I thought for sure it would say "will become our first retarded President" and go to a picture of Bush. It's frightening how similar there history is.
Shouldn't they have picked an individual with LESS in common with Barack Obama? As time passes this President while not directly responsible for the extermination of any one race, has certainly shown himself to be a manipulative, dishonest person. Not sure we are better off having had this narcissistic, self-absorbed man having been born. He is void of any conviction, and will do whatever it takes to stay in power.. Obama is an EPIC failure, & has divided this country like never before.
Over one million children killed every year, and somebody thinks it funny to make a video like this??
Abortion is ugly, it is cruel, it is disgusting. Whether performed at one month or four months, it is the ripping of a child from the ONE place he should feel safe, his mother's womb. Since when was that ok?
@amazieng Yeah...... Let's make abortion illeagal. Then there will be no more abortions. Just like drugs are illeagal, armed robbery is illeagal, arson is illeagal etc.etc. etc..
@panterguy At least we could say, as a country, that we don't support what is going on. By making it legal, we support it, and I can assure that at least a few people would stop themselves before doing it because it was illegal. Not to mention, we need to set up more crisis pregnancy centers for those in need, so they can have more options.
@amazieng Fetuses cannot 'feel' anything, are not even self-aware. We all start out as unthinking, unfeeling, developing chunk of human meat and are instinctually programmed to scream, cry, and grasp for the first months of our life once born out of pure survival instincts. It takes time to develop personhood- that begins well after birth, well after the NEED for abortion. Nothing of value is lost in an abortion- just a potentiality that could go either way, but is most likely to end badly.
@ryddelwearsahat How can you talk about yourself that way? You can't.
There is no difference between what you are and what a human fetus is. The only distinction is your stage in development. Are the elderly less human because they have somehow passed legal personhood? When is human life ever not precious? When exactly might you say this personhood begins if not at conception? When the heart beats? When the fetus learns to cry? How about when it learns to tie his shoe or eat on his own?
@amazieng So as a fetus I had worldly knowledge, memories, opinions, beliefs, and dreams? Favorite foods, music, and so on? Try again w/o the rediculousness. Personhood develops at around 5/6 months AFTER birth- when the newly 'awoken' brain has had enough stimuli to properly process and store information and begin formulating opinion, using memory, ect. Crying is not learned, it is genetically programmed as a survival instinct.
@ryddelwearsahat So you think someone stuck in a wheelchair, with no memory or ability to talk, is not a person? In other words, you believe killing Terri Schaivo was ok because she wasn't a person?
@amazieng If there is no brain activity, no memory, and the body is held on life-support alone, then that is called being a vegetable, braindead. No, a human in that condition is not a person.
@ryddelwearsahat Do you realize what you are saying? If you got into an accident, lost your ability to speak or move, would it be okay for people to simply decide to kill you?
There was a man who had been in a state like that for years, and one nurse suddenly noticed his finger moving, and insisted they test him further, and they found that with surgery, he could fully function again. All those years paralyzed, and he was self-conscious the whole time. He was lucky;they were going to kill him.
@amazieng People w/ alzheimers still think, feel, opinionate. Fuck the doctors who never tested or properly examined that paralyzed man, before- did they never bother to hook him up to an EKG, or w/e it's called(I forget lol) that reads brainwaves? Or was this way back in the day? Do not play w/ words or mince contexts and definitions to try to defend or attack me- stupidity is not the argument, neither is being mentally handicapped. I'm talking about actual brain-shutoff or LACK OF FUNCTION.
@ryddelwearsahat Sorry, I don't mean to insult you. I just want to let it be known that personhood is not measured by abilities. It's measured by WHAT you ARE not what you DO or CAN do. This man, btw, had no functions, not until he had the surgery could he talk. Technology is gradually getting better, and so they are catching this kind of thing sooner, but people still continue to think that a fetus is just "a chunk if meat" and that a "vegetable" is equally worthless. Both are still human.
@amazieng I find it insulting, repeatedly, to compare completely different situations and circumstances w/ legal and moral killing. A paralyzed man is not the same as a developing fetus, or a truly braindead human, or the long-term comatose w/ minimal brain activity.
@ryddelwearsahat WHY is a braindead person or a human fetus nit a human being? From the beginning, a fetus has DNA, and the distinction between being boy or girl. DNA can determine more than just the parents, it can determine personality as well. If the fetus has DNA, and DNA is what determines personality, then why can't you say it already HAS personality? Why can't you say that a fetus is a human being?
@ryddelwearsahat But alright, what IF the personality doesn't develop until later on? Then we still have the question of "when?" but can I just ask you what exactly do you think determines a human being? If only fully developed humans are people, or human beings, then that would mean killing people is justified in the case if teenagers and children. That is why you are confusing me; I don't understand what you think IS the determining factor IMMORAL killing.
@amazieng That doesn't matter b/c once born a child can be adopted.. you can't give up a fetus until birth. Needless is needless. A complete human being is a complete human body- normal growth or possible disabilities set aside. Person, human, and human being do NOT all mean the same thing, especially in societal opinion or context. No, you cannot justify killing an infant, child, or teen- b/c you don't HAVE to care for it. You can give it up to the state IMMEDIATELY. Dna itself is meaningless.
@ryddelwearsahat But what if I cut off my finger? Or had my reproductive organs removed because I had cancer? Am I then not a human being?
So what I do understand from you is that as long as a baby is in the womb it's ok to kill it, because...the mother has to care for it? And an infant is not fully human, but it is not ok to kill it? Because it can be turned over to the state? So it's only immoral to kill if it's illegal to kill?
