i didn't at all like this video.. Youtube ISN'T helping up and coming youtubers. For next up you need votes and only the big youtubers will get votes AND you have to be 18. So, its not helping at ALL.. if they wanted to support people they wouldn't put an age limit on it. Maybe 15 year olds have great videos and DESERVE to win, but no.
The annoying thing is, the three videos I've seen from Dan, Andrew and John.. they're all huge youtubers anyway and have no need to be moaning about the way things are. They're not the ones who have to try so hard to get views, because for them the views just naturally come in. I'm guessing my opinion is slightly unpopular but that's just how I feel.
The problem is, Youtube is behaving more like a TV channel than a website with a community nowadays. It's as though they are a TV channel with a few big-name celebrities (Ryan Higa, RWJ, Shane Dawson, etc) that they are trying to promote. They've basically turned into something that they shouldn't be. That's why people are annoyed. It's not because their lives revolve around how many views they get and what-not.
I'm not exactly sure if I agree that people winning next up type contests are exactly "up and comers".. I consider a lot of them well-established. and it's widening that gap between the up and comers and the well-established.
Dan, well done. You always seem to have a way to explain (clearly) both sides of the argument and support whichever is more logical. One thing to note, I would like to become a vlogger and I find people who have a lot of subs and views to be an inspiration. I think that some of their videos will help to guide younger/ inexperienced vloggers to have sort of a guid line to follow. To see what works and what doesn't. So if a big vlogger's videos get featured, not only will it help them, but the ne
I agree with the whole business thing you are talking about...and yes, they are giving people money to up the production values and stuff....but they would never give one of the "little people" this money. They give it to the people that HAVE a big audience already. What about the people that have less than 1000 subs? less than 500? Those are the people that don't get featured or supported or promoted anymore. Many of them could become big, YT only cares if you have ten's of thousands of subs
You're horribly condescending and I generally like you, but this video was just spitting in both of their faces, and talking about your own fears. wow, just wow, talk about missing the point.
I agree completely with everything you have said. As times change, as people change, as the community itself changes, Youtube WILL change. It has grown into bigger thing according to what the people have done with Youtube. So game over guys, game over.
I agree that it's fair enough to ask people for subscribers. But I must admit, I do prefer it when people say 'If you liked this video, like it!' or things like that, rather than giving a direct order. Maybe that's just a petty niggle that I have =3.
The videos complaining about YouTube in the first place kind of pissed me off, because they were from a couple of my favorite YouTubers who never make regular videos that they enjoy making anymore. And it just seemed like jealous bitching to me. I love those guys and they're some of my fav YouTubers and they're getting disgruntled and complaining about the way things are rather than making content that they like to make that we can actually "like" without being told to.
Dan, as much as I love your videos. I felt like you were just making fun of John and Andrew instead of actually talking about the 'community' as a whole. I'll have to agree with Andrew on the fact that a lot of small youtubers don't get as much attention like they used to. And besides, all these competitions like nextup always end up being won by 'big' youtubers cause they are constantly shown on the front page of youtube. However I do agree with you on the whole business prespective.
Dan, this video is the best recent example of why people respect you. That cold hard analytical skill, I didn't think ANYONE was going to bring up the things you mentioned in this crying fest about how things aren't the same as 'the good ol' days'.
I really like this, despite what some of the top rated comments say. I like that you take a different perspective and are aware that it may be controversial. And I personally agree with you on most of this, though before I mostly agreed with Andrew and John. This is really just a more critical look at the discussion as a whole.
abiquios? (more of a did i spell that right then a wtf) way to lose your oddience :P j/k the ending bit was awesome. was distracted by the advertisment demanding for brock to drill oil now, so i missed some of it. sounds like you are right on the money.
the problem with next up and stuff like that is that you have to vote and the people with more subscribers are more likely to win while the people with small audience will not get noticed that's the difference between something like YouTube next up and getting featured. Getting featured is something unique and i sure to get you noticed. it doesn't matter if you have a small audience or a big one
MAYBE if I didn't know Andrew or John at all I would agree with what you said about them but you shouldn't just assume you know who they are, what they are thinking, and what they are going through. I personally think it's out of line to assume something about someone and then use what you assume as an argument against them. Why base an argument of a maybe when it will most likely be taken offensively? Especially by saying it in such a condescending way and posting it for so many people to see.
I totally agree with Dan on one point : What the hell did you think you were signing up for ? YouTube is a buisness, they take decisions according to how much money it brings them. Am I saying it's right ? Of course not, but it's THEIR right, and it is totally legitimate. That's just how it is, and it's sad that it's this way, but hey, that's capitalism ! That's all our society ! Being big just means an opportunity to get bigger, and being small just means you can't get much bigger ! What's new?
Around the 3 minute mark, I started disagreeing with how Dan was addressing Andrew. From the beginning, it seemed off. Have to disagree with you, Dan.
You make a lot of valid points and I just posted a comment on Andrews channel that I now have different perspective on. I like both of your videos though and I see both sides and that is what I love about YouTube, because you can have all these different sides on all these different topics all in one place.
Youtube should make subscriber sections to separate up-and-comers and the established vloggers. That way the little guys can have their vids posted in a section and can compete with others of their class in views, comments, likes and stuff. Kind of like the weight categories boxers are put into. Yes? No?
You shouldn't assume someone's own fears. You can't just say you think someone's scared about their own future when there is no proof of that and you don't know them personally. You seem to be doing a lot of that in this video and that's not the point. You discussed John and Andrew specifically instead of discussing more of what they were talking about.
@bassmasta9845223 Yes, I know. And I don't think my comment would make sense if I didn't. "Assume" and "speculate" mean very similar things and I chose to use the word "assume". By speculating, Dan assumed something. If he didn't assume it he wouldn't and shouldn't have shared it. Sharing something that is only speculation is a lot like gossiping.
@idefine777 what do u mean 'you shouldnt assume' ?, of course he can Assume! , and you dont have any proof that hes right who knows maybe they are scared. he also specifically told that from what he interpreted from the video he thinks they are scared etc. nobody cares if you have a different opinion. and dont tell what someone can and cannot do over the internet! unless your deff he talks about what john and andrew were talking and made valid arguments against them!!!
@superstan26 I'm saying it's rude to assume something about someone that you have no proof of and then share it with the world. It's gossiping. Interpretating something from a video doesn't mean it's true. Maybe they are scared, but that's for them to share. I have no opinion about the fears of strangers, and no one should. I know he talks about what they were talking about and makes valid arguments, but I think he could have spent even more time on that instead of gossiping.
