@CNNFootage67 So how is it i get a message from CNN and a message from Wildhawks minutes apart with the exact same topic? and both of those go to the same home page?
I am sorry but you don't have a news crew shooting Ashley Banfield from a block and a half away and have B 7 collapse behind her without making a sound. Without any explosions taking place. To claim this building is brought down by explosives and have that happen without a sound. Is nothing short of absurd. And not possible.
@DjBall That may true.. but they all share one thing in common. They are EXPLOSIVES!! you don't cut major load bearing columns without high explosives. This talk of thermite is a bunch of nonsense. No CD tech would EVER use that for a CD. Ever!! Go and tell a CD company you plan on imploding a building with a slow burning incendiary. You'd get a stare and then... "Good luck with that". One charge necessary to cut a column here is hard enough to believe.. Let alone 20 more.
Clearly shows excessive amounts of thermal energy, and in a blast circle no less. Seismic data proves the FACT they were taken down by nuclear demolition.
Zeolite absorbs radiation, and is created when granite (72% Si2O2, 15% Al2O3) is exposed to fission temps.
Clearly shows excessive amounts of thermal energy, and in a blast circle no less. Seismic data proves the FACT they were taken down by nuclear demolition.
Zeolite absorbs radiation, and is created when granite (72% Si2O2, 15% Al2O3) is exposed to fission temps.
@roquefortfiles when substances are nano sized their properties change. Carbon conducts electricity and the U.S. mil. con. tasked w/making nanothermite/mate, five or six of their different offices were located in WTC, would know how it reacts (explosive?). Like the anthrax (weaponized), nanothermite/mate would have a U.S. mil. signature. They were the only ones capable. Follow the MONEY. The MICC(Mil. Ind. Congressional Complex,"Ike") needed tax$ for FraudWar, what's a few thousand NewYorkers?:(
@trex9008 Yeah.. except for the fact that the Metallurgist who examined the steel of B 7 found no traces of thermite or explosives on it. And no one found a thing in the debris pile. Which in and of itself is entirely ridiculous claiming explosives were involved.
Besides. A team of Controlled Demo techs were already on site before 7 came down. They stood there and watched it.
@roquefortfiles Termite does' cut/melt steel and makes no noise like conventional explosives! If there is traces of termite in the dust, then what is the mystery? This isn't your regular demo!
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Termite does' cut/melt steel and makes no noise like conventional explosives.
Tell you what?. Pull out the yellow pages and ring up a CD company tell them you would like them to use Thermite on a building you want to implode. We'll see how fast they'd laugh uncontrollably at you. Actually you'd probably just get silence followed by........."sorry what?".
There is no CD tech, military or civilian who would even REMOTELY consider using a substance like this.
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE No my friend it has NOTHING to do with "Official" story Bullshit that so many of you CT people latch on to and site as your big problem with this event. Its a fact. You don't cut major load bearing steel columns with a slow burning incendiary. Its a silly silly story. Perpetuated by allot of people who think they know what they are talking about. They don't.
This requires high explosives. Stuff like RDX that detonates at 5 miles/sec. In a shaped charge.
@roquefortfiles A slow burning, melting of steel, what? What is so no go about that? So what if it's not a service in the yellow pages If it (Can) cut a building down with no noise, then? And ez with the CT people thing! We all are! Only brain dead people aren't! Remember, the US government is involved and should be approached with extreme prejudges!
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE I don't really even GET what the point is with all of this stuff. The FDNY were in charge of B 7 during the day. Everyone there was well aware that 7 was going to collapse. There was a team of CD techs already on site due to WTC's coming down. They all stood there and waited for 7 to come down. JFC Ashley Banfield of CNN is on air live saying.. "7 is the next one coming down"..
Ashley is now a psychic? No.. She knew because EVERYONE knew 7 was coming down.
@roquefortfiles JFC Ashley Banfield, a physicist? The talking head? You don't get what this is all about? Then tune in to Ashley Banfield! Steel buildings don't melt when on fire, that's all! It's that simple! And thermite in the dust, what does' Ashley Banfield have to say about that?
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE No dude its not me. Its YOU. This thermite story is silly before it even gets out of the gate. Its not a substance that ANYONE would use for this job. No CD specialist would even begin to consider it for an implosion. The metallurgist who examined 7's steel said there was no sign of explosive or thermitic residue on the steel. And CD specialists found nothing pointing to CD in the rubble.
B7 was entirely expected to collapse. It was on fire top to bottom.
@roquefortfiles But Ashley Banfield? It's me? No thermitic residue on the steel? There is unexploded thermite in the dust! Nof Said! Your in denial or an asset of misinfo. Either way you are wrong too many ways!
You said: "They all stood there and waited for 7 to come down" Flat Earther!
@roquefortfiles the metallurgist who examined 7's steel? Do you know who that was? Can you name them? It certainly wasn't NIST, they only tested 1 small piece by their own admission. I would like to know the name of the people who went through and tested every single piece of steel in all 3 towers for evidence of CD.
@Ahlywog I'll save you the trouble!! There was a team of CD technicians already at B7 before it even collapsed. They were there at 3pm. It came down at 5.
Unless of course you want to hurl a group of CD techs under the bus. 30 year professionals are not going to know what they are looking at while standing in front of it??
This story doesn't even need to get to the metallurgy report before it is deemed utterly ridiculous. Which it is.
@roquefortfiles No no. I want to see this report. Show me a report in which a metallurgist tested a significant percentage of the steel from WTC 1, 2 and 7 for explosive or thermitic residue. Also I would like to see the evidence for a team of CD techs at WTC 7. That just seems odd to me. why would private demolition contractors be at a building no one expects to be demolished?
@Ahlywog They were there because the WTC had collapsed at 10am. Called in to help in the recovery efforts.
I'll save you the trouble again. Because no one involved with CD would EVER begin to even entertain using Thermite as a CD material. It wouldn't happen. You don't use a slow burning incendiary to cut steel columns. It requires high explosives in shaped charges. Sorry. That's a fact.
The story is ridiculous before its even out of the gate.
@roquefortfiles You saying they were there doesn't make it so. why would controlled demolition experts be called in for recovery efforts? What do they need explosives for when the buildings are already knocked down? I want proof. Just like I'm still waiting for this metallurgical report.
@Ahlywog Who said they needed explosives? Nobody. They were brought in to help in the recovery efforts. 100's of CD techs were brought in. Hundreds of trained people were at all three buildings. Nobody found a thing relating to a CD. Nothing. Which in and of itself is ridiculous. CD's have oodles of material left over afterward. (I got experience in this stuff btw). You would not even require a trained individual to recover it. The stuff is all over.
@roquefortfiles Oh I have which is why I know you're wrong. The only metallurgical testing was done by FEMA and NIST and they tested only 3% of the structural steel from the affected floors of the towers and only 1 single piece of steel from 7. And in both cases they specifically did NOT test for explosive/thermitic residue. But you already knew that which is why you are making claims and then refusing to back them up.
@roquefortfiles And I love this assertion that there would be "oodles" of obvious evidence for controlled demolition. Do you know why such evidence is obvious in a commercial demolition? Because the buildings have already been gutted first. The towers and WTC 7 were not gutted. So you're telling me both trained and untrained personnel can distinguish hundreds of miles of wiring and cabling and thousands of pulverized electronics from pulverized demolition materials on sight?
@Ahlywog LOL!! The fact the buildings were not gutted makes the story EVEN MORE ridiculous. Are you aware that ONE CHARGE... one!! would shatter glass in 360' around the building?.. not only that but it would shatter the glass on opposing buildings and it would do it with EASE!!. Also. You don't have camera crews positioned 800 feet from the WTC (I measured this on Google earth btw) and have them record NOTHING not ONE bang or detonation
@roquefortfiles Bravo, man. Bravo. I like how you can continually make these claims without a shred of evidence to back them or, or with substantial evidence to refute it. Not one bang or detonation. Not true of course, even the media was reporting massive explosions all throughout the day. The FDNY and NYPD reported explosions. Witnesses reported explosions. watch?v=W902B6obIqM <== and thats one right there.
@Ahlywog Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.
"We were all standing around helpless...we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew.
@roquefortfiles Demolition teams as in explosives experts? Or demolitions teams as in people with cutting torches and heavy machinery? Because those are most definitely not the same thing. I like the quote, by the way. I can quote people too. Which witnesses should I quote first? The average people who heard explosions before the collapse? The media that reported explosions? Maybe the media that reported secondary devices and car bombs? The fire department? The port authority?
@Ahlywog Well you obviously don't understand what you are talking about. Demolition teams mean guys trained in CD. explosives etc. Of which there were dozens and dozens present.
You guys just never give up do you? Why don't you listen to the man who was in charge of this building. Dan Nigro of the FDNY.. Go an google some info on him and this. He stood in front of 7 when it went. It was burning top to bottom. It collapsed without a sound.. No charges no bangs. he was there.
@Ahlywog These are shaped charges detonating in a city setting. Direct me to one video of B 7 or the WTC collapses for that matter that has this kind of audio going on. Oodles of video exist. Because this is what you would hear in a REAL CD. This is what REAL explosives are like.
@roquefortfiles I'll prove you wrong when you show me the report showing metallurgists testing a significant portion of the steel for explosive and thermitic residue.
It was burning top to bottom? Are you sure? Because there is not a single video or picture anywhere showing flames in WTC 7 when it collapsed. NISTs report says it only had smalls fires on the majority of the floors. As for Mr. Nirgo: I can reference FDNY members saying bombs and explosions. So what?
