"romanian infantry, the Romanian divisions participation of the encirclement of the soviets was decisive" 7,16-7,23 frame :P. I'm proud to be romanian
any of you poeple talks german...? well i do, i am german, the whole war events told by some dude on wochenshow, sound like lye, luege, not true and false,
german wehrmacht did go to those places, and froze their balls off and got to breaking point for shit asignments.
@stnwllstv In fact they are the sort of BLUNT observations that Americans should be made to read with their cornflakes every morning until they understand that the horrific failures to respect others, -- treating most of the world as 'Untermenschen" -- is not really acceptable and endangers all of us. All civilized countries allow the International Court of Justice to charge those of their citizens that commit crimes against humanity, EXCEPT the United States. Why would that be?
@stnwllstv I agree with you. The US doesn't much care. But being now the worlds biggest debtor nation and in serious economic difficulty in a changes world where it is ONE of the G-20, THE attitude that the US doesn't care starts to become a SERIOUS liability to the US. Its time you DID care about the horrendous injustices that the US has done to others. History shows that days of reckoning do arrive, and these days even lowly Pakistan has the bomb. My observations are not "bias" at all.
@stnwllstv Why is it necessary to put everything into terms of "good" and "evil"from an American perspsective? Why do Americans, whose "evil" with their actions in the Atomic bombings of Japanese civilians , and their killing of most of the 3,100,000 Vietnamese in their lost war of conques, try to make like the "good"? How about the simple answer. Both believed they were good guys, just like Americans think they are good guys although much of the world does not agree.
@historatia The reasoning for the A-bomb is that many more would have been lost if there had been a direct invasion.Probably true.Besides,I guess the Japs should have just stayed home when they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor.Too bad for Japan.War is hell.Vietnam war was not a conquest.It was to stop the spread of communism,an ideology bent on dominating the world.Was it a failure?Yes and no.I suspect the goal was more to prove that we would fight about communist domination.
@stnwllstv You are overfilled with propaganda. Eisenhowe no less r is amongst those whose advance judgment was that the extravagent claims of possible US losses were ridiculous and that the real purpose being "to show Stalin what we had", the bomb should have been dropped as a demonstration. Instead Truman committed a massive crime against humanity. To find out how WRONG America was in Vietnam, go watch the video on YT where Robert McNamara admits that it was all a huge mistake.
@historatia We could argue all of it for days but we aren't going to.Either way, I don't much care about Japan.If they didn't want to get their asses handed to them then they should've attacked someone else.As for Vietnam, on what aspect was it a mistake,the rationale or the action?But you're right, getting involved in a war with no plans to actually fight a war is a mistake.It's why we've been in Afg for 10 years.We send our sodiers off to war with their hands tied.
@stnwllstv LGJ started the Vietnam war started with a FRAUD (the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident) after Kennedy refused to honour the Geneva Agreement that ALL Vietnamese would vote their future, the US declared a Repbulic of South Vietnam that the Geneva Agreement did NOT do. The US lost 65,000 most drugged, largely black youths. NEVER have I heard the US say "Sorry, and erect a wall with 3,100,000 Vietnamese names from the Capitol to the Lincoln memorial and pay massive war reparations.
@stnwllstv McNamara ADMITTED that in the light of history it could be seen as a criminal war. In 2010 the US collected from Germany the last payment on the WWI (1914-1918) "reparations". To this day the US has not paid ONE RED CENT for its criminal war in Vietnam. I don't care what US Intentions or excuses are. It was criminal, so PAY UP (Trillions of Dollars) in the interests of international justice (US style against Germany in 1919.). America does NOT have a moral high-ground.
@historatia Money makes it all better does it?You know,your rant started by my one comment where I called neither communism or fascism bad or evil or however it was you put it.Apparently I hit a nerve so I wonder which are you?If communist would you care to discuss communist atrocities.If fascist..... Forget it.Somebody around here has to cook supper.Too bad I don't have a minority I can force to go in there and do it,huh?
@stnwllstv I'm sure the US wants the world to forget the Vietnam war and remember the handful who were killed on 9/11. Well, most of the world will NOT forget the Vietnam atrocity and will always judge the 9/11 vicitims against the 250,000 CIVILIANS that the US killed with the A-bombs, and the HORRIBLE deliberate whie phosphorus fire bombings of the wooden residential districts in Tokyo where 300,000 died on March 9, 1945, and thousand BOILED to death having sought refuge in the waterbodies.
@stnwllstv In case you were wondering, white phosphorus fires cannot be doused with water, so the women and children and old people who ran for safety into water bodies were LITERALLY boiled. I hope you believe that Pearl Harbour -- a response to the illegally applied US embargo on foreign oil resources being shipped to Japan -- incident was worth the price of the stain for 1,000 years on the US reputation as a civilized country.
@stnwllstv You would be very hard put to find any "good guys" during this era, or the one prior to it. The early part of the 20th century was one of nationalism run amok, and was dominated by a modern Thirty Years' War that devastated Europe.
I don't agree that the North Vietnamese, who used mass murder to establish an Indochinese empire, were "good guys" (see Hue in 1968, their alliance with the Khmer Rouge, etc). A million Vietnamese boat people were running from someone - it wasn't the US.
Hitler attack soviet union just for preparing to the american army but it turns out that Hitler can't destroy the soviet union completely before the americans arrives..
The facts are there wasn't much difference between Hitler or Stalin. Both were ruthless socialist fascist dictators. Both slautghered millions of innocent people. Both were anti-semintic. It was Hitler's war to lose, and he did. First by stopping the Citadel champaign prematurely. 2nd failing to develop long range bombers. And finally failing to take Moscow, by choosing to strike Belgrade Yougosalvia instead, delaying Barbarosa by 3-4 critical weeks. We all could be speaking Greman now.
@ddavis0144 yes: Nazi ideology would undermine any GA ideas of liberating subject peoples from Bolshevism. The 'Moscow Option' idea was developed years ago by David Downing in a 254 page alternative history supported by extensive documentary evidence. Even with this hub of Soviet politics, industry and transportation in GA hands, they were still doomed by dictatorial inadequacy in command; the lowest and medium military groups would do their duty, but in the highest echelon there was a malaise
@ddavis0144 No, this is not a fact. Hitler and Stalin were completely different and only idiots can't see that. Stalin killed people to secure the development of his country to bring the world a paradise, he just didn't care about individual life. But he didn't kill people because he hated them and wanted them to die. Hitler wanted to exterminate all Jews, Slavs and Gypsies, turn some remnants into illiterate slaves and turn Moscow into a huge artificial lake.
@ddavis0144 The Gulags were labor camps and not extermination camps as in Germany. People died there from the harsh conditions but they weren't sent there to die. In 1933, 15% of the inmates died, in 1942-43 around 25%, in all other years it was less than 10% and in the '50ies even less than 1%. That means that the majority was released by the authorities while in German camps the weak were killed upon arrival and the stronger ones were exploited economically until they died.
@ddavis0144 Stalin worked hard to make people literate and create professionals as teachers, pilots and scientists, while Hitler abolished all education. Slavs only had to know how to count and write their won name, anyway. Stalin worked hard to get people into the cities. In 1917, every second inabitant of Kiev was Russian. 10 years later it was less than 1 in 5.6, because the regime stimulated ethnic Ukrainians to move to the towns.
@ddavis0144 While Hitler worked to stave and bomb cities like Leningrad and Kiev to leave only handfuls of people in the country. In Ukraine people eventually sang "Down with Hitler the liberator, long live Stalin the oppressor", and joked "What did Hitler do in 2 years that Stalin couldn't do in 20 years? Make us love the Soviet system".
Stalin didn't take his personality cult seriously, it was done for him by other people and he only used it for practical purposes.
@ddavis0144 Hitler took all the claims about himself seriously and practices hard for his public performances.
The differences between Stalin and Hitler were enormous and if you don't know that, you're a fucking plebian idiot. I have two good books for you: The Dictators by Richard Overy, and Harvest of Despair by Karel C. Berkhoff. Read those two and then come back to tell me that Stalin and Hitler were the same.
@YoWoof oh thats a load of bull Stalin had killed more people than hitler did. he sent poeple to Gulag camps which were know to be almost just like concentration camps. The Russians were just as bad as anyone else.
