Angle and angel have no relationship in language. The video is filled with nonsense like this when they seem to think if something sounds good, it must be true. It seems odd to make shit up in a video instructing us towards methodical and purposeful thinking.
But really, and this is key, Gene needs to learn how to get to a point and keep direction/relevance--painful. Just tell people to read up on Aristotle/Ayers/Autism and save us this rote gibbldygoop
i have listened to this video about 8 times already, i learn something new every listen and as i continue studying it becomes clearer what is meant by the trivium method.
Either way, great presentation of the basics. Will listen to the Quadrivium podcast soon.
I'll recommend a book which I'm reading now, it's called "How To Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic" by Madsen Pirie and it goes in depth of every logical fallacy.
At minute 14 I am supposed to believe his claim that Angel and Angle come from the same root, by design? One is from Greek angelos (messenger), the other is from Latin angulus (a corner). Unless I'm missing something, it's kind of funny to make an introduction to the Trivium with what seems to be a made-up claim, which in turn makes it more tedious to believe the rest of the podcast without the feeling that the speaker doesn't really know what he's talking about. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought the word zeitgeist referred to mass-public-opinion but you all seem to think it means something else ( an organisation ?!?)
I get the impression that alot of this material was being read ? it just sounded as though gene had not properly understood or digested some of his subject matter.
Hey, I'm reading The Trivium by Sister Mariam Joseph as Gene recommended. In her treatment of general grammar she introduces Aristotle's Categories of Being, and a taxonomy of general grammar (categorematic vs. syncategorematic). I am a bit lost as to how these details are going to be helpful in making a material living in the future. Do you thing this may be going into too much detail? Do you have any recommendations about how much detail to go into in learning the trivium? Thanks.
@HectorLex The idea is to learn how to break down sentence structure into its various parts so that you can see when statements are true or false. How can you make a proper decision if you're unable to break down the information you're getting? If you can't break down the information, how could it help you make any good decisions, business or otherwise? And I think you're confusing getting rich and learning how to use your brain. If you only have that agenda, maybe this isn't for you.
@GnosticMedia Yeah, good points. By the way, how did Gene come to know specifically about the Trivium? I don't recall hearing the details of this particular discovery. Thanks Jan.
@TheSelfGoverned That's a false dichotomy, besides they keep saying it facilitates the way for a material living, I never said I want to be loaded. In our current system we need a little bit of money to survive and focus on our lives, so why so harsh on my comment?
yeah this shit is too fucking boring and not as holy as its said to be, it really doesnt have to be so complex, its all down to reason and critical thinking
@eduardoobregon You're just too used to being spoon fed fast food and corporate media. Settle down and take it in and learn something. You're attitude is what makes it complex.
@eduardoobregon maybe the first one could be a hasty generalization. The last one seems obvious. You're just trying to stir shit rather than being constructive, possibly because your 2012 religion got squashed. Don't hold so tight to your beliefs:"Zeitgeist is here to save the day". No, it's not. Study logic and the fallacies and see how they're lying, study Plato. Don't get so hell bend on protecting shit you haven't verified yourself, like the 2012 nonsense and Timewave Zero.
@GnosticMedia my 2012 religion? sure, oh no! just as I was planning my trip to the woods..! and if you have any single piece of evidence they (zeitgeist) are "lying" show/link some evidence dont just ad hominem, and please dont link a 2 hour film full of out of context quotations "exposing" a film that had not even been released and without any scene, quote or anything from the actual movie its supposed to be "exposing" lol, ...talk about a baseless review.
@GnosticMedia "Zeitgeist is here to save the day"...Can you please elaborate on this?Do mean Zeitgeist as in the spirit of the age here to save the day?But then again what spirit of the age as in what?Thanks.
@GnosticMedia Hmmmm yeah this makes more sense now and yes have seen all 3 documentaries,but wouldn't hold the first one as a source for solution thinking on top the first film went down just as a project for the maker.Now the other 2 yeah the show a more solution think after hearing Trivium and Quadrivium method do recall Gene saying it does resemble The Scientific Method and do know that an Resource Based Economy uses that to improve the planet,but using Scientific Method=appeal to authority?
