damn, this literally happened a 20 minute walk from my house, and i know the kid whose pool got ran into, it feels so weird when this stuff happens so close to home.
Everyone saying the cop should have shot him in the foot or not shot him that many times you are wrong. They are not trained to deal with situations like these, in case you don't know cops are trained to shoot ONLY when they need to kill. That is only needed in situations like these.
I live like 2 mins away from this. I know the kid who's pool was hit by the mustang... This cop did nothing wrong. That kid should have just got out of the car not gun it down Franklin which is a residential road. Everyone who says that cop is a murderer you are slow. I feel bad for him.
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Fuck Denville cops.. all storm trooper scum bags.. i live 15 min from this town.. the kid was scared.. no need to shoot a unarmed 21 year old. FUCK ALL U PPL THAT SIDE WITH THE COPS.. the kid wasnt right but a handgun should not have been involved. as u can see the car is stuck on the curb.. hes wasnt going anywhere
wat fucking video are u watching? he wasnt stuck on the curb when he was shot. he was driving away with the cop inside the car. stfu about shit u dont know about
iam sorry the cop is not the murderer...its the kids fault...the cop try to get the kid to stop and the fucking dumb ass didnt stop so its all his fault...so its self defence on the cops part...thank you very much stop bad talking the cop
exactly dude, u even heard the cop tht cam over in his car when he asked if he shot him and the officer said yea, he was like fuck. they didnt wana. but its the kids life, or yours. and for the cop, it was self defense
I live in denville, im on vacation now. But this was no need to shoot the kid in the head and thats what did happen, you could of shot him in his foot or somthing... I also know officer fernandez. Hes nice. But no need to kill him.
its been a while since the trial move on with your lives...don't you think its about time...i know if i was on the road that night the way he was driving i wouldn't want him to kill me..so and if you have a problem with what the cops did then put yourself in the situation and shut up about it....we just want to move on even though we feel pain for the family we are left with no choice but to live and move on...never forget the dead but don't disrespect there memory by talking shit
Like I said, "THATS WHAT I HEARD ANYWAY"!!! He got what he deserved! Another perfect example of wasted youth! Terribleone is going to be the next statistic! He must have been your friend!? Where you at the Fireside with him that night too!?
I completely agree that Martinez was wrong for his actions. Obviously he should have complied with the officer. It's better to let your lawyer work a deal than be dead. However, why did the officer lunge into the car? Is that accepted practice for police in NJ? If so, that's dumb. Seems like the officer is unnecessarily put into a more dangerous situation. Why not block the car with his cruiser or ram the front end with his pushbars to immobilize the car? There'd be one less dead kid.
This loser kid messed up and got himself killed. The cops tried to restrain the dumbass and he was not obeying the law, so they were forced to take more action. I think anyone who calls a police officer a "pig" is immature and they are just as ignorant as this idiot Martinez.
From what I heard anyway, but, whatever! Look at the Blue Ash Ohio video. This could have very well turned out to be just like that! I really do see it that way! Also, does anyone remember the Crew story on Rt.80? Just by backing up to an Officer in a aggresive manner, That is using your vehicle as a weapon. Deadly force is authorized! Happens ALL the time, ALL over the place! Just stop and do what your told, and nobody gets hurt!
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yeah, the kid really messed up but dont talk about him in vain, he died when he was un armed, the bullets were unjustified in my view....you all say that "The kid was fcking stupid and it caught up with him" but you know what i'd love to see you look his parents in the eyes and tell them that pal
Unarmed? Try again. The car itself was his weapon. He could have easily killed both officers by running them down. Bottom line:
-Don't drink and drive.
-Don't smoke weed, drink and drive.
-Don't smoke weed, drink and drive with a suspended license.
-Do what the cop tells you to do.
That kid and his family have absolutely no one to blame but the kid himslef. Unfortunately the family will sue and get "go away money". An absolute travesty to the system.
