. The mind is a terrible thing to waste on superstition.
So you have doubts about Christianity being true? That's a good start. But which god is it that you don't think is a fraud? There are plenty of Gods. Just name one. I'm sure there is a God you don't believe in right? That makes you an atheist too. Welcome to the club.
Let me make it clear.. I believe the bible -- and what it says.. what I mean is things that people believe that are not written in there.. I believe Jesus was born of virgin, God in human form, died and rose again for the sins of mankind and brought us back into communion with God.. I BELIEVE THAT.. alot of other junk beign taught out there.. I am sceptical about because its not in the bible.
which I know you will think that is just hideous of me LOL and i know you will now have a field day
Ok well for me there is only one true God. The God of the bible who created the heavens and the earth.. so hmmmmmmmm good question. LOL I suppose if I dont' believe in the other gods -- then to those people I would be an atheist. LOL never thought of that before..
I don't think there is anything more sicko then believing in a blood thirsty tyrant in the sky who brutally murders his own son for the sins of others. The God of the bible is a real sicko and a genocidal maniac
I didn't respond because i have to work for a living. My Un-Prayer for you is that you start applying logic and reason to those sick irrational biblical beliefs and to come back to the real world of common sense and start living a normal life again.
It sounds like you've been embittered and hurt by the "real world". You don't have to believe, but downing others for their decision to believe isn't cool. I guess a "normal life" to you is thinking that nothing exists past the tip of my nose. No thanks. Been there and done that. I prefer Christ. I smile more and have a happy, normal life:)
The "real world" is all we know for sure exists. So how can you assume something about me you don't even know a thing about? You assume the real world has hurt me because I don't believe in irrational ideas like the god in the bible or the imaginary Jesus that goes no further then not only your nose but no further then your brain. I'm happy too. Actually even happier since i said goodbye to the imaginary, mythological character in the bible named Jesus.
It's quite obvious there are a lot of things you haven't given much thought to.
The God of the bible is not a true God I keep telling you. It is a god invented in the image of men and it is full of contradictory attributes and characteristics. It's the picture of a being who makes a law not to kill but then turns around and kills thousands of innocent men, woman and innocent children. Don't you ever read your bible?
ya know, just because bad things happen, and innocent people die, and you can't understand why.. that doesnt mean God doesnt exsist. We have done this to ourselves, human hearts are full of hatred and evil. There is alot of sin and evil in the world, God hands us over to our own sins-he gives us what we want really.. and after a while unfortunately because of that people turn radically evil and innocent people get hurt by other people as a result. Dont you understand that?
- bad things happen to good innocent people, yes even children. Not because God is a tyrant, but because people turn evil. like my baby daughters death- Her death was probably caused by some chemical made by man that was in my food or in a utensil that I was eating off of, or who knows maybe in the water I was drinking, which they knew would cause birth defect or infant death but decided they cared more about getting rich more than the life of my daughter or any other life for that matter..
I have thought in depth about alot of things.. and it makes perfect sense to me,
God didn't murder his son. Jesus was God as a man. If your children were in trouble Wouldn't you take your child's place instead of letting your child take the punishment.
I don't see how this whole thing is so unbelieveable to you and foolish. it makes perfect sense to me from start to finish *shrug* and I know your gonna come back with some mean thing and I'll wonder why I ever bothered.
I don't care say waht you say that is mean, just don't say anything mean about my daughter. I'd appreciate that, but if you are truly heartless, you probably will. So we'll see here..
I would like to reccomend a book to you. It's called The Case For The Real Jesus by Lee Strobel. This former Atheist makes a convincing case through historical research and interviews with highly credentialed and respected experts. It's a great place to start for the skeptic.
What a joke Lee Strobel is ! you have to be kidding but I can see you are serious and that's really a shame and it just reveals your ignorance about this man. He was never a real atheist. He just thinks he was. If he was then someone must have given him some kind of brain surgery that eliminated the logical and rational thinking part of his brain in order for him to become a Christian. There is no way I could ever become a Xtian again. Unless given a lobotomy.
I said to you before .. and what I meant when I said Christianity might be a scam.. It kinda is.. I know that there are Christians out there that do have it all wrong.. some of them even scare me.. .. there is so much lunancy out there .. so many things dreamt up by delluded minds, in Christian circles. I am aware of the farce of alot of it..
I don't even want to say more, cause you will just shred it up in your athiest shredder..LOL
I'm not the one who is gullible enough to believe in the bible so it is you who is unable to tell reality from fantasy and obvious fairy tales. It's the virus of religious faith you've been infected with. The cure: reason.
I can answer it like this but, I can't give you an exact date on when God will return to restore the earth.. I do know, according to what the bible teaches an that it could be any day now.
so you see nogoma.. God makes perfect sense to me and is rational to me, just because He doesn't make sense o you .. doesn't mean that He doesn't make sense to me.. He does..
I can see your problem here. You are so brainwashed that you can't even tell truth from fantasy. You've been infected with the mind virus known as fundamentalist/biblical Christianity. But there is still hope for you. Apply excessive dosages of reason. Start out by daily reading of the essays and writings of Robert Ingersoll. Check back with me in about a month so we can examine your mind and see if you have come back to reality by then. You are beyond delusion. You are batshit crazy.
oh and here I thought you were getting nice.. and that we could have a nice little chat.. LOL
I knew you would begin to spew your vile crap again.. LOL why am I brainwashed and not you? OH I SEE YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWAHSED BY THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS!! LOL
No he was just a human being with a rational mind. Look him up. IF you have the courage to find out the truth. The truth that Christianity is a lie. BibleGod is a farce and Jebbus is a myth.
