Catch wrestling is so dangerous to use though because the principles are so submission based and not position based Sakuraba and Josh Barnett and other great Catch wrestlers are very good at what they do but it is almost becoming a fading art because of BJJ guys being so technically sound Most BJJ practitioners especially in a Gi would never try to attack like this because it is much more difficult than Saku makes it appear and if it fails u get 1 advantage they they can from there get 4 points
its a shame this guy started to get his ass kicked in pride because they had him fight all the big gorillas......the open weight system is fucked up !
@thetruthis9 what's funny is Ryan Gracie took his back then pulled away with the quickness as if to say "screw that!" lol. Least he learned from Renzo's fight with Saku in that respect.
ROLLING KEYLOCK OR KIMURA...SWEET MOVE! I WOULD HAVE LOVE TO SEE SAKU IN HIS PRIME STEAMROLL THROUGH UFC'S BEST TODAY! TAPPIN OUT DUDES LEFT AND RIGHT!
@yamchaken05 Yes, catch is more aggressive as far as submissions whereas jiu jitsu is more emphasized on position and submission. I favor Catch over BJJ.
...Umm I don't know why the title says jiu jitsu for? Sakuraba is a prized Catch wrestler trust me those jiu jitsu boys esp the BJJ fanatics do not like him. haha
@hellsing061678 Catch Wrestling owns BJJ all day. Hence the reason why Saku beat half the damn Gracie clan, LOL. Saku's Catch is so good that Rickson Gracie retired from the sport, SMH. Rickson Gracie is such a pussy. 400-0, my ass. Ron Tripp slammed him like a bitch.
@hellsing061678 ,CAtch wrestling ,is the future of MMA,and rightfully so; GRECO_ROMAN and FREE_STYLE wrestlers,for sometime,know dominate ADCC(KERR vs SPERRY,or KERR vs MACHADO) making BJJ underdog!! None of those champions(wrestlers,I mean) stand a chance ,against a CATCHIST!!!
The Roman gladiators were, as you all probably know, fierce wrestlers and boxers. They, and the sports predecessors, the Greeks, applied various submission holds in their brutal fights (pankration). They also used some kicks.
Catch wrestling is cool, of course one must love bjj but catch is more exotic. : )
Catch-wrestling is not born anywhere. It is various styles of folk wrestling merged together, where it can include any and every grappling art it pleases, as it is determined by the practitioner.
Greco-Roman is allegedly Greek in origin, but it is heavily based off French philosophies.
Saying catch wrestling is a mix of judo and wrestling is incorrect. Ad Santel would have liked to have a word with you. If you want to combine wrestling and judo, you get Mitsuyo Maeda, forerunner to BJJ.
c'mon, Kazushi is old nowman, you gotta respect this athlete, he beat all the Gracies, Ralek got him at the end of his career,keep fighting after so many years and still giving a show, i wanna see Ralek fight Matt Huhghes or someone at his level, Sakuraba doesnt have to proove anything to no one, you may be a Gracie family fan, nothing against it, im from Brazil and also a bjj practioner and Sakuraba is an exemple to any mma fan and aspiring competitor.
@SkemeKOS lol you're comparing a 24 year old and much larger Ralek to a 41 year old Saku? Even in that match yes Ralek had top position most but it was 2-1 in favor of Saku when it came to good submission attempts.
If you want to learn these moves then study American Catch Wrestling. If you are serious about it then check out Tony Cecchine he teaches using correct principles.
I'm not talking about greco roman wrstling. Pancraction was the start of catch wrestling which was later refined in America by travelling carnival wrestlers. Look it up. Its silly to argue about anyhow its a great system who gives a shit where it started.
Knowing them,permit the catch wrestler to bit BJJ in grappling and not ,for example, airborne punch to the man on bottom;Tony's GUARD PASS ,while hooking the
knee and twisting is 3 submission in one move! WATCH TONY ,his technics are
@hector17dead Have you ever trained with Tony? I'm guessing not because he is a top notch guy. He's been around a long time and really knows his stuff.
@hector17dead I don't even know who Tony Cecchine is, but i already know your an idiot. thumbs down for you and thumbs up for shadowman's original post
@hector17dead well you are entitled to your opinion however skewed it may be. I've been in martial arts for 30 years and I know good and bad martial artist when I see them, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Tony to anyone looking to up their ground game.
@hector17dead Jake Shannon, who is not a catch wrestler, has never beat anyone either and he is the only one in the CACC community who doubts Cecchine. Hell even Josh Barnett endorses Cecchine.
ahahahha it wont work in 90% cause if wrestler grabs its very hard to counter,and besides wrestlers are very strong ppl do you really think that they will get to you theyr arm so easy))?
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japanese are very bad wrestlers every one knows that the best wrestlers in the world are russian and im a wrestler and i know what can work against trained wrestler and what cant,also im a combat sambo practisioner,i even trained with fedor emelianenko in stariy oskol so go fuck youreself you cunt
If you use race to compare fighting techniques, you're a fucking idiot. Also, if asians are bad wrestlers, explain how the best wrestlers in the world use Ju Jitsu, and Sumo. On a side note, from the knowledge you have demonstrated in the prior comments, you know shit about fighting/wrestling.
you stupid cunt i never saw how good mma fighter use sumo cause its stupid the best mma fighter is fedor emelianenko and he is master of best fighting style nowdsays combat sambo that was created in early 1930 4 russian specnaz i m not a rasist a respect judo and juejitsu BUT judo and JUejitsu arnt realy wrestling arts you stupid moron they are more likely throwing and submiting ,youcants submit in wrestling,4 about 20 years russian are winning just about90%of all olimpic wrestling championchips
That's pretty fucking funny, Because the light heavyweight champion of the world uses it. LYOTO MACHIDA. You really don't know what you are talking about. WRESTLING IS ABOUT SUBMISSION. A REAL COMBAT SYSTEM IS TO KILL. + sambo is not even fucking allowed in the olympics you twat. It is collegic style. SAMBO IS ABOUT SUBMISSIONS, YOU DUMBFUCK. HAHAHA. Please, for your own good, just stop, and I will not continue to embarrass you, aside from the horrid spelling and grammar.
you dont know nothing about sambo dont you))?just googl eit before typing such shit you dumb ass twat,only than write sambo was created 4 speciall USSR organizacions and later it evolved in combat sambo that is eaven more dangerous,wrestling isnt about of submission you can us esubmissions in wrestling only if you r making tushe after trow you canpresure his chest dont eaven argue<or just google basic wrestling rules before writing you twat
Okay. Let me talk slowly for a second: Sambo is NOT FOR SPORT, YOU EVEN SAID THAT. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NEED TO PIN SOMEONE IN A REAL FIGHTING SITUATION!? The real reason for sambo was to dismember people through submissions.