@Kyydax that car was a stick shift and the cop shot hit at least 8 times, u think just putting it into a different gear would stall the car or 1 maybe 2 shots would incapacitate the driver, now i understand the car as a weapon and the deceased man was under the influence and in the wrong but shooting him so many times was excessive force and was unnecessary
@narri214 You watch too much TV. 1 or 2 shots? The cops don't shoot once, then stop to take a look to see if they hit the guy or not. They shoot until the threat is eliminated, if it's 1 shot, great, if it's 41 shots, so be it. If there are multiple cops shooting, they don't keep track of how many shots the other cops are firing. Hell, they don't even know how many shots they've fired until either the threat is eliminated or their magazine is out.
Alot of people sit and pick this apart. They don't realize, we can sit here and say, I would have done this or that! The Officer in question, had 10 seconds to make the decision he did. Yes, I have reached into a car to pull the keys out and stop the situation! I don't see a problem with any of this at all! The only thing I may have done different, was only to have shot twice... But, I was not there. I hope the Officer is mentaly ok and returns to work in the future!
Looks like that jerkoff Martinez played one too many games of Grand Theft Auto 4 and decided to try it out in real life. Not to mention he had a suspended DL, marijuana in his system, and his BAC was way over the legal limit, and was CLEARLY endangering the lives of 2 officers. Almost backing over Fernandez when they were trying to pull him from the vehicle and then speeding off with Byrnes in his car. Luckily neither officer sustained injury. The kid was fucking stupid and it caught up with him
Every bullet was justified IMO. Sorry, but I would have shot him as soon as the car started moving. Entering a vehicle to remove a combative drunk and having him take off like that is just insane. He could have pinned the cop between the cars or run over the one on the driver side. I see videos like this all over the web and for once I feel the police were 100% justified in their actions.
Its ashame that liberal media "coddle" this asshole into being some kind of a victim, when it was his own stupid decision to be an asshole that night and it ended up getting him killed. Bottom line OBEY THE LAW and you won't wake up dead like this jerkoff. if you want to get technical, that officer could have shot him the second that car was put in drive. So keep you cop hating comments to youself, one less asshole off the street.
@Sig19 It was a traffic stop and the pursuit was just around a block. The cop could have easily blocked the mustang off, making it impossible for him to go anywhere. However the cop jumps into the car and puts himself at risk. Yeah, I realize he was trying to get the keys but that is fucking retarded. It is virtually impossible to remove keys from a car that is lunging back and forth. Martinez did something stupid, don't get me wrong, but the cops DID NOT handle it in the correct manner.
@Sig19 "Liberal media"???? Have you turned on your TV in the last 30 years Archie Bunker? If our Palin/Bush-loving media was any further to the fucked-up right, they'd be telling us the earth is flat...
jlesternj, how about you just keep your mouth shut. You people who think you know it all when it comes to police work kill me. Simple as this, when the pretty little lights come on on the police car, pull the fuck over. When a gun is in your face and the cop says "get out of the car"... get out of the car. If you decide not to listen, and drag a police officer down the road with you, then you deserve to be shot. Its not like the movies, you don't drop dead after one shot, sometimes it take more
That was the most unintelligible, incoherent response I've heard in a long time. Everyone is now "dumber" having read your comment. I bet you're a hippie-liberal democrat. I saw the kid around in highschool. I thought he was an asshat.
Jlesternj, I live in Rockaway, I know the area very well, I travel it everyday to work. Anyway, the police report stats that a number of 911 calls came in reporting a black vehicle traveling west bound in the east bound lane. Then a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed on Franklin road. Officer Byrne caught him as he made an illegal right on red on to 46 east. I am much more familiar with this incident then you are, if you want to learn more, read the report released by the Prosecutor
I agree with you (hontagi). The whole point is. When an officer tells you what to do, you comply. This whole thing could have been avoided if he just stopped. The fact that he took off with the officer in the car to me and I'm sure to many other ppl is attempt on the officer's life and could have also endangered others. Im sure the highly trained officer tried everything in his power to stop the individual before he had to use his weapon. Im sure no officer likes to use his weapon.
Jlesternj when Officer Byrne had his gun out it is consituted as Constructive force. As per AG guidelines Constructive force is only used to force a suspect to comply when normal reasoning is not working, and the failure to pull his vehicle over is obviously a failure to do that. If you look again, when Officer Byrne had his gun out Mr. Martinez was trying to shift the vehicle back into gear. Also, Byrne reholstered because constructive force was not working. He had to escalate to Physical force
Hontagi, don't bother arguing with Jlesternj, he obviously knows everything there is to know about law enforcement, the rules the officers must follow, proper tactics, etc.
