2009 WCG Grand Final Second day: StarCraft match: Stork vs Fengz

[jessicaSNSD111]

korea is the #1 country in starcraft, idk why i would be proud of this... we're amazing at games i guess... lol

[sgimmigs1]

Koreans will Micro millions of soldiers in WW lll

[elcusamonaguisho]

what is the first song please?

[jeronimoalende]

I think this clearle show how mental blocks can be hard wen u play Sc fengz its so much intimidated to this KR pr player that he get all sllawpy and end up making a bunch of lings on mid game that wont worst to shit but at the opening he had all chances he only showld keep atacking the nexus and forget speed but u can see the pressure on him this shit makes me sad :(

[SovietSammy]

wheres the american badass

[Alexon88]

6:30 fisheye )))))))))))

[metallic8]

Thumbs up if you tried to move your mouse to the edge of the screen to look around.

[KUHchio]

한국의 승리다

[Itsallover57]

it was a massacre.

[vandreadchin1]

ya i have to said these chinese player are no good......eventhough i chinese hahaha

[hiturheartx]

O_o~

[blackhand95]

wow so much excitment over a nexus harras wtf? only economy

[hemptime123]

@blackhand95 "only econimy" rofl

[blackhand95]

@hemptime123 ? econimy?

[taeksinyumwon]

Chinese player is worse than amateurs in korea....

[dmsthf9]

LOL he finally makes a mutalisk at the end of the game

[hitmankillzone]

that what happen when u play against stork and u have like 100 apm rofl

[WhiskeyLighter]

shut the fuck up about panda bears and commentate the game like you're being paid to do

[digimon969]

Woot! Stork is just so good o.O

Although China might've won if he killed the nexus =P

[pokinpoop]

f it, they dont have a starcraft 2 yet?

[LolCaramelz]

@pokinpoop

Released a while ago...

[Karthor21]

'THE NEXUS IS UNDER PRESSURE!!!!'

I LMAO'd at that for no reason at all :D

[Narutieee]

LMFAO CHINA FKING SUCKS

[101Killer1010]

Stork Lost Weight...

[GraniteAge]

"i can see fengz taking out stork"

AHAHAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJ

[Healingproof]

@GraniteAge you're talking it out of context you handicapped moron ;) He said IF fengz took out the nexus, he could see him winning this.

[GraniteAge]

@Healingproof stork beat this stupid kid with 1 dragoon. Did you see his controll when giong for the nexus? right clicking on him? dont make me laugh. that dude was either nervous or terribad. and your one stupid son of bitch, by the way. Tell your mom to not suck your dick while you sleep, it makes you wake up a little bit bad mannered.

[Healingproof]

@GraniteAge rofl calm down you fat spanish idiot ;) You still did not understand what i said because you're completely retarded (schools, do you even have them in spain? XD HAHAHA) IF HE TOOK DOWN THE NEXUS lol. "IF", use google translate to translate that word ;) Don't act like you know more than either artosis or me, cause, you don't :) You're a dumb fat spanish kid with no life lol :D

[GraniteAge]

@Healingproof im sorry, sir, but your one ignorant idiot. good luck with life. and i completely heard IF HE TOOK DOWN THE NEXUS, you think im deaf or what? but even if he took down that expansion, he couldnt defeat stork. his control of his army was completely retarded, like your parents and you. Please, find a girlfriend asap. You seriously need to fuck a little bit.

[Halobenzene]

Once they design a system to command real life armies via a Starcraft-like interface, the North Koreans are basically fucked.

[hemptime123]

@Halobenzene the world is fucked

[Mosquito180]

@Halobenzene more like the world lol

[Alexon88]

@Halobenzene well they did a step in that direction in Starcraft 2 (easier controls) and they are not top anymore.

[shadow16810]

@Halobenzene we are all fucked

[krbosak]

@Halobenzene Really? If this would matter for any military, a pack of scientist would write drone micronavigation algortihm that would outrun all the manual keystrokes the best korean player would ever do.

[btiny101]

@Halobenzene wait.....isnt it basicly that koreans will b COmmanders of our Armies?