@idefine777 Did you even watch the whole video? =/
He only discussed John and Andrew in the first 2 minutes or so. For the other 7 minutes he's kind of playing the devil's advocate and trying to explain how youtube isn't just here to baby everyone the way they always have. They're just doing it differently. It's one mans opinion, or as I like to call it "Video response" to something he watched. Even if he wasn't entirely right, it's his view. Personally, I thought it was very well done.
@lkrienke Did YOU watch the whole video? I was referencing the end of it, when he suggested John and Andrew were scared of their futures. I respect and understand his views in the rest of the video and wasn't talking about those, so I don't know why you are. Opinions are fine. Gossiping is not.
Keyword being "seem". Even if someone thinking that something is most likely the case, they still know that they could always be wrong. He did not say concretely that they were concerned with their futures.
'Course I could be totally wrong and he IS assuming, but that's not the impression I ever get.
I liked to hear this topic from another view. Personally I'm annoyed by the fact that YouTube doesn't feature the "little guy" anymore, but what is really bothering me is that there's very few videos that I want to comment on. The community has stepped back. There's no point in commenting a video, where a person talks about something you really don't care about. I think that's why we all get frustrated, the point isn't there anymore.
Sweet Jesus I disagree with you so much. YouTube is shit now, I remember going on it when it first started years ago and watching stupid videos of people doing stupid stuff. They were extremely creative and were just two kids with a shitty camera. But that's what I loved about it, I felt like I could relate with them. Now it's all full production quality work that's not even entertaining. Also, asking for thumbs up or anything is stupid, and leaving 100 links in your description is also stupid.
I honestly can't believe you said they're trying to promote up and comers. Have you seen the homepage? The very first section is "most viewed", containing RWJ and TheFineBros videos. All NextUp is, is a popularity contest. I feel like you're saying all of this because you yourself is popular on Youtube, so why should you worry about all of us? Although, it does annoy me that Andrew and John were the ones making those videos, because they have plenty of subscribers themselves!
But they are not trying to make money like you are. That doesn't make them a better person than you, you are just coming from a different place than they are. All 3 of you are "big" enough that youtube not caring about the little people won't hurt any of you three, but since you use it for money, them not caring about the little people actively helps you, while it does not effect the other two other than make them see that it will be hard for people to be like them.
So... If I want to play baseball, play it well and be successful, I need to swallow my pride and take steroids? Thats what your saying Dan Brown. And I disagree heavily. YouTube has become sort of a corrupted company, like every other company. There was a reason why everyone here joined YouTube rather it was the orange sub button, the rating of 5 stars, rather because the You in YouTube meant we could be ourselves. Now though it seems YouTube has bowed out and became MoneyTube or "NotYourTube".
@SealFormulaMaster "Play the game" in this context is not the same as making it. "Playing the game" is the "dirty" tricks and "whoring yourself" for views.
@Nannirk Heres the problem. If you have to say "Please blank, blank and blank" in EVERY video thats almost whoring yourself out. Your videos should be something you enjoy doing. Something you enjoy doing so much that other people see that video(s) and will sub to you for that. Dan also discovered this during Dan3.0. Now though its almost to the point where if you want to be good at YouTubing you have to have alot of followers. I want to see the person having fun not doing videos for followers.
@SealFormulaMaster What problem? If you say "please blank, blank and blank" that IS playing the game. You don't have to tell me that's a bad thing. The point is that's what people mean when they say "play the game".
@Nannirk What I said was if you have to constantly say "Please sub rate and commit" to get subs rates and commits instead of letting the viewer do it naturally you are whoring yourself out. Playing the game means you buy stock in a company low sell it high make a profit. Or you play poker and get in the other players head with shades or hoodies or such. I would rather make a quality video doing something I like letting other people who enjoy the same thing do these things than ask for handouts.
@SealFormulaMaster In this context, playing the game is asking people to thumb up, favourite and comment for other reasons than that they like it. Just asking people in itself is borderline.
Playing the game is doing collabs only because it increases your views and subs.
Playing the game is doing videos you wouldn't normally do, videos you don't really like, just because a lot of people will watch it. That's playing the game, in this context.
I just found your channel and I'm really very impressed by what you've said. Hell I have dreams of making YouTube partner but a) Probably won't happen and b) If I have fun vlogging/editing/ being creative then that should be enough. I have a load of student loans which a partnership would help with but its about expressing yourself and if you get say 50 people watching one of your videos it's gotta be worth it. Hell if one person smiled or laughed I'd be happy. Fame is great creativity is better
It's also good to remember that change isn't impossible. If people want change, they can find ways to make it happen. A saying comes to mind, "be the change you want to see."
@skynanners112 I can't believe Shay liked this though, kind of made me lost a little respect for him. I meen he does play the game well but I feel like all he does is praise YouTube and only cares about his channel and his friends that are partners and collab together, he doesn't really seem to care about the rest of "small" YouTube. But then again I could be missing something and my point is wrong.
Great video! I found a very honest and constructive comment.
I post only things that interest me, or things that I like to share with friends, but also make the publicly available. I'm what you would call an ocassional blogger, without my face in it.
The thing that I mostly agreed on was the fact that you don't need to be doing things for the sake of Youtube-fame. If it's not you...that's okay. Just enjoy Youtube like any other person.
I really dont agree with you i realise that you didnt mean to be but i though you were incredibly patrionising towards the other two youtubers, who were not mearly worrying about themsevles i dont even know were you got that from. I think they were just trying to say more people on youtube should make videos because they love it not for a job
The money and support you mention in your video is going to youtubers with an already established fanbase, they may not be tubers at the top of the pole but they are definielty on it. Whilst they need a little nurtutring to grow and develop they're at a level where they can do that at least partially themselves. What I feel YT has abandoned is the unknowns, people who arent on the YT fame pole and cant get on it because THEY receive no help. This needs more than just money thrown at it.
not to be an ass but you kind of speak about this subject as if you are everybodys personal jesus. an all mighty voice. came off a little ignorant to me
Your explaination/ debate about everything except for the youtube next up thing was somewhat agreeable to me. The youtube next up program was supposed to "promote" the newer partners that have a fan base but might not have the skill or funds to improve their video making skills. However, the youtubers who won this opportunity was a biased win. Most of them who won had a very much larger fan base than the other competitors. Fan base based competitions are never fair...it's hard to choose.
Youtube should make a seperate "under 10,000" browse homepage, where it only displays nonpartnered creators with under 10,000 subs. I think this would allow the little guys to get exposure more while keeping the regular homepage for the high level partners and fluke viral videos(after the viral vids pass 100,000 views or so).
Wow, could not disagree more with Youtube supposedly doing a better job of promoting up-n-comers. The $1,000 each to 500 Youtubers was NOT to "up-and-coming" Youtubers. Margaret herself said it was given to the Youtubers with the biggest sub growth over the last year. Also, NextUp ended up being a "who has a bigger fanbase" for many of the entries. So, your argument that they're doing a better job is not a good argument to me. Promoting them on the front page was much better IMHO.
