Our branch chief from Japan is a believer in fighting for real. He said that he'd rather see us fight in the streets than in the ring because he believed that Kyokushin is about real fighting. There is power in fighting in MMA and kick boxing, but it is never fighting for your own life. That's not to say I look for street brawls, and I'm not sure if I agree with him. But he has a point.
In a real fight to defending his life, who has the winner's advantage: A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). In your opinion who's the one that would survive?
by the looks of this videos seems oyama like the close range distance,maybe the reason is that in any event his training allowed him to take a hard blow to the body although i am not sure about a blow to the head.
man... he uses the same punch technique of the russian martial arts "Systema". And at that time, no one knew about Systema... the one punch =one fall. Oyama, u make me proud to be korean
@EddieTH80 it all depends on the practioner as systema has no pre arranged set's moves are kata's. Systema literally is the system. A practitioner of Russian systema creates his are her own interpretation of the art it has nothing to do with the art but the practitioner as there are no rules in the systema.
Basically...He didnt have high tech machinery, nice gyms, pools he can train in. He just trained like ancient warriors did. MMA is a sport. They fight to see who wins or loses. He fought as a way of life. There is a big difference.
Mas Oyama was an MMA fighter, as was virtually every Japanese martial artist in the 20th century. Most of the masters learned several very different styles, a system of karate, judo, etc. The founder of my style was nearly the highest ranked practicioner of judo, aikido AND karate, and a golden gloves champion, and this was all before even WW2. It is the height of naivete to think that the old masters were not versatile.
@elenchus same here, I was very fortunate to find an instructor that was a black belt in Judo and allowed a BJJ guy to train with us twice a week. I think Karate, Judo, and Jiu Jitsu were all one style until the Bushido broke the styles up when they took over the Okinawan islands. That was my instructors belief.
@evolvedb4u I've got to respectfully disagree with the idea that they were literally one system. Systems of atemi, or striking, did exist in Japan, generally as a smaller part of systems of what we would think of as grappling/throwing arts (they were not very popular because they were largely ineffective against armored opponents). Judo didn't exist until the late 19th century, but it's the culmination of two very old jujutsu styles being modernized by Kano.
@evolvedb4u Karate itself, or "te" as it was called before the 20th century, has influences from three regions--Okinawa (the Ryukyu islands), followed by China, and lastly Japan. The contribution of Chinese kung fu is very large, so it's hard to really tell what comes from Okinawa and what comes from China, but clearly there are a handful of throws, etc, which while they existed in some styles of kung fu, are more likely a result of Japanese visitors and traders in Okinawa (in my opinion)
But in Japan alone, there were hundreds, if not thousands of different schools of kenjutsu, iaijutsu and so on, and arts that we would call jujutsu. Modern grappling arts are the descendant of just a few of those schools, the two that Kano mastered and the aiki-jujutsu that Ueshiba mastered (which resulted in the modern day Aikido). Karate has basically three styles by the 20th century, named after each of the main cities in Okinawa.
@evolvedb4u Funakoshi learned shuri-te and became the first teacher of karate in Japan in the 1920s, eventually founding the shotokan. Due to his pedagogical success in Japan, shuri-te is by far the most popular lineage of karate, followed by the naha-te, who's famous school is the goju-ryu. Point being, even in Okinawa, karate wasn't one style...it was at least three styles, although they appear to have routinely trained together.
@evolvedb4u BJJ itself is a direct descendant of judo--it's basically judo with a different set of rules. I think it's really interesting to trace the lineages, which are often faked or the result of relatively recent re-envisioning of history (take karate--originally in mainland Japan, the kara denoted "chinese," as in Chinese-Hand, but that wouldn't fly in early 20th century Japan, so they changed the kanji to "empty").
@Fishy870 from what i have learned about mas oyama brock lesnar would be scared to fight him. the emperor of japan had mas oyama as his bodyguard and everyone was just scared to fight him because if you tried to block anything he threw you'd be having broken bones.
@xHisoka87x There is no strongest martial art ... there is only a strongest fighter but one day strongest fighter will loose a fight... so you cannot be strongest 4ever :D
people are kinda dumb, I train MMA and I actually look forward into MMA. it's as great as Muay Thai or anything else. but I really want to do it. Kyokushin fighters can take a hit. LOL
I studied briefly with a guy who trained with Oyama, and I can tell you from experience that one flick in the ribs from him would leave you sore for a few days. Trust me, Oyama could put just about anyone down with one punch to the body.
By the way, new generation Kyokushin schools focus mostly on tournament training, many of them forgot what true Kyokushin is about and that's sad, and maybe the reason why so many people think we fight only like they see in tournaments.
Why people is so square minded? In Kyokushin we DO punch people in the face, we just don't do it in tournaments because we fight barehanded and that tends to cause large bleeding cuts, witch are mostly unconclusive unnesessary damage. And about bringing the MMA shit to the scene, MMA is not a Martial Art! Besides Kyokushin, I do Muay Thai, Box, BJJ and Wrestling, also did Judo and TKD as a kid, and I fight K1 and Kudo tournaments. That makes me a MMA fighter, or not?
@kobuden techincally. "MMA" is a abbreviation for a sport though. pretty confusing but you have to compete in MMA to officially be a MMA fighter. but you can do "MMA" lol confusing
@shadowcar88 Well actually I am a MMA fighter, in Kudo you're allowed to do stuff you can't do even in UFC, Strikeforce, etc, and most of all MMA leagues (like headbutts and strikes to joints and back of the oponent) and yesterday I finally stepped in a MMA cage.
He did not invent a new style Karate, He changed the name, but still its Karate.
If you clearly watch you can see in this footage, he is not a real fighter.
His punches are hilarious and he fights with no defends. There R many good Karate guys out there, also in his style Karate kyokushin. But he is not as good as people want him to be
@minasz The fighters you say are good in Kyokushin learned everything from the Shihans who learned from Sosai then passed down the knowledge. So he plainly did something right. I don't know if you've even TRIED Kyokushin; if you haven't you have no place in this conversation. If you've trained Kyo past white belt then you would at least know that anyone even semi serious about this MA has tremendous heart that comes from the foundation. But if you were around to witness Oyama let me know. Osu.
@H0useMouse Yes there R great fighters that come from kyokushin, but also there are many great fighters that come from other Karate Styles. I feel Karate is just Karate, with a little differentses and different kata or kumite. Yes I did Kyokushin and I also did Wado Ryu that has more grapplin in it. Kyokushin I was a green belt and Waydo Ryo I was a brown belt, so you can say i know a little Karate. I dont hate Oyama, I think he was a great teacher. But I have my doubts with him being a fighter.