Well, we should admit that. Combat Sambo today is the top martial art in the world. I don't think any other martial art can get close as far as completeness and lethality is concerned. And, no, I'm not Russian.
Hmm, I have to say that it is damn close! There are just so many great martial arts out there. Karate is also great as well as ju jitsu (japanese). Definitely one of the best.
@ryo1999 i'm not russian but does your comment based on the fact the fedor emelianeko is the best mma fighter in the world cause i dont think it is. i just think fedor is the most bad ass out there
then you should already know Fedor has said a few times in interviews that Sakuraba was the best fighter he's ever seen. Not bad for a 180 lb Japanese wrestler who's used this move or a transition from this move to beat world class wrestlers such as Kevin Randleman. vernon white, not to mention quite a few of the worlds most elite GJJ players.
he also said htat mirco was the bes tfighter he ever seen and that fight with him was his toughest and show me the video when he uses this transition with kevin!
i don't have a link. i saw it on hdnet a while back. also on a Pride show that use to air on fox sports net where he was interviewed. ask for the kevin randleman fight. you can type in saku vs randleman and find it. Randleman has his back, he uses the kimura to force him into an awkward position then transitions it into an armbar.
your stupid its as good as all armbars and triangle you can get and look at the triangle its a hard position to get but once its on your finish. same as a kimura of any other lock or choke you applied. the human arm has not change from ten years ago it's still THE SAME AND THE KIMURA STILL WORKS
I haven't been caught in Kimura for years, except by a BJJ black belt who had me on my back and who's a kimura expert. Apart from him, nobody taps me in this hold
your dumb if you think the kimura is over rated key locks are the shit come over to my gym ill show you! fiedlers mix martial arts mukilteo washington
Thats the double wrist lock as they say in Catch wrestling, it's in the Farmer burns re-print of his book, it's also in a Ju-jutsu book around the same time, advertised in the U.S, which is the reason Farmer burns chose to put it in, since it was always in Catch wrestling, you'll find alot of Ju-jutsu and catch techniques are based on the same principles but for different circumstances.
Turning your back when someone shoots on you is just dumb. Against a good wrestler you won't break his grip that easily and will get taken down. And the shot sucked too.
CACC (Catch as Catch-Can) Wrestling vs BJJ... my own opinion, having done both, is that they compliment each other perfectly. You can slip from one to the other as you need to (i.e. Catch is aggressive BJJ is passive agressive).
All this arguing about the "best" styles is childish. All styles have their strengths and weaknesses, which is why the best fighter combines elements from them all.
Just because Fedor has a Sambo background doesn't he goes "I'm not learning BJJ technique since it's not Sambo," that'd be stupid. The modern MMA fighter integrates all the facets of various fighting disciplines (boxing, muay thai, BJJ).
Gracie BJJ came in an era where everybody was about stand-up. That's why it was powerful.
Sakuraba is a legend! I would love to see him facing Rickson, it is the only Gracie left for him. By the way, i think Rickson would win, he should take the challange!
you think rickson would win..LOL..dude,rickson face sorry fighters in his mma career,bjj say hes a legend n all that,yeah he's a legend in bjj tournaments,but not in mma,most complete mma fighter would rape the gracies,saku did it,matt hughes,dan henderson n heck bj penn show that a mma fighter that cross trains will beat a dude that rely only on bjj,like michael bisping said,"doing bjj is good,but doing it while punch in the face is a whole different game"..so where are the gracies now..
That's BS... Rickson fought the best guys at the time, and at that time they were not complete fighters. They were doing vale tudo in brazil long before ufc. You're comparing Rickson to guys that came after him. He's a legend because he dominated. It's because of the Gracies that other fighters started to complete their game. When Rickson was fighting, all the best fighters were in brazil and in japan, so that's where he fought.
he didn't fight Sakuraba, Didn't fight Bas rutten. They were around while Rickson was still fighting. he said he could beat them both. They challanged him and he backed down.
Ude- garami sumi gaeshi.'judo' . great fighter and how he adjuste his techniques, i watch some of his video and i like thise guy. his very stratigic fighter , i like that .
Arona was atleast 20 Ibs heavier than Saku.Whether people like it or not in his prime Sakuraba was considered the best pound 4 pound fighter in MMA. Only a fool would question Ricksons abilities but in terms of MMA he simply doesn't compare to Saku.
And the funny thing is most of them have a black belt in bjj. Plus, its hard to find pure bjj guys nowdays or pure striking fighers. Fighters evolve and take the best out of styles. Just remember this "bjj is a must in mma". You either learn it to defend submissions or to do submissions. Every single wrestler at least learns the basics of bjj. Even Fedor has to study bjj so he doesn't get beat by bjj guys. And what the fuck is your problem with jacare, marcello, werdum, and maia?
Yes Wandi did beat Saku 3 times, but you really can't call him a BJJ fighter. He uses his mui thai rather than much of a ground game. his 20lb weight advantage didn't hurt either. Either way he was an amazing fighter aswell as Saku
The thing is people like you think that fighters learn bjj to submit their opponents. Fighters also learn bjj for ground defense and submission defense which is what Wanderlei does. He used his bjj to shake off Sakuraba and pound him standing up. Either way bjj was present in the three fights.
ya wandy beat him but not with bjj skills... wand owned him with strikes... this guy is talking about pure bjj fighters.. royler, royce, renzo etc... whens the last time you saw wand in a technical groud fight?
My point is more valid than valid. Everytime Sakuraba took down Wanderlei, Sakuraba couldn't submit him or do anything to him because of his "bjj" training. Sakuraba couldn't submit Wanderlei cuz of his "bjj" get it. But, Wanderlei kicked his ass with strikes. And Sakuraba has never won the adcc. Bjj owns you and sakuraba just face it.
you're rite bjj owned saku.... no wonder they called him the gracie hunter.... wedum ya he got melted, jacare was ko'ed from the bottom, marcelo well he should just stick to bjj competitions, bj he quit after the 4th round....but never mind that, you're rite bjj owns everything...
has rickson ever fought anyone that has real credability? NOOO! of course, he turned down a fight with bas rutten and mark kerr 9 years ago. name one bjj based fighter besides penn that holds a mma world title.... you can't.. bjj fighters are not affective if you know how to defend subs.... there sitting ducks if they can't get you to the ground... and that rickson shit... please, he wouldn't last a minute in todays game...
and your reply shows how uniformed you are... george st. pierre is kyo kushin based karate fighter, not bjj.....anderson silva is a boxing/muay thai based fighter not bjj... frank mir's base is american wrestling, not bjj... carlos condit, not even top 10... bjj is something you just need to know how to defend, after that bjj just gets owned... (jacare, marcello, werdum, maia) those are bjj based guys if you didn't know the difference....