@Ahlywog LOL!!!. Dude. do your own research!! its out there. I saw it on a CBC documentary on this subject. I don't really care if you don't believe me. The only person that i worry about convincing.. IS ME!!. I have experience in CD and i know first hand what a load of crap all these stories are. They are total nonsense!!.
If any of these buildings had been rigged for a CD.. BELIEVE ME!! everyone in lower Manhattan would be plainly aware of it. Without QUESTION!!
@roquefortfiles OOOOH! A CBC documentary! OK! Because all those documentaries are completely credible. Like how all those documentaries with all their professional engineer experts jumped all over the "pancake theory" bandwagon only to have NIST say the pancake theory was wrong. Or the documentaries with MIT engineering professors with CG representations of the same thing. If the steel was tested professionally there is a report. I want to see the report.
@roquefortfiles Something you will notice is how I have not once referenced a documentary as credible evidence of anything. Anyways. I would also like to know what your controlled demolition experience is. what explosives have you worked with? What kind of buildings have you participated in the destruction of?
@Ahlywog I get your point. But i also think there is something called.. REASONABLE RATIONAL LOGIC!!. You can throw some things out. But you can't throw everything out. That gets unreasonable. There is a GREAT DEAL of unreasonableness with people pushing this "TM" stuff. It gets quite silly.
I shot a 25 story office building being imploded for tv news. Shot the whole process. Stood a block away when it was set off.
Trust me!! Everyone would know about it at the WTC. Kind of silly
@roquefortfiles What silly is this constant denial of "explosions" by the nay-sayers. NIST says there is no video or audio evidence or eyewitness accounts of explosions and yet I can search "911 explosions" in youtube and find a hundred videos of eyewitnesses, including the media, FDNY, NYPD and WTC tenants, describing exactly that. Explosions happened. This is not a question. What's left is to determine the origin of those explosions which no one has done or tried to do thus far.
@Ahlywog Firstly. explosions taking place in a MAJOR fire is nothing out of the ordinary. Ask any fireman. There are things like aerosols and pressure vessels (oxygen.. cans.. etc etc) and having them blow up is NORMAL. This is not "NEWS" at the WTC.
Were there explosions? sure probably. Its expected.
Were there timed shaped charges blowing columns??
Absolutely NOT!!. As i have said. Let me assure you that any of these buildings rigged for CD?.
@roquefortfiles When have I ever said shape charges? I don't believe there were shape charges either. Just like I don't believe the no-planer bullshit or space lasers or mini nukes or subterranean mole people. I am not here arguing for the sake of any particular theory beyond the the official investigations being half assed at best and outright cover ups in all probability.
@Ahlywog the official investigations being half assed at best and outright cover ups in all probability.
No they're not. They are actually quite right.
All i needed to see to know this CD stuff was TOTAL BS was ONE video tape shot by ABC NEWS standing 800 feet from WTC 2 as it comes down. They record nothing. (I am talking charges detonating).
This is so incredibly silly I can't even put it in to words. All of this CD stuff is quite frankly a JOKE!!. Its that silly.
@roquefortfiles All that proves is that it wasn't a standard commercial demolition. that's it. For all the tapes showing the collapse of the towers without audio evidence of explosions there sure are a lot of witnesses who reported massive explosions right before the towers came down. Again even the media, FDNY and NYPD reported it. Seems to be that commercial video cameras are not a reliable source of audio in these conditions.
@Ahlywog Standard demolition?? LOL!! Some new silent explosive?? (don't think so!!) This building would require some of the largest charges available. Every building has the columns pre cut so the building falls a certain way. If they are not pre cut even larger charges have to be used. One charge capable of blowing these columns would not only shatter the glass in 360 degrees around the building.. (With ease!!) it would blow the aluminum cladding off the tower.
@roquefortfiles The people there clearly didn't think they were silent. And once again you are arguing for fires and plane damage to bring down a building but not fires, plane damage and explosives.
Uh.. NO!. Anyone with any knowledge of CD can easily tell there are no explosives involved in the collapse. The building does not even fall in a manner of a CD. Had explosives been involved the collapse would look entirely different. There IS nothing controlled about the way it comes down. Every lower floor is intact until the upper section lands on it and crushes it. Its a failure collapse. Its not a CD.
@Ahlywog Seems to be that commercial video cameras are not a reliable source of audio in these conditions.
The camera that ABC news uses is a pro camera. With 2 sources of high quality microphones. The camera has a mic channel and the reporter has his mic channel. Both would be running. I used to shoot news so i know the standard practices. The audio on these cameras is VERY high quality.
ABC records nothing. This is such a joke its not even worth my time to reply.
@roquefortfiles "There IS nothing controlled about the way it comes down. Every lower floor is intact until the upper section lands on it and crushes it. Its a failure collapse. Its not a CD. Big big difference."
FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION! You obviously failed physics and in all the videos, there is no reaction from floors being "crushed" it is all one continuous motion. The top floors had thinner steel than the supporting structure below anyways.
@roquefortfiles Due to its height and high winds associated, the steel in the upper floors were thinner than the lower floors. This is fact easily found by looking at the blueprints of the building and common sense architecture. So is the fact that it is impossible for 12 stories to "crush" 88 stories and 20 stories to "crush" 80 stories. You are delusional, please find help.
@roquefortfiles In 1935 popular mechanics published an article called "Skyride tower felled by melting steel legs" "When fired by electricity the thermite generated a temperature of more than 5,000 degrees about the two legs, melting the ten-foot sections almost instantly, causing the tower to tip and then to crash." So given 66 years, the advancement in using thermite in this manner patent 5698812, and one that specifically deals with noise 5532449 gives much support for CD.
@roquefortfiles Once again you side step the facts and use your own subjective interpretation of what controlled demolition means to proclaim yourself the victor. You have not proved anything other than your clear lack of objectivity to the obvious concentrated ejections of thick white-grey smoke far below the point of impact and the rate of "collapse" on wtc1 and 2. NIST admits free-fall the first 8 stories of wtc7, free fall in an office fire is impossible, now read the patents
@FjukTheFed obvious concentrated ejections of thick white-grey smoke far below the point of impact
And what of it? The central columns are 60 feet behind that wall. You're trying to convince me a jet like a garden hose first blows a column 60 feet away, travels across an open floor with desks and room dividers and file cabinets. Finds a window and blasts out like a fire hose?
@roquefortfiles ahahhaaahahh yea so i guess 2 buildings getting hit in 2 completely different spots and falling down exactly the same aren't conspicuous at all. And you obviously still havent read the patents because you are a paid shill trained to avoid the truth. ahhahaha you are so pathetic, your life is worth less than nothing since you have decide to take the side of evil, go back to 1984, your cover is blown. You also didnt look at the ejections above the point of impact
@FjukTheFed If the goal of a CD was to kill people. It was successful. Anyone knows that. Lots of people died in the collapses. But these buildings came down an hour and hour and a half after they were hit. If the goal is to kill people they would have killed EVERYONE in the building had it been CD as soon as the plane hit. Are we supposed to believe this is a "kinder gentler" covert plan?
"We're going to kill you but we'll give you an hour to get out"
@FjukTheFed WTC 1 hit square to the core. Incredibly it collapses square to the core. It even lasts 2x longer because it has half the weight remaining above the impact point. WTC 2 lasts half as long. It has 2x the load to bear as WTC 1. WTC 2 collapses toward the side obliterated by the plane. Entirely consistent with where and HOW it is damaged.
BTW no explosive or incendiary renders concrete floors in to powder.
@roquefortfiles "BTW no explosive or incendiary renders concrete floors in to powder."
Patent 5532449 proves you wrong, you would know this if you actually read it but you think you know everything.
INDUSTRIAL APPLICABILITY
The present invention is effective to serve as a method and an apparatus which can prevent a secondary problem due to noise, flying dust and chips, and the like, and can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.
@FjukTheFed You're smoking too much crack if you think formed steel columns are going to be sizzled apart with a bucket of thermite. This requires high explosives. Go call up a demo company and ask them. See how long before they start laughing at you.
The amount of explosives to produce the kind of pulverization we saw there was estimated to be roughly 650 Tonnes of high grade explosive.
And unfortunately nobody found anything like that. With 100's of trained people.
@roquefortfiles AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are so pathetic you still didnt read the patent. PATENT 5698812
"Utilizing the present invention, a steel plate 1 inch in thickness was completely burned-through using 0.75 pound thermite charge within a container three-quarters the size of the M14 package which contains double the thermite."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA you are so willfully ignorant you believe that you have all the facts without doing the research.
This invention relates to destructive devices using thermite reactions and in particular concerns improved means of utilizing such reactions in the destruction of metallic targets.
Patent 5532449
INDUSTRIAL APPLICABILITY
The present invention is effective to serve as a method and an apparatus which can prevent a secondary problem due to noise, flying dust and chips, and the like, and can demolish concrete at a high efficiency
@FjukTheFed Who are you kidding here? Go look at the buildings coming down. That much incendiary would light those things up like the 4th of July. You don't get something for nothing and we are talking about MASSIVE amounts of energy here.
Care to point out across the bowed columns that are failing on WTC 2 where your gigantic Thermite reactions are happening. On close up video to boot?
@roquefortfiles you didnt address the fact that its impossible for 12 stories to crush 88 stories, you are the one smoking crack. Your life is worthless man.....
@roquefortfiles Explain to me how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories since im on glue! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA seriously how can you think that a mass of 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories! tell me what law of physics allows for this to happen because I'm a total idiot.