@eduardoobregon And don't resort to ad hominem attacks, like arrogant, with other people who have spent their time to actually fact check certain ideas, and later find them wrong, simply because you're to lazy to follow up on the research yourself. If you think something is BS, the proper response is to ask for evidence first, and use a proper email address, rather than throwing out baseless ad hominems and accusations on videos that are about the very fallacies you're using.
@GnosticMedia "don't resort to ad hominem attacks" "throwing out baseless ad hominems and accusations" --- "you're to lazy" "You're just too used to being spoon fed fast food" --- lol! and evidence of what? that its boring? that it doesnt have to be so complex with enough reason and critical thinking?
@eduardoobregon Children usually find education boring, so it's no surprise that you're of that opinion. You think because someone uses fallacies that he/she is incorrect. This is a baseless presumption. Instead of taking the constructive criticism from @GnosticMedia you saw it as an attack on yourself, an ad hominem. You are particularly sensitive and insecure.
@eduardoobregon Your liberal use of foul language and aggressiveness immediately discredits you. You'll never learn because you're too dunderheaded to see the the treasure of this video. You're a parrot who repeats what he hears on Youtube videos rather than critically thinking, and then thinks he's an expert. In fact, your "logic" is the antithesis of critical thinking. You're out of your depth in this discussion. Stick to playing your Xbox, I'm sure you could play that all day &never be bored.
@Jinsun202 haha, if you look at your comment, every single sentence is a fallacy. Well done, you seem to be miles ahead of me, fyi i dont have an xbox, lol
Jan learn to pause when your co-commentor is talking, agreeing with you... if you dont' it's sounds like your fighting, it's sounds overly forceful on your part. let your ego shrink just a bit.
Gene is not the most dynamic of speakers. However, if you can focus on the message and not the delivery it's worth your time. (Maybe if you threw a photo of Kim Kardashian in more people would watch.)
One really serious problems I have with the statements made. That to have emotions is a bad thing. It is Emotions that make humans so unique. A psychotic person that has not emotions of empathy can kill just to kill and feels nothing.
That is why anti-depressants cause suicide, it shuts down the emotions to a point the person doesn't even feel alive. They lose the capability to use reason when having suicidial thoughts. I have read the Gosnitc text, but I will be keeping my emotions.
@TheCoolottie It's not about having or not having emotions. It's being able to recognize them and not be controlled by them. Most people today think by their emotions rather than reason, and basing decisions on what feels good, or what have you in a particular moment is very dangerous indeed.
@TheCoolottie Also, at 1:25:35, they speak about "if" Jesus existed and was a historical person, they should be able to prove his existence. In reality, although the writings of the Christian Greek Gospels are the primary proof of his existence, his historic existence is proven also by both Jewish Historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus by their references to his family and his death at Roman hands. (See The Jewish Antiquities & Complete works of Tacitus) BOTH sources non-Christian!
Thanks so much for posting these in full. I think i've probably passed this video out to about 20 or 30 ppl, along with all the other Gene Odening videos. The Trivium and Quadrivium are by far the most valuable tools i have found. I'll keep doing my best to let ppl know about your podcasts. Thank you!
It seems most of the ancient ways of learning/awakening are starting to be known to us again. Let's build the future upon its whole, instead of using one leg from each table..
@fuhoney you are correct, you cant watch this it isnt a video its an audio with a picture. attempt to listen to what is being said, block out the voice in your head telling you its boring or has your attention focused on more material things. im not being negative, i just know whats its like to be distracted by all the fluff in life, this audio will expand your mind and proof of that is in the act of listening to it all. take a risk. turn off Family Guy [& please dont let yr ego be offended]
Jan Is a Great Ineterviewer I always dig the Gnostic Media Podcast and have read and purchased Astrotheology and Shaminism 2nd ed. and loved it...Was Great Info Great Reasearch but as should be im still a lil skepitcal on some issues but for the whole in agree with Jan...Great Work and Keep it up Please I am learning alot...and I am actually a follower of the Teachings of Christ and also dabble with Theurgy.finding truths in the (C)abalah..AMAZING Interview..as well as the next 2 amongts many..
I have listened to the 3 trivium podcast maybe as many as 30 times. Thanks Jan and Gene for the great work. Good luck in your personal life, we all know how women are vindictive and spiteful in the end.