@minasz He did a 300 man kumite. Why would records say he did this if he didn't. And in those days it wasn't his students he was sparring with, it was other fighters from other styles. I disagree that all Karate is just Karate, mostly because I've visited some dojos that don't even have a style, they're just called Karate, and the quality is poor. I also had a friend over from Europe who was brown belt Shotokan who had trouble keeping up in Kyokushin; how hard we hit etc. I find Kyo very diff.
@H0useMouse well its very simple its not the style who wins a battles but the person does. So I believe Karate is just Karate in its base. and that Kyokushin punch higher from the waist than shotokan are just little differences. About Oyama, well i got my believes and you got yours. Im happy with that. no hard feelings.
@H0useMouse wrong!your style uses hands very limited way and in tournaments they even dont protect face!this type o fkarate are meant for attacker with body like oyama, small men cant fight like that.so the syles are for different body size.that style works only if u have very strong body otherwise better use other ones.
@supralee You obviously don't know much about Kyokushin, or you've had a limitted experience. Or else you'd know that we do protect the face...from kicks. We are not allowed hand attacks to the face. What you're saying about size is total bullshit, I train with all sizes, from dwarves to fridges, and they can ALL do something well, and they can ALL handle the training. I'm female, and the men I spar with are surprised at how hard they're able to hit me without any complaint. You show no respect.
@H0useMouse in real situation u cant use much of your beloved art because its too limited.yes u protect face from kicks but not from hands thats very bad habit. can u win any man with bigger size, no u cant.be realistic. there are other ways to overcame size much deeper and much deeper level training needed.after u learn it u know that all this karate was just way of muscles not way of real art.woman must learn sensitivity and use that not just attack like man!wake up:)
@supralee I'm wide awake. Have you EVER taken Kyokushin past the lower belts? It desn't sound like it. We DO practice how to defend against attacks to the face. But in sparring we don't hit in the face or we'd all end up in the hospital! YOU wake up, you simple-minded biased creature. I have a much deeper understading of Kyokushin than you will ever have. Learn respect for other MA beause as long as you don't have that you're disrespecting yourself, your MA and your teachers.
@supralee I've trained other MA. Stop trying to act smart, you know nothing of my background and experience, nor how I train, so stick your nose somewhere else. Every sport, ever art, everything human has limitations. But in my heart I know Kyokushin has something special that not all MA's have. I didn't even like it at first, something happened and my heart opened to it, so there is no bias here. You're one to talk of limits...you who disrespect a style you can't even begin to comprehend.
@shadowcar88 In this Universe they do. Hydrogen atoms can't have more than one proton, no matter how much we might want otherwise. Any more or less protons and it wouldn't be a Hydrogen atom. Flying without technology for humans is right now impossible. Physical limitation exists, I don't care what anyone says. Mental limitation is different, but even there it's ambiguous.
You don't understand when I say "limit's dont exsist" do you? nothing is impossible. I don't care what scientifical reasoning you put in front of me. I don't care how stupid or foolish I sound. I will remain to believe nothing is impossible. that is my way. also, fighting is also :)
@shadowcar88 You can jump off a cliff and fly without help? You can time travel? You can shoot yourself into outer space without suffocating or being burnt by the radiation of the Sun? Wow you're amazing. No limitations at all.
@supralee - the thing about kyokushin is that you will bring down your opponent before he brings you out. take a notice that most of kyokushin fights end up with knock out. and that`s the whole idea. second thing - it`s obvious that this is a full contact style so don`t be so supprised that kyokushin adepts are training a lot if it goes to strenght. and at the end - trust me, this style is good enough to take out most of people you encounter on the street. what is better? a hand gun.
@aryul Hee Bro! hahah Sorry but this is how it I look at it. I did Kyokushin and I have Kyokushin friends and they R real good fighters. But when Im watching that fight against the Bull hahahah I feel its like a joke. Cant help it. Also did you see when he was in korea. And he showed what to do when somebody attacks hahaha so funny. Slapstick..
Why is everyone bickering? You have a video in front of your face telling you how good Oyama was. Not to mention degrading the Kyokushin founder is disrespectful and dishonorable to all kyokushinkai, and to yourselves, your own martial art, and the sensei's who taught you.
@ 9 secs u can see he punched him right in the face but from the other angles it looks like it was blocked. it actually wasnt. so its possible this was legit in my opinion.
he is a legend man..he had over 30 million students all over da world, he fought around 110 great fighters include black cobra(he was a legend king of kickboxing), turkey king's kindom master, japanes ninja and so on....n he barely lost 1 or so.... come on man
remember people, its the practioner who makes the art. what ever style you do, its what you put into it that makes it work. how much you pratice and pratice. oyama put his work in and developed kyokushin. bruce lee put his work in and developed jeet kwoon do. in asia its thier tradition, here in the US it becomes money. its hard to find a good school now a days that teaches the real thing
9- If he was alive today I am sure mma fighters would go to him for stand up training and he would be putting his own mma fighters in the ring. In its time Kyokushin karate was way ahead of its time and oyama would not let it get left behind
3- Yes kyokushion karate is a very strong stand up style. Any art that has strengths have weakness so on the ground it is very week, that being said no one knew about grappling till the early 90s and this does not show mas oyama skills on the ground" judo at the time look a lot more like bjj.
4- You never want to be on the ground in a street fight in less you have too.
5-Many great fights have been trained by oyama and kyokushion like all the K-1 fighters.
Lets get some shit straight for some of those key board warriors.
1- Mas oyama had many well documented fights all over the world and won them all most by knock out.
2- He had many well train fighters and kyukoshin fighters did very well in K-1.
3-MMA is just a name, Oyama had fights all over the world against many very strong opponents of all different are arts including boxing and america wrestling, which makes him a MMA fighter but more like the early ufc's.
you dont realize that oyama was a utterly completely and throughly amazing! he made a new type of Karate.... he could drop 20 easily.... He fought bulls and killed them with his bare hands, so "bigdaddycoolshoes" Its not bull and they did not drop for him
@SamuiHakai im not narrowminded at all, like you i believed that mas oyama was some kind of crazy martial artist that would rip the hearts out of bulls ect. i was in grade 7; recently i tried to research the topic and i saw that in the videos of bull killings and his fights, you can see that he fought no one credible and the bulls he fought were just tiny cows with horns, watch the videos. Stories are blown way out of proportion over time. its funny that you believe anything you hear though.
@thecrazyoftheinsane I don't believe anything I hear, but when the entire martial arts community recognizes someone, its for good reason. Masutatsu Oyama never had any rumor about ripping hearts out, he did chop a bull's horn off. Yes because all fights are recorded on video right? He fought MANY credible people, I don't know what kind of research you did, but apparently it wasn't enough. I've seen much crazier things in my life than some of the things you can't seem to be able to believe.