@FjukTheFed Explain to me how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories since im on glue!
The floors in the WTC do not carry vertical loads. That is what the columns do. The floors are held by a bracket and 2- 5/8th inch bolts. They have a load limit of about 1500 tons over what they weigh. When the columns failed (and they did.. you can see it). The upper 31 floors rotated over on to the floors.
You're asking a floor rated to carry 1500 tons to hold 180,000 tons?
@roquefortfiles "When the columns failed (and they did.. you can see it). The upper 31 floors rotated over on to the floors." HAHAHAHA you can see through the building? and where do you come up with 31 floors?!?!?!? You didnt even answer the question, you are delusional. You are leaving out the fact the each action has an equal and opposite reaction. You also didnt address the fact that the lower structure was still fully intact and that steel is thicker than the upper floors.
@FjukTheFed and where do you come up with 31 floors?!?!?!?
Do you have eyes? WTC 2 was hit from floor 78 to about 83.
This is precisely where the fulcrum point of the failure is. (Go look at it) Count to the top of the building!! 78. (We'll say 79 to be nice to you!!). plus 31 =110 stories.
The failure fulcrum is exactly where the plane hit it. There is a rotational point at the back of the building directly opposite the plane impacts.
@FjukTheFed I just find it really really sad that so many of you guys foam at the mouth about all this stuff on YT. But in reality you are simply ill informed and ill educated about the whole thing.
So this guy is lying is he? An FDNY fireman? There with 7 all day? He was there. You weren't. And you know over this guy?
watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4
Forward to the 6:55 mark. Listen to Frank Papalia.
watch the whole thing and instead of listening to what one person said, look at the actual pictures and footage of the building. So all the footage is lying?
And i love your double standard concerning firemen
/watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64 /watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o
/watch?v=UhGcBxONSvc&feature=related
your thermite comment, i could make the same comparison to gun powder, a bucket of gunpowder wont do much but take a small amount in a firing mechanism and what happens? lol
@FjukTheFed Once again. Have you read the oral histories? (No)
Chief Dan Nigro (You don't get much higher) was in charge of 7 all day. His decision to abandon it and let it burn to focus on saving the guys who were in the WTC collapses.
(I'll paraphrase it for you)
". Never heard a thing when it collapsed. The conspiracy stories are nonsense, I was at 7 all day"
(end)
If you guys were REALLY interested in truth you wouldn't spend your time looking for Conspiracy vids.
@FjukTheFed what law of physics allows for this to happen because I'm a total idiot.
The man who built this structure Les Robertson has said of its collapse (Quote)
"there is no way one floor is going to hold the weight of 14 or more floors falling on it. Not possible!! It would collapse instantly and to the foundations".. (end)
You think Les shows up every day pulling numbers out of the air?
This man ENGINEERED the load characteristics in the building.
@roquefortfiles ahahha yea one floor wont hold the weight of 14 or more floors, but 88 can hold 12, and the upper floors wouldve fallen in the path of least resistance, not the greatest. A natural collapse wouldve tipped to one side and the underlying structure wouldve remained intact
@FjukTheFed A natural collapse wouldve tipped to one side and the underlying structure wouldve remained intact
No.. no no no no!!!!
All the gravity loads in a big building like this are directed STRAIGHT down. The building is about 90% air. There is more than enough space for it to go through itself. Its not a tinker toy set. The top is not just going to slough off the side. No way!!
Robertson has also said. "More than enough weight up there to bring the buildings down"
@FjukTheFed ahahha yea one floor wont hold the weight of 14 or more floors, but 88 can hold 12.
Doesn't work like that!! Once failure happens why is one floor going to have any higher rating than another floor? It isn't. The next floor is rated to hold 1500 tons as well. But now it has 15 floors landing on it. Next floor has 16.. Next has 17.
@roquefortfiles "Once failure happens why is one floor going to have any higher rating than another floor? It isn't. The next floor is rated to hold 1500 tons as well. But now it has 15 floors landing on it. Next floor has 16.. Next has 17.
Ya falla?"
Yea I follow the law of physics that every action has an equal and opposite reaction, you consistently avoid this law and claim that floors will maintain their energy after impacting another object. You fail basic physics
@roquefortfiles and actually i didnt tell you any "stories" I just proved you wrong and your cognitive dissonance forced you to avoid addressing the facts at all costs. So you call me a name, say I'm on drugs and I'm supposed to be convinced that you are right? What false-reality do you live in? Oh yea, the one you were programmed to live in through emotive sequences. I'm on the side of truth, you're on the side of making excuses. You're an innocence theorist.
@FjukTheFed So explain wtc7 which was not hit by a plane and had small isolated fires
When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers
(What part of " a few isolated fires" does all 47 stories cover?)
number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini
@FjukTheFed I'm on the side of truth, you're on the side of making excuses. You're an innocence theorist.
What excuses have i made? Everything i have told you is factually correct.
I know what is involved to CD a building. I have some experience in this area. And i know enough to know that a slab of concrete (an acre across!!) is not turned to powder by a couple of charges of thermite. Explosives don't do this either!!
When i hear stuff like this? I am in idiot territory!!
@roquefortfiles If you know anything about CD like you claim, the obvious signs of CD are the pyroclastic cloud flow and the building dropping straight down. Have you even seen the building 7 collapse video? even the related videos on the side shows no fires on wtc7. You are a shill and I hope the victims haunt your dreams. The first people to question the official conspiracy theory from the govt. were the victims families, I'm on their side, whose side are you on?
@FjukTheFed the obvious signs of CD are the pyroclastic cloud flow and the building dropping straight down. Pyroclastic flow has nothing to do with it. Believe me!! had ANY of these buildings been rigged for a CD. There isn't a soul in lower Manhattan that WOULDN'T know about it. I have been there and i know what one of these is like.
This is a VERY silly topic.
Its really too bad. Ignorance and stupidity won't get you too far.
@roquefortfiles And lastly, how is it that you are right about everything but NIST had to make multiple corrections to their report on WTC7 and the fact that a high school physics teacher proved free-fall for the first 8 stories which forced NIST to admit it that there was free fall. So what makes you confident you know it all when even NIST doesnt?
What do you think is going to happen to a building when all the internal supports collapse? There IS NOTHING supporting it. Once it reaches that point of global failure... ITS GONE!!. That's not my opinion guys like Shayam Sunder who investigated this says exactly the same thing.
There is a video on line of B7 and the NIST simulation running side by side. They line up PERFECTLY.
@roquefortfiles you sent me to an establishment propaganda video, in this video Kevin Ryan wasnt allowed to even look at the data that NIST put into their computer model. So what do they have to hide? A lot, apparently. In a computer model you can put in any information to make it collapse the way you want it to. And actually it doesnt match up at all, the computer model shows a twisting of the top corner, this doesnt happen in the real footage YOU FAIL AGAIN
@FjukTheFed twisting of the top corner, this doesnt happen in the real footage
Really? Would like a link to the video showing it? The top of the building is collapsing LOoooong before it actually drops. Why is that? Because ALL the internal supports are failing across the structure. There is where your.."Free fall" comes from.
thats what a natural collapse looks like from a fire MUCH GREATER than the small wtc fires, AND the steel structure remained intact! So explain wtc7 which was not hit by a plane and had small isolated fires and fell straight down through the path of greatest resistance in 7 seconds.
@FjukTheFed thats what a natural collapse looks like from a fire MUCH GREATER than the small wtc fires, AND the steel structure remained intact!
That's because that building has a cement internal core!!!.
Have you bothered reading the firemen oral histories? You should. B7 was no mystery to anyone dealing with it. They were fully aware it was going to come down. And nobody heard anything when it fell.
I have experience with a CD. Let me tell you.. people would know!!
@roquefortfiles I cant wait to hear you explanation of how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories!
Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse.
/watch?v=aAVd2txjNEc
AHAHAHAHAH NOW GO TELL YOUR BOSS YOU FOUND ONE THAT CAN SEE!
@roquefortfiles What I find so incredibly silly is your dedication to being an innocence theorist instead of doing actual research in search of the truth. Trying to prove somebody wrong with straw man arguments is no way to honor the victims because the victims families were the ones who actually started the truth movement by asking real questions, of which 70% remain unanswered. you are impeding the progress of constructive conversation, you are a shill and I feel sorry for you.
@roquefortfiles If you wish to talk reasonable rational logic then I can do so: Why do you believe it possible for fire and structural damage to bring down a building but not fire, structural damage (from a plane) and explosives? If it is possible for fire to bring down a building then is it not also possible for fire and explosives to bring it down? Is it possible for explosives to have been used to bring the building to the point where fire would initiate collapse?
@roquefortfiles These of course are rhetorical questions because the answer is yes. If one destructive element can bring about the destruction of a building then so can two. Hell it doesn't even have to be explosives. There could be something native to the building that could explode and cause damage. The fact that even this possibility was denied so vehemently cries foul play.
@Ahlywog Hell it doesn't even have to be explosives. There could be something native to the building that could explode and cause damage
You clearly don't understand what you are talking about. Sorry!! you don't cut major load bearing steel columns by a simple "Explosion" doesn't work like that. It requires high velocity explosives. Stuff like RDX that detonates at 5 miles a second. Put in to a shaped charge. There is a reason SC are used.
@roquefortfiles So we're back to fire being able to bring down a building but not fire and some form of explosive. I didn't say it would cut load bearing columns I said cause damage.