I find it interesting at 1:50 there is a Flak 88 wide open with no cover in the middle of a field. The Germans must have had complete air supremacy still at this time.
@YoWoof The Russians killed and raped their way through all of eastern Europe right up to Berlin. They also massacred civilians out of hand. The Russian civilians killed were part of the overall Nazi effort to steamroll through Russia, it was not an effot to wipe out the Russian population. The Soviet had a systematic policy to liquidate the German population from the Baltics and East Prussia. East Prussia suffered over 2 million rapes in a period of 6 months. Berlin had over 60,000 in 3 days.
@GodwinCarpenter If you know about your family has been murdered brutally what would be your reaction to the murderers ? and for the killing of 3000 in US by extremists how many innocents have been killed by the westerners in Afghanistan ? Count the numbers you biased guy !
Russians faced horrible casualty losses also in spring 1943. Germans actually mauled them so heavily that advantage after Stalingrad was lost immediately. That's why the official Soviet war history didn't want to remember that battle of Kharkov in spring 1943 much.
@nikolamancic1 "Who sane gives a shit about the final German losses." You, my friend, are a genuine cunt. The Germans, did infact slaughter thousands. But the Russians were way more brutal. Do look up "the Battle of Berlin" my friend? :)
I am German and I dont care about Hilter and Stalin both where evil characters. Russian always claim themself as victims but they forgot that Stalin did the same to the Fin´s
Seig Heil. 3rd SS Totenkopf held Karkov for nearly a month, with up to 360,000 russians killed. Btw Stalin was worse than hitler but unfortunetly the victor is the one who writes the history.
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky That was 30 years ago you inbred dumbass. Do you really think any of that money or those weapons are still around? Over 40,000 soviet scum dead in Afghanistan. Nothing better than dead communists. Plenty of your limey scum died over there a few hundred years ago. You inbred limeys are so stupid you sent more of your inbreds to die over there again. More of you dumbasses will die in Libya too
@jackzero99 There is still plenty of Soviet/American/British hardware left in Afghanistan, and the Soviets lost approx 15,000 Soldiers in Afghanistan compared to about 54,000 American "scum" in Vietnam. The USA will fail in Afghanistan just like the Soviets did, and the USA couldn't even invade the country on their own they needed 40+ countries to help them, without the continuing help of these countries America would have been forced from Afghanistan within at least two years.
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky You limey scum lost 994,000 inbreds during WWI along with your empire. The communist scum lost 26 million in WWII. You limey scum had to come begging to America for help in WWI & WWII. You inbreds couldn't finish off what you started. Now you beg for American help while you invade Libya for oil
@jackzero99 America came begging for help in Afghanistan and Iraq which they invaded for oil. Besides America entered world war 2 to fight the Empire of Japan, Europe had nothing to do with it and the USA NEVER declared war on Nazi Germany, Germany declared war on the USA because Japan was their ally. American help in world war one was miniscule, you fought what the last six months of the war too late to even make a discernable differance.
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky the US could have managed without help if necessary and most of those "40" countries contributed next to nothing the US kept you in the war twice without American industry Germany would have won W W I and maybe even W W II but it not Soviet power was the main force fighting Germany the UK's main contribution was blockading germany but they almost got blockaded themselves with the U-Boat war
@jackzero99 what's your ethnic background? since you like to throw the insults around Yes I know like myself you are American at least I think so but what's your ethnic background? or don't you want to say? I'm English Irish Scots-Irish German French Dutch and Swedish that I know of Why do you bring yourself down to this idiots level?
@jackzero99 But Russia has rise once again thanks to the new reforms of Vladimir Putin, Medvedev. Btw, this is the 21e and U.S. economy is drowning...
Russia is full of idiot right-wing scumbugs chanting slogans for Hitler who slaughtered their forefathers in a wholesale rate. So why Russia is not a neo-nazi shitland ?
@Ranganbratschin Way to go, you truly have some issues, you think everybody in Russia are Neo-Nazis. You need a shrink, you're getting to much hallucinations.
@ScaredPiglet, you leave me alone asshole, socialism will always be there to fuck the Neo-Nazi scum. I am also an engineer and I create things you can't imagine. If a war ever happen again in the magnitude of race cleansing, we know how to deal with people like you. Don't try to hide your NAZI intentions cause we know who you are.
@ScarePiglet, you play to much MODERN GAYFARE, and go to NEO-NAZI conventions, you get brainwashed and raped as well by your own patriots. You just wish to exterminate all the "dirty" races well its too bad because more then 70% of them are socialists.
@SuperRatchetclank You are just plain stupid and filled with hate. Neo-nazi is politics and racism. The topic of this video is war, totally unrelated to your rant. Get it?
You are one of those miserable, politically correct types who is still duped by the propoganda of the 1940's. Now is 2010, Time to learn and move on from old hate, especially hate created by politicians.
@ScarePiglet, NOBLE cause that is biggest bullshit I ever seen, German soldiers have done worst things to humanity than any other army in the world, if that "crazy" Stalin wasn't there, Nazi Germany would have exterminated 2/3 of the world population. Which includes: Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Slavics, Asians and other indigenous people. Damn, you are really one stupid Nazi scum. I bet you are one those NEO-NAZI KKK SKINHEAD trash.
@ScarePiglet, the scum here is you my friend, because I hate NAZIS white trash supremacist. BTW, keep the insult deep inside your ASS. Its too bad that Nazi Germany no longer exist, cause I'll enjoy melting them. Here you are the worthless man, I have done a lot of good for society (mech. & material, automation engineering) what about YOU. I made machines that you can't fucking imagine
The Germans fought bravely and for the noble cause of holding back the Bolshevik hordes. Any of you haters who rant about how 'evil' the Germans are should spend time in a communist prison and after a few years of torture and forced labor you might come to realize that maybe commies are not the heroes you imagine them to be.
The German SS were not better than Siberian troops. The Germans fought a noble war? How? By killing over 6 million Jews? Or by and killing over 20 million Women and Children. Go back to Germany you fucking cock sucker.
@eric5906, so this is it you join the Nazi war machine, all those tanks, infantries, aircraft and subs for absolutely nothing what a waste of life and natural ressources. Then You will know what is true meaning of pain. NAZI monger. If this were to happen again, we know now how to deal with this kind of trash. BTW, this device is not your regular atomic/hydro/neutron bomb, its something far more "GRUESOME". HAggh, Uhmmm the mess... :-)
@eric5906, with the technological knowledge I have, I would had molten down many Nazis (you hear melt them not burn them). You have absolutely no idea of what i work with the government. Yes I know Stalin killed more people, but Hitler would have done worst all around the world if the red army didn't steamrolled them, isn't that logic Mr.Eric5906.
@Nickael7 Nope, not a nazi sympathizer or a communist sympathizer for that matter.Just curious about the Nazi Melter.Will it work on other groups too, like islamic terrorists?What happens if the nazi's get their hands on this tech?Can they use it to make a Commie Melter?
@stnwllstv For destroying Pusslims no problem. LOL For Nazis to get it, I don't think so. Nazis and Pusslims make the best stupid combination for the melting. High dose of Neutron radiation melts the skin from the bones. So don't mind the mess... ;)
BTW, commies hate religions... I am anti-religion specially against the Pusslims. I hate Islamism and Nazism.
Neutron radiation quoted by Samuel Cohen is the quintessence of doom. Which I agree, the Neutrons are concen. at high dose Part-Acc.
When Comrade Stalin people were killed in the building or from starvation. And when Hitler burned millions of people alive, hanged or shot. Germany three times attacked the territory of the Union, the first time April 12, 1242 under the leadership of Alexander Nevsky were defeated Teutonic Knights on the ice Peipsi. The second time was the capture of Berlin September 28, 1760 Russian troops under the command of General 3.G. Chernysheva (23 thousand people.), And the third time in 1945.
@ScaredPiglets Germany would have done worst things around the world if Russia didn't crash the Nazis. BTW, I have jewish and hispanic blood in me, I have tremendous hatred against nazis and other racist scums who support this kind of white trash.
@Ranganbratschin Not at all. They were actually more authentically socialist than the Bolsheviks were.
That's nothing to be particularly proud of, mind. Socialism is synonymous with piracy. It's an elaborate intellectual justification for a kleptocratic state apparatus.