In all honesty, the officer DID NOT have to shoot him 5 times especially to wind up killing him. Officers are trained to deal with these kind of situations, but obviously DID NOT handle it they way they are trained. It was just a traffic violation. Yes Martinez could have killed someone, but it all started with the chase. He was young, silly and scared. Not the way he should have handled things either.
You realize that when an officer is forced to use deadly force he doesn't shoot once, look to see if he hit him, and or if he is dead then if he didn't hit or kill him, repeat the same step over again. I feel that 5 shots was very concervative. He could have unloaded his whole clip very easily which is about 15 shots. That would have been a different story. If you read the force continum written by the AG, you will find that he did everything by the book.
@mandee604 they aren't trained to be dragged down a road.. And he kept shooting untill the threat was gone.. He thought his life was on the line and he acted because the first thing you learn is that your life comes first. you might disagree but a Jury and the law says otherwise
Cool, Repoman. Get stuck in a car going ~90 miles per hour with a driver that is intoxicated at two times the legal limit, and high from marijuana. Also, said driver wants to get away from you at all possible costs.
Would you taser him? Great, the driver would lose control until you let off the taser trigger. Struggle with the steering wheel? Another good idea. The other officer was violently striking his head, what makes you think "breaking his teeth" will have any effect?
Since when can a person run from the cops and say oh ok your drunk, with drugs in your system, eh... we will give you a warning for speeding at 90MPH in a Residental zone, and driving down the wrong way on Route 46. Maybe you missed the part where they were they were fighting him in the car? Or how he almost almost crushed Officer Byrne or ran over Officer Fernandez
Repo, give me an example of what the cops should of done. The kid was struck by the officers and that didn't work. The kid got it in gear and took off with a cop in the car as he was trying to take the keys out of the ignition. YOU DO SHOOT HIM otherwise one of those officers don't go home. It sucks that somebody had to die but stop trying to play monday morninng quarterback.
@Repoman2418 wow we can all die you gave up on yourside of the battle by starting off saying anyone who dosn't agree can die.. Have you ever seen someone die? you are worse then the cops if you are saying everyone can die... Hey buddy grow up
jlesternj, you clearly have no knowledge of police regulations. Officers are not allowed to shoot out tires, fire warning shots, etc as hontagi clearly stated. Even with a flat tire, the car can easily move. Your bright idea does nothing but create a more dangerous situation. Byrnes did not "stupidly" jump into the car, it was an attempt to take the keys. Mr. Martinez was determined to flee at all costs...and this time it cost him his life. Better than losing an officer or two in addition.
Moronic according to whom? You? You become a cop then and do things "your way" then see how things turn out. Police are instructed to utilize their weapons to eliminate a threat. If their life or lives of others are immediately in danger, the officer is to utilize whatever means necessary to elimitate that danger. Taking off down the road in a high performance car at high speeds is a direct threat to the officer and others in the neighborhood and he eliminated that threat.
Flattening a tire on the car makes the car harder to control, and if you watch the video you can tell that Mr. Martinez is doing anything he can to get that Mustang into gear and take off. He had complete disregard for everything and everyone around him and it put lives in jeopardy. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is that Byrnes was completely within his rights as a police officer to do what he needed to do in order to end the situation as quickly as possible.
And the last thing: the reason you cannot shoot warning shots or shoot at tires is because that creates the possibility of a ricochet or stray bullet to injure or kill someone else, or cause damage to property. The chase never reached a point at which the officer needed to stop the vehicle - the Mustang spun out where it should have ended - but what happened after that was the immediate threat to life and required deadly force.
its not the fact that they do it there way or our way or anyway...instead of blaming someone why doesn't everyone just sit and think what you would do in that situation. My friends and family are split i sit and listen to everyone's opinion but im not a cop and i wasn't rueben but may rest in peace! and i hope officer byrne is ok as well...diplomatic i know and polite but it needs to be done by someone rather than calling each other idiots and morons!
