Thank you for the GREAT video!! From Silvanus, the American-Italian-Pole from Detroit. Sivanus was the Roman diety of forest & filed, so I guess I 'own' all the forests & fields, at least maybe in Roman times anyway! %-) Grazi! Dzie kuje bardzo! Tanks again!!!
Waht some people don't know about the Italian military is distressing. It is the same as saying the Sherman was lousy whne it was in fact a good solid tank, & the later models did not burn due to bad ammo storage like the early ones.. The long 76mm on the Sherman was better than the USSR 85mm, & the USSR military stated this, especially when firing HVAP ammo it could knock out a panther or Tiger I on the turret front at up to ~1,000m, but not penetrate the glacis plate.
Italian 90mm Flak was a wee bit better than German Flak 88mmm I do believe, in both the AA & AT role, & truck mounted 90's were used in N. Africa, Sicily & Italy effectively. They also had some older 75mm AA guns truck mounted that were passable for AT work. HESH rounds were also used & 100mm HE arty. rounds without fuses were used in the AT role, & they could crack open the front of a T-34 & Sherman with little trouble. Germans & Allies were impressed.
By the time of the Italian armistice in mid 1943, the Italians had produced over 200 Semovente 75/18 on the M13-40-41 chassis, over 200 S. 75/34 (longer higher velocity gun), & 24 S. long 105mm, along with a few SP 90mm Flak/AT & 149mm guns on the M15-42 chassis. Germans kept the 75/34, 105, & I believe the 90 & 149 in production & also used a few 75/32 barrels (I have the production figures), 7 the P40 tank with 75mm was also produced (80 or so).
after casserin battle patton bloched el nayir passage and destroeyd the 88's with 150 mm artilliery.. patton read romel and turned him back to kirinia
@TheCallofpripyat You're mixing two different points who delayed Barbarossa operation; Italy invaded Greece Not Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia had some insurgence situation who had nothing to do with Italy. But yes, delay Barbarossa were the worst mistake of Hitler.
@TheCallofpripyat You're mixing two different points who delayed Barbarossa operation; Italy invaded Greece Not Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia had some insurgence situation who had nothing to do with Italy. But yes, delay Barbarossa were the worst mistake of Hitler.
I nostri marò e la folgore vi ha mazzulato senza mezzi,
decimando l'enorme numero di carri armati che avevate in campo, e ha MESSO IN FUGA spessissimo a gambe levate, reparti scelti di scozzesi, indiani e marine sas, perchè? perchè alla fine siamo meglio anche come soldati.
In quanto alla guerra d'africa, ignoranti e prevenuti, sarebbe più intelligente diceste che l'esercito italiano era forte e ben fornito, dato che quest'armata obsoleta come sostenete vi dato delle batoste sonore, se non era per gli americani ( che hanno salvato tutti da nazismo e comunismo) eravate in acqua, col vostro esercito moderno.
the problem is that is unfair if you say that italy scores bad in WWI because scores exactly like all the allied nations if not better than some.. Austra capitulate after vittorio veneto (germany didn't capitulate on the western front) it's the only central power witch capitulate after a major battle (battle of vittorio veneto)
i WW1 i really don't think so.... remeber that after and before caporetto yitalian forces achieves victories such as the conquest of gorizia and the battle of vittorio veneto and piave river... ernest hemingway fought on the italian front in WW1 and wrote about italian bravery. take a look to his books
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one of the few videos showing italians not running or prisoner,, masterpiece:-)))
so we have an idea of them in ww2:-))
and what churchill said was,, probably he wanted to earn the hearths or italians,, as he talked about french in ww2 too in a friendly way after all treachory.. politics.
Winston Churchill speech to the Chamber, Nov. 21 1942:"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the lions of the Folgore Division"
London Radio transmitted the famous official announcement:The remnants of the Folgore division put up a resistance beyond every limit of human possibility. ps. remebers FOLGOREEEE!!!!!!
Dont know about the brave fight of folkore division or whatever,, but never heard 1 battle italians won in ww2:-) better known by running fast or surrendering :-)
The italians soldiers had obsolete weapons, lacked equipment and supplies (reason why Italy had little success in the war) and still they held untill they were overrun both in North Africa and in Russia (and were afterwards left behind to cover the retreat in both occasion).
