You're spot on. Now can you set down any tables we can all follow? Not in a video in a text format that one can load up to a website or an email that one can print out. Thanks
Furzeham, please forgive my terse way of explaining myself, I do not mean to be derogatory at all. I feel you will be of great benefit to this technology in the future as I feel you are way more open minded than others who are steeped in the laws of electrical energy. Suggest you try using the energy stored in the batts you've charged with a DC to AC inverter & compare the comparative WATTs in & out to what you would otherwise need on just AC. Put away your textbook & get your electricity bill!
Okay, lets keep this clean and straightforward. If a capacitor source is used and a capacitor store is connected to the output and the energy at input = output (give or take a joule or two) and rotation has been achieved in the meantime, then yes, I would be the first to accept this as incontrovertable proof of overunity. However, charging and discharging batteries with no measurement system in place other than 'I did this lots of times' will not wash. You can't easily measure energy in cont'd..
Your postings are very good. Please do a YouTube search on "99 hours of testing NO VOLTAGE LOSS". I made about 30 postings on marthale7's clip where I expand on what you say in quite a bit of detail. I did it just to help the guy out with making proper measurements on his pulse motor setup. I think that you will find it worth the read.
so we need to find a way of measuring and proving that this effect exists and is measureable and repeatable, so far nobody has done that even to me, and as you say (thankyou) I have a very open mind to this concept, I really want it to be out there and I see a lot of claims but no incontravertable proof. You talk about the electricity bill, the dc to ac innverter, just show the numbers and thats fine - there are no numbers out there, it's not even techny, just evidence discipline
Thank you for acknowledging the rotor work. Also remember by adding several Generator coils around the rotor you can produce more electricity with almost no extra input.
Unfortunately I am not using an inverter myself yet but will be in the future. If you are hoping the losses in the inverter circuit will show up causing too much loss well sure they will but there will always be plenty of charged up batteries to swap with the primary and recharge the dead ones because it uses mA not amps to run
I don't know if this means it is over unity or not, though I am sure that these formulas don't accurately portray how electricty behaves in these devices.
I'd be happy to evaluate alternative methods but I think that the charging and discharging of batteries is the biggest myth around and highly dubious. You'd probably get better efficiency doing away with the motor and just connecting them directly
PLEASE! Why just try to dis-credit Batteries via your opinion & the fact that they are hard to monitor, instead of addressing Introverbrate's question 'How is it that he can swap the batteries DOZENS of times (thereby eliminating your so called myth beyond question!) before having to top them up'??? Just because you can not make this system fit into your UNSUITABLE, outdated (and possibly inaccurate, by Einstein's own words) model of testing... does NOT mean it is not doing what it IS doing.
Hey RockManAU, I suggest that you do a search on "99 hours of testing NO VOLTAGE LOSS". There you will find about 30 postings by me that explain how to do the measurement process on batteries in quite a bit of detail.
The fact that you can swap the batteries dozens of times is totally meaningless. The key thing is to know how much energy is in your batteries, run your experiment, and then measure how much energy is left in your batteries. It is the fundamental test that must be done.
Wrong again... he said 0.04%. Very unscientific of you there furzeham! Sorry if that was low, but then writing off the most special thing about this system i.e. what it does to the batteries that it energizes is equally as low!
Sorry, just to be pedantic, he said 0.04 COP which is 4% efficient - COP x 100 = percentage efficiency, a fact I'm afraid, and if this thing ius so fantastic, why are the batteries getting bigger every day ? it's only a cd on a highly efficient bearing after all. I think that maybe the bigger batteries hide the lossess better - but i am merely an optimistic cynic :-)
Big batts do more work. The point here, well for me anyway, is not just to charge batteries cheaply, but to use the charge as opposed to buying electricity. I charge all sizes from AAA - 12v 24 Ah and later bigger. Which reminds me, what makes you think the the large batt banks on Bedini's site are supplying the charge and not receiving it. If you could charge 4 batts with 1 all equal sizes would you do it? I would!
How would you calculate the efficiency, instead of using a flame from the HHO generator. Use the actual gains in MPG on a vehicle with an HHO gen system. Is this possible? If so, please elaborate your findings so I may duplicate.
Because of the chemical effects and reactions it is difficult,as I stated in one of my videos, to accurately measure the energy equations, particularly with charged batteries. The sensible approach is to use two large capacitors only, one as the voltage source and one as the receptor. The only measurements required are then voltage at start and end of the experiment and charge can then be accurately calculated and hence real efficiency with no external effects. Have you tried that approach ?
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rebelliouseoagj 1 year ago
You're spot on. Now can you set down any tables we can all follow? Not in a video in a text format that one can load up to a website or an email that one can print out. Thanks
theDaftman 3 years ago
Will take a look at that Drevtoobe thx.
RockManAU 4 years ago
Furzeham, please forgive my terse way of explaining myself, I do not mean to be derogatory at all. I feel you will be of great benefit to this technology in the future as I feel you are way more open minded than others who are steeped in the laws of electrical energy. Suggest you try using the energy stored in the batts you've charged with a DC to AC inverter & compare the comparative WATTs in & out to what you would otherwise need on just AC. Put away your textbook & get your electricity bill!
