Calum Douglas on Norman Mineta

[dankums]

"we both know. that's pure speculation" LMAO.. THAT is pure speculation!!

debunked my ass.. the real speculation is that just 'because the 9/11 commission didn't even ask' what the order was, that "we know that (the stand down order) is pure speculation" in fact, that the 9/11 commission DIDN'T ask such a crucial question should be cause to be suspicious of an intentional cover-up.. THE OFFICIAL STORY IS PURE SPECULATION.

[dankums]

This alleged stand down order is OBVIOUSLY a hugely critical piece of the puzzle.. The fact that the 9/11 commission DIDN'T EVEN ASK what the orders were SHOULD raise some serious suspicions of a cover-up.. not be "proof" that the allegations of a stand down order are purely speculative..

the real "pure speculation", is to avoid the LOGICAL conclusion as to the orders and instead SPECULATE that it's just 'speculation' to the point that you ASSume you've disproven the stand down order!! DUH!

[dankums]

This alleged stand down order is OBVIOUSLY a hugely critical piece of the puzzle.. The fact that the 9/11 commission DIDN'T EVEN ASK what the orders were SHOULD raise some serious suspicions of a cover-up.. not be "proof" that the allegations of a stand down order are purely speculative..

the real "pure speculation", is to avoid the LOGICAL conclusion as to the orders and instead SPECULATE that it's just 'speculation' to the point that you ASSume you've disproven the stand down order!! DUH!

[dankums]

This alleged stand down order is OBVIOUSLY a hugely critical piece of the puzzle.. The fact that the 9/11 commission DIDN'T EVEN ASK what the orders were SHOULD raise some serious suspicions of a cover-up.. not be "proof" that the allegations of a stand down order are purely speculative..

the real "pure speculation", is to avoid the LOGICAL conclusion as to the orders and instead SPECULATE that it's just 'speculation' to the point that you ASSume you've disproven the stand down order!! DUH!

[anima715]

Additionally-

If there was a SHOOT-DOWN order on Flight 77, why werent the surface to air missiles at the pentagon or the White House or any others in Washington D.C. used if F-14s were out of range?

And, why not just scramble fighters from Andrews Air force Base (a mere 2 minutes flight time from Downtown D.C.) rather than Langley? Actually, there are about 4 other scramble-ready bases and airports with fighters that are closer and couldve responded in time! SO Douglas - WE DO KNOW

[anima715]

HAMILTON:...it was not possible to shoot down any of these aircraft before they struck?

GEN. ARNOLD: correct. In fact, Flight 77, if we were to have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don't think that we would have shot that aircraft down.

HAMILTON: Because?

GEN ARNOLD: WELL, WE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY --

MR. HAMILTON: YOU DIDN'T HAVE AUTHORITY AT THAT POINT?

GEN. ARNOLD: No, it's through hindsight that we're certain that this was a coordinated attack on the United States.

[anima715]

6.

Above is EXCERPTS FROM 9/11 COMMISSION TESTIMONY, MAY 23, 2003 NORAD MAJOR GENERAL LARRY ARNOLDS TESTIMONY AND VERBAL EXCHANGES WITH VICE CHAIRMAN LEE HAMILTON OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION. (pp. 47-48 of the official 9/11 Commission Report)

[anima715]

AND 5.

Other Facts Verify This:

In the Dec. 4, 2001, town-hall meeting, the President said he didn't begin to make major decisions about the emergency until he was back aboard his plane. "I got on the phone from Air Force One, asking to find out the facts," he said.

(from the Wall Strret Journal, March 22, 2004)

[anima715]

4. [9:25] Bush is still in the holding room (unaware of flight 77! NOTE: CHENEY AND MINETA ARE IN THE BUNKER TOGETHER!)

So then - When was this shoot-down order regarding flight 77 given!? Being that the order in question was at least in place when flight 77 was STILL 50 MILES OUT it is IMPOSSIBLE that that order was a SHOOT-DOWN ORDER!

[anima715]

3. [9:06] The President is just learning about the second plane hitting the WTC and he stays in the (FL.) classroom reading with the children for at least 10 more minutes.

[9:17] Bush leaves the classroom and gathers with officials in another room. But, the 9/11 Commission later claims that, while Bush is in the holding room, No one in the traveling party had any information that other aircraft were hijacked or missing.

(cont...)

[anima715]

(cont)

2. [9:00-9:15] Cheney arrives at PEOC, the Presidential Bunker [White House photographer, who was an eyewitness, and various newspapers, including the New York Times, said that Cheney went below shortly after 9:00. Richard Clarke's account verrifies this and Cheney, speaking on "Meet the Press" indicated that he was taken downstairs at about that time. This corresponds to Mineta's testamony, I got to the underground shelter at 9:20 and the V.P was already there] (cont...)

[anima715]

1. Dick Cheney said on meet the press that the shoot-down decision was made by the President during a phone conversation. But that could not have been before Cheney arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House, of which Mineta is testifying about.

[anima715]

BUT WE DO KNOW WHAT THE ORDERS WERE - This is how:

[harpert55]

I don't accept rpt's "Flight 93 and the Shootdown Order section at all! All you read in the rpt was after 9:58 - AFTER PENTAGON ATTACK THAT occurring @ ~9:37. MINETA SAID HE SAW CHENEY IN PEOC PRIOR TO PENTAGON ATTACK & I ASSUME DURING ATTACK! RPT SAID HE WAS IN THE TUNNEL DURING ATTACK. CHENEY, IN HIS INTERVIEW W/ RUSSERT ON 9/16/01, SAID HE WAS W/ MINETA IN PEOC & IN SHORT ORDER WAS TOLD OF THE PENTAGON ATTACK! GET IT FOLKS??? FLT 93 SECTION IS AUTH. TO ENGAGE - TIMES & DISTANCES - ALL BS!

[charlesfloyb]

Well, Mr. Douglas, I'd call it a little more than pure speculation. There are only a few options that make sense and a standdown order makes the most sense in this setting . The pentagon was hit thus providing reasoning to believe it was a standdown order. No land to air missiles were used, no antiaircraft weapons of any sort, no fighter planes, nothing shot down the aircraft.

[cdoug25]

hehe he has my name im callum douglas too