Aid to Africa Debate: David Rieff (2 of 14)

[charbonelle]

Africans can redeem control over their land and resources by accumulating and ministering capital, organize industry catering to under-served [low -income i.e the global majority] markets by way of commercial enterprise in the form of :

Social Enterprise --(Social Programs that are turn into businesses)

Small and Medium Enterprise -- (Businesses that use a franchise model)

Co-operative Corporation -- ( Integrates: credit unions, worker co-op and R&D)

In this way Africans can be self-reliant.

[shitonMOHAMMAD]

@charbonelle

who the fuck are "Africans"? Do you mean those canibalistic machete waving savages in Zaire or Congo? Those genital eating savages in South Africa? You mean Americna blacks, they are not Africans!

[charbonelle]

@shitonMOHAMMAD

Africans are people who inhabit a part of the world currently known as Africa which come from the indigenous languages spoken in Carthage by people known as the Afri, hence the term Africa.

What should be done about these "canibalistic machete waving savages in Zaire or Congo? Those genital eating savages in South Africa" ? What would you suggest that they do to solve their problem?

American blacks are African in origin if not please tell me where they come from.

[shitonMOHAMMAD]

@charbonelle

the "Afri" were Semitic people who originated in what is now Lebanon and were descended from Amorites, the ancestors of Carthaginians and Phoenicians. American blacks are indeed descended from SUB-SAHARAN Africa, unrelated to North Africans who are Caucasian. They happen to be AMERICAN now, whatever "African" cultural heritage they had died with them within generations of being slaves. They have no more in common culturally with the Ashanit, Songhai, Hausa etc...

[charbonelle]

"the "Afri" were Semitic people..." if that is true, then Afri is a semetic language spoken by people in what was known as Carthage...hence the source of the name AFRICA ...am I incorrect?

"American blacks are indeed descended from "SUB-SAHARAN" Africa..." By "African in origin", I mean the beginning, starting-point, CAUSE, or ultimate source, from which a thing is derived or generated...hence "American blacks" exist beCAUSE they where brought from the continent of AFRICA...am I incorrect?

[donbyro1]

Aid money == terrorism sponsorship. Most dictators unleashed terrible suffering to its citizens are backed by some kind of foreign government (especially europeans, americans and most recently the chinese). Stop sponsoring terrorism in africa. Remember karma is a bitch.

[oakmeal53]

its obvious that ...

1) Aid either does more harm than good

and/or

2) Africans cannot effectively rule themselves

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

Idiot! Africans have ruled themselves for 250,000 years! Who helped the Americans become a powerful Nation? Who helped the Japanese rise in the early 20th century and beyond? Who helped the Chinese become a leading economic power? Each Nation or people rises within itself and recognize the need to embrace the best method of economic sustainability. Limited government, free market and free trade offer the best alternative to that goal and WE Africans must embrace its record.

[oakmeal53]

@AFRIKTODAY

thats a great speech brother. but maybe you forgot a few things.  like..... oh i dont know.... corruption, running civil wars, AIDS/HIV epidemics, negative GDP growth, blatant racism, rape, flight of capital, ect ect ect ect. i DO hope africa gets on its feet. but its past is not the picture that you suggest it is. explain to me please again how great africa is?

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

I don't know what you mean! Every people use its past as a spring, a foundation for its future. Americans are living better today than 200 years ago thanks to innovation and the rise of Human dignity, but as a Nation and government, the US is loosing its ground and respectability. Africa is not ONE nation but a set of different cultures and civilizations. Ghana is a better place than Congo or Mali, in as much as France is better than Slovenia and Roumania!

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

AIDS is not spread everywhere in Africa! There is very little aids in Senegal, Mali, Ghana or Burkina but much more in SAF and Lesotho! You have to learn to distinguish each and every country for every African Nation has its own set of problems. The monolithic approach to Africa, or any other Nation is naive and pretty unintelligent. Stop being lazy!

Yes, America is falling, from within! If that's a lie, dare to debunk it!

[oakmeal53]

@AFRIKTODAY

unfortunatally for you pal it does not work that way. YOU must prove to ME that America is falling apart. Because im sitting here with my excellent standard of living with safety going to my higher-education school getting there via excellent infrastructure. you keep telling yourself our country is in ruins while i dine on steak tonight and our aircraft carriers patrol the seas in search of anyone foolish enough to mess with America. Im listening.

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

come on, you couldn't be blinder! What is the Federal government total debt in 2010, 63 trillions, the trade deficit is humangous, banking sector is dying because of the too big too fail mentality in DC, the wars all over the world are taking their toll on people, there are even secessionist movements in the south on the rise ( again)! The country has problems, not to the scale of Many Africans country indeed, but if left unresolved, thing might get worser!