@Ahlywog Yes. They don't put fire proofing on the steel for fun or decoration. Remove it as the planes did and you now have ZERO fire rating. There is a reason the columns are bowed inward all along the side of the building. The only thing connected to them are the floors. The floors don't hold vertical loads. They have a load limit of about 1500 tons. Drop 180,000 tons on it (31 stories) and guess what happens to the floor load limit?
@roquefortfiles I think you need to recheck your math. There wasn't 31 floors worth of mass sitting on the floor trusses when they started bowing. Nor is that even the official explanation of the failure of those trusses. Nor does a 31 floor section of the top of the building weight more than 1/3 of the mass of the building.
NIST's magical girder ended up 2.2 inches SHORT of the minimum 5.5 needed for the girder to fall off the seat and cause the collapse of WTC7 using NIST's own data?
NIST"S thermal expansion collapse theory = FAIL
Guess they never thought anyone would check, nice work Kevin :)
Major news channels like ABC, Fox, BBC deliberately airbrush historical events as they happen because these organisations are part of the Military Industrial Complex of Corporate America and the UK. Whatever might reveal the existence of operations carried out by shadowy figures employed by their respective Governments to whom they acquiesce, like 911 demolitions, is carefully edited out of their 'documentaries'.
Mainstream Media and Governments are one organisation.
I believed it was a demolition that brought the towers down but there were questions that didnt seem to fit the demolition theory. The upturned cars, the strange anomalies with the cars in the car park. The ladder on the fire truck with its ladder twisted like licorice. The buildings turning to dust and the spire and core literally disintergrating as it came down. 1,500 People jumped to their deaths, after tearing at the clothing on their bodies. Maybe a microwave weapon? everything to Dust!
It makes no difference if NIST rebuttles this video or not with their version of "facts". It all comes down to people who believe this government orchestrated 911 "fail" when confronted with known undeniable logic. Everyone knows 2 jetliners hit the twin towers. IF this government IS responsible for 911 and created a "false flag" for the purpose of War - What was the further need of demolition when the point was already made by the jetliners?
@Seeker7757 Are you serious? The need for demolition was to (1) create MORE death for a bigger impact, to anger more people, (2) to hide the evidence that the planes were flown in by remote guidance, (3) to make money on insurance claims (4) to get rid of all the Enron evidence that was stored in WTC 7. (5) to look more impressive on televison for bigger impact. For money, for power.
@kensmind Partial destruction would have accomplished the same goal as total destruction. I wasn’t aware there was a limit to lives lost to propel the US into the action they took. The shock and awe took place when the jetliners hit the towers, the Pentagon and crashing in Pennsylvania. The towers collapsing purely added insult to injury. So what are truthers trying to imply? Silverstein was in cohoots with planning 911 so he could profit? Enron exec's too? Remote guidance? What's next aliens???
After browsing thorough countless theories and such movies, there is still one thing I can't explain in any reasonable way. Taken separately it might not matter much, but in the context of everything that happened that day, it really sends a chill down my spine. I'm talking about the official report on the Pentagon crash and the whole lack of evidence and subsequent cover ups. It's just sickening how Americans can still vote or care about their government.
Ever heard of "Shock & awe"? The complete destruction of the 3 towers was for effect and theatre.
Also they were probably picked for destruction because of the billions of dollars needed for asbestos removal. It is documented that the port authority had denied the request on multiple occasions to demolish the towers.. They were a perfect choice considering the size/shock value and then throw in the fact of needed upgrades that would cost billions.. Look what happened to this country since.
WTC7 housed the CIA SEC...and to me, the most important part...it housed the pentagons BACK-UP accounting. Even though the Pentagon Accounting officses were taken out, they still could of continued the investigation with the back up drives in WTC7.
You cant say for sure if 93 was going to Camp David, the white house, NYC to be crashed in the street.
All I know is, the last hope of finding 2.3 trillion dollars went down inside WTC7. When looking for a criminal, best to follow the money
The attack continues as they took our banks like they took the jobs so the military looks like an option to hungry folks with no hope. The CULTING media made the troops victims being used to attack others for makers of 911 attack. Perfect mind control. Support the troops is their slogan for guilty killers to hide behind completely duping the public. We fight FOR the attackers of 911 as they wished. 120,000 civilians dead in Iraq. Many little Caylees buried in mass graves in the desert sand. Sad.
WTC7 had a lot of information in it about the banking scandal and the stock market scandals so it had to fall to destroy the information that was stored there.
Thermal expansion has never in the history of skyscrapers have caused failure of buildings.
The American people know what we were told was BS. They just don't know what to do about it.
Deception by computer model. This is not science, this is merely a long winded way of saying "this happened, but we can't back that up with real world observations".
Further, i still don't understand, even if this column expanded enough to fall off, how did this cause global collapse at an initial rate of fall ~9.8ms/2 ?
This is fantastic! Kevin Ryan does his homework. Reversals and "walking" girders do not dissuade him. NIST comp. model does NOT match vid. evidence. They work for the bureaucrats that needed certain results in their report. False science is manipulation of facts to get certain outcomes. Everyone is diminished when it is accepted. Thank God for Kevin Ryan in his quest for the Truth on Sept. 11, '01 for the victims & survivors. When the Truth is told those clowns at NIST will have splain'in todo
Well Done, Dr. Ryan. You are a hero and a true US patriot. Of course, since Ryan has used genuine science, the results of which imply the guilt of other, probably non-Muslim parties, the US corporate media will render these findings TABOO. Such is their obeisance for authority, even when the authorities have likely committed, or covered up one of the worst crimes of modern history. Those at NIST responsible for that fraudulent hairball of a "report" should be tried for harboring terrorists.
and why is that not on the news than the corperated on winst and owned by the same elite i think we never get a answer from a mirrecle ......or from nothing
9-11 WAS SO AN INSIDE JOB
AngryPotSmoker 1 week ago
@CNNFootage67 So how is it i get a message from CNN and a message from Wildhawks minutes apart with the exact same topic? and both of those go to the same home page?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@CNNFootage67 Don't be an idiot mr CNN. Mr WILDHAWKS.. probably Mr hotters.. Mr Azar..
Mr Dressup.
Playing 5 cards at Bingo tonight?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@CNNFootage67 CNN? WILDHAWKS??
Hmmmm same page?
Jerking off again tonight?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
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/watch?v=uMFqOOT6VoE - Building 7 without some kind of explosives or incendiaries. hahahahaha
IResearchStuff 4 months ago
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megamogx 5 months ago
I am sorry but you don't have a news crew shooting Ashley Banfield from a block and a half away and have B 7 collapse behind her without making a sound. Without any explosions taking place. To claim this building is brought down by explosives and have that happen without a sound. Is nothing short of absurd. And not possible.
Those are facts!!
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles there's more than just dynamite out there.
DjBall 6 months ago
@DjBall That may true.. but they all share one thing in common. They are EXPLOSIVES!! you don't cut major load bearing columns without high explosives. This talk of thermite is a bunch of nonsense. No CD tech would EVER use that for a CD. Ever!! Go and tell a CD company you plan on imploding a building with a slow burning incendiary. You'd get a stare and then... "Good luck with that". One charge necessary to cut a column here is hard enough to believe.. Let alone 20 more.
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles Still chasing the "thermite" red herring It was NEVER a theory until Dimitri Khailzov published his book and sent copies to CONgress.
loc(dot)gov/exhibits/911/images/lg-map-therm1(dot)jpg
Clearly shows excessive amounts of thermal energy, and in a blast circle no less. Seismic data proves the FACT they were taken down by nuclear demolition.
Zeolite absorbs radiation, and is created when granite (72% Si2O2, 15% Al2O3) is exposed to fission temps.
LASER enrichment = low radiation.
cheerdiver 5 months ago
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@roquefortfiles Still chasing the "thermite" red herring It was NEVER a theory until Dimitri Khailzov published his book and sent copies to CONgress.
loc(dot)gov/exhibits/911/images/lg-map-therm1(dot)jpg
Clearly shows excessive amounts of thermal energy, and in a blast circle no less. Seismic data proves the FACT they were taken down by nuclear demolition.
Zeolite absorbs radiation, and is created when granite (72% Si2O2, 15% Al2O3) is exposed to fission temps.
LASER enrichment = low radiation.
cheerdiver 5 months ago
@roquefortfiles when substances are nano sized their properties change. Carbon conducts electricity and the U.S. mil. con. tasked w/making nanothermite/mate, five or six of their different offices were located in WTC, would know how it reacts (explosive?). Like the anthrax (weaponized), nanothermite/mate would have a U.S. mil. signature. They were the only ones capable. Follow the MONEY. The MICC(Mil. Ind. Congressional Complex,"Ike") needed tax$ for FraudWar, what's a few thousand NewYorkers?:(
trex9008 5 months ago
@trex9008 Yeah.. except for the fact that the Metallurgist who examined the steel of B 7 found no traces of thermite or explosives on it. And no one found a thing in the debris pile. Which in and of itself is entirely ridiculous claiming explosives were involved.
Besides. A team of Controlled Demo techs were already on site before 7 came down. They stood there and watched it.
Its a silly story.
roquefortfiles 5 months ago
@roquefortfiles Termite does' cut/melt steel and makes no noise like conventional explosives! If there is traces of termite in the dust, then what is the mystery? This isn't your regular demo!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 4 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Termite does' cut/melt steel and makes no noise like conventional explosives.