Actually no. I became an atheist when I really started to read the bible more closely. With more of an objective mind and critical thinking and skepticism. Vile crap? there is plenty of that in the bible. Just read it yourself instead of listening to all those nice selective passages by your favorite leader, Beth Moore.
oh please.. your comment about Beth Moore is lame..
And believe me, I don't just pick out what I want to hear .. I take the good with the bad.. I have had a really rough life you don't even know.. and I could list a million reasons why I shouldnt' believe in God.. I could hate him and be mad at him and not believe in Him..
but for what? Because I didnt understand something. .and things I didnt go my way..
Know what I think.. I think it was to hard for you to understand.. to much for you to even grasp.. so you refused it.. you decided it didnt make sense to you so you had to go find something easier to believe in.. like there is no God.. ahah.. there.. that explains it all.. its all made up.. fairytale.. that simple now.. .. you are the coward here, not me. You are to afraid to believe. To simple minded to believe.
I understand why you are an atheists.. Its to vast for you.. you can't see everything, can't understand everything, to much for your simple brain to handle..
Not believein in God is a copout.. not believing in God is for the small narrow minded people.. because its easier to not believe than it is to believe.
I really just love how you dodged around all the questions I asked you and never really answered any of them.. when they got to hot for you you responsed by typical intelectual come backs of name calling and insults.
ok as much as I want to end this conversation I can't I have to say this.. God desires people to believe in Him on their own. He would never force himself on anyone. Only Christians try to force him on people. God himself would never force himself on anyone. He reveals himself to us in many different ways.. anyone and everyone has the chance to believe. He wants people to believe in Him because they choose too, not because He has forced them too.
and nogoma -- Jesus really loves you whether you believe in him or not.. he's waiting for you to believe in Him... have a good life.. maybe I'll see ya someday.. :)
Religion is child abuse
clubpenguinsux1 5 months ago
@clubpenguinsux1 well she and true Christians don't preach "religion" We preach the word of God, which we know and believe to be true! No religion just faith in Jesus Christ!
purpletree11 4 months ago 2
@purpletree11 I completely agree.
ANGOLANALiKME 4 months ago
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clubpenguinsux1 5 months ago
True and she serve the one and the only Hot God.
aaa7bbb7 10 months ago
shes pretty hot
gracom1977 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
marvelstryfe 1 year ago
Which polytheistic spirit is that?
elvismilk 1 year ago
Which Jesus, the gospel creation, the Saul,Paul creation, or the Catholic Church creation?
elvismilk 1 year ago
Unborn children not dead, what's next? Why would I be mad at something that doesn't exist, I am only mad at nutjobs cancer that makes them believe in the god thing, it's a disease, like cancer. I don't hate the breast cancer victim just the cancer.
elvismilk 1 year ago
You don't know, but you do know, what is it?
elvismilk 1 year ago
So are you the god thing in reality?
elvismilk 1 year ago
And who do you know that has talked to this god thing?
elvismilk 1 year ago
This is the god thing that designed miscarriages because he loved the sanctity of life right?
elvismilk 1 year ago
First stop quoting from the Hebrew Bible that Christianity usurped, it's pathetic. But if you must, quote Psalm 22, beause if the god thing forsook Jesus on the cross, what makes you think he won't forsake you?
elvismilk 1 year ago
If you don't remember not existing prior to the womb, you won't remember when you don't exist again. And yes, I know where I'm going when I die, in an urn, and guess what?, I won't know it.
elvismilk 1 year ago
has he called you?, that's amazing, because the last time I checked, this god thing has never been proven to exist, what phone line does he have dialed into you, please enlighten us heathens before it's too late, LOL.
elvismilk 1 year ago
It is so true that God's Will doesn't always get done. Otherwise All would come to the saving knowledge that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and noone can come to the father without that belief in Him. I thank my God for opening my eyes and calling me to know and Love Him. He calls us but do we open our hearts to Him or do we hate Him with all our hearts? Too many athiests have set our trying to disprove God's truth and found truth. Praise Him forever. The GREAT I AM!
aphilbeck8 2 years ago
Praise God for all athesists persecuting Christians because they really want to know, otherwise they wouldn't care,
aphilbeck8 2 years ago
athiests
aphilbeck8 2 years ago
Third times a charm, ATHEISTS...
elvismilk 2 years ago
Beth Moore is delusional. She's got that "headlight in the deer's eye" look when she speaks. She's a loon.
nogogma 2 years ago
Nogogma, Faith is believing is what you cant see not know.
aphilbeck8 2 years ago
No, faith in Greek is "pistis" from its root word "pathos" which means persuasion. And faith can only be produced by the Holy Spirit. Gal 5:22
easilysaid 2 years ago
You know Paul was on his way to damascus and it took God knocking him off his dunky in order to see the light. Beth, your page is doing that, bringing light in the midst of darkness. If it wasn't so then again there wouldn't be any opposition. When it is all said and done, God's Word is sharper than any two-edged tongue. :)
BibleTeacher1 2 years ago
You know that you are on course with God when opposition comes. God Bless You Beth Moore. Keep doing what you doing.
BibleTeacher1 2 years ago
BT1;
Yea right. She's leading thousands astray from the only means for a person to grasp knowledge.
Reason.
nogogma 2 years ago
Christ was hated by many but in the end...There's NO god like Jehovah God. Behold He comes. God visit this man like you did Paul and forgive him for he knows not what he is doing.