It's too bad the Nazis and Bolsheviks couldn't have exterminated each other exclusively, and let the non-socialists alone. We'd all have been better off without these murderous thieves amongst us.
@Ranganbratschin You mean the part where Jews are to be disposed of because they're capitalists exploiters by nature? Funny - I think they got that bit in part from Karl Marx's criticism of "huckstering" Jews.
@BusterXXXL The Bolsheviks relied heavily on the same sort of state-owned corporations, and outlawed any alternative socialist factions or union organizations. The Nazis ran their own worker union, run by the state, just as the Bolsheviks and all other Leftist factions have.
It's "nonsense" to think of fascism as some sort of end state of capitalism. Instead it's a reform of a totalitarian socialism, that enslaves business people without killing them, so that the bills get paid..
@DrCruel Krupp, Siemens and IG Farben were never state-owned, moron. Mussolinis call to power was to end the "corrupt" state and bring the rich old families back. Hitler was installed by Germany's industrial dynasties. Fascism IS capitalism run wild.
And the Nazis had no worker unions. Prove me wrong, tell me the name?
@BusterXXXL Krupp, Seimans and IG Farben were permeated by Nazi Party members, and did what the Nazi Party told them to do - by law. Similarly Tupolev, Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov and Mikoyan-Gurevich were run by Bolshevik party members. The Bolsheviks even had a Ford motor plant in Nimzhy Novgorod under license.
The Nazi trade union was called the German Labour Front or DAF. This was in keeping with the same policies of Gleichschaltung that the Nazis controlled German industry with.
@DrCruel The owners of Krupp, Thyssen, IG Farben and other industrialists joined the Nazi Party early on and out of free will, to get better access to massive armament contracts.
None of their corporations were ever expropriated or nationalised. All the leverage, the Nazis ever had over them, was through Wehrmacht contracts. No law needed, just good old money.
Gleichschaltung, the process of centralizing federal administration, and controlling the media, never touched the industry.
@BusterXXXL And the leaders of Tupolev, Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov and Mikoyan-Gurevich were Bolshevik party members, and were as much controlled by the Bolsheviks in regards ouptuts and quotas as were Krupp, Thyssen and IG Farben in Germany. In fact, unlike the Soviet counterparts, when Thyssen was at odds with the Nazis he was thrown in prison and his firm was directly nationalized.
Gleichschaltung policy established Nazi control over all aspects of German society - especially industry.
@DrCruel and BusterXXXL Why don't you two just describe the difference as follows: Both were "socialist" with the following difference. The Bolshevik brand demanded "class warfare" that led to mass killings. the Nazis REFUSED class warfare and demanded "class harmony" instead and so did not engage in "class" killing. So they are NOT the same. That explains the astonishing success of the Germans from 1933 to 43 until sheer scale overwhelmed them.
@historatia I will conceded that Nazism was a "reform" of Marxism, one in which racism (particularly against Jews) replaced the classism of the Bolshevik secular religion. But much of the anti-Semitism that guided the Nazi ideology was also present amongst the Bolsheviks too.
Germany's military success during this period has more to do with their institutionalized officer staff system, see Dupuy's "A Genius for War". What the Nazis provided was a socialized national economy retooled for war.
@DrCruel 1. Gleichschaltung was NOT "reform" of Marxism. In fact, since Maxism was the EXTREMIST form of socialism that distinguished itself by it radical call for the extermination of the capitalist classes Gleichschaltung was the complete OPPOSITE. In the German socialism (from Bismarck on) it was a tenet that the capitalist class MUST HARMONIZE itself to the interests of the nation as a whole, and all classes must work together.
@historatia Yes - that's a reform of Marxism. Marxists seized the measn of production, but murdered the experts who knew how to manage companies. This proved unworkable, so Mussolini came up with a modified system that allowed the capitalists to live on as governmental appendages. This system was later refined by the Nazis, to basically assimilate both worker and management organizations under governmental control.
Your connection between German socialism and Bismarck is on the mark as well.
@DrCruel 2. The failure of British and American, (and particularly "classic liberal -friendly" Jewish historians) to understand this crucial difference is what prevent them to this day from being able to explain the immense success of Hitlers early years in getting unemployment down from 32% to 8% by 1935 BEFORE the arms industry was a major part of the economy. (The above comment is not a criticism of Jewish historians, just an OBSERVATION from readings.)
@historatia If so, how then do you explain the massive rise of both US and Soviet industry during the war years (see John Ellis, "Brute Force")?
German output was indeed high during this period, but the Nazis were not responsible for it. In fact, the Nazi's parochial ideas about employing women actually hindered their industrial output during the war. They did employ effective means to combat unemployment, however - methods that would be adopted elsewhere, particularly the US.
@DrCruel 3. While my father was professional military senior Luftwaffe, I discount your "institutionalized officer staff" explanation. The military success had more to do with the higher "organization" attributes and education of Germans. Thus the military strategy/structure/philosophy -- until Hitler changed it in late 1943 -- was to issue the "orders" as objectives and let the responsible officers down the command chain implement strategies independently. No micromanagement from above.
@DrCruel 4. Your comment "..the Nazis provided was a socialized national economy retooled for war." is an unfortunate prejudice of all the propaganda as it implies that "war" was the reason to retool the economy. It was not. A more correct understanding is that Hitler and the Nazis sought to reassemble, rebuild and make strong the Germany ripped apart by Versailles, including reclaiming the previously German"Ostmark" for "Lebensraum" and bring prosperity to a united Germania.
@DrCruel 5. The best evidence for that is that the Germans were actually NOT well prepared for war, (the Poles shot up 40% of the Wehrmacht armour, the French military had MORE tanks, artillery and men that the Wehrmacht, no winter clothing for Operation Barbarossa, etc etc etc.) The suggestion that Hitler and the Germans "wanted war" is the unfortunate fiction of the decades of propaganda. That diverts attention from and the understanding of the war on a more factual basis.
@DrCruel 6. While I'm often accused of it, I am not a Nazi, do not support Nazi-ism, and am not a fan of Adolf Hitler. I do like my understanding of history to be basid on truth rather than propaganda fiction. I find it counter-productive for propagandists to deliberately obscure the things that were introduced by the Germans during the period 1930 to 1940 that were inventive and successful. It poisons relationships unnecessarily.
@DrCruel The "Gleichschaltung" policy introduced by the Nazis was re-established -- with remarkably few modifications -- by the West Germans in the mid-1950's and their 'social market economy' has been operated on those principles every since. Quite different than the US-type economic management that relies on deficit financing and Wall Street greed for its investment guide policy.
@historatia Indeed. Many of the socialist reforms introduced by the Nazis to combat the Great Depression would be adopted by the United States under FDR. See Garraty's "The Great Depression".
I'm particularly fond of James Burnham's managerial model, which better explains the rise of what we consider "socialism" these days. I think it more aptly explains the rise of the PRC, and also why we associate socialism with a massive nepotistic, bureaucratic state kleptocracy.
Every one carnt stand the German`s. Ya a bunch of murdering bastards . You will go down and stay down in history as the murdering vile race that you`s are FUCK OFF
This is just a propaganda. The true is that only German divisions take real fight with soviets. It's well known that is the just Hungarian, Italian and Romanian units turn back to soviets when they attack north wing of army group Don or their left wing as you all rather prefer.
Hungarian, Romanian and Italian divisions fight ??? It's make me laugh. They been only a great burden to a German army. They always run like a rabbits when Ivan attacks.
Just as well Hitler was mad or the Germans might have won, the Americans won the war, the British played their partr but without the American resources Britain would have had eventually been straved into submission, the world is a much better place than if the Nazi's had won as they were homocidal gangsters who had no love for humanity
In the 9th century, much of modern-day Ukraine was populated by the Slavic tribes. The so-called Kievan Rus was founded by Rus' people, Varangians who first settled around Ladoga and Novgorod, then gradually moved southward eventually reaching Kiev about 880. Kievan Rus' included the western part of modern Ukraine, Belarus, with larger part of it situated on the territory of modern Russia.
