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  • how the fuck did a ron paul supporter end up in the top comments? it's the complete laissez-faire bullshit he supports that got communities like the south bronx into this horrible predicament in the 20th century.

  • Wow.

  • Detroit has nothing on this

  • @JHulse29 100% True, never has and never will

  • hi ive lived through 1970 and 1980s i was 10 so i grew up in those days i would like to know what are the 3 movies that are in the video.

  • no wonder theres so many nutters in America. i cant imagine any sane person living in these shitholes.

  • @Brad6785..No, the jewish slumlords who owned those buildings were burning them down for the insurance money!

  • Hey, for all the Hip hop/Graffiti fans watching this, spot the PHASE 2 tag at 4:45.

  • I miss the Bronx when it looked like downtown Beirut. People not from the city never believe me when I say it use too look like this...City was way cooler when it wasn't safe for women and children. Unfortunately my parents got tired of us being rob and stuck up by gun point and force us to move to the suburbs but I STILL WENT BACK ON MY OWN AND HAD A BLAST...coool place to live.

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  • iS THAT BERLIN OR BAGDAG?

  • WHAT A FUCCC! What happened hear?

  • @evolvedresolve It's a myth that Chernobyl (in fact - Pripyat - abandoned city nearby ChNPP ) is looks like S.Bronx , Pripyat is more green than your ghetto and there isn't any destructions

  • Late 70's baby here, born and raised in the Boogie Down. I remember how things use to be, however all of the south bronx did not look like this. I remember when crack hit, I remember the shoot outs, but I also remeber longgggg (and I mean long) hot summers, having no pool so we opened "the pump" and playing in the streets, the block parties, and SURVIVAL. Our grandparents knew how to survive and we always had food. The bronx has come a long way since then. Still proud!

  • my god!!!! this place looks like shit!!! this place is probably 10 times worst then the ghettos in Chicago!!!!

  • fuck i miss being a kid

  • This is a mazing OMG...

  • JUNGLE BRONX

  • RON PAUL 2012

  • Wow looking at this video, I grew up In these streets like this. I live In Florida now ,I live very well, Those streets made me a good ,strong man. I'm glad I came up there.

  • its funny because the bronx used to be a middle class irish neighborhood until some fuckwit decided to build projects there and move in a bunch of black people from the south. Then they proceded to kick out the former residents irish black italian anyone who was living here so when the people with money and buisnesses packed up and left there were no jobs and it just got fucked up

  • @TheCriton my god these negros are truly foul, disgusting, stank, smelly, and just plain horrific whores.

  • Looks like WW2 Germany.

  • How many people ended up rolled in a carpet and left here !

  • Hey look its T.I. @ 2:16

  • i used to live in queens and whenever i used to go to bronx, i always thought it was the worst looking borough. but holy crap, 30 years ago it loooked way worse than i could ever imagine. ppl make the mistake of living there cause it has low rents. but it has no safety. i would rather pick safety over rent prices.

  • the future of pawtucket and central falls

  • This looks like a post-apocalyptic movie, lol.

  • @BloodskullMannoroth Sadly, it is. Black neighbourhoods are slowly destroying America. They need to work and contribute to society. Look at any black city in America if you disagree. Detroit, Baltimore, St Louis, New Orleans hmm? All over 80% black. All the murder capitols of America for the last decades.

  • @gamefan4071 All falling apart infrastructures and destroyed burnt buildings and prostitutes.

  • @gamefan4071 They're all largely the product of the "war on poverty" and the "war on drugs." What the "war on poverty" did to inner city blacks in 20 years is what Jim Crow laws couldn't do in 100 years.

  • I checked out Jumel and 168th st on Google earth, and it is not the same place anymore. Amazing transformation.

  • Most if not all of the major cities had areas that looked like this in the 70s - 80s. The industrial age had pretty much ended, we where at the end of the Vietnam war, and the economy was horrible. Things got better shorty after the Reagan years. We boomed until 2008. The bad, good ole days are coming back right now. Wars, and a busted economy are on tap for the next several years if not decades. We have one shot to turn it around. RP2012!

  • @62636263c boomed until 2008 hahaha you fucking idiot after 2001 your country took a nose dive after bush wrecked it wake up you right wing idiot

  • @mlutzy Apparently you know nothing and would be better off not speaking.

