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  • This is so awesome!!! True words from heaven giving through men who know and truly knew God

  • Do you believe that we are all just smart primeval soup that ordered itself by chance over millions of years, without a reason for you to live or do you believe that God made everything, including you, and you do have a purpose to live? What if you are wrong? What if God exists and when you'll die one day you'll go to Hell?If I'm wrong, I just die and then I won't feel a thing. Pretty high risk you r taking! You either die or you go to Hell. I either die or go to heaven. Jesus loves you!

  • These are the last of the true witnesses of Christ. Soon they will also be swept away by the churches that have joined the world.

  • Thank you Jesus for saving my from my sins. I hope to see you soon!

  • The time is close now. Yahweh is coming soon.

  • i want to meet you and talk to you in personal..i want to share personally to you about my heartache,and some miracle happend to my life...but i think its too late...=((((((

  • What is the name of the pastor at 1:39?

  • It's been a long time....I forgot the true message....I am humbled by it. Jesus forgive me.

  • Jesus comes like a thief because ppl aren't watching, or they would already know who the antichrist is, by reading their bible. Jesus is going to come before the antichrist does for some ppl who aren't watching. So, don't say he won't come until the antichrist is revealed because most christians are going to church every sunday and think that the antichrist is going to call them up on the phone and say "Hey it's me, The Antichrist, i'm finally here!" lol

  • We as a people of the Lord need to open our mouth and speak on sin for i was a sinner a lover of women smokeing weed newports lying to myself, But thank you Lord for your grace on my llife lord softing my heart lord i give myself away for you can use me, Lord use me.

  • If you really want to know the real purpose of life, watch some of the videos on my channel!

  • There is a famine in the land of real godly men who seek to honor and please God and not tickle the ears of thise who have just a form of godliness.The LORD IS HOLY and Bro.Wilkerson had a passion for holiness.I will greatly miss him

  • The Bible says that the rapture of the saints (the great catching away ) will not happen until two things happen first. #1 a great falling away...#2 the man of sin( the antichrist) is revealed. These events have not happened yet. but when they do be ready. After the antichrist reveals himself then we have 3 1/2 years left. Jesus himself said that he would come back immediately after the tribulation of those days. This flys in the face of alot of what is being taught today by endtime preachers.

  • It is utterly and beyond impossible, for two separate genders, to evolve into a male and female, and to be able to produce offspring. And this holds true for every living creature on earth. There is a God, and there is only one God. Pray for those who don't believe, that the scales will be removed from their eyes.

  • R.I.P.

  • Two thousand years of blind denial. You are following pale illusions. As you listen to the false preachers. You delight in this ignorant slavery. The enslavery that is chist. He is the ultimate deception of life. Adorning his empty words. Drown your mind his weakened holiness. The parasite of arrogance. Satan appears to halt this endless folly. Open your eyes and see the dark master. As he crushes your savior into the ground. The blood of christ washes along the shores of hell.
  • @TheDarkLordLucifer You are fucked up. Check into a fucking mental clinic. the devil doesnt exsist you crazy fat fuck. I hope you lose your insolin you diabetic fuck

  • @amluerxray7 he exists alright and so do I.You say I am not real and I will never come but I have come just as I said as a thief.Just as is written.The Parousia has occurred and soon the erchomai will occur.Will I find you with me or against me?

  • @sealsareopen when did i say you were not real? When was i talking to you. You are also crazy

  • @amluerxray7 when you said satan wasnt real you implied Jesus the Messiah wasnt real.As I told you I Am real.And I am here to warn that we are in the last days but people like you will not listen and soon you will understand the foolishness of your ways.

  • @sealsareopen yeah i think jesus was real. he wasnt the messiah of any god. He was a lunatic. today if someone says they are the son of god people laugh at them. Also i dont believe in a god because there is no evidence for one. there is all the evidence in the world for evolution. Please tell me you dont think the end of the world is may 21

  • @amluerxray7 evidence of evolution?????? please!!!!! what evidence???