@SamuiHakai see, you just gave me a bunch of opinions with no fact or evidence. Give me some credible people he fought, and no i dont mean tai chi warriors i mean actual named fighters during when he was alive, and not the fake muay thai fighter he fought that he beat with a "triple ariel kick". Ive seen the fights he had recorded on video and there just awful. They say he chopped horns of but he didnt, show me an example. i can show you him wrestling a small cow with horns though.
@thecrazyoftheinsane hey mate. small cow or not fighting and animal like a bull or cow and killing it with bare hands isnt an easy thing to do, and he did take horns of bulls sometimes while they were alive some times not but either way until you can kill a cow or bull with ur hands alone i wouldn't try and question anything that has been said abouut oyama
@xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx lmfao look at the video and talk to me afterwards. Its actually hilarious. Mas oyama goes for a chop at the small cows horns. Right before mas oyamas hand touches the cow, the camera changes n focuses on the ground and then it looks like some fucker just threw a cow horn on there. lmfao watch it, youll laugh.
@Kal8900 You know the bull thing was fake right? Some of his old disciples denounced it. And the only footage of him fighting one is actually him fighting an old, dying ox - whose horn they hit with a hammer first.
No one could fight 300 full contact bouts on the trot. It is bollocks. Unless people were paid to drop for him. Explain how he got his arse kicked my a Wado student in Tatsuo Suzuki's Dojo then?
Just search about on the internet. Even some of his students have spoke out about his claims. Read what Jon Blumming has to say, or what Steve Morris thinks. There are loads. Honestly, I'm not trolling, just trying to get some sense of reality going here. There is also a book by a guy called Tadashi.
john bluming doesnt know shit about kyokushin karate and he likes to talk shit behind other people's back. Just read on his website about how childish he talks behind the back of respected people in karate.
In his organization u can become a blackbelt without even training karate, u just have to pay enough money.
So i dont really trust what he says.
About the other rumours i dont know so can't give any opinion about it
Nobody an say that karatekas don't do well or ''dominate'' UFC GSP learnt kyokushin anderson silva learnt maui taui (dunno correct spelling) and many others also know different syles of karate
@xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx I'm assuming maui taui is muay thai...thaiboxing :) But i agree, most MMA fighters have had some form of karate training....if nothing else, kickboxing was derived from karate, kung fu and taekwon-do
dimpu and Muraku are correct. Kyokushin alone far outclasses the majority of what MMA has to offer with the exception of some submissions. I've taken a few classes myself and I had to stop sparring because it hurt. I was wearing protective gear as well, which normally isn't allowed.Kyokushin is to MMA, as Tyson is to a 15 year old amatuer boxer. Not much chance...
@KingKrimson89 stupid fucking idiot, if that was true Kyokushin karateka would be dominating in MMA, ive only sparred a kyokushin karateka once and all I had to was take him down and he was basicaly useless
@GevryVince No shit i know who he is lol im just saying in a fight a mma fighters stamina training would over come him in his prime it would be a different story but in old age no....
THEFURY187,really pathetic how america is fascinated with non sense mma.mas oyama need not defeat an mma fighter an ordinary kyokushin black belt will break mms fighters jaw with 1 massive blow.
OOPS SORRY RAGEMysterio.let me tell you mas oyama first learnt his martial art of kung-fu/wushu.then taekwondo,then went on to become emperror of karate.
MMA is good and effective in its style but its wrong to say karatekas have no chance to MMA FIGHTERS. coz after all in kyokushin they confer a blackbelt only after 20 men: 1 black belt.. full contact kata/kumite.PEACE BUDHA LOVES YOU.
RageMysterio,,i dunno about OTHER MARTIAL ARTS BUT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 1 INFO.MASTER OYAMA IS THE ONLY KARATEKA WHO FOUGHT 300 MEN KUMITE NON-STOP FOR 3 DAYS,& WAS STILL ASKING FOR MORE.& THOSE WHO FOUGHT HIM WERE AT LEAST A BLACK BELT TO 9 DANS OF KARATE.& WERE ALL DEAD TIRED ATE 3 DAY OF NON-STOP FIGHTING..NO ONE HAS BROKE HIS RECORD TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
i know well the history of master oyama, he inspired me much as i create my own hybrid style. but any way I never said anything bad about him, so calm down, nor did I say i was more a supporter of what, I enjoy watching mma, but I train traditional, because i enjoy it more. you so damn excited your trying too tell people off who share your respect. Im just saying aint no need for you too make threats on youtube. you think master oyama would want you threatening someone because comments on youtub
in yo dreams right? hahahahahah.have you seen a kyokushin black belt? fighting art was created and ruled by karatekas.not some fu-man-choooos.hahahah.
are you serious? UFC is so overtly biased towards grappling that it's nothing but a joke. In a REAL fight (an MM artist vs Oyama) Oyama would win hands down, because he could use techniques that are illegal in UFC but are taught in Karate.
you dont think in a real fight an MMA fighter would be able to use those techniques better oyama? espically since most of these illegal moves your talking about you cant really practice against a real oppononent
last time i checked no mma fighter trained hard enough to be able to kill a bull with their bare hands, and chop off its horn, once again with bare hands.
He did. I have a friend who has the issue of Black Belt, or something that has that article in it. He was a student of Kyokushin in the 70s. The claims are legit. If you research, there are photos as well.
@SamuiHakai dont believe every story you get told without criticism
and please dont start this ''MMA vs karate''' bullshit. an MMA fighter would no doubt lose in a kyukushin tournament, just as mas oyama would lose against a decent heavyweight MMA fighter in a cage fight.
@MuayThaiViking There is a lot of documented informaton on masutatsu, you can choose to believe or disbelieve all you want, it doesn't concern me. I am not starting a MMA vs TMA argument, the argument itself is silly , but please do not group people who fought for their lives and who fight professionally in the same category. MMA is simply a title and does not guarantee any level of skill, and on that note heavyweight fighters in MMA and especially UFC tend to be shoddy.
i know being an MMA fighter doesnt guarantee any level of skill, when it comes to fighting, and neither does a black belt in kyukushin. but being a successful pro fighter in a real organization like UFC, wont happen if you arent at the top
aaaanyway, just thought it was a funny comment ''mma fighters dont fight bulls''. lol no, but they fight well rounded athletes who can fight in all distances. and they do it for a living. i find that more impressing
@MuayThaiViking Shoddy, as in sketchy or questionable. Correct a belt guarantee's nothing either, well...99% of the time. Am I saying all non TMA artists are useless trash that couldn't fight off a crippled grandma in a bare fist brawl? no. Why do I bring up the topic of oyama and the bulls? because he was recorded for it, and is well known for it. Can I tell you for certain that he chopped off its horns with his bare hands? no.