My friend he hasn't beat Rickson because Rickson has backed down over and over again. Rickson's own family has said he counts practice with his students as victories. Sakuraba has fought the best BJJ purists out there though; gracie family, belfort, newton and beaten them . He lost to Kimo in an NHB fight where he was getting eye gouged and fishhooked and gave up 60lbs to Kimo. BJJ is a strong base, but it's not the only base.Fedor doesn't train in BJJ he trains in Sambo submission fighting.
actually Nog won by decision and what does he outweigh Saku by 30? 40?
Arona beat him pretty badly true so did Wandi, but lets face it they didn't use bjj. both used thai boxing. plus both outweigh saku by 20lbs. I never said Saku is unbeatable there's no such thing in MMA, specially when if you're like Saku you fight the best in the biz, but when you say BJJ is what beat him it's pretty false if you watch the actual fights. Asside from Kimo Saku's only ever been beaten by strikers. and a slam
I said asside from Kimo because Kimo's is the only person to actually submit Saku. It wasn't a worked fight though, it was an NHB fight. Saku knew going in there were no rules so I have to consider it a good win for Kimo, though i think if it were a more traditional MMA fight Saku submits him.
shut up faggot. U don't know shit. U think Wandy beat Saku by using BJJ? BJJ is just mandatory that everybody has to learn upto certain degree even if ur a stricker. SAKU was just getting old.
@panther2552 And the Gracie's are not the best BJJ guys out there anymore and even at that point (except for Rickson). What you have to consider is the physical advantage Sakuraba had and the striking advantage. He didn't beat pure BJJ with pure grappling, he beat it with by being the superior athlete and fighter.
@Andsormida01 Actually Gracies are the "Best BJJ fighters" when it comes down to fighting someone who has no clue about ground fighting. But when you do put the Gracies in the "ALL Categories", they are not the best fighters.
BJJ was some new trick in the beginning in UFC, which does not represent real fight, but MMA setting fight. Now, yeah many learned BJJ, not to be tricked again. As matter of fact, BJJ itself is fake. All the technique comes from traditional jiu-jutsu, except how to takle down on soft matted ground and in MMA rule which does not represent real fight criteria which other martial arts use. If one can bite, 80 percent of BJJ skills are useless. Bruce Lee showed it. Bitting, eye gauging, groin attack
Bjj is fake? Vale Tudo is fake? MMA is fake? Everything you say is fake. Bjj is the real thing. You don't think bjj practioners can eye gouge, hit groin or scratch? I'm pretty sure if you got a full mount you can easily gouge and scratch. Bjj does come from jujutsu, nobody is saying otherwise. Bruce Lee was a film star don't confuse movies with reality. In the streets people still get tackled and taken down in concrete. Sorry to break it up to you kid, but bjj is what makes MMA.
Yeah, BJJ plays a huge part in MMA. Without it, MMA is just mainly standup and wrestling. There's other ground-based submission fighting arts but they don't incorporate a wider field of techniques like BJJ. So, yeah, BJJ put MMA/NHB fighting on the map as far as popularity. Always think of Royce Gracie, my friends.
You are seriously retarded. You praise a fake idol. What did Saku do in mma? Beat the Gracies, well he is not the only one. If that is his biggest accomplishment in life, than he must of had no mma career.
I didn't say the technique used in BJJ is fake. Read carefully u shit head. 90% of the technique in BJJ came from traditional jiujuts or other submission martial arts. The only thing that they invented was taking down to utilize those skills. It's MANDATORY in MMA. Without Jiujuts, there is no BJJ. What did Saku did? He shattered the illusion that the Gracies had, the BJJ is the ultimate fighting system in MMA. Yeah, Saku familiarized in BJJ, but he acquired skills from wrestling to beat BJJ.
This is where we come again. Saku beat the Gracies we understand that. But, has Saku beat every top bjj player in the world? The answer is no. Saku didn't beat bjj he beat the Gracies. And yes pure bjj against other pure styles is the "ultimate fighting system".
right, we come here again. Read right, he destroyed the thought that Gracie had, which is BJJ is the ultimate fighting system. Saku beat all the Gracies who were pure BJJ practioners. Others who beat Saku knew some BJJ, but it's other factors that best Saku, not the BJJ skills that they had. BJJ is just something that evolved from other traditional grapplings and it's just usefull mandatory TRICK for MMA. U can't call it ultimate FIGHTING system. Nothing is ultimate in real fight.
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Bjj is no trick, more than 45% of all mma fights end up in submission. Boxers, wrestlers, karatekas, etcet. use bjj. Saku got the choked the fuck out by kimo. What did kimo use? He used bjj. So, sakuraba is just a myth. He never won any mma title. His greatest achivements were defeating 4 Gracie members. You call that an achivement? Seriously, if that was his biggest achivement than he must of been a crappy mma fighter.
u just don't get it. yes, they know SOME BJJ in order for them to deffend themselves from BJJ. Saku got chocked out by kimo. Yeah, I didn't say he's invincible, what about it? He's myth? how about rickson gracie being myth. He beat some sucky Japanese fighters and others when BJJ is just new trick in MMA when MMA itself was pretty new. Now, the trick is exposed, it's not as dominant as before. After that he keeps say he will fight, but has he? he back the FUCK down. Seriously,Rickson's big mouth
BJJ is just something u should know not to be DUMB in MMA. It's not DOMINANT at all. Ur like a little boy who's arguing if TKD is better or KARATE is better. Anybody who feel like to Believe in a SYSTEM has fear deep inside.
If Bjj is not the dominant art in MMA than what is it??? You better not say wrestling, boxing or Muay Thai. Believe or not some systems are better than others.
What's dominant in MMA? the technique that are well adopted regarding the figher's style and talent. How Saku beat other fighters other than the Gracies? cuz he knew what he could and should do in different situation, which means he's a great fighter. Look at Wandy.He knows some BJJ, so he was able to deffend himself against Saku's submission, but he beat Saku by his boxing and Muay Thai.If ur a boxer who don't know nothing about BJJ, u will be submitted.If ur pure BJJ who can't hit, same shit
Wandy knows some bjj, lol you are funny. He is a black belt in bjj. Anyways, I agree with you. It depends on how you manipulate systems to your advantage. But, bjj players who can't hit aren't always screwed. Look at Royce Gracie. Strikers who don't know wrestling or bjj 95% are screwed.
WHAT THE STUPID MAN CALL THAT JIU JITSU?
THIS IS STUDENT OF PRO-WRESTLERS
CATCH AS CATCH CAN (BASIC)
Specially Billy Robinson
XtremeSyndicatePro 2 months ago
Sakuraba rules ,and dnt need roids as gracie did to fight him .