@amazieng Was the body previously whole before altered? Like I said- even including those who are handicapped.. a complete human being is a complete human. Trying to wheedle and word-play your way down to re-definitions and techincalities to avoid the overall context, which is obviously understood by you if you are reaching this far and this specifically, does nothing for your argument except prove that you are reaching. Needless killing is needless- an infant can be adopted, can't it?
@ryddelwearsahat Then why, might I ask, can a mother not WAIT a few months? Like you say, it's needless killing. KILLING. Abortion is killing a child. And about the body, if a vegetable is a full human BEFORE being altered, then it can't be moral to kill him. A complete human being is a complete human being, ergo mental handicaps are no less hindering to a person's humanity than physical handicaps, because if the person has had full function before, then he is still human. Right?
@amazieng You cannot legally Or morally force one human to assume responsibility for another- that is slavery. Slavery is immoral, right? You cannot legally or morally force a human to let ANOTHER human use their body in a way they don't to to, correct? That is rape, rape is immoral, correct? Forced-parenthood, or rather, forced-pregnancy is rape/slavery interchangeably. Lethal force is quite moral and legal to prevent/stop rape, kidnapping, assault, even carjacking, burglary, ect.. Get it?
@ryddelwearsahatExcept in rape or other unfortunate incidences, a woman DOES have her own choice. Sex makes babies, duh, and contraception is unreliable.Parenthood is not forced on anyone when they CHOSE to engage in sexual activities. The original purpose of sexual acts was that of having children. When people try to pretend that the two things, sex and babies, don't go hand in hand, they are denying the course of life.
@ryddelwearsahat If adoption is an option as soon as the infant is born, then how is it a forced parenthood? Pregnancy is the result of sexual activity. Everyone knows that, and should take full responsibilty for their actions. If you have sex, you will have children. There is no question. Contraception is a false security net.
@amazieng Stop lying about me and my personal history, and why I had sex, first of all. Your pots are void until you can accept that I did not consent to parenthood at 14, and rejected the idea wholly by having my partner wear a condom. Get over it and accept that your ideas about sex are not shared by everyone, and are ideas, not facts, and the infallible FACT of the matter is, BC=NO I don't want kids, thanks anyway.
@ryddelwearsahat WHEN did I say anything about you? Fourteen year olds should not have sex. as I said before, birth control, ie contraception, is unreliable. Pills are unhealthy, mess with your body, are synthetic hormones. It's healthier to practice abstinence. And condoms can break, accept the risk.
And listen, I'm going to stop there, because you're obviously hurt by something, and I know I am not the one who brought up anything to do with your personal life.
@amazieng Too bad. i still had sex w/ no intention of getting pregnant. Saying the shit you are saying is a direct rejection and attack on my personal history. It is what you WANT, but it is not 100% true. Having sex at 14 was a dumb mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened, and still happens now, and will continue to do so. I'm not hurt by anything, I am offended that you think your opinions about sexuality&birth control are facts applicable to everyone. Disappear if you want.
@ryddelwearsahat So basically you make up shit and try to turn it into your own set of moral values. GREAT! Everybody do what you want! We all have our own individual moral code! It's our choice!!!!
Listen, whether you want to believe it or not, there is such a thing as objective truth, as in truth that applies to everyone. Sex makes babies. Contraception is the false assurance for not getting pregnant. Abortion is murder.
@amazieng Oh lulz. Yeah- don't like what you hear, so it's lies- like I haven't heard that one before. Well, atleast you didn't do what that one catholic bitch did and tell me I 'chose' to be abused as a child.. lol! Sex makes babies, but contraception prevents it, or it is intended to, anyway. There you go- fix'd that for you. What is love-making, masturbation, fucking, pornography, homosexuality, fetish? What is rape, prostitution, pedophilia, zoophilia? What are birth control, adoption, -c
-c abortion? What are their intentions? Please explain ALL of them- I'd LOVE to see your 'objective truth' of the non-existence and non-intentions and non-uses of all these things.. Also.. are you religious? Just curious. B/c a fetus is not a person and you cannot 'murder' a non-person, and sex is a lot more to humans that reproduction and to deny that is to deny your own human nature and programming, not to mention everyone else's..
@ryddelwearsahat Whatever you may have done, accept the truth about its morality. Don't lie to yourself trying to justify it. Accept and try to do better in the future. I'm sorry if I'm being callous, but I don't understand why you think the way you do.
@amazieng I think the way I do b/c I am living proof that your idealogies are bullshit and wishful thinking at best. Let me put it this way- if I'd done it your way, and died and so did the brat or it/we both ended up in a prostitution ring, or in state services getting beaten, even RAPED by other kids/teens or died on the street, any of that shit.. you'd never know. It happens everyday- do you know? Do you care? My life is 100% better for my choice at 14. Biology & living history are not lies.
@amazieng I'm married, educated, am pregnant and 6 1/2 mos. along. I am pretty, healthy, well-loved and, once I'm no longer pregnant, will be well-employed once again. It took living hell and actual crime- drug dealing and prositution- to get where I am today. Ever suck a dick to pay for rent, food, transportation, college, AND your handicapped mother's needs at 17? I have. It was hell w/o a child... w/ a child in tow, I'd likely be dead. FUCK state services, FUCK THE CHURCH, you are ALONE.
I am telling you now: you wanted to do the right thing, which was help your mother and become an educated person so you could basically have a normal, healthy life.