@sjiht71 Actually, it was both. Some of them already had a decent fan base, which of course already put them at an advantage. You are right though. Many of the people were also lucky enough to have other YT friends with big sub counts to "pimp" their video for votes as well.
@Smartass8504 There is also the YouTube Creator Institute which is preaty much a degree in Online video given by a film school chosen by YT. Those who were chosen all (except one) had under 1000 subcribers, and most had under 100 subcribers. From what I can see, what YT wants to do to with its personalites is to curate them; you must be chosen by YT to be sucessful. They do that because it's the most sustainable busness 4 video. (see TV)
Agree though that YT need to promote tallent on front pg.
@Joshlama We'll see how well the Creator Institute works once it is done. Just like with NextUp, I feel as if YT could have promoted them both a little more. I only knew of both of them because some Youtubers I am subbed to mentioned them in their videos, or said that they were entering the NextUp competition.
@MattG124 True, but by featuring their videos, they were pretty much promoting the Youtubers themselves. A lot of the Youtubers I now follow got a large percentage of their subs from one of their videos being featured on the front page a few years ago.
People who complain about youtube need to get there minds right. Youtube is a free site. A free site that has launched many careers. Youtube owes us nothing. If anything we should be thanking youtube for the opportunities given to us. Yes youtube has made changes over the years.. That happens , people change as well. Thats life.
@JumokeTV2 There's absolutely nothing wrong with "their minds". It's simply their (our) opinion. I don't think anyone is saying that Youtube "owes" them anything. Youtube does change, but that does not mean that people have no right to voice their frustrations/problems with those changes. Not all changes are for the better and the issues mentioned by Andrew and others are very valid points of criticism. The fact that Youtube is a free site is irrelevant to the discussion in my opinion.
@Smartass8504 I don't want to be one of those people that nag you into going to watch their video but I made a video response to Dans that I think you might like. I'd write it here but my opinion is too long AND pretty close to yours.
@Smartass8504 I would have to disagree with what you say about how nextup is being about "who has a bigger fanbase". Have you check the winners of the next up contest btw? i looked at all the winners and if what you said is correct, i'm blown away with the outcome of some of the winners b/c some of the winners dont have a large fan base. one barley has 300 subscribers. Do some research next time. Buy yes ur right about the 1k thing. that is true.
@princess92u I don't need to "do some research next time". Read my post clearly next time. I actually said it was about subs for many of the winners, not for all. I'm well aware that some of the winners had few subs. I'm also aware that some of the winners with less subs also had friends with many subs who pimped their videos, and that many of the winners with tons of subs were wons who were friends with one another and pimped each others videos constantly for the contest.
@Smartass8504 No, this isn't true. NextUp picked people with a variety of subscriber and view counts, several who have less than 1,000 subs! I wrote about it at reelseo dot com in case you're interested in seeing the NextUp winner stats side-by-side.
As someone who is currently in the process of starting up a new channel/show (something that isn't cheap), I hope and pray you are right about YT supporting the "up and comers". Don't get me wrong, I'm making these videos to advance my professional career outside of YT (I'm studying to be a journalist, sports specifically), but if I become a partner and it works out then so be it. I'm starting the show because I love sports and love talking about them, and want people to hear my opinion.
RWJ, Sxephil and others have found a new way to milk more money, they review vids then link to them in the description, the trick is that the link is to their own personal website where they have the vid embedded, increasing ad revenue. The high level YT partners are getting greedier every month, have you seen the phat houses their buying when they vlog from them?
being told to subscribe, leave a comment, thumbs up, sends to fav no longer phase me. What bugs me it now we got alot of More popular youtubers asking you to go to their personal website or face book and twitter.its really annoying. who really wants to know what Sxephil is tweeting or friend him on facebook. I come to youtube and only youtube to watch vidoes.
Youtube should make a seperate "under 10,000" browse homepage, where it only displays creators with under 10,000 subs. I think this would allow the little guys to get exposure more.
I specifically hate when people tell me to thumbs up the video because I like chocolate.. or looking at a title that says HOT GIRLS PLAYING IN POOL! that has nothing to do with the video, in which they do it just so they can get views. To these people it has nothing to do with content people like, it just has to do with them getting views and making a paycheck in which they could care less about their viewers. They don't care about community or anyone that watches the videos they just want fame
And no there is no creative/fun way to tell people, to like, favourite and comment on the video. Sure your ending was a joke there but to add the song on the end just makes you look un-classy and a partner who is money hungry cause thats what liking, favouring and commenting does is increase your pay check from YouTube, which I am sure Andrew was referring to but didn't directly say it :)
And at the end of your video... You mention about how if they don't make it on YouTube their skills/assets will be recognized out in other things other than YouTube... Wow do you honestly think people join YouTube to make videos to make money and make it like a career like a lot of people have? Thats straight pathetic if you ask me, like Andrew said, you should make videos because you enjoy doing it, not on the intention of trying to get famous.
@HollywoodDrift All of this talk about "intent" and "the little guy" and so forth is irrelevant to the point. If you are annoyed by something either change it yourself or do not support it. You don't get magic internet points for being the hippest anti-establishment guy here. Do people join YouTube to make money? Hell yes they do! Does that make their content evil or unworthy? Well...sure...if you think so. I choose to disagree.
@HollywoodDrift If they were truly "mak[ing] videos because [they] enjoy doing it, not with the intention of trying to get famous," why did they make those complaint videos. With the mindset that you are suggesting, why would they be concerned about being featured on the front page? Is it really because they want to be able to reach out and get the attention of people because they're message is so important? I say let the viewer decide what is important..let the viewer seek the youtuber.
@mechfeeney Yes let the viewer seek the YouTuber... But how do they find a new YouTuber is they are not featured like the way it used to be before all these now big YouTubers had made it... Think about it. Some people make videos to seek fame and be noticed now by big companies to be compensated for making videos, while others legitley make it for entertainment for others and are proud of their content.
Also about the thumbs up, and commenting and favouring videos thing is ANNOYING. Why do people have to say it in EVERY VIDEO. Who cares if they do it "tastefully", like Andrew said, people should like videos if they like them, comment if they want to comment and discuss the video and favourite the videos if they actually wanna go back and watch the video over and over again, not cause someone told them to. IT IS ANNOYING DO YOU NOT GET IT?
I thought YouTube was a fun interactive thing, not treated like a "business". Lame. YouTube is giving money to PARTNERS not people who have been recognized yet. Sure their new stuff will be better in HD but they are already partners who already are getting featured. Not the little guys who make awesome videos but only have less than 100 subscribers.