Garrikpz 3 months ago
This guys ears are bigger than Mickey Mouse's - someone put down a glue trap, QUICK!
gaBehcuoDsuoitneterP 5 months ago
i swear you can see kimura doing this in an old black and white film.... lol he does like a million kimura set ups in it i think its on the youtube
lagook 6 months ago
Catch wrestling is so dangerous to use though because the principles are so submission based and not position based Sakuraba and Josh Barnett and other great Catch wrestlers are very good at what they do but it is almost becoming a fading art because of BJJ guys being so technically sound Most BJJ practitioners especially in a Gi would never try to attack like this because it is much more difficult than Saku makes it appear and if it fails u get 1 advantage they they can from there get 4 points
agmart100 6 months ago
I am totally doing this in my High school wrestling matches!
kevluv93 6 months ago
@pfdrpg Do you mean is it killing the BJJ guys?
Szellemkutya2 7 months ago
its a shame this guy started to get his ass kicked in pride because they had him fight all the big gorillas......the open weight system is fucked up !
ronnied828 9 months ago
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh this is awesome!!!!
WarriorBoy 10 months ago
Sakuraba is very smart and have superior skills on escape, he must be study hard and find out theloopholes on BJJ's movement.
big2me 1 year ago
sakuraba will give up his back voluntarily and laugh at his poor opponent for thinking he is in a dominate position...
thetruthis9 1 year ago 7
@thetruthis9 what's funny is Ryan Gracie took his back then pulled away with the quickness as if to say "screw that!" lol. Least he learned from Renzo's fight with Saku in that respect.
panther2552 1 year ago
ROLLING KEYLOCK OR KIMURA...SWEET MOVE! I WOULD HAVE LOVE TO SEE SAKU IN HIS PRIME STEAMROLL THROUGH UFC'S BEST TODAY! TAPPIN OUT DUDES LEFT AND RIGHT!
dagreatcapri82 1 year ago
Sakuraba's kimura techniques are legendary.
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naharakalani 1 year ago
to all the Sakuraba Haters.. well fuck you guys.. you must be a member of the gracie fucking family..
he is the TRUE GRACIE HUNTER,,,
he has nothing to prove..
lol he is very humble yet very Good in what he does.. so fuck off haters,.
RESPECT to SAKURABA from the Philippines
lordswit6666 1 year ago 2
Sakuraba!
shaun0069 1 year ago
note to the person who posted this. Jiu Jistu and Catch wrestling are too different styles
yamchaken05 1 year ago
@yamchaken05 Yes, catch is more aggressive as far as submissions whereas jiu jitsu is more emphasized on position and submission. I favor Catch over BJJ.
OmarDelfinity 1 year ago
@OmarDelfinity yes so do I =) I love wrestling =)
yamchaken05 1 year ago
THE GRACIE HUNTER!
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
if there is anybody in the world who can defeat the gracies it is Sakuraba much respect
TravisDrago 1 year ago
@TravisDrago
I agree with that....Ralek Gracie seemed to have a hard time on him
raonipaes 1 year ago
Go Catch!
luchador1764 1 year ago
...Umm I don't know why the title says jiu jitsu for? Sakuraba is a prized Catch wrestler trust me those jiu jitsu boys esp the BJJ fanatics do not like him. haha
Go Catch!!
bananabread119 1 year ago
@bananabread119 Yeah, except when, you know, one of the leaders of the Gracie clan, Renzo, lost to him and showed him mad respect and got it back.
Ligierthegreensun 1 year ago
its about time Catch started getting its fair run as a valuable grappling skill!
hellsing061678 1 year ago
@hellsing061678 Catch Wrestling owns BJJ all day. Hence the reason why Saku beat half the damn Gracie clan, LOL. Saku's Catch is so good that Rickson Gracie retired from the sport, SMH. Rickson Gracie is such a pussy. 400-0, my ass. Ron Tripp slammed him like a bitch.
TGUNZ562 1 year ago
@TGUNZ562 ,Damn right!!!,the guard pass ,I saw from TONY,
would send many BJJ to EARLY RITIRED HOME ,with PERMANENT HIP damage!!!
MegaHitman666 1 year ago
@hellsing061678 ,CAtch wrestling ,is the future of MMA,and rightfully so; GRECO_ROMAN and FREE_STYLE wrestlers,for sometime,know dominate ADCC(KERR vs SPERRY,or KERR vs MACHADO) making BJJ underdog!! None of those champions(wrestlers,I mean) stand a chance ,against a CATCHIST!!!
MegaHitman666 1 year ago
@MegaHitman666 In the context of ADCC - Josh Barnett, a catch wrestler, was both submitted and beaten by points against Mark Kerr.
Yojimbo1717 1 year ago
PANKRATION IS THE ROOTS OF catch wrestling AND MMA AS A SPORT AND A ART.
REALJOHNYCAGE 1 year ago
The Roman gladiators were, as you all probably know, fierce wrestlers and boxers. They, and the sports predecessors, the Greeks, applied various submission holds in their brutal fights (pankration). They also used some kicks.
Catch wrestling is cool, of course one must love bjj but catch is more exotic. : )
Catch + kickboxing (Y)
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SazabLiwopu 2 years ago
Catch-wrestling is not born anywhere. It is various styles of folk wrestling merged together, where it can include any and every grappling art it pleases, as it is determined by the practitioner.
Greco-Roman is allegedly Greek in origin, but it is heavily based off French philosophies.
Saying catch wrestling is a mix of judo and wrestling is incorrect. Ad Santel would have liked to have a word with you. If you want to combine wrestling and judo, you get Mitsuyo Maeda, forerunner to BJJ.
Nunnayadambiness 2 years ago
sakuraba is the gracie hunter!
hes excelent on what he does
masondarko 2 years ago 21
@masondarko He is excellent at kicking Gracie ass, that is for sure... LOL
TGUNZ562 1 year ago 2
@masondarko
he didnt do too good a few months ago when he lost to ralek gracie.
ralek gracie is the sakuraba hunter!
hes excellent at what he does.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
He's a little late isn't he?
c'mon, Kazushi is old nowman, you gotta respect this athlete, he beat all the Gracies, Ralek got him at the end of his career,keep fighting after so many years and still giving a show, i wanna see Ralek fight Matt Huhghes or someone at his level, Sakuraba doesnt have to proove anything to no one, you may be a Gracie family fan, nothing against it, im from Brazil and also a bjj practioner and Sakuraba is an exemple to any mma fan and aspiring competitor.
respect.
masondarko 1 year ago
@masondarko
Yeah, I know. I respect Sakuraba a LOT.
I was just saying that he cant beat all the gracies...now that hes older of course.
I understand that.
And yeah, im a BIG gracie fan. But Sakuraba is awesome too.