  • @sealsareopen We share 98 % of our DNA with chimps. There is proof the world is 4.5 billion years old. whales have a pelvis humans have tailbones. I can continue if you would like

  • @amluerxray7 I want evidence not rantings.How about the fact that the Scriptures discuss scientific facts unknown by scientists until thousands of years later.And if we are evolved from apes why are there apes in the world.How did giraffes get their necks.And this big bang nonsense.Where did the elements come from?The Creator SIGNED the universe.He left PROOF not theories.the THEORY of evolution is just that an unproven theory.

  • @sealsareopen We evolved from the same common anscestor as the chimps gorillas bonobos and orangatangs. We are a different breed of ape. Giraffes adapted to their enviroment by growing bigger necks to eat the off the taller trees. Really this "theory" stuff needs to stop. Gravity is also a theory dumbass

  • @amluerxray7 you offer no proof at all and instead engage in circular reasoning.If we "evolved" from apes then why are their still apes.We have the same chromosomes as a cabbage are you saying we evolved from cabbages?

    And to say we came from the same common ancestor proves nothing.maybe the chimps evolved from humans or maybe chimps and humans were CREATED from the same pattern.You said you had proof but we are yet to see anything but conjecture.

  • @sealsareopen The reason there are still apes is because we come from a common anscestor. We split up into different branches on our anscestory tree. Apes are good at living in trees that is why they arnt as smart as us. They climb we walk when we walk we free our hands allowing tool construction which increases brain size over time. Yes every living thing has a common anscestor so we are related to to cabbage just not as closely. I can continue answering any 9 grade biology questions all night.

  • @amluerxray7 You dont give evidence you just rant.We do have a common ancestor though.GOD! The creator the Lord God Jehovah Elohim and of that there is ample proof.He signed His creation.the signature is there for all to see who have the brains to look.You are insulting and you are a fool.Open your eyes and see the world as it is today.After November you will see the full wrath of God.But to you who will perish you will not see what is happening.With the rest of the fools you will perish.

  • @sealsareopen You christians are the most ignorant of all religions. What more evidence could you possibly want. The truth is you will never accept evolution. You cant just say god has a signature. What happens when you are wrong about november huh????

  • @amluerxray7 I wont be wrong.I was not wrong 16 months ago when i told everyone what was coming and it came.Open your eyes.Floods tornados cyclone earthquakes etc etc all OVER the world.All the food crops are gone.the world is on the verge of total famine.wars everywhere.Open your eyes.Your evolution theory doesnt hold water.Where did the elements come from to sustain the big bang?we show you proof and it isnt enough.HERE IS PROOF!The 2nd coming has occurred.I AM HIM!!!Time is short!

  • @amluerxray7 The question is not whether we are wrong, because if we are, it will be completely inconsecuential. The question is, what if You are wrong? Then judgement will fall upon you, and you will receive eternal damnation. Reflect about this, and reconsider your life. May God enlight your heart.

  • @jdnieves Fuck your god you ignorant shit. evolution happend. You can go ahead and suck my dick if you mention the bible

  • @amluerxray7 Wow! You were amazingly fast in your response. However, nothing from you amazes or surprises me. As expected, you incurred to cursing and blasphemy. Also on categorical statements about something that has never been seen or proved. Hope one day you shift your blind faith in evolution, stop being rebellious and turn to Jesus, make him the Lord or your life. God bless you.

  • @jdnieves Dont tell your imaginary friend to do anything to me you ignorant asshole

  • @amluerxray7 Is Evolution a FACT,or is it a THEORY?.Are you opened minded enough to follow the evidence where it leads?

  • @borecleaner1 yes i am open minded thats why i believe in evolution

  • If i preach like this, people usally tell me why do you get mad and angry.

  • @MyLesPaulcopy My name isnt billy you stupid crack head. The only one i pray to is Darwin

  • @jessdoublediz AMEN!!!