BibleTeacher1 2 years ago
Paul the self appointed apostle who admits to lying and fraud to promote the big lie, Christianity:
" For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? " (Rom. 3.7)
nogogma 2 years ago
All you scoffers "misquote the Bible,the whole Time" You have not understood that verse at all.
claylon 2 years ago
Hey claylon;
Are you referring to this verse by Paul? " For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? " (Rom. 3.7)
What does it mean then?
nogogma 2 years ago
nogogma, you cannot take one line out of the Bible and say it means something, It depends on who said it, and what the Whole verse is about. Paul says further up, that he is using a" human argument" .He means if all OUR lies,and his own (as humans do constantly, to justyfy themselves and their agenda), makes Gods truthfullness more apparrent, some people will then say, why then, am I am I being judged.People always makes excuses and lie, God does not.
claylon 2 years ago
Clay;
" People always makes excuses and lie, God does not. "
Just like you and the majority of Xtians are continually making excuses for God. It's so obvious too.
nogogma 2 years ago
All people including Christians lie and make excuses, but when I realised how huge and powerful God is, I realised He calls the shots, not me. I am pleased with my choice. I hope you are with yours. I prefer to listen to truth, so all I am doing is pointing out how ALL you God haters twist things. What I do not understand is why .If there is no God,nothing matters,so why do you even care what I think or believe.
claylon 2 years ago
clay; Your logic (if you have any) is so twisted it's pathetic. As an atheist I can hardly bring myself to hate something that doesn't exist.
nogogma 2 years ago
Ok I am not going to go on and on over this, but to be honest, you are the one without logic, How can you possibly say God does not exist, that is impossible for anyone(even ALL the biggest brains in the world combined) cannot be sure of that. It is totally illogical and arogant to think you know everything. The ability to be wrong, is how we all learn, obviously you do not need to learn anything, as you know it all already.
claylon 2 years ago
clay;
I'm referring to the God in the bible. He doesn't exist. It's not a real God just like the Gods of all revealed religions are not real Gods. They are all invented by humans. That's why you will never find God. God is not part of reality. And you my friend are not dealing with reality or logic. You have been brainwashed into believing in an idea that's not even there and goes no further than your brain.
nogogma 2 years ago
I agree we are brainwashed, by everything today, in religion as well. Especially the media. Our ignorance is their strength. Having said that, I have not been brainwashed by anyone. I have followed the evidence for many many years before making my choice.Most Christians have done the same. It is the secular worldview that we are brainwashed, no we are not.
claylon 2 years ago
Its like me saying you dont exist, cause I cant see you. If I took 1million $ and hid it in my garden, you could dig up that whole garden, and miss it and say it is not there, well it is, you just havent looked in the right place. Have you looked in every corner of the universe for God. Apparently yes. That is my point. It is impossibly to know, yet you apparently do. LOL. I really have not got the time to flog dead horses. I am out of here. Hope some other fool comes and debates you soon.
claylon 2 years ago
""""" Have you looked in every corner of the universe for God. """""
Thanks for making my point. Maybe you should ponder this as you're eating and stuffing your face today with roasted turkey and stuffing. Maybe it will engage the brain tissues inside your head to the point where you will start questioning the so called God in the bible you believe exists out there somewhere and realize man invented such a stupid God.
nogogma 2 years ago
If you think you could get 40+ writers to write 66 books today, even with computers , to be so amazing, I do not think so. Besides that, the historical aspect of the Bible is unparralled in any other old historical books, It was written by eyewitnesses who died for what they believed in. Nobody dies for things they know are false.Lots of things have been made up by man, I agree, but NOT the Bible .
claylon 2 years ago
""""" Lots of things have been made up by man, I agree, but NOT the Bible . " """"
If God is so powerful why would he need to write a book that he knew in his Omniscience fallible humans would make all kinds of errors? Let's face it. I've used this argument before when I was a xian years ago. It's bogus and it's also very obvious you haven't read the bible very closely and critically. Eyewittnesses? what are there names? You've been duped my friend.
nogogma 2 years ago
"If God is so powerful why would he need to write a book..." Why is it faith/trust is valued in everything except the Bible?the acronym for B.I.B.L.E is Basic, Instructions, Before, Leaving, Earth. It requires, open minded soul searching reason etc, not easy I agree.The basic story line is incredible and deep, no flashy stuff cut to the bone reality.Life changing truth.
Eyewitnesses? Mathew Mark Luke and John. They were his diciples, that walked and talked with Jesus.Whos duped?
claylon 2 years ago
"when I was a xian years ago." You never were,
"you haven't read the bible very closely" with every word you write you prove, all you do is google other atheists for your opinion, HEARSAY, does never stand up to true research and FACT.
claylon 2 years ago
I was a Xtian just as much as you think you're a Xtian and I don't google other atheists to form my own opinions. What's with that?
nogogma 2 years ago
Sorry no way you could have been a Christian, once you have done all the research etc etc and made up your mind nothing could ever change that.
I say you google as every one of you(you are not the first) is exactly the same, they know it all, think everyone is stupid brainwashed dupedand less intelligent than them, all were Christians before they saw the light,misquote the Bible or twist it.Also all are obssed with something they should not care about, what others believe.
claylon 2 years ago
You're not a Christian either. Do you pick up deadly snakes, drink deadly substances and give all your money to the poor as Jesus commands you to do? If you don't, then, you are not a Xtian either. Welcome to the club.
nogogma 2 years ago
Shame, is that the best you can do.
claylon 2 years ago
Is that the best you can do? Let's face it. You're not a true Xtian either. You just think you are.
nogogma 2 years ago
Don't forget, take a three year road trip, never marry, abstain from sin(whatever), find twelve guys who want to play Don Quixote's Sancho, never render to Caesar, relish expensive perfume baths, and try and change the thinking of your parent's beliefs. Pure absurdity.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Google is a bit different than having access to some dusty archive that some nutjob theologians call canonical, Google attempts to be democratic and that's huge when trying to find out truth. Theocracy is never a good thing, period
elvismilk 2 years ago
Google is written by people( trying to make money etc brainwash etc etc) just like the Bible,it is written by people, so why is one good and the other not? At least be consistent, All books are written by people, why is only the Bible said to be wrong. History is all one sided as well, how do we know anything is true?
