Is Tim Floyd Gonna Have To Choke A Ref?

[tennisplyr07]

well if you watch the video more closely the defender did not have his feet set... on0:06 seconds you can clearly see that one of the defenders feet was in the air thus creating this incident a blocking foul.... and the offensive player did not lower his shoulder in any intention to purposly hurt the defender... that was a block all the way and the referee did not see that. and the only referee that knew it was the outside ref and he did not speak up... that was the referees fault all the way

[chitownref]

@tennisplyr07 What rule book are you basing this on??? Every basketball rule book from highschool to the NBA states that you can move laterally or backward and be able to take a charge. The only thing you can not do is move forward ...Learn some fucking rules before spouting out stupid bullshit.

[tennisplyr07]

@chitownref you know what you need to chill out and dont be such a bitch... it was the refs decision... and i do know the rules i have been a ref for 3 years and grew up around basketball all my life... so

[chitownref]

@tennisplyr07 3 whole years? Wow! Well this is my 19th year of officiating and don't worry about me I am fine. I just feel bad for the kids you are reffing if you don't know the basic rules of how you can take a charge.

[LiamLoveTaylor]

@chitownref it would be the FIBA rulebook that you're refering to. College ball and NBA have some slightly different rules but FIBA rules nonetheless and i agree with you.

[chitownref]

@LiamLoveTaylor No I am not referring to the FIBA rule book. This is from the NCAA 10/11 rulebook-Art. 6. To maintain a legal guarding position after the initial position has

been attained, the guard:

a. Is not required to continue having the torso face the opponent;

b. Is required to have either one foot or both feet on the playing court

(cannot be out of bounds);

c. May raise the hands or may jump within his or her own vertical plane;

Cont'd in next comment

[chitownref]

@LiamLoveTaylorg-d. May shift to maintain guarding position in the path of the dribbler,

provided that the guard does not charge into the dribbler or otherwise

cause contact;

e. May move laterally or obliquely to maintain position provided such

a move is not toward the opponent when contact occurs;

f. Is not required to have the feet on the playing court when shifting in

the path of the dribbler or when moving laterally or obliquely; and

Cont'd again

[chitownref]

@LiamLoveTaylorg-g. May turn or duck to absorb shock when contact by the dribbler is

imminent. In such a case, the dribbler shall not be absolved from the

responsibility of contact......the difference in the NBA rule is that stupid ass semi circle under the hoop. Establishing and maintaining guarding position is basically the same from HS to the NBA ok so next time google the rules before commenting and looking like a dumb ass.

[VaTerpz]

Not surpsrisingly, people don't what they are talking about when it comes to officiating basketball.  A defender's feet DO NOT have to be planted to draw a charge.

Good call. Player control foul.

[player420bugme]

block, Feet are CLEARLY not planted.

[buddaman200522]

@player420bugme Feet do not have to be planted to be a charge.

[nomatter129]

Charge. Easy call. announcers are idiots. And the other official just put his fist up and never indicated what he had so Floyd or no one else has a d%*m clue as to what he had. The officials got it right. Looks like Floyd deserved it and as usual the coach was wrong about the call, overreacted as a result and got his deservedly thrown out, Nitwit.

[buddaman200522]

I say 50/50. Either coach would be upset

[luvjb95]

get that asshole outta there. dirty trojan.

[pspguy28]

It was the correct call. The defender was in position with feet planted BEFORE the offensive player crashed into him. Therefore, absolutely it is a charge.

[OleMiss140]

wow. even stevie wonder could see that

[ridewave444]

A pretty clear blocking foul on the replay.

[ridewave444]

Yeah, bad call. No charge there.

[pspguy28]

@ridewave444 it was clearly a charge .. . defender had position with feet planted before offensive player bowled into him

[themanofthefuture]

bull fucking shit. they met at the exact same time, the defender moving sideways and the offense player moving forward, there for a block.

[GlennShook]

That call could have went either way. The D player wasn't set but the O player was out of control fast to the hoop .