  • @mlutzy That's what I figured, closed account.

  • @62636263c Yeah but not on this scale. Almost the whole city looked like this. And no city had complete neighborhoods destroyed. The South Bronx was like Iraq and Afghanistan put together. And for a city touted as the greatest city in the world which it was called back in those days as it is today, It should have never looked like this. This makes Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, LA and New Orleans look tame.

  • @PsychoNYC718 It would make perfect since for a city of this magnitude to have slums of equal magnitude. The haves will always be surrounded by the have nots.

  • at 1:30 - was that Pinky's caddy (from Next Friday) rolling thru the hood before he moved to Cali

  • such beautiful architecture gone, oh well the gilded age was just that.

  • Living here must have been tough..

  • The city is better because all the ghetto riff-raff has been priced out.

  • Omg, at 9:04, I live a block away from that building with those figures. I confirmed it's the same through Google Street View. It was like shocking suddenly seeing it. 9:03 is a couple of blocks away. They recently renovated it, and everyone who lived there had to go someplace else. I had no idea the Bronx looked this bad once upon a time. No wonder it has a bad reputation.

  • The Bronx is coming back! I love my Bronx upbringing we had safe neighboorhoods in the 50's and 60's Yeah there were some bad places but we knew how to get around. Today instead of huge monster public housing, there is smarter smaller scale housing that instill pride. Cause of the decline? too many reasons to list but please do not blame the people entirely many did not have a chance to lead normal lives.

  • are you sure this is the wealthist country in the world? looks more like Stalingrad in 1943 or Berlin in 1945. sad thing is, no one bombed this place, they did it to themselves.

  • @brad6785 Half right, the government and capitalist did it to them.

  • @brad6785 Blame rent control, well intentioned public housing, and a comedically poorly managed NYC budget. Yes, the economy played a part, but NYC didn't look like this during the Depression, ONLY NYC Hall could do that.

  • @NoProbaloAmigo excuse me but my grandmother who was born in 1892 was adult during the greatest depresssion (because today version is no snoozer) and we owned our home. Her solution was boarder that she took so much to that they and their children continue be members in our family. I wasnt victim of cicumstance or political policy as you imply. I was the victim of Stepham Luambard the owner who rented to my mother knowing it was not fit for her children.

  • @justwatchingliffe Isn't it odd that the Bronx survived the Great Depression in better condition than in the 70's? I am not condoning the landlord, but rent control is and was a disaster, let alone public housing, hence the movement to less worse "affordable housing."

  • @NoProbaloAmigo You cant convince me that I was too young to understand what I witnessed with my OWN eyes. This wasnt policy it was a failure of common sense humanity. If you believe you are rich because of your own effort alone, then you tend think you owe nothing. Especially to someone unable to force to comply. These were not businessmen they were theives in suits. And dont get me started on the prisons they called public housing.

  • @justwatchingliffe Again, rent control is well intentioned but has disastrous effects. This kind of pathetic ruin is still the effect of the policies! Of course, if you set laws to make illegal activity profitable, people WILL do so! I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying what you experienced is NOT the whole story! Where did the tripled new york city budget go? Even the "greedy" landlord couldn't wish for that!

  • @brad6785 *They* ?

  • @brad6785 You don't know your ass, ROBERT MOSES

  • @brad6785 Just fuck you this is the south bronx there are better places like Manhattan or Queens so fuck up.

  • @brad6785 Dont judge the country by one borough of a city.

  • @brad6785

    Well, moviemakes used to shoot wwii films here, cause they didn't have to waste any money reproducing the damaged buildings.

  • @brad6785

    They did it to themselves? Well that is partially correct, but I would say you need an American history book badly.

    Many of these scenes were about ? 15 years after the last laws rendering Blacks second class citizens were taken off the books? Which is to say, 15 years after the last of the events depicted IN THIS VDEO (in the 1960's)

    watch?v=bTxU5_hjCQE

    Watch that video, if you want to see the roots of this one, and if you have the nerve to face it; it is graphic...

  • The fuck? Is this Africa?

  • This was when things were at their worst.

  • Robert Moses was just a part of the whole that caused this to happen. Landlords and junkies burned the buildings because of the planned exodus of the middle class and the money in the 50s and 60s, leaving those helpless with nothing to fend for themselves. Look it up. Redlining, White Flight, Ripping out Trolley Tracks for cars, Public Housing projects. All part of the plan to drain the city of the middle class and money. Its easy to blame a landlord or junkie. But thats an uneducated assessment

  • Ironically, the South Bronx was never New York's worst slum. It just looked the worst.