I don't really know anything about you except for what you have said here, but I'm asking you not to judge me the way you THINK I've judged you. I've experienced things I know you haven't. I've had my share of hell. Which is why I now want to defend the lives being lost everyday to the selfishness of America.
@amazieng Yeah, I did what was right and responsible. Survival and prosperity to do better tomorrow is not selfish. Selfish is sacrificing an already-existing PERSON for the POTENTIALITY of a person that you HOPE will actually enjoy the less-than-decent 'life' forced on it. Rape and slavery are not justifiable even if it 'saves' a 'baby' that doesn't even exist yet, just to make someone else happy. You want to do good? Get a job like mine- nurse the handicapped and elderly!
@ryddelwearsahat Life at all stages us precious. No one person's life is more valuable then the next. A mother who has an abortion has done more than destroy the potentiality of the child she could have had, but she also says her life is worth more, before she even KNOWS the baby she will have, before she even news for sure how its life or hers will turn out. She destroys all hope, she snuffs out life before it's given the chance to grow, she's "nipped it in the bud." Even if you don't ...
@ryddelwearsahat ...don't believe it's a person yet, you must admit that abortion destroys hope. Nobody is willing to trust or hope in anyone else, anymore. A woman thinks her life is better without a baby. She thinks a baby will ruin her career, cost money, or simply be another responsibility. But what does she know unless she's actually taken time to love her own child. If nothing else for you, I hope you love your son or daughter like a mother should. Often, women who have already...
@ryddelwearsahat ...women who have already had children wish they could nip their third or fourth pregnancy in the bud. They have had too much stress, money problems, or just problems in general with their children and they don't want those problems again. Little do women actually care to brace themselves for the pangs and pains of motherhood so that they are caught unaware of what comes with a baby. Perhaps they didn't have time to prepare, or they were too young to know better, but that is ...
@ryddelwearsahat ...that is why one takes time to THINK before making the choice if having sex. That is also why it's advises to wait until you are married or AT LEAST have a steady job before putting yourself at risk for pregnancy. And going back to love, these are two things to consider when engaging in sex: are you prepared to take care of and love any baby that may come and do you love your partner? That is one of the many reasons why rape and prostitution are so horrible...
@ryddelwearsahat ... It is so horrible because there us no preparation for the future of a child, and there is no love. You say contraception=no baby/fetus/pregnancy. You say it is the same as saying no to getting pregnant, but if you don't want to get pregnant with your partner, doesn't that mean you either don't trust him, or don't love him, or both? Or maybe you're just unprepared to have children. In that case, if you aren't prepared or responsible enough to have children, maybe you...
@ryddelwearsahat ...maybe you shouldn't be engaging in sexual activity. But it's called "love-making" for a reason. It isn't for that false love known as lust, but for that real love. It is for that real love one should have for their spouse and children. Sex is a completion of love between a man and a woman, a full giving of yourself to the other. To have sex with someone, you must trust them, you must love them, you must be willing to share the rest of your life with them...
@ryddelwearsahat ...Love is something human, something without which, we have no purpose. I could answer all your questions if you really wanted me to do so; if you don't want to read it, though, then I might as well be writing for a wall or something.
In answer to one of your questions: yes, I have a faith, if that's what you mean. I'm sorry the Catholic who talked to you and told you that was a bitch. One thing I know for sure is that few Christians understand what their faith really...
@ryddelwearsahat ...understand what their faith really means. If they did, they would know better how to treat people.
You find bad apples everywhere, and heaven knows there are plenty of misunderstood people out there who have their hearts in the right place. You can't judge a whole faith or the idea if religion from your experience with people alone. You have to look into it more than that.
@amazieng My problem w/ religious people, in general, is that they can't read. Or that they are all, to a horrendous extent, mad-ass hypocrites who attack, excuse, and justify for a petty idealogy. The one who don't are the terrorists, and THAT is scarier. Your opinions on sex have nothing to do w/ anyone else unless their sexual activity involve you or someone else and puts a person at risk or infringes on consent rights- a potential fetus is meaningless. I'm pregnant and keeping it, and -c
-c quite ready to have children, and face it all head-on w/o blinders or excuses or imaginary issues and pictures to 'make it easier'. Your approval, idealogies, and even your experience are moot when compared to other people- leave it to those experiencing it all and don't judge. I'm living proof that like, 90% of the pro'life' agenda is a fuckup failure. I love my husband to death- I don't need to reroduce w/ him to 'prove' I love him, and if you think that., you're fucked in the head, like -c
-c REALLY sick-fucked. If I had to choose between this child- his child- and him, trust me, there would be NO contest- my Kakky is everything. He sees me the same way- everything else- the money, jobs, family, everything- is superfluous to what we feel and see in eachother. Don't you DARE get up the nerve to tell ME what /I/ do and don't love and feel- especially about my own husband. This child is basically 'on a whim' b/c the pill fagged up. We're going to love it and all, but it was an -c
-c accident, for better or worse, and you can take that whoever you will, but our life together had nothing to do w/ children or anything- just eachother. Romantic dates and dances, walks, camping, movies, our love-making, the games we play and the parties we go to, and just.. words cannot ever begin to describe what I feel for him, and the way he reflects my intentions. He is a living dream in both looks and personality, and he's said the same to me so many times. So, in short- that is one -c