@kikexx100 I guess a fucking moron like you can't understand English. Hitler did not want war with England and France. They declared war on Germany. Hitler wanted the land and raw materials in the USSR
it was a masterpiece of Von Paulus and his 6 army before Stalingrad and the last time Germans were able to destroy a great number of soviet divisions in a sack (here and also near Leningrad during the summer)
Some of you are such idiots. Learn some history. Hitler himself said that he did not want war with England. He was not interested in African colonies or dominating the seas. He wanted land in in the east.
ignorance is bliss. hitler wanted to rule the world. if he won ww2, he then would have turned on his allies. do you really belive he had any love for the dirty italians? romanians, hungarians, ect? He didnt want war with England only so he didnt have to face a two front war from the start
Bismarck before him said that the whole of the Balkans weren't worth the bones the bones of a single Prussian grenadier. Then blood-slavering whore-son Bomber Harris twisted it round, not even original, motherfucker! And, just by the way, way the "bouncing bomb" was invented by the Italian Stuka pilots in the Med! Bismarck never wanted colonies! Nor even return of Elsass-Lotharingen!
How can anyone feel sorry for the germans, they didnt even get what they deserved. Germans got of way to easy and got all kinds of help for the west. The germans killed 30 million people in Russia in less then 4 years. The only mistake the germans made and not the first time was to attack Slavic nations. It proves the insanity of the german people, if you do something over and over and get the same result and dont change you are insane.
You're a fucking embasil. The German people of today are still paying fucking reperations for WW1 and WW2. That's compelte bullshit, they've paid enough and the German people now had nothing to do with those wars. So fuck liberal cocksuckers like you who always use Germans as the scapegoat when in actuality every side committed crimes in that war.
Yes many countries are still damaged because of the war. Germany has paid reperations but 99% of the people that lived through the war never benefited from any of it anyway so that is not realy a good excuse. Every side did comit crimes but still the fact remains its germans that started everything. Germans today have nothing to do with it but it seems like they view their country as an equal victim. You should watch here is germany on YT, this ww2 educational video will teach u german history.
That is your great comeback? Had the UK and France not made promises they couldn't keep, they would not have had to go to war in 1939. Seeing as you probably believe the UK and France declaring war is justified. How is it justified the UK lost everything to help maintain the Independence of Poland? In the end Poland was sold out to the communists anyways.
Who cares when they declared war, germany would have invaded France and UK anyway. I do think them declaring the war against the germanic barbarian hordes was justified, because it was self defence. Britan and France didnt help Poland, most of the helping was done by Polish soldiers. What did England lose to help Poland? England and France gained from what the Russians worked for.
"Germany would have invaded France and UK anyway" Good one. Germany wanted and alliance with the UK. The UK lost its empire because of the war. The financial costs primarily. Its cities were bombed. The once great Royal Navy became second to the US Navy. "Britan and France didnt help Poland" They went to war for the Independence of Poland.
Im sure the poor 3rd world people being exploited by England were not so sad to see England give them independence. They went to war for national interests not to help Poland. If they wanted to help Poland they would have attacked Germany on September 2 1939. England was not useless because they did help represent Polish interests alittle. For example, Churchill porposed to expand Polands borders west after Stalin decided USSR borders.
First of all chump its The United Kingdom. England is one state of the United Kingdom. That would be like me referring to the USA as New York. "They went to war for national interests" What interests were those? Had Germany destroyed the USSR that would have been one major enemy of the UK gone. The the UK could have concentrated its efforts against the Japanese. I guess the countries of eastern Europe were happy when your hero Stalin "liberated" them. The great slav liberators the Soviets.
"romanian infantry, the Romanian divisions participation of the encirclement of the soviets was decisive" 7,16-7,23 frame :P. I'm proud to be romanian
jienescu 3 weeks ago
Berlin burned end of story
ruski1945 1 month ago
perfect Panzer encirclement
gopconservative78 2 months ago
A guy I met who'd read about this said Manstein did a genius job in this battle.
mookins45 2 months ago
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Growltank233 2 months ago
any of you poeple talks german...? well i do, i am german, the whole war events told by some dude on wochenshow, sound like lye, luege, not true and false,
german wehrmacht did go to those places, and froze their balls off and got to breaking point for shit asignments.
333Chrome 3 months ago
@stnwllstv PS I'm neither.
historatia 4 months ago
@stnwllstv In fact they are the sort of BLUNT observations that Americans should be made to read with their cornflakes every morning until they understand that the horrific failures to respect others, -- treating most of the world as 'Untermenschen" -- is not really acceptable and endangers all of us. All civilized countries allow the International Court of Justice to charge those of their citizens that commit crimes against humanity, EXCEPT the United States. Why would that be?
historatia 4 months ago
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historatia 4 months ago
@stnwllstv I agree with you. The US doesn't much care. But being now the worlds biggest debtor nation and in serious economic difficulty in a changes world where it is ONE of the G-20, THE attitude that the US doesn't care starts to become a SERIOUS liability to the US. Its time you DID care about the horrendous injustices that the US has done to others. History shows that days of reckoning do arrive, and these days even lowly Pakistan has the bomb. My observations are not "bias" at all.
historatia 4 months ago
In regards to DrCruel's and Buster's very educated debate I have to wonder: Who then were the good guys, the fascists or the communists?
stnwllstv 5 months ago
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historatia 5 months ago
@stnwllstv Why is it necessary to put everything into terms of "good" and "evil"from an American perspsective? Why do Americans, whose "evil" with their actions in the Atomic bombings of Japanese civilians , and their killing of most of the 3,100,000 Vietnamese in their lost war of conques, try to make like the "good"? How about the simple answer. Both believed they were good guys, just like Americans think they are good guys although much of the world does not agree.
historatia 5 months ago
@historatia The reasoning for the A-bomb is that many more would have been lost if there had been a direct invasion.Probably true.Besides,I guess the Japs should have just stayed home when they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor.Too bad for Japan.War is hell.Vietnam war was not a conquest.It was to stop the spread of communism,an ideology bent on dominating the world.Was it a failure?Yes and no.I suspect the goal was more to prove that we would fight about communist domination.
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv You are overfilled with propaganda. Eisenhowe no less r is amongst those whose advance judgment was that the extravagent claims of possible US losses were ridiculous and that the real purpose being "to show Stalin what we had", the bomb should have been dropped as a demonstration. Instead Truman committed a massive crime against humanity. To find out how WRONG America was in Vietnam, go watch the video on YT where Robert McNamara admits that it was all a huge mistake.
historatia 4 months ago
@historatia We could argue all of it for days but we aren't going to.Either way, I don't much care about Japan.If they didn't want to get their asses handed to them then they should've attacked someone else.As for Vietnam, on what aspect was it a mistake,the rationale or the action?But you're right, getting involved in a war with no plans to actually fight a war is a mistake.It's why we've been in Afg for 10 years.We send our sodiers off to war with their hands tied.
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv LGJ started the Vietnam war started with a FRAUD (the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident) after Kennedy refused to honour the Geneva Agreement that ALL Vietnamese would vote their future, the US declared a Repbulic of South Vietnam that the Geneva Agreement did NOT do. The US lost 65,000 most drugged, largely black youths. NEVER have I heard the US say "Sorry, and erect a wall with 3,100,000 Vietnamese names from the Capitol to the Lincoln memorial and pay massive war reparations.
historatia 4 months ago
@stnwllstv McNamara ADMITTED that in the light of history it could be seen as a criminal war. In 2010 the US collected from Germany the last payment on the WWI (1914-1918) "reparations". To this day the US has not paid ONE RED CENT for its criminal war in Vietnam. I don't care what US Intentions or excuses are. It was criminal, so PAY UP (Trillions of Dollars) in the interests of international justice (US style against Germany in 1919.). America does NOT have a moral high-ground.
historatia 4 months ago
@historatia Money makes it all better does it?You know,your rant started by my one comment where I called neither communism or fascism bad or evil or however it was you put it.Apparently I hit a nerve so I wonder which are you?If communist would you care to discuss communist atrocities.If fascist..... Forget it.Somebody around here has to cook supper.Too bad I don't have a minority I can force to go in there and do it,huh?