Tell you what?. Pull out the yellow pages and ring up a CD company tell them you would like them to use Thermite on a building you want to implode. We'll see how fast they'd laugh uncontrollably at you. Actually you'd probably just get silence followed by........."sorry what?".
There is no CD tech, military or civilian who would even REMOTELY consider using a substance like this.
Silly story
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Silly story is the official story! Yellow pages? Can you think outside the box or even the phone book?
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 4 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE No my friend it has NOTHING to do with "Official" story Bullshit that so many of you CT people latch on to and site as your big problem with this event. Its a fact. You don't cut major load bearing steel columns with a slow burning incendiary. Its a silly silly story. Perpetuated by allot of people who think they know what they are talking about. They don't.
This requires high explosives. Stuff like RDX that detonates at 5 miles/sec. In a shaped charge.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles A slow burning, melting of steel, what? What is so no go about that? So what if it's not a service in the yellow pages If it (Can) cut a building down with no noise, then? And ez with the CT people thing! We all are! Only brain dead people aren't! Remember, the US government is involved and should be approached with extreme prejudges!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 4 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE I don't really even GET what the point is with all of this stuff. The FDNY were in charge of B 7 during the day. Everyone there was well aware that 7 was going to collapse. There was a team of CD techs already on site due to WTC's coming down. They all stood there and waited for 7 to come down. JFC Ashley Banfield of CNN is on air live saying.. "7 is the next one coming down"..
Ashley is now a psychic? No.. She knew because EVERYONE knew 7 was coming down.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles JFC Ashley Banfield, a physicist? The talking head? You don't get what this is all about? Then tune in to Ashley Banfield! Steel buildings don't melt when on fire, that's all! It's that simple! And thermite in the dust, what does' Ashley Banfield have to say about that?
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 4 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE No dude its not me. Its YOU. This thermite story is silly before it even gets out of the gate. Its not a substance that ANYONE would use for this job. No CD specialist would even begin to consider it for an implosion. The metallurgist who examined 7's steel said there was no sign of explosive or thermitic residue on the steel. And CD specialists found nothing pointing to CD in the rubble.
B7 was entirely expected to collapse. It was on fire top to bottom.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles But Ashley Banfield? It's me? No thermitic residue on the steel? There is unexploded thermite in the dust! Nof Said! Your in denial or an asset of misinfo. Either way you are wrong too many ways!
You said: "They all stood there and waited for 7 to come down" Flat Earther!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles the metallurgist who examined 7's steel? Do you know who that was? Can you name them? It certainly wasn't NIST, they only tested 1 small piece by their own admission. I would like to know the name of the people who went through and tested every single piece of steel in all 3 towers for evidence of CD.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog I'll save you the trouble!! There was a team of CD technicians already at B7 before it even collapsed. They were there at 3pm. It came down at 5.
Unless of course you want to hurl a group of CD techs under the bus. 30 year professionals are not going to know what they are looking at while standing in front of it??
This story doesn't even need to get to the metallurgy report before it is deemed utterly ridiculous. Which it is.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles No no. I want to see this report. Show me a report in which a metallurgist tested a significant percentage of the steel from WTC 1, 2 and 7 for explosive or thermitic residue. Also I would like to see the evidence for a team of CD techs at WTC 7. That just seems odd to me. why would private demolition contractors be at a building no one expects to be demolished?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog They were there because the WTC had collapsed at 10am. Called in to help in the recovery efforts.
I'll save you the trouble again. Because no one involved with CD would EVER begin to even entertain using Thermite as a CD material. It wouldn't happen. You don't use a slow burning incendiary to cut steel columns. It requires high explosives in shaped charges. Sorry. That's a fact.
The story is ridiculous before its even out of the gate.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles You saying they were there doesn't make it so. why would controlled demolition experts be called in for recovery efforts? What do they need explosives for when the buildings are already knocked down? I want proof. Just like I'm still waiting for this metallurgical report.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Who said they needed explosives? Nobody. They were brought in to help in the recovery efforts. 100's of CD techs were brought in. Hundreds of trained people were at all three buildings. Nobody found a thing relating to a CD. Nothing. Which in and of itself is ridiculous. CD's have oodles of material left over afterward. (I got experience in this stuff btw). You would not even require a trained individual to recover it. The stuff is all over.
Proof? Do your own digging.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Oh I have which is why I know you're wrong. The only metallurgical testing was done by FEMA and NIST and they tested only 3% of the structural steel from the affected floors of the towers and only 1 single piece of steel from 7. And in both cases they specifically did NOT test for explosive/thermitic residue. But you already knew that which is why you are making claims and then refusing to back them up.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles And I love this assertion that there would be "oodles" of obvious evidence for controlled demolition. Do you know why such evidence is obvious in a commercial demolition? Because the buildings have already been gutted first. The towers and WTC 7 were not gutted. So you're telling me both trained and untrained personnel can distinguish hundreds of miles of wiring and cabling and thousands of pulverized electronics from pulverized demolition materials on sight?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog LOL!! The fact the buildings were not gutted makes the story EVEN MORE ridiculous. Are you aware that ONE CHARGE... one!! would shatter glass in 360' around the building?.. not only that but it would shatter the glass on opposing buildings and it would do it with EASE!!. Also. You don't have camera crews positioned 800 feet from the WTC (I measured this on Google earth btw) and have them record NOTHING not ONE bang or detonation
Dude.. its all nonsense!!
Been there.. i know!!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Bravo, man. Bravo. I like how you can continually make these claims without a shred of evidence to back them or, or with substantial evidence to refute it. Not one bang or detonation. Not true of course, even the media was reporting massive explosions all throughout the day. The FDNY and NYPD reported explosions. Witnesses reported explosions. watch?v=W902B6obIqM <== and thats one right there.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Oh hey, by the way, when did welders with cutting torches and heavy machinery operators become "controlled demolition technicians" ?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.
"We were all standing around helpless...we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Demolition teams as in explosives experts? Or demolitions teams as in people with cutting torches and heavy machinery? Because those are most definitely not the same thing. I like the quote, by the way. I can quote people too. Which witnesses should I quote first? The average people who heard explosions before the collapse? The media that reported explosions? Maybe the media that reported secondary devices and car bombs? The fire department? The port authority?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Well you obviously don't understand what you are talking about. Demolition teams mean guys trained in CD. explosives etc. Of which there were dozens and dozens present.
You guys just never give up do you? Why don't you listen to the man who was in charge of this building. Dan Nigro of the FDNY.. Go an google some info on him and this. He stood in front of 7 when it went. It was burning top to bottom. It collapsed without a sound.. No charges no bangs. he was there.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@Ahlywog These are shaped charges detonating in a city setting. Direct me to one video of B 7 or the WTC collapses for that matter that has this kind of audio going on. Oodles of video exist. Because this is what you would hear in a REAL CD. This is what REAL explosives are like.
Show this to me from B7 or WTC 1 or 2.
watch?v=obJe66QHx_Y&feature=related
You can't you know why?
Cause it don't exist.
How come?
Cause it never happened to begin with.
Prove me wrong!! I am waiting!!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles I'll prove you wrong when you show me the report showing metallurgists testing a significant portion of the steel for explosive and thermitic residue.
It was burning top to bottom? Are you sure? Because there is not a single video or picture anywhere showing flames in WTC 7 when it collapsed. NISTs report says it only had smalls fires on the majority of the floors. As for Mr. Nirgo: I can reference FDNY members saying bombs and explosions. So what?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog LOL!!!. Dude. do your own research!! its out there. I saw it on a CBC documentary on this subject. I don't really care if you don't believe me. The only person that i worry about convincing.. IS ME!!. I have experience in CD and i know first hand what a load of crap all these stories are. They are total nonsense!!.
If any of these buildings had been rigged for a CD.. BELIEVE ME!! everyone in lower Manhattan would be plainly aware of it. Without QUESTION!!
Its a joke!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles OOOOH! A CBC documentary! OK! Because all those documentaries are completely credible. Like how all those documentaries with all their professional engineer experts jumped all over the "pancake theory" bandwagon only to have NIST say the pancake theory was wrong. Or the documentaries with MIT engineering professors with CG representations of the same thing. If the steel was tested professionally there is a report. I want to see the report.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles Something you will notice is how I have not once referenced a documentary as credible evidence of anything. Anyways. I would also like to know what your controlled demolition experience is. what explosives have you worked with? What kind of buildings have you participated in the destruction of?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog I get your point. But i also think there is something called.. REASONABLE RATIONAL LOGIC!!. You can throw some things out. But you can't throw everything out. That gets unreasonable. There is a GREAT DEAL of unreasonableness with people pushing this "TM" stuff. It gets quite silly.
I shot a 25 story office building being imploded for tv news. Shot the whole process. Stood a block away when it was set off.
Trust me!! Everyone would know about it at the WTC. Kind of silly
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles What silly is this constant denial of "explosions" by the nay-sayers. NIST says there is no video or audio evidence or eyewitness accounts of explosions and yet I can search "911 explosions" in youtube and find a hundred videos of eyewitnesses, including the media, FDNY, NYPD and WTC tenants, describing exactly that. Explosions happened. This is not a question. What's left is to determine the origin of those explosions which no one has done or tried to do thus far.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Firstly. explosions taking place in a MAJOR fire is nothing out of the ordinary. Ask any fireman. There are things like aerosols and pressure vessels (oxygen.. cans.. etc etc) and having them blow up is NORMAL. This is not "NEWS" at the WTC.
Were there explosions? sure probably. Its expected.
Were there timed shaped charges blowing columns??