I would have to disagree about swallowing one's pride and just playing the game. The whole idea behind this debate is to ultimately do what you love to do (making videos) without worrying about fame or fortune. The attention brought to the subject is not a concern about the growth of the video-making community but, instead, a concern of the quality of the videos being made. Yes, things can be done in a subtle and creative fashion, but the intent behind the video is what matters most in the end
@Nannirk True but, still, even IF you want to play the game, that shouldn't be the case. I would hope people would do this because they genuinely enjoy it. Not because it's a quick and easy way to stardom. If you can call it that.
@imontheinterwebguys You're missing the point. You can't play the game, and not do these things. Because then you're not playing the game. You can't talk about how you're playing baseball and then say you don't ever want to touch a baseball.
@imontheinterwebguys In the video Dan does say if you want youtube to be your job play the game. It's what works for youtube at this point and cannot be avoided if you want to be on the top 10 subscribed. I do agree though that this should not be the case. Sooo looks like we have to point fingers at youtube. although it's not their fault. it's what the community formed as a way to get subscribers and views
God... The button isn't orange anymore..VIDEO RENDERED INVALID.
RogerShadows 2 days ago
STOP SOPA !!!
xxxATIROxxx 1 month ago
You purposely sat in front of the same Rock Band drumset ;)
QuietQuakePro 2 months ago
Haha love his dry sense of humor with the "like favorite comment and subscribe, and then create a second account and repeat" :) LOL
TheLeeMD 5 months ago
Personally I like when people say like for terrible miskake or like for awkwardness or like for Harry Potter.
hogwartsismyhoodgurl 6 months ago
8:33 "post multiple comments" and plus you have ads during most of you videos. well we all know where you stand don't we.
iamasecretnerd 6 months ago
@iamasecretnerd he was joking
rainbowmonochrome 6 months ago
Meh. You're just rambling about god knows what and not talking about the topic.
Why are "communism" and "handsome" in the tags? Dear god.
iamasecretnerd 6 months ago
i lol so hard at the ending
this is why i love your channel
annabananachen15 7 months ago
i didn't at all like this video.. Youtube ISN'T helping up and coming youtubers. For next up you need votes and only the big youtubers will get votes AND you have to be 18. So, its not helping at ALL.. if they wanted to support people they wouldn't put an age limit on it. Maybe 15 year olds have great videos and DESERVE to win, but no.
nikkynrox 7 months ago 3
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tyguy0256 7 months ago
The annoying thing is, the three videos I've seen from Dan, Andrew and John.. they're all huge youtubers anyway and have no need to be moaning about the way things are. They're not the ones who have to try so hard to get views, because for them the views just naturally come in. I'm guessing my opinion is slightly unpopular but that's just how I feel.
Rrosie13 7 months ago
@Rrosie13 Dan is moaning about their moaning about how things are. Difference.
Samail666 7 months ago
Dan I have just made my first you tube vid how can u become well known????
fire344100 7 months ago
This is very interesting to me, as I've only just started posting videos regularly. I certainly hope the community isn't dying!
neafcy 8 months ago
It's funny 'cause he's one of them.
TheUltraDude 8 months ago
disagreed!
monstercameron 8 months ago
That's why I like you, Dan Brown!
sugarxheaven 8 months ago
The problem is, Youtube is behaving more like a TV channel than a website with a community nowadays. It's as though they are a TV channel with a few big-name celebrities (Ryan Higa, RWJ, Shane Dawson, etc) that they are trying to promote. They've basically turned into something that they shouldn't be. That's why people are annoyed. It's not because their lives revolve around how many views they get and what-not.
TheAerochick13 8 months ago 2
I'm not exactly sure if I agree that people winning next up type contests are exactly "up and comers".. I consider a lot of them well-established. and it's widening that gap between the up and comers and the well-established.
blackandblue10 8 months ago
Sorry, but th fact that both you and Andrew have a rockband drumset to your right and a flatscreen to your left is annoying.
00duke1 8 months ago
dan. I hate to make this off topic..
did you remember your d3.0 time capsule back in san francisco?
Hawkish3131 8 months ago 4
Dan, well done. You always seem to have a way to explain (clearly) both sides of the argument and support whichever is more logical. One thing to note, I would like to become a vlogger and I find people who have a lot of subs and views to be an inspiration. I think that some of their videos will help to guide younger/ inexperienced vloggers to have sort of a guid line to follow. To see what works and what doesn't. So if a big vlogger's videos get featured, not only will it help them, but the ne
Penteract1 8 months ago 2
You sound like a nasal-y horse and your motives are self-righteous and greedy.
Wait, you have 300,000 subscribers? What...? You ARE what's wrong with this website, simply.
LeftyHandedGuns 8 months ago
Massive psychological projection in this video
xOEHLALA 8 months ago
:D I like how you mimicked andrew's background setup, with the rockband drums
FungusyHam 8 months ago
You all need to stop bitching. Everyone. This is Youtube. A business.
ohitsEllen 9 months ago
I agree with the whole business thing you are talking about...and yes, they are giving people money to up the production values and stuff....but they would never give one of the "little people" this money. They give it to the people that HAVE a big audience already. What about the people that have less than 1000 subs? less than 500? Those are the people that don't get featured or supported or promoted anymore. Many of them could become big, YT only cares if you have ten's of thousands of subs
DirBlair 9 months ago
how about i click the white button instead
Larainge 9 months ago
You're horribly condescending and I generally like you, but this video was just spitting in both of their faces, and talking about your own fears. wow, just wow, talk about missing the point.
meachy13 9 months ago 6
I mean..... With you Dan....
allarc91 9 months ago
I concur!
allarc91 9 months ago
Trolololololololololo.
Umishiru 9 months ago
this guy sounds and kind of looks like a creepy scientist/ future pedophile.
dive4u 9 months ago 3
the difference between you and john and andrew is that i am still subscribed to them...
hayleesmileface 9 months ago 7
This is such a tired subject. Goddamn.
XxXTaylorLaineXxX 9 months ago
i dont tell people to subscrube to me, i remiind them that they can :)
i dont see subs as numbers i see them as "hey dude 17 people are kinda watching my videos that i enjoy making."
sockostealshearts 9 months ago
I agree completely with everything you have said. As times change, as people change, as the community itself changes, Youtube WILL change. It has grown into bigger thing according to what the people have done with Youtube. So game over guys, game over.
maddymooluvesu 9 months ago
I agree that it's fair enough to ask people for subscribers. But I must admit, I do prefer it when people say 'If you liked this video, like it!' or things like that, rather than giving a direct order. Maybe that's just a petty niggle that I have =3.
Amarox3000 9 months ago
capitalistic bastards. i hate business.