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv I'm sure the US wants the world to forget the Vietnam war and remember the handful who were killed on 9/11. Well, most of the world will NOT forget the Vietnam atrocity and will always judge the 9/11 vicitims against the 250,000 CIVILIANS that the US killed with the A-bombs, and the HORRIBLE deliberate whie phosphorus fire bombings of the wooden residential districts in Tokyo where 300,000 died on March 9, 1945, and thousand BOILED to death having sought refuge in the waterbodies.
historatia 4 months ago
@stnwllstv In case you were wondering, white phosphorus fires cannot be doused with water, so the women and children and old people who ran for safety into water bodies were LITERALLY boiled. I hope you believe that Pearl Harbour -- a response to the illegally applied US embargo on foreign oil resources being shipped to Japan -- incident was worth the price of the stain for 1,000 years on the US reputation as a civilized country.
historatia 4 months ago
@stnwllstv You would be very hard put to find any "good guys" during this era, or the one prior to it. The early part of the 20th century was one of nationalism run amok, and was dominated by a modern Thirty Years' War that devastated Europe.
I don't agree that the North Vietnamese, who used mass murder to establish an Indochinese empire, were "good guys" (see Hue in 1968, their alliance with the Khmer Rouge, etc). A million Vietnamese boat people were running from someone - it wasn't the US.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel Agreed.I just enjoyed reading the debate is all and was wondering if it was one between a communist and a fascist.
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv I'm not a socialist at all, so I suppose I don't qualify as either.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@nikolamancic1 This Tyco200 still doesn't understand what exactly the Germans did to CCCP.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
what use is a tank without petrol?there is a new cold war .Gas and oil.
cavernbirch 6 months ago
@2:06 It said, "The enemy suffers heavy losses." Look more like HORSES suffered heavy losses...I guess the horses are quilty by association.
specops24th 6 months ago
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specops24th 6 months ago
Hitler attack soviet union just for preparing to the american army but it turns out that Hitler can't destroy the soviet union completely before the americans arrives..
chenyikevin 7 months ago
The facts are there wasn't much difference between Hitler or Stalin. Both were ruthless socialist fascist dictators. Both slautghered millions of innocent people. Both were anti-semintic. It was Hitler's war to lose, and he did. First by stopping the Citadel champaign prematurely. 2nd failing to develop long range bombers. And finally failing to take Moscow, by choosing to strike Belgrade Yougosalvia instead, delaying Barbarosa by 3-4 critical weeks. We all could be speaking Greman now.
ddavis0144 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 yes: Nazi ideology would undermine any GA ideas of liberating subject peoples from Bolshevism. The 'Moscow Option' idea was developed years ago by David Downing in a 254 page alternative history supported by extensive documentary evidence. Even with this hub of Soviet politics, industry and transportation in GA hands, they were still doomed by dictatorial inadequacy in command; the lowest and medium military groups would do their duty, but in the highest echelon there was a malaise
elrjames777 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 No, this is not a fact. Hitler and Stalin were completely different and only idiots can't see that. Stalin killed people to secure the development of his country to bring the world a paradise, he just didn't care about individual life. But he didn't kill people because he hated them and wanted them to die. Hitler wanted to exterminate all Jews, Slavs and Gypsies, turn some remnants into illiterate slaves and turn Moscow into a huge artificial lake.
HelenaXVI 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 The Gulags were labor camps and not extermination camps as in Germany. People died there from the harsh conditions but they weren't sent there to die. In 1933, 15% of the inmates died, in 1942-43 around 25%, in all other years it was less than 10% and in the '50ies even less than 1%. That means that the majority was released by the authorities while in German camps the weak were killed upon arrival and the stronger ones were exploited economically until they died.
HelenaXVI 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 Stalin worked hard to make people literate and create professionals as teachers, pilots and scientists, while Hitler abolished all education. Slavs only had to know how to count and write their won name, anyway. Stalin worked hard to get people into the cities. In 1917, every second inabitant of Kiev was Russian. 10 years later it was less than 1 in 5.6, because the regime stimulated ethnic Ukrainians to move to the towns.
HelenaXVI 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 While Hitler worked to stave and bomb cities like Leningrad and Kiev to leave only handfuls of people in the country. In Ukraine people eventually sang "Down with Hitler the liberator, long live Stalin the oppressor", and joked "What did Hitler do in 2 years that Stalin couldn't do in 20 years? Make us love the Soviet system".
Stalin didn't take his personality cult seriously, it was done for him by other people and he only used it for practical purposes.
HelenaXVI 8 months ago
@ddavis0144 Hitler took all the claims about himself seriously and practices hard for his public performances.
The differences between Stalin and Hitler were enormous and if you don't know that, you're a fucking plebian idiot. I have two good books for you: The Dictators by Richard Overy, and Harvest of Despair by Karel C. Berkhoff. Read those two and then come back to tell me that Stalin and Hitler were the same.
HelenaXVI 8 months ago
@HelenaXVI I think Stalin was even worse than Hitler.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin You're free to think that the Earth is pyramid-shaped, if you want.
HelenaXVI 6 months ago
@HelenaXVI Stop airing irrelevant phrases and say something constructive diminishing my argument.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@YoWoof oh thats a load of bull Stalin had killed more people than hitler did. he sent poeple to Gulag camps which were know to be almost just like concentration camps. The Russians were just as bad as anyone else.
RedDeadAintDead 8 months ago
I find it interesting at 1:50 there is a Flak 88 wide open with no cover in the middle of a field. The Germans must have had complete air supremacy still at this time.
emmteez1 8 months ago
liebe ist fur allen da
Weisstot 9 months ago 2
@YoWoof So get your facts straight moron.
GodwinCarpenter 9 months ago
@YoWoof The Russians killed and raped their way through all of eastern Europe right up to Berlin. They also massacred civilians out of hand. The Russian civilians killed were part of the overall Nazi effort to steamroll through Russia, it was not an effot to wipe out the Russian population. The Soviet had a systematic policy to liquidate the German population from the Baltics and East Prussia. East Prussia suffered over 2 million rapes in a period of 6 months. Berlin had over 60,000 in 3 days.
GodwinCarpenter 9 months ago
@GodwinCarpenter If you know about your family has been murdered brutally what would be your reaction to the murderers ? and for the killing of 3000 in US by extremists how many innocents have been killed by the westerners in Afghanistan ? Count the numbers you biased guy !
Ranganbratschin 8 months ago
Danke fuers verständliche Hochladen mit englischen Untertiteln.
notaire2 1 year ago
Russians faced horrible casualty losses also in spring 1943. Germans actually mauled them so heavily that advantage after Stalingrad was lost immediately. That's why the official Soviet war history didn't want to remember that battle of Kharkov in spring 1943 much.
tranmere789 1 year ago
@nikolamancic1 "Who sane gives a shit about the final German losses." You, my friend, are a genuine cunt. The Germans, did infact slaughter thousands. But the Russians were way more brutal. Do look up "the Battle of Berlin" my friend? :)
Tyco200 1 year ago
es dificil esta batalla
chochito78 1 year ago
I am German and I dont care about Hilter and Stalin both where evil characters. Russian always claim themself as victims but they forgot that Stalin did the same to the Fin´s
tricontes 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this. It is good to see such historical accounts.
slick4401 1 year ago
Seig Heil. 3rd SS Totenkopf held Karkov for nearly a month, with up to 360,000 russians killed. Btw Stalin was worse than hitler but unfortunetly the victor is the one who writes the history.
DXNaThaNXD 1 year ago
FUCKING RUSSIAN SHIT VIVA GERMAN -HUNGARIAN BRUDERSCHAFT
vocelka 1 year ago
Khrushchev, bitch, wanted to show off, because he had so many soldiers taken prisoner.
AlexxSerega 1 year ago
Das ist doch alles nur Propaganda von 42. Sonnenschein und immer nur Vorwärts!!
Read some authentic books about these war!!!!
magnusmcgraw 1 year ago
JA SAKSALAISET SAI TURPAAN URAKALLA ETTÄ OMA JOHTAJAKIN AMPUI VIIMEKÄDESSÄ ITSENSÄ Hail fuck hitler
Nannu65 1 year ago
I see those cute Italian...
lom1945 1 year ago
@18seki, you look happy, sorry to waste your party, cause those "Russkies" blow the shit out your NAZI GERMS.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@SuperRatchetclank Where's your USSR now bitch? The Afghans kicked your ass
jackzero99 1 year ago
@jackzero99, Hey Muslim dickhead, Vietnam kick your ass in a very humiliated way.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@jackzero99, oh I should say U.S born fascist/Pusslim.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@jackzero99 and now the Afghans are doing the same thing to America, who was stupid enough to train them and supply them with weapons and money.
