Our government was originally a democracy but slowly but surely it has evolved into this pile of unjust laws and corrupt public officials who seek only betterment for them selves instead of what they promised, a good senator,mayor,governor,president, or any other person of greater power should put themselves in the face of danger rather than go out of their way to screw everyone but himself over. i may be only 14 but I've experienced first hand what a bad job some of these people can do.
The government sucks!!! Al they do is sit on their high horses and take control of what even the president of the united states does! if you ask me I think that we should overthrow the government and establish our own command! We as american citizens have the right! oh wait.the government controls that too! I think that they take their power way too far when they control the fact of us liking or hating them! Why are we just waiting around for them to fuck up when we can keep that from happening!
There is some hanky panky going on here, Including the picturers of Africa in a documentary on the internment is just a trick o make internment seem worse
what i find even worse is that the schools teach children that the only people who were interned were japanese-americans, my history book last year clearly stated "no german or italians were interned", but in reality, japanese, germans and italians were interned, but our schools say it never happened.
german, japanese, and italian americans, spread the word.
our gov has yet to apologize to german and italian americans for this, and to this day holds many innocent muslims in guantanamo bay too.
@TheEnviroFriend My understanding is, German nationals and Italian nationals were interned, and if they had American-born children, then those children went with their parents. In the case of the Japanese-Americans, they were interned regardless of how many generations they went back in the U.S.
@SamBuddwing that is not my point, my point is that american schools flatout deny that it ever happened.
i know, it was worse for the japanese americans.
are you saying it was right for them to intern germans just because less were interned?
it was mostly because there were so many german americans they couldnt take them all, and they have some of the same surnames as many other nationalities.
we don't want reparations, we just want the gov to admit they were wrong for detaining our ancestors.
@TheEnviroFriend Your absolutely right. My high school history teacher provided "his" facts and said write a paper on why the Japanese internment camps was not abuse and it was done for the protection. 7 years later and I realize how easily I was brainwashed into believing it was "ok". I'm ashamed that I ever wrote a paper supporting the opression of a minority group. Until this day it still bothers me :(
@TheEnviroFriend I read a history book a few years ago that mentioned that their were thousands of German and Italian Americans interned, but not on the same numbers as Japanese/Americans. Yet it doesn't take away the pain of the German and Italian Americans.
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that is you guys fault! Japanese made the world war 2.
don't beg sympathy here anymore. never pitiful.
too many innocent people was dead by japan!
don't you feel any sorry to the world?
if you feel it, don't distort true history by textbook..and say true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country..
Japan's gorverment sent Korean young girls(12~39 years old)to japanese soldiers for rape. they had to been raped more than 10 times every day
@71021015 SO your basically saying it was okay to stereotype an entire generation of AMERICANS who were of japanese decent, give them less than 72 hours to pack &move into an unknown location without warnign? whats the point of bringing in what the japanese government did into this coversation? this is about the IDIOTIC decision of the U.S. government to ignore the CONSTITUTION and illegally detain thousands of American aliens and citizens alike. Jesus, just how fucking ignorant are you?
@71021015 okay, first of all i want to say im not japanese, but you are the most stupid person ever. Japenses made the world war 2? actually, Japan brought U.S into the war, not created the war. And now you're stereotyping all Japanese people as rapists? what about the us bombing Hiroshima. too many innocent people died through the atomic bomb. learn before you speak
Democracy...at least there was a war between japan and the usa..today muslims are all terroristsyet no muslim country is at war with the usa? yet all muslims are terrorists..wake up..this so called democracy is a curtain for hate..not instigated byu the average american but by those in power..but it is every average americans duty to stand up and say this is wrong! and every muslims right to stand defiant in the face of it..
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs, explosions, or fallout. There are weapons such as the thoughts, attitudes, and prejudices found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicions can destroy, and the thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own, for the children, and the children yet unborn."
-Rod Serling, The Monsters are due on Maple Street.
@Rico8458 Actually the Mexicans came here because so much of the labor on the west coast was lost after the japs were sent to the camps and the mexicans were brought to fill the jobs.
@TooManyPBJs Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941 was why they hated Japan. But we probably more feared Japanese Americans than hated them also because of Pearl Harbor. Even though they really weren't invloved. They were simply Japanese born American citizens or full fledged American Citizens of Japanese Ancestry.
THIS WHOLE COUNTRY THE USA IS FUCK WITHIN INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT THE PEOPLE DONT SPEAK CAUSE THEY CANT. THE LEADERS ARE PUSSY BUT AT THE END WE STILL ARE POWER WHY YU THINK WE HAVE GANG PROBLEMS WE ROB OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THERE DRUGS AND RESALE IN ARE STREETS . BUT AS FOR JAPANESS GO IM HALF N MEXICAN SO IF YOU WERE BORN HERE AND LOVED YOUR COUNTRY BUT YU CANT FORGET YUR PAST
And to think, Mexicans really believe that this can't happen to them, i f legal citizens continue to support law breaking illegal aliens and it effects the country in such a way of getting out of control, then you better believe the legal will be rounded up with the illegal, and whoever can produce their legal status will be allowed to stay the others will be deported. They are playing with fire and don't even know it...
When you have a bad experience as a person or group of people & you hold on to that pain & use it as a crutch & cry why me, the person or people will never get over it & be able to move on. Learn from the lesson but move on & the nisey did & thats why they're a strong proud community in this great country of ours.
Can u imagine fighting for your country on the front line while at the same time ur family is interned by that same country. But like the irish who had it very hard when they first got here & the native americans the japanese americans moved on & didn't use it as a crutch unlike some others.
@iHelptheNeeded always nice to read well argumented comments- ~yawn~ Pearl Harbor is miles away from the US - you never had any bombs in your cities !
@iHelptheNeeded i didnt bomb anyone. i am a Japanese AMERICAN. my family at that time was IN America and were innocent. just because we're Japanese doesn't mean we are evil and are going to bomb people. you are extremely ignorant it's sad.
the law of nature over rules the law of man. the law of man's nature is to do thigns such as this, and slavery and whatever else is dark in our history. thats why there is murder and rape and starving kids and 3rd world countries.
Being a true patriot is standing by American ideals of freedom and justice. No matter what. Things like slavery, Japanese American internment, Bombing civilians, toture, and Not allowing two adults to get married, go against the principles of this great nation. Being a true patriot is not making excuses for, or ignoring the mistakes of your country, but acknowledging them and working to make sure they never happen again.
@Keysteeze This republican commends you. It also means being anti war unless in defense of a direct attack upon our nation. It also means being skeptical of government and questioning authority.
Slavery. Yep our founding fathers allowed it but thank goodness they left us a system where we can undo our own evil and stupidity.
Patriotism is LOVE OF LIBERTY and the unwavering desire to fight for it, it is not worship of GOVERNMENT and the unquestioning duty to fight for it.
@Keysteeze - being a true patriot sometimes requires us to act together in time of danger such as world war two. Eleven million men were drafted another 5 million
joined to fight a evil enemy that attacked us first. These men suffered in horrible conditions and their lives were put at risk. Hundereds of thousands lost their lives. Asking a hundred thousands japanese (mostly children) to relocate in order to prevent espionage, was that to much to ask ?
@am220uss your asking the wrong person my friend. I have never been a "ends justify the means" type of guy. I believe that people should do the right thing regardless of the risk.
@Keysteeze - Your mind would change if you were on one of those big slow troop ships leaving frisco with nine Japanese subs waiting. I bet you would want your departure time kept secret. With 43000 enemy aliens roaming free that would be impossible. You are mighty brave now that others have won the war for you.
We were in a real war then, not some pissy little conflict like we have today. Your stupid principles would have gotten you killed and allot of others with you.
Being a patriot also means having nealy no trust for government authority and waging permanent revolution against the tyranny of government power. A true patriot is always ready to defend its country against its own government.
I am a Republican that denounces wars of aggression, tyranny, bigotry, big government and the elimination of liberties.
@dadecountyhustler305 I would rather have 1% spies live among us than lock up 99% innocent American Citizens. I will say that now, and I will say it forever.
@dadecountyhustler305 War brings the ugliest out of everyone, because war is an ugly thing. Just studying it makes me sick... Who would wish that on another person? I know strategy, I know tactics, I know all of that... I studied it so much. But still, war mAkes me sick, and I am proud to be sickened by it. Because it is a sick thing.