  • @jessdoublediz Thank you Jessdoublediz! Well said! Christians need not to fight against one another. We The Body of Christ are to be at peace with one another and not bash anyone. God Bless You.

  • You say my people are from one descent and not another, from one land and not another, are of one faith and not another...but I tell you this, you are all my brethern, from every nation, from every faith. "Children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." Whatsoever you have done unto the least of me....so shall it be yours. The father has given us himself.

  • I love God's Word!!! He is soooo awesome!!!

  • There is no second coming, there is no third coming, because there was no first coming, to begin with.

  • I've been called a nut by Christians who believe a few "cool" curse words are ok once in a while, they call it being normal.

  • do you realise wilkersons a proven 'FALSE PROPHET' !! ...i know it's hard for a lot of people to accept, because even i had a lot of respect for him at one time, ...until i discovered the truth.

  • @sweetnlight37 You should remove your comment. You should not speak badly of any Christian. You are judging this man wrongly. Just because someone makes up a rumor on Wilkerson doesnt make it true or right. Look on snopes if your concerned. When you Judge God's people, you will come under The Judgment yourself. Repent and ask God to show you his light. Truth always wins!

    Jesus is truth! This man is warning on people falling away from the living savior! Get right with God while we breath!!!

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  • please do your research before commenting! ...the Lord has revealed his light to me by showing me that wilkerson IS a 'false prophet' ...should i repent for telling the truth revealed to me by God? ...i already know that Jesus is the truth & that he always wins ...it's so called christians like wilkerson who are losing their faith and falling away, & need to repent! ...it is impossible for the elect to be decieved!, so please make YOUR election sure today ...okay?

    Yah bless.

  • @sweetnlight37 you are voicing a neg opinion on a pastor a man of God! You should be ashamed of yourself and Repent! You must confess this is sin what you are doing, the Bible says you shall not judge or you yourself will be in the danger of judgment! Yes the elect can be decieved, read MATTHEW CH 24:24 You are slandering a man of God, PLEASE keep your neg comments about someone to yourself, you will be held accountable before God for being a stubling block for others. God Bless

  • @CrissandraKostakis it's not an opinion, it's the truth! ...i am not ashamed of the truth and need not repent of it ...matt 24:24 says 'that IF IT WERE POSSIBLE they shall decieve the very elect' ...so please ask the Lord for understanding and for him to take the scales off your eyes ...and since your'e presently incapable of understanding the scriptures and doing your own research into wilkersons abysmal attempts at prophecy, i will no longer be responding to your babelings.

    Y'hshua Shalom.

  • @sweetnlight37 You just said 8 hours ago it is impossible for the elect to be decieved & after i posted the scripture for you then you change what you said.

    If u were a true Christian, serving the Lord Jesus Christ u would not be on youtube bashing Christians. You should be more Christ like if u are a true follower. If one is uncertain of another person he/she should pray and then be silent! NOT judge another believer in anyway shape or form. Jesus said NOT to judge or u too will be judged!

  • @sweetnlight37 You are forming neg oppinions here on youtube about another person, a pastor, a man of God! You should keep silent about anything neg. That is slandering this poor mans name. The bible says to be at peace with one another. What ever your beliefs are you should not ever speak neg about a person, especially in public. Be Godly & be silent ,show others that Christ is living in you. Show The love OF JESUS CHRIST not the devil. When u sow discord ,hate, slander that is from the devil!!

  • best preacher ever "richard dawkins"

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  • go to "wecanknow" website

  • Eze 33:1-11 Amen!

  • Jarid9@ NO ...Jesus will come the second time ....He will come in the clouds . Every eye shall see Him. As He ascended into Heaven , so will He descend in the second coming . Receiving Christ is being born again ....NOT the second coming.