[ThisNameIsBanned]

@btiny101 No Koreans will command Alien Races and overtake the world !

[PlainRetarded]

@Halobenzene WWIII

It's going to happen

[chazliez88]

game starts at 4:09

[xhackmasterx]

@chazliez88 thanx

[aris20598]

idiot commentators shessh.

[bhaalicr]

game starts at 4:30

[MrMattyjjohnson]

map name??

[101Killer1010]

@MrMattyjjohnson I think destination =D

[piaaanooo]

06:41 : uhmmmmm i'm curios about that too.... NOOT xP

[Baddieko]

the commentators thought fengzi can take the game if the nexus goes down which is untrue. Progamers can very well play against amatuer with 1 base down and still beat them. Pump units to outmicro and progamer will be ahead in the game.

[ppshchik]

@Baddieko Fengzi is not am amateur, he's B Teamer level for sure. He's taken down some Koreans during PGL 2008.

[youziness]

@ppshchik Fengzi is more B- to me. Most of the B teamers in korea teams are A-/A. The top foreigners were B+ at most. If he was playing against a B teamer his nexus would go down and lose the game. There is only small gap between B team and A team. Based on his quality of micro i dont think fengzi can win even if the nexus went down. However its true stork underestimate his opponents to make a blatant mistake.

[BLUEC0RE]

i forgot how bad the game looked.

[Megafest7]

I would have been objective, but I ended up rooting for Stork the whole time just because of the stupid commentators.

[devilchrist666]

Nice job of the commentators giving us informative and OBJECTIVE commentary...man these guys should just kneel down in front of Fengz already.

[shadowhearth1986]

havent played sc1 for ages, anddamn its so different from sc2... sc2 looks just sooooo more fester :(. sc1 is more tactical, then sc2. you dont have time for tactics in sc2... you just try to defend from cheese...

[stanislavnenov]

@shadowhearth1986 love cheese playing :)

[halomast799]

@shadowhearth1986 sc2 only been out for a month or 2

[thesparkflyer]

FengZ needs more APM

And gamesense

[zxcongdinhxz]

the chinese pll fan like : weeeee loseee :(

XD

[vid0307]

KOREANS ARE THE BEST

[vid0307]

KOREANS ARE THE BEST

[p0werf00L]

And exactly how is contradicting the obvious an act of maturity? If see an ugly dog and say wow he's ugly would that be trying to act mature? Like i said i just read the comments spoke my mind and that's it.

[p0werf00L]

Woah stfu you 11 year old ugly "my country is better than your country" nerds. Not getting any attention irl? Good thing theres the internet to release tension or you all might end up killing yourself for a possible life of eternal virginity.

[Raziel1818]

@p0werf00L oh and ur that guy trying to act smart and mature =)) gtfo .. anytime some1 gets mad on the internet ... "everybody is like grow up .. u don't have a life u r a virgin... and i'm so superior for no using the internet for expressing myself except in the COOL MATURE WAY" ..... cut that bullshit dude i'm actually very very smart, have a terrific life and being so confident in my self i'm not scared to look some way or the other ...

[Raziel1818]

@p0werf00L oh yeah what's wrong with me proving a valid point ? that for ex eu could kick us ass ? what the fuck is so moraly wrong about that ? who's rights i'm breaking ? no one's and having the right to opinion .. i'm not doing anything wrong .... oh and btw "acting mature" and criticising (or however the fuck u spell that ) people that u think are imature is really stupid and imature

[p0werf00L]

@Raziel1818 I wasn't acting mature by any means nor did i intend to nor am i a smart person overall because im german, we're dumb and immature by nature. I just saw all the comments below and had a sudden urge to speak my mind about the bullshit that's goin on on Youtube every day. Cheers

[Raziel1818]

@p0werf00L yes u were trying to act mature ... i mean ur contradicting the obvious how can u say u weren't trying to act ? and u felt the urge to speak ur mind just like i felt the urge to speak my mind about the whole eu vs us.

[shilelea]

@Raziel1818 you might be a dumbass

[DonE1899]

how do they control more than 12 at once?