@Sakamachi25 you stupid jap these are prisoners of war rather than spies. they would have been treated like that just you are the most fucking brutal bastard
@waterdropsfall Several things. 1) I'm not Japanese I never said I was. 2) They were U.S. citizens, non-combattents none were spies, and they were not POWs. 3) The Japanese Empire treated other foreigners in their midst with incredible brutality with almost no exceptions. You seem to be arguing a "tit for tat" reasoning behind your excuse of this behavior.
@Sakamachi25 - obviously you were not one of those leaving a west coast harbor on a troop ship. I was. One spy could have cost the lives of thousands. Nine japanese subs were operating of our west coast at the time of the internment. The japanese consulates passed out radios just before the war. What a horrible way to die trapped in a dark hold of a torpedoed ship with thousands of others. You ass.
@am220uss Check out you- tough guy. It's a good thing they locked up those spies and submarines... oh wait, they didn't - they just interned American Citizens. I'm surprised you had time to write this... don't you have a tea party rally to get to?
These fake Americans, those that wave an American Flag wrapped around a swastika, are cowards. So cowardly that they won't fight for freedom. Rather they want to force the weak to surrender their freedoms so we can somehow be safer.
All countries interned enemy aliens. Canada, Great Britian, Mexico, Barzil
and Japan all did the same. It was allowed by international law and required by the Geneva conventions in part for their own protection. Most of the adults were citizens of Japan and therefore enemy aliens. any U.S. citizens were their children and citizens because they were born here. They were also citizens of japan by Japanese law.
That question is moot. Even if they weren't anti-American before they got taken from their homes to irrigate desert, slave manufacturing labour. Seeing their children, BABIES in CAMPS! I LOVE my country (Canada) but if the Canadian government threw all people of Ukrainian descent (that would be me) in those camps (which they were planning to do during the Cold War), I'd spit on the Canadian flag! I would hemorrhage shit all over it! YES I'm sure there were people who had suddenly shifted loyalty
I take it that you think we should have given a trial
to each Japanese alien and if found guilty sent them to jail or put them to death, which is the penality for espionage. A few questions for you : What would the Japanese have done with the thousands of U.S. civilians they captured when they took the Philippines. How many of our men would have died while we put together a trial for each? Where would we get the hundreds of japanese speaking people necessary to hold these trials ? only a few
@am220uss i agree with everything you say...oh and so mongoose knows thousands of civilians as well as military POWs died in those camps under the brutal japanese conditions..we on the other hand took waaay better care of our japanese POWs
@cajmjb Mongoose never said anything of the sort you pea brained toothless inbred redneck.
Keep trying to justify brutality, oppression, and forcing others to live in sub-human conditions. We know that such is not American, it is fascist.
Do you know what oppression is? I can spell it slowly for you, corky. Don't be afraid to ask me what it means. Now go stroke your tiny little wee-wee to the Horst-Wessel Song.
@menehune59 - race had nothing to do with it , they were interned because of their nation of orgin . We were helping the chinese who are of the same race. Can you grasp that ?
helping Chinese ? Its only the fear of Americans after Pearl Harbor who called every Japanese a spy ! what could these people do to Chinese ??? US were only afraid of their own citizens - like today !
Read Iris Chang's Rape of Nanking and after that you tell me if fear of invasion by
the Japanese military is not justified. The relocation was pre-emptive self defense.
FDR knew that the Japanese living in the Philippines assisted the invading japanese army a few days after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack. We feared invasion
on our west coast and that was the primary reason for the relocation.
Seriously, not the Japanese people's fault that the government of Japan (that they have nothing to do with) decided that they wanted to take over the world. Kinda like it's not all Germans' fault that concentration camps existed. Those were the Nazis. Do we say shit against Germans... NO we say shit about Nazis. BIG DIFFERENCE. BTW fear is never an excuse for anything
The Japanese people fully supported their government. To my knowledge they did not try to kill their leaders or riot. They knew they would benifit if they were scessful in their conquests. You say
fear is not an excuse however the law allows self defense if you are in fear for you life. "Fear is never an excuse" is just your opinion, the law does not see it that way. Again read "the Rape of Nanking'
@am220uss The rape of Nanking, which was brutal, inexplicable and utterly unspeakable, doesn't justify the murder of over ten million Japanese civilians by Americans. The civilians supported their government because their government was telling them that the Chinese would follow them home and be murdering them in their streets. They were told the same about America.
mongoose704 - who killed 10 million Japanese civilians ???? Not the U.S. You had better check your numbers and quit exagerating if you want to be taken seriously. So that makes them not guilty of killing chinese civilians by the millions , Just because their government told them a lie ?? You would have to be an idiot to believe the chinese would follow them home , the chinese did not even have a Navy. If they were that stupid they needed education and we gave them one. Your excuse is pathetic.
@am220uss And even more evil on your part is your attempt to justify mass murder by correctly pointing out that ten million weren't killed, but only 3 million.
10 million to 3 million, when given the context is not that much of an exaggeration. I went from mass murder to mass murder.
The Japanese were being fed that propaganda and that explains your thesis about the culpability of the Japenese citizen.
@vtohobbit Right on. I refuse to live in fear much less be manipulated by fear. The worst demagogues of history all led by instilling as much fear as possible into their subjects.
The worst crimes in history were all committed out of fear.
mongoose- the worst demagogues in history told their people they were superior and others inferior. The Japanese were told the chinese were sub-human and inferior and they were children of the emperor who was a god.
The germans were told they were the master race. They feared nobody. They were manipulated by greed for the wealth and lands
I guess the jury will always be out on this one.There probably were a VERY small number of 5th columnists which would have been a concern in Hawaii, but what could they have achieved in California?
1 thing is sure; the Japanese-Americans in the ETO
proved themselves as patriotically American as Roosevelt himself. How many people would sacrifice their lives for a country that had imprisonned their families?..Extraordinary commitment..,Extraordinary Americans.
I did not mean to exagerate about something I know very little about. I stand corrected....It is only through watching Ken Burns doco 'The WAR' That I have formed an opinion; it seemed as if the Japanese were....good.
We don't generally have a very high opinion of them here in Aus. due to the severe mis-treatment of our POWs.
Perhaps I Am clutching at straws trying to form a better opinion of humanity in general here..
The US was intercepting and decoding radio traffic between tokyo and it's embassy and consulates for about a year before the sneak attack at Pearl Harbor.
The info gleaned from this was code named "magic". Magic showed the existance of a large japanese espionage ring on our west coast.
The Japanese military's secret service
(kempitai) had been sneaking agents
into our west coast since 1918. You had problems with Japanese spies in Aus.
Ken Burns is like all the others repeating lies without doing research or in denial of
the truth. Race issues get headlines in the U.S. we are more likely to watch if there is a racial issue. Americans are obsessed with race. Of course those
like Mr. burns seem to think that only white people can lie. A japanese
tell a lie, that can't happen! White people do not stand up and demand the truth
lYou have been reading a bunch of garbage . Read history. Slavery had
been going on since the beginning of time. There were slaves here long before our nation was formed. In fact we soon stopped the importation of new
slaves and then fought a civil war to end it.
That is back when it took months to cross the ocean if you got there at all. Nobody who has lived as long as I could be that stupid as to suggest that we welcomed in slavery after our nation was formed. Learn your history.
Im just asking you to open you mind to possibilities, of course its not the books and facts that matter the most , its their interpretation
have you spoken any language but English?
if yes , then its sort of hard to be self aware , as your language owns you , not the other way around , what Im getting to is a sort of deeper understanding that you cannot have if you base your thinking on labels i.e rely on words too much
There was several japanese only secret societies whos menbership numbered in the tens of thousands. All were sworn to
"do the emperors will" many thousands were in california where ships were leaving west coast ports for the war,
Calif. is where our aircraft industry was centered, where we had oil wells, water systems, electrical systems, dams, bridges. and railroads, all needed for our war effort and Calif was where we thought the japanese might invade.