  • AMEN to ALL of this video . We must love not our lives unto death! We must HATE darkness , HATE the works of darkness ,; and be those lights , piercing that great darkness . Its Black and White ; saved or lost , hot or lukewarm ; worldly or Godly . theres to be no middle road ; no sitting on the fence. come on saints .....pray for boldness !!! shake off the shackles of worldliness !!! REPENT !!

  • Respond to this video... That's why most christians don't believe the rapture is going to happen. They say "The Lord delayth his coming (coming after the seven years/Great Tribulation)

  • i cant wait!!

  • I agree but GOD is righteous and Jesus is Holy and the Trinity is LOVE, LOVE and LOVE. Jesus is Coming this I believe but that day May GOD have mercy for the people of the Earth because it is x10 times worst than WW II. Today is not a joyous day because my soul is sad.

  • I am witness of jesus christ. i will describe him for u. jesus is all in white,has a strong voice.power of creation and love and peace r mind bogglin. u have no stress,sadness,worries in u. jesus takes it all away, u can't feel from your knees down u think u r floating. jesus is the one from the beginning. here r the words spoken to me

    I am here

    I am with u

    I will never leave u

    where ever u go I walk with u

    I love u I love u I love u

    I am always with u

    I love u I love u I love u

    Exists...

  • jesus came to me on a cloud just like in his 2nd coming. jesus will come with the power of creation as shown to me and glory he is god. I have stood like Moses,Elijah in front of the creator and the power alone can kill u if no for him holding u alive. Way toooooooooo much powerrrr. I am his witness and I tell u all do everything in your power to be with him. Those who do not at least try will mourn at what they will miss out on. jesus is the best and my hero, im alive becuz of him. god luvs u

  • the 4 corners prophecy happened in 08 the heavens dissolved JESUS DIDNT COME LIKE A THIEF is he \ever coming

  • ppl been saying it for fucking years is it ever going to happen

  • The second coming of Christ is when Christ comes into your heart and grants you salvation in knowing God is within you. Amem

  • Genesis 38:8-10 NASB

    Then Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brothers wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother. Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brothers wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother

  • We all know; Onan the Barbarian, Onan the destroyer. But the H-ly Bible would twist all: Through impregnating the Earth with his River of Life (=his semen) he actually accomplished a H-ly Sacrifice. The people SHOUTNG in this Video are an Abomination in the eyes for her one true and only G-Ddesse, SUN. Do not invest ANY Hopes in a second resurreXXion of a resurrected ZOMBIE.

  • There is no second coming. If I am not mistaken, the second coming was promised within the generation of Jesus,

  • no,some few people misunderstood what Jesus had said and they were corrected in several places in the new testament.

  • I expect Yeshua to return as said in Matthew 24:14, no sooner, no later. I expect Mathew 13:38-42 to mean exactly what it says it described as to the last few days the planet will experience, THEN he will appear. THEN the fan (with him IN his hands) in Matthew 3:12 are the reapers of all humanity of all time, will occure. There is NO secret or mysterious "at any time" appearing. Matthew 24:27 means we all will see & hear him. Suddenly, like a theif appears. Suddenly, not quietly or secretly..

  • Praise Jesus these are true words Christians need to take heed to. Does anyone know who the preacher at 1:17 is. GOD Bless you HolyDesperation for this video.

  • @Roxao9 The guys name is keith daniels

  • To anyone who claims to be a Christian, these are the most important 10 minutes on YouTube. The imminency of Jesus' return has been neglected. He's coming at any moment. We are to watch, hope, pray and overcome the world.

    Hear this, if this message doesn't convict or stir you, you are lost and not saved but deceived. If you say, "Jesus won't come soon. People have been saying that forever," you just proved and fulfilled Bible prophecy. Repent and seek God while His mercy can still be found.

  • We can all pay heed to this message from God.

  • Does anyone know how badly we need Hell and Damnation preaching these days???? Look how far we have fallen!! He is coming so soon!! Don't you feel it? I have been walking with Him for over 16 years and I have never felt as though He were on the verge of appearing until recently. REPENT AND BE SAVED!! THIS COULD BE YOUR LAST WARNING!!!