@jlesternj warning shots? Trust me I have shoot many guns and also have been to war.If you shoot you run the chance to have a bullet ricochet and kill someone else you aim centermass because you are less likely to miss. If you have any questions on Richochet rounds please youtube videos and see how un pridictable bullets are. I am so sorry a kid so young had to die but he drew the path he walked down...If you shoot at tires you will risk skipping bullets off the pavement and hiting a house.
Cop did the RIGHT THING. I dont need dumb drunk punks driving around risking my life! If this guy would have hit and hurt or killed someone in your family all of you would be screaming why didnt the cop shoot him. Stop being a bunch of cop haters.
You're an idiot!! Read the damn AG Guide lines, cops can't shoot out tires, nor can they give warning shots. Officer Byrnes obviously went in to the car to take the keys out of the ignition, that was clear on the video, not to mention that Fernandez was trying to stop the driver as well. What would you have done differently? Your in a car with a guy you don't know who at gun point never complied with commands, who knows that he heck he has in the car, gun or a knife.
Clearly you didn't do your homework. He instructed the driver numerious times to get out of the car, and the two officers physically trying to over come the suspect was in my opinion a last resort until deadly force had to be used, especially when he took off in a violient matter as he did. Yes the loss of Mr. Martinez is very tragic, but consider what he was doing before the Police became involved.
That story was never told by the media, also consider what would have happened if Mr. Martinez killed himself and the cop. What then? Or how about if Officer Byrnes or Fernandez was killed as a result of the car rocking back and forth? As much technology and techniques the police have, rarely they will lose control of a situation. Sometimes situations escalates way beyond what was orginally intended. Think Officer Byrnes and his family wanted this to happen. Mr Martinez wasn't the only victim.
fuck the denville pigs
thehederopanther 3 weeks ago
id like to have a citizens arrest on that asshole that was my friends brother fuck him
thehederopanther 3 weeks ago
damn, this literally happened a 20 minute walk from my house, and i know the kid whose pool got ran into, it feels so weird when this stuff happens so close to home.
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
Seems like everyone here is saying - "always do what a cop says, no matter what, or its OK for him to decide to end your life, regardless of threat."
MrRalf012 9 months ago
Everyone saying the cop should have shot him in the foot or not shot him that many times you are wrong. They are not trained to deal with situations like these, in case you don't know cops are trained to shoot ONLY when they need to kill. That is only needed in situations like these.
jumpinawell1 10 months ago
FUCK these crocked LAWS
TruthBt0LD 1 year ago
FUCK these crocked LAWS
TruthBt0LD 1 year ago
Wow...this video is SO different than media portrayed...cop had no choice
itgoez211 1 year ago
I live like 2 mins away from this. I know the kid who's pool was hit by the mustang... This cop did nothing wrong. That kid should have just got out of the car not gun it down Franklin which is a residential road. Everyone who says that cop is a murderer you are slow. I feel bad for him.
ProductionsatsunDown 2 years ago
If dat kid waz black,no white person wud b sayn he didnt deserv it. denvile copz aint shit! punkz dat hide behind a badge!
mjsmith62 2 years ago
@mjsmith62 shut your mouth and stop typing ghetto
jdeangelis99 1 year ago
@jdeangelis99 ,You type like sum stupid suburbanite!
mjsmith62 1 year ago
@jdeangelis99 ,,U fukn bum ass cracker! Take ur little dick and go fuk urself!
mjsmith62 1 year ago
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Fuck Denville cops.. all storm trooper scum bags.. i live 15 min from this town.. the kid was scared.. no need to shoot a unarmed 21 year old. FUCK ALL U PPL THAT SIDE WITH THE COPS.. the kid wasnt right but a handgun should not have been involved. as u can see the car is stuck on the curb.. hes wasnt going anywhere
keebsf6 2 years ago
wat fucking video are u watching? he wasnt stuck on the curb when he was shot. he was driving away with the cop inside the car. stfu about shit u dont know about
jodale24 2 years ago
go fuck urself
keebsf6 2 years ago
why dont u take a huge step back and literally fuck your own face
jodale24 2 years ago
the kid got what he deserved if he would have just stop the fuckin kid would be here still....it was self-defence on the cops part...