To answer your question research the battle for the battle of the Solomon islands and what a small handful of Australian coast watchers did to the Japanese war effort. Richard Ried
FDR did what had to be done to protect the thousands of men leaving our West coast ports to fight in the Pacific war
against Japan on large, slow, crowded troop ships. Just one spy could have cost the lives of thousands by simply reporting
its departure to one of the nine Japanese submarines waiting off our coast . If you do not believe what one man behind enemy lines can do, research Richard Ried a Aussie coast watcher and what he did to the Japanese. Our West coast was full of spies .
ams220uss since you mention international law, the US invasion and the bombings of Laos and Vietnam were 1,5 milion viets and 200thousand laotian civilians died in US bombardements made the US goverment guilty of war crimes, since as a super-power and bully nation nobody could oppose but still frmer. Foreign mstr. Kissinger was declared a war criminal under the Geneva Convetion, during the 1930 the USA was a segregated deeply racist nation, all jewish immigration stopped after the KRISTALLNACHT
in the 1930's Albert Einstein was one of these. The U.S. was in the middle of a depression we took allot but could not take all there were not enough Jobs for americans people were starving . Are you so uneducated you are unaware of the conditions during the depresson or don't you care about Americans? This was about jobs and money not religious prsecution.
the USA-Canada accepted some celebrities such as swiss citizen and nobel prize winner Einstein who never was in danger, but refused entry to 100thousand of poor jews of eastern europe, only complaint to nazi-germany was about the extermination of handicapped people, since jews were not considered people nobody cared until after-the swiss red cross told the allies from the early beginning about the death camps such as Auschwitz- as in Rwanda nobody cared
This site is for comments on videos about the japanese American internment not a forum for your America bashing, especially unsupported charges such as yours. No source no answer.
am220uss, sources I need sources, how many thousand before D-Day??? Vermont Governor and US amabassador
Madeline Kunin's brother said they all got refused entry into the US=thousand of austrian jews, I got it from the horses mouth-we spoke swiss german he still had the Zurich accent
I said we took some not them all the Gov. might be one off those we did not take,but we did take at least 100,thousand, the number you used . Horses do not talk did the Gov. put this in writing and where do we find it. Also we were in a depression ,people were starving, there were not enough jobs for Americans letting in 6 million Jews and others would have been wrong. FDR was president of the U.S. not of the Europeans.Where did you ever get the idea that everybody has the right to come here
am220uss, In my native land we had a jewish woman as president decades ago, Einstein was very well respected even when he went to the open market to buy vegetables in his pyjamas people loved the distracted professor, my grand-ma saw him often as a child, his eldest son Herrmann was a soldier in the swiss army during ww2
am220uss, only 3 countries never made their MEA CULPA any about their war-crimes or crimes against humanity =Japan, USA, Turkye and yes the catholic church so whats the problem
am220uss, US denial or Japanese denial the difference you are a super-power, bombing of Laos-Vietnam=1,7 million civilian dead or Nanking 2 milion dead differrence you won the war, death-march of the Cherokee indians and genocide of natives by US govmnt. still nobody judges victors same B.S.
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Q8: What is the view of the Government of Japan on the incident known as the "Nanjing Massacre"?
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"The Government of Japan believes that it cannot be denied that following the entrance of the Japanese Army into Nanjing in 1937, the killing of a large number of noncombatants, looting and other acts occurred."
The japanese govt. continues to down-play the extent of the horrible things that
were done. China has forced them to at least admit to some. there are plenty off other incidents of japans savagery in the Philippines, Java, Korea, Guam , Okinawa, Sipan and Wake Island.
At sand creek the whites were milita not army troops and Col. Covington was brought up on charges. less 180 died.
At My lai I believe less than 30 died and Lt. Cally was brought up on charges.
I have not studied the Philippine American war but i do know it was very savage fighting on both sides. The cheyenne dog soldiers were extremely savage fighters also, The viet cong used women and children ,wore no uniforms and used every dirty trick. They wiped out whole villages with flame throwers
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"Yet Calley served only four months in prison before he was pardoned by President Richard Nixon, and today he manages a jewelry store in his home town of Columbus, Georgia. Others involved in My Lai were acquitted or not prosecuted."
"He was convicted of war crimes and sentenced to death by hanging by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East for being responsible for the Nanking Massacre."
You say " sentenced to death by a international militar Tribunal " I would guess that was after the defeat of japan. Where as Calley was sentenced by the U.S. making it clear that killing of civilians was not tolerated. The scale of the rape of nanking is in no way comparable to
My Lai . Calley lost his head while facing an enemy that wore no uniforms played
friendly farmer in daylight and killed at night. Everything he did the viet cong did on a much larger scale.
Your the one making the charges ,it is up to you to provide some evidence. Thats the way it works. Are you that ignorant that you don't know it is up to you to provide a source.
am220uss, I gave you plenty of sources but you're not interested in so, why would you in your eyes the US could never do anything wrong thats it them LOVE YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA
This is just wrong how the Japanese Americans are treated like this suffering in interment camps from lack of food and other stuff since lots of food are being sent to American soldiers in WWII and know one cares to send food to the Japanese Americans in the camps just because their Japanese thats why so many Japanese American elders who lived through this don't like Cacasians sad how this worlds like this with many horrible things going on like war
There was rationing of food for all americans. I still have my ration book. The japanese in the camps had as much to eat as anybody and in most cases more. If japanese Americans don't like
it here they are free to leave . This is not Cuba. War is a horrible thing and it is sad that Japans sneak attack on Pearl Harbor caused it. Japan interned more than we did under very harsh conditions. Thousands died.
And that was the fault of the nisei or what? the 442nd RCT was the most decorated US-unit in this war with one of the highest casualty rates. And then also german submarines operated at the east coast and the gulf of mexico. Were people of german or italian ancestry relocated? NO!
germans or italians their navies had been destroyed by the Brits before we entered the war and you cannot invade a country the size of the U.S. with submarines. The japanese had the aircraft carriers and troop ships that are necessary for an invasion and the battle ships needed to defend against it were at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. That is why there was relocation on our west
The internment of the JA was not due to the threat of spying. It was for economic and financial gains of the greedy. This was a simple land grab. The JAs were establishing themselves as a force in the Calif agricultual industry and increasing the ownership of farmlands.
The white farmers used their political influence to "scare" the legislature to enact 9006 to "evict" the JAs off their properties, than buy the farms at a major discount. Thereby gaining more land and marketshare.
You say this was all about agriculture. I f this is so why did FDR not just deport them . Then there would have been no chance of them returning and it would have been allot cheaper.The Swedish ship Gripsholm was making regular trips
If that caucasian was recruited or given instructions by a japanese than he is guilty Where did his orders and payment come from did they fall out of the sky. read about the Naiihau incident or the tropicana spy ring or the japanese cab driver in honolulu or dr. mori the dentist. Research espionage not the internment if you want to learn about spies.
There were two types of camps , and two seperate operations first came the internment which started a few hours after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor,
targeted only suspected individuals that we thought might be engaged in espionage and was run by the dept. of Justice. Germans ,Japanese , italians and even Romainians were interned. In 1942 more germans and europeans were interned than japanese. Months later came the relocation which was
The relocation targeted all japanese and was run by a temporary agency called the War Relocation Authority. The japanese were moved east away from any invasion zone to get them out of the way. Japanese aliens living in the American
territory of the Philippines assisted the invading Japanese Army a few weeks after Pearl Harbor .There was no threat of invasion on the East coast as the German and italian navies had already been defeated by the Brits. So there was no relocation on the East coast
WWII was a declared war. It was not a small time action like we have today. We were facing 3 powerful countries and losing everywhere. Our military was unprepared. We were not the military super power we are today.
Our entire economy was reworked for the war effort, even food was rationed ( I still have my ration book ) There has never been a declared war since WWII. and never has our nation been at such risk
since. All the others mentioned were not declared war.
.Enemy aliens did not have to be convicted of anything to be interned. All countries at war did it, including Canada, Mexico, England, barzil and Japan. It is allowed by international law and the Geneva conventions. It is In part for their own protection . " civilians who find themselves under the authority of the adverse party must be protected against all acts of viloence." Also FDR had information showing the existance
And if we follow your logic, all American of German descent should have been interned during WW2, all American of Cuban descent should have been interned during the Cuban missiles crisis, all American of eastern European descent should have been interned during the whole 50 years of the cold war. ETC ETC ETC.....
You seem to have missed the fact that Germans, italians, and even Romainians were interned during WWII sometime in camps right next to the japanese. All the other things you mentioned were not declared wars. In declared war international law allows the internment of enemy aliens In the U.S. we took the entire houshold to avoid leaving dependants without support
Seriously ,what is wrong with you that you would post without historical knowledge of the subject ?. You get serious and do some research them apply simple logic and you can answer your own questions.
Your comparisons are absurd and show you lack a grasp of history and how things work. You are probably young,
I lived through the times we are discussing.read and learn from my posts.
You can say whatever you want as a justification like "other countries did it" or "it was for their protection" or "Life was hard during war" or "there might have been spies among them".