Absolutely NOT!!. As i have said. Let me assure you that any of these buildings rigged for CD?.
We would KNOW!! Been there!!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles When have I ever said shape charges? I don't believe there were shape charges either. Just like I don't believe the no-planer bullshit or space lasers or mini nukes or subterranean mole people. I am not here arguing for the sake of any particular theory beyond the the official investigations being half assed at best and outright cover ups in all probability.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog the official investigations being half assed at best and outright cover ups in all probability.
No they're not. They are actually quite right.
All i needed to see to know this CD stuff was TOTAL BS was ONE video tape shot by ABC NEWS standing 800 feet from WTC 2 as it comes down. They record nothing. (I am talking charges detonating).
This is so incredibly silly I can't even put it in to words. All of this CD stuff is quite frankly a JOKE!!. Its that silly.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles All that proves is that it wasn't a standard commercial demolition. that's it. For all the tapes showing the collapse of the towers without audio evidence of explosions there sure are a lot of witnesses who reported massive explosions right before the towers came down. Again even the media, FDNY and NYPD reported it. Seems to be that commercial video cameras are not a reliable source of audio in these conditions.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Standard demolition?? LOL!! Some new silent explosive?? (don't think so!!) This building would require some of the largest charges available. Every building has the columns pre cut so the building falls a certain way. If they are not pre cut even larger charges have to be used. One charge capable of blowing these columns would not only shatter the glass in 360 degrees around the building.. (With ease!!) it would blow the aluminum cladding off the tower.
Silly stories!!!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles The people there clearly didn't think they were silent. And once again you are arguing for fires and plane damage to bring down a building but not fires, plane damage and explosives.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog plane damage and explosives.
Uh.. NO!. Anyone with any knowledge of CD can easily tell there are no explosives involved in the collapse. The building does not even fall in a manner of a CD. Had explosives been involved the collapse would look entirely different. There IS nothing controlled about the way it comes down. Every lower floor is intact until the upper section lands on it and crushes it. Its a failure collapse. Its not a CD.
Big big difference.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Seems to be that commercial video cameras are not a reliable source of audio in these conditions.
The camera that ABC news uses is a pro camera. With 2 sources of high quality microphones. The camera has a mic channel and the reporter has his mic channel. Both would be running. I used to shoot news so i know the standard practices. The audio on these cameras is VERY high quality.
ABC records nothing. This is such a joke its not even worth my time to reply.
Its not happening.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles /watch?v=uMFqOOT6VoE - Building 7 without some kind of explosives or incendiaries. haha
IResearchStuff 4 months ago 2
@IResearchStuff Sorry.. your point?
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
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@roquefortfiles "There IS nothing controlled about the way it comes down. Every lower floor is intact until the upper section lands on it and crushes it. Its a failure collapse. Its not a CD. Big big difference."
FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION! You obviously failed physics and in all the videos, there is no reaction from floors being "crushed" it is all one continuous motion. The top floors had thinner steel than the supporting structure below anyways.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles Due to its height and high winds associated, the steel in the upper floors were thinner than the lower floors. This is fact easily found by looking at the blueprints of the building and common sense architecture. So is the fact that it is impossible for 12 stories to "crush" 88 stories and 20 stories to "crush" 80 stories. You are delusional, please find help.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles In 1935 popular mechanics published an article called "Skyride tower felled by melting steel legs" "When fired by electricity the thermite generated a temperature of more than 5,000 degrees about the two legs, melting the ten-foot sections almost instantly, causing the tower to tip and then to crash." So given 66 years, the advancement in using thermite in this manner patent 5698812, and one that specifically deals with noise 5532449 gives much support for CD.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed Not if you understand how buildings fall during a CD!!.
Neither of the WTC's remotely resemble a CD. There is nothing "Controlled" about it at all.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles Once again you side step the facts and use your own subjective interpretation of what controlled demolition means to proclaim yourself the victor. You have not proved anything other than your clear lack of objectivity to the obvious concentrated ejections of thick white-grey smoke far below the point of impact and the rate of "collapse" on wtc1 and 2. NIST admits free-fall the first 8 stories of wtc7, free fall in an office fire is impossible, now read the patents
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed obvious concentrated ejections of thick white-grey smoke far below the point of impact
And what of it? The central columns are 60 feet behind that wall. You're trying to convince me a jet like a garden hose first blows a column 60 feet away, travels across an open floor with desks and room dividers and file cabinets. Finds a window and blasts out like a fire hose?
Don't think so!!
4 "squibs" does not a CD make anyway.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles ahahhaaahahh yea so i guess 2 buildings getting hit in 2 completely different spots and falling down exactly the same aren't conspicuous at all. And you obviously still havent read the patents because you are a paid shill trained to avoid the truth. ahhahaha you are so pathetic, your life is worth less than nothing since you have decide to take the side of evil, go back to 1984, your cover is blown. You also didnt look at the ejections above the point of impact
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed If the goal of a CD was to kill people. It was successful. Anyone knows that. Lots of people died in the collapses. But these buildings came down an hour and hour and a half after they were hit. If the goal is to kill people they would have killed EVERYONE in the building had it been CD as soon as the plane hit. Are we supposed to believe this is a "kinder gentler" covert plan?
"We're going to kill you but we'll give you an hour to get out"
Nice of them
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed WTC 1 hit square to the core. Incredibly it collapses square to the core. It even lasts 2x longer because it has half the weight remaining above the impact point. WTC 2 lasts half as long. It has 2x the load to bear as WTC 1. WTC 2 collapses toward the side obliterated by the plane. Entirely consistent with where and HOW it is damaged.
BTW no explosive or incendiary renders concrete floors in to powder.
Your volley!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles "BTW no explosive or incendiary renders concrete floors in to powder."
Patent 5532449 proves you wrong, you would know this if you actually read it but you think you know everything.
INDUSTRIAL APPLICABILITY
The present invention is effective to serve as a method and an apparatus which can prevent a secondary problem due to noise, flying dust and chips, and the like, and can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed You're smoking too much crack if you think formed steel columns are going to be sizzled apart with a bucket of thermite. This requires high explosives. Go call up a demo company and ask them. See how long before they start laughing at you.
The amount of explosives to produce the kind of pulverization we saw there was estimated to be roughly 650 Tonnes of high grade explosive.
And unfortunately nobody found anything like that. With 100's of trained people.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are so pathetic you still didnt read the patent. PATENT 5698812
"Utilizing the present invention, a steel plate 1 inch in thickness was completely burned-through using 0.75 pound thermite charge within a container three-quarters the size of the M14 package which contains double the thermite."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA you are so willfully ignorant you believe that you have all the facts without doing the research.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles patent 5698812
FIELD OF THE INVENTION
This invention relates to destructive devices using thermite reactions and in particular concerns improved means of utilizing such reactions in the destruction of metallic targets.
Patent 5532449
INDUSTRIAL APPLICABILITY
The present invention is effective to serve as a method and an apparatus which can prevent a secondary problem due to noise, flying dust and chips, and the like, and can demolish concrete at a high efficiency
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed Who are you kidding here? Go look at the buildings coming down. That much incendiary would light those things up like the 4th of July. You don't get something for nothing and we are talking about MASSIVE amounts of energy here.
Care to point out across the bowed columns that are failing on WTC 2 where your gigantic Thermite reactions are happening. On close up video to boot?
I see nothing. Stevie Wonder could see that.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed One floor!! ONE!! weighed 627 Tonnes. That's only the concrete.
You're not converting this to powder with a couple of buckets of thermite.
Get real.
You're theories are ridiculous. And not remotely believable.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles you didnt address the fact that its impossible for 12 stories to crush 88 stories, you are the one smoking crack. Your life is worthless man.....
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles "You're not converting this to powder with a couple of buckets of thermite."
AHAHHAHAHAHAHA wow you sound just like the mainstream media, thats how everyone knows you're a paid shill.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed You're on glue dude. You're no different to the whack jobs i talk to about this.
You can research all the US patents you like. You're stories are absolutely ridiculous.
Paid shill?? Who writes your material? Like we need someone to sit in a coffee shop debunking YOUR nonsense posts???
Piss off. When you come up with something credible and realistic let me know.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles Explain to me how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories since im on glue! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA seriously how can you think that a mass of 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories! tell me what law of physics allows for this to happen because I'm a total idiot.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed Explain to me how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories since im on glue!
The floors in the WTC do not carry vertical loads. That is what the columns do. The floors are held by a bracket and 2- 5/8th inch bolts. They have a load limit of about 1500 tons over what they weigh. When the columns failed (and they did.. you can see it). The upper 31 floors rotated over on to the floors.
You're asking a floor rated to carry 1500 tons to hold 180,000 tons?
Good luck on that
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles "When the columns failed (and they did.. you can see it). The upper 31 floors rotated over on to the floors." HAHAHAHA you can see through the building? and where do you come up with 31 floors?!?!?!? You didnt even answer the question, you are delusional. You are leaving out the fact the each action has an equal and opposite reaction. You also didnt address the fact that the lower structure was still fully intact and that steel is thicker than the upper floors.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed and where do you come up with 31 floors?!?!?!?
Do you have eyes? WTC 2 was hit from floor 78 to about 83.
This is precisely where the fulcrum point of the failure is. (Go look at it) Count to the top of the building!! 78. (We'll say 79 to be nice to you!!). plus 31 =110 stories.
The failure fulcrum is exactly where the plane hit it. There is a rotational point at the back of the building directly opposite the plane impacts.