They all have my respect.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS
same here, i like to mix styles and work out what is best for me
i love the gracie family, but sakuraba is a virtuoso and legend. i dont see why people have to pick one or the other
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
@TruNikkaz
exactly! i love the gracie family too but sakuraba is fucking awesome as well.
i have nothing but respect for them.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago 2
@SkemeKOS lol you're comparing a 24 year old and much larger Ralek to a 41 year old Saku? Even in that match yes Ralek had top position most but it was 2-1 in favor of Saku when it came to good submission attempts.
panther2552 1 year ago
@panther2552
no, im not comparing them. im just saying that ralek beat him...which he did.
plain and simple.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
If you want to learn these moves then study American Catch Wrestling. If you are serious about it then check out Tony Cecchine he teaches using correct principles.
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Judo will teach you this.
judopathoftruth 2 years ago
Catch wrestling is born in BRITAIN :).
samluke8121 2 years ago
Actually the greeks and romans started catch wrestling.
shadowman45810 2 years ago
No you're wrong that was Greco -Roman wrestling, Catch wrestling was born in Lancashire,England NOT America.
samluke8121 2 years ago 2
I'm not talking about greco roman wrstling. Pancraction was the start of catch wrestling which was later refined in America by travelling carnival wrestlers. Look it up. Its silly to argue about anyhow its a great system who gives a shit where it started.
shadowman45810 2 years ago
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umm no retard, catch-wrestling is a combination of judo and wrestling.
So basically it's East meets West
pieceofparadox 2 years ago
I love little kids like you who start out a rebuttle with "retard" showing your age and lack of wisdom.
shadowman45810 2 years ago
you have a homo avatar.
pieceofparadox 2 years ago
@shadowman45810 ,Tony ceccine technics are devastating;
Knowing them,permit the catch wrestler to bit BJJ in grappling and not ,for example, airborne punch to the man on bottom;Tony's GUARD PASS ,while hooking the
knee and twisting is 3 submission in one move! WATCH TONY ,his technics are
devastating!!!
MegaHitman666 1 year ago
I have all of Tonys videos he is brilliant, Tony and I are both Coaches in Russell
Stutely's OCFM system thats where I first learned about Tony. I reccomend to everyone who wants to up there ground game check out Tony Ceccine!!!
shadowman45810 1 year ago
@shadowman45810 Shut up
Amyas80s 1 year ago
@Amyas80s whats up with that? Sakuraba is great but so is Tony, that was my only point no need to be pissy
shadowman45810 1 year ago
@shadowman45810 Catch wresting was bought to America from British immigrants.
samluke8121 1 year ago
@samluke8121 I don't really care who brought it here, I was just saying its a great system.
shadowman45810 1 year ago
@samluke8121 what's the diff between wrestling & catch wrestling?
Uberboy07 1 year ago
@Uberboy07 Catch wrestling is a style of submission wrestling.
samluke8121 1 year ago
@shadowman45810 You forgot, Phony Cecchine never wrestled/beat ANYONE. He just makes stupid claims that he's not capable of backing up.
hector17dead 7 months ago
@hector17dead Have you ever trained with Tony? I'm guessing not because he is a top notch guy. He's been around a long time and really knows his stuff.
shadowman45810 7 months ago
@shadowman45810 Phony Cecchine is a joke.
hector17dead 7 months ago
@hector17dead I don't even know who Tony Cecchine is, but i already know your an idiot. thumbs down for you and thumbs up for shadowman's original post
mjsstujo1 7 months ago
@mjsstujo1 He's endorsed by Lou Thesz one of the greatest Catch wrestlers ever. reckon that means something.
panther2552 7 months ago
@hector17dead well you are entitled to your opinion however skewed it may be. I've been in martial arts for 30 years and I know good and bad martial artist when I see them, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Tony to anyone looking to up their ground game.
shadowman45810 7 months ago
@hector17dead Jake Shannon, who is not a catch wrestler, has never beat anyone either and he is the only one in the CACC community who doubts Cecchine. Hell even Josh Barnett endorses Cecchine.
beowulflokison 5 months ago
@shadowman45810
American Catch-Wrestling?
I didn't know AMERICAN Catch-Wrestling even existed, I always thougt it was only English and French/German.
Electronic91Videos 3 months ago
@Electronic91Videos look up Tony Cecchine
shadowman45810 3 months ago
@Electronic91Videos yeah look up Tony Cecchine as I posted above, he's the man.
shadowman45810 3 months ago
@shadowman45810
Cool, I will try to find some videos of him.
Electronic91Videos 3 months ago
i need to learn this
sk8pirata 2 years ago
ahahahha it wont work in 90% cause if wrestler grabs its very hard to counter,and besides wrestlers are very strong ppl do you really think that they will get to you theyr arm so easy))?
VAINAH92 2 years ago
tell that to Sakuraba, you moron
and what about he is a wrestler himself?
iamjason 2 years ago 3
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japanese are very bad wrestlers every one knows that the best wrestlers in the world are russian and im a wrestler and i know what can work against trained wrestler and what cant,also im a combat sambo practisioner,i even trained with fedor emelianenko in stariy oskol so go fuck youreself you cunt
VAINAH92 2 years ago
1. You didn't train with Fedor.
2. You can't place ethnicities in a categorical ranking of wrestling/fighting. It differs too much from person to person.
conceptualanarchist 2 years ago
1 yes i did h eoften comes to combat sambo schools,so if you dont know than don say nothing
2 sure i can
VAINAH92 2 years ago
If you use race to compare fighting techniques, you're a fucking idiot. Also, if asians are bad wrestlers, explain how the best wrestlers in the world use Ju Jitsu, and Sumo. On a side note, from the knowledge you have demonstrated in the prior comments, you know shit about fighting/wrestling.
conceptualanarchist 2 years ago 2
you stupid cunt i never saw how good mma fighter use sumo cause its stupid the best mma fighter is fedor emelianenko and he is master of best fighting style nowdsays combat sambo that was created in early 1930 4 russian specnaz i m not a rasist a respect judo and juejitsu BUT judo and JUejitsu arnt realy wrestling arts you stupid moron they are more likely throwing and submiting ,youcants submit in wrestling,4 about 20 years russian are winning just about90%of all olimpic wrestling championchips
VAINAH92 2 years ago
That's pretty fucking funny, Because the light heavyweight champion of the world uses it. LYOTO MACHIDA. You really don't know what you are talking about. WRESTLING IS ABOUT SUBMISSION. A REAL COMBAT SYSTEM IS TO KILL. + sambo is not even fucking allowed in the olympics you twat. It is collegic style. SAMBO IS ABOUT SUBMISSIONS, YOU DUMBFUCK. HAHAHA. Please, for your own good, just stop, and I will not continue to embarrass you, aside from the horrid spelling and grammar.