Honestly..... none of this justify to put a whole category of the population (Who were all American citizens, born on U.S soil, innocent of any crimes and who had nothing to do with the then "Empire of Japan") in camps = including the children.
( who were all American citizens born on U.S. soil )? You are elther uneducated or lying. 43,000 were enemy aliens born in Japan.) 7,500 were members of a secret japanese only society sworn to " do the emperors will " Many young had been sent to Japan for schooling and received military training. Just one spy could have been responsible for the death of
thousands. Troop ships with thousands of men aboard were leaving the west coast. There were nine Japanese sobs
There were 9 Japanese submarines operating of our west coast in 1942
A slow troop ship would have been an
easy target if it could be located. If you doubt the damage one spy can do behind enemy lines research Richard Ried a Australian coast watcher and how he hurt the Japanese Navy..
If you don't see the immorality of this... not much can be done for you...
There are some things that can't be justified, even though they might have been legal at the time.
= Slavery for example, i'm not gonna say today that it was right because it was ABSOLUTELY legal at the time and because A LOT of other countries did it for centuries.
You can not judge 1942 wartime America by your 21st century morality that exists no
where but in your mind. There is no Utopia and never was. Who's morality should we use to govern the world yours ? maybe some other people have something to say here. We are a nation of laws. International law was on our side.
You are so naive. Who made your new morality some professor sitting safe in his ivory tower office 60 yrs. after the fact.
your life was at risk? As I said there are others who's opinions matter , not Just yours and the opinion of those like myself who put there lives on the line far outweighs your pie in the sky morality. Who decides what is right or wrong You?
Or should it be our laws. All our enemies have fought just a savagely as us and in most cases more so.
Yes ,if something is done that violates international law of the time. War crimes are nor based on somebody shouting out their morality. No nation ever request that FDR be put on trial for the internment or relocation. International law was on his side and a nation has a right to protect itself. The camps were visited by the international Red Cross and represenatives from Spain and other neutral countries no charges of neglect or any other problem were ever made.
Our government was originally a democracy but slowly but surely it has evolved into this pile of unjust laws and corrupt public officials who seek only betterment for them selves instead of what they promised, a good senator,mayor,governor,president, or any other person of greater power should put themselves in the face of danger rather than go out of their way to screw everyone but himself over. i may be only 14 but I've experienced first hand what a bad job some of these people can do.
arkvoodl1996 1 week ago
The government sucks!!! Al they do is sit on their high horses and take control of what even the president of the united states does! if you ask me I think that we should overthrow the government and establish our own command! We as american citizens have the right! oh wait.the government controls that too! I think that they take their power way too far when they control the fact of us liking or hating them! Why are we just waiting around for them to fuck up when we can keep that from happening!
arkvoodl1996 1 week ago
Thank you for posting this. I will use this in my classroom when I introduce The Journal of Ben Uchida
sare1327 1 month ago
Under NDAA all US Citizens who question their government are next, no matter where their ancestry is from.
toria555 1 month ago
They were our countrymen. It was wrong.
TheGreaterGood80 1 month ago
There is some hanky panky going on here, Including the picturers of Africa in a documentary on the internment is just a trick o make internment seem worse
am220uss 3 months ago
what i find even worse is that the schools teach children that the only people who were interned were japanese-americans, my history book last year clearly stated "no german or italians were interned", but in reality, japanese, germans and italians were interned, but our schools say it never happened.
german, japanese, and italian americans, spread the word.
our gov has yet to apologize to german and italian americans for this, and to this day holds many innocent muslims in guantanamo bay too.
TheEnviroFriend 3 months ago
@TheEnviroFriend My understanding is, German nationals and Italian nationals were interned, and if they had American-born children, then those children went with their parents. In the case of the Japanese-Americans, they were interned regardless of how many generations they went back in the U.S.
SamBuddwing 3 months ago
@SamBuddwing that is not my point, my point is that american schools flatout deny that it ever happened.
i know, it was worse for the japanese americans.
are you saying it was right for them to intern germans just because less were interned?
it was mostly because there were so many german americans they couldnt take them all, and they have some of the same surnames as many other nationalities.
we don't want reparations, we just want the gov to admit they were wrong for detaining our ancestors.
TheEnviroFriend 3 months ago
@TheEnviroFriend Your absolutely right. My high school history teacher provided "his" facts and said write a paper on why the Japanese internment camps was not abuse and it was done for the protection. 7 years later and I realize how easily I was brainwashed into believing it was "ok". I'm ashamed that I ever wrote a paper supporting the opression of a minority group. Until this day it still bothers me :(
colorfulpride 1 month ago
@TheEnviroFriend I read a history book a few years ago that mentioned that their were thousands of German and Italian Americans interned, but not on the same numbers as Japanese/Americans. Yet it doesn't take away the pain of the German and Italian Americans.
school40000 2 months ago
Not a documentary but a crappy music video. thumbs down.
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TheServiceWeb 4 months ago in playlist World War II
Nobody can' t say anything.
They ve' got citizen ship for dead , but never for citizen ship.
when they just leave home , parent of them told them ,
never be the shame of family and do protect star-spangled banner ,
and finally to be said, if possible please come home to live.
They were born in the USA , not Japanese , even if they were to be sent to Japan. but soul of them has true American samurai .
They are not Jap, Jap is we Japanese.
being719 5 months ago
The funny thing is, we have more camps now than we did then. Also, they are all empty, but for some reasons our prisons are crowded?
Fenton112 6 months ago
mexicans have invaded the usa. they own this now. they have won the war. lol.
Rico8458 7 months ago
Before the war happens they already lose.
rigenzea 7 months ago
this could happen to american muslims if america has a large war with another muslim country(like pakistan or iran)
serioushamster 8 months ago
so much for land of the "free"
NightHawkG37 9 months ago
@NightHawkG37 Yeah, because you know us, we currently have soooo many internment camps...?
tf2weekly 7 months ago
To Japanese~
that is you guys fault! Japanese made the world war 2.
don't beg sympathy here anymore. never pitiful.
too many innocent people was dead by japan!
don't you feel any sorry to the world?
if you feel it, don't distort true history by textbook..and say true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country..
Japan's gorverment sent Korean young girls(12~39 years old)to japanese soldiers for rape. they had to been raped more than 10 times every day
71021015 9 months ago
@71021015 SO your basically saying it was okay to stereotype an entire generation of AMERICANS who were of japanese decent, give them less than 72 hours to pack &move into an unknown location without warnign? whats the point of bringing in what the japanese government did into this coversation? this is about the IDIOTIC decision of the U.S. government to ignore the CONSTITUTION and illegally detain thousands of American aliens and citizens alike. Jesus, just how fucking ignorant are you?
writingdreamsful 9 months ago 2
@71021015 Fuck you
Daladun 9 months ago
@71021015 okay, first of all i want to say im not japanese, but you are the most stupid person ever. Japenses made the world war 2? actually, Japan brought U.S into the war, not created the war. And now you're stereotyping all Japanese people as rapists? what about the us bombing Hiroshima. too many innocent people died through the atomic bomb. learn before you speak
ricepanda35 8 months ago
@ricepanda35 That's why~ your so stupid ever. read carefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i didn't say that Japan started the world war 2. got it??
Japan is one of the criminal country in the world. many people was died because of Japan.
Even Japanese also dead but it's their fault.
71021015 8 months ago
@71021015 Many people died because of Germany, USA, China, Korea, Vietnam, Poland, England, France, Russia, and many countries around the world.
andagii 8 months ago
WHATS WITH THE FREAKING MUSIC?
oluham 10 months ago
Democracy...at least there was a war between japan and the usa..today muslims are all terroristsyet no muslim country is at war with the usa? yet all muslims are terrorists..wake up..this so called democracy is a curtain for hate..not instigated byu the average american but by those in power..but it is every average americans duty to stand up and say this is wrong! and every muslims right to stand defiant in the face of it..
IIprotecttheinnocent 10 months ago
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs, explosions, or fallout. There are weapons such as the thoughts, attitudes, and prejudices found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicions can destroy, and the thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own, for the children, and the children yet unborn."
-Rod Serling, The Monsters are due on Maple Street.
Strega222 11 months ago
why dont they do this today for all the mexicans?
Rico8458 1 year ago
@Rico8458 Actually the Mexicans came here because so much of the labor on the west coast was lost after the japs were sent to the camps and the mexicans were brought to fill the jobs.
tf2weekly 7 months ago
all of the Turkish people likes and respects Japanese people.