32:45 The word 'art' is a Latin derivative from 'ars' which also means art. No human arms in the etymology of that word. Or perhaps I lack the comprehensive dictionary which corroborates Odening's assertion?
@clubtour I think you do. You just found the immediate origin of the word, not the deeper origin and meaning of the word which is workmanship and therefore "arms". Look at etymonline . com for a thorough explanation of this matter.
Angle and angel have no relationship in language. The video is filled with nonsense like this when they seem to think if something sounds good, it must be true. It seems odd to make shit up in a video instructing us towards methodical and purposeful thinking.
But really, and this is key, Gene needs to learn how to get to a point and keep direction/relevance--painful. Just tell people to read up on Aristotle/Ayers/Autism and save us this rote gibbldygoop
DominoGray 1 week ago
i thought this was the band
xxxBlackSnowxx 3 weeks ago in playlist Trivium - Quadrivium
i have listened to this video about 8 times already, i learn something new every listen and as i continue studying it becomes clearer what is meant by the trivium method.
KnowThySelf9 1 month ago
I noticed this video jumped in 2,000 views over the past couple of days. Hopefully its partially due to how many people i've been forwarding it to :o)
drumknuckle 1 month ago
Either way, great presentation of the basics. Will listen to the Quadrivium podcast soon.
I'll recommend a book which I'm reading now, it's called "How To Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic" by Madsen Pirie and it goes in depth of every logical fallacy.
HmND 4 months ago
Thanks @HmND.
Sweet pointer.
hunkydoryorder 2 months ago
At minute 14 I am supposed to believe his claim that Angel and Angle come from the same root, by design? One is from Greek angelos (messenger), the other is from Latin angulus (a corner). Unless I'm missing something, it's kind of funny to make an introduction to the Trivium with what seems to be a made-up claim, which in turn makes it more tedious to believe the rest of the podcast without the feeling that the speaker doesn't really know what he's talking about. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
HmND 4 months ago
I thought the word zeitgeist referred to mass-public-opinion but you all seem to think it means something else ( an organisation ?!?)
I get the impression that alot of this material was being read ? it just sounded as though gene had not properly understood or digested some of his subject matter.
very interesting anyways thank you.
Drahcir9truthurts 5 months ago
If knowledge is the fruit, then wisdom is the wine.
infinitesimotel 5 months ago
Hey, I'm reading The Trivium by Sister Mariam Joseph as Gene recommended. In her treatment of general grammar she introduces Aristotle's Categories of Being, and a taxonomy of general grammar (categorematic vs. syncategorematic). I am a bit lost as to how these details are going to be helpful in making a material living in the future. Do you thing this may be going into too much detail? Do you have any recommendations about how much detail to go into in learning the trivium? Thanks.
HectorLex 6 months ago
@HectorLex The idea is to learn how to break down sentence structure into its various parts so that you can see when statements are true or false. How can you make a proper decision if you're unable to break down the information you're getting? If you can't break down the information, how could it help you make any good decisions, business or otherwise? And I think you're confusing getting rich and learning how to use your brain. If you only have that agenda, maybe this isn't for you.
GnosticMedia 6 months ago 3
@GnosticMedia Yeah, good points. By the way, how did Gene come to know specifically about the Trivium? I don't recall hearing the details of this particular discovery. Thanks Jan.
HectorLex 6 months ago
@HectorLex "I am a bit lost as to how these details are going to be helpful in making a material living in the future."
lol...This is about expanding your mind, not becoming a corporate whore.
TheSelfGoverned 5 days ago
@TheSelfGoverned That's a false dichotomy, besides they keep saying it facilitates the way for a material living, I never said I want to be loaded. In our current system we need a little bit of money to survive and focus on our lives, so why so harsh on my comment?
HectorLex 5 days ago
People generally assume that critical thinking is easy, its not, or everyone would be doing it. :P
123backinyerface 6 months ago in playlist The Trivium with Gene Odening
yeah this shit is too fucking boring and not as holy as its said to be, it really doesnt have to be so complex, its all down to reason and critical thinking
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
@eduardoobregon You're just too used to being spoon fed fast food and corporate media. Settle down and take it in and learn something. You're attitude is what makes it complex.