@MuayThaiViking , I wasn't there but the research and things I've seen over the years makes it very believable to me. Like I said before you're free to disbelieve or believe, it hardly matters much. Am I saying that bull fighting is the standard for people who can fight? no, but once again "pro-fighters" tend to be shoddy and over-rated. Am I saying that pro-fighters aren't impressive? no, I just respect people who literrally had to fight for their lives more, in any case thats my two pennies.
@SamuiHakai yeah that's incredible, but the bull had a nose ring and a rope attached to it. So the bull was helpless. Still tho... he did chop off it's horn.
Helloooo, they filmed him with drugged-up bulls. You have seen a film of him here. He was famous, so any fight he could have been involved with, or any so-called challenge he accepted, would have been filmed. Ueshiba is on film doing demo's. There are loads of examples. He never fought! FACT!
Idiot. He has been recorded as winning an extraodinary amount of fights. I hate idiots who can't fight themselves who speculate about martial arts. Kyokushin is generally accepted asth #1 Karate in Japan, And The Current Sancho, Shokei Matsui, holds the record for youngest man to win the world martial arts championship.Kyokishin owns.
His brain-washed hero-worshippers will probably come on here and tell you he can beat Lesnar with just his little finger! They probably reckon that isn't fat, just a really big massive muscle!
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DirtyHeartbeat 4 days ago
One Strike, One end! Kiai!!
jasvinder04 3 months ago
Our branch chief from Japan is a believer in fighting for real. He said that he'd rather see us fight in the streets than in the ring because he believed that Kyokushin is about real fighting. There is power in fighting in MMA and kick boxing, but it is never fighting for your own life. That's not to say I look for street brawls, and I'm not sure if I agree with him. But he has a point.
DralnuduLouvre 3 months ago 2
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(Quiz): I always would like to know this answer:
In a real fight to defending his life, who has the winner's advantage: A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). In your opinion who's the one that would survive?
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
by the looks of this videos seems oyama like the close range distance,maybe the reason is that in any event his training allowed him to take a hard blow to the body although i am not sure about a blow to the head.
borobei 4 months ago
yamaguchi punched a tiger, forget bulls.
BowNER93 5 months ago
Mas Oyama was a Warrior.
bnbamity 5 months ago
@bnbamity Gogen Yamaguchi was a warrior.
bnbamity 5 months ago
man... he uses the same punch technique of the russian martial arts "Systema". And at that time, no one knew about Systema... the one punch =one fall. Oyama, u make me proud to be korean
Azfargh 6 months ago
@Azfargh
man, the russian martial arts "Systema" is total fake
EddieTH80 6 months ago
@EddieTH80 it might be, but that punch technique are not... thats for sure.
Azfargh 6 months ago
@EddieTH80 it all depends on the practioner as systema has no pre arranged set's moves are kata's. Systema literally is the system. A practitioner of Russian systema creates his are her own interpretation of the art it has nothing to do with the art but the practitioner as there are no rules in the systema.
lococavasa 4 months ago
Basically...He didnt have high tech machinery, nice gyms, pools he can train in. He just trained like ancient warriors did. MMA is a sport. They fight to see who wins or loses. He fought as a way of life. There is a big difference.
LuDimezofKush 6 months ago 17
@LuDimezofKush good point.
lococavasa 4 months ago
Mas oyama reminds me to goku, training by himself in the nature
CaBeeful 6 months ago
Mas Oyama is no match for Son Goku!
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
Mas Oyama was an MMA fighter, as was virtually every Japanese martial artist in the 20th century. Most of the masters learned several very different styles, a system of karate, judo, etc. The founder of my style was nearly the highest ranked practicioner of judo, aikido AND karate, and a golden gloves champion, and this was all before even WW2. It is the height of naivete to think that the old masters were not versatile.
elenchus 8 months ago 2
@elenchus same here, I was very fortunate to find an instructor that was a black belt in Judo and allowed a BJJ guy to train with us twice a week. I think Karate, Judo, and Jiu Jitsu were all one style until the Bushido broke the styles up when they took over the Okinawan islands. That was my instructors belief.
evolvedb4u 8 months ago
@evolvedb4u I've got to respectfully disagree with the idea that they were literally one system. Systems of atemi, or striking, did exist in Japan, generally as a smaller part of systems of what we would think of as grappling/throwing arts (they were not very popular because they were largely ineffective against armored opponents). Judo didn't exist until the late 19th century, but it's the culmination of two very old jujutsu styles being modernized by Kano.
elenchus 8 months ago 2
@evolvedb4u Karate itself, or "te" as it was called before the 20th century, has influences from three regions--Okinawa (the Ryukyu islands), followed by China, and lastly Japan. The contribution of Chinese kung fu is very large, so it's hard to really tell what comes from Okinawa and what comes from China, but clearly there are a handful of throws, etc, which while they existed in some styles of kung fu, are more likely a result of Japanese visitors and traders in Okinawa (in my opinion)
elenchus 8 months ago 2
But in Japan alone, there were hundreds, if not thousands of different schools of kenjutsu, iaijutsu and so on, and arts that we would call jujutsu. Modern grappling arts are the descendant of just a few of those schools, the two that Kano mastered and the aiki-jujutsu that Ueshiba mastered (which resulted in the modern day Aikido). Karate has basically three styles by the 20th century, named after each of the main cities in Okinawa.
elenchus 8 months ago 2
@evolvedb4u Funakoshi learned shuri-te and became the first teacher of karate in Japan in the 1920s, eventually founding the shotokan. Due to his pedagogical success in Japan, shuri-te is by far the most popular lineage of karate, followed by the naha-te, who's famous school is the goju-ryu. Point being, even in Okinawa, karate wasn't one style...it was at least three styles, although they appear to have routinely trained together.
elenchus 8 months ago 2
@evolvedb4u BJJ itself is a direct descendant of judo--it's basically judo with a different set of rules. I think it's really interesting to trace the lineages, which are often faked or the result of relatively recent re-envisioning of history (take karate--originally in mainland Japan, the kara denoted "chinese," as in Chinese-Hand, but that wouldn't fly in early 20th century Japan, so they changed the kanji to "empty").
elenchus 8 months ago 3
mma fighter hmm not mma but maby brock lesnar can do it he is a monster
Fishy870 9 months ago
@Fishy870 from what i have learned about mas oyama brock lesnar would be scared to fight him. the emperor of japan had mas oyama as his bodyguard and everyone was just scared to fight him because if you tried to block anything he threw you'd be having broken bones.
popatittyshit 8 months ago in playlist Karate
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sibemol007 9 months ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!
HE JUST BEAT THE DOGGY POO OUTTA THAT GUY!!!!
aquemeni541 9 months ago
... DAMN!!!