Mrbalimen 1 year ago
Why did the US hate japanese people?
TooManyPBJs 1 year ago
@TooManyPBJs Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941 was why they hated Japan. But we probably more feared Japanese Americans than hated them also because of Pearl Harbor. Even though they really weren't invloved. They were simply Japanese born American citizens or full fledged American Citizens of Japanese Ancestry.
just4funzees 1 year ago
@just4funzees i see
TooManyPBJs 1 year ago
@TooManyPBJs They weremt WHITE (remember "the yellow peril"?)!
oluham 10 months ago
@TooManyPBJs Are you retarded?
tf2weekly 7 months ago
@tf2weekly i just learned WW2 history this year. Now I know why. And no. I'm not retarded. Rude prick
TooManyPBJs 7 months ago
Can Some body tell me what this video is about? i dont know about this part of History? what did the Americans do to the Japanese =S?
WorldFrontlineMedia 1 year ago
THIS WHOLE COUNTRY THE USA IS FUCK WITHIN INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT THE PEOPLE DONT SPEAK CAUSE THEY CANT. THE LEADERS ARE PUSSY BUT AT THE END WE STILL ARE POWER WHY YU THINK WE HAVE GANG PROBLEMS WE ROB OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THERE DRUGS AND RESALE IN ARE STREETS . BUT AS FOR JAPANESS GO IM HALF N MEXICAN SO IF YOU WERE BORN HERE AND LOVED YOUR COUNTRY BUT YU CANT FORGET YUR PAST
KKronic1 1 year ago
replace "WWII" with "War on Terror", replace "japanese" with either "Patriot" or "terrorist," and "interment camp" with "FEMA Camp" ...
anonymous1134206 1 year ago
And to think, Mexicans really believe that this can't happen to them, i f legal citizens continue to support law breaking illegal aliens and it effects the country in such a way of getting out of control, then you better believe the legal will be rounded up with the illegal, and whoever can produce their legal status will be allowed to stay the others will be deported. They are playing with fire and don't even know it...
maxluxur 1 year ago
When you have a bad experience as a person or group of people & you hold on to that pain & use it as a crutch & cry why me, the person or people will never get over it & be able to move on. Learn from the lesson but move on & the nisey did & thats why they're a strong proud community in this great country of ours.
JMcLovn 1 year ago
Can u imagine fighting for your country on the front line while at the same time ur family is interned by that same country. But like the irish who had it very hard when they first got here & the native americans the japanese americans moved on & didn't use it as a crutch unlike some others.
JMcLovn 1 year ago
This Americans try to hide ....only always pointing to "evil" Japanese ! :((
inapoi 1 year ago
@inapoi
Fuck you, you bombed us.
iHelptheNeeded 1 year ago
@iHelptheNeeded always nice to read well argumented comments- ~yawn~ Pearl Harbor is miles away from the US - you never had any bombs in your cities !
inapoi 1 year ago
@iHelptheNeeded wow are you really using that against people when you know you were wrong? can you be anymore ignorant?
buttaaamilkXbiiiscut 1 year ago
@buttaaamilkXbiiiscut
You bombed us and you wouldn't give up. What else should we have done?
iHelptheNeeded 1 year ago
@iHelptheNeeded i didnt bomb anyone. i am a Japanese AMERICAN. my family at that time was IN America and were innocent. just because we're Japanese doesn't mean we are evil and are going to bomb people. you are extremely ignorant it's sad.
buttaaamilkXbiiiscut 1 year ago 2
"This country is not perfect. It has it's flaws, warts, and sins."
Sean Hannity, Let Freedom Ring, Paperback, Pg. 50
Keysteeze 2 years ago
@Keysteeze
And Hannity is a perfect example of those warts.
mongoose704 1 year ago
lol. Indeed
Keysteeze 1 year ago
日本から442連隊の兵士たちに敬意を表します。
一、日本国民より。
UminoNuko 2 years ago
the law of nature over rules the law of man. the law of man's nature is to do thigns such as this, and slavery and whatever else is dark in our history. thats why there is murder and rape and starving kids and 3rd world countries.
internash 2 years ago
Being a true patriot is standing by American ideals of freedom and justice. No matter what. Things like slavery, Japanese American internment, Bombing civilians, toture, and Not allowing two adults to get married, go against the principles of this great nation. Being a true patriot is not making excuses for, or ignoring the mistakes of your country, but acknowledging them and working to make sure they never happen again.
Keysteeze 2 years ago 4
@Keysteeze This republican commends you. It also means being anti war unless in defense of a direct attack upon our nation. It also means being skeptical of government and questioning authority.
Slavery. Yep our founding fathers allowed it but thank goodness they left us a system where we can undo our own evil and stupidity.
Patriotism is LOVE OF LIBERTY and the unwavering desire to fight for it, it is not worship of GOVERNMENT and the unquestioning duty to fight for it.
mongoose704 1 year ago 3
@Keysteeze - being a true patriot sometimes requires us to act together in time of danger such as world war two. Eleven million men were drafted another 5 million
joined to fight a evil enemy that attacked us first. These men suffered in horrible conditions and their lives were put at risk. Hundereds of thousands lost their lives. Asking a hundred thousands japanese (mostly children) to relocate in order to prevent espionage, was that to much to ask ?
am220uss 1 year ago
@am220uss your asking the wrong person my friend. I have never been a "ends justify the means" type of guy. I believe that people should do the right thing regardless of the risk.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
@Keysteeze - Your mind would change if you were on one of those big slow troop ships leaving frisco with nine Japanese subs waiting. I bet you would want your departure time kept secret. With 43000 enemy aliens roaming free that would be impossible. You are mighty brave now that others have won the war for you.
We were in a real war then, not some pissy little conflict like we have today. Your stupid principles would have gotten you killed and allot of others with you.
am220uss 1 year ago
@Keysteeze Right.
Being a patriot also means having nealy no trust for government authority and waging permanent revolution against the tyranny of government power. A true patriot is always ready to defend its country against its own government.
I am a Republican that denounces wars of aggression, tyranny, bigotry, big government and the elimination of liberties.
mongoose704 1 year ago 20
Thomas Jefferson would be proud
simonkism 1 year ago
@mongoose704 I think the government is trying to hard to protect itself against the citizens, and I dont think it is good
Fenton112 6 months ago
Not all Japaneses were spies living in the USA but I bet at least 1% were. They proply locked up Americans too. Its all a game
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
@dadecountyhustler305 I would rather have 1% spies live among us than lock up 99% innocent American Citizens. I will say that now, and I will say it forever.
Sakamachi25 2 years ago 18
Well Im sorry you fell that way but the Japanese did the same to Americans but you dont hear them bitching about it.
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
We should just both agree that war brings out the ugliest of our two nations...
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
@dadecountyhustler305 War brings the ugliest out of everyone, because war is an ugly thing. Just studying it makes me sick... Who would wish that on another person? I know strategy, I know tactics, I know all of that... I studied it so much. But still, war mAkes me sick, and I am proud to be sickened by it. Because it is a sick thing.
Sakamachi25 2 years ago
Ya I hear ya man.
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
@Sakamachi25 you stupid jap these are prisoners of war rather than spies. they would have been treated like that just you are the most fucking brutal bastard
waterdropsfall 1 year ago
@waterdropsfall Several things. 1) I'm not Japanese I never said I was. 2) They were U.S. citizens, non-combattents none were spies, and they were not POWs. 3) The Japanese Empire treated other foreigners in their midst with incredible brutality with almost no exceptions. You seem to be arguing a "tit for tat" reasoning behind your excuse of this behavior.
Sakamachi25 1 year ago
@Sakamachi25 - obviously you were not one of those leaving a west coast harbor on a troop ship. I was. One spy could have cost the lives of thousands. Nine japanese subs were operating of our west coast at the time of the internment. The japanese consulates passed out radios just before the war. What a horrible way to die trapped in a dark hold of a torpedoed ship with thousands of others. You ass.
am220uss 1 year ago
@am220uss Check out you- tough guy. It's a good thing they locked up those spies and submarines... oh wait, they didn't - they just interned American Citizens. I'm surprised you had time to write this... don't you have a tea party rally to get to?
Sakamachi25 1 year ago
@Sakamachi25 Yes.
These fake Americans, those that wave an American Flag wrapped around a swastika, are cowards. So cowardly that they won't fight for freedom. Rather they want to force the weak to surrender their freedoms so we can somehow be safer.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@Sakamachi25 Not when you're dead.
tf2weekly 7 months ago
this was wrong by any means, fuck it it depresses me to think it happened
SilverGunZoO 2 years ago
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Jail those Japs. But get some pussy
first.