DrunkOnScotsWhisky 10 months ago
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky That was 30 years ago you inbred dumbass. Do you really think any of that money or those weapons are still around? Over 40,000 soviet scum dead in Afghanistan. Nothing better than dead communists. Plenty of your limey scum died over there a few hundred years ago. You inbred limeys are so stupid you sent more of your inbreds to die over there again. More of you dumbasses will die in Libya too
jackzero99 10 months ago
@jackzero99 There is still plenty of Soviet/American/British hardware left in Afghanistan, and the Soviets lost approx 15,000 Soldiers in Afghanistan compared to about 54,000 American "scum" in Vietnam. The USA will fail in Afghanistan just like the Soviets did, and the USA couldn't even invade the country on their own they needed 40+ countries to help them, without the continuing help of these countries America would have been forced from Afghanistan within at least two years.
DrunkOnScotsWhisky 10 months ago
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky You limey scum lost 994,000 inbreds during WWI along with your empire. The communist scum lost 26 million in WWII. You limey scum had to come begging to America for help in WWI & WWII. You inbreds couldn't finish off what you started. Now you beg for American help while you invade Libya for oil
jackzero99 10 months ago
@jackzero99 America came begging for help in Afghanistan and Iraq which they invaded for oil. Besides America entered world war 2 to fight the Empire of Japan, Europe had nothing to do with it and the USA NEVER declared war on Nazi Germany, Germany declared war on the USA because Japan was their ally. American help in world war one was miniscule, you fought what the last six months of the war too late to even make a discernable differance.
DrunkOnScotsWhisky 10 months ago
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky the US could have managed without help if necessary and most of those "40" countries contributed next to nothing the US kept you in the war twice without American industry Germany would have won W W I and maybe even W W II but it not Soviet power was the main force fighting Germany the UK's main contribution was blockading germany but they almost got blockaded themselves with the U-Boat war
elamite66 10 months ago
@elamite66 Yes ! It is said that in the war Soviets lost blood, Americans lost money and British lost time.
Ranganbratschin 8 months ago
@DrunkOnScotsWhisky the US has 4 million active soldiers and 60 million inactive. i think theyl be ok
WantaBucket4urCryz 9 months ago
@jackzero99 what's your ethnic background? since you like to throw the insults around Yes I know like myself you are American at least I think so but what's your ethnic background? or don't you want to say? I'm English Irish Scots-Irish German French Dutch and Swedish that I know of Why do you bring yourself down to this idiots level?
elamite66 10 months ago
@jackzero99 And the Viets blowed your bellies up.
SuperRatchetclank 7 months ago
@SuperRatchetclank At leas the USA still exists. USSR is kaput.
jackzero99 7 months ago
@jackzero99 But Russia has rise once again thanks to the new reforms of Vladimir Putin, Medvedev. Btw, this is the 21e and U.S. economy is drowning...
SuperRatchetclank 6 months ago
@SuperRatchetclank Then go and live in that neo-nazi shitland.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin Why neo-nazi bitch, I'm a wild boy commie. You should go back to your economical downgrading lowlife shitland NAZI.
SuperRatchetclank 6 months ago
@SuperRatchetclank Hey, me and a neo-nazi, what a joke !
Russia is full of idiot right-wing scumbugs chanting slogans for Hitler who slaughtered their forefathers in a wholesale rate. So why Russia is not a neo-nazi shitland ?
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin Way to go, you truly have some issues, you think everybody in Russia are Neo-Nazis. You need a shrink, you're getting to much hallucinations.
SuperRatchetclank 6 months ago
@ScaredPiglet, you leave me alone asshole, socialism will always be there to fuck the Neo-Nazi scum. I am also an engineer and I create things you can't imagine. If a war ever happen again in the magnitude of race cleansing, we know how to deal with people like you. Don't try to hide your NAZI intentions cause we know who you are.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
Long live Socialism who crushed the NAZI scum.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@ScarePiglet, you play to much MODERN GAYFARE, and go to NEO-NAZI conventions, you get brainwashed and raped as well by your own patriots. You just wish to exterminate all the "dirty" races well its too bad because more then 70% of them are socialists.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@SuperRatchetclank You are just plain stupid and filled with hate. Neo-nazi is politics and racism. The topic of this video is war, totally unrelated to your rant. Get it?
You are one of those miserable, politically correct types who is still duped by the propoganda of the 1940's. Now is 2010, Time to learn and move on from old hate, especially hate created by politicians.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
Fried ScaredPiglet bacon... LMAO, HA! HA! HA! that is a good one.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@ScaredPiglet, go fuck yourself NAZI lover, I have Jewish origins too, so what ??? What are you going to know. Stupid Redneck.
SuperRatchetclank 1 year ago
@ScarePiglet, NOBLE cause that is biggest bullshit I ever seen, German soldiers have done worst things to humanity than any other army in the world, if that "crazy" Stalin wasn't there, Nazi Germany would have exterminated 2/3 of the world population. Which includes: Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Slavics, Asians and other indigenous people. Damn, you are really one stupid Nazi scum. I bet you are one those NEO-NAZI KKK SKINHEAD trash.
Nickael7 1 year ago
@ScarePiglet, the scum here is you my friend, because I hate NAZIS white trash supremacist. BTW, keep the insult deep inside your ASS. Its too bad that Nazi Germany no longer exist, cause I'll enjoy melting them. Here you are the worthless man, I have done a lot of good for society (mech. & material, automation engineering) what about YOU. I made machines that you can't fucking imagine
Nickael7 1 year ago
The Germans fought bravely and for the noble cause of holding back the Bolshevik hordes. Any of you haters who rant about how 'evil' the Germans are should spend time in a communist prison and after a few years of torture and forced labor you might come to realize that maybe commies are not the heroes you imagine them to be.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
@ScaredPiglet WTF u says !!!! russians saves the world , withoout em u would speak german now asshole
nukzar 9 months ago
@YoWoof You deserve to be gang-raped and then tortured to death for that kind of hate.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
8:12 - Matilda II
Hobbyfreund 1 year ago
stupid dirty german animals. I had to wipe Germany off the map of Europe in 1945.
mphet26 1 year ago
@mphet26 You need to be castrated and tortured to death.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
italians? lol
Rico8458 1 year ago
The German SS were not better than Siberian troops. The Germans fought a noble war? How? By killing over 6 million Jews? Or by and killing over 20 million Women and Children. Go back to Germany you fucking cock sucker.
fjdomanico 1 year ago
@fjdomanico Your rant is just a load of witless hate.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
Пусть покажут съемки, начиная с 19 ноября 1942 года.))))))))) А мы посмеемся.
imtp72 1 year ago
@eric5906, so this is it you join the Nazi war machine, all those tanks, infantries, aircraft and subs for absolutely nothing what a waste of life and natural ressources. Then You will know what is true meaning of pain. NAZI monger. If this were to happen again, we know now how to deal with this kind of trash. BTW, this device is not your regular atomic/hydro/neutron bomb, its something far more "GRUESOME". HAggh, Uhmmm the mess... :-)
Nickael7 1 year ago
@Nickael7 Before typing up your sermon of hate and bigotry, first ask yourself how badly you need to hate on people to feel good about yourself.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
@eric5906, with the technological knowledge I have, I would had molten down many Nazis (you hear melt them not burn them). You have absolutely no idea of what i work with the government. Yes I know Stalin killed more people, but Hitler would have done worst all around the world if the red army didn't steamrolled them, isn't that logic Mr.Eric5906.
Nickael7 1 year ago
@Nickael7 Any word yet on the Nazi Melter? It's been a whole year and nothing, not even a beta version.
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv The NAZI melter is called a NEUTRON collider (its what is going to replace the neutron bomb), sounds familiar to you.
Nickael7 4 months ago
@stnwllstv Are you A NAZI sympathizer ???