claylon 2 years ago
Hello, all I ask is to be able to decide what is canonical just like the people prior to me, I want the same basic right. Give that to me, ok?
elvismilk 2 years ago
I have read it very closely, why don't you take on me you moral imbecile?, that claims worshipping in a vile and vulgar death and blood cult of superstition is a good thing.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Just ask Hitler about dying for what is true, don't forget he modeled his world domination plan after JHWH's of the Bible.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Wrong again, Hitler was influenced by Darwin, Survival of the fittest, take what I can, do what I like, etc, why not, if there is no God, He was right. Like all evil, it has to hide behind something, what better place to hide evil, by" saying" you believe in God, or in a church (many many still do) Hitler was a racist god hater, ands only thought of himself. You guys never ever get anything right ,do you?
claylon 2 years ago
Wrong? Hello what were the Hebrews? Survival of the chosen, talk about racist and thinking of only themselves. God hide behind the Pharaoh's heart, so that he could slaughter Egyptian firstborns and celebrate with Passover later on, who is EVIL?
elvismilk 2 years ago
pointless dicussion
claylon 2 years ago
Just like your god thing, pointless.
elvismilk 2 years ago
i believe inoculating the sheeple from intelligence would apply to this crock of shit video
MrMilagroqq 2 years ago
Why do you think we have Reason?
claylon 2 years ago
I took the original study and enjoyed it. I look forward to this new and exciting study.
ogermaine 2 years ago
Isn't the term: " Bible Study " an oxymoron?
nogogma 2 years ago
Actually no it not contradictory at all. In fact the Bible tells us to "study to show yourself approved..."
phxtransplant 2 years ago
If you say the bible has no contradictions then, you are either being dishonest or you haven't really read your bible very closely or critically or maybe you just have a fear that God might strike you with some strange form of the flu or something. Show your self approved to what? In other words, don't question the bible is what it's really saying. Because to do so would be blasphemy and sin. To question the bible is to question God and that means you're doubting God.
nogogma 2 years ago
Well, see you missed the whole point of my response. Why don't you read the Bible? Oh and yes, I do read the Bible and love it. I love the God of the Bible. Don't question the Bible? He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes. He who doesn't is a fool forever. No, God is not scared of your questions. What question do you have? Knock and you will find. Ask and it will be given to you. Even wisdom, which He gives freely.
phxtransplant 2 years ago
I'm glad you mentioned the words of Jesus, ask and it will be given to you etc, etc. Why dont you ask Jesus to appear to you then? If he appears to you, I will renounce my atheism in a NY minute. Keep me posted. However, if He does not. You better realize something. He is just imaginary and exists no further than your brain.
nogogma 2 years ago
Hey, have you read Lee Strobel's book "Case for Christ?" He WAS an atheist also, but is now a believer in Jesus. I must admit that I haven't finished the book, but you might want to read it. You keep me posted.
phxtransplant 2 years ago
I tried to read it. It's bullshit. He was never a true atheist. A true atheist would never become a Christian. Unless they had a lobotomy.
nogogma 2 years ago
Oh you are hysterical. Well, ok. You have a good day. I think I'll just bow out of this one now.
phxtransplant 2 years ago
phxtrans;
Let's face reality. God is the one who needs all the human beings to believe in him or else he will disappear from the face of this earth. Man invented every single God that exists today. Many have died out by now you know why? Many stopped believing in those foolish Gods. The Christian God is next. He will become just as obsolete as the rest. It's just that he is the most popular right now & has millions still indoctrinated into believing he actually exists when he does not.
nogogma 2 years ago
Oh sweetie, and this is where you are wrong. The truth doesn't stop being the truth because you believe it or not. Just as sure as you are real, whether someone in Alaska or Hong Kong knows you, you don't cease to exist. God is not going anywhere. And one day, every knee is going to bow down to Him and every tongue will confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord. This you can bank on. I just choose to do so now, voluntarily. Sorry out of space.
phxtransplant 2 years ago
"The truth doesn't stop being the truth because you believe it or not."
What you are referring to here whether you realize it or not has everything to do with things based on fact not belief and faith. Believing something to be true when there are no facts to substantiate it according to objective reality doesn't make it true. Such are the fables of what you believe in your primitive book called the bible and your mythological character Jesus. Nothing in your religion is based on reality.
nogogma 2 years ago
Oh, we're not done yet? I tried, but you keep pulling me in. That's cool. Well thanks for the challenge and making me study. Hey isn't that how this started? Yes, faith is a part of it but so is fact. There is archaeological evidence discovered continuously to support the bible as well as writings from non-biblical sources. Mythological Jesus?! Not! You know, if you look for truth you will find it. Keep trying.
phxtransplant 2 years ago
You are seriously confused. Fact & faith are opposed to each other. Faith is believing in what you don't know. That is not the same as fact that conforms with reality. You are misrepresenting truth and reality when you say they are the same which is so typical of Christianity. Get out your reliable dictionary and look up faith, fact, reality and reason before engaging in intelligent dialog. An example of something that is true. Gravity. It is fact. It is part of reality. No faith.
nogogma 2 years ago
nogogma, I've read your post for about 4 months now. It's interesting how all you want to do is 'debate', rather pick a fight. You're not going to change the Christians' minds, and it's obvious they're not going to change yours.
forchn81 2 years ago
You are absolutely correct. There is no way I'm going to be able to change the minds of Xtians and there is a good reason for that too. It's because they are afraid of the truth. However, there are many who are willing to at least admit they might be wrong and willing to question and doubt their superstitious beliefs in Christianity. Many are deconverting at an alarming rate too. Alarming for the Christian movement that is. Sooner or later it will be laughed out of existence.
nogogma 2 years ago
Nogogma, cannot come unless the Father draws him/her.
easilysaid 2 years ago
If this God is so awesome, then why doesn't he stop hurricanes dead in their tracks eh? When this so called God starts taking such actions as that, then and only then will I and others begin to take notice. Until then, this god is either hiding in fear somewhere in the remotest parts of the universe or it doesn't even exist.
nogogma 3 years ago
God will stop bad things on earth. I don't know when, butHe will,just because he hasn't yet, doesn't mean that he isn't ever going to. There is a time for everything. Can you take the breath you will take 10 mins from now-now? No,you can't, Just like everything God does has its perfect time.. God will end all evil on this earth. Just because he's not doing it when you would like Him to, doesn't mean he's not going to.