Maybe you care to give me some evidence about the Italian army surrendering without a fight, no matter how desperate?
It`s little known fact that Józef Kosacki invented in 1941 Polish mine detector who gave British army for free. Allies used his invention on El Alamaine first time where they doubled the speed of the British 8th Army. This Mine detector was used by the British Army until 1995
El Alamein was not just one battle, but a number of battles. The reason why was that the Italians invaded the continent of Africa, Britain defended Egypt, the Germans later helped the Italians, and the Commonwealth troops like Rhodesia and India were helping the British. Eventually they all met at El Alamein for the deciding battles. Italy and Germany were defeated there by the British and Commonwealth troops.
last i was in north africa, and i saw broken tanks and other things of war. the today livings beduins built of the war matreal houses and flats for him...hahha
Nope but they landed in the West beches of North Africa, if I recall right, in Algeria. So the Afrika Korps are corned by Commonwealth forces (mainly brits) in the east and Americans in the west.
cretino le uniche armi che funzionavano contro i carri degli alleati erano gli 88 tedeschi. Che noi italiani sapevamo usare meglio dei tedeschi. I fascisti erano solo una massa di coglioni. Sorry
no beh dai c'erano anche i pochi ma buoni Lancia da 90... a livello di anticarro mobili avevamo anche gli ottimi semoventi da 75... il problema è che ce n'erano troppo pochi per contrastare la marea inglese
The "RADIO LONDON" transmitted the official notice:"the rests of the Folgore division have resisted beyond every limit of the human possibilities" In the 21st of November 1942 W. Curchill said :"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the 'LIONS' of the Folgore Division"The FOLGORE was withdrawn from the forehead of El Alamein the 3 November 1942 without being defeat. Learn the history.
Il soldato italiano e la storia lo dimostra è un soldato molto coraggioso ed abile. Ma nella seconda guerra mondiale furono fatti combattere da un demagogo come Mussolini in assoluto stato di inferiorità e schierati dalla parte sbagliata. Purtroppo Mussolini non era De Gaule ma un demagogo culturalmente di sinistra
Onore ai soldati italiani ma vergogna ai politici che li hanno lasciati morire con niente altro che il loro coraggio. I politici sono stati i veri e propri traditori d'Italia
No he's not, it's actually true, it was Churchill who referred to them as the lions of the forgore as a lot of them fought to the death even though they had virtually no equipment.
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big lie, why dont you look into what type of equipment the 35,000 british had in 1940 when 250,000 italians crossed the border into egypt. The biggest myths of north africa campaign comes from the jerries and ities only, and all because they lost even though having the upper hand to the first two years but couldnt break the British Empire.
Lie? so you think Churchill did'nt refer to them as the Lions of the Folgore then? if they were so crap at el alamein why did he give them this compliment? a joke perhaps? why dont you look up what equipment the italians had at the time of the battle or better still watch the movie el alamein by enzo monteleone
They had plenty of mobile assets, while Italians lacked motorisation and the light tanks they had could be penetrated by rifle bullets, still they fought, the "medium" tanks could be stopped by Boyes rifles, notoriously useless in every other theatre of war. Italian guns OTOH could do nothing to stop the few Matildas the british had and which proved almost always decisive.
Please learn some history before posting comments. You are obviously ignorant. At El Alamein one Italian paratroop division (La Folgore) held back many more British divisions to cover Rommel's retreat.
marm. This is true. My father fought in the desert, and the Italians overran the Divisional HQ - he was in Divisional Signals. He was impressed with them.
La Folgore or 185th Infantry Division fought bravely they only had light AT guns which they used to destroy tanks that advanced along the narrow paths cleared through the minefields that protected their position.
MG42...