ADdadirector 9 months ago
Mas Oyama: "I mad goddamn it! Who ate the last turkey leg!"
osensei2987 9 months ago
Kyokushinkai actualy is the strongest martial art in the world
xHisoka87x 9 months ago
@xHisoka87x There is no strongest martial art ... there is only a strongest fighter but one day strongest fighter will loose a fight... so you cannot be strongest 4ever :D
bishketflux 9 months ago 2
@bishketflux Infact i wrote that it actually is the strongest!asd
xHisoka87x 9 months ago
this video only sucks because the person that posted it cannot count. I didn't see 5 opponents here.
hcdub 9 months ago
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RESPECT FOR OYAMA SENSEI BUT THE OTHER KARATEKA DON'T FIGHT WITH HIM ,AND I'T'S FAKE
nipponia1 9 months ago
RESPECT FOR OYAMA SENSEI BUT THE OTHER KARATEKA DON'T FIGHT WITH HIM ,AND I'T'S FAKE
nipponia1 9 months ago
@nipponia1 actually this video is not fake .. they fought him ... did you even see it? lol and btw oyama is not Sensei he is Sosai (president) ..
bishketflux 9 months ago
Oyama was simply amazing.
tamashii14 10 months ago
Kuro-obis are literally "black belts". As in "Mas Oyama is fighting five articles of clothing". A person with black belt rank is a Yudansha.
Kwimalo 1 year ago
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Megatheron 1 year ago
enough criticizing all martial arts are good it all depends on the person who practice it..........
eq5uinox 1 year ago
@eq5uinox OK DUMB ASS !
Megatheron 1 year ago
@Megatheron well he does state a valid point
Kyofighter93 1 year ago
very good fighter, kyokushin looks like chinese baji quan
andong1960 1 year ago
Oyama was the man.
chrokeii 1 year ago
people are kinda dumb, I train MMA and I actually look forward into MMA. it's as great as Muay Thai or anything else. but I really want to do it. Kyokushin fighters can take a hit. LOL
shadowcar88 1 year ago
I studied briefly with a guy who trained with Oyama, and I can tell you from experience that one flick in the ribs from him would leave you sore for a few days. Trust me, Oyama could put just about anyone down with one punch to the body.
robtrodes 1 year ago
By the way, new generation Kyokushin schools focus mostly on tournament training, many of them forgot what true Kyokushin is about and that's sad, and maybe the reason why so many people think we fight only like they see in tournaments.
kobuden 1 year ago
Why people is so square minded? In Kyokushin we DO punch people in the face, we just don't do it in tournaments because we fight barehanded and that tends to cause large bleeding cuts, witch are mostly unconclusive unnesessary damage. And about bringing the MMA shit to the scene, MMA is not a Martial Art! Besides Kyokushin, I do Muay Thai, Box, BJJ and Wrestling, also did Judo and TKD as a kid, and I fight K1 and Kudo tournaments. That makes me a MMA fighter, or not?
kobuden 1 year ago
@kobuden techincally. "MMA" is a abbreviation for a sport though. pretty confusing but you have to compete in MMA to officially be a MMA fighter. but you can do "MMA" lol confusing
shadowcar88 1 year ago
@shadowcar88 Well actually I am a MMA fighter, in Kudo you're allowed to do stuff you can't do even in UFC, Strikeforce, etc, and most of all MMA leagues (like headbutts and strikes to joints and back of the oponent) and yesterday I finally stepped in a MMA cage.
kobuden 1 year ago
@kobuden i'm trying to look for a kudo joint in sydney.. you know of any?
laser20pack 1 year ago
Oyama appears soooooooooooo friggin powerful with his punches.!
tcooperent 1 year ago
Try Indian stick fighting!!!
BeeGees23 1 year ago
@BeeGees23 Kahli sticks? I hope I spelt that right. Try JKD or creating your own style that works. :D
zombiesrcuming4u 1 year ago
i'll distract him by throwing a sushi roll then take him down in 3 moves.
muskie1976 1 year ago
this old fart is one spring roll from not getting up off a chair.
muskie1976 1 year ago
@muskie1976 that old fart would break you like a spring roll
msmary11 1 year ago
@muskie1976 Dude, he would kill you in like 3 fucking seconds
RomeoSOF2 1 year ago
this is true fight, no gloves no pads.
folkncoke 1 year ago
He did not invent a new style Karate, He changed the name, but still its Karate.
If you clearly watch you can see in this footage, he is not a real fighter.
His punches are hilarious and he fights with no defends. There R many good Karate guys out there, also in his style Karate kyokushin. But he is not as good as people want him to be
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz The fighters you say are good in Kyokushin learned everything from the Shihans who learned from Sosai then passed down the knowledge. So he plainly did something right. I don't know if you've even TRIED Kyokushin; if you haven't you have no place in this conversation. If you've trained Kyo past white belt then you would at least know that anyone even semi serious about this MA has tremendous heart that comes from the foundation. But if you were around to witness Oyama let me know. Osu.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse Yes there R great fighters that come from kyokushin, but also there are many great fighters that come from other Karate Styles. I feel Karate is just Karate, with a little differentses and different kata or kumite. Yes I did Kyokushin and I also did Wado Ryu that has more grapplin in it. Kyokushin I was a green belt and Waydo Ryo I was a brown belt, so you can say i know a little Karate. I dont hate Oyama, I think he was a great teacher. But I have my doubts with him being a fighter.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz He did a 300 man kumite. Why would records say he did this if he didn't. And in those days it wasn't his students he was sparring with, it was other fighters from other styles. I disagree that all Karate is just Karate, mostly because I've visited some dojos that don't even have a style, they're just called Karate, and the quality is poor. I also had a friend over from Europe who was brown belt Shotokan who had trouble keeping up in Kyokushin; how hard we hit etc. I find Kyo very diff.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse well its very simple its not the style who wins a battles but the person does. So I believe Karate is just Karate in its base. and that Kyokushin punch higher from the waist than shotokan are just little differences. About Oyama, well i got my believes and you got yours. Im happy with that. no hard feelings.
minasz 1 year ago
@H0useMouse wrong!your style uses hands very limited way and in tournaments they even dont protect face!this type o fkarate are meant for attacker with body like oyama, small men cant fight like that.so the syles are for different body size.that style works only if u have very strong body otherwise better use other ones.