Nickael7 4 months ago
@Nickael7 Nope, not a nazi sympathizer or a communist sympathizer for that matter.Just curious about the Nazi Melter.Will it work on other groups too, like islamic terrorists?What happens if the nazi's get their hands on this tech?Can they use it to make a Commie Melter?
stnwllstv 4 months ago
@stnwllstv For destroying Pusslims no problem. LOL For Nazis to get it, I don't think so. Nazis and Pusslims make the best stupid combination for the melting. High dose of Neutron radiation melts the skin from the bones. So don't mind the mess... ;)
BTW, commies hate religions... I am anti-religion specially against the Pusslims. I hate Islamism and Nazism.
Neutron radiation quoted by Samuel Cohen is the quintessence of doom. Which I agree, the Neutrons are concen. at high dose Part-Acc.
Nickael7 4 months ago
@Nickael7
Funny how so many people will call you a Nazi if you openly admit to hating Islam.
madhammudeux 3 months ago
@madhammudeux Funny how Islam was tightly related with the hating of the Jews !
Remember Mufti...
Nickael7 3 months ago
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n1a2t3h4a5l6i7e8 1 year ago
And at all times, the German army was at that time the most advanced.
Some of whom history so learned nothing - nothing to attack our territory, our cause is just, we still win.
AlexxSerega 1 year ago
When Comrade Stalin people were killed in the building or from starvation. And when Hitler burned millions of people alive, hanged or shot. Germany three times attacked the territory of the Union, the first time April 12, 1242 under the leadership of Alexander Nevsky were defeated Teutonic Knights on the ice Peipsi. The second time was the capture of Berlin September 28, 1760 Russian troops under the command of General 3.G. Chernysheva (23 thousand people.), And the third time in 1945.
AlexxSerega 1 year ago
@ScaredPiglets Germany would have done worst things around the world if Russia didn't crash the Nazis. BTW, I have jewish and hispanic blood in me, I have tremendous hatred against nazis and other racist scums who support this kind of white trash.
Nickael7 1 year ago
@Nickael7: So you're saying you would've supported Stalin and his thugs? Guess we would've been on opposite sides. Piss on Communism.
eric5906 1 year ago
@Nickael7 haters like you worthless scum. Keep your hate to yourself cause they world does not need negative assholes like you in it.
ScaredPiglet 1 year ago
die Spagettifresser hatten sich schon auf und davon gemacht
feiges Pack
Panzergrenadier378 1 year ago
i like russians and germans.two great nations.russians by blood and language,germans for centurys long alliaship.
btw i dont support dictatorship regimes,i like the ppl
astifan1 1 year ago
Two groups of socialists, each murdering the other over which faction got to enslave the rest of us. How sad.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Who was socialist ? Nazis ?
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin What? You mean the National Socialists were socialists?
Yeah, as a matter of fact. That's exactly what I mean.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Then you should know that they did opposite to what socialism is called.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin Not at all. They were actually more authentically socialist than the Bolsheviks were.
That's nothing to be particularly proud of, mind. Socialism is synonymous with piracy. It's an elaborate intellectual justification for a kleptocratic state apparatus.
It's too bad the Nazis and Bolsheviks couldn't have exterminated each other exclusively, and let the non-socialists alone. We'd all have been better off without these murderous thieves amongst us.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Read the Nazi ideology on economy carefully and only then you will understand.
Ranganbratschin 6 months ago
@Ranganbratschin You mean the part where Jews are to be disposed of because they're capitalists exploiters by nature? Funny - I think they got that bit in part from Karl Marx's criticism of "huckstering" Jews.
So much for condescension. Try something else.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Nonsense. Nazis relied heavily on private corporations, while they outlawed unions.
BusterXXXL 6 months ago
@BusterXXXL The Bolsheviks relied heavily on the same sort of state-owned corporations, and outlawed any alternative socialist factions or union organizations. The Nazis ran their own worker union, run by the state, just as the Bolsheviks and all other Leftist factions have.
It's "nonsense" to think of fascism as some sort of end state of capitalism. Instead it's a reform of a totalitarian socialism, that enslaves business people without killing them, so that the bills get paid..
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel Krupp, Siemens and IG Farben were never state-owned, moron. Mussolinis call to power was to end the "corrupt" state and bring the rich old families back. Hitler was installed by Germany's industrial dynasties. Fascism IS capitalism run wild.
And the Nazis had no worker unions. Prove me wrong, tell me the name?
BusterXXXL 6 months ago
@BusterXXXL Krupp, Seimans and IG Farben were permeated by Nazi Party members, and did what the Nazi Party told them to do - by law. Similarly Tupolev, Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov and Mikoyan-Gurevich were run by Bolshevik party members. The Bolsheviks even had a Ford motor plant in Nimzhy Novgorod under license.
The Nazi trade union was called the German Labour Front or DAF. This was in keeping with the same policies of Gleichschaltung that the Nazis controlled German industry with.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel The owners of Krupp, Thyssen, IG Farben and other industrialists joined the Nazi Party early on and out of free will, to get better access to massive armament contracts.
None of their corporations were ever expropriated or nationalised. All the leverage, the Nazis ever had over them, was through Wehrmacht contracts. No law needed, just good old money.
Gleichschaltung, the process of centralizing federal administration, and controlling the media, never touched the industry.
BusterXXXL 6 months ago
@BusterXXXL And the leaders of Tupolev, Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov and Mikoyan-Gurevich were Bolshevik party members, and were as much controlled by the Bolsheviks in regards ouptuts and quotas as were Krupp, Thyssen and IG Farben in Germany. In fact, unlike the Soviet counterparts, when Thyssen was at odds with the Nazis he was thrown in prison and his firm was directly nationalized.
Gleichschaltung policy established Nazi control over all aspects of German society - especially industry.
DrCruel 6 months ago
@DrCruel and BusterXXXL Why don't you two just describe the difference as follows: Both were "socialist" with the following difference. The Bolshevik brand demanded "class warfare" that led to mass killings. the Nazis REFUSED class warfare and demanded "class harmony" instead and so did not engage in "class" killing. So they are NOT the same. That explains the astonishing success of the Germans from 1933 to 43 until sheer scale overwhelmed them.
historatia 5 months ago
@historatia I will conceded that Nazism was a "reform" of Marxism, one in which racism (particularly against Jews) replaced the classism of the Bolshevik secular religion. But much of the anti-Semitism that guided the Nazi ideology was also present amongst the Bolsheviks too.
Germany's military success during this period has more to do with their institutionalized officer staff system, see Dupuy's "A Genius for War". What the Nazis provided was a socialized national economy retooled for war.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel 1. Gleichschaltung was NOT "reform" of Marxism. In fact, since Maxism was the EXTREMIST form of socialism that distinguished itself by it radical call for the extermination of the capitalist classes Gleichschaltung was the complete OPPOSITE. In the German socialism (from Bismarck on) it was a tenet that the capitalist class MUST HARMONIZE itself to the interests of the nation as a whole, and all classes must work together.
historatia 5 months ago
@historatia Yes - that's a reform of Marxism. Marxists seized the measn of production, but murdered the experts who knew how to manage companies. This proved unworkable, so Mussolini came up with a modified system that allowed the capitalists to live on as governmental appendages. This system was later refined by the Nazis, to basically assimilate both worker and management organizations under governmental control.
Your connection between German socialism and Bismarck is on the mark as well.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel 2. The failure of British and American, (and particularly "classic liberal -friendly" Jewish historians) to understand this crucial difference is what prevent them to this day from being able to explain the immense success of Hitlers early years in getting unemployment down from 32% to 8% by 1935 BEFORE the arms industry was a major part of the economy. (The above comment is not a criticism of Jewish historians, just an OBSERVATION from readings.)
historatia 5 months ago
@historatia If so, how then do you explain the massive rise of both US and Soviet industry during the war years (see John Ellis, "Brute Force")?