CodyAllenmusic 2 years ago
you dont know nothing about sambo dont you))?just googl eit before typing such shit you dumb ass twat,only than write sambo was created 4 speciall USSR organizacions and later it evolved in combat sambo that is eaven more dangerous,wrestling isnt about of submission you can us esubmissions in wrestling only if you r making tushe after trow you canpresure his chest dont eaven argue<or just google basic wrestling rules before writing you twat
VAINAH92 2 years ago
Okay. Let me talk slowly for a second: Sambo is NOT FOR SPORT, YOU EVEN SAID THAT. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NEED TO PIN SOMEONE IN A REAL FIGHTING SITUATION!? The real reason for sambo was to dismember people through submissions.
CodyAllenmusic 2 years ago
sambo no wis sport years ago was a killing teqniq just like judo and if you dont know about sambo dont say
VAINAH92 2 years ago
Well, we should admit that. Combat Sambo today is the top martial art in the world. I don't think any other martial art can get close as far as completeness and lethality is concerned. And, no, I'm not Russian.
ryo1999 1 year ago
Hmm, I have to say that it is damn close! There are just so many great martial arts out there. Karate is also great as well as ju jitsu (japanese). Definitely one of the best.
CodyAllenmusic 1 year ago
i'll disagree respectfuly. the art doesn't matter so much as the fighter does. all comes down to who knows how to use their art best.
panther2552 1 year ago
@ryo1999 ,BOTH SPORT and COMBAT SAMBO are that!
I think(not sure) that TONY CECCINE ,was previousley a SAMBIST.
MegaHitman666 1 year ago
@MegaHitman666 Naw, Tony Cecchine is a straight up "Hooker" Catch Wrestler under Lou Theiz.... No Sambo involved. Sambo is the shit, too, though.
TGUNZ562 1 year ago
@ryo1999 i'm not russian but does your comment based on the fact the fedor emelianeko is the best mma fighter in the world cause i dont think it is. i just think fedor is the most bad ass out there
Pandabearmadness 1 year ago
then you should already know Fedor has said a few times in interviews that Sakuraba was the best fighter he's ever seen. Not bad for a 180 lb Japanese wrestler who's used this move or a transition from this move to beat world class wrestlers such as Kevin Randleman. vernon white, not to mention quite a few of the worlds most elite GJJ players.
panther2552 2 years ago
give me a link pls!!
he also said htat mirco was the bes tfighter he ever seen and that fight with him was his toughest and show me the video when he uses this transition with kevin!
VAINAH92 2 years ago
i don't have a link. i saw it on hdnet a while back. also on a Pride show that use to air on fox sports net where he was interviewed. ask for the kevin randleman fight. you can type in saku vs randleman and find it. Randleman has his back, he uses the kimura to force him into an awkward position then transitions it into an armbar.
panther2552 2 years ago
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VAINAH92 2 years ago
MMA had a big influence from japanese fighting/ grappling style. Don't deny that
chingvang559 2 years ago
from judo yes but it has even more influence from russian sambo and classical wrestling)
VAINAH92 2 years ago
and gracie family members lol
sk8pirata 2 years ago
Kimura was a good technique 10 years ago. It's mostly very easy to defend and is overated
figthersdreams 2 years ago
your stupid its as good as all armbars and triangle you can get and look at the triangle its a hard position to get but once its on your finish. same as a kimura of any other lock or choke you applied. the human arm has not change from ten years ago it's still THE SAME AND THE KIMURA STILL WORKS
joeladobes 2 years ago
I haven't been caught in Kimura for years, except by a BJJ black belt who had me on my back and who's a kimura expert. Apart from him, nobody taps me in this hold
figthersdreams 2 years ago
your dumb if you think the kimura is over rated key locks are the shit come over to my gym ill show you! fiedlers mix martial arts mukilteo washington
cadillacboi420 2 years ago
muy buena
MrPorlas 2 years ago
I think Saku's a good fighter, but what works for him won't work for most people.
phildip 2 years ago
sorry accidentally gave you thrumbs up.
ajdaemon08 2 years ago
Saku's instincts are on par with Fedor's.
KS is my favorite fighter of all time.
He was magic, no question.
The original pound for pound king who made his weigh ins with water bottles & books added to the scale.
XCRIDER 2 years ago
sakuraba one of the best grappler's in the world. (broke Renzo Gracie's arm with this same move like 7 years ago or so)
1Mrflawless 2 years ago
dislocated.
sjl36 2 years ago
But wouldn't the man holding him just keep a strong grip cause it looked like he just let his other hand off.
afuroSAMURAI 2 years ago
if your good at picking the thumbs off, its pretty easy to break a grip
TheDocbach 2 years ago
obviously here he let go a lil for demonstration purposes. Applying pressure to the thumb area of the palm is a way of breaking grips pretty easily.
panther2552 2 years ago
Thats the double wrist lock as they say in Catch wrestling, it's in the Farmer burns re-print of his book, it's also in a Ju-jutsu book around the same time, advertised in the U.S, which is the reason Farmer burns chose to put it in, since it was always in Catch wrestling, you'll find alot of Ju-jutsu and catch techniques are based on the same principles but for different circumstances.
LosBats 2 years ago
Turning your back when someone shoots on you is just dumb. Against a good wrestler you won't break his grip that easily and will get taken down. And the shot sucked too.
phildip 2 years ago
he's done it several times in matches and against great wrestlers including kevin randleman who outweighed him by 30-40 lbs.
Saku's the guy that showed MMA that givng your back up isn't death. And yes he broke Renzo Gracie's arm with that move.
panther2552 2 years ago
he did this to the gracies bro
iwanttofight69 2 years ago
We call this move "the Sakuraba". Awesome stuff, very effective.
chillout010 2 years ago
Sakuraba is the man!
AmericanCombatAssoc 2 years ago
What is Sakurabas primary style(s) when it comes to submission grappling? Anyone know?
frost310 2 years ago
I don't know what his style is but THAT is a typical Judo technique.
Hotora86 2 years ago
catch can wrestling is his primary submission style.
panther2552 2 years ago 4
Catch Wrestling aka Prowrasslin.
kirokyukan 2 years ago
catch wrestling is the kyptonite of bjj
wade2bosh 2 years ago
CACC (Catch as Catch-Can) Wrestling vs BJJ... my own opinion, having done both, is that they compliment each other perfectly. You can slip from one to the other as you need to (i.e. Catch is aggressive BJJ is passive agressive).
yoshiofdeath 2 years ago 3
that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. where's all the catch wrestlers winning ADCC then?
lolll666 2 years ago
All this arguing about the "best" styles is childish. All styles have their strengths and weaknesses, which is why the best fighter combines elements from them all.
Just because Fedor has a Sambo background doesn't he goes "I'm not learning BJJ technique since it's not Sambo," that'd be stupid. The modern MMA fighter integrates all the facets of various fighting disciplines (boxing, muay thai, BJJ).