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee You obviously don't know much about Kyokushin, or you've had a limitted experience. Or else you'd know that we do protect the face...from kicks. We are not allowed hand attacks to the face. What you're saying about size is total bullshit, I train with all sizes, from dwarves to fridges, and they can ALL do something well, and they can ALL handle the training. I'm female, and the men I spar with are surprised at how hard they're able to hit me without any complaint. You show no respect.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse in real situation u cant use much of your beloved art because its too limited.yes u protect face from kicks but not from hands thats very bad habit. can u win any man with bigger size, no u cant.be realistic. there are other ways to overcame size much deeper and much deeper level training needed.after u learn it u know that all this karate was just way of muscles not way of real art.woman must learn sensitivity and use that not just attack like man!wake up:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee I'm wide awake. Have you EVER taken Kyokushin past the lower belts? It desn't sound like it. We DO practice how to defend against attacks to the face. But in sparring we don't hit in the face or we'd all end up in the hospital! YOU wake up, you simple-minded biased creature. I have a much deeper understading of Kyokushin than you will ever have. Learn respect for other MA beause as long as you don't have that you're disrespecting yourself, your MA and your teachers.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse leave your training and learn something fresh also:)then came back to your style and see limits of that style:)
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee I've trained other MA. Stop trying to act smart, you know nothing of my background and experience, nor how I train, so stick your nose somewhere else. Every sport, ever art, everything human has limitations. But in my heart I know Kyokushin has something special that not all MA's have. I didn't even like it at first, something happened and my heart opened to it, so there is no bias here. You're one to talk of limits...you who disrespect a style you can't even begin to comprehend.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse
limits dont exsist
shadowcar88 1 year ago
@shadowcar88 In this Universe they do. Hydrogen atoms can't have more than one proton, no matter how much we might want otherwise. Any more or less protons and it wouldn't be a Hydrogen atom. Flying without technology for humans is right now impossible. Physical limitation exists, I don't care what anyone says. Mental limitation is different, but even there it's ambiguous.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse pffft.
You don't understand when I say "limit's dont exsist" do you? nothing is impossible. I don't care what scientifical reasoning you put in front of me. I don't care how stupid or foolish I sound. I will remain to believe nothing is impossible. that is my way. also, fighting is also :)
shadowcar88 1 year ago
@shadowcar88 fighting is amazing*, basically a never give up speech I put out there :)
shadowcar88 1 year ago
@shadowcar88 You can jump off a cliff and fly without help? You can time travel? You can shoot yourself into outer space without suffocating or being burnt by the radiation of the Sun? Wow you're amazing. No limitations at all.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@supralee - the thing about kyokushin is that you will bring down your opponent before he brings you out. take a notice that most of kyokushin fights end up with knock out. and that`s the whole idea. second thing - it`s obvious that this is a full contact style so don`t be so supprised that kyokushin adepts are training a lot if it goes to strenght. and at the end - trust me, this style is good enough to take out most of people you encounter on the street. what is better? a hand gun.
wolverinek84 1 year ago
@minasz He just owned like 5 dudes in 20 seconds and you still have your doubts that he could "fight"? Whats wrong with you! lol
aryul 1 year ago
@aryul Hee Bro! hahah Sorry but this is how it I look at it. I did Kyokushin and I have Kyokushin friends and they R real good fighters. But when Im watching that fight against the Bull hahahah I feel its like a joke. Cant help it. Also did you see when he was in korea. And he showed what to do when somebody attacks hahaha so funny. Slapstick..
minasz 1 year ago
This guy must have been a flippin freak train. Yeesh, I shudder everytime I see that one right at 0:10.
demboys18 1 year ago
Why is everyone bickering? You have a video in front of your face telling you how good Oyama was. Not to mention degrading the Kyokushin founder is disrespectful and dishonorable to all kyokushinkai, and to yourselves, your own martial art, and the sensei's who taught you.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse OSU
richardd2063 1 year ago
this is fake, it's a sparring session. oyama is so old in this video he needs the hubble telescope to read the paper.
muskie1976 1 year ago
stupid. only people that do not fight cand belive thouse images
TheAeroth 1 year ago
Acting
yimmiytube 1 year ago
@ 9 secs u can see he punched him right in the face but from the other angles it looks like it was blocked. it actually wasnt. so its possible this was legit in my opinion.
hayjoe123 1 year ago
he is a legend man..he had over 30 million students all over da world, he fought around 110 great fighters include black cobra(he was a legend king of kickboxing), turkey king's kindom master, japanes ninja and so on....n he barely lost 1 or so.... come on man
He is the BEAST
whitevear 1 year ago
@whitevear That is all a complete lie!
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
@whitevear lmao you know those people dont exist right? black cobra was no legend king of kickboxing, and oyama never fought anyone credible.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
remember people, its the practioner who makes the art. what ever style you do, its what you put into it that makes it work. how much you pratice and pratice. oyama put his work in and developed kyokushin. bruce lee put his work in and developed jeet kwoon do. in asia its thier tradition, here in the US it becomes money. its hard to find a good school now a days that teaches the real thing
edlo123 1 year ago
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tmurphy30000 1 year ago
9- If he was alive today I am sure mma fighters would go to him for stand up training and he would be putting his own mma fighters in the ring. In its time Kyokushin karate was way ahead of its time and oyama would not let it get left behind
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
6-The reason he has a big belly is because he loved food, he would make his students eat till they had to puke.
7-There is heaps of evidence to support all of his clams he is widely accepted in the martial arts world" he would not be if he was a fake".
8-He once killed a man with one blow "this is not a story but a fac supported by evidence.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
What evidence?
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
3- Yes kyokushion karate is a very strong stand up style. Any art that has strengths have weakness so on the ground it is very week, that being said no one knew about grappling till the early 90s and this does not show mas oyama skills on the ground" judo at the time look a lot more like bjj.
4- You never want to be on the ground in a street fight in less you have too.
5-Many great fights have been trained by oyama and kyokushion like all the K-1 fighters.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
Lets get some shit straight for some of those key board warriors.
1- Mas oyama had many well documented fights all over the world and won them all most by knock out.
2- He had many well train fighters and kyukoshin fighters did very well in K-1.
3-MMA is just a name, Oyama had fights all over the world against many very strong opponents of all different are arts including boxing and america wrestling, which makes him a MMA fighter but more like the early ufc's.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
It's a very foolish effort to slander a gigantic figure like Mas Oyama, renowned and respected by the world.
kivaavikkiva 1 year ago 2
Dear Kivaavikkiva,
You are plainly a mental retard. Go to sleep.. but before you do so, plug your mouth with cotton wool, for there is ignorance flowing from it!
Koensol 1 year ago
Dear Koensol,
Peace be with you brother
kivaavikkiva 1 year ago
@kivaavikkiva
He was a fraud, plain and simple. A liar. Some great fighters have come form KK though, but Oyama himself wasn't a proper fighter.
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
How would you know? How could some one who "wasn't a proper fighter" win fights all over the world and train some of the best fighters of his time.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
Like who? Who has he beat?
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
pro boxer's and wrestlers in the US. not sure who i can look that up.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
you dont realize that oyama was a utterly completely and throughly amazing! he made a new type of Karate.... he could drop 20 easily.... He fought bulls and killed them with his bare hands, so "bigdaddycoolshoes" Its not bull and they did not drop for him
Kal8900 1 year ago 19
@Kal8900
He didn't he was crap.