ssa4705 2 years ago 3
ligit 3 mins from my house on a bicycle car crashed into my freinds pool
invisablebiker 2 years ago
he got what he deserved, man, i live 10 mins from denville, and i want to be a cop too, and its kinda instinct to reach in to take the keys
mobsterbillyjoe 3 years ago 3
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if you want to be a cop than you know the cop didn't follow procedure by jumping in the car the way he did. the cop is a murderer.
tylercasket 2 years ago
iam sorry the cop is not the murderer...its the kids fault...the cop try to get the kid to stop and the fucking dumb ass didnt stop so its all his fault...so its self defence on the cops part...thank you very much stop bad talking the cop
ssa4705 2 years ago 3
exactly dude, u even heard the cop tht cam over in his car when he asked if he shot him and the officer said yea, he was like fuck. they didnt wana. but its the kids life, or yours. and for the cop, it was self defense
mobsterbillyjoe 2 years ago
go loo at a lot of videos where the cops reach for the keys, and all that, youll hear "by instinct" in a few
mobsterbillyjoe 2 years ago
hope you die.
benjaminman 3 years ago
stfu that was my friends brother asshole. wheather he really deserved it. idk.
benjaminman 3 years ago
well your friends brother is an idiot
pimpninja1985 3 years ago
im from denville, thats by the burger king where i go when i get the munchies. i used to go to school with this fool. What was he thinkin....
pimpninja1985 3 years ago
the officer was trying to remove the keys thats why he dove into it
basketballkid514 3 years ago 2
Hey, I'm all for eliminating stupid pieces of shit from this world, nice job cops.
meatloafisgoodforyou 3 years ago 3
I live in denville, im on vacation now. But this was no need to shoot the kid in the head and thats what did happen, you could of shot him in his foot or somthing... I also know officer fernandez. Hes nice. But no need to kill him.
Biohazard4343 3 years ago
its been a while since the trial move on with your lives...don't you think its about time...i know if i was on the road that night the way he was driving i wouldn't want him to kill me..so and if you have a problem with what the cops did then put yourself in the situation and shut up about it....we just want to move on even though we feel pain for the family we are left with no choice but to live and move on...never forget the dead but don't disrespect there memory by talking shit
knr85 3 years ago
ROCK ON DENVILLE COPS!
EightShift 3 years ago 2
Like I said, "THATS WHAT I HEARD ANYWAY"!!! He got what he deserved! Another perfect example of wasted youth! Terribleone is going to be the next statistic! He must have been your friend!? Where you at the Fireside with him that night too!?
jarheadh1 3 years ago
I completely agree that Martinez was wrong for his actions. Obviously he should have complied with the officer. It's better to let your lawyer work a deal than be dead. However, why did the officer lunge into the car? Is that accepted practice for police in NJ? If so, that's dumb. Seems like the officer is unnecessarily put into a more dangerous situation. Why not block the car with his cruiser or ram the front end with his pushbars to immobilize the car? There'd be one less dead kid.
mguarino17 3 years ago
- i heard the shooting
- i live about 2000 feet away
- the kid went to morris knolls highschool but was a grudate
- he was drunk
Himilaya 3 years ago
This loser kid messed up and got himself killed. The cops tried to restrain the dumbass and he was not obeying the law, so they were forced to take more action. I think anyone who calls a police officer a "pig" is immature and they are just as ignorant as this idiot Martinez.
giantsSR44 3 years ago
From what I heard anyway, but, whatever! Look at the Blue Ash Ohio video. This could have very well turned out to be just like that! I really do see it that way! Also, does anyone remember the Crew story on Rt.80? Just by backing up to an Officer in a aggresive manner, That is using your vehicle as a weapon. Deadly force is authorized! Happens ALL the time, ALL over the place! Just stop and do what your told, and nobody gets hurt!
jarheadh1 3 years ago 3
I know people who know the family, His mother is dead and older brother has millions!
jarheadh1 3 years ago
That's not true. His mother appeared in all the interviews after this happened. She lives a town over from where this went down.
willsywillsy 3 years ago 4
Sorry, was supposed to be replying to jarhead.
willsywillsy 3 years ago
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yeah, the kid really messed up but dont talk about him in vain, he died when he was un armed, the bullets were unjustified in my view....you all say that "The kid was fcking stupid and it caught up with him" but you know what i'd love to see you look his parents in the eyes and tell them that pal
HorizonDriveTV 3 years ago
Unarmed? Try again. The car itself was his weapon. He could have easily killed both officers by running them down. Bottom line:
-Don't drink and drive.