OSS4USA 2 years ago
racist motherfucker betcha the last pussy u had was ur mums
bathingape123456789 2 years ago
All countries interned enemy aliens. Canada, Great Britian, Mexico, Barzil
and Japan all did the same. It was allowed by international law and required by the Geneva conventions in part for their own protection. Most of the adults were citizens of Japan and therefore enemy aliens. any U.S. citizens were their children and citizens because they were born here. They were also citizens of japan by Japanese law.
am220uss 2 years ago
These oral history commentators never
address the real issues. They talk about
permission being denied to walk across
the street for a coke. I was a school
teacher for part of my life and often denied
requests like that. I would like to ask them if they knew any spies. Did they hear any talk. Did they wittness any
of the violence between those loyal to the U.S. and those loyal to Japan ?
am220uss 2 years ago
That question is moot. Even if they weren't anti-American before they got taken from their homes to irrigate desert, slave manufacturing labour. Seeing their children, BABIES in CAMPS! I LOVE my country (Canada) but if the Canadian government threw all people of Ukrainian descent (that would be me) in those camps (which they were planning to do during the Cold War), I'd spit on the Canadian flag! I would hemorrhage shit all over it! YES I'm sure there were people who had suddenly shifted loyalty
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@am220uss Why do you keep defending violence and oppression against innocents based upon only their race? Hitler used the same logic you do.
mongoose704 1 year ago
it still amazes me that people cannot grasp how wrong it was to intern japanese/americans just because they were guilty by reason of race!
menehune59 2 years ago 4
@menehune59 Absolutely. Government's role is to protect civil liberties. To ensure that life, limb or liberty is not denied them without due process.
If the government wants to hold anyone, let them prove the suspect actually committed a crime.
mongoose704 1 year ago
I take it that you think we should have given a trial
to each Japanese alien and if found guilty sent them to jail or put them to death, which is the penality for espionage. A few questions for you : What would the Japanese have done with the thousands of U.S. civilians they captured when they took the Philippines. How many of our men would have died while we put together a trial for each? Where would we get the hundreds of japanese speaking people necessary to hold these trials ? only a few
am220uss 1 year ago
am220uss---man , you're right,
jefro1965 1 year ago
@am220uss i agree with everything you say...oh and so mongoose knows thousands of civilians as well as military POWs died in those camps under the brutal japanese conditions..we on the other hand took waaay better care of our japanese POWs
cajmjb 1 year ago
@cajmjb Mongoose never said anything of the sort you pea brained toothless inbred redneck.
Keep trying to justify brutality, oppression, and forcing others to live in sub-human conditions. We know that such is not American, it is fascist.
Do you know what oppression is? I can spell it slowly for you, corky. Don't be afraid to ask me what it means. Now go stroke your tiny little wee-wee to the Horst-Wessel Song.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@menehune59 - race had nothing to do with it , they were interned because of their nation of orgin . We were helping the chinese who are of the same race. Can you grasp that ?
am220uss 1 year ago
@am220uss
helping Chinese ? Its only the fear of Americans after Pearl Harbor who called every Japanese a spy ! what could these people do to Chinese ??? US were only afraid of their own citizens - like today !
inapoi 1 year ago
What I really wonder is how these people managed to get videos of WWII.
xhydropumpx 2 years ago
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KISMET1990 2 years ago
Read Iris Chang's Rape of Nanking and after that you tell me if fear of invasion by
the Japanese military is not justified. The relocation was pre-emptive self defense.
FDR knew that the Japanese living in the Philippines assisted the invading japanese army a few days after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack. We feared invasion
on our west coast and that was the primary reason for the relocation.
am220uss 2 years ago
Seriously, not the Japanese people's fault that the government of Japan (that they have nothing to do with) decided that they wanted to take over the world. Kinda like it's not all Germans' fault that concentration camps existed. Those were the Nazis. Do we say shit against Germans... NO we say shit about Nazis. BIG DIFFERENCE. BTW fear is never an excuse for anything
vtohobbit 2 years ago
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am220uss 2 years ago
The Japanese people fully supported their government. To my knowledge they did not try to kill their leaders or riot. They knew they would benifit if they were scessful in their conquests. You say
fear is not an excuse however the law allows self defense if you are in fear for you life. "Fear is never an excuse" is just your opinion, the law does not see it that way. Again read "the Rape of Nanking'
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rivetgunner 2 years ago
The japanese have first denied and now
down play the Rape of Nanking Why would I believe any Japanese on the subject ? IF thisHonda told the truth
he would not have a job in japan.
am220uss 2 years ago
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mongoose704 1 year ago
@am220uss The rape of Nanking, which was brutal, inexplicable and utterly unspeakable, doesn't justify the murder of over ten million Japanese civilians by Americans. The civilians supported their government because their government was telling them that the Chinese would follow them home and be murdering them in their streets. They were told the same about America.
mongoose704 1 year ago
mongoose704 - who killed 10 million Japanese civilians ???? Not the U.S. You had better check your numbers and quit exagerating if you want to be taken seriously. So that makes them not guilty of killing chinese civilians by the millions , Just because their government told them a lie ?? You would have to be an idiot to believe the chinese would follow them home , the chinese did not even have a Navy. If they were that stupid they needed education and we gave them one. Your excuse is pathetic.
am220uss 1 year ago
@am220uss And even more evil on your part is your attempt to justify mass murder by correctly pointing out that ten million weren't killed, but only 3 million.
10 million to 3 million, when given the context is not that much of an exaggeration. I went from mass murder to mass murder.
The Japanese were being fed that propaganda and that explains your thesis about the culpability of the Japenese citizen.
Now go back to masturbating to Mein Kampf.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 -You were wrong on the ten million and you are wrong on the three
million civilians. how can anybody believe you? Since you seem to throw around insults
and do not know history there is no reason for me to communicate with you . Others will see you for what you are.
am220uss 1 year ago
@am220uss They see you as a goosestepping bigot that advocates murder on the basis of race.
You deserve insults. I feel comfortable knowing that I take the position of peace and civil liberties, something you think deserves to be ridiculed.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@vtohobbit Right on. I refuse to live in fear much less be manipulated by fear. The worst demagogues of history all led by instilling as much fear as possible into their subjects.
The worst crimes in history were all committed out of fear.
mongoose704 1 year ago
mongoose- the worst demagogues in history told their people they were superior and others inferior. The Japanese were told the chinese were sub-human and inferior and they were children of the emperor who was a god.
The germans were told they were the master race. They feared nobody. They were manipulated by greed for the wealth and lands
of others.
am220uss 1 year ago
I guess the jury will always be out on this one.There probably were a VERY small number of 5th columnists which would have been a concern in Hawaii, but what could they have achieved in California?
1 thing is sure; the Japanese-Americans in the ETO
crocfme 2 years ago
proved themselves as patriotically American as Roosevelt himself. How many people would sacrifice their lives for a country that had imprisonned their families?..Extraordinary commitment..,Extraordinary Americans.
crocfme 2 years ago
Their families were not imprisoned but relocated. They could leave if they wanted.
All they had to do was sign a loyalty oath
and not return to the west coast . Jobs were waiting there was a list of employers willing to hire them. They could get passes to leave for short
periods and even return home if supervised. Do not exaggerate
am220uss 2 years ago
I did not mean to exagerate about something I know very little about. I stand corrected....It is only through watching Ken Burns doco 'The WAR' That I have formed an opinion; it seemed as if the Japanese were....good.
We don't generally have a very high opinion of them here in Aus. due to the severe mis-treatment of our POWs.
Perhaps I Am clutching at straws trying to form a better opinion of humanity in general here..
I like sushi.....
crocfme 2 years ago
The US was intercepting and decoding radio traffic between tokyo and it's embassy and consulates for about a year before the sneak attack at Pearl Harbor.
The info gleaned from this was code named "magic". Magic showed the existance of a large japanese espionage ring on our west coast.
The Japanese military's secret service
(kempitai) had been sneaking agents
into our west coast since 1918. You had problems with Japanese spies in Aus.
also. The idea that there were no spies
is absurd.
am220uss 2 years ago
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mongoose704 1 year ago
They were not imprisoned but relocated.