I wish you would trust now that he is going to restore his earth one day.
KJRoq 3 years ago
So what is god waiting for eh? We have hurricanes, earthquakes and tornadoes and all you can say is you don't know when he is going to stop them? It's because BibleGod is a myth. He doesn't even exist. You need to check your GDI. God Delusion Index .
nogogma 3 years ago
GDI is nothing to me.. B-i-b-l-e is everything. God is waiting for you to believe in Him..
KJRoq 3 years ago
The bible is ancient mythology born out of ignorance and superstition. You just don't have the courage to face that truth that's why you must desperately keep clinging to your babble thinking you're going to be sent to that amusement park in the sky: heaven. Well guess what? That doesn't exist either. BTW, I did believe in that fairy tale God just like you still do. I finally had the courage to see it for the lie it really is. Christianity is a lie and Jebbuz is myth too.
nogogma 3 years ago
Who told you that, thats a lie straight from the pits of hell I don't need to face the truth.. I know the truth.. God is real! I don't listen to what people say.. I listen to what my heart says.... I know what I see.. I see the Power of God at work in human life every day.. He is real!
KJRoq 3 years ago
If your God is real then prove it. If this God is so powerful then why doesn't he or she or it stop hurricanes before they destroy and kill people. Your god is not real. Your god is fake just like all the other gods in the world that have a name. None of them exist past the human mind. They've all been invented.
nogogma 3 years ago
He proves it himself, I don't have too! If you can't see God at work, or see him in his creation then, that is your own fault, that is the result of your own closed up mind and your hard heart.
KJRoq 3 years ago
He proves himself by letting people die from cancer; he proves himself everytime we see a hurricane a tornado or an earthquake destroy peoples lives and property. Yup, you're correct we see God in all these things. Makes perfect sense.
nogogma 3 years ago
There is good and bad in everything.. why don't you start looking at some of the good things. half the sickness and disease and everything else that goes in this world was/is caused by the doings of man, not God. WE are destroying ourselves.
KJRoq 3 years ago
Beautiful blend between the OT & the NT? Let's see now ... hmmm, in the OT, we have a God who is a genocidal maniac and in the NT we have a God who created hell for those who do not bow down to Him. Yup, your correct, a very beautiful blend of insanity if I've ever seen it. Literal belief in the bible may cause serious brain disorders.
nogogma 3 years ago
You are not seeing the whole picture.. you obviously have not read the whole Bible.
Yes, there are things about God that we can't comprehend. But he is real and Just as much as he gets angry, He is loving and full of mercy and grace for those that believe in Him.. Maybe if you just believed in Him, he would reveal Himself to you..
KJRoq 3 years ago
That's because God can't even be defined. That's why you can't comprehend him or her or whatever it is. So tell me, what is a God exactly and why do you think one exists? Opps did I say "think?" that's right you believe instead of think. Sorry.
nogogma 3 years ago
Read the bible it defines God.
KJRoq 3 years ago
also I want to say that.. things we wonder that out human minds can't really comprehend.. like God has always exsisted.. and how did God make this or that.. that was what I was talking about.. His Character can be defined is defined in the bible.. you can get to know him if you read it.
KJRoq 3 years ago
That's interesting. God gets angry? But I thought he was Omniscient. How can a God who knows everything, past present and future get angry? Anger has the element of surprise. I think you just described a human being and not an all-knowing creature. You actually just debunked the existence of your own God without even realizing you did. Isn't that amazing? But you'll still believe in this impossible being because you just don't have the courage to reject such a myth. BibleGod is that myth
nogogma 3 years ago
Oh brother.. What does being Omnisicient have to do with anger? Oh please..I didn't just debunk anything.. if anything you just debunked your intelect... that is so dumb to say that anger has the elment of surprise so that proves God doesnt exsist because he gets angry! PuuhLEASE.. Umm also.. Of course I still believe.. I always will. and God isnt a creature He is a spirit He's only impossible in your mind.. not mine. I believe in God.. and I always will.
KJRoq 3 years ago
I didn't say that Omniscience has anything to do with anger. You're twisting this argument to fit your irrational, delusional beliefs. I said, a god who knows everything cannot possibly get angry. It already knows what has happened therefore cannot experience anger. You are the one who is missing the point. By the way you would probably still keep believing even if all the facts were presented before you that BibleGod is impossible. Biblegod is a fairy tale god invented by ignorant humans.
nogogma 3 years ago
No I'm not twisting anything.. thats what you said.. you said I debunked God's exsistance because I said he gets angry. I am not missing any point. your point wasn't a good one. No one invented God-I believe in Him because I have seen his power at work in my life and the life of alot of other people.. with my own eyes. There is nothing out there not a person or any "fact" that would change my mind about it. God is real. If you just humble yoruself, you'll know it too.