  • fuck looks like that  movie escape from new york...damn fucking jews

  • @redeem72 You have truly lost it. You are truly a bigoted son of a bitch and hope you go fuck yourself you fucking fuck

  • What documentary is this footage from? I need to have my hands on it!

  • 7:52 That's "The Hub". It's like the downtown" of the Bronx.

  • fml...hard to believe that is only blocks away from my neighborhood today. Boy, Jerome avenue looked like crap even up to 182nd street which is not really considered South Bronx today. The Hub looked so horrible. All these places show little to no signs at all of the hell of 1970s. To my surprise, i went to Rome and a couple of other cities in Euro last year and I saw tons of graffiti, beats New York tenfold today. Insane how much NY and the Bronx have changed

  • THANK YOUR ROBERT MOSES! You really made New York City a great place to Live! This is the end result of WHITE FLIGHT encouraged by Robert Moses after WWII. Buy a car, move to the suburbs! Put more Highways through NYC for CARS. BTW Robert Moses never drove. Didnt know how.

  • @T289c RM did not cause white flight. RM did a lot of good things, like making Long Island beaches accessible and I see lots of non whites there. Lots of whats in this video is the result of landlords burning down buildings for insurance and junkies burning them down for the copper to sell.

  • pussy neighbourhood

  • Those buildings were cash traps for the landlords. They were very old, had no insulation, and cost a fortune to heat. Fuel costs shot up in the 1970's, so the heating costs went up to.

    NYC made a huge error in that abandoned buildings were not given to the homesteaders. The homesteaders used to refurbish old buildings with their bare hands so they could live in them. But the city didn't take advantage of that opportunity.

  • I recognize most of the footage from the movie WOLFEN, like 5:33. The actor was British, and he didn't do the NY accent that well.

  • waaaarrriors come out and playyyy

  • guys if your worried about this place dont i live in the bronx and it improved alot really :D

  • Its still like this today aint it? crackers shouldnt have gave their negro slaves so much freedom then none of this shit would ever have happened :P

  • Is this usa or varsovia ghetto?

  • What are the names of all the sound bits tracks.

  • My dad would tell me, as you can see in the video that owners would burn the buildings to get insurance money. If you held on or bought a peice of property back then, you would be an easy millionare today.

  • how come it looks like a trashed out wasteland, yet still so "lived-in"? I can imagine Shaft chasing a perp through a lot of these locations

  • The only reason "they" gentrified it is so "they" could move back into the city and turn a profit.

  • CIA promoted the introduction of crack in poor minority areas of NYC & other US cities throughout the 80s at the same time as the Reagan administration initiated the fraudulent War on Drugs as a way to massively criminalize black ppl in the same neighborhoods they were infiltrating (see Pulitzer Prize winning work of Gary Webb, who exposed this). The aim was to complete what Rex84 (Wiki that!) was not able to: destroy the legacy of King & urban poor movts that might have derailed Globalization!

  • The dark side of industrial oligopoly Capitalism - oh wait, that's 99% of its sides.

  • Well, I don't blame the landlords. They burned their properties because it was hard to put up with the trash.

  • outta control base humanity!

  • omg. City of ruins. Warsaw in 1945 looks better than NY in 70's.

  • i lived in new york from 1984 when i was born till 2001 and i aint never seen something like the first part of the video that looks like the apocalypse.towards the end of the video is what i remember.

  • i lived in new york since 1984 when i was born till 2001 but damn i aint never seen something like this this look like the apocalypse.

  • wow im glad the bronx looks nothing like this anymore , it looks like we got nuked.

  • I remembered this NY. This is the NY i grew up in. The NYC we have today is vastly improved. The South Bronx no longers looks like this. NYC has gone through and continues to go through gentrification.

    There was a major fraud with owners of these buildings back in the 70s and 80s. The economy was in the dumps. So landlords began burning down their buildings on purpose to collect insurance. These greed cause destruction of whole neighborhoods. Because no one cared about the poor people.

  • @johnherrera305 Of course. My mom told me about what happened at that when she was a kid.