The japanese could get passes to leave
as long as they signed a loyalty oath and did not return to the west coast. Quit
exaggerating .
am220uss 2 years ago
I wasn't exaggerating, only quoting from what I thought was a very good documentary, perhaps the research there was flawed?
crocfme 2 years ago
Ken Burns is like all the others repeating lies without doing research or in denial of
the truth. Race issues get headlines in the U.S. we are more likely to watch if there is a racial issue. Americans are obsessed with race. Of course those
like Mr. burns seem to think that only white people can lie. A japanese
tell a lie, that can't happen! White people do not stand up and demand the truth
as they are afraid of being called racist
There are no truth controls on U.S. TV.
am220uss 2 years ago
sorry I meant "if no" not "if yes"
haha got caught up in my own speech
lyscan 2 years ago
we are all relocated here my friend
cities look like concentration camps or animal farms of high density , call it whatever you want
this land is devoid of roots , except for the idea of conquering of whatever comes into view
and pouring lies over fact
thats why slavery was welcome here
you say things changed?
I can only be so rude and say , read some books boy and live a bit longer, there are patterns that exist beyond a single life span
lyscan 2 years ago
lYou have been reading a bunch of garbage . Read history. Slavery had
been going on since the beginning of time. There were slaves here long before our nation was formed. In fact we soon stopped the importation of new
slaves and then fought a civil war to end it.
That is back when it took months to cross the ocean if you got there at all. Nobody who has lived as long as I could be that stupid as to suggest that we welcomed in slavery after our nation was formed. Learn your history.
am220uss 2 years ago
patterns that exist beyond a single life span
Im just asking you to open you mind to possibilities, of course its not the books and facts that matter the most , its their interpretation
have you spoken any language but English?
if yes , then its sort of hard to be self aware , as your language owns you , not the other way around , what Im getting to is a sort of deeper understanding that you cannot have if you base your thinking on labels i.e rely on words too much
but you're right in ur way
lyscan 2 years ago
There was several japanese only secret societies whos menbership numbered in the tens of thousands. All were sworn to
"do the emperors will" many thousands were in california where ships were leaving west coast ports for the war,
Calif. is where our aircraft industry was centered, where we had oil wells, water systems, electrical systems, dams, bridges. and railroads, all needed for our war effort and Calif was where we thought the japanese might invade.
am220uss 2 years ago
" What could they have achieved in Calif.?"
To answer your question research the battle for the battle of the Solomon islands and what a small handful of Australian coast watchers did to the Japanese war effort. Richard Ried
was one of them and was responsible
for the deaths of thousands of Japanese
military.
am220uss 2 years ago
FDR did what had to be done to protect the thousands of men leaving our West coast ports to fight in the Pacific war
against Japan on large, slow, crowded troop ships. Just one spy could have cost the lives of thousands by simply reporting
its departure to one of the nine Japanese submarines waiting off our coast . If you do not believe what one man behind enemy lines can do, research Richard Ried a Aussie coast watcher and what he did to the Japanese. Our West coast was full of spies .
am220uss 2 years ago
ams220uss since you mention international law, the US invasion and the bombings of Laos and Vietnam were 1,5 milion viets and 200thousand laotian civilians died in US bombardements made the US goverment guilty of war crimes, since as a super-power and bully nation nobody could oppose but still frmer. Foreign mstr. Kissinger was declared a war criminal under the Geneva Convetion, during the 1930 the USA was a segregated deeply racist nation, all jewish immigration stopped after the KRISTALLNACHT
yurgy1 2 years ago
The U.S. took plenty of Jews from Europe
in the 1930's Albert Einstein was one of these. The U.S. was in the middle of a depression we took allot but could not take all there were not enough Jobs for americans people were starving . Are you so uneducated you are unaware of the conditions during the depresson or don't you care about Americans? This was about jobs and money not religious prsecution.
am220uss 2 years ago
the USA-Canada accepted some celebrities such as swiss citizen and nobel prize winner Einstein who never was in danger, but refused entry to 100thousand of poor jews of eastern europe, only complaint to nazi-germany was about the extermination of handicapped people, since jews were not considered people nobody cared until after-the swiss red cross told the allies from the early beginning about the death camps such as Auschwitz- as in Rwanda nobody cared
yurgy1 2 years ago
This site is for comments on videos about the japanese American internment not a forum for your America bashing, especially unsupported charges such as yours. No source no answer.
am220uss 2 years ago
Maybe you don't consider jews people but
the rest of us americans do. I can tell you with out even opening a book that the US
took allot more than " some celebrities"
at least 100,000 more in the 1930's
am220uss 2 years ago
am220uss, sources I need sources, how many thousand before D-Day??? Vermont Governor and US amabassador
Madeline Kunin's brother said they all got refused entry into the US=thousand of austrian jews, I got it from the horses mouth-we spoke swiss german he still had the Zurich accent
yurgy1 2 years ago
I said we took some not them all the Gov. might be one off those we did not take,but we did take at least 100,thousand, the number you used . Horses do not talk did the Gov. put this in writing and where do we find it. Also we were in a depression ,people were starving, there were not enough jobs for Americans letting in 6 million Jews and others would have been wrong. FDR was president of the U.S. not of the Europeans.Where did you ever get the idea that everybody has the right to come here
am220uss 2 years ago
am220uss, In my native land we had a jewish woman as president decades ago, Einstein was very well respected even when he went to the open market to buy vegetables in his pyjamas people loved the distracted professor, my grand-ma saw him often as a child, his eldest son Herrmann was a soldier in the swiss army during ww2
yurgy1 2 years ago
So what. This has nothing to do with the internment and relocation. You are just searching for something you can use to bash the U.S. with.
am220uss 2 years ago
am220uss, only 3 countries never made their MEA CULPA any about their war-crimes or crimes against humanity =Japan, USA, Turkye and yes the catholic church so whats the problem
yurgy1 2 years ago
The U.S. doesn't have to apologize because we did nothing wrong. Japan's
denial is a joke after the rape of Nanking
the masscar at Manila , the death march,
the 37% death rate among POWs. etc. and this isn't about Turkey or the catholic church
am220uss 2 years ago
am220uss, US denial or Japanese denial the difference you are a super-power, bombing of Laos-Vietnam=1,7 million civilian dead or Nanking 2 milion dead differrence you won the war, death-march of the Cherokee indians and genocide of natives by US govmnt. still nobody judges victors same B.S.
yurgy1 2 years ago
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan - Historical Issues Q&A:
Q8: What is the view of the Government of Japan on the incident known as the "Nanjing Massacre"?
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) mofafaq16q8
"The Government of Japan believes that it cannot be denied that following the entrance of the Japanese Army into Nanjing in 1937, the killing of a large number of noncombatants, looting and other acts occurred."
rivetgunner 2 years ago
The japanese govt. continues to down-play the extent of the horrible things that
were done. China has forced them to at least admit to some. there are plenty off other incidents of japans savagery in the Philippines, Java, Korea, Guam , Okinawa, Sipan and Wake Island.
am220uss 2 years ago
The Sand Creek Massacre
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) ltflvw
The PhilippineAmerican War:
War crimes
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) l9j55q
My Lai Massacre:
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) 2y9w6f
rivetgunner 2 years ago
At sand creek the whites were milita not army troops and Col. Covington was brought up on charges. less 180 died.
At My lai I believe less than 30 died and Lt. Cally was brought up on charges.
I have not studied the Philippine American war but i do know it was very savage fighting on both sides. The cheyenne dog soldiers were extremely savage fighters also, The viet cong used women and children ,wore no uniforms and used every dirty trick. They wiped out whole villages with flame throwers
am220uss 2 years ago
7th Cavalry Regiment (United States)
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) kw49ax
When Law Fails: Making Sense of Miscarriages of Justice
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) kjsebf
"Yet Calley served only four months in prison before he was pardoned by President Richard Nixon, and today he manages a jewelry store in his home town of Columbus, Georgia. Others involved in My Lai were acquitted or not prosecuted."