Gracie BJJ came in an era where everybody was about stand-up. That's why it was powerful.
sugasugaki 2 years ago 5
Sakuraba is a legend! I would love to see him facing Rickson, it is the only Gracie left for him. By the way, i think Rickson would win, he should take the challange!
aconchon 2 years ago
you think rickson would win..LOL..dude,rickson face sorry fighters in his mma career,bjj say hes a legend n all that,yeah he's a legend in bjj tournaments,but not in mma,most complete mma fighter would rape the gracies,saku did it,matt hughes,dan henderson n heck bj penn show that a mma fighter that cross trains will beat a dude that rely only on bjj,like michael bisping said,"doing bjj is good,but doing it while punch in the face is a whole different game"..so where are the gracies now..
fmoa 2 years ago
much respect for what the gracies have accomplished but youre absolutely right.
sjl36 2 years ago
That's BS... Rickson fought the best guys at the time, and at that time they were not complete fighters. They were doing vale tudo in brazil long before ufc. You're comparing Rickson to guys that came after him. He's a legend because he dominated. It's because of the Gracies that other fighters started to complete their game. When Rickson was fighting, all the best fighters were in brazil and in japan, so that's where he fought.
masterblastertkd 2 years ago
he didn't fight Sakuraba, Didn't fight Bas rutten. They were around while Rickson was still fighting. he said he could beat them both. They challanged him and he backed down.
panther2552 2 years ago 2
Ude- garami sumi gaeshi.'judo' . great fighter and how he adjuste his techniques, i watch some of his video and i like thise guy. his very stratigic fighter , i like that .
neomauresque 2 years ago
bjj sux :S
didnt rickson tap out takada 2x
renzo> otsuka
nogeuria> barnett
the list goes on
mike2613 2 years ago
Arona was atleast 20 Ibs heavier than Saku.Whether people like it or not in his prime Sakuraba was considered the best pound 4 pound fighter in MMA. Only a fool would question Ricksons abilities but in terms of MMA he simply doesn't compare to Saku.
eltubster14 2 years ago 4
By the way he lost to Kimo Leopoldo by triangle submission. I guess he wasn't that good after all.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
1. It was a fixed fight
2. Kimo outweighed Saku by 60 pounds.
3. Kimo was playing dirty, using eye gouges and fish hooks.
Face it, Saku is great.
SqueakPredictions 2 years ago
If Sakuraba is so good why doesn't he beat the fuck out of everybody in the adcc.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Kazushi Sakuraba gracie hunter :D
BJJ sux and this man showed it to the world and beat the shit out of that poor litle gracie kid
his brother was forced to trow tovel in to ring.....
helio nearly shit his pants an cried, epic !
Sakuraba never trained in BJJ there are lot of grapling techniques int dont have to be bjj fuck faces...
BonAquak 2 years ago 3
You just jelous of bjj aren't you?
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
And the funny thing is most of them have a black belt in bjj. Plus, its hard to find pure bjj guys nowdays or pure striking fighers. Fighters evolve and take the best out of styles. Just remember this "bjj is a must in mma". You either learn it to defend submissions or to do submissions. Every single wrestler at least learns the basics of bjj. Even Fedor has to study bjj so he doesn't get beat by bjj guys. And what the fuck is your problem with jacare, marcello, werdum, and maia?
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Sakuraba rules..anti BJJ killing machine!!!!
EvilWilderness 3 years ago
A black belt in bjj named Wanderlei Silva murdered Sakuraba 3 times in a row.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Yes Wandi did beat Saku 3 times, but you really can't call him a BJJ fighter. He uses his mui thai rather than much of a ground game. his 20lb weight advantage didn't hurt either. Either way he was an amazing fighter aswell as Saku
panther2552 2 years ago
The thing is people like you think that fighters learn bjj to submit their opponents. Fighters also learn bjj for ground defense and submission defense which is what Wanderlei does. He used his bjj to shake off Sakuraba and pound him standing up. Either way bjj was present in the three fights.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
ya wandy beat him but not with bjj skills... wand owned him with strikes... this guy is talking about pure bjj fighters.. royler, royce, renzo etc... whens the last time you saw wand in a technical groud fight?
lanzedom 2 years ago
The point is Sakuraba couldn't defeat Wanderlei's bjj.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
your points not valid... saku couldn't defeat wands chute boxe technique... my money say saku owns wand in an abu dahbi format match...
lanzedom 2 years ago
My point is more valid than valid. Everytime Sakuraba took down Wanderlei, Sakuraba couldn't submit him or do anything to him because of his "bjj" training. Sakuraba couldn't submit Wanderlei cuz of his "bjj" get it. But, Wanderlei kicked his ass with strikes. And Sakuraba has never won the adcc. Bjj owns you and sakuraba just face it.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
you're rite bjj owned saku.... no wonder they called him the gracie hunter.... wedum ya he got melted, jacare was ko'ed from the bottom, marcelo well he should just stick to bjj competitions, bj he quit after the 4th round....but never mind that, you're rite bjj owns everything...
lanzedom 2 years ago
Has Saku ever beat Rickson? NOOO! Ofcourse, bjj owns everything, they own the adcc, mma, and other competitions.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
has rickson ever fought anyone that has real credability? NOOO! of course, he turned down a fight with bas rutten and mark kerr 9 years ago. name one bjj based fighter besides penn that holds a mma world title.... you can't.. bjj fighters are not affective if you know how to defend subs.... there sitting ducks if they can't get you to the ground... and that rickson shit... please, he wouldn't last a minute in todays game...
lanzedom 2 years ago
Ok, let me name a few out of my head Anderson Silva, Georges St-Pierre, Carlos Condit, and soon Frank Mir.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
and your reply shows how uniformed you are... george st. pierre is kyo kushin based karate fighter, not bjj.....anderson silva is a boxing/muay thai based fighter not bjj... frank mir's base is american wrestling, not bjj... carlos condit, not even top 10... bjj is something you just need to know how to defend, after that bjj just gets owned... (jacare, marcello, werdum, maia) those are bjj based guys if you didn't know the difference....
lanzedom 2 years ago
My friend he hasn't beat Rickson because Rickson has backed down over and over again. Rickson's own family has said he counts practice with his students as victories. Sakuraba has fought the best BJJ purists out there though; gracie family, belfort, newton and beaten them . He lost to Kimo in an NHB fight where he was getting eye gouged and fishhooked and gave up 60lbs to Kimo. BJJ is a strong base, but it's not the only base.Fedor doesn't train in BJJ he trains in Sambo submission fighting.
panther2552 2 years ago 2
He beat some bjj purists, but got fucked by other bjj players, Arona, Wanderlei, and Nogueira.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
actually Nog won by decision and what does he outweigh Saku by 30? 40?