-c more theory of yours shot down, and gladly- to think that way is just.. so disrespectful. You have no right, whatsoever, to decide what other people feel for eachother based on whether or not they have/want kids. Go swallow a pistol for that one, demon.. That was just downright retarded and offensive of you.. seriously. just.. god-damn it... moving on: I don't believe abortion destroys anything except for developing tissue. I don't place value on humans b/c they are human.. to me, their -c
-c value is based on what they are worth to other people. Let me put it this way, in the form of a question nobody has yet to have the nerve to answer, or even acknowledge- what is the difference between shooting a rapist, and the rape victim? The preacher and the serial killer? The missionary and the warmonger? Let me answer for you- on person actively seeks to hurt and destroy and prey, the other does what they are fucking SUPPOSED to do as a social human animal and HELPS and CARES. -c
-c You don't know what a fetus can become when it is being carried- all you have is your imagination, and the knowledge of what things are right then and there, and what is most likely to occur in the near future based on circumstances. IF I'd done it YOUR way(this point too is usually left ignored or made fun of) and both me/the kid died, would you know... or care? Hardly. Considering it happens every day in all shapes&forms and noone 'notices', my predictions are far better than yours. Hope -c
-c is meaningless at times, trust me. Like when you put your hand in a fire and 'hope' it doesn't hurt. A homless 14yo w/ a child on the way who cannot trust CPS, the church, or her own home can 'hope' all she wants, but in the end.. she's going to die on the street, usually after getting raped/beaten/sold into prostitution/drug muling, getting STDs, and her child getting killed/sold into human trafficking- it happens a lot. Namely to homeless teens. Hope all you want- it makes you blind. -c
-c You play future-prediction games just as much as prochoicers, only thing is, statistics and personal experiences- like MINE- weigh heavily against you.. and you shrug it, and the VICTIMS of your narrow idealogies, off like shit on your shoe. ONE fetus could cure cancer- after 1000 others grow up w/ aids and die slowly, painfully, get sold into child porn-trafficking, get beaten/killed/ end up homeless, ect- and lead to even more suffering. You know nothing. It's just insulting.
@amazieng No, I did.. but the things you said to me were just.. totally off-base. Sue,. they might apply to some other people, but to me. Can you not accept that we are just different, and that is not necessarily a bad thing?
@ryddelwearsahat Maybe off the specific subject, but what I said relates, believe me.
I don't think being different is bad, but we are both human beings, and abortion us no light matter.
Bad things happen, innocent people suffer, but abortion doesn't solve problems. You can disagree all you want, but a fetus can feel pain, and is more than a chunk of meat. Look up "the silent scream."
@amazieng If you are against the aobriton I had at 14. are you then against the direct result of it- my being able to suport/educate myself,g et married, and have the child i now carry, and want and will be able to love and provide for? =) Careful, now.. Before 5 mos a fetus can't feel pain, and just so you know- I'm against late-terms for that reason. Also, the silent scream is a long-overdone hoax. Ask anyone who understand neurology- FETOLOGY- and ISN'T paid to speak by a church.
@ryddelwearsahat First, being able to support a family and the like were not direct results of the abortion. Were there no crisis pregnancy centers around to help?
Second, The Silent Scream is, I'll admit, people trying to make a point but definitely overdoing it. BUT, you are wrong about five months. A woman who worked with Planned Parenthood for 8 years wrote a book about her experience and why she stopped working for them. She wanted to reduce the amount of abortions by providing...
@ryddelwearsahat ...by providing women with more contraception and information on it, which she believed to be their goal. But in her book (Unplanned, by Abby Johnson) she has one chapter on why she finally decided to leave. She was working at a clinic, and was asked to be present at an abortion, to help with the ultrasound because that was the particular doctor's safest method. Watching the screen, she sees that the thirteen week old fetus looks just like her daughter did at that time...
@ryddelwearsahat ...when she sees the actual vacuum go in, she can SEE the fetus kicking around, sensing something wrong. She sees the fetus move and kick, ineffectively trying to escape this foreign object, and then she sees the fetus disappear down the tube. Now this is at thirteen weeks, a little over two months, far from the five mos you say a fetus can start feeling. If the fetus can't feel at thirteen weeks, then why could this one be seen trying to esape? ...
@amazieng Footage, please? Anything but a transcript from a suddenly-converted religious doctor? Images? You're talking about the really fat white chick w/ short hair, aren't you? Why is it, just out of curiosity, all these people only ever change their minds after becoming religious..? Also, whether or not the body can register touch, electrical and chemical impulse makes the body move- especially when it is being damaged. Kill a roach & squeeze the body- the lags twitch/splay even in death. -c
-c I know what I know about the human brain and it's development- I paid for my education in blood, integrity, and cold-hard-cash and studied like a crazy thing in night school, cram school, and regular college. If you want to believe otherwise, then fine- but kindly forget trusting any fetologist, neurologist, or stroke specialist or anyone else who DARES concur w/ proven fact and study about the brain. I don't care if a body twitches and jerks as it is ripped up- bodies do that.
@ryddelwearsahat It is because religion gets a person thinking about the purpose of life. That is why life is so important to "religious people", because each life has a purpose. Different religions differ on that point if view, but that is besides the point.
How come you find this so hard to believe? That other video, The Silent Scream, is actual footage. While I find the man's dialogue annoyin and distracting, that film itself is real....
@amazieng I don't need a 'purpose' to exist and be happy and strive. If you need to be told what to do, and how to think and feel, then you have some pretty shitty self-esteem there. The film is not real, trust me- even xtains(however few and far in-between vaguely-honest stains may be found) deny it as petty propaganda. But, either way.. what you have said does not apply to me, or everyone in general. It is very disrespectful to same-game mario everyone. Humans are not animals or clones.