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
May I ask Bigdaddycoolshoes what you do for training?
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
probably just typing on his keyboard, disrespecting masutatsu oyama is as big an insult as disrespecting bruce lee.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
Just trying to get people to open their eyes. Believe what you like, but the facts are stacked against Oyama. His wild claims can not be backed up.
bigdaddycoolshoes 1 year ago
@SamuiHakai lol both frauds, wow the shit you retards believe.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@thecrazyoftheinsane frauds? lets see you prove it, you may be amazed at the things I believe, but I find it amazing how narrowminded you people are.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
@SamuiHakai im not narrowminded at all, like you i believed that mas oyama was some kind of crazy martial artist that would rip the hearts out of bulls ect. i was in grade 7; recently i tried to research the topic and i saw that in the videos of bull killings and his fights, you can see that he fought no one credible and the bulls he fought were just tiny cows with horns, watch the videos. Stories are blown way out of proportion over time. its funny that you believe anything you hear though.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@thecrazyoftheinsane I don't believe anything I hear, but when the entire martial arts community recognizes someone, its for good reason. Masutatsu Oyama never had any rumor about ripping hearts out, he did chop a bull's horn off. Yes because all fights are recorded on video right? He fought MANY credible people, I don't know what kind of research you did, but apparently it wasn't enough. I've seen much crazier things in my life than some of the things you can't seem to be able to believe.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
@SamuiHakai see, you just gave me a bunch of opinions with no fact or evidence. Give me some credible people he fought, and no i dont mean tai chi warriors i mean actual named fighters during when he was alive, and not the fake muay thai fighter he fought that he beat with a "triple ariel kick". Ive seen the fights he had recorded on video and there just awful. They say he chopped horns of but he didnt, show me an example. i can show you him wrestling a small cow with horns though.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@thecrazyoftheinsane hey mate. small cow or not fighting and animal like a bull or cow and killing it with bare hands isnt an easy thing to do, and he did take horns of bulls sometimes while they were alive some times not but either way until you can kill a cow or bull with ur hands alone i wouldn't try and question anything that has been said abouut oyama
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xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx 1 year ago
@xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx lmfao look at the video and talk to me afterwards. Its actually hilarious. Mas oyama goes for a chop at the small cows horns. Right before mas oyamas hand touches the cow, the camera changes n focuses on the ground and then it looks like some fucker just threw a cow horn on there. lmfao watch it, youll laugh.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@Kal8900 if you look at the videos, he fought small cows that had horns.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@Kal8900 You know the bull thing was fake right? Some of his old disciples denounced it. And the only footage of him fighting one is actually him fighting an old, dying ox - whose horn they hit with a hammer first.
jitteryjoe 1 year ago
@jitteryjoe In this video you can see this man is no fighter!
minasz 1 year ago
O S U
MasOyama10dan 2 years ago
No one could fight 300 full contact bouts on the trot. It is bollocks. Unless people were paid to drop for him. Explain how he got his arse kicked my a Wado student in Tatsuo Suzuki's Dojo then?
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
@bigdaddycoolshoes crazy, i never heard about this before.. where could i learn more about this??
johneykang 2 years ago
@johneykang
Just search about on the internet. Even some of his students have spoke out about his claims. Read what Jon Blumming has to say, or what Steve Morris thinks. There are loads. Honestly, I'm not trolling, just trying to get some sense of reality going here. There is also a book by a guy called Tadashi.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
john bluming doesnt know shit about kyokushin karate and he likes to talk shit behind other people's back. Just read on his website about how childish he talks behind the back of respected people in karate.
In his organization u can become a blackbelt without even training karate, u just have to pay enough money.
So i dont really trust what he says.
About the other rumours i dont know so can't give any opinion about it
FaridYM 1 year ago
Nobody an say that karatekas don't do well or ''dominate'' UFC GSP learnt kyokushin anderson silva learnt maui taui (dunno correct spelling) and many others also know different syles of karate
xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx 2 years ago
@xXKYOKUSHINSTUDENTXx I'm assuming maui taui is muay thai...thaiboxing :) But i agree, most MMA fighters have had some form of karate training....if nothing else, kickboxing was derived from karate, kung fu and taekwon-do
veshkeat 2 years ago
dimpu and Muraku are correct. Kyokushin alone far outclasses the majority of what MMA has to offer with the exception of some submissions. I've taken a few classes myself and I had to stop sparring because it hurt. I was wearing protective gear as well, which normally isn't allowed.Kyokushin is to MMA, as Tyson is to a 15 year old amatuer boxer. Not much chance...
KingKrimson89 2 years ago
@KingKrimson89 than why dont we see karatekas dominating everyone in the UFC
hazard2000 2 years ago
UFC or any other MMA company isn't for everyone who trains.
KingKrimson89 2 years ago
@KingKrimson89 stupid fucking idiot, if that was true Kyokushin karateka would be dominating in MMA, ive only sparred a kyokushin karateka once and all I had to was take him down and he was basicaly useless
hazard2000 2 years ago
Wow! Such man can defeat you only by looking at you! :D Did you see his fist bones???!!!
lileulileu 2 years ago
i don't see any bones...only rocks. very fast rocks.
roundhouseJIZZ 2 years ago
Look at this old mother fucker? who the hell SHE think SHE is? going riot on a moronic follower, any street punk would destroy HER PUSSIES face
456daking 2 years ago
what does that even mean?
KingKrimson89 2 years ago
Any world class top mma fighter would beat this dude just because of the training
thefury187 2 years ago
Do you know who mas oyama is ? do some research dude. He's stronger than a mma fighter
GevryVince 2 years ago
@GevryVince No shit i know who he is lol im just saying in a fight a mma fighters stamina training would over come him in his prime it would be a different story but in old age no....
thefury187 2 years ago
maybe :P but you have to admit that he's a great fighter =D
Ps: sorry for my english, im quebecor :P
GevryVince 2 years ago
@GevryVince I never said he wasnt a good fighter he would straight whoop any normal persons ass
thefury187 2 years ago
ok :)
GevryVince 2 years ago
THEFURY187,really pathetic how america is fascinated with non sense mma.mas oyama need not defeat an mma fighter an ordinary kyokushin black belt will break mms fighters jaw with 1 massive blow.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
Dont call me out like that motherfucker i aint tryna hear that
thefury187 2 years ago
what did i call you ?? oh yeah you're that tough son of a slut,inshalla have the guts come face me bastard learn to mind your language ass hole.
fucknut i warn you dont call our sensei with any disrespect.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
and your sensei would want you actin like that because of some childish attitude about someone thinking they diserve proof,
RageMysterio 2 years ago
OOPS SORRY RAGEMysterio.let me tell you mas oyama first learnt his martial art of kung-fu/wushu.then taekwondo,then went on to become emperror of karate.