    The landlords burned everything down in sight, so they could have all the money in their hands; which left so many people homeless at that time. It was a terrible controversy for everyone who lived in the South Bronx.

  • @johnherrera305 Here's the sick part; they plan to do it all over again, just on a national scale.

  • @johnherrera305 looks pretty wild man. was it more or less violent than today? it looks like one of the most awful places one could live. but all the hip hop was so positive about it.

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    it's not so positive these days it seems. all the hip hop these days seems to glorify that bullshit and make the youth more violent and fucked up. what's your point of view on south bronx society from back then to now?

  • @johnherrera305 That is untrue.Most of the fires were caused by the overloading of electrical circuits by careless tenants.

  • @MrFredGoldstein Come on. This is not some conspiracy theory. It is a well document FACT. Go ahead, and do the research.

  • @johnherrera305 Gentrification usually doesn't solve poverty, it moves it some where else. So what happened to these people and where are they today?

  • @mornnb many of these people have moved to poor neighbourhoods in cities like Springfield Massachussets and Hartford Conneticut where the cost of living is lower but crime is high.

  • @johnherrera305 hey where is south bronx (queens here) is it around brook ave?

  • @johnherrera305 Yes this is my South Bronx as well. I remember and as I look at this I smile too bad this is or was a reality but you had it right. Slum lords would let the build fall apart or burn it down. They would pack us up into rat infested hotels with several beds and no bathroom. Till we found some place to live. It was nothing then to move into an empty apartment. Back then we did it ourselves.

  • @justwatchingliffe Sadly what changed things for me was a good education. But today PE stops being good or effective after preschool then these children are ignored or pushed out. This country is raising a generation of worker bees and this time its not just in the "inner cities" and "urban areas" if we all told the truth you are looking at you kids and wondering what are they teaching you in school?

  • @justwatchingliffe You lived the "well intentioned" effects of rent control in NYC. Price controls never work as intended.

  • @johnherrera305 Gentrification doesn't improve anything. All it does is kick the poor people out and force them to live somewhere else.

  • @johnherrera305 I am perplexed by the myths you give! You know, New York survived the Depression without this much damage. Not only was public housing a basket case, you had the NY City budget triple from the 60's to the late 70's and rent control. Greed is eternal, and it is pathetic you ignore the actual issues at the time. It is amazingly ignorant that you think "greedy" insurance companies woulldn't investigate fraud.

  • what the fuck happened here

  • I'm from the Bronx and I actually miss it :(((

  • I gotta say, considering the state of New York City in the 80's - and that includes Manhattan and the now good neighborhoods - it really went up. It's one of the safest cities in America now, so whatever was done to fix it, let's do the same for all cities. New York ftw!

  • @darkwoodmovies what was done was that they let the buildings go to pot then when forced to leave because the property was abandoned, the owner would simply wait till the last minute sell it to another entity and when one building became 100 they would then rebuild upgrade and price out. Its not new and other cities have followed suit already. But then ask yourself where do the original tenants go?

  • man i bet the 70's was the best time :D

  • I love this country...but what a fucking joke. We spend "too much" on the poor? lol Holy crap...Detroit still looks like this and we aren't ashamed as a nation. I am.

  • @tstruss912 i grew up in detroit , it looks different but still prty shitty , when i grew up dere entire neiborhoods and streets were all sorts a fucked up .

  • @pychoshow  What about the white part of town? I bet that looked OK, no? I heard that Detroit is super-segregated...

  • @tstruss912 When i used to live there i was a little kid , an this was before kwame kilpatrick had alot of the abanoned buildings demolished , back then entire streets an neiborhoods would all be abandoned now alot of the abanaoned buildings in detroit have been demolished , an not rlly detroit is mixed race but thereaint much white people there , im white an i was the only one in my old first grade class that was white

  • @pychoshow Well, good job on making it out of the murder city. That must have been rough. I heard Eminem got fucked with all the time for being white.

  • @tstruss912 the thing is we shouldn't spend on the poor in the first place. we should give them opportunity. better education and more jobs. this way they can make their own money. come on they can't live on welfare payments all their life.

  • @wakigo45 I'm all for that. But until that happens, we need a welfare state. We have a long fight ahead of us if we're serious about bring manufacturing back to this country...