That's floor 78.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed I just find it really really sad that so many of you guys foam at the mouth about all this stuff on YT. But in reality you are simply ill informed and ill educated about the whole thing.
So this guy is lying is he? An FDNY fireman? There with 7 all day? He was there. You weren't. And you know over this guy?
watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4
Forward to the 6:55 mark. Listen to Frank Papalia.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles /watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
watch the whole thing and instead of listening to what one person said, look at the actual pictures and footage of the building. So all the footage is lying?
And i love your double standard concerning firemen
/watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64 /watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o
/watch?v=UhGcBxONSvc&feature=related
your thermite comment, i could make the same comparison to gun powder, a bucket of gunpowder wont do much but take a small amount in a firing mechanism and what happens? lol
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed Once again. Have you read the oral histories? (No)
Chief Dan Nigro (You don't get much higher) was in charge of 7 all day. His decision to abandon it and let it burn to focus on saving the guys who were in the WTC collapses.
(I'll paraphrase it for you)
". Never heard a thing when it collapsed. The conspiracy stories are nonsense, I was at 7 all day"
(end)
If you guys were REALLY interested in truth you wouldn't spend your time looking for Conspiracy vids.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed take a small amount in a firing mechanism and what happens? lol
LOL indeed. On a cement floor an acre across? Weighing 650 tonnes?
Yeah don't think so!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed what law of physics allows for this to happen because I'm a total idiot.
The man who built this structure Les Robertson has said of its collapse (Quote)
"there is no way one floor is going to hold the weight of 14 or more floors falling on it. Not possible!! It would collapse instantly and to the foundations".. (end)
You think Les shows up every day pulling numbers out of the air?
This man ENGINEERED the load characteristics in the building.
You were saying???
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles ahahha yea one floor wont hold the weight of 14 or more floors, but 88 can hold 12, and the upper floors wouldve fallen in the path of least resistance, not the greatest. A natural collapse wouldve tipped to one side and the underlying structure wouldve remained intact
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed A natural collapse wouldve tipped to one side and the underlying structure wouldve remained intact
No.. no no no no!!!!
All the gravity loads in a big building like this are directed STRAIGHT down. The building is about 90% air. There is more than enough space for it to go through itself. Its not a tinker toy set. The top is not just going to slough off the side. No way!!
Robertson has also said. "More than enough weight up there to bring the buildings down"
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles "The building is about 90% air." you really are in idiot territory...
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed ahahha yea one floor wont hold the weight of 14 or more floors, but 88 can hold 12.
Doesn't work like that!! Once failure happens why is one floor going to have any higher rating than another floor? It isn't. The next floor is rated to hold 1500 tons as well. But now it has 15 floors landing on it. Next floor has 16.. Next has 17.
Ya falla?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
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@roquefortfiles "Once failure happens why is one floor going to have any higher rating than another floor? It isn't. The next floor is rated to hold 1500 tons as well. But now it has 15 floors landing on it. Next floor has 16.. Next has 17.
Ya falla?"
Yea I follow the law of physics that every action has an equal and opposite reaction, you consistently avoid this law and claim that floors will maintain their energy after impacting another object. You fail basic physics
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles and actually i didnt tell you any "stories" I just proved you wrong and your cognitive dissonance forced you to avoid addressing the facts at all costs. So you call me a name, say I'm on drugs and I'm supposed to be convinced that you are right? What false-reality do you live in? Oh yea, the one you were programmed to live in through emotive sequences. I'm on the side of truth, you're on the side of making excuses. You're an innocence theorist.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed So explain wtc7 which was not hit by a plane and had small isolated fires
When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers
(What part of " a few isolated fires" does all 47 stories cover?)
number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed I'm on the side of truth, you're on the side of making excuses. You're an innocence theorist.
What excuses have i made? Everything i have told you is factually correct.
I know what is involved to CD a building. I have some experience in this area. And i know enough to know that a slab of concrete (an acre across!!) is not turned to powder by a couple of charges of thermite. Explosives don't do this either!!
When i hear stuff like this? I am in idiot territory!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
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@roquefortfiles AHAHAHAHAH o man "a couple of charges of thermite" so those concrete slabs just turned to dust in mid air?
"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers"
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH Show me the pictures!!!!!!!!!!!! The video of WTC7 imploding has ABSOLUTELY NO VISIBLE FIRES.
and NIST already admitted that the supposed damage from wtc 1 was a non-factor.
You are a blatantly denying reality
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles If you know anything about CD like you claim, the obvious signs of CD are the pyroclastic cloud flow and the building dropping straight down. Have you even seen the building 7 collapse video? even the related videos on the side shows no fires on wtc7. You are a shill and I hope the victims haunt your dreams. The first people to question the official conspiracy theory from the govt. were the victims families, I'm on their side, whose side are you on?
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
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@FjukTheFed the obvious signs of CD are the pyroclastic cloud flow and the building dropping straight down. Pyroclastic flow has nothing to do with it. Believe me!! had ANY of these buildings been rigged for a CD. There isn't a soul in lower Manhattan that WOULDN'T know about it. I have been there and i know what one of these is like.
This is a VERY silly topic.
Its really too bad. Ignorance and stupidity won't get you too far.
Have fun in the "TM".
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles And lastly, how is it that you are right about everything but NIST had to make multiple corrections to their report on WTC7 and the fact that a high school physics teacher proved free-fall for the first 8 stories which forced NIST to admit it that there was free fall. So what makes you confident you know it all when even NIST doesnt?
and, I'm done.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed Are you sure you're done?
What do you think is going to happen to a building when all the internal supports collapse? There IS NOTHING supporting it. Once it reaches that point of global failure... ITS GONE!!. That's not my opinion guys like Shayam Sunder who investigated this says exactly the same thing.
There is a video on line of B7 and the NIST simulation running side by side. They line up PERFECTLY.
You should check it out!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles you sent me to an establishment propaganda video, in this video Kevin Ryan wasnt allowed to even look at the data that NIST put into their computer model. So what do they have to hide? A lot, apparently. In a computer model you can put in any information to make it collapse the way you want it to. And actually it doesnt match up at all, the computer model shows a twisting of the top corner, this doesnt happen in the real footage YOU FAIL AGAIN
You are so mis/uninformed its sad.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@FjukTheFed twisting of the top corner, this doesnt happen in the real footage
Really? Would like a link to the video showing it? The top of the building is collapsing LOoooong before it actually drops. Why is that? Because ALL the internal supports are failing across the structure. There is where your.."Free fall" comes from.
YOU FAIL AGAIN You are so mis/uninformed its sad.
Back attcha dude!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles /watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM&feature=related
thats what a natural collapse looks like from a fire MUCH GREATER than the small wtc fires, AND the steel structure remained intact! So explain wtc7 which was not hit by a plane and had small isolated fires and fell straight down through the path of greatest resistance in 7 seconds.
You were failing?????
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@FjukTheFed thats what a natural collapse looks like from a fire MUCH GREATER than the small wtc fires, AND the steel structure remained intact!
That's because that building has a cement internal core!!!.
Have you bothered reading the firemen oral histories? You should. B7 was no mystery to anyone dealing with it. They were fully aware it was going to come down. And nobody heard anything when it fell.
I have experience with a CD. Let me tell you.. people would know!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles I cant wait to hear you explanation of how 12 stories can "crush" 88 stories!
Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse.
/watch?v=aAVd2txjNEc
AHAHAHAHAH NOW GO TELL YOUR BOSS YOU FOUND ONE THAT CAN SEE!
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles These patents were issued in 1996 and 1997, well before the 9/11/2001
no volley, game. set. match.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles What I find so incredibly silly is your dedication to being an innocence theorist instead of doing actual research in search of the truth. Trying to prove somebody wrong with straw man arguments is no way to honor the victims because the victims families were the ones who actually started the truth movement by asking real questions, of which 70% remain unanswered. you are impeding the progress of constructive conversation, you are a shill and I feel sorry for you.
FjukTheFed 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles If you wish to talk reasonable rational logic then I can do so: Why do you believe it possible for fire and structural damage to bring down a building but not fire, structural damage (from a plane) and explosives? If it is possible for fire to bring down a building then is it not also possible for fire and explosives to bring it down? Is it possible for explosives to have been used to bring the building to the point where fire would initiate collapse?
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles These of course are rhetorical questions because the answer is yes. If one destructive element can bring about the destruction of a building then so can two. Hell it doesn't even have to be explosives. There could be something native to the building that could explode and cause damage. The fact that even this possibility was denied so vehemently cries foul play.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Hell it doesn't even have to be explosives. There could be something native to the building that could explode and cause damage
You clearly don't understand what you are talking about. Sorry!! you don't cut major load bearing steel columns by a simple "Explosion" doesn't work like that. It requires high velocity explosives. Stuff like RDX that detonates at 5 miles a second. Put in to a shaped charge. There is a reason SC are used.
Conventional explosives WON'T do this.
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles So we're back to fire being able to bring down a building but not fire and some form of explosive. I didn't say it would cut load bearing columns I said cause damage.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
@Ahlywog Yes. They don't put fire proofing on the steel for fun or decoration. Remove it as the planes did and you now have ZERO fire rating. There is a reason the columns are bowed inward all along the side of the building. The only thing connected to them are the floors. The floors don't hold vertical loads. They have a load limit of about 1500 tons. Drop 180,000 tons on it (31 stories) and guess what happens to the floor load limit?