@ryddelwearsahat Propaganda? There is so much propaganda that it's hard to determine fact from fiction. Planned Parenthood has its own line of propaganda as well. They have propaganda pretending that Maragret Singer wasn't racist, and that their purpose is to reduce abortions and unplanned pregnancies.
What are you referring to? I mean whatever did I say that "does not apply to everyone in general."
@amazieng Sanger was a racist old bitch, and that has nothing to do w/ abortion these days. I'm pro-choice and am certainly not racist. You're religious BS, and the crap you said to me before. I certainly don't need religion to have morals or to live my life.. so why bring religion into an argument concerning other people's rights and actions if they do not follow your belief structure? All the asses who quit their aobriton doc jobs also converted to faith: fuck their opinions, they're sheep.
@amazieng By the way, if I'm getting more&more vicious/hostile, i apologize in part. This is a sensitive subject to me for obvious reasons, and I cannot stand the blankness w/ which people take to this argument. In my experience very few people take into consideration that there is actually a real name and face and person and set of circumstances behind each&every abortion... and that everything is not black&white. I'm certainly not just a statistic- I'm real live history and experience.
@ryddelwearsahat Firstly, no, of course I dont remember my first five months of existence. At that stage, MEMORY is still developing. Not remembering it does not mean "I" was not present. Even at three and four years a child is still learning how to remember things properly. Are "you" not present at that certain event that you don't remember because maybe you drank too much? Does that mean it would have been perfectly moral to kill you?...
@amazieng Lol nice little play on context/intention. Does a drunk person have active brain activity/self0-awareness? Does a 5, 4, even 3 or 2yo? Yes.. does a fetus? Of course not. You know the meaning of self-awareness, memory, and consciousness in this context- don't try to play it off as something else entirely. I used to BE a xtain, and lost faith ages ago- you see, i actually READ the bible. also, do not defend a pedophilia-ring to me- anyone who trusts an ex-hitler youth should be sent to-c
-c a nuthouse for a mental re-evaluation. If it was more than personal opinion, everyone would be a stain, catheter, slummer, or satanist, or witch, or whateverthehell. Obviously religion IS a matter of personal opinion. No, I DON'T know where life originated from, nor do I care- you can sure as hell NOT thank the biblegod for life or existence, though. I DO understand religion, and that is why it disgusts me. Do you understand your own faith, and it's bloodstained /JUSTIFIED/ history? You are-c
-c talking to someone w/ degrees in history- world and american. I took a special interest in nazi history, and religious history in college and cram school b/c of the way such insanity affected my life personally. It is terrifying what you can learn about the origins of such filth. My focal point is treat people fucking RIGHT- Don't JUDGE or ASSUME, or superimpose my own wants, desires, and opinions over theirs and write their life off as inferior b/c they disagree w/ me. I mind my own damn-c
-c business. I donate to charity monthly- anywhere from 70-140$- the aspca, st judes, even the xtain children's fund. Before I got pregnant I worked full-time as a nurse for the handicapped and elderly, and loved every second of my job, even taking time OFF to care for my clients, spending my own money. A good amount of my personal friends are clients and their relatives. I don't need some tin god that promotes slavery, rape-marriage, homophobia and REAL MURDER to tell me how to feel love, or -c
-c how to treat others w/kindness. My morals came from common sense. So do my husband's- who is a profound atheist. His whole family are atheists- and they are amazing, kind, sweet people. They volunteer at nursing homes, pull together bake sales and funds for schools, all sorts of badass shit- the funny thing is, the stains and catheters who usually join in HATE them b/c they are 'so perfect they have to be fake'. It goes both ways- how many xtains praised jesus when Dr tiller got murdered? -c
-c You are basically telling me the sky is green w/ polka dots. Try again. Brain death cannot be undone like minor organ death- once the brain is dead, it is dead, end of story. Brain cells CANNOT revive or regenerate. It is all about time&extent of damage. You are trying to read too far into things- if anyone has a fucked up sense of self-worth here, or is in denial, it is the one who feels they need a hihher entity to do their thinking and feeling and living for them, instead of chasing -c
-c their own dreams and always seeking enlightenment and truth, and betterment. I don't regret a god-damn thing except for the fact that it all happened to BEGIN w/- it was just a pile of drama and bullshit I did not need. But my decision to abort was the right one at the time/place. And you have yet to answer my question- do you think this marriage and this future child should not exist, b/c it came about as a direct result of my abortion at 14? Please answer yes or no.
sorry, but you were rude. Your abortion did NOT directly relate to you being married right now. The two things are so different, and you know you could have tried adoption.
You killed a human being. You let it happen. And you don't know shit about what religion truly is, nor what the bible really means. Your basis for reason is... What? Common sense?? Do you even know what common sense IS?
@ryddelwearsahat ... You know what, I'm sorry, you offended me, and I was rude. Do you think I would be part of a faith I knew squat about? I read up on what the CHURCH actually says, not propaganda, and not what he media blows at you. The Church is not a pedophilia ring; I have known MANY priests, and not one of them was involved in that sort of thing.
But let's not go so far off topic.
I'm NOT making up what I say. I am simply using the true meaning of words. I dont know if your education...