RockManAU 4 years ago
Okay, lets keep this clean and straightforward. If a capacitor source is used and a capacitor store is connected to the output and the energy at input = output (give or take a joule or two) and rotation has been achieved in the meantime, then yes, I would be the first to accept this as incontrovertable proof of overunity. However, charging and discharging batteries with no measurement system in place other than 'I did this lots of times' will not wash. You can't easily measure energy in cont'd..
furzeham 4 years ago
Hi there,
Your postings are very good. Please do a YouTube search on "99 hours of testing NO VOLTAGE LOSS". I made about 30 postings on marthale7's clip where I expand on what you say in quite a bit of detail. I did it just to help the guy out with making proper measurements on his pulse motor setup. I think that you will find it worth the read.
Drevtoobe 4 years ago
cont'd bit....
so we need to find a way of measuring and proving that this effect exists and is measureable and repeatable, so far nobody has done that even to me, and as you say (thankyou) I have a very open mind to this concept, I really want it to be out there and I see a lot of claims but no incontravertable proof. You talk about the electricity bill, the dc to ac innverter, just show the numbers and thats fine - there are no numbers out there, it's not even techny, just evidence discipline
furzeham 4 years ago
Thank you for acknowledging the rotor work. Also remember by adding several Generator coils around the rotor you can produce more electricity with almost no extra input.
Unfortunately I am not using an inverter myself yet but will be in the future. If you are hoping the losses in the inverter circuit will show up causing too much loss well sure they will but there will always be plenty of charged up batteries to swap with the primary and recharge the dead ones because it uses mA not amps to run
RockManAU 4 years ago
I'm afraid I disagree with your methods of measuring power with these pulse motors...
for example, I used one of your formula to work out how much power was going into the charging batteries and how much was going into the motor:
3.6 watts going into the motor
0.125 watts going into the charging batteries.
so only 3.47% of the energy going in is being captured.
HOWEVER... if this is the case, how is it I can swap the batteries DOZENS of times before I have to top them up again?
introvertebrate 4 years ago
the extra energy doesn't show up in the circuit. the "free" energy ONLY shows up INSIDE the charging batteries so meters will not detect it...
By these formulas I should only be getting a 0.0347 COP
However (with load testing) I'm actually getting 0.9 COP.
I don't know if this means it is over unity or not, though I am sure that these formulas don't accurately portray how electricty behaves in these devices.
introvertebrate 4 years ago
I'd be happy to evaluate alternative methods but I think that the charging and discharging of batteries is the biggest myth around and highly dubious. You'd probably get better efficiency doing away with the motor and just connecting them directly
furzeham 4 years ago
PLEASE! Why just try to dis-credit Batteries via your opinion & the fact that they are hard to monitor, instead of addressing Introverbrate's question 'How is it that he can swap the batteries DOZENS of times (thereby eliminating your so called myth beyond question!) before having to top them up'??? Just because you can not make this system fit into your UNSUITABLE, outdated (and possibly inaccurate, by Einstein's own words) model of testing... does NOT mean it is not doing what it IS doing.
RockManAU 4 years ago
Hey RockManAU, I suggest that you do a search on "99 hours of testing NO VOLTAGE LOSS". There you will find about 30 postings by me that explain how to do the measurement process on batteries in quite a bit of detail.
The fact that you can swap the batteries dozens of times is totally meaningless. The key thing is to know how much energy is in your batteries, run your experiment, and then measure how much energy is left in your batteries. It is the fundamental test that must be done.
Drevtoobe 4 years ago
If you did this you would not be able to recharge more than once or twice at most. Using this system it can be done dozens of times!
RockManAU 4 years ago
4% sounds about right to me
furzeham 4 years ago
Wrong again... he said 0.04%. Very unscientific of you there furzeham! Sorry if that was low, but then writing off the most special thing about this system i.e. what it does to the batteries that it energizes is equally as low!
RockManAU 4 years ago
Sorry, just to be pedantic, he said 0.04 COP which is 4% efficient - COP x 100 = percentage efficiency, a fact I'm afraid, and if this thing ius so fantastic, why are the batteries getting bigger every day ? it's only a cd on a highly efficient bearing after all. I think that maybe the bigger batteries hide the lossess better - but i am merely an optimistic cynic :-)
furzeham 4 years ago
Sry, My mistake re the 4%.
Big batts do more work. The point here, well for me anyway, is not just to charge batteries cheaply, but to use the charge as opposed to buying electricity. I charge all sizes from AAA - 12v 24 Ah and later bigger. Which reminds me, what makes you think the the large batt banks on Bedini's site are supplying the charge and not receiving it. If you could charge 4 batts with 1 all equal sizes would you do it? I would!
RockManAU 4 years ago
Hello Sir,
I have enjoyed your videos on overunity calcs.
How would you calculate the efficiency, instead of using a flame from the HHO generator. Use the actual gains in MPG on a vehicle with an HHO gen system. Is this possible? If so, please elaborate your findings so I may duplicate.
Thank you Brent Paulson
freedom2395 3 years ago
Because of the chemical effects and reactions it is difficult,as I stated in one of my videos, to accurately measure the energy equations, particularly with charged batteries. The sensible approach is to use two large capacitors only, one as the voltage source and one as the receptor. The only measurements required are then voltage at start and end of the experiment and charge can then be accurately calculated and hence real efficiency with no external effects. Have you tried that approach ?
furzeham 4 years ago
Again you have totally omitted the energy being done by the rotor in your proposed calculations again.
RockManAU 4 years ago
others have with great success.
RockManAU 4 years ago
Excellent analysis, your five part video should be viewed and used by anyone and everyone interested in this research.
rpraver1 4 years ago
Thank you, I am hoping to do something on HHO measurement this weekend and add stuff as and when I can. Thank you for your support.
furzeham 4 years ago