Marysville PD "talk to me" in Meijer June 20, 2009 Part 2

[dustindammeier]

The LEOs should have responded to the call.

They had no right to detain or disarm this man.

They should have simply talked to him and asked him to show ID and a permit. He could have said no to the ID, but showed his permit.

Obviously he's not a felon if he has a CC permit.

They should have told him to have a nice day and moved on.

This is an illegal detainment, illegal disarm, and illegal search.....period. If this guy files a complaint, the LEOS will be talked to by their superiors for sure

[MrTHEGOD666]

It's a unreasonable sezier, because a Crime has NOT been Commited. DO NOT DIALOGED with these PIGS!!!"

[SOI23633]

I thought the gun was in this guys hand...the cop pulled it out of the holster, thats bull shit!!!!!!! the police have no right to do that......Sorry about my post on part 1 of this vid!!!!! my mistake!!!!

[specialross77]

@SOI23633 The pistol was ABSOLUTELY in the subjects hand. Listen to part 1 of this @ 1:02 the officer asks "why don't you just make it easy on everyone and wear it on your belt?" The subject replies something to the effect of "the law dosn't say how I can carry it so I will carry it however I want. This guy intended to cause a scene and try to smear the Marysville Police. This is not the first time this group has done things like this. Idiot is is lucky he didn't get his head blown off.

[40Spec]

@specialross77 No it was not.. The Officer may have ment Conceal it if he has a CPL and he could have had it in a leg holster. Michigan AG Opinion 7101 Defines 'brandishing' and him having to "wave or flourish menacingly, as a weapon. to display ostentatiously." If he had it out of his holster than why did the cop try to take it out when he first walked up to the guy? it was in his holster no doubt in my mind someone is dumb enough to do that. and the stick was an example.

[specialross77]

@40Spec If the officer ment conceal, he would have said conceal. Since the argument was about open carry, the officer knew the pistol must not be concealed and would not have encouraged it. There is no indication that the subject had a CPL. Who said anything about "brandishing" a weapon anyway? If the pistol was properly holstered, there would not have been an issue. This person carries for attention.

The officer took the pistol for his own safety while they investigated the situation.

[libra8a]

@specialross77 I guess you can't read. It's in the description. "Before I could turn around to address them, officer Trout grabbed my should with his left hand and jerked my gun from my holster with his right. "

[specialross77]

@libra8a Nice replying to an 8 month old comment. Had to listen to both vids all over again.

This video dosn't back up what it says in the description. How do you know what the description says is what really happened? Do you believe everything you read? Don't be so naieve.

[Stink808]

It may be reasonable for them to temporarily relieve you of your weapon when they detain you but it was totally unreasonable for them to detain you in the first place. If carrying a gun is legal, then by no means should they be detaining and investigatin you when they don't have reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime. With the reasoning given, they could stop, question and search everyone in public that they choose.

[whiteknightef]

These cops obviously don't know their constitution.

[specialross77]

@whiteknightef I don't know how you came to that conclusion. In the end, this person was allowed to leave with his pistol. All the officers wanted to do was hold his pistol until he determined that nothing illegal was happening. This officer shows up to a call of a man with a gun, so obviously he is going to make sure this person is not a felon and protect his own safety while doing so. I have no problem with what happened here. I also have no problem with law abiding citizens carrying open.

[40Spec]

@specialross77 So I guess you don't mind your rights being stomped on? I see your point of view 100% But this person is not breaking any laws. Say if you were walking down the street and the police detained you for using a walking stick. Why? you have not broken any laws? you have not given them any "reasonable suspision" to stop you. They are profiling this man and had NO RIGHT to do what they have done. Once again Law Enforcement is abuseing there power.

[specialross77]

@40Spec My rights have never been stomped on. Carrying a walking stick and carrying a pistol is not the same thing. There are no laws about who can carry walking sticks. There are laws about who can carry a pistol (no felons). The police did not just see this guy walking and hastle him, the store called the police on him, so they had to respond. Why is this so hard to understand?

[specialross77]

@40Spec If the police just ignored this call and the person with the pistol ended up using it to commit a crime, the police would be sued. There was no profiling here and no abuse of power, the simply responded to a call about a man with a gun, checked out the man with the gun to make sure it was a lawful carry and let him go. What you don't understand is that most officers encourage law abiding citizens to arm theirselves. Police are not against people owning or carrying firearms.

[40Spec]

@specialross77 I'll agree that some Police like people carrying, but I will NEVER say ALL police like people carrying. I was called on while eating at taco bell all 5 Police that showed up DISCOURAGED me from carrying.

[specialross77]

@40Spec Really? What town was that in?

[40Spec]

@specialross77 Eastpointe... A bunch of rookie cops and this was after I had discussed the laws with the Officers in charge at the department a few days prior. I just spoke to a friend of a friend who is a cop for Detroit. She said that she has not a clue about OC and that the one time she heard about it another cop took the OCer's gun and the cop was wrong and he got in trouble. She told me that she thinks "OCer's do it just to tick cops off and test them" I said yes but the law is the law.

[specialross77]

@40Spec Yeah, even though OC has been around for a while, people are really just starting to exercise their rights. I find it hard to blame the cops for not knowing the laws though. I have the 2010 Michigan Penal Code book and that thing is thicker than the Holy Bible. I would agree with your cop friend that many OCer's do it just to tick off cops and that upsets me, but you are right, the law is the law. I would OC if I could afford a pistol. Unemployed going on 3 years. :(

[40Spec]

@specialross77 also public gun handling is more dangerous. I've seen cops accidently shoot their own gun off while pulling and holstering it. THE LESS gun handling the better. It is safer in the holster. PERIOD!

[Anothercoilgun]

While we are here we are the only ones with guns?  You gotta be shitting me.

[Anothercoilgun]

One day I hope all 50 and all lands get to the some what open carry freedom as New Hampshire.

[lengthyounarther]

So did you pursue any follow up with this government thugs who think they can just do anything they want without any justification.