@amazieng One question: Why does the catholic church struggle so desperately to cover up pedophilia charges and actual proven cases? Moving on. Actually, my options at 14 w/ a child were the following: homelessnes w/ or w/o a child in tow, at 14=no education, homelessness, poverty, bad stuff in general lol. Becoming state PROPERTY of the mutts who think bruise son the face are NOT child abuse(would you be safe there? tell me plz), w/ or w/o a child in tow, or staying at home and caring for a -c
-c child I did not want and could not support- my home being poor, violently abusive, ect, and I'd have to forego education to TRY to get a job, ect.. and generally fuck up my future.. or just get, you know.. beaten up and killed by my dad, who actually tried to kill me 3 years alter and went to prison for, leaving me to care for my handicapped mother w/o welfare, church aid, or anything.. which was why i had to prostitute myself and sell drugs to support us and pay for my education. NOW- w/ -c
-c a child in tow, or being homeless, or state property the chances of this happening were even slimmer.. pretty much nonexistant. If I did not have the time to devote to myself, my mother, and education/money gain to provide for just the two of us, I'd never have done college, afforded home, moving,e c,t or met my husband- it all directly led to my prosperity and my marriage. So, answer the question, or don't.. either way, if you are against abortion, you are against my marriage, and the -c
-c future child I currently carry. Yea, b/c homeless teen moms are SO much better than abortion. No, I did not have the option of adoption, b/c the state wolves should all be executed- lined up and shot in the face on public broadcast on primetime, for the shit they ignore and allow to happen. Tell me, PLEASE, lady- if you or your kid got held down and hit in the face w/ a belt, and some stupid bitch w/ a clipboard came and looked PAST the bruises and said nothing was wrong, would you EVER -c
-c trust them? I'd LOVE to hear your answer. FUCK CPs, fuck adoption, besides.. the whole reason I was stuck in the abusive home I had was b/c adoption was apparently wrong, and I'd never have been allowed to make that choice, what w/ dear ol dad being my mother's rapist and the reason she was forced to neither abort OR adopt but raise me.. Yeah, options? I don't think so. Hey, go watch my videos 'why i am prochoice' & the four-part 'proof god is evil' IF you can stomach it. Get an education. -c
-c Moving on, I don't give a SHIT if I'm rude- you, like plenty of other neonazis, deserve it and much more for having the gall to decide what other people do,do not experience, think, feel, and believe based on your own narrowminded idealogies. You can end this convo any time, but I'm not going to apologize for my honesty- as this goes on I'll probably get more and more of a bite, depending on whether or not you have the decency to leave religion out of an argument, especially if you are -c
@amazieng And lastly, no matter how much i disagree w/ your bullshit, I would NEVER have the nerve of the assholery-intent to tell you what you can/cannot think or feel, or believe, or deny your your own personal fucking history and experiences just to support my own political stances. I'm sure your own idealogies worked out fine for you- or you'd not adhere to them. But in the end, the control-freak here who cannot tolerate other people's differences is you not me. Now answer my questions plz.
-c trying to push a slavery-supportive, rape-marriage supportive, homophobia-inducing and murder-supportive faith as a 'base for morality'. Jesus approved of slavery- do you? Careful, now. You only pick&choose the photogenic, the good-looking bible quotes- all religious whackjobs and lairs do- then pretend everything else just never happened, was a 'metaphor' or is a lie.. or they pretend it is something different. Morality is whatever you personally believe to be good/bad, ect. You want an -c
@ryddelwearsahat You're pushing crap you made up. LOOK, I get that you have had a horrible life. I GET that you think you have gotten better. But look: you've resorted to Internet debating. And all you ever do is feed me the same stuff about how you were so cruelly treated, how this and that happened, how you've done this and that, and how you have an education. It's a sob story, but this isn't about you. It's about abortion and morality. Stop talking about your "experience" and just reason.
@amazieng What did i make up, un? Naw, I haven't 'resorted' to anything.. this is a fun way to kill time. The whole reason i ever started this shit to begin w/ was b/c I randomly got linked to some prolife vid, I thought it was gay and made a single short comment about my abortion and how I'm not sorry or anything, and people jumped my ass like friggin psychopaths, and it went from there. It's quite addicting. ANYWAY- My experience is cold hard fact you can't deny, jackass. Yes, it IS about -c
-c me, and every other woman on the fucking planet that people like YOU feel the need to judge, dictate, and think FOR. If you had your way abortion would be illegal, right? Yes, this is about me- after this kid is born, I'm never having any again. Pregnancy is hell. I'm not going to swallow down cancer-causing pills or take shots that cause cancer or fuck w/ my hormones, or make my husband wear a condom and thus not enjoy sex, or use an IUD. I'm also NOT planning on NOT making love to my man -c
-c just b/c there is a RISK of a pregnancy happening- if I get pregnant again after this, I'm aborting, period. I want to work, I want to live, I want to be able to care for the child I'm soon going to have. If your intentions are to deny me that right based on some religious spiel of yours, then yes this is about me- and all other women who don't or cannot afford to even be pregnancy, let alone have children. I'm not trying to fuck w/ YOUR privacy, rights, or body, here- it's vice versa.
@ryddelwearsahat Ok, ok, ok, I get it. You don't know shit about my faith, and you don't give a fuck about the millions of lives just mercilessly snuffed out since 1973. Oh, and you know, they had 'reasons' that 'justified' killing Jews, too.
@amazieng Oh, what did I saya bout your tin god that was not true? Give me an example- the slavery? You want complete bible verses? Which bible do you go by- king james, NIV, what? Funny- I've gone to debate-war with a damn catheter priest once, and in the end he actually resorted to mild personal insults, a promise of hell if I don't 'turn my heart', and that I was mislead by the devil. This came about AFTER pinging him w/ the contradictions in the bible, and the killing verses. Poor fool.