[VanNucksFan19]

I still dont consider it a sport... i agree it is awsome and requires a lot of mental skill but you cant tell me that it requires physical excersise cuz clicking and typing is not excersise....

[TheGodlyAsian]

@AdamSavage88 Although I am Chinese I'm still a north american and I do agree with what you said I don't know why they do that like don't they run safety checks?

[TheGodlyAsian]

Stork is awesome :P

[singapore11]

PANDA!!!!!!!

[05candyman]

man some koreans play on the computer until they die and this is a true fact

[kirecry]

@VanNucksFan19

It`s no matter is there any exercises or self-development.

Sport is all about CHALLENGE.

[VanNucksFan19]

Moving your arms and fingers is not exercise... U cannot honestly believe that chess and starcraft is a sport... its a awsome game and the players are talented but theres NO WAY i can consider either one a sport.. So what olympics would it be in if it was a sport?

[CelestialGamer]

your applying the same short sighted views that held back race/religion for so very long, open your fucking eyes and smell the keyboard motherfucker competitive gaming is awesome reguardless if its considered a sport by definition.

[singapore11]

@CelestialGamer who are u talking to?

[DeadbeatXT]

VanNucksFan you are an idiot; Esports are still sports. Chess is a sport; exercise isn't only physical (although they move their arms and fingers a lot).

[DeadbeatXT]

Do you know how much they practice? They play about twelve hours a day at about 300-400APM and they have to think about every move their opponent makes. And on top of that, many of them get about an hour of physical exercise a day.

[Gazonkie]

dude at 15:05........ take it easy buddy

[2Masther16]

hola



[Tliken]

@GoCanucksssssssGoooo The professional players in Korea make a few hundred thou a year I heard XD

[I1am1one]

loosing all bases

now all his base are belong to us

[eprod90]

@GoCanucksssssssGoooo starcraft it is a sport as other game its not a physic sport its like chess its more mental than physic

[VanNucksFan19]

@eprod90 chess isnt a sport either

[eprod90]

@VanNucksFan19 oh really? lol sure man...

[VanNucksFan19]

@eprod90

not a real sport like hockey and football...its more of a game then a sport

[eprod90]

@VanNucksFan19 thats the problem you never see the things the way they are i can say that football or volley is a game as well cause everything can be a game but the thruth is that at the end everything is a sport and wcg had united more countrys in months then the football world cup united in years. im not saying i dont like it i like both football chess and pc games.

[VanNucksFan19]

@eprod90  a true sport requires excercise...

[eprod90]

@VanNucksFan19 here we go again.. with cyber games you do exercise.. your mind... and it is important..

[kogumaro]

@VanNucksFan19 cyber games require more thinking than most sports :D

[TheGodlyAsian]

@VanNucksFan19 Brute force won't mean shit if you don't have the brains to know what to do with the strength, Starcraft is a sport although not a sport like football it still requires mental exercise and physical exercise. Hell people in OSL make a lot of money

[VnaldersYourMan]

@AdamSavage88 Since when is anything that we get from China lead filled? And they don't owe us anything. In fact, I think we owe them even more than we're giving them. It's people like you that make me feel ashamed as an American.

[TayV510]

what map is this

[I1am1one]

@TayV510

de_dust 2

[xLuky]

"he does not have a ice cubes chance on a hot summer day"

[korea7891]

God game, China. 중국놈들 병신들.

[julesickdrums]

lol @ at korean commentators, they act like they're futbol commentators

[RedSkye87]

@julesickdrums GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL

[ThinsonTigre]

@RedSkye87 more like "HES ADVANCING ON HIS EXPANSION DFKOJDFSAKJFFJKADJADKSFJASD;AS­D;KFSDK;A NUKE!!!!!"

[cristianxxxal]

no sabenb jugar los peruanos lo sacan la mierda aprendan  a jugar star cras o sonso

[ifkevinful]

Lol, what if during the game the connection was lost?

[pilsforboys]

@ifkevinful draw or rematch

[Greenluigipower1]

His face seem to say that he's Artosys.