100kiYako 5 months ago
イタリア語? スペイン語?... わかんない。
100kiYako 5 months ago
Thank you for the GREAT video!! From Silvanus, the American-Italian-Pole from Detroit. Sivanus was the Roman diety of forest & filed, so I guess I 'own' all the forests & fields, at least maybe in Roman times anyway! %-) Grazi! Dzie kuje bardzo! Tanks again!!!
christof139 1 year ago
Waht some people don't know about the Italian military is distressing. It is the same as saying the Sherman was lousy whne it was in fact a good solid tank, & the later models did not burn due to bad ammo storage like the early ones.. The long 76mm on the Sherman was better than the USSR 85mm, & the USSR military stated this, especially when firing HVAP ammo it could knock out a panther or Tiger I on the turret front at up to ~1,000m, but not penetrate the glacis plate.
christof139 1 year ago
Italian 90mm Flak was a wee bit better than German Flak 88mmm I do believe, in both the AA & AT role, & truck mounted 90's were used in N. Africa, Sicily & Italy effectively. They also had some older 75mm AA guns truck mounted that were passable for AT work. HESH rounds were also used & 100mm HE arty. rounds without fuses were used in the AT role, & they could crack open the front of a T-34 & Sherman with little trouble. Germans & Allies were impressed.
christof139 1 year ago
By the time of the Italian armistice in mid 1943, the Italians had produced over 200 Semovente 75/18 on the M13-40-41 chassis, over 200 S. 75/34 (longer higher velocity gun), & 24 S. long 105mm, along with a few SP 90mm Flak/AT & 149mm guns on the M15-42 chassis. Germans kept the 75/34, 105, & I believe the 90 & 149 in production & also used a few 75/32 barrels (I have the production figures), 7 the P40 tank with 75mm was also produced (80 or so).
christof139 1 year ago
It's incredible to see Semoventes in action.
cyphertek 1 year ago
after casserin battle patton bloched el nayir passage and destroeyd the 88's with 150 mm artilliery.. patton read romel and turned him back to kirinia
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
you know what made you in ww2 right? you know what happened in the albanian front right ?
ΤΙΜΗ Κ ΔΟΞΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
DOXULOS 1 year ago
italians cause the ww2 been lost for germany.
1- because italy couldnt invade yugoslavia hitler must stop the invasion to urss bringing suport to italy.
2- germany spends a lots of resource to help italy.
3-italy couldnt fight against a buch of british scums in the desert so hitler send afrika korps to do what the italians supose to do.
TheCallofpripyat 1 year ago
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MyDiabolicoTwin 1 year ago
@TheCallofpripyat You're mixing two different points who delayed Barbarossa operation; Italy invaded Greece Not Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia had some insurgence situation who had nothing to do with Italy. But yes, delay Barbarossa were the worst mistake of Hitler.
MyDiabolicoTwin 1 year ago
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@TheCallofpripyat You're mixing two different points who delayed Barbarossa operation; Italy invaded Greece Not Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia had some insurgence situation who had nothing to do with Italy. But yes, delay Barbarossa were the worst mistake of Hitler.
MyDiabolicoTwin 1 year ago
poar ignorant, nothing more, ciao ciao cretino
laigah 2 years ago
I nostri marò e la folgore vi ha mazzulato senza mezzi,
decimando l'enorme numero di carri armati che avevate in campo, e ha MESSO IN FUGA spessissimo a gambe levate, reparti scelti di scozzesi, indiani e marine sas, perchè? perchè alla fine siamo meglio anche come soldati.
laigah 2 years ago
PAROLE SANTE E SAGGIE
FIAT4 2 years ago
In quanto alla guerra d'africa, ignoranti e prevenuti, sarebbe più intelligente diceste che l'esercito italiano era forte e ben fornito, dato che quest'armata obsoleta come sostenete vi dato delle batoste sonore, se non era per gli americani ( che hanno salvato tutti da nazismo e comunismo) eravate in acqua, col vostro esercito moderno.
laigah 2 years ago
ignorant 2 times!! the germans and the austrian were togheter in 1ww, under the same flag, the austrian empire.
And after Caporetto we won the austrian army because we used clever tactics.
Ignorante cretino
laigah 2 years ago
idiot! the italian army won the first ww and entered in Salzburg before every other army!!