You do the math!!
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles I think you need to recheck your math. There wasn't 31 floors worth of mass sitting on the floor trusses when they started bowing. Nor is that even the official explanation of the failure of those trusses. Nor does a 31 floor section of the top of the building weight more than 1/3 of the mass of the building.
Ahlywog 4 months ago
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9/11/2011 - Ten Years, No Justice
/watch?v=FxPaebHe3fw
911debunkerschannel 6 months ago
NIST's magical girder ended up 2.2 inches SHORT of the minimum 5.5 needed for the girder to fall off the seat and cause the collapse of WTC7 using NIST's own data?
NIST"S thermal expansion collapse theory = FAIL
Guess they never thought anyone would check, nice work Kevin :)
manwello15 6 months ago
Major news channels like ABC, Fox, BBC deliberately airbrush historical events as they happen because these organisations are part of the Military Industrial Complex of Corporate America and the UK. Whatever might reveal the existence of operations carried out by shadowy figures employed by their respective Governments to whom they acquiesce, like 911 demolitions, is carefully edited out of their 'documentaries'.
Mainstream Media and Governments are one organisation.
christvbible 6 months ago
i remember when a small plane killed an sportsman in his apartment, the structural damage was minimum, and no colateral damage
TheLakabanzaichrg 7 months ago
NIST Shyam Sunder Stand Up Comedy watch?v=VcJIVfOIf-k&feature=channel_video_title
YSBCITTAR 7 months ago
watched, downloaded and uploaded. a very good report.
vengencefrom1979 7 months ago
I believed it was a demolition that brought the towers down but there were questions that didnt seem to fit the demolition theory. The upturned cars, the strange anomalies with the cars in the car park. The ladder on the fire truck with its ladder twisted like licorice. The buildings turning to dust and the spire and core literally disintergrating as it came down. 1,500 People jumped to their deaths, after tearing at the clothing on their bodies. Maybe a microwave weapon? everything to Dust!
ilovemymum777 7 months ago
@ilovemymum777 I've heard it was a disintegrative explosive called thermite. look it up.
SilverMahouShinobi 6 months ago
It makes no difference if NIST rebuttles this video or not with their version of "facts". It all comes down to people who believe this government orchestrated 911 "fail" when confronted with known undeniable logic. Everyone knows 2 jetliners hit the twin towers. IF this government IS responsible for 911 and created a "false flag" for the purpose of War - What was the further need of demolition when the point was already made by the jetliners?
Seeker7757 7 months ago
@Seeker7757 Are you serious? The need for demolition was to (1) create MORE death for a bigger impact, to anger more people, (2) to hide the evidence that the planes were flown in by remote guidance, (3) to make money on insurance claims (4) to get rid of all the Enron evidence that was stored in WTC 7. (5) to look more impressive on televison for bigger impact. For money, for power.
kensmind 7 months ago 10
@kensmind Partial destruction would have accomplished the same goal as total destruction. I wasn’t aware there was a limit to lives lost to propel the US into the action they took. The shock and awe took place when the jetliners hit the towers, the Pentagon and crashing in Pennsylvania. The towers collapsing purely added insult to injury. So what are truthers trying to imply? Silverstein was in cohoots with planning 911 so he could profit? Enron exec's too? Remote guidance? What's next aliens???
Seeker7757 7 months ago
@Seeker7757
After browsing thorough countless theories and such movies, there is still one thing I can't explain in any reasonable way. Taken separately it might not matter much, but in the context of everything that happened that day, it really sends a chill down my spine. I'm talking about the official report on the Pentagon crash and the whole lack of evidence and subsequent cover ups. It's just sickening how Americans can still vote or care about their government.
ofiterpunte 7 months ago
@Seeker7757 So.... are you saying that aliens exist then?????????
SilverMahouShinobi 6 months ago
@kensmind for fear
TheLakabanzaichrg 7 months ago
@Seeker7757
I think kensmind just owned you.
clipper0udo2 7 months ago 2
Ever heard of "Shock & awe"? The complete destruction of the 3 towers was for effect and theatre.
Also they were probably picked for destruction because of the billions of dollars needed for asbestos removal. It is documented that the port authority had denied the request on multiple occasions to demolish the towers.. They were a perfect choice considering the size/shock value and then throw in the fact of needed upgrades that would cost billions.. Look what happened to this country since.
AiresQX4 7 months ago
WTC7 housed the CIA SEC...and to me, the most important part...it housed the pentagons BACK-UP accounting. Even though the Pentagon Accounting officses were taken out, they still could of continued the investigation with the back up drives in WTC7.
You cant say for sure if 93 was going to Camp David, the white house, NYC to be crashed in the street.
All I know is, the last hope of finding 2.3 trillion dollars went down inside WTC7. When looking for a criminal, best to follow the money
FreedumbFighter28 5 months ago
The attack continues as they took our banks like they took the jobs so the military looks like an option to hungry folks with no hope. The CULTING media made the troops victims being used to attack others for makers of 911 attack. Perfect mind control. Support the troops is their slogan for guilty killers to hide behind completely duping the public. We fight FOR the attackers of 911 as they wished. 120,000 civilians dead in Iraq. Many little Caylees buried in mass graves in the desert sand. Sad.
rickfaw 7 months ago 3
I have a bridge to sell. Anyone interested? The building came down do to explosives. It came down on it's own foot print.
fjerins 7 months ago
3 days up not a debunker yet, most of the time they are very quick to react to Truther comments LOL
Misstorys 7 months ago 2
WTC7 had a lot of information in it about the banking scandal and the stock market scandals so it had to fall to destroy the information that was stored there.
Thermal expansion has never in the history of skyscrapers have caused failure of buildings.
The American people know what we were told was BS. They just don't know what to do about it.
MrStevilKneivel 7 months ago 3
Redress of Grievances springs to mind...so we all know what really happened so who is actually going to do something about it??
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil for every one striking at the root" - Thoreau
OdinsHenchman 7 months ago 3
Corruption will cover up the truth with lies for another 50 years or more until it won't matter
dave777blaster 7 months ago 4
Controlled demolition
MrDarkTides 7 months ago
this needs 20 million views but sadly your typical american can care less....
Hatinonthehaters 7 months ago 32
@Hatinonthehaters Yes it does, but its only been 3 days since this was posted. Give it some time.
Helmholtz53 7 months ago
@Hatinonthehaters COULD NOT CARE LESS******
could NOT
I cannot believe how every american thinks saying they CAN care less is saying that they don't care about it at all!
saying you CAN care less means that you DO IN FACT CARE ABOUT IT!! THINK ABOUT IT LOL
super6plx 5 months ago 5
@super6plx THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING MY GRAMMAR SIR! YOU HAVE JUST SAVED A BABY KITTEN!
Hatinonthehaters 5 months ago
The members of PNAC along with the other war criminals must be held accountable for 911. The debate is OVER ... 911 was an inside job. FACT.
It's time to put the war criminals in prison.
spirittoo 7 months ago 3
Thankyou for the analysis
Eriksz 7 months ago
Outstanding job my good man. Truth=peace=freedom.
MsChapman77 7 months ago
Deception by computer model. This is not science, this is merely a long winded way of saying "this happened, but we can't back that up with real world observations".
Further, i still don't understand, even if this column expanded enough to fall off, how did this cause global collapse at an initial rate of fall ~9.8ms/2 ?
tHoM0r 7 months ago 2
Thermal expansion = controlled demolition.
TorontoBoi 7 months ago 24
@TorontoBoi no it isn't.
Aanthanur 6 months ago
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@TorontoBoi
"Thermal expansion = controlled demolition."
LOL, explosives can't create thermal expansion, only fire can. You lose!
WhyAskQuestions 6 months ago
This is fantastic! Kevin Ryan does his homework. Reversals and "walking" girders do not dissuade him. NIST comp. model does NOT match vid. evidence. They work for the bureaucrats that needed certain results in their report. False science is manipulation of facts to get certain outcomes. Everyone is diminished when it is accepted. Thank God for Kevin Ryan in his quest for the Truth on Sept. 11, '01 for the victims & survivors. When the Truth is told those clowns at NIST will have splain'in todo
trex9008 7 months ago
TRUTH---FREEDOM You can't have one without the other!!!
kbspapa 7 months ago 2
@kbspapa we need the truth
TheLakabanzaichrg 7 months ago
Well Done, Dr. Ryan. You are a hero and a true US patriot. Of course, since Ryan has used genuine science, the results of which imply the guilt of other, probably non-Muslim parties, the US corporate media will render these findings TABOO. Such is their obeisance for authority, even when the authorities have likely committed, or covered up one of the worst crimes of modern history. Those at NIST responsible for that fraudulent hairball of a "report" should be tried for harboring terrorists.
bloggulator 7 months ago 2
inside job bastards
MoviesAndGamesTV 7 months ago 2
and why is that not on the news than the corperated on winst and owned by the same elite i think we never get a answer from a mirrecle ......or from nothing
dennisjo88 7 months ago
@dennisjo88, dirka drrrrr what?
AngryHateMusic 7 months ago
maybe the people that thit this are owning the system completely and the law ??
i think there will never be a justice fair investecation
and we are not welcom in there new agenda all the middleclass no matter what colour panty we have ...lol
dennisjo88 7 months ago
Great Video. Is it possible the the 3.5" of calculated beam expansiin
TimTries2Tube 7 months ago
Let them eat science!
satyavira 7 months ago 3
Nice work Dr. Ryan!
skeeveskeeve 7 months ago