[NinjaSpartanThe]

I was hoping China would win one, they lost at Company Of Hero's against Austrailia. And Counterstrike against (I forgot)

[stimpackedangelking]

@NinjaSpartanThe yeah but you should hope in another game other than SC =P

because no one else really has a chance other than the Koreans.

[ppshchik]

@stimpackedangelking not really, PJ defeated Savior and got 2nd place whilst a Russian player eliminated a Korean and got into the finals.

Koreans aren't invincible.

[stimpackedangelking]

@ppshchik ok other countries have a chance, but with three professional Koreans, your chances are very slim. The chances of beating all three are very, very low.

[Jonsse]

Great commentators, great game! Thank you.

[Slavman24]

lol

[TruePlayerrr]

Is that the Protoss player Tasteless who has a brother nicknamed Day9 sitting down and commentating at 6:00??

[EskaeDaStreetGeek]

@TruePlayerrr well yeah who else would america send to china to commentate on a starcraft match live?

[seeker308]

game starts at 4:20

[rcmezalb]

@seeker308  blaze it

[nmb55555]

@seeker308 thx A LOT

[fLaMeGuArDiAn933]

stupid commentators

so racist and theyre rooting for china all the way

they should just commentate the game like it is instead of taking sides

[ppshchik]

@fLaMeGuArDiAn933 Why racist? They're just cheering for the underdog given that Koreans dominate it. Korean commentators are just as biased.

[Alorrana]

@fLaMeGuArDiAn933

why not root china.. they own most of usa anyway, so good for them cheering their sponcers on ;)

cheers.

[Chuggers456]

@fLaMeGuArDiAn933 there in china so if they don't take china's side the can be executed

[AwsomeOblivion]

lol ShwangShwing you might want to do some reasearch most of the US debt in internal

[BrizarB2ST]

Go koreans!!! Chinese has no chance

[nguyenkhan202]

Asshole Chinese!

[releasetaiwan]

@nguyenkhan202  r u fucking idiot? slap on ur own face

[cruzlee]

It's so cool to have loud hyperactive "music" playing all the time. Too bad you can't hear the commenters anymore because of all the coolness.

[Ryuzaki6006]

good

[Dmirtao]

Panda Bears.

[PokerStashers]

Nice :D You can get Starcraft 2 from ( bit. ly/starc2 ) :)

[wintensity]

what does it mean to take a month to make build orders?

[TheGosu]

@wintensity To think of new build orders vs certain match ups.

A typical pylon/gateway/cybernetics core isn't that great and can be easily countered by a zerg rush.... therefore making new build orders to counter that takes awhile. You need to perfect the timing of when to build certain buildings, etc.

[PhrozenFox]

I hate the mineral ramp thing, it's a gimmick that requires you to hack the map, and it shouldn't be allowed in professional tournies.

[Chakrila]

giving the googly-eyes to his monitor... lmao legend commentators

[OjFarm]

look at stork's face... not even single change even the nexus was about to blew up

[Xienis]

@OjFarm Because Stork is always calm, he knows what hes capable of and thinks 10 turns ahead, he probably had numerous backup plans ready if that nexus fell. And with the way Fengz played this game, even if he managed to take out that Nexus in that first attack, he probably still would of lost with all the stupid moves he made, letting the macro do his fighting for him.

[frodonet]

y are ppl talking about politics in this video?

who gives a fark about the world. watch the game people and appreciate the sportsmanship.

don bring politics into starcraft!

[walshie]

00:39 "QQ" banner. pro. lol

[brainwasher9876]

This match was appalling. How can anyone make such elementary mistakes such as right clicking instead of attack moving in WCG? Even basic starcraft players know that.

[ppshchik]

@brainwasher9876 Playing on a main stage and pressure are a huge factor. Fengzi was the champion of China but he admitted that he lacked experiences in big tournaments like that that's why PJ did better although he took 3rd place.

[brainwasher9876]

@ppshchik I understand that there was a lot of pressure, but attack move should be reflexive at this level. I play amateur and I've yet to see anyone make a mistake like this.

[thimy69]

@brainwasher9876 you got a point. Fengz should have finished the Nexus plus he left some scourges on auto-chase and killed by cannons.