KJRoq 3 years ago
That's the point. You have to believe in this God because there isn't any evidence for it's existence outside your mind and outside that primitive relic called the Bible. Something that is aware of everything does not get caught by surprise which is anger. Do you plan your anger or does something that happens you weren't expecting to happen piss you off eh? get the picture. Start thinking with your brain and not your heart eh.
nogogma 3 years ago
Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
You believe in talking snakes, the first human created from dirt and the woman from his rib, dead bodies coming back to life, virgins giving birth, a guy with a magic stick parts an ocean, God shows his ass to a guy on a mountain, food falling from the sky, a man walking on water un aided, food magically appearing out of nowhere from a few pieces of bread and fish and you're saying I sound ridiculous? if you believe in this shit then it is you who has the mind disorder, not me.
nogogma 3 years ago
LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
Ok if anger as the element of surprise is your arugment that there is no god then you really are a fool!
KJRoq 3 years ago
See my video on who are the real fools. If you believe in that book then you are the real fool. Beleif in that book depends on the ignorance of the people who read it and take it as literal truth. Therefore you are the real fool. It's so obvious too in all your comments so far. Almost laughable but really sad. All you are doing is insulting your own intelligence believing in such nonsense. You have been infected with the mind virus known as theistic fundamentalist belief.
nogogma 3 years ago
No thanks..I don't need to see your video.. I'm done here.. I have no more time waste on this foolishness.. oh brother.. You have the most idiotic comments..
KJRoq 3 years ago
Oh and what business is it of yours what anyone else believes anyway? And why do you care? Its not like you have a heart full of love or anythign like it..all your comments have been ugly, mean and nasty. Its not like your looking out for the common good of mankind -- not by the rude nasty remarks you have made, so what is it? YOu just like to bash on people?
KJRoq 3 years ago
I actually believe in more than a book -- I wonder where you get all your ideas and beliefs from? a book perhaps?
KJRoq 3 years ago
oh maybe it all came from your own mind..
or maybe you got it all from a video or somethign someone esle said..
hmmmmmmmmmm where do get your ideas and beliefs from hUH?
KJRoq 3 years ago
Dont you ever hope in anything?
Don't you ever have faith for something?
I bet you are hoping that there really isn't a God.. LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
You have such a misconception about non theists you know that?
Hoping there is no God? And you said I sound ridiculous?
First there has to be evidence for a God for me to hope there isn't a God. And if God really did exist I wouldn't have to just believe it. I would "know". God isn't based on fact or reality. That's why it requires belief only. Stop believing and it will vanish immediately.
nogogma 3 years ago
You are right, its not like I study what it is to be a non theists or whatever..
well what do you hope in? God or not.. don't you have faith for something, hope for something?
KJRoq 3 years ago
I can't stop believing.. its not human to stop believing.. everyone believes in something!! I would rather cease to exsist than to stop believing in something .. stop having hope and faith and love.. I wouldn't want to live if I couldn't have hope or faith.
KJRoq 3 years ago
There comes a time in our lives when we have to stop believing in things especially irrational things that make no sense. Things based on superstition as you've been believing for who knows how long. You stopped believing in Santa Claus when you were a child did you not? Same thing with fairy tales Gods invented by superstitious primitive human beings living in the Dark Ages. Christianity, religion and theism is the biggest scam ever to be perpetrated on the human mind ever.
nogogma 3 years ago
I don't belive that at all .. I am sure there are some things that have been made up by man, I'm not saying that everything a Christian does is pure and required by God to do.. however.. that doesn't make God not real!! Even Christians make God into what they want him to be, fit him into their little God box.. ya know.. and I always run out of character space.. LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
Man distorts God, and that makes him seem impossible to some people, like well you..
God is powerful all those things you listed, sure it sounds funny and ridiculous, but it also shows God's power.. only God could do those things.. that is why he is God.
I believe in God, I believe he created everything the good the bad and the ugly. All things are under him, the good the bad and the ugly.. Why he doesn't just show up and change things. I can't answer that, and I wont try to.
KJRoq 3 years ago
but I know some day he will, whether it be in our generation or not.. the day will come when He will decide that enough is enough.. and he'll show up and restore all things.
And you ask what he's waiting for, and my answer is still -- He's waiting for you to believe in Him.. :)
KJRoq 3 years ago
I'm not ashamed or afraid to say to an atheist that I believe in God. I don't care what you say back me, or tell me delluded I am. LOL that rolls of me like water on a freshly waxed car.. I believe in God and am very passionate about it just as much as you don't believe in God and are very passionate about it. So you say tomatoe I say tomato, lets call the whole thing off.. :)
KJRoq 3 years ago
Actually you can answer that if you would only use your intellect a little more and apply objective and critical thought to your irrational beliefs you will see that the God of the bible is not a real God at all. It is a God invented by superstitious, primitive human beings who feared the unknown world we live in and felt it was necessary to create a god in their own image. A God that is just imaginary and everything associated with the supernatural.
nogogma 3 years ago
Well give me an example..If there is no supernatural.. what do you say to all those people out there that have experienced miracles, healings, and things that can't be explained by any scientific thing... how do you explain them.
KJRoq 3 years ago
or even to people who have experienced evil things
KJRoq 3 years ago
What miracles and healings? Why don't you tell your so called God to eliminate cancer, right now eh? God ahead. See if he'll do that. Better yet why don't you tell him or her or it to go and visit all those children that are dying of Leukemia to get healed? Let's face it. You're imaginary Deity is non existent. He is a fake and a fraud. His existence depends on your extreme gullibility. Like I said KJROq, you have been so brainwashed that you are unable to tell truth from fiction.
nogogma 3 years ago
You so just don't get it do you?
KJRoq 3 years ago
No I do get it. You don't get it. Reality is what you don't get. You're the one living in a fantasy world. The fantasy world of the mind disorder known as fundamentalism. If you have literal belief in those things then it is you who has the problem and don't get it. Not me.
nogogma 3 years ago
I beg to differ..