Gulf of Tonkin Incident
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) 3chn96
rivetgunner 2 years ago
Iwane Matsui
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) lb7lno
"He was convicted of war crimes and sentenced to death by hanging by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East for being responsible for the Nanking Massacre."
rivetgunner 2 years ago
You say " sentenced to death by a international militar Tribunal " I would guess that was after the defeat of japan. Where as Calley was sentenced by the U.S. making it clear that killing of civilians was not tolerated. The scale of the rape of nanking is in no way comparable to
My Lai . Calley lost his head while facing an enemy that wore no uniforms played
friendly farmer in daylight and killed at night. Everything he did the viet cong did on a much larger scale.
am220uss 2 years ago
Saburo Ienaga
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) l4qslh
rivetgunner 2 years ago
Source please.
am220uss 2 years ago
goggle or yahoo type US-war-crimes Vietnam-Laos and then just do your own research
yurgy1 2 years ago
Your the one making the charges ,it is up to you to provide some evidence. Thats the way it works. Are you that ignorant that you don't know it is up to you to provide a source.
am220uss 2 years ago
am220uss, I gave you plenty of sources but you're not interested in so, why would you in your eyes the US could never do anything wrong thats it them LOVE YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA
yurgy1 2 years ago
Show me one source. "Google it" is not a acceptable source at any school I
have taught at.
am220uss 2 years ago
shame on the president during this time letting this happen
SmErJMuSiC 2 years ago
This is just wrong how the Japanese Americans are treated like this suffering in interment camps from lack of food and other stuff since lots of food are being sent to American soldiers in WWII and know one cares to send food to the Japanese Americans in the camps just because their Japanese thats why so many Japanese American elders who lived through this don't like Cacasians sad how this worlds like this with many horrible things going on like war
SmErJMuSiC 2 years ago
There was rationing of food for all americans. I still have my ration book. The japanese in the camps had as much to eat as anybody and in most cases more. If japanese Americans don't like
it here they are free to leave . This is not Cuba. War is a horrible thing and it is sad that Japans sneak attack on Pearl Harbor caused it. Japan interned more than we did under very harsh conditions. Thousands died.
am220uss 2 years ago
And that was the fault of the nisei or what? the 442nd RCT was the most decorated US-unit in this war with one of the highest casualty rates. And then also german submarines operated at the east coast and the gulf of mexico. Were people of german or italian ancestry relocated? NO!
thrashorbethrashed 2 years ago
There was no threat of invasion from the
germans or italians their navies had been destroyed by the Brits before we entered the war and you cannot invade a country the size of the U.S. with submarines. The japanese had the aircraft carriers and troop ships that are necessary for an invasion and the battle ships needed to defend against it were at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. That is why there was relocation on our west
and not on our East coast. There was
internment of selected individuals.
am220uss 2 years ago
The internment of the JA was not due to the threat of spying. It was for economic and financial gains of the greedy. This was a simple land grab. The JAs were establishing themselves as a force in the Calif agricultual industry and increasing the ownership of farmlands.
The white farmers used their political influence to "scare" the legislature to enact 9006 to "evict" the JAs off their properties, than buy the farms at a major discount. Thereby gaining more land and marketshare.
pauhana50 2 years ago
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You say this was all about agriculture. I f this is so why did FDR not just deport them . Then there would have been no chance of them returning and it would have been allot cheaper.The Swedish ship Gripsholm was making regular trips
to exchange people.
am220uss 2 years ago
If that caucasian was recruited or given instructions by a japanese than he is guilty Where did his orders and payment come from did they fall out of the sky. read about the Naiihau incident or the tropicana spy ring or the japanese cab driver in honolulu or dr. mori the dentist. Research espionage not the internment if you want to learn about spies.
am220uss 2 years ago
There were two types of camps , and two seperate operations first came the internment which started a few hours after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor,
targeted only suspected individuals that we thought might be engaged in espionage and was run by the dept. of Justice. Germans ,Japanese , italians and even Romainians were interned. In 1942 more germans and europeans were interned than japanese. Months later came the relocation which was
because we feared invasion on our west coast.
am220uss 2 years ago
The relocation targeted all japanese and was run by a temporary agency called the War Relocation Authority. The japanese were moved east away from any invasion zone to get them out of the way. Japanese aliens living in the American
territory of the Philippines assisted the invading Japanese Army a few weeks after Pearl Harbor .There was no threat of invasion on the East coast as the German and italian navies had already been defeated by the Brits. So there was no relocation on the East coast
am220uss 2 years ago
WWII was a declared war. It was not a small time action like we have today. We were facing 3 powerful countries and losing everywhere. Our military was unprepared. We were not the military super power we are today.
Our entire economy was reworked for the war effort, even food was rationed ( I still have my ration book ) There has never been a declared war since WWII. and never has our nation been at such risk
since. All the others mentioned were not declared war.
am220uss 2 years ago
.Enemy aliens did not have to be convicted of anything to be interned. All countries at war did it, including Canada, Mexico, England, barzil and Japan. It is allowed by international law and the Geneva conventions. It is In part for their own protection . " civilians who find themselves under the authority of the adverse party must be protected against all acts of viloence." Also FDR had information showing the existance
of a large spy ring on the west coast.
am220uss 2 years ago
@am220uss
RIght.....
And if we follow your logic, all American of German descent should have been interned during WW2, all American of Cuban descent should have been interned during the Cuban missiles crisis, all American of eastern European descent should have been interned during the whole 50 years of the cold war. ETC ETC ETC.....
SERIOUSLY.......
What''s wrong with you ?
Let's be serious for a minute........
neovannn 2 years ago
You seem to have missed the fact that Germans, italians, and even Romainians were interned during WWII sometime in camps right next to the japanese. All the other things you mentioned were not declared wars. In declared war international law allows the internment of enemy aliens In the U.S. we took the entire houshold to avoid leaving dependants without support
am220uss 2 years ago
Seriously ,what is wrong with you that you would post without historical knowledge of the subject ?. You get serious and do some research them apply simple logic and you can answer your own questions.
Your comparisons are absurd and show you lack a grasp of history and how things work. You are probably young,
I lived through the times we are discussing.read and learn from my posts.
am220uss 2 years ago
@am220uss
You can say whatever you want as a justification like "other countries did it" or "it was for their protection" or "Life was hard during war" or "there might have been spies among them".
Honestly..... none of this justify to put a whole category of the population (Who were all American citizens, born on U.S soil, innocent of any crimes and who had nothing to do with the then "Empire of Japan") in camps = including the children.
neovannn 2 years ago
( who were all American citizens born on U.S. soil )? You are elther uneducated or lying. 43,000 were enemy aliens born in Japan.) 7,500 were members of a secret japanese only society sworn to " do the emperors will " Many young had been sent to Japan for schooling and received military training. Just one spy could have been responsible for the death of
thousands. Troop ships with thousands of men aboard were leaving the west coast. There were nine Japanese sobs
operating there in 1942.
am220uss 2 years ago
There were 9 Japanese submarines operating of our west coast in 1942
A slow troop ship would have been an
easy target if it could be located. If you doubt the damage one spy can do behind enemy lines research Richard Ried a Australian coast watcher and how he hurt the Japanese Navy..
am220uss 2 years ago
@am220uss
If you don't see the immorality of this... not much can be done for you...
There are some things that can't be justified, even though they might have been legal at the time.
= Slavery for example, i'm not gonna say today that it was right because it was ABSOLUTELY legal at the time and because A LOT of other countries did it for centuries.
neovannn 2 years ago
You can not judge 1942 wartime America by your 21st century morality that exists no
where but in your mind. There is no Utopia and never was. Who's morality should we use to govern the world yours ? maybe some other people have something to say here. We are a nation of laws. International law was on our side.
You are so naive. Who made your new morality some professor sitting safe in his ivory tower office 60 yrs. after the fact.
Has your life ever been on the line?
am220uss 2 years ago
@am220uss
Oh sure....
With the kind of mentality of yours, everything is "just fine" as we don't live in an Utopian world.
The genocide of Native Americans was fine, slavery was fine, the use of Napalm on civil population in Vietnam was fine.....
That's OK for the government to do whatever they want, it will be just FINE.....
Because after all, who cares about morality ? Or what's right or wrong ? = Doesn't matter.
ironic
neovannn 2 years ago
Have you ever been in the military where
your life was at risk? As I said there are others who's opinions matter , not Just yours and the opinion of those like myself who put there lives on the line far outweighs your pie in the sky morality. Who decides what is right or wrong You?
Or should it be our laws. All our enemies have fought just a savagely as us and in most cases more so.
am220uss 2 years ago
@am220uss
One simple question :
Do you think that the concept of "War crime" should exist ?
neovannn 2 years ago
Yes ,if something is done that violates international law of the time. War crimes are nor based on somebody shouting out their morality. No nation ever request that FDR be put on trial for the internment or relocation. International law was on his side and a nation has a right to protect itself. The camps were visited by the international Red Cross and represenatives from Spain and other neutral countries no charges of neglect or any other problem were ever made.
am220uss 2 years ago