[ppshchik]

@brainwasher9876 All pros make amateur mistakes sometimes. This guy is the guy who got 1st place in WCG China if he's really that amateur then he shouldn't have gone that far to the WCG world tournament.

As the home champion with thousands for local audiences I won't doubt that you'll make indecisive mistakes due to pressure.

[PanzerionGM]

Starts - 04:14

[donylee]

Hey guys,

I am a Starcraft newbie here, really want to learn the game. Can someone explain to me briefly the importance of taking down Stork's second Nexus at about 8:30pm.

I mean it's only aids production. I don't see the major disadvantage of the Protoss player if he simply cancels the Nexus, recovers the money, go Gateway or cannons for defense, and then rebuilt it.

[brainwasher9876]

@donylee: the important thing about a nexus is that not only can they produce probes but that you need them to get resources. Nexus take a very long time to build; by losing that nexus, he would have lost a lot of time that would have been spent on getting resources. Those extra resources may have been a deciding factor in winning or losing the game.

[FireBatHeroSK]

STORK!!! I'd so rofl is Firebathero won and does his dance in WCG =P

[reallysecretusername]

storks hair in this vid looks really funny...

[Zyborg23]

what's an epm player?

[ssanrock97]

I reckon china is not the worst race......

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[Kcusnza]

Man i'd love to hear the Korean stream when the commentator goes nuts at 15:05

[shuangxing66]

damn it the nexus should have just assploded!

[Agomongo1235]

COREA

[1986dts]

Hey all, sorry im kinda new to competitive starcraft and was wondering what apm is?

[LEVIDAVIS420]

@1986dts apm is called actions per minute basically meaning how many diverse moves can you control in you minute such as making a units moving units hot keying attacking microing/macroing and after you calcualte all that you get an apm scale when i plat tft my apm hovers around 130-150 apm pros are like in the 200s

[shuangxing66]

lol pros are not in the 200s. Jaedong and bisu both reaches over 500apm frequently.

[Seamonky72]

in warcraft 3 they are, but in starcraft i would imagine they are a bit higher.

[clvinning]

@shuangxing66

most of those actions are just from habit and really don't mean anything. a lot of the pros just do it just to do it.

[LEVIDAVIS420]

your a stupid fuck im talking about average you moron not what they can max out at get a life you've probably never even seen a pro match before except on you tube

[shuangxing66]

lol, rage moar.

I'm talking about average, you dumbfuck.. pros are definitely not at 200s. If thats pro then you're living in a basement.

[clvinning]

@1986dts

apm is actions per minute, clicks, right clicks, keyboard actions, etc.

build order is the method of which a player constructs buildings according to resource count and time elapsed.

[Suican123]

All those maps the pros play, where can i find them? My starcraft does not seem to have them?

[Dronuz]

lol the commentator at 15:00 looks like he's really pissed off!

[LimusBeanusRex]

I would like to see the commentators as more reserved

[HaloChaos]

That was so close at the beginning, the Nexus should have died!

[Tuvitob]

They said that is not so important to have hi-apm. so we now see it is - low apm=wasting scourges/drones/lings in stupid way

maybe not important to have 400+ apm but at least 300...

[ppshchik]

@Tuvitob Micro is not all about speed, about stability and precision as well, that's why sometimes you see lower apm players having better micro than insanely high apm players. Having lower apm also makes you think tactically.

[Tuvitob]

@ppshchik thats why i wrote at least 300. have u seen 150 apm player winning with 300?=]

hi-apm is a habit, they dont think about making drones etc. they think tactically too.

[Karldaj]

"this is hurting my eyes"

[brandonto]

yeah he sucks compared to korean programmers

but i'd like to see ANY of you even come clsoe to beating him, so shut up and give him a break

[LLlap]

great commentators.

rly a pity for Fengzi - that early probe + lings were awesome

[MawickFX]

best commentators ever

[LiquidT3nsion]

This chinese can't beat stork in a 100 years sorry chinese ppl.

[shucklesors]

correction,

this chinese can't beat stork in 10 years.

this chinese, as a zerg and a chinese, can't beat jaedong in a 100 years.