Study more ignorant
laigah 2 years ago
the problem is that is unfair if you say that italy scores bad in WWI because scores exactly like all the allied nations if not better than some.. Austra capitulate after vittorio veneto (germany didn't capitulate on the western front) it's the only central power witch capitulate after a major battle (battle of vittorio veneto)
JackSEWing 2 years ago
@Grendo147
i WW1 i really don't think so.... remeber that after and before caporetto yitalian forces achieves victories such as the conquest of gorizia and the battle of vittorio veneto and piave river... ernest hemingway fought on the italian front in WW1 and wrote about italian bravery. take a look to his books
JackSEWing 2 years ago
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one of the few videos showing italians not running or prisoner,, masterpiece:-)))
so we have an idea of them in ww2:-))
and what churchill said was,, probably he wanted to earn the hearths or italians,, as he talked about french in ww2 too in a friendly way after all treachory.. politics.
Miklagard71 2 years ago
FOLGORE!!!
QuadraroImp 2 years ago 2
my grandad was eighth army, god rest his soul! my nan never saw him for about three to three and a half years!
blokey01 2 years ago 3
italiani coraggiosi, inglesi merdosi !
assopasso 2 years ago 12
@assopasso DICIAMO CHE HANNO COMPIUTO IL LORO DOVERE !
SENZA ARMI MODERNE SENZA RIFORNIMENTI E UN PO DURA FAR LA GUERRA
DOPO ERAN AGLI ORDINI DI CERTE TESTE::::::
panzer69war 1 year ago
THE PARATROOPERS OF DIVISION FOLGORE (italians)
Winston Churchill speech to the Chamber, Nov. 21 1942:"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the lions of the Folgore Division"
London Radio transmitted the famous official announcement:The remnants of the Folgore division put up a resistance beyond every limit of human possibility. ps. remebers FOLGOREEEE!!!!!!
gippobastard 2 years ago 10
Dont know about the brave fight of folkore division or whatever,, but never heard 1 battle italians won in ww2:-) better known by running fast or surrendering :-)
Miklagard71 2 years ago
That only shows how ignorant you are, i'm afraid.
The italians soldiers had obsolete weapons, lacked equipment and supplies (reason why Italy had little success in the war) and still they held untill they were overrun both in North Africa and in Russia (and were afterwards left behind to cover the retreat in both occasion).
Maybe you care to give me some evidence about the Italian army surrendering without a fight, no matter how desperate?
Cause I can give you plenty of the opposite...
PickBit 2 years ago
KESSERINE PASS
italianocazzuto 2 years ago
i not war
dragonquest20 2 years ago
0:28 min. It;s german PaK 38 50 mm AT gun.
Gracz87 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but there are some mistakes in your description, all the weapon shown in the video are italian weapon and not germans
VivagliAlpini2008 2 years ago 2
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It`s little known fact that Józef Kosacki invented in 1941 Polish mine detector who gave British army for free. Allies used his invention on El Alamaine first time where they doubled the speed of the British 8th Army. This Mine detector was used by the British Army until 1995
ferdovit 2 years ago
im doing a report on el alamein with a friend and we cannot find the reasons for this battle.
hunteranay 3 years ago
El Alamein was not just one battle, but a number of battles. The reason why was that the Italians invaded the continent of Africa, Britain defended Egypt, the Germans later helped the Italians, and the Commonwealth troops like Rhodesia and India were helping the British. Eventually they all met at El Alamein for the deciding battles. Italy and Germany were defeated there by the British and Commonwealth troops.
swanningaround 3 years ago
Americans were not at Al Alemain...
They came after and got beaten by Rommel
in Rommels last battels in North Afrika at
Sidi Bu Sid and especialy Kassarine Pass...
armenius25 3 years ago
MY DAD WAS 8TH ARMED 7 DIVISION
07891295 2 years ago
tuo padre era un gancoglione vigliacco inglese merdoso !! che ci sucasse il cazzo!
assopasso 2 years ago 6
last i was in north africa, and i saw broken tanks and other things of war. the today livings beduins built of the war matreal houses and flats for him...hahha
Turmfalke999 3 years ago
i know they said something about americans but the americans wernt there in el alemain
Rocafile 3 years ago
Nope but they landed in the West beches of North Africa, if I recall right, in Algeria. So the Afrika Korps are corned by Commonwealth forces (mainly brits) in the east and Americans in the west.