  • @chefjimm1

    So true.. SO TRUE!

    It's the truth. We need to run to God screaming out to him in repentance so that we can actually change, not a superficial, lukewarm decision that means nothing before God.

  • Yes ,that waiting for the other shoe to drop feeling,tense excitement.

  • @chefjimm1 Yes, I cannot stand to see the wickedness around me, around us.It is so scary.Oh God, please PLEASE bring revival!!

  • @chefjimm1 You are crazy. You are the reason america is so dumb. Did you know that evoulution is a proven fact? There is no evidence of god. And dont say "the Bible" The world is older than 5000 years old get a clue.

  • @amluerxray7 Common sense says that there is a God everything made has a maker. Take a watch its not as complex as you and yet it needs a maker so how much more you? the Bible says its the fool that says there is no God because you love your sin. Repent sinner or perish.

  • @billywarren22 Common sense says there isnt a magical sky god who had a virgin child who was magic. Now thats just me.

  • @amluerxray7 Like the Bible says its the fool that says there is no God. you love sin and hate God look at the universe and all around you creation screams creator but you love sin. REPENT. Take care and God bless.

  • @amluerxray7 NO, evolution is NOT a proven fact. I don't know where you get your information, but that is WRONG, plain and simple. As far as evidence of God, look around you. Who do you think made the trees, the sky, the planets? Perhaps you are too comfortable in your sin, I'm not sure. If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you on this website? Perhaps you're a TROLL. 

  • @HeavensHelp1 Actually it is a theory. That word is what throws people off. Gravity is also a theory. We know exactly how the planets were formed and how the trees were "made". We know the gasses that make up the atmosphere and how they were formed . How can you be sure "god" exsists. There is no evidence for god. NONE. your god only talks to one person at a time. Why wouldnt he talk to everyone so everyone could believe? How could shepards 3000 years ago possibly know more than we do now???

  • @amluerxray7 How could Egyptians 5000 years ago know how to build Pyramids? God does talk to anyone in his Word (the Bible). Also, we can split Molecules but we still have no clue how everything came into existence (there is no scientific evidence for the Big bang!).You know Einstein,and his Theory that the speed of light is the maximum speed?Well, CERN has disproven that just recently.You believe in Evolution by faith in scientists, who are just smart apes by your defenition. Think about it!

  • Old style Hell & Damnation! This unfortunately turns people off and away, more than to His Love and a Fear based on reverence, not scared. He is passionate though.

  • God is Love but He is also a consuming FIRE! We need to be taught the WHOLE Bible not in parts. If people are turned away from this they reject the truth and most embrace apostacy which will lead them straight to Hell!

  • end times = fear mongering, how else would the church get people to believe half the stuff in the bible.

  • @kyledavidbyron 2 timothy said their would be people like talking like you read it ha ha

  • @Commimentfull2JESUS Aside from that not being even close to a proper english sentence, so what? The Koran says there will be doubters, and there are. That doesn't make it a reliable historical document.

  • hey i was not trying to make a proper sentence i rushed my comment. hey did you know that the Koran does not deny that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. here is why the koran say his mother was a virgin if so were would his blood have come from. Jesus is the son of God. yeah yeah

  • @Commimentfull2JESUS Well I am aware than the Koran says Jesus was a prophet of Allah, but I wasn't aware it said son. I'll have to look that up. Still I don't understand how that would affect the historicity of biblical documents concerning hell.

  • I know i was just saying a allah is man it means an Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head, ALLAH, islam god is man. they live for themselves. look it up Jesus is lord he is the only was to God. latter take care.

  • hey hey

  • yeah yeah

  • this video is one giant heresy. may God have mercy on him.