-Don't smoke weed, drink and drive.
-Don't smoke weed, drink and drive with a suspended license.
-Do what the cop tells you to do.
That kid and his family have absolutely no one to blame but the kid himslef. Unfortunately the family will sue and get "go away money". An absolute travesty to the system.
Kyydax 3 years ago 8
@Kyydax that car was a stick shift and the cop shot hit at least 8 times, u think just putting it into a different gear would stall the car or 1 maybe 2 shots would incapacitate the driver, now i understand the car as a weapon and the deceased man was under the influence and in the wrong but shooting him so many times was excessive force and was unnecessary
narri214 6 months ago
@narri214 You watch too much TV. 1 or 2 shots? The cops don't shoot once, then stop to take a look to see if they hit the guy or not. They shoot until the threat is eliminated, if it's 1 shot, great, if it's 41 shots, so be it. If there are multiple cops shooting, they don't keep track of how many shots the other cops are firing. Hell, they don't even know how many shots they've fired until either the threat is eliminated or their magazine is out.
Kyydax 6 months ago
Alot of people sit and pick this apart. They don't realize, we can sit here and say, I would have done this or that! The Officer in question, had 10 seconds to make the decision he did. Yes, I have reached into a car to pull the keys out and stop the situation! I don't see a problem with any of this at all! The only thing I may have done different, was only to have shot twice... But, I was not there. I hope the Officer is mentaly ok and returns to work in the future!
jarheadh1 3 years ago 4
Looks like that jerkoff Martinez played one too many games of Grand Theft Auto 4 and decided to try it out in real life. Not to mention he had a suspended DL, marijuana in his system, and his BAC was way over the legal limit, and was CLEARLY endangering the lives of 2 officers. Almost backing over Fernandez when they were trying to pull him from the vehicle and then speeding off with Byrnes in his car. Luckily neither officer sustained injury. The kid was fucking stupid and it caught up with him
AMC6891 3 years ago 4
Who cares about that waste of space driving the car?
People are born every day but that car was only made in 2001. Poor little Bullitt Mustang ='(
spoke2go1 3 years ago 5
Every bullet was justified IMO. Sorry, but I would have shot him as soon as the car started moving. Entering a vehicle to remove a combative drunk and having him take off like that is just insane. He could have pinned the cop between the cars or run over the one on the driver side. I see videos like this all over the web and for once I feel the police were 100% justified in their actions.
cuthrick 3 years ago 3
Its ashame that liberal media "coddle" this asshole into being some kind of a victim, when it was his own stupid decision to be an asshole that night and it ended up getting him killed. Bottom line OBEY THE LAW and you won't wake up dead like this jerkoff. if you want to get technical, that officer could have shot him the second that car was put in drive. So keep you cop hating comments to youself, one less asshole off the street.
Sig19 3 years ago 9
@Sig19 It was a traffic stop and the pursuit was just around a block. The cop could have easily blocked the mustang off, making it impossible for him to go anywhere. However the cop jumps into the car and puts himself at risk. Yeah, I realize he was trying to get the keys but that is fucking retarded. It is virtually impossible to remove keys from a car that is lunging back and forth. Martinez did something stupid, don't get me wrong, but the cops DID NOT handle it in the correct manner.
AcesInHole 1 year ago
@Sig19 "Liberal media"???? Have you turned on your TV in the last 30 years Archie Bunker? If our Palin/Bush-loving media was any further to the fucked-up right, they'd be telling us the earth is flat...
HNK222 1 year ago
jlesternj, how about you just keep your mouth shut. You people who think you know it all when it comes to police work kill me. Simple as this, when the pretty little lights come on on the police car, pull the fuck over. When a gun is in your face and the cop says "get out of the car"... get out of the car. If you decide not to listen, and drag a police officer down the road with you, then you deserve to be shot. Its not like the movies, you don't drop dead after one shot, sometimes it take more
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jlesternj 3 years ago
That was the most unintelligible, incoherent response I've heard in a long time. Everyone is now "dumber" having read your comment. I bet you're a hippie-liberal democrat. I saw the kid around in highschool. I thought he was an asshat.