  • @tstruss912 well we need the bastards in governent under both the bush and obama administration to get up off their lazy asses and actually do something. but in the mean time i suppose welfare is necessary. i just wish this government wasn't so fuckin corrupt.

  • @wakigo45 Tell me about it. The bad thing is that the elite think we have TOO MUCH power, not too little; so they won't do shit to help or empower us. In the 1970's they were freaking out thanks to the 60's activism and they wrote a book called "The Crisis of Democracy". They said "crisis" because the people had too much power. Somewhere in the book Sam Huntington mentions that we have a "crisis" every 37 or 38 years. That ended up being true. 1970 - 2009 when the Tea Party came.

  • @wakigo45 That was about 39 years. The rest of the book they talk about how to control us, and how far they think they can take it. They are always ready to crush us. That's why we can't count on any of those clowns in Washington. BTW, the people who wrote that book were on the LIBERAL end of the spectrum....the opinions about elite control get much worse on the right-wing end of the elite spectrum....

  • @tstruss912 i agree. you can't trust any politician or clown in washington it seems.

  • @tstruss912

    Detroit doesnt come close to looking like this, and today new york is one of the safest big cities in the united states.

  • @DarkosApprentice True, true, NY is much better now. Detroit might not look as bad, but the poor are just as screwed over there. Same goes for many black communities. We can't forget American history: slavery, Jim Crowe, COINTELPRO murders, lynchings, and much more were happening up until 40 years ago. To pretend that everything is fine and dandy now is dishonest and immoral. Their communities need better schools and we need a better manufacturing base. That would help.

  • i grew up on 138th and st anns back inda 60s

  • Did South Bronx change today to the better? From what I can see on Google Earth, a lot of renovation seems to have been done ever since.

    Greetings from Germany.

  • @SuperMaunzer South Bronx will always be one of the worst areas to live in new york city or maybe america, just because they cleaned the blocks up the same gangs walk the streets and the same commonity live there. South Bronx still has some of the highest crimes levels in america, that says it all really. murder happens there everyday

  • @MrKon14 i would do some research. the south bronx is still very poor but crime rates are surprisingly low

  • @San94Andreas oh maybe ive been watching to many 70s new york gang stuff lol, like "80 blocks from tifferneys" ect

  • @MrKon14 there's no doubt it was a shithole in the 70s, but not anymore

  • @SuperMaunzer yeah the bronx is really good I'm surprised it even looked this ugly

  • @SuperMaunzer yes the bronx has become substantially better than it was back then. im glad i never had to see it like that in person. but its a scary thought

  • I grew up with a single parenthood mother, it wasnt this bad, but i can understand this. PEace from Finland and srry for bad english.

  • I live and still here in the bronx. back in those days. if the bronx was a burn victim it would have been 80% of its body. I miss those days all you had was the streets. But it was like living in the wild wild east you did not know if you was gonna see the next day because their were always shootings. But still fun.

  • this was where the funk was born

  • The projects they built in the 60's were a failed liberal attempt to give the poor food and free living and give them more for each child they had. A 15 year old mother could get free housing in the projects and about $300 per child a month. You ended up with women in their 20's with 7 kids. You do the math. Then the natural outcome was overpopulated, unemployed misery which lead to violence. This happened throughout much of the north east. The evolution of misguided liberalism.

  • You will never be able to stop people from being irrepsonsible and have many more kids than they can afford. However, you can stop people from living and dying in the streets. An affordable educational system can help people get ahead in life. There are a great deal of people who came from that lifestyle and made something of themselves. With the lack of jobs in this country and a failure to buld the infrastructure. You are looking at the past and the future in this video.

  • This reminds me of the movie, FORT APACHE THE BRONX...With Paul Newman... Good ass movie.. signing out.... I'm about to watch it now......Gyeah..Dipset!!!!!

  • Ppl 4get, that the majority of NYC look like that in the 70's n 80's. Even Manhattan. Manhattan was dirty too, Time square wasnt like it is now, 85 % of Mahattan was dirty, dusty strip joints, and peep shows ,run down front stores. Look at the old 70's black caesar movie, currupt cops n politicians, Nikki barnes pushing smack, n the mayor knew it..lol.. Then krack came n the 80's.. NYC, wasn't clean up until 1994, with Giuliani. Time square was run down 4 a long time. No where like it is now!!!