Tinewashere 9 months ago 2
The videos complaining about YouTube in the first place kind of pissed me off, because they were from a couple of my favorite YouTubers who never make regular videos that they enjoy making anymore. And it just seemed like jealous bitching to me. I love those guys and they're some of my fav YouTubers and they're getting disgruntled and complaining about the way things are rather than making content that they like to make that we can actually "like" without being told to.
alexyuzwa 9 months ago 2
This is coming from a guy who promotes something at the end of each video.
nintendolad 9 months ago 3
Wicked insincere. You don't know them and you don't even know yourself. Quick trying to be so succinct. It's lame.
1bwash 9 months ago
Dan, as much as I love your videos. I felt like you were just making fun of John and Andrew instead of actually talking about the 'community' as a whole. I'll have to agree with Andrew on the fact that a lot of small youtubers don't get as much attention like they used to. And besides, all these competitions like nextup always end up being won by 'big' youtubers cause they are constantly shown on the front page of youtube. However I do agree with you on the whole business prespective.
uropenbook 9 months ago 12
AMEN!
punkhare101 9 months ago
Dan, this video is the best recent example of why people respect you. That cold hard analytical skill, I didn't think ANYONE was going to bring up the things you mentioned in this crying fest about how things aren't the same as 'the good ol' days'.
THEGrumpyTed 9 months ago
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dude, you're awesome!
thetruespazo 9 months ago
dude, you're awesome!
thetruespazo 9 months ago
I really like this, despite what some of the top rated comments say. I like that you take a different perspective and are aware that it may be controversial. And I personally agree with you on most of this, though before I mostly agreed with Andrew and John. This is really just a more critical look at the discussion as a whole.
saravog 9 months ago 2
abiquios? (more of a did i spell that right then a wtf) way to lose your oddience :P j/k the ending bit was awesome. was distracted by the advertisment demanding for brock to drill oil now, so i missed some of it. sounds like you are right on the money.
deerwrecked 9 months ago
the problem with next up and stuff like that is that you have to vote and the people with more subscribers are more likely to win while the people with small audience will not get noticed that's the difference between something like YouTube next up and getting featured. Getting featured is something unique and i sure to get you noticed. it doesn't matter if you have a small audience or a big one
realesethesteam 9 months ago 44
People don't realize that the reason they arn't getting noticed, maybe, just maybe, your content sucks and no one really likes it
2sonfon 9 months ago
I love Andrew and John and I agree with everything that they said. YouTube amkes it hard for new people to get noticed.
AddictedToOwls 9 months ago
lol - the ending (fake account) xD
7711jimmy 9 months ago
up and coming tubers? like potatoes?
i always thought the button was yellow, not orange :P
ALLYgator7190 9 months ago
LOL at the end. Don't worry Dan, I liked it from my one and only non fake account. That way you know it means something.
brendonian 9 months ago 3
MAYBE if I didn't know Andrew or John at all I would agree with what you said about them but you shouldn't just assume you know who they are, what they are thinking, and what they are going through. I personally think it's out of line to assume something about someone and then use what you assume as an argument against them. Why base an argument of a maybe when it will most likely be taken offensively? Especially by saying it in such a condescending way and posting it for so many people to see.
Christofuforyou 9 months ago
I totally agree with Dan on one point : What the hell did you think you were signing up for ? YouTube is a buisness, they take decisions according to how much money it brings them. Am I saying it's right ? Of course not, but it's THEIR right, and it is totally legitimate. That's just how it is, and it's sad that it's this way, but hey, that's capitalism ! That's all our society ! Being big just means an opportunity to get bigger, and being small just means you can't get much bigger ! What's new?
Jellyhag02 9 months ago 3
I wonder if he's "siding" with YouTube because he benefits from the current system/it doesn't affect him negatively.
mskillzeee 9 months ago
Around the 3 minute mark, I started disagreeing with how Dan was addressing Andrew. From the beginning, it seemed off. Have to disagree with you, Dan.
mskillzeee 9 months ago
you need a mask :-/
bourakki 9 months ago
You're from Connecticut! I should have been a frickin' CIA agent!
11jee11 9 months ago
Are you purposely doing a Katherine Hepburn voice or are you both from the same part of the U.S.?
11jee11 9 months ago
It's weird seeing so many of the vloggers that I watch on youtube involved in this discussion. It's incredible. Go John and Andrew :D
AmberAlene 9 months ago
500th video!!
cleoswaldos 9 months ago
You make a lot of valid points and I just posted a comment on Andrews channel that I now have different perspective on. I like both of your videos though and I see both sides and that is what I love about YouTube, because you can have all these different sides on all these different topics all in one place.
YukiiTaisho 9 months ago
7:14 - 7:30 Great advice for most people in a career crisis (pre or midlife)
SMFortissimo 9 months ago
Youtube should make subscriber sections to separate up-and-comers and the established vloggers. That way the little guys can have their vids posted in a section and can compete with others of their class in views, comments, likes and stuff. Kind of like the weight categories boxers are put into. Yes? No?
Gameboob 9 months ago 3
You shouldn't assume someone's own fears. You can't just say you think someone's scared about their own future when there is no proof of that and you don't know them personally. You seem to be doing a lot of that in this video and that's not the point. You discussed John and Andrew specifically instead of discussing more of what they were talking about.
idefine777 9 months ago 66
@idefine777 He said he was speculating.
bassmasta9845223 9 months ago
@bassmasta9845223 Yes, I know. And I don't think my comment would make sense if I didn't. "Assume" and "speculate" mean very similar things and I chose to use the word "assume". By speculating, Dan assumed something. If he didn't assume it he wouldn't and shouldn't have shared it. Sharing something that is only speculation is a lot like gossiping.
idefine777 9 months ago
@idefine777 what do u mean 'you shouldnt assume' ?, of course he can Assume! , and you dont have any proof that hes right who knows maybe they are scared. he also specifically told that from what he interpreted from the video he thinks they are scared etc. nobody cares if you have a different opinion. and dont tell what someone can and cannot do over the internet! unless your deff he talks about what john and andrew were talking and made valid arguments against them!!!
superstan26 9 months ago
@superstan26 I'm saying it's rude to assume something about someone that you have no proof of and then share it with the world. It's gossiping. Interpretating something from a video doesn't mean it's true. Maybe they are scared, but that's for them to share. I have no opinion about the fears of strangers, and no one should. I know he talks about what they were talking about and makes valid arguments, but I think he could have spent even more time on that instead of gossiping.
idefine777 9 months ago
@idefine777 Did you even watch the whole video? =/
He only discussed John and Andrew in the first 2 minutes or so. For the other 7 minutes he's kind of playing the devil's advocate and trying to explain how youtube isn't just here to baby everyone the way they always have. They're just doing it differently. It's one mans opinion, or as I like to call it "Video response" to something he watched. Even if he wasn't entirely right, it's his view. Personally, I thought it was very well done.
lkrienke 9 months ago
@lkrienke Did YOU watch the whole video? I was referencing the end of it, when he suggested John and Andrew were scared of their futures. I respect and understand his views in the rest of the video and wasn't talking about those, so I don't know why you are. Opinions are fine. Gossiping is not.
idefine777 9 months ago
@idefine777 "You seem to me to be worried [...]"