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jlesternj 3 years ago
Jlesternj, I live in Rockaway, I know the area very well, I travel it everyday to work. Anyway, the police report stats that a number of 911 calls came in reporting a black vehicle traveling west bound in the east bound lane. Then a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed on Franklin road. Officer Byrne caught him as he made an illegal right on red on to 46 east. I am much more familiar with this incident then you are, if you want to learn more, read the report released by the Prosecutor
hontagi 3 years ago
I agree with you (hontagi). The whole point is. When an officer tells you what to do, you comply. This whole thing could have been avoided if he just stopped. The fact that he took off with the officer in the car to me and I'm sure to many other ppl is attempt on the officer's life and could have also endangered others. Im sure the highly trained officer tried everything in his power to stop the individual before he had to use his weapon. Im sure no officer likes to use his weapon.
MetalHead2003 3 years ago
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jlesternj 3 years ago
Jlesternj when Officer Byrne had his gun out it is consituted as Constructive force. As per AG guidelines Constructive force is only used to force a suspect to comply when normal reasoning is not working, and the failure to pull his vehicle over is obviously a failure to do that. If you look again, when Officer Byrne had his gun out Mr. Martinez was trying to shift the vehicle back into gear. Also, Byrne reholstered because constructive force was not working. He had to escalate to Physical force
hontagi 3 years ago
Hontagi, don't bother arguing with Jlesternj, he obviously knows everything there is to know about law enforcement, the rules the officers must follow, proper tactics, etc.
rtm038 3 years ago
In all honesty, the officer DID NOT have to shoot him 5 times especially to wind up killing him. Officers are trained to deal with these kind of situations, but obviously DID NOT handle it they way they are trained. It was just a traffic violation. Yes Martinez could have killed someone, but it all started with the chase. He was young, silly and scared. Not the way he should have handled things either.
mandee604 3 years ago
You realize that when an officer is forced to use deadly force he doesn't shoot once, look to see if he hit him, and or if he is dead then if he didn't hit or kill him, repeat the same step over again. I feel that 5 shots was very concervative. He could have unloaded his whole clip very easily which is about 15 shots. That would have been a different story. If you read the force continum written by the AG, you will find that he did everything by the book.
hontagi 3 years ago
@mandee604 they aren't trained to be dragged down a road.. And he kept shooting untill the threat was gone.. He thought his life was on the line and he acted because the first thing you learn is that your life comes first. you might disagree but a Jury and the law says otherwise
jdeangelis99 1 year ago
Cool, Repoman. Get stuck in a car going ~90 miles per hour with a driver that is intoxicated at two times the legal limit, and high from marijuana. Also, said driver wants to get away from you at all possible costs.
Would you taser him? Great, the driver would lose control until you let off the taser trigger. Struggle with the steering wheel? Another good idea. The other officer was violently striking his head, what makes you think "breaking his teeth" will have any effect?
przc 3 years ago
What the hell was Martinez thinking in the first place. I think he said "fuck you" back to the cop before he tried to get away.
Officer Byrnes was in a car with a driver that was out of control. In the moment, what you have done?
I don't like the police either, but they did there job. They kept the peace and saved many more lives.
Respect the law and this stuff will never happen.
Prudol 3 years ago
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Repoman2418 3 years ago
Since when can a person run from the cops and say oh ok your drunk, with drugs in your system, eh... we will give you a warning for speeding at 90MPH in a Residental zone, and driving down the wrong way on Route 46. Maybe you missed the part where they were they were fighting him in the car? Or how he almost almost crushed Officer Byrne or ran over Officer Fernandez
hontagi 3 years ago
Repo, give me an example of what the cops should of done. The kid was struck by the officers and that didn't work. The kid got it in gear and took off with a cop in the car as he was trying to take the keys out of the ignition. YOU DO SHOOT HIM otherwise one of those officers don't go home. It sucks that somebody had to die but stop trying to play monday morninng quarterback.