German output was indeed high during this period, but the Nazis were not responsible for it. In fact, the Nazi's parochial ideas about employing women actually hindered their industrial output during the war. They did employ effective means to combat unemployment, however - methods that would be adopted elsewhere, particularly the US.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel 3. While my father was professional military senior Luftwaffe, I discount your "institutionalized officer staff" explanation. The military success had more to do with the higher "organization" attributes and education of Germans. Thus the military strategy/structure/philosophy -- until Hitler changed it in late 1943 -- was to issue the "orders" as objectives and let the responsible officers down the command chain implement strategies independently. No micromanagement from above.
historatia 4 months ago
@DrCruel 4. Your comment "..the Nazis provided was a socialized national economy retooled for war." is an unfortunate prejudice of all the propaganda as it implies that "war" was the reason to retool the economy. It was not. A more correct understanding is that Hitler and the Nazis sought to reassemble, rebuild and make strong the Germany ripped apart by Versailles, including reclaiming the previously German"Ostmark" for "Lebensraum" and bring prosperity to a united Germania.
historatia 4 months ago
@DrCruel 5. The best evidence for that is that the Germans were actually NOT well prepared for war, (the Poles shot up 40% of the Wehrmacht armour, the French military had MORE tanks, artillery and men that the Wehrmacht, no winter clothing for Operation Barbarossa, etc etc etc.) The suggestion that Hitler and the Germans "wanted war" is the unfortunate fiction of the decades of propaganda. That diverts attention from and the understanding of the war on a more factual basis.
historatia 4 months ago
@DrCruel 6. While I'm often accused of it, I am not a Nazi, do not support Nazi-ism, and am not a fan of Adolf Hitler. I do like my understanding of history to be basid on truth rather than propaganda fiction. I find it counter-productive for propagandists to deliberately obscure the things that were introduced by the Germans during the period 1930 to 1940 that were inventive and successful. It poisons relationships unnecessarily.
historatia 4 months ago
@DrCruel The "Gleichschaltung" policy introduced by the Nazis was re-established -- with remarkably few modifications -- by the West Germans in the mid-1950's and their 'social market economy' has been operated on those principles every since. Quite different than the US-type economic management that relies on deficit financing and Wall Street greed for its investment guide policy.
historatia 5 months ago
@historatia Indeed. Many of the socialist reforms introduced by the Nazis to combat the Great Depression would be adopted by the United States under FDR. See Garraty's "The Great Depression".
I'm particularly fond of James Burnham's managerial model, which better explains the rise of what we consider "socialism" these days. I think it more aptly explains the rise of the PRC, and also why we associate socialism with a massive nepotistic, bureaucratic state kleptocracy.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@BusterXXXL Oh yeah. Forgot something.
You called me a moron, didn't you. Either you're a thick-headed arse or a deliberate liar. So fuck you too.
DrCruel 6 months ago
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BusterXXXL 6 months ago
Every one carnt stand the German`s. Ya a bunch of murdering bastards . You will go down and stay down in history as the murdering vile race that you`s are FUCK OFF
danielchilds1 1 year ago
This is just a propaganda. The true is that only German divisions take real fight with soviets. It's well known that is the just Hungarian, Italian and Romanian units turn back to soviets when they attack north wing of army group Don or their left wing as you all rather prefer.
Hungarian, Romanian and Italian divisions fight ??? It's make me laugh. They been only a great burden to a German army. They always run like a rabbits when Ivan attacks.
Ustashas ended like it need at Stalingrad.
FurijeKamil 1 year ago
Just as well Hitler was mad or the Germans might have won, the Americans won the war, the British played their partr but without the American resources Britain would have had eventually been straved into submission, the world is a much better place than if the Nazi's had won as they were homocidal gangsters who had no love for humanity
cf212121 1 year ago
also go watch: UKRAINE HOLOCAUST
watcherwatcher2 1 year ago
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from Wikipedia on Ukraine:
In the 9th century, much of modern-day Ukraine was populated by the Slavic tribes. The so-called Kievan Rus was founded by Rus' people, Varangians who first settled around Ladoga and Novgorod, then gradually moved southward eventually reaching Kiev about 880. Kievan Rus' included the western part of modern Ukraine, Belarus, with larger part of it situated on the territory of modern Russia.
watcherwatcher2 1 year ago
@kikexx100 I guess a fucking moron like you can't understand English. Hitler did not want war with England and France. They declared war on Germany. Hitler wanted the land and raw materials in the USSR
jackzero99 1 year ago
it was a masterpiece of Von Paulus and his 6 army before Stalingrad and the last time Germans were able to destroy a great number of soviet divisions in a sack (here and also near Leningrad during the summer)
armaduck2000 2 years ago
Hitler was such a very nice person:)
asutoshpanda 2 years ago
stukas!!!!!!!!!!!!
RedOrchestraFan 2 years ago
Some of you are such idiots. Learn some history. Hitler himself said that he did not want war with England. He was not interested in African colonies or dominating the seas. He wanted land in in the east.
jackzero99 2 years ago 10
ignorance is bliss. hitler wanted to rule the world. if he won ww2, he then would have turned on his allies. do you really belive he had any love for the dirty italians? romanians, hungarians, ect? He didnt want war with England only so he didnt have to face a two front war from the start
willypete2171 2 years ago
@willypete2171 Yes, ignorance is bliss, which is proven by your post.
jackzero99 2 years ago
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chrisburchardt 2 years ago
Bismarck before him said that the whole of the Balkans weren't worth the bones the bones of a single Prussian grenadier. Then blood-slavering whore-son Bomber Harris twisted it round, not even original, motherfucker! And, just by the way, way the "bouncing bomb" was invented by the Italian Stuka pilots in the Med! Bismarck never wanted colonies! Nor even return of Elsass-Lotharingen!
chrisburchardt 2 years ago
@jackzero99
DavidHill333 9 months ago
How can anyone feel sorry for the germans, they didnt even get what they deserved. Germans got of way to easy and got all kinds of help for the west. The germans killed 30 million people in Russia in less then 4 years. The only mistake the germans made and not the first time was to attack Slavic nations. It proves the insanity of the german people, if you do something over and over and get the same result and dont change you are insane.
CSHOOLIGAN 2 years ago
You're a fucking embasil. The German people of today are still paying fucking reperations for WW1 and WW2. That's compelte bullshit, they've paid enough and the German people now had nothing to do with those wars. So fuck liberal cocksuckers like you who always use Germans as the scapegoat when in actuality every side committed crimes in that war.
12Oc7ock 2 years ago 7
Yes many countries are still damaged because of the war. Germany has paid reperations but 99% of the people that lived through the war never benefited from any of it anyway so that is not realy a good excuse. Every side did comit crimes but still the fact remains its germans that started everything. Germans today have nothing to do with it but it seems like they view their country as an equal victim. You should watch here is germany on YT, this ww2 educational video will teach u german history.
CSHOOLIGAN 2 years ago
"still the fact remains its Germans that started everything" Yet no one said the UK and France had to declare war.
thatkidinthegreenhat 2 years ago
you must be the village idiot
CSHOOLIGAN 2 years ago
That is your great comeback? Had the UK and France not made promises they couldn't keep, they would not have had to go to war in 1939. Seeing as you probably believe the UK and France declaring war is justified. How is it justified the UK lost everything to help maintain the Independence of Poland? In the end Poland was sold out to the communists anyways.
thatkidinthegreenhat 2 years ago
Who cares when they declared war, germany would have invaded France and UK anyway. I do think them declaring the war against the germanic barbarian hordes was justified, because it was self defence. Britan and France didnt help Poland, most of the helping was done by Polish soldiers. What did England lose to help Poland? England and France gained from what the Russians worked for.
CSHOOLIGAN 2 years ago
"Germany would have invaded France and UK anyway" Good one. Germany wanted and alliance with the UK. The UK lost its empire because of the war. The financial costs primarily. Its cities were bombed. The once great Royal Navy became second to the US Navy. "Britan and France didnt help Poland" They went to war for the Independence of Poland.
thatkidinthegreenhat 2 years ago
Im sure the poor 3rd world people being exploited by England were not so sad to see England give them independence. They went to war for national interests not to help Poland. If they wanted to help Poland they would have attacked Germany on September 2 1939. England was not useless because they did help represent Polish interests alittle. For example, Churchill porposed to expand Polands borders west after Stalin decided USSR borders.
CSHOOLIGAN 2 years ago
First of all chump its The United Kingdom. England is one state of the United Kingdom. That would be like me referring to the USA as New York. "They went to war for national interests" What interests were those? Had Germany destroyed the USSR that would have been one major enemy of the UK gone. The the UK could have concentrated its efforts against the Japanese. I guess the countries of eastern Europe were happy when your hero Stalin "liberated" them. The great slav liberators the Soviets.
thatkidinthegreenhat 2 years ago