@amazieng If you have something to say, and actually care about what you say, you'd better be able to back it up- atleast, you'd better if you talk to me. Cram school is WONDERFUL- You can even study law! What are your majors?
@amazieng It stands to reason tha tnot everybody HAS the same opportunities,a bilitie,s LUXURIES as everyone else, and that not all women or teens HAVE the 'option' of adoption- I'm living proof of that shit(and oh, you just CANNOT stand it! Poor you- generalizations are WRONG?!)-and that abortion sometimes IS for the best. Also, it stands to reason that god is not law nor should it be unless you're a supporter of fundamntalism- holy execution, ect.. Like the bible commands..?
-x exact definition? Here: mo·ral·i·ty noun \mə-ˈra-lə-tē, mȯ-\ plural mo·ral·i·ties Definition of MORALITY 1 a : a moral discourse, statement, or lesson b : a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson 2 a : a doctrine or system of moral conduct b plural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct 3 : conformity to ideals of right human conduct 4 : moral conduct : virtue Enjoy. I also ahve another def. To post- hold up. -c
1 : beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior [noncount] ▪ the changing cultural morality ▪ The group is calling for a return to traditional morality. ▪ Christian morality [count] ▪ two groups with clashing moralities
2 [noncount] : the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something ▪ The decision may be legally justified, but I question its morality. —usually + of ▪ We discussed the morality of telling lies to protect someone.
@ryddelwearsahat You copied and pasted a definition. DOES NOT COUNT.
Wikipedia=horrible source.anybody can write crap on there and pass it off.Get me a quote from the pope, in an encyclical,if u want topretend you know anything about the Church.
I never doubted whathas happened to u,but for the sake of argument,you're only being a sophist.And to make something clear:debating online gets no one anywhere. Look, if you want to understand all this, ask moral questions ofyour friends,not youtubers.
@amazieng HAHAHA Now You are being funny. If someone is a liar and lies, it stands to REASON They'd never admit to being a liar, eh? Moving on: Actually, doing this online has helped three different people now: one was a teen girl who was going to abort and ended up not, b/c her family was willing to support her in ANY choice she made, even abortion, and so were her friends but she was just scared, ect.. I talked her into choosing adoption and led her to some useful resources. She recently -c
-c PMd me thanking me for helping her and talking to her honestly, and that she chose adoption and was happy w/ it. I also talked two other women into aborting, b/c one of them had two children already and needed immediate hospitalization for stomach cancer, and her family needed HER, not some stupid fetus. She chose to abort and got treatment- she's progressing wonderfully, and is happy b/c she can be there for her children and husband. The other was a friend of a friend who was referred to -c
-c me and her circumstances were complicated- she was about to divorce her husband for cheating on her, and found out she was pregnant, and had no intention of letting HIM keep the child, nor did she want to have a child at the time, and adoption was certainly out of the question b/c his approval would be needed, and he was being so spiteful she was terrified he'd hold up the divorce and sue her for custody and child-support, and she wanted my counsel on aborting. She aborted w/o regret. You -c
-c CAN occasionally reach out and help people. Oh, so you know- htiler was prolife- aryan women who had abortions were detained and raped on repeat until impregnated again. So were lesbians. If you are going to compare abortion to the holocaust, maybe you should have a little knowledge in the meaning of racism, prejudice, REAL genocide, ect.. There was no rhyme or reason in killing the jews- and Hitler was a catholic too, lol. History channel is wonderful- so are college professors! Dumbass.
@ryddelwearsahat Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You. I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because I have offended Thee my God, who is all Good and worthy of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen.
Laugh at me all you want, ryddelwearahat. Why dont you look up Mother Teresa, 1994 National Prayer Breakfast speech. SHE knows Catholicism.
@amazieng I don't care about religious icons. I care about the book they worship. What does the bible say about homosexuals, nonbelievers, rape victims, and slavery? Prove your god is good- do you approve of killing rape-vics or forcing them to marry their rapists? Yes or no. Do you approve of slavery, yes or no. Should 'fags' be executed, yes or no? Should nonbelievers be executed, yes or no? Answer these questions, or let this whole thing the fuck GO, b/c you lost this one long ago, man.
@amazieng Oh and, thank you, atleast, for having the respect to not toss me one of this pity-insult 'ill pray for you' lines.. Fuck if I had a penny, just a PENNY, for every time some jackass said that to me when they lost their argument and resorted to religious buffoonery and insults and mockery, I'd be loaded. By the way- all my hostility aside, I faced you head-on and answered your questions willingly and openly. You have refused point-0blank to do so, coward... ..WHY is abortion legal? =)
@ryddelwearsahat You did not answer my questions, but whatever. It would be easier to see your meaning in person. Anyways, you can't argue that abortion is legal because it's right, for reasons such as no form of government is infallible, and a country is only as good as its people. But anyways, I have to get back to my real life( life beyond the screen), as much as I'd love to actually sanely discuss this with you.
@amazieng You wanted the def. of morality, I gave it, you didn't like it b/c it was copypasted- but I also gave you my own def. as well.. Not good enough for you? Too damn bad. See you, then- have a nice, free, and privacy-supportive life! Keep in mind that unlike you and your kind, I'd never DREAM of forcing my beliefs on you, or forcing you to into a sex life you don't want, or force you to use your body in a way you don't want- I have respect for you! Too bad the feeling is not mutual.