[jaypeddie]

isn't that still a blocking foul? i could be wrong

[WonderBread006]

Floyd was awful, 3 years with chicago..didnt even reach 20 games once

[TebooTedMarshall]

See ya Floyd! USC NICE JOB paying players to play for your sorry ass school.

WHAT A JOKE USC IS! HAAA!!

FUCK THE TROJANS

[OleMiss140]

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD!

[seaFoodSifu]

That was truly a horrible call. I have absolutely NO clue why the ref said it was a charging foul... unless hmm, bribes.

[gopurpleppleaters]

as always, pac 10 referees could not be worse. i think we have the worst refs in the country. not kidding.

[joebruin24]

Even as a Bruin fan, I'd have to say that was a HORRIBLE call! Even worse than the charge Darren Collison took at ASU (COINCIDENCE????) to prevent us from winning that game...

[12raiders34]

Clear block and a typical home court advantage call.

[asudmr]

Charge. If you stop the video during real time at 6 seconds Jamelle McMillan is in front of Daniel Hackett before Hackett even leaves the ground. McMillan was to the spot first, Hackett initiated the contact, that is a charge.

[buddaman200522]

Neither of you know any of the officials hand signals. The outside official just had a open fist which means that he sees a foul. It can either be player/team control or a defense foul. The outside official didn't signal anything other than he saw a foul.

[bas2456]

First of all, an open fist signals a violation, not a foul.

Secondly, that's a block. The offensive player was in control and about to shoot when the defender jumped in front and impeded his progress.  I'd call a block every time. I think the replay angle, which is alot like the angle the official had, shows it best.

[hoosierlooker]

Pac 10 officials are the worst. This crew should donate their checks to charity after that horrible call. Totally gutless. You're right AceJack, maybe the worst call of the year.

[AceJackOffsuit]

It was a horrible call because it was a

HORRIBLE call. The defender ran to block the offensive player from driving to the basket. He was not even close to being stationary. This is called "blocking."

That might have been the worst call I've seen all year.

BTW, I'm a huge ASU fan.

[JugglingReferee]

snaqwells is correct in his/her account of the defender's actions.

The correct call is a player control foul, no matter how much anybody dislikes the call.

This play is significant because it contrasts the "time and distance" requirement in the two cases of a player having and not having the ball.

[snaqwells]

So, maybe I'm wrong. Why was this a horrible call?

[JugglingReferee]

It was a horrible call because gmanterps81's team lost! :)

[snaqwells]

And assuming they missed it, having a close call go the other way is no excuse for this sort of juvenile tirade that costs his team.

[predwrk]

UCLA got a similar bullshit call at AZ State on Thuesday. Almost the exact same thing if not EXACT. Collison called for a charge at the end that probably cost them the game. Go ahead, choke a ref!

[snaqwells]

PC but it was close. Floyd seems to be upset that the C called a block, but the C did not call a block. He never signaled his call. Defender had LGP, and was sliding backwards and sideways when contact was made in the defender's torso.

[CCfsu84]

That was one shitty call, wow.

[CAScreaminDude]

Looks like the official saw the near defender who was in a legal guarding position prior to Hackett even entering the key. The baseline angle (which still is not the Lead's angle) does show the offensive player throwing an elbow, which is a textbook player control foul. This makes the call correct.

The tough thing is it occurs in the grey area of Lead/Center coverage, right in the center of the key. Looking at it slowly, L really is in best position to make the call.

'Lot closer than it looks'

[snaqwells]

Great call, as an official.

[apsufan]

Great call? That was a horrible call and I credit Floyd for standing up and arguing that call. I would've done the same thing.

[fronheiser]

Agreed. Of course we're officials and we understand the LGP has nothing to do with "getting set."

[gmanterps81]

As a neutral observer, that was an unbelievably horrible call

[wegotmorrison]

I agree.. I love guys like Tim Floyd who will stand up and fight for a call. Refs are terrible nowadays and I'd do the same thing almost every game if I were a coach.. Good to see he cares that much.