Keyword being "seem". Even if someone thinking that something is most likely the case, they still know that they could always be wrong. He did not say concretely that they were concerned with their futures.
'Course I could be totally wrong and he IS assuming, but that's not the impression I ever get.
Samail666 7 months ago
Soooo.... pretty much what your sayings is that this is capitalism, swallow. Fuck that! Fight for your right to paaaaaaaarrrrtttttyyyyy!
Plus who the fuck is ok with manufacturing consent, aka shitty vlogs....
tunesoutmyear 9 months ago
i hate softcutting but you make sense
KhazModan 9 months ago
I don't care ....
rozzer10 9 months ago
i love the way you talk!!
LadyMe4ever 9 months ago
I liked to hear this topic from another view. Personally I'm annoyed by the fact that YouTube doesn't feature the "little guy" anymore, but what is really bothering me is that there's very few videos that I want to comment on. The community has stepped back. There's no point in commenting a video, where a person talks about something you really don't care about. I think that's why we all get frustrated, the point isn't there anymore.
MultiJulieL 9 months ago
I had the view of Andrew and John a few years back.
I agree with your thoughts much more now.
kyandeiai 9 months ago
Very good, your wisdom is beyond your years. I am impressed. keep it up.
gatekpr3 9 months ago
Has anybody else noticed that Dan and Andrew both had a Rockband drum set behind them in both of their videos? Haha
OneBeastlyPanda 9 months ago
Amen. :)
TheWrongLefty 9 months ago
Oh my god, the outro <3
unless68 9 months ago
Sweet Jesus I disagree with you so much. YouTube is shit now, I remember going on it when it first started years ago and watching stupid videos of people doing stupid stuff. They were extremely creative and were just two kids with a shitty camera. But that's what I loved about it, I felt like I could relate with them. Now it's all full production quality work that's not even entertaining. Also, asking for thumbs up or anything is stupid, and leaving 100 links in your description is also stupid.
CaptainSief 9 months ago
Shay sent me here..
ariezj 9 months ago
I think the real problem is, Why are people trying to get famous on Youtube?
Youtube has, and still is, something where people post videos for fun online and if you get a lot of hits, good for you.
Now people seemed to have forgotten this and are actively trying to get famous via YT, and when they can't they blame the format YT has taken.
Tommy9834 9 months ago
I honestly can't believe you said they're trying to promote up and comers. Have you seen the homepage? The very first section is "most viewed", containing RWJ and TheFineBros videos. All NextUp is, is a popularity contest. I feel like you're saying all of this because you yourself is popular on Youtube, so why should you worry about all of us? Although, it does annoy me that Andrew and John were the ones making those videos, because they have plenty of subscribers themselves!
FluffyKittenMEOW 9 months ago
did anybody else notice that dan sat in front of his rock band drums and in an open letter to youtube andrew is sitting in front of his drums?
ilovepie61 9 months ago
But they are not trying to make money like you are. That doesn't make them a better person than you, you are just coming from a different place than they are. All 3 of you are "big" enough that youtube not caring about the little people won't hurt any of you three, but since you use it for money, them not caring about the little people actively helps you, while it does not effect the other two other than make them see that it will be hard for people to be like them.
jag519 9 months ago
lol dan, i love you for that end part @ 8:34 humor at its best.
THEKINGKINNEY 9 months ago
Hahahahahaha. that last part made me lol. Great, Just great.
thenofxer 9 months ago
Did you do the rockband drum thing on purpose?
thenofxer 9 months ago
i don't like semi-famous you-tubers who seem to suck up to youtube becuase of their business position (Youtube partnership program)
360GameBox 9 months ago 3
like and comment tastefully :-)
peron75 9 months ago
thumbs up if shaytards brought you here
AerialBack 9 months ago 3
I think you sound like Guene Levie
mishtastic 9 months ago
Your voice is a cross between Katherine Hepburn and Jimmy Stewart.
11jee11 9 months ago
So... If I want to play baseball, play it well and be successful, I need to swallow my pride and take steroids? Thats what your saying Dan Brown. And I disagree heavily. YouTube has become sort of a corrupted company, like every other company. There was a reason why everyone here joined YouTube rather it was the orange sub button, the rating of 5 stars, rather because the You in YouTube meant we could be ourselves. Now though it seems YouTube has bowed out and became MoneyTube or "NotYourTube".
SealFormulaMaster 9 months ago 3
@SealFormulaMaster "Play the game" in this context is not the same as making it. "Playing the game" is the "dirty" tricks and "whoring yourself" for views.
Nannirk 9 months ago
@Nannirk Heres the problem. If you have to say "Please blank, blank and blank" in EVERY video thats almost whoring yourself out. Your videos should be something you enjoy doing. Something you enjoy doing so much that other people see that video(s) and will sub to you for that. Dan also discovered this during Dan3.0. Now though its almost to the point where if you want to be good at YouTubing you have to have alot of followers. I want to see the person having fun not doing videos for followers.
SealFormulaMaster 9 months ago
@SealFormulaMaster What problem? If you say "please blank, blank and blank" that IS playing the game. You don't have to tell me that's a bad thing. The point is that's what people mean when they say "play the game".
Nannirk 9 months ago
@Nannirk What I said was if you have to constantly say "Please sub rate and commit" to get subs rates and commits instead of letting the viewer do it naturally you are whoring yourself out. Playing the game means you buy stock in a company low sell it high make a profit. Or you play poker and get in the other players head with shades or hoodies or such. I would rather make a quality video doing something I like letting other people who enjoy the same thing do these things than ask for handouts.
SealFormulaMaster 9 months ago
@SealFormulaMaster In this context, playing the game is asking people to thumb up, favourite and comment for other reasons than that they like it. Just asking people in itself is borderline.
Playing the game is doing collabs only because it increases your views and subs.
Playing the game is doing videos you wouldn't normally do, videos you don't really like, just because a lot of people will watch it. That's playing the game, in this context.
Nannirk 9 months ago
I just found your channel and I'm really very impressed by what you've said. Hell I have dreams of making YouTube partner but a) Probably won't happen and b) If I have fun vlogging/editing/ being creative then that should be enough. I have a load of student loans which a partnership would help with but its about expressing yourself and if you get say 50 people watching one of your videos it's gotta be worth it. Hell if one person smiled or laughed I'd be happy. Fame is great creativity is better
Cheesusgirl 9 months ago
You talk nonsense my friend.