  • you cant prove it ha ha ha now

  • very powerful message, eye opening

  • A Christian is one who trust in Jesus for their salvation, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, Christ died was buried and rose again, and He took my place, paid for my sins, so it is not what I do or don't do that will save me, it is in whom I trust, my sin is covered by the blood of Jesus, I trust Him for my salvation not myself

  • The judgment of God coming upon the earth is RIGHT!

    WATCH AND PRAY, DEAR BRETHREN

    Wow that was awesome

  • acts 2; 17

  • The sermon is called 'Love the appearing' you can find it on the holydesp website as well as fire on the altar

  • Which sermon by Bob Gladstone is used here?

  • David Wilkerson is on top of world events google his page on the net , WATCH,PRAY AND BE READY FOR THE BRIDEGROOM AMEN

  • ACTS 2:38

  • Christ left this earth in a "secret" leaving. NO ONE but His own saw Him leave. The angel said He would return for His own the SAME WAY. Acts 1:9-11

  • 26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

    KJV

  • Jer 33:24-26

    Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

    25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

  • Joel 3:20-21

    ut Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

    21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.

    KJV

  • Isa 34:8

    For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

    KJV

  • Dear Lord, Help us to see and hear you. Help us to reach the lost. Help let us be the light into darkness. Lord hear our cry, hear our cry.

  • JesusRabbi- AMEN and AMEN!!!!

  • My best advice is be "RAPTURE READY."

  • I refuse to be "rapture ready", because it is not the rapture that happens first. It is Satan that deceives the world first, and then Christ comes back in the clouds in power and glory. (Acts 3:20-21)

  • 2 Thess 2:7-8

    only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,

    KJV

  • go read Daniel 10:13-14, Daniel 10:20-21, and Daniel 12:1

    and Jim, you're the one who doesn't even know the history of our faith. Justin Martyr was not a mystic. He died for his faith in Christ, hence his last name Martyr. Irenaeus was a Catholic Bishop ( and no, he did not believe in the pope or what we know today as Catholic dogma) of Lugdunum in Gaul, now Lyons, France... Irenaeus' taught in direct opposition to Gnosticism .

  • all U know, Jim, is what your teachers tell U, Jim... U have never once N your life read His Word exegetically, or relied on the Holy Spirit 4 guidance. It is the Archangel Michael who restrains Satan right now, not the church.

    When your pre-trib rapture doesn't happen, your bubble is gonna burst, & you're gonna fall 2 the ground, & there's a good chance U might turn your back 2 God & follow the Antichrist

  • Dear Gogeta0064. Have you evey read a real Bible?

  • and yes, I have read the Bible, but the difference is, I don't go into the Bible with a preconceived idea and then try to find proof for my personal interpretation... I simply bring out what the word of God says for itself by examining and comparing other scriptures, going to the original Hebrew and Greek, & reading the verses within it's own context.

    it's called exegesis... bring His Word out and letting it speak for itself... eisogesis is what the Bible forbids us to do (2 Peter 1:20)

  • oh, wait... I guess, today, a "real" Bible would be only a Bible that's been approved by a Dispensational pastor, and I guess to you, the only "real" Bible out there is one that has Dispensational commentary on the side...

    You sound just like John Hagee, a Dispensational and Zionist pastor who has denied that Jesus was not the Messiah

  • Dear gogeta, I think you need to check your double negative in that comment, but I think I know what you meant. No reading of the full of Scripture in its context would bring someone to a Post-Tribulation rapture. It isn't there. There is nothing in Scripture that even suggests that the saved will experience the wrath of God.

    Anyway, I wish you the best. I expect to see you on the way up!

    Blessings,

    Jim

  • yeah, it was a double negative... sorry about that.

    but if you want a scripture that refutes pre-trib, then read 2 Thess. 2:1-4... it is the Archangel Michael who was retraining the Mystery of Iniquity in Paul's time, and it is the Archangel Michael who is restraining the Mystery of Iniquity now in our time... the Word of God does not change just because Thomas Ice or any other Dispensational futurist says it does... you want it more forward, Matthew 24:29-31

  • Dear gogeta0064, The Archangel Michael does NOT have the power to be the Restrainer. NONE but the Holy Spirit would have that power. I think you are watching too much Oprah. There is NOTHING in Scritpure to even hint that this is talking about Michael.