rf2nj 3 years ago
@Repoman2418 wow we can all die you gave up on yourside of the battle by starting off saying anyone who dosn't agree can die.. Have you ever seen someone die? you are worse then the cops if you are saying everyone can die... Hey buddy grow up
jdeangelis99 1 year ago
jlesternj, you clearly have no knowledge of police regulations. Officers are not allowed to shoot out tires, fire warning shots, etc as hontagi clearly stated. Even with a flat tire, the car can easily move. Your bright idea does nothing but create a more dangerous situation. Byrnes did not "stupidly" jump into the car, it was an attempt to take the keys. Mr. Martinez was determined to flee at all costs...and this time it cost him his life. Better than losing an officer or two in addition.
snakebitten97 3 years ago
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jlesternj 3 years ago
Moronic according to whom? You? You become a cop then and do things "your way" then see how things turn out. Police are instructed to utilize their weapons to eliminate a threat. If their life or lives of others are immediately in danger, the officer is to utilize whatever means necessary to elimitate that danger. Taking off down the road in a high performance car at high speeds is a direct threat to the officer and others in the neighborhood and he eliminated that threat.
snakebitten97 3 years ago
Flattening a tire on the car makes the car harder to control, and if you watch the video you can tell that Mr. Martinez is doing anything he can to get that Mustang into gear and take off. He had complete disregard for everything and everyone around him and it put lives in jeopardy. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is that Byrnes was completely within his rights as a police officer to do what he needed to do in order to end the situation as quickly as possible.
snakebitten97 3 years ago 2
And the last thing: the reason you cannot shoot warning shots or shoot at tires is because that creates the possibility of a ricochet or stray bullet to injure or kill someone else, or cause damage to property. The chase never reached a point at which the officer needed to stop the vehicle - the Mustang spun out where it should have ended - but what happened after that was the immediate threat to life and required deadly force.
snakebitten97 3 years ago
its not the fact that they do it there way or our way or anyway...instead of blaming someone why doesn't everyone just sit and think what you would do in that situation. My friends and family are split i sit and listen to everyone's opinion but im not a cop and i wasn't rueben but may rest in peace! and i hope officer byrne is ok as well...diplomatic i know and polite but it needs to be done by someone rather than calling each other idiots and morons!
knr85 3 years ago
What's funny is you don't realize that YOU are "average Joe".
przc 3 years ago
@jlesternj warning shots? Trust me I have shoot many guns and also have been to war.If you shoot you run the chance to have a bullet ricochet and kill someone else you aim centermass because you are less likely to miss. If you have any questions on Richochet rounds please youtube videos and see how un pridictable bullets are. I am so sorry a kid so young had to die but he drew the path he walked down...If you shoot at tires you will risk skipping bullets off the pavement and hiting a house.
jdeangelis99 1 year ago
Cop did the RIGHT THING. I dont need dumb drunk punks driving around risking my life! If this guy would have hit and hurt or killed someone in your family all of you would be screaming why didnt the cop shoot him. Stop being a bunch of cop haters.
socchall 3 years ago 2
I agree completely
hontagi 3 years ago
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silveradoseveneleven 3 years ago
You're an idiot!! Read the damn AG Guide lines, cops can't shoot out tires, nor can they give warning shots. Officer Byrnes obviously went in to the car to take the keys out of the ignition, that was clear on the video, not to mention that Fernandez was trying to stop the driver as well. What would you have done differently? Your in a car with a guy you don't know who at gun point never complied with commands, who knows that he heck he has in the car, gun or a knife.
hontagi 3 years ago
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jlesternj 3 years ago
Clearly you didn't do your homework. He instructed the driver numerious times to get out of the car, and the two officers physically trying to over come the suspect was in my opinion a last resort until deadly force had to be used, especially when he took off in a violient matter as he did. Yes the loss of Mr. Martinez is very tragic, but consider what he was doing before the Police became involved.
hontagi 3 years ago
That story was never told by the media, also consider what would have happened if Mr. Martinez killed himself and the cop. What then? Or how about if Officer Byrnes or Fernandez was killed as a result of the car rocking back and forth? As much technology and techniques the police have, rarely they will lose control of a situation. Sometimes situations escalates way beyond what was orginally intended. Think Officer Byrnes and his family wanted this to happen. Mr Martinez wasn't the only victim.
hontagi 3 years ago
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jlesternj 3 years ago