[oakmeal53]

i couldnt be blinder eh? i live here bub and trust me were not going under. debt? of course every country has debt. our debt as a % of GDP is not uncommon in any of the developed countries. show me a country that has NOT had bank failures recently. I have been to war and its not "taking a toll" in fact military recruiting is up! never even heard of your "secessionist movements". your generalities sound great in your bigoted brain but they are invalid in real life.

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

Tanzania is not a bad country to live in, so is Botswana, Ghana, Senegal, even Benin! Morroco is alright, so is Tunisia! I mean, you wouldn't want to encompass Haiti and Guatemala with the US and Canada! But they are all American Nations! Please, once again, learn to distinguish countries and cultures. Historically, Africans are connected but they are also very different and distinguishable when you " LEARN' about them!

[oakmeal53]

@AFRIKTODAY

well thats good to hear! thats the beauty of free will my friend. you stay in your apparently amazing african nations, and Ill stay here in the most powerful prosperous nation that has ever existed.

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

Yea really! I wish the Native Americans could have said the same thing to your ancestors a while back! So much for your " I stay in my country crap"! It is amazing how ignorant some people are! You wares are made in majority in China, you would rather drive a Japanese car or German, your labor force in Technological field are mainly asians,and you even have to cop out Keynians to win Olympic long distance runs! I happen to live in the US you know!

[oakmeal53]

"i stay in my country crap"????? uh... haha ok. ignorant? my my you are an excellent judge of character based on youtube comments. please explain how its ignorant to love my safety and high standard of living? and how its ignorant that my goods are made in china? your arguments make no sence you are always off topic. cars and olympics now? come on. you suck at arguing!

[AFRIKTODAY]

@oakmeal53

I am judging you from what you write! My arguments are not off topic at all. The dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913! Inflation is rampant in some major sectors of society ( Healthcare, education, even housing!). The military is over-extended in useless conflicts ( The japanese prime minister has just resigned because of the US military bases in their country). The US used to be the most respected country in the world, it is now the most hated! continuing!

[633390]

@AFRIKTODAY  i thought it was always the most hated

[kuken3000]

Now when europeans and america have access to 80% of africas resources, which they build during the colonization is a lot easier to cut the Aid for africans.

We rob them, now we let them die of hunger!

[fremargar]

Jackburton2009,

Your NOTHING, but a JACKASS. Where the FUCK did you get your statistics saying people from Sub-Shara Africa have an IQ of 70. I'm a proud African from Sub-Shara and you have no such proof for your hideous claim!!! In fact civilization formed in Sub-Shara Africa, the only reason it did not develop to its full potential is because of white raciest people like you. WHo went to Africa and stole all OUR resources. You should be ashamed of your IGNORANCE!!!

[jackburton2009]

They weren't high civilizations, they didn't give the world anything. They were merely trading outposts to North Africa and the Middle East. They are mixed populations as well.

Sub-Saharan populations, who are truly black, remained warring hunter-gatherer tribes until they encountered Europeans and Arabs.

No European civilization ever fell and the people reverted to savages living in abject poverty who couldn't even feed their own people.

[jackburton2009]

The average IQ of sub-Saharan Africa is 70.

An IQ of 70 is borderline retarded.

Is giving a retarded child a million dollars and access to the best education going to turn him into Einstein? No.

Giving aid is not going to change the fact that they are a dysfunctional people. All it's going to do is increase their population and cause more suffering.

[THATMANizzED]

"Giving aid is not gonna change the fact that theyre disfunctional as a people" What if you knew that they weren't disfunctional, but were very capable of establishing and sustaining a highly organized civilization? Many white Americans are severly uneducated about history outside of America. African history subjects to look up: 1) Sankore 2) Tomb of Askia 3) Kaleb of Aksum 4) Makeda 5) Aksumite Empire 6) Meroetic Script 7) Great Zimbabwe ruins 8) Dhar Tichitt ruins 10) Mansa Musa

[jackburton2009]

"What if" money grew on trees and monkeys could fly.

Let's deal with reality.

Many Afrocentrists propagate nonsense and historical fantasy to suit their ego.

If they were capable of high civilization they would have already created it and would be living in one today.

There are native black African writers who actually say giving aid is a bad thing. Others too say they were better off under white rule.

[THATMANizzED]

They DID create a high civilization. Axum, Mali Empire, Nubia, etc. Everyone except white Americans KNOW that Africans have created high civilizations. It's a proven fact. The act of throwing your cap in the air during graduation was started at Sankore University.

Just because Africans are in a time of turmoil doesn't mean anything. All ppl rise, fall, and rise again. Europe, in the 13th and 14th century, had thier time of turnoil, but they recovered. So too will Africa.

[AFRIKTODAY]

@jackburton2009

America is falling, the dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913 and the middle class in America is dwindling everyday! America couldn't lead the world for one century! That's pretty pathetic in comparison to the previous empires like ancient egypt that lasted for 3500 years, the romans, persians, arabs and even british!