There's been to much evidence in my life for me not to believe in Jesus.. I'm a Christian..with good reason.. not because some pastor told me to be.. believe me that is so not the case.. and ya know what nogogma -- I LOVE BEING a Christian. and not ashamed..
KJRoq 3 years ago
you are not inteligent at all.. you or any of your athiest cronies.
You dont' see the big picture.. YOu don't get it and thats why you don't believe, because you just don't get it.
KJRoq 3 years ago
Oh my. ... sweet heart, it doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to just believe in the unbelievable and the irrational. You have been sold a bill of goods when you surrendered your intellect to believe in what all those Xtian preachers told you. It's the biggest fraud and scam of all time. Christianity. It's got you so confused you can't even think straight about reality as opposed superstitious mind control. I really pity you. The mind is a terrible thing to waste on superstition.
nogogma 3 years ago
Well you know.. Christianity might be a scam.. but God isn't..
KJRoq 3 years ago
LOL sheehs.. I can't believe I said that.. LOL
I take that back..
KJRoq 3 years ago
So you have doubts about Christianity being true? That's a good start. But which god is it that you don't think is a fraud? There are plenty of Gods. Just name one. I'm sure there is a God you don't believe in right? That makes you an atheist too. Welcome to the club.
nogogma 3 years ago
Let me make it clear.. I believe the bible -- and what it says.. what I mean is things that people believe that are not written in there.. I believe Jesus was born of virgin, God in human form, died and rose again for the sins of mankind and brought us back into communion with God.. I BELIEVE THAT.. alot of other junk beign taught out there.. I am sceptical about because its not in the bible.
which I know you will think that is just hideous of me LOL and i know you will now have a field day
KJRoq 3 years ago
Let me reiterate this so you know.. -- I am not sceptical about Jesus at all or the Bible or God as creator of all things.
But alot of things being taught under the guise of Christianity.. YES I am sceptical about.
KJRoq 3 years ago
now lemme go make some coffee so I am ready for your thump.. LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
Ok well for me there is only one true God. The God of the bible who created the heavens and the earth.. so hmmmmmmmm good question. LOL I suppose if I dont' believe in the other gods -- then to those people I would be an atheist. LOL never thought of that before..
KJRoq 3 years ago
oh I'm surprised there is no reply.. well have a good day nogoma.. I'll be praying for you.. :)
KJRoq 3 years ago
oh is that you with the sunglasses on?
KJRoq 3 years ago
O my goodness you and your friends are sickos..
KJRoq 3 years ago
I don't think there is anything more sicko then believing in a blood thirsty tyrant in the sky who brutally murders his own son for the sins of others. The God of the bible is a real sicko and a genocidal maniac
nogogma 3 years ago
I didn't respond because i have to work for a living. My Un-Prayer for you is that you start applying logic and reason to those sick irrational biblical beliefs and to come back to the real world of common sense and start living a normal life again.
nogogma 3 years ago
It sounds like you've been embittered and hurt by the "real world". You don't have to believe, but downing others for their decision to believe isn't cool. I guess a "normal life" to you is thinking that nothing exists past the tip of my nose. No thanks. Been there and done that. I prefer Christ. I smile more and have a happy, normal life:)
hnb1113 2 years ago
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nogogma 2 years ago
The "real world" is all we know for sure exists. So how can you assume something about me you don't even know a thing about? You assume the real world has hurt me because I don't believe in irrational ideas like the god in the bible or the imaginary Jesus that goes no further then not only your nose but no further then your brain. I'm happy too. Actually even happier since i said goodbye to the imaginary, mythological character in the bible named Jesus.
nogogma 2 years ago
It's quite obvious there are a lot of things you haven't given much thought to.
The God of the bible is not a true God I keep telling you. It is a god invented in the image of men and it is full of contradictory attributes and characteristics. It's the picture of a being who makes a law not to kill but then turns around and kills thousands of innocent men, woman and innocent children. Don't you ever read your bible?
nogogma 3 years ago
ya know, just because bad things happen, and innocent people die, and you can't understand why.. that doesnt mean God doesnt exsist. We have done this to ourselves, human hearts are full of hatred and evil. There is alot of sin and evil in the world, God hands us over to our own sins-he gives us what we want really.. and after a while unfortunately because of that people turn radically evil and innocent people get hurt by other people as a result. Dont you understand that?
KJRoq 3 years ago
- bad things happen to good innocent people, yes even children. Not because God is a tyrant, but because people turn evil. like my baby daughters death- Her death was probably caused by some chemical made by man that was in my food or in a utensil that I was eating off of, or who knows maybe in the water I was drinking, which they knew would cause birth defect or infant death but decided they cared more about getting rich more than the life of my daughter or any other life for that matter..
KJRoq 3 years ago
That is not God's fault. But anyway, I am certain you have your mind made up and nothing i say will change it.
KJRoq 3 years ago
I have thought in depth about alot of things.. and it makes perfect sense to me,
God didn't murder his son. Jesus was God as a man. If your children were in trouble Wouldn't you take your child's place instead of letting your child take the punishment.
I don't see how this whole thing is so unbelieveable to you and foolish. it makes perfect sense to me from start to finish *shrug* and I know your gonna come back with some mean thing and I'll wonder why I ever bothered.
KJRoq 3 years ago
I don't care say waht you say that is mean, just don't say anything mean about my daughter. I'd appreciate that, but if you are truly heartless, you probably will. So we'll see here..