  • then maybe you should go back and read Revelation 12 and Daniel 12.

  • The "children of Daniel's people" are ISRAEL, not the church. The church had not even been revealed in Scritpure at the time of Daniel.

  • and yet wile you sit here and claim that the church it sot in the Old Testament, there are prophecies that were given in the Old Testament relating to "Israel" and were then fulfilled by the church... there is no separation from Israel & the church (Gal. 3:29, Ehp2:11-22, Gal. 6:15-16)

    that is a man-made teaching... even Irenaeus himself was covenantal in his thinking, not dispentational, and it was Scofield who changed the definition of the word "dispensation" in 1909

  • Dear gogeta< If you think the Old Testament promises to Israel are not true and eternal then you are worshipping a "god" that is NOT the Author of Scripoture. "Replacement": Christians have a very hard time proving they believe in the God of Scripture.

  • I do not believe in Replacement Theology.

    I believe in Covenant Theology.

    they are NOT the same.

  • Do they not both deny that the truth of the Old Testament is abrogated by the teachings of the New. The God of the Old Testament is the SAME as the God of the New. If the New Testament can annul the Promises of the Old Testament, you may as well find any "god" that suit your particular needs.

  • no, CT teaches that the God of the OT is the exact same as the God of the NT, shows no partiality 2 any certain nation or individual, including Israel, & calls for an Israel of the Spirit, not an Israel of the flesh (Romans 2:26-29, Gal. 6:15-16)

    it also hold to saving race thru faith... Dispensationalism teaches salvation by works. go read the new definition he gave to the term "dispensation" in 1909

    you really haven't done your research, have you?

  • Dear Gog, To say that you believe in the God of Old Testament and then allow yourself to make up whatever suits your mind to claim what He meant is a silly position to have and then calim that someone else hasn't done his research.

  • says the man who blindly believes whatever his teachers tell him without actually reading the Bible for himself

  • Dear gogeta0064, I began reading the Bible at a very young age.....and I believed what I read without.

  • 2 Tim 2:15-16

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    KJV

  • 2 Peter 1:20

    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

    (KJV)

    Matthew 24:24

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    (KJV)

    2 Thes. 2:3

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    (KJV)

  • What don't you undersand about that? The Antichrist will be revealed before Christ sets his foot on the Mount of Olives and rescues Israel. You should heed your first reference about tampering with the Word of God to suit your own desires.

  • & yet it's your teaching that teaches there is a 1st resurrection B4 the 1st resurrection...

    it's your teaching that teaches there is a last trumpet B4 the last trumpet...

    it's your teaching that teaches the rapture happens B4 the rapture...

    it's your teaching that teaches there is more than 1 way 2 salvation...

    it's this dispenastional teaching that has distorted & twisted the Word of God, WHEN ALL ANTE-NICENE CHURCH LEADERS NEVER TAUGHT IT.

    do yourself a favor & open your own eyes.

  • Jer 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    KJV

    Jer 30:7

    Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    KJV

  • well, your heresy is supposed to happen really soon, so we'll just wait for that day & see what happens...

    & when it doesn't happen, I won't tell you "I told you so".

  • Dear gogeta: If you have put faith in the Blood of Christ as your ONLY means of salvation then during the Rapture I will look over at you and smile.

    Blessings,

    Jim

  • there is no scripture that says there will be a pre-tribulation rapture, 2 Thess 2 is a clear warning about believing such a doctrine. Jesus said "He that endures till the end shall be saved"

  • you will know sooner or later brother

    Gods judgement is no respector of persons

  • yeah, we will know sooner or later...