Senneeeuh 9 months ago
I like a lot of what you said in the second half of the video. But honestly, I could not disagree more with the first half.
MannDexx 9 months ago
Good points here. And encouraging ending. Thanks.
It's also good to remember that change isn't impossible. If people want change, they can find ways to make it happen. A saying comes to mind, "be the change you want to see."
davidseitzjr 9 months ago
Thumbs up if Shaytards sent you here! XD
skynanners112 9 months ago 3
@skynanners112 I can't believe Shay liked this though, kind of made me lost a little respect for him. I meen he does play the game well but I feel like all he does is praise YouTube and only cares about his channel and his friends that are partners and collab together, he doesn't really seem to care about the rest of "small" YouTube. But then again I could be missing something and my point is wrong.
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
Great video! I found a very honest and constructive comment.
I post only things that interest me, or things that I like to share with friends, but also make the publicly available. I'm what you would call an ocassional blogger, without my face in it.
The thing that I mostly agreed on was the fact that you don't need to be doing things for the sake of Youtube-fame. If it's not you...that's okay. Just enjoy Youtube like any other person.
SukhdevZomer 9 months ago
I really dont agree with you i realise that you didnt mean to be but i though you were incredibly patrionising towards the other two youtubers, who were not mearly worrying about themsevles i dont even know were you got that from. I think they were just trying to say more people on youtube should make videos because they love it not for a job
myponyroks 9 months ago
The money and support you mention in your video is going to youtubers with an already established fanbase, they may not be tubers at the top of the pole but they are definielty on it. Whilst they need a little nurtutring to grow and develop they're at a level where they can do that at least partially themselves. What I feel YT has abandoned is the unknowns, people who arent on the YT fame pole and cant get on it because THEY receive no help. This needs more than just money thrown at it.
Ciaran135 9 months ago
who cares youtube can do whatever they bloody want as long as it remains free to us
TheMimi90s 9 months ago
Dan, why you have sort of the same bakground as Andrew?
zitroooz 9 months ago
@zitroooz Lol maybe he planned it :O
mikemike8000 9 months ago
i disagree and agree to this video and dont want to bother explaining so im just gonna say this:
tits or gtfo
Bullettear666 9 months ago 4
not to be an ass but you kind of speak about this subject as if you are everybodys personal jesus. an all mighty voice. came off a little ignorant to me
rksingh91 9 months ago 7
@rksingh91 Dan Brown, ignorant? Noooooo.
icanhassarcasm.
paintedd 9 months ago
Your explaination/ debate about everything except for the youtube next up thing was somewhat agreeable to me. The youtube next up program was supposed to "promote" the newer partners that have a fan base but might not have the skill or funds to improve their video making skills. However, the youtubers who won this opportunity was a biased win. Most of them who won had a very much larger fan base than the other competitors. Fan base based competitions are never fair...it's hard to choose.
Twefrence 9 months ago
switch YOU in youtube to MYPRIZE then click enter
20victoriawood20 9 months ago
Youtube should make a seperate "under 10,000" browse homepage, where it only displays nonpartnered creators with under 10,000 subs. I think this would allow the little guys to get exposure more while keeping the regular homepage for the high level partners and fluke viral videos(after the viral vids pass 100,000 views or so).
SupaT1969 9 months ago 6
@SupaT1969 but would anyone go there?
sannycool 9 months ago
Haven't seen Dan since 3.0 left a bad taste in my mouth...
But I'm glad to see that he's back to making good videos!
IzzyAleman 9 months ago
Wow, could not disagree more with Youtube supposedly doing a better job of promoting up-n-comers. The $1,000 each to 500 Youtubers was NOT to "up-and-coming" Youtubers. Margaret herself said it was given to the Youtubers with the biggest sub growth over the last year. Also, NextUp ended up being a "who has a bigger fanbase" for many of the entries. So, your argument that they're doing a better job is not a good argument to me. Promoting them on the front page was much better IMHO.
Smartass8504 9 months ago 93
@Smartass8504 NextUp was f up cos some big youtubers went promoting some ppl . not cos off there own fan base
sjiht71 9 months ago
@sjiht71 Actually, it was both. Some of them already had a decent fan base, which of course already put them at an advantage. You are right though. Many of the people were also lucky enough to have other YT friends with big sub counts to "pimp" their video for votes as well.
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 There is also the YouTube Creator Institute which is preaty much a degree in Online video given by a film school chosen by YT. Those who were chosen all (except one) had under 1000 subcribers, and most had under 100 subcribers. From what I can see, what YT wants to do to with its personalites is to curate them; you must be chosen by YT to be sucessful. They do that because it's the most sustainable busness 4 video. (see TV)
Agree though that YT need to promote tallent on front pg.
Joshlama 9 months ago
@Joshlama We'll see how well the Creator Institute works once it is done. Just like with NextUp, I feel as if YT could have promoted them both a little more. I only knew of both of them because some Youtubers I am subbed to mentioned them in their videos, or said that they were entering the NextUp competition.
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 they rarely featured "youtubers" if you remember it was regularly just "cool" videos
MattG124 9 months ago
@MattG124 True, but by featuring their videos, they were pretty much promoting the Youtubers themselves. A lot of the Youtubers I now follow got a large percentage of their subs from one of their videos being featured on the front page a few years ago.
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@MattG124 Zomg its MattG ;D I love you <3
ClaireMangoify 9 months ago
People who complain about youtube need to get there minds right. Youtube is a free site. A free site that has launched many careers. Youtube owes us nothing. If anything we should be thanking youtube for the opportunities given to us. Yes youtube has made changes over the years.. That happens , people change as well. Thats life.
JumokeTV2 9 months ago
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@JumokeTV2 Yes, but the problem is that most people are too stupid to realize that.
coolwhipspecial 9 months ago
@JumokeTV2 There's absolutely nothing wrong with "their minds". It's simply their (our) opinion. I don't think anyone is saying that Youtube "owes" them anything. Youtube does change, but that does not mean that people have no right to voice their frustrations/problems with those changes. Not all changes are for the better and the issues mentioned by Andrew and others are very valid points of criticism. The fact that Youtube is a free site is irrelevant to the discussion in my opinion.
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 I don't want to be one of those people that nag you into going to watch their video but I made a video response to Dans that I think you might like. I'd write it here but my opinion is too long AND pretty close to yours.
lifeofageek 9 months ago
@lifeofageek Hey, no problem. I'll check out your video :).