GnosticMedia 7 months ago 8
@GnosticMedia your first and last sentences here are both fallacies right?
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
@eduardoobregon maybe the first one could be a hasty generalization. The last one seems obvious. You're just trying to stir shit rather than being constructive, possibly because your 2012 religion got squashed. Don't hold so tight to your beliefs:"Zeitgeist is here to save the day". No, it's not. Study logic and the fallacies and see how they're lying, study Plato. Don't get so hell bend on protecting shit you haven't verified yourself, like the 2012 nonsense and Timewave Zero.
GnosticMedia 7 months ago 2
@GnosticMedia my 2012 religion? sure, oh no! just as I was planning my trip to the woods..! and if you have any single piece of evidence they (zeitgeist) are "lying" show/link some evidence dont just ad hominem, and please dont link a 2 hour film full of out of context quotations "exposing" a film that had not even been released and without any scene, quote or anything from the actual movie its supposed to be "exposing" lol, ...talk about a baseless review.
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
...and thanks, I'll try to not hold on to my beliefs to tight, from now on I will use and praise the Trivium only, the only holy path to the truth!
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
@GnosticMedia "Zeitgeist is here to save the day"...Can you please elaborate on this?Do mean Zeitgeist as in the spirit of the age here to save the day?But then again what spirit of the age as in what?Thanks.
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540 Uh, have you seen Zeitgeist? They pretend to offer solutions for society's ills. I little critical thinking shows one their illusions.
GnosticMedia 6 months ago
@GnosticMedia Hmmmm yeah this makes more sense now and yes have seen all 3 documentaries,but wouldn't hold the first one as a source for solution thinking on top the first film went down just as a project for the maker.Now the other 2 yeah the show a more solution think after hearing Trivium and Quadrivium method do recall Gene saying it does resemble The Scientific Method and do know that an Resource Based Economy uses that to improve the planet,but using Scientific Method=appeal to authority?
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@eduardoobregon And don't resort to ad hominem attacks, like arrogant, with other people who have spent their time to actually fact check certain ideas, and later find them wrong, simply because you're to lazy to follow up on the research yourself. If you think something is BS, the proper response is to ask for evidence first, and use a proper email address, rather than throwing out baseless ad hominems and accusations on videos that are about the very fallacies you're using.
GnosticMedia 7 months ago
@GnosticMedia "don't resort to ad hominem attacks" "throwing out baseless ad hominems and accusations" --- "you're to lazy" "You're just too used to being spoon fed fast food" --- lol! and evidence of what? that its boring? that it doesnt have to be so complex with enough reason and critical thinking?
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
@eduardoobregon Children usually find education boring, so it's no surprise that you're of that opinion. You think because someone uses fallacies that he/she is incorrect. This is a baseless presumption. Instead of taking the constructive criticism from @GnosticMedia you saw it as an attack on yourself, an ad hominem. You are particularly sensitive and insecure.
Jinsun202 7 months ago
@eduardoobregon Your liberal use of foul language and aggressiveness immediately discredits you. You'll never learn because you're too dunderheaded to see the the treasure of this video. You're a parrot who repeats what he hears on Youtube videos rather than critically thinking, and then thinks he's an expert. In fact, your "logic" is the antithesis of critical thinking. You're out of your depth in this discussion. Stick to playing your Xbox, I'm sure you could play that all day &never be bored.
Jinsun202 7 months ago
@Jinsun202 haha, if you look at your comment, every single sentence is a fallacy. Well done, you seem to be miles ahead of me, fyi i dont have an xbox, lol
eduardoobregon 7 months ago
Jan learn to pause when your co-commentor is talking, agreeing with you... if you dont' it's sounds like your fighting, it's sounds overly forceful on your part. let your ego shrink just a bit.
popoqwer 7 months ago
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.☆.¸¸.★.☀.ॐ ♡ ♥ ﾚo√乇, PEACE, BALANCE = FREEDOM ♥ ♡ ॐ.☀.★.¸¸.☆.
PlanetEarthSupport 7 months ago
Gene is not the most dynamic of speakers. However, if you can focus on the message and not the delivery it's worth your time. (Maybe if you threw a photo of Kim Kardashian in more people would watch.)