    I'm prepared for the worst... if it doesn't happen, cool... if it does, then I'm going to be one of the few who won't B living in a dream world of man-made doctrines when the crap hits the fan.

    i hope Christians R prepared 2 actually die for their faith, bcuz that's what's it's going to boil down to: either you'll B for Christ or against Christ... i hope everyone here remembers Luke 17:33 when the time comes

  • yep im ready to die and many of my christian friends are also prepared

  • christ wasnt christian and they called him a herectic while he lived, the christ figure will concentrate mostly on atheists, those are who need to find belief, and i claim to be christ, if you dont believe me then you dont believe me.

    im not bothered who believes me and who doesnt, i just want to get off this planet and back with my own kind.

  • Isa 46:13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

    KJV

  • Acts 3:20-21

    & he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    KJV

    Jude 3

    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, & exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints

    Irenaeus did that

    you're not

  • I wasn't talking about Justin Martyr, dear gogeta0064. You were quoting from the works of Herman and the "gospel" of Barnabas.

  • Jim, I never said they were canonical... & if U want to get technical, then fine, I can do that too: Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Hippolytus, Cyprian, Commodianus, Methodius, Lactantius, Theophilus, Tertullian, Victorinus... ALL of these church leaders...

    THEY NEVER TAUGHT PRE-TRIBULATION.

  • you know what, Jim, we're going to see who's right and who's wrong very, very soon... according to your teachers, IE Jack Van Impe, the night before the New World Order is created, we will all be secretly snatched away into the clouds...

    we'll see who was right:

    the man-made pre-trib teaching...

    or the Word of God.

  • Dear gogetal, Jack Van Impe is NOT my teacher. I have listened to anything he said since he aligned himself with the Pope.

  • Dear gogeta, you have mixed the Word of God with the teachings of mystics and gnostics.

  • The CHURCH is NOT in Matthew 24. The "mystery" of the church was not revealed until Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, unveiled it by heavenly revelation.

    The Antichirst is setting up his arguments of a Matthew 24 taking away the tares to EXPLAIN AWAY the rapture AFTER it occurs.

  • Paul taught against a pre-trib rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4... Christ said, through Paul, that a rebellion would occur first, and then the Antichrist would be revealed.

    you say you know scripture... and yet you haven't even read it for yourself

  • Dear gogeta, Paul say in certain terms that the Antichrist will NOT be revealed until the restraint is REMOVED from the world. The Tribulation is about ISRAEL, not the church. The is the time of the Controversy of Zion.

    Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

    KJV

  • the greatest tragedy is that people are taught a fear based doctrine and are convinced through fear that they won't be here, when, in fact, everyone will be here to see the rise of the Antichrist.

  • Justin Martyr (110-165 AD) Dialog with Trypho, CX Epistle of Barnabas (100 AD) Epistle of Barnabas, IV Shepherd of Hermas (2nd Century) Shepherd of Hermas: 3rd Vision Shepherd of Hermas: 4th Vision Tertullian (145-220 AD) Tertullian: On the Resurrection of the Flesh, XXV Tertullian: On the Resurrection of the Flesh, XLI even Victorinus, a 4th century Bible teacher, taught post-millennialism, but nowhere was pre-trib ever taught
  • You are not qouting Scripture, and using some mystics. You are deluded by rejecting Scripture. You are presenting the SAME arguments the Antichrist will be using AFTER the rapture.

  • you want scripture, alright:

    Matthew 24:13, 1 Thess. 5:1-4, 2 Thess. 3:1-4, Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Matthew 13, Rev. 1:7, Hebrews 9:28, Joel 2:31, 1 Peter 4:12-17, James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 1:1-7, Rev. 20:4-6, Rev. 19, Rev. 11:15-19, Rev. 6:12-17

    1 Corin. 15:52, Daniel 12

  • That is an age old lie. Pre-Tribulation rapture has been taught by Bible believers since the early days of Christianity.