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 I would have to disagree with what you say about how nextup is being about "who has a bigger fanbase". Have you check the winners of the next up contest btw? i looked at all the winners and if what you said is correct, i'm blown away with the outcome of some of the winners b/c some of the winners dont have a large fan base. one barley has 300 subscribers. Do some research next time. Buy yes ur right about the 1k thing. that is true.
princess92u 9 months ago
@princess92u I don't need to "do some research next time". Read my post clearly next time. I actually said it was about subs for many of the winners, not for all. I'm well aware that some of the winners had few subs. I'm also aware that some of the winners with less subs also had friends with many subs who pimped their videos, and that many of the winners with tons of subs were wons who were friends with one another and pimped each others videos constantly for the contest.
Smartass8504 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 No, this isn't true. NextUp picked people with a variety of subscriber and view counts, several who have less than 1,000 subs! I wrote about it at reelseo dot com in case you're interested in seeing the NextUp winner stats side-by-side.
godrox 9 months ago
@Smartass8504 Everything you said is exactly what I was thinking while watching this. You rock.
Christofuforyou 9 months ago
As someone who is currently in the process of starting up a new channel/show (something that isn't cheap), I hope and pray you are right about YT supporting the "up and comers". Don't get me wrong, I'm making these videos to advance my professional career outside of YT (I'm studying to be a journalist, sports specifically), but if I become a partner and it works out then so be it. I'm starting the show because I love sports and love talking about them, and want people to hear my opinion.
ForeverLSU13 9 months ago
Terabrite sent me :)
mnmmoose14 9 months ago 2
RWJ, Sxephil and others have found a new way to milk more money, they review vids then link to them in the description, the trick is that the link is to their own personal website where they have the vid embedded, increasing ad revenue. The high level YT partners are getting greedier every month, have you seen the phat houses their buying when they vlog from them?
SupaT1969 9 months ago
being told to subscribe, leave a comment, thumbs up, sends to fav no longer phase me. What bugs me it now we got alot of More popular youtubers asking you to go to their personal website or face book and twitter.its really annoying. who really wants to know what Sxephil is tweeting or friend him on facebook. I come to youtube and only youtube to watch vidoes.
poisonsting8404 9 months ago
Youtube should make a seperate "under 10,000" browse homepage, where it only displays creators with under 10,000 subs. I think this would allow the little guys to get exposure more.
SupaT1969 9 months ago 3
I specifically hate when people tell me to thumbs up the video because I like chocolate.. or looking at a title that says HOT GIRLS PLAYING IN POOL! that has nothing to do with the video, in which they do it just so they can get views. To these people it has nothing to do with content people like, it just has to do with them getting views and making a paycheck in which they could care less about their viewers. They don't care about community or anyone that watches the videos they just want fame
Ncik77 9 months ago
And no there is no creative/fun way to tell people, to like, favourite and comment on the video. Sure your ending was a joke there but to add the song on the end just makes you look un-classy and a partner who is money hungry cause thats what liking, favouring and commenting does is increase your pay check from YouTube, which I am sure Andrew was referring to but didn't directly say it :)
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
And at the end of your video... You mention about how if they don't make it on YouTube their skills/assets will be recognized out in other things other than YouTube... Wow do you honestly think people join YouTube to make videos to make money and make it like a career like a lot of people have? Thats straight pathetic if you ask me, like Andrew said, you should make videos because you enjoy doing it, not on the intention of trying to get famous.
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
@HollywoodDrift All of this talk about "intent" and "the little guy" and so forth is irrelevant to the point. If you are annoyed by something either change it yourself or do not support it. You don't get magic internet points for being the hippest anti-establishment guy here. Do people join YouTube to make money? Hell yes they do! Does that make their content evil or unworthy? Well...sure...if you think so. I choose to disagree.
SPLEclipse 9 months ago
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mechfeeney 9 months ago
@HollywoodDrift If they were truly "mak[ing] videos because [they] enjoy doing it, not with the intention of trying to get famous," why did they make those complaint videos. With the mindset that you are suggesting, why would they be concerned about being featured on the front page? Is it really because they want to be able to reach out and get the attention of people because they're message is so important? I say let the viewer decide what is important..let the viewer seek the youtuber.
mechfeeney 9 months ago
@mechfeeney Yes let the viewer seek the YouTuber... But how do they find a new YouTuber is they are not featured like the way it used to be before all these now big YouTubers had made it... Think about it. Some people make videos to seek fame and be noticed now by big companies to be compensated for making videos, while others legitley make it for entertainment for others and are proud of their content.
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
100% AGREED! You are the man.
TeraBrite 9 months ago
Also about the thumbs up, and commenting and favouring videos thing is ANNOYING. Why do people have to say it in EVERY VIDEO. Who cares if they do it "tastefully", like Andrew said, people should like videos if they like them, comment if they want to comment and discuss the video and favourite the videos if they actually wanna go back and watch the video over and over again, not cause someone told them to. IT IS ANNOYING DO YOU NOT GET IT?
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
I thought YouTube was a fun interactive thing, not treated like a "business". Lame. YouTube is giving money to PARTNERS not people who have been recognized yet. Sure their new stuff will be better in HD but they are already partners who already are getting featured. Not the little guys who make awesome videos but only have less than 100 subscribers.
HollywoodDrift 9 months ago
YOU %^& ROCK. Nice video!
Sedoreable 9 months ago
to be honest this is my first video watched by him and didnt know what alot of the words meant lol but i couldnt stop watching. subscribed :)
iceman733773 9 months ago
What happened to "The Doo/ba|laede/doo"???
Sweethgc 9 months ago
I think you voiced your opinion very articulately.
Shemarriedacloud 9 months ago
I would have to disagree about swallowing one's pride and just playing the game. The whole idea behind this debate is to ultimately do what you love to do (making videos) without worrying about fame or fortune. The attention brought to the subject is not a concern about the growth of the video-making community but, instead, a concern of the quality of the videos being made. Yes, things can be done in a subtle and creative fashion, but the intent behind the video is what matters most in the end
imontheinterwebguys 9 months ago 48
@imontheinterwebguys He said "IF you want to play the game, just swallow your pride."
Nannirk 9 months ago
@Nannirk True but, still, even IF you want to play the game, that shouldn't be the case. I would hope people would do this because they genuinely enjoy it. Not because it's a quick and easy way to stardom. If you can call it that.
imontheinterwebguys 9 months ago
@imontheinterwebguys You're missing the point. You can't play the game, and not do these things. Because then you're not playing the game. You can't talk about how you're playing baseball and then say you don't ever want to touch a baseball.
Nannirk 9 months ago
@imontheinterwebguys In the video Dan does say if you want youtube to be your job play the game. It's what works for youtube at this point and cannot be avoided if you want to be on the top 10 subscribed. I do agree though that this should not be the case. Sooo looks like we have to point fingers at youtube. although it's not their fault. it's what the community formed as a way to get subscribers and views
Chasetherat2000 9 months ago