Tuxedo12 3 years ago
for domthegood
cretino le uniche armi che funzionavano contro i carri degli alleati erano gli 88 tedeschi. Che noi italiani sapevamo usare meglio dei tedeschi. I fascisti erano solo una massa di coglioni. Sorry
hassa2 3 years ago
no beh dai c'erano anche i pochi ma buoni Lancia da 90... a livello di anticarro mobili avevamo anche gli ottimi semoventi da 75... il problema è che ce n'erano troppo pochi per contrastare la marea inglese
Fabiko 3 years ago
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The "RADIO LONDON" transmitted the official notice:"the rests of the Folgore division have resisted beyond every limit of the human possibilities" In the 21st of November 1942 W. Curchill said :"We really must bow in front of the rest of those who have been the 'LIONS' of the Folgore Division"The FOLGORE was withdrawn from the forehead of El Alamein the 3 November 1942 without being defeat. Learn the history.
frarevo 3 years ago 2
Great video man. Thank's for posting
byci 4 years ago
Germans lost 16 000 men in north Africa but 4.5 million in east.
timo1595 4 years ago
El Alamein mancò la fortuna nn il valore
Niesus 4 years ago 2
thank you for posting this footage - it is of high quality
phoenixlegions 4 years ago
Il soldato italiano e la storia lo dimostra è un soldato molto coraggioso ed abile. Ma nella seconda guerra mondiale furono fatti combattere da un demagogo come Mussolini in assoluto stato di inferiorità e schierati dalla parte sbagliata. Purtroppo Mussolini non era De Gaule ma un demagogo culturalmente di sinistra
normannodelsud 4 years ago
Onore ai soldati italiani ma vergogna ai politici che li hanno lasciati morire con niente altro che il loro coraggio. I politici sono stati i veri e propri traditori d'Italia
ramonese45 4 years ago
El Alamein: the Italians were lions!
ln66 4 years ago 4
Oh please tell me you are being sarcastic! Pllleeeaaase!
jonewer 4 years ago
No he's not, it's actually true, it was Churchill who referred to them as the lions of the forgore as a lot of them fought to the death even though they had virtually no equipment.
sniffero 4 years ago 6
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big lie, why dont you look into what type of equipment the 35,000 british had in 1940 when 250,000 italians crossed the border into egypt. The biggest myths of north africa campaign comes from the jerries and ities only, and all because they lost even though having the upper hand to the first two years but couldnt break the British Empire.
burslemboy 4 years ago
Lie? so you think Churchill did'nt refer to them as the Lions of the Folgore then? if they were so crap at el alamein why did he give them this compliment? a joke perhaps? why dont you look up what equipment the italians had at the time of the battle or better still watch the movie el alamein by enzo monteleone
sniffero 4 years ago 4
They had plenty of mobile assets, while Italians lacked motorisation and the light tanks they had could be penetrated by rifle bullets, still they fought, the "medium" tanks could be stopped by Boyes rifles, notoriously useless in every other theatre of war. Italian guns OTOH could do nothing to stop the few Matildas the british had and which proved almost always decisive.
luigiduca 4 years ago
Please learn some history before posting comments. You are obviously ignorant. At El Alamein one Italian paratroop division (La Folgore) held back many more British divisions to cover Rommel's retreat.
marmot500 4 years ago 3
marm. This is true. My father fought in the desert, and the Italians overran the Divisional HQ - he was in Divisional Signals. He was impressed with them.
swanningaround 3 years ago
La Folgore or 185th Infantry Division fought bravely they only had light AT guns which they used to destroy tanks that advanced along the narrow paths cleared through the minefields that protected their position.
Kenmuircruiser 2 years ago 5
Onore ai nostri soldati troppo spesso ignorati dai documenti storici!
ItaliaStyleTV 5 years ago 2
Also the semovente da 75 is not very common to be seen in footages :)
luigiduca 5 years ago 2