MMA is good and effective in its style but its wrong to say karatekas have no chance to MMA FIGHTERS. coz after all in kyokushin they confer a blackbelt only after 20 men: 1 black belt.. full contact kata/kumite.PEACE BUDHA LOVES YOU.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
RageMysterio,,i dunno about OTHER MARTIAL ARTS BUT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 1 INFO.MASTER OYAMA IS THE ONLY KARATEKA WHO FOUGHT 300 MEN KUMITE NON-STOP FOR 3 DAYS,& WAS STILL ASKING FOR MORE.& THOSE WHO FOUGHT HIM WERE AT LEAST A BLACK BELT TO 9 DANS OF KARATE.& WERE ALL DEAD TIRED ATE 3 DAY OF NON-STOP FIGHTING..NO ONE HAS BROKE HIS RECORD TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
i know well the history of master oyama, he inspired me much as i create my own hybrid style. but any way I never said anything bad about him, so calm down, nor did I say i was more a supporter of what, I enjoy watching mma, but I train traditional, because i enjoy it more. you so damn excited your trying too tell people off who share your respect. Im just saying aint no need for you too make threats on youtube. you think master oyama would want you threatening someone because comments on youtub
RageMysterio 2 years ago 3
yup ,,,,ok man i apologise for my arrogant behaviour.sosai & budha never preached violance & arrogance.peace.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
HAHAHA! if that were true there would be karateka in the UFC, karateka get dominated by real fighters
hazard2000 2 years ago
in yo dreams right? hahahahahah.have you seen a kyokushin black belt? fighting art was created and ruled by karatekas.not some fu-man-choooos.hahahah.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
@hazard2000
??? The world champion in the UFC is a shotokan karateka - Lyota Machida.
NicholasPersaud 2 years ago
@NicholasPersaud his version of karate is modified and he also has a black belt in BJJ and trains Muay Thai, hes not a karateka hes an MMA fighter
hazard2000 2 years ago
so a karateka has too only train karate, and tis rule was set by whom
RageMysterio 2 years ago
are you serious? UFC is so overtly biased towards grappling that it's nothing but a joke. In a REAL fight (an MM artist vs Oyama) Oyama would win hands down, because he could use techniques that are illegal in UFC but are taught in Karate.
temperex 1 year ago
you dont think in a real fight an MMA fighter would be able to use those techniques better oyama? espically since most of these illegal moves your talking about you cant really practice against a real oppononent
hazard2000 1 year ago
With his fighting ability's he really wouldn't need to use any illegal moves To win mma.
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
last time i checked no mma fighter trained hard enough to be able to kill a bull with their bare hands, and chop off its horn, once again with bare hands.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago 28
And last time I checked this dude never killed a bull and never chopped off the horn u fucking clown
thefury187 1 year ago
you should check again Mas Oyama did
tmurphy30000 1 year ago
He did. I have a friend who has the issue of Black Belt, or something that has that article in it. He was a student of Kyokushin in the 70s. The claims are legit. If you research, there are photos as well.
NismoJoeB13 1 year ago
well thats because your research fails you
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
Well said SamuiHakai =)
NYKgjl10 1 year ago
@SamuiHakai dont believe every story you get told without criticism
and please dont start this ''MMA vs karate''' bullshit. an MMA fighter would no doubt lose in a kyukushin tournament, just as mas oyama would lose against a decent heavyweight MMA fighter in a cage fight.
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking There is a lot of documented informaton on masutatsu, you can choose to believe or disbelieve all you want, it doesn't concern me. I am not starting a MMA vs TMA argument, the argument itself is silly , but please do not group people who fought for their lives and who fight professionally in the same category. MMA is simply a title and does not guarantee any level of skill, and on that note heavyweight fighters in MMA and especially UFC tend to be shoddy.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
@SamuiHakai what does shoddy mean?
i know being an MMA fighter doesnt guarantee any level of skill, when it comes to fighting, and neither does a black belt in kyukushin. but being a successful pro fighter in a real organization like UFC, wont happen if you arent at the top
aaaanyway, just thought it was a funny comment ''mma fighters dont fight bulls''. lol no, but they fight well rounded athletes who can fight in all distances. and they do it for a living. i find that more impressing
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking Shoddy, as in sketchy or questionable. Correct a belt guarantee's nothing either, well...99% of the time. Am I saying all non TMA artists are useless trash that couldn't fight off a crippled grandma in a bare fist brawl? no. Why do I bring up the topic of oyama and the bulls? because he was recorded for it, and is well known for it. Can I tell you for certain that he chopped off its horns with his bare hands? no.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking , I wasn't there but the research and things I've seen over the years makes it very believable to me. Like I said before you're free to disbelieve or believe, it hardly matters much. Am I saying that bull fighting is the standard for people who can fight? no, but once again "pro-fighters" tend to be shoddy and over-rated. Am I saying that pro-fighters aren't impressive? no, I just respect people who literrally had to fight for their lives more, in any case thats my two pennies.
SamuiHakai 1 year ago 9
@SamuiHakai yeah that's incredible, but the bull had a nose ring and a rope attached to it. So the bull was helpless. Still tho... he did chop off it's horn.
heavenmonkey1 8 months ago 2
Helloooo, they filmed him with drugged-up bulls. You have seen a film of him here. He was famous, so any fight he could have been involved with, or any so-called challenge he accepted, would have been filmed. Ueshiba is on film doing demo's. There are loads of examples. He never fought! FACT!
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
look at his age on this vids..
do you think that when he was young everyone had a video camera?
and nothing to do but to film his fights?
martial arts weren't so popular as nowadays.
..go to school
kowal885 2 years ago
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PhoenixNinjaBlack 2 years ago
Spectacular Mas Oyama.
SPECTACULAR KYOKUSHIN.
Italodancers 2 years ago
Well, where are the videos of Oyama's real fights then? He never had any. He was a novice with absolutely NO real fight experience.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
hellooo he lived 1923 - 1994
not nowadays you idiot when every fight is filmed....
so stick your MMA in your ass and shut up.
kowal885 2 years ago
Idiot. He has been recorded as winning an extraodinary amount of fights. I hate idiots who can't fight themselves who speculate about martial arts. Kyokushin is generally accepted asth #1 Karate in Japan, And The Current Sancho, Shokei Matsui, holds the record for youngest man to win the world martial arts championship.Kyokishin owns.
Muraku666 2 years ago
His brain-washed hero-worshippers will probably come on here and tell you he can beat Lesnar with just his little finger! They probably reckon that isn't fat, just a really big massive muscle!
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
with all due respect to the guy who's supposed to the 'kick-ass' here...
Thats guys really some overweight doesh & I bet any MMMA/ UFC fighter would take him out STAT!!!
Hell I'd challenge that geezer for sure...
flowdynamic 2 years ago