  • @ftnrbhmwk I beg to differ, I'm from the NYC area and growing up in the 80's and 90's, it was nice in NY and very liberal and free, it still is dirty, but now it's filled with tourists. There's nothing special about the place anymore. True most places were very dangerous if you roamed away from Manhattan, but Manhattan itself was always nice, even with the peep shows/sex shops on the corners. The village was always nice and remained the same.

  • @MsMaggieOC I only said, 85% of Manhattan..lol.. But you do agree a little, that Time Square was no were close to what it is now; like the 70's and 80's. I heard the Rza mention Manhattan in the 80's, 3 for a dollar movie shows. Downtown being rows and rows of peep shows. Kool g rap said in an interview in Sourse, he wrote "the streets of New York" about Harlem, in the 80's. Then you have Washington Heights.. Like you said not all of Manhattan, but I'm still talking the 80's and 70's...

  • to vivo en sani del bronx

  • @MrSolomonBroadnax thats right son, My homies and me from zimbabwe love runnin with our sticks and tires son. Shits is beautiful, son.

  • this is where i grew up in the 60's 70' and 80's. as kids, we didn't really understand our situation,

  • what was this shot on?!?!

    

  • damn in the beginning, it looks like just like the ones during the Bosnian War. No streets, torn out buildings, no luxuries etc.

  • i remember those days, now is a different place new buildings, community services, better schools, more popportunities for those who want to better themselves, green clean parks etc..

  • in this days the hole bronx was a ghetto...

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  • haha thars a paradise compared to my hood

  • my dad says the buildings became like this cuz black peoples didnt pay their rent, and all the white residents left, when some of my family came from cuba on mariel, they came to south bronx for 5 months

  • @DerekAnthony19 your dad doesn't know what he's talking about

  • Koyannisquatsi!

  • The only reason New York City survives is because the city steals from the rest of the country. example : the wall street bailout. I'm so glad I live in a Midwest suburb. NYCity should be flushed down the toilet. the average third world country looks better than this. Zoos are much better than this place. the animals keep themselves cleaner than this scum.

  • @mizzoulibertarian wtf is your problem mother fucker

  • @GerardBudding no problem at all. the problem is with the uneducated apes that live in this cesspool known as the bronx

  • @mizzoulibertarian yeah you got a problem

  • @MrSolomonBroadn not saying that im saying to the people who have it all and there parents are there for them and whatnot and when they dont get what they want and they go off and say there life sucks thats what i mean

  • @Future0331 those people who have it well value education and decency. this scum need to start with taking showers.

  • @mizzoulibertarian Are you calling these people scum?

  • @Future0331 look at this. this looks worse than lebenon in the 80's. New york city as a whole is doing nothing for the rest of the country. Nothing is produced from new york city. this scum has no initiative for education. instead they lose thier souls in drugs and mug and rape people. just like walll street ripping of the midwest who manufacture and grow food. so yeah these people are scum. and the rest off the country is is tired of thier tax dollars being wasted on scum

  • @mizzoulibertarian Go fuck off somewhere i was raised here ok and I know many people that made it out of the Bronx and made something of themselfs and actually contributed to better the nation while you sit there behind a computer and say this place is scum you would last a day living in the bronx

  • @Future0331 "made it out of the bronx" that says it all. perhaps the problem with the bronx is that i would not last a day. ths place should be surrended by an electronic fence so the animals living there can't leave.

  • @mizzoulibertarian Wow! Statements like this makes me wonder, Who are the real animals? Just an observation, No disrespect intended.

  • @01fee these people are lower than animals. animals clean up after themselves. look at this filthy city

  • @mizzoulibertarian So who do you think owns this stuff you call a city? Think first then answer.

  • @mizzoulibertarian * OK,...call these people dirty,but you,...........you are stupid. If you were thrown into a one square mile garbage dump,would and could you clean it up ?NO,it is to BIG. First in Manhattan,buildings let go to ruin by the landlords,then condemned,torn down,new buildings,higher rents.It spread to the Bronx,and moved north.Condemned,then rebuilt,by landlords for MORE MONEY.These are the poor people who were left.NOT them,it was the Landlords,who did it.Use your brain and think

  • @billy1212ist its always someone elses fault isn't it? yeah i could get people togethor to clean up a mile. at least people where I live.the city of joplin missouri was just hit by a tornado that destroyed everything. but the people there have cleaned up and are rebuilding.