KJRoq 3 years ago
nogogma,
I would like to reccomend a book to you. It's called The Case For The Real Jesus by Lee Strobel. This former Atheist makes a convincing case through historical research and interviews with highly credentialed and respected experts. It's a great place to start for the skeptic.
hnb1113 2 years ago
What a joke Lee Strobel is ! you have to be kidding but I can see you are serious and that's really a shame and it just reveals your ignorance about this man. He was never a real atheist. He just thinks he was. If he was then someone must have given him some kind of brain surgery that eliminated the logical and rational thinking part of his brain in order for him to become a Christian. There is no way I could ever become a Xtian again. Unless given a lobotomy.
nogogma 2 years ago
I said to you before .. and what I meant when I said Christianity might be a scam.. It kinda is.. I know that there are Christians out there that do have it all wrong.. some of them even scare me.. .. there is so much lunancy out there .. so many things dreamt up by delluded minds, in Christian circles. I am aware of the farce of alot of it..
I don't even want to say more, cause you will just shred it up in your athiest shredder..LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
You are unable to tell the truth from fiction not me.
KJRoq 3 years ago
I'm not the one who is gullible enough to believe in the bible so it is you who is unable to tell reality from fantasy and obvious fairy tales. It's the virus of religious faith you've been infected with. The cure: reason.
Go for it.
If you have the courage to learn the truth.
nogogma 3 years ago
no you're not, you're gullible enough to believe in Mirta though.. LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
well nogoma, its been invigorating chatting with you.. but as you wish.. I need to get back to reality..
ciao
KJRoq 3 years ago
I can answer it like this but, I can't give you an exact date on when God will return to restore the earth.. I do know, according to what the bible teaches an that it could be any day now.
KJRoq 3 years ago
so you see nogoma.. God makes perfect sense to me and is rational to me, just because He doesn't make sense o you .. doesn't mean that He doesn't make sense to me.. He does..
KJRoq 3 years ago
I can see your problem here. You are so brainwashed that you can't even tell truth from fantasy. You've been infected with the mind virus known as fundamentalist/biblical Christianity. But there is still hope for you. Apply excessive dosages of reason. Start out by daily reading of the essays and writings of Robert Ingersoll. Check back with me in about a month so we can examine your mind and see if you have come back to reality by then. You are beyond delusion. You are batshit crazy.
nogogma 3 years ago
oh and here I thought you were getting nice.. and that we could have a nice little chat.. LOL
I knew you would begin to spew your vile crap again.. LOL why am I brainwashed and not you? OH I SEE YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWAHSED BY THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS!! LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
stop believein in your essays.. SO I see... Robert Ingersoll is your God.
KJRoq 3 years ago
No he was just a human being with a rational mind. Look him up. IF you have the courage to find out the truth. The truth that Christianity is a lie. BibleGod is a farce and Jebbus is a myth.
nogogma 3 years ago
its not jebbus its JESUS
KJRoq 3 years ago
What's the difference. He's just a myth anyway.
Did you ever hear of Mithra?
He was born of a virgin too. He also had 12 disciples, died on a cross and rose from the dead too.
He's was a pagan savior godman invented hundreds of years before Jebbuz, er, I mean Jesus was created or should I say reinvented from Mithra.
Jesus is fake just like the rest of what's in that primitive relic, the holly babble.
nogogma 3 years ago
oh please.. now you are breaking out the fairytales.. LOL
KJRoq 3 years ago
Actually no. I became an atheist when I really started to read the bible more closely. With more of an objective mind and critical thinking and skepticism. Vile crap? there is plenty of that in the bible. Just read it yourself instead of listening to all those nice selective passages by your favorite leader, Beth Moore.
nogogma 3 years ago
oh please.. your comment about Beth Moore is lame..
And believe me, I don't just pick out what I want to hear .. I take the good with the bad.. I have had a really rough life you don't even know.. and I could list a million reasons why I shouldnt' believe in God.. I could hate him and be mad at him and not believe in Him..
but for what? Because I didnt understand something. .and things I didnt go my way..
KJRoq 3 years ago
Know what I think.. I think it was to hard for you to understand.. to much for you to even grasp.. so you refused it.. you decided it didnt make sense to you so you had to go find something easier to believe in.. like there is no God.. ahah.. there.. that explains it all.. its all made up.. fairytale.. that simple now.. .. you are the coward here, not me. You are to afraid to believe. To simple minded to believe.
KJRoq 3 years ago
I understand why you are an atheists.. Its to vast for you.. you can't see everything, can't understand everything, to much for your simple brain to handle..
Not believein in God is a copout.. not believing in God is for the small narrow minded people.. because its easier to not believe than it is to believe.
KJRoq 3 years ago
You can't answer my questions I put out in front of you..
you can dish it out but you can't take it..
typical atheist.
KJRoq 3 years ago
infected with the mind virus.. thats good.. I'll have to use that on my husband when he doesnt agree with me..
You have been infected with the mind virus of aboslute testostraonalist/manical thinking..
KJRoq 3 years ago
I really just love how you dodged around all the questions I asked you and never really answered any of them.. when they got to hot for you you responsed by typical intelectual come backs of name calling and insults.
KJRoq 3 years ago
oh and nogoma, I do understand that there are lunatic Christians out there.. :) But that doesnt mean or prove there is no God either.
KJRoq 3 years ago
ok as much as I want to end this conversation I can't I have to say this.. God desires people to believe in Him on their own. He would never force himself on anyone. Only Christians try to force him on people. God himself would never force himself on anyone. He reveals himself to us in many different ways.. anyone and everyone has the chance to believe. He wants people to believe in Him because they choose too, not because He has forced them too.
KJRoq 3 years ago
and nogoma -- Jesus really loves you whether you believe in him or not.. he's waiting for you to believe in Him... have a good life.. maybe I'll see ya someday.. :)
KJRoq 3 years ago
Ok so first of all I dont HAVE to believe anything if I don't want to. I do think with my brain.. you are the one that is not!!
KJRoq 3 years ago