Arona beat him pretty badly true so did Wandi, but lets face it they didn't use bjj. both used thai boxing. plus both outweigh saku by 20lbs. I never said Saku is unbeatable there's no such thing in MMA, specially when if you're like Saku you fight the best in the biz, but when you say BJJ is what beat him it's pretty false if you watch the actual fights. Asside from Kimo Saku's only ever been beaten by strikers. and a slam
panther2552 2 years ago 3
I wouldn't say asside from Kimo.
Im pretty sure Saku could have beaten Kimo later down the road if a rematch had happened.
Plus, Half of Saku's matches that he lost were supposed to be No contests or another round, but he was hurt in them
Like his, i think, second match against Wanderlei, His fight against Cro Cop, and against Igor.
SqueakPredictions 2 years ago
I said asside from Kimo because Kimo's is the only person to actually submit Saku. It wasn't a worked fight though, it was an NHB fight. Saku knew going in there were no rules so I have to consider it a good win for Kimo, though i think if it were a more traditional MMA fight Saku submits him.
panther2552 2 years ago
Aye, Im pretty sure Saku could beat him.
SqueakPredictions 2 years ago
shut up faggot. U don't know shit. U think Wandy beat Saku by using BJJ? BJJ is just mandatory that everybody has to learn upto certain degree even if ur a stricker. SAKU was just getting old.
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago
Agreed
cerebralassassin78 2 years ago
@panther2552 And the Gracie's are not the best BJJ guys out there anymore and even at that point (except for Rickson). What you have to consider is the physical advantage Sakuraba had and the striking advantage. He didn't beat pure BJJ with pure grappling, he beat it with by being the superior athlete and fighter.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 Actually Gracies are the "Best BJJ fighters" when it comes down to fighting someone who has no clue about ground fighting. But when you do put the Gracies in the "ALL Categories", they are not the best fighters.
OVERCAPITALIZE 2 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE That's what I said.
Andsormida01 2 months ago
BJJ was some new trick in the beginning in UFC, which does not represent real fight, but MMA setting fight. Now, yeah many learned BJJ, not to be tricked again. As matter of fact, BJJ itself is fake. All the technique comes from traditional jiu-jutsu, except how to takle down on soft matted ground and in MMA rule which does not represent real fight criteria which other martial arts use. If one can bite, 80 percent of BJJ skills are useless. Bruce Lee showed it. Bitting, eye gauging, groin attack
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago
Bjj is fake? Vale Tudo is fake? MMA is fake? Everything you say is fake. Bjj is the real thing. You don't think bjj practioners can eye gouge, hit groin or scratch? I'm pretty sure if you got a full mount you can easily gouge and scratch. Bjj does come from jujutsu, nobody is saying otherwise. Bruce Lee was a film star don't confuse movies with reality. In the streets people still get tackled and taken down in concrete. Sorry to break it up to you kid, but bjj is what makes MMA.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Yeah, BJJ plays a huge part in MMA. Without it, MMA is just mainly standup and wrestling. There's other ground-based submission fighting arts but they don't incorporate a wider field of techniques like BJJ. So, yeah, BJJ put MMA/NHB fighting on the map as far as popularity. Always think of Royce Gracie, my friends.
dagreatcapri82 2 years ago
You are seriously retarded. You praise a fake idol. What did Saku do in mma? Beat the Gracies, well he is not the only one. If that is his biggest accomplishment in life, than he must of had no mma career.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
I didn't say the technique used in BJJ is fake. Read carefully u shit head. 90% of the technique in BJJ came from traditional jiujuts or other submission martial arts. The only thing that they invented was taking down to utilize those skills. It's MANDATORY in MMA. Without Jiujuts, there is no BJJ. What did Saku did? He shattered the illusion that the Gracies had, the BJJ is the ultimate fighting system in MMA. Yeah, Saku familiarized in BJJ, but he acquired skills from wrestling to beat BJJ.
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago
This is where we come again. Saku beat the Gracies we understand that. But, has Saku beat every top bjj player in the world? The answer is no. Saku didn't beat bjj he beat the Gracies. And yes pure bjj against other pure styles is the "ultimate fighting system".
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
right, we come here again. Read right, he destroyed the thought that Gracie had, which is BJJ is the ultimate fighting system. Saku beat all the Gracies who were pure BJJ practioners. Others who beat Saku knew some BJJ, but it's other factors that best Saku, not the BJJ skills that they had. BJJ is just something that evolved from other traditional grapplings and it's just usefull mandatory TRICK for MMA. U can't call it ultimate FIGHTING system. Nothing is ultimate in real fight.
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Bjj is no trick, more than 45% of all mma fights end up in submission. Boxers, wrestlers, karatekas, etcet. use bjj. Saku got the choked the fuck out by kimo. What did kimo use? He used bjj. So, sakuraba is just a myth. He never won any mma title. His greatest achivements were defeating 4 Gracie members. You call that an achivement? Seriously, if that was his biggest achivement than he must of been a crappy mma fighter.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
u just don't get it. yes, they know SOME BJJ in order for them to deffend themselves from BJJ. Saku got chocked out by kimo. Yeah, I didn't say he's invincible, what about it? He's myth? how about rickson gracie being myth. He beat some sucky Japanese fighters and others when BJJ is just new trick in MMA when MMA itself was pretty new. Now, the trick is exposed, it's not as dominant as before. After that he keeps say he will fight, but has he? he back the FUCK down. Seriously,Rickson's big mouth
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago 2
Stop bringing in the Gracies, bjj is more than Grracies now. Bjj it's still dominant and it will be forever.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
BJJ is just something u should know not to be DUMB in MMA. It's not DOMINANT at all. Ur like a little boy who's arguing if TKD is better or KARATE is better. Anybody who feel like to Believe in a SYSTEM has fear deep inside.
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago 2
If Bjj is not the dominant art in MMA than what is it??? You better not say wrestling, boxing or Muay Thai. Believe or not some systems are better than others.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
What's dominant in MMA? the technique that are well adopted regarding the figher's style and talent. How Saku beat other fighters other than the Gracies? cuz he knew what he could and should do in different situation, which means he's a great fighter. Look at Wandy.He knows some BJJ, so he was able to deffend himself against Saku's submission, but he beat Saku by his boxing and Muay Thai.If ur a boxer who don't know nothing about BJJ, u will be submitted.If ur pure BJJ who can't hit, same shit
brazilianspiritzz 2 years ago 7
Wandy knows some bjj, lol you are funny. He is a black belt in bjj. Anyways, I agree with you. It depends on how you manipulate systems to your advantage. But, bjj players who can't hit aren't always screwed. Look at Royce Gracie. Strikers who don't know wrestling or bjj 95% are screwed.
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