ChrissBarr 8 months ago
One really serious problems I have with the statements made. That to have emotions is a bad thing. It is Emotions that make humans so unique. A psychotic person that has not emotions of empathy can kill just to kill and feels nothing.
That is why anti-depressants cause suicide, it shuts down the emotions to a point the person doesn't even feel alive. They lose the capability to use reason when having suicidial thoughts. I have read the Gosnitc text, but I will be keeping my emotions.
TheCoolottie 9 months ago
@TheCoolottie It's not about having or not having emotions. It's being able to recognize them and not be controlled by them. Most people today think by their emotions rather than reason, and basing decisions on what feels good, or what have you in a particular moment is very dangerous indeed.
GnosticMedia 9 months ago 12
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timo092601 8 months ago
@TheCoolottie Also, at 1:25:35, they speak about "if" Jesus existed and was a historical person, they should be able to prove his existence. In reality, although the writings of the Christian Greek Gospels are the primary proof of his existence, his historic existence is proven also by both Jewish Historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus by their references to his family and his death at Roman hands. (See The Jewish Antiquities & Complete works of Tacitus) BOTH sources non-Christian!
timo092601 8 months ago
Thanks so much for posting these in full. I think i've probably passed this video out to about 20 or 30 ppl, along with all the other Gene Odening videos. The Trivium and Quadrivium are by far the most valuable tools i have found. I'll keep doing my best to let ppl know about your podcasts. Thank you!
drumknuckle 10 months ago
@drumknuckle You're very welcome.
GnosticMedia 10 months ago
The map is not the territory! The map is not the territory! This is so profound and a wonderful analogy .
hhhSoonerfan1 10 months ago
Part of the reason why I refuse to argue with people nowadays. This is some interesting stuff though!
TheBigKiller 1 year ago
It seems most of the ancient ways of learning/awakening are starting to be known to us again. Let's build the future upon its whole, instead of using one leg from each table..
-Love & Gratitude-
TheHallOfRecords 1 year ago
This guy is so boring, I can't watch it...
fuhoney 1 year ago
@fuhoney That's significantly too bad for you.
GnosticMedia 1 year ago 17
@fuhoney
Hehehe, you better be joking..
TheHallOfRecords 1 year ago
@fuhoney you are correct, you cant watch this it isnt a video its an audio with a picture. attempt to listen to what is being said, block out the voice in your head telling you its boring or has your attention focused on more material things. im not being negative, i just know whats its like to be distracted by all the fluff in life, this audio will expand your mind and proof of that is in the act of listening to it all. take a risk. turn off Family Guy [& please dont let yr ego be offended]
AngelsDosAngels 8 months ago 3
Jan Is a Great Ineterviewer I always dig the Gnostic Media Podcast and have read and purchased Astrotheology and Shaminism 2nd ed. and loved it...Was Great Info Great Reasearch but as should be im still a lil skepitcal on some issues but for the whole in agree with Jan...Great Work and Keep it up Please I am learning alot...and I am actually a follower of the Teachings of Christ and also dabble with Theurgy.finding truths in the (C)abalah..AMAZING Interview..as well as the next 2 amongts many..
KyleRayKeith 1 year ago
Synchronicity? I have only begun to look into this :) Thank you!
LauraofOceanside 1 year ago
@LauraofOceanside Also check out triviumeducation*com
GnosticMedia 1 year ago
I have listened to the 3 trivium podcast maybe as many as 30 times. Thanks Jan and Gene for the great work. Good luck in your personal life, we all know how women are vindictive and spiteful in the end.
ParkwayDriveHorizons 1 year ago
This was one of the most important videos that I've watched; great idea to place the entire interview back on youtube! Thanks Jan!
UnoRaza 1 year ago
32:45 The word 'art' is a Latin derivative from 'ars' which also means art. No human arms in the etymology of that word. Or perhaps I lack the comprehensive dictionary which corroborates Odening's assertion?
clubtour 1 year ago
@clubtour I think you do. You just found the immediate origin of the word, not the deeper origin and meaning of the word which is workmanship and therefore "arms". Look at etymonline . com for a thorough explanation of this matter.
sendivogius 1 year ago