@ryddelwearsahat I did not enforce my beliefs on you. You're the one who started the name-calling. I never thought a YouTube debate would ever convince you of anything. I only felt cimpelled to speak what U know and believe is true. You disagree.
I disliked your definition because it showed no thought process, you gave me nothing but "morality is what I feel is right" (not intended to be a word fir word quote). I believe we disagree in whether or not morality is subjective. Am I wrong?
@amazieng No, I'm yet to be convinced of anything except that, when push comes to shove, religious people and prolifers, and homophobes and racists all resort to attempts at psychobabble and 'I know how u really feel' BS and use baseless 'points' to prove they are correct. No, you did attempt to enforce your beliefs by pushing them as facts and not personal opinions. Morality by it's very definition will always be subjective- first lesson in philosophy, religion, AND politics AND psychology: -c
-c What was 'moral' 200 years ago is now considered pedophilia, prostitution, slavery, and rape- you know, 12yo girls getting SOLD into marriages- this was namely arranged by the jews, catholics, and xtains. Society changed for the better and child-brides stopped being a 'regular, moral' thing as women's rights began to grow- women were 'allowed' to get an educaiton at university- usually taking around 17, 18, 19 years- before marrying.. and so on. Morals changed b/c society did. You want to -c
-c cling to 'morality', well, hey, morality is subjective. Too bad history and biology, and language(for the most part) are not. Too bad for you, anyway. I base My personal morality on the principles of: what HISTORY has taught us, how i as a person would prefer to be treated/viewed/respected, what biology says, and what works best under current circumstances. In other words, the bible is too far outdated, disproven, and assholery-hypocritical to EVER be considered 'moral' by anyone who has -c
-c even an OUNCE of respect for history, science, biology, and their own damn person/those around them. Case in point: slavery, rape-marriage, the killing of nonbeleivers/homosexuals/'whores'/ect, and the fact that god has yet to be proven real outside of anecdotal 'i felt this way when i prayed that one time' BS, Because faith-healings of ALL religions, even SATANISM, have occurred, and 'miracle' cancer-going-aways are not proof, just freaks of occurrence. Stick to science, broski.
@ryddelwearsahat Ok now, if morality is subjective to you, then why even bother arguing for it? Why do you debate if you think that morality can change throughout history. If it changes by time, what us to say it doesn't change by person, too? Anyways, you can't really think morality subjective AND argue with me about it; that makes no sense.
@amazieng Morality has nothing to do w/ abortion. It is about biology and history. Biology shows that sex is more than for reproduction- among humans and also animals. Saying consent to sex is consent to parenthood is just silly, so forcing an unwanted child based on that is just illogical. Next up is societal views on slavery- i think it is pretty safe to slavery slavery is, um.. bad.. right? Well, what do you call forcing one person to do something against their will for anothers' gain? =) -c
-c You cannot legally force one human to assume responsibility for another- that is why adoption and nursing homes exist, right? That applies to pregnancy as well. Collective morality views slavery as wrong- rape as well. Forced physical use/forced physical action is rape/slavery interchangeably. Killing to prevent rape, killing to prevent kidnapping/assault/force of will is all perfectly legal and generally accepted as moral. If not, next time someone tries to rape you, just lay there? -c
-c Self-defense is generally a morally-acceptable reason for killing- very few people will ACTUALLY denounce killing to save oneself unless they're some fagass hippie idiot vegan who thinks that the life of even a pedophile-baby-eating rapist puppy-burner is 'worth protecting no matter what! life is precious!'. Killing is not intrinsically good nor evil until you allow for context, and the context of 90% of abortions are not out of anger, spite, or for petty gain, but for survival in some form.
@amazieng But, I don't really like going w/ morals except when it is an opportunity to bite someone's head off and twist their own hypocrisy back on them. I stick to biology, personal experiences, and laws concerning human rights and killing. It works wonders until someone gets mad and tries to use personal insults about my 'choosing to be abused' as a child' BS as 'proof' abortion is 'evil'. Also, you cannot 'murder' a non-person and a fetus lacks personhood due to dependence/development.
@ryddelwearsahat ...taught you how to reason, but reasoning starts with definitions. Before you can prove any kind of logic, you need definitions for your words. That is what I have been trying to show you. Forget everything else I have said and answer me this one thing, just please: What is morality?
@ryddelwearsahat ... And why do you think being alive and having what it means to be human two such different things? What exactly makes a human being a human being? Does mental ability measure how human we are? I asked this before. What makes a fetus alive? Whatever makes a body first start moving and eventually makes it stop cannot be two different things. What is it that causes LIFE, that must be there to start life and leave to end it? Why can't ...
@ryddelwearsahat ...why can't you get a heart to start beating again once it's totally stopped? Why don't the electric currents ALWAYS revive a dead person?
Don't bash on religion if you don't know what it is about. You can't discredit Catholicism if you haven't read the pope's encyclicals, or bash on Islam if you haven't read the Koran. Sure, you can criticize people all you want, but if you dont KNOW what they believe, dont understand it, then you can't criticize their religion...
@ryddelwearsahat ...(But on that, how can you have morals if you have no one focal point in which to base your morals?)
But I understand why this makes you hostile. If someone questions a big decision you made, then you're going to want to defend it. You definitely do not want to spend life regretting it. So anything I say going against what you think was necessary to bring you where you are today, you don't want to hear it, and you want to tear it down. But understand me: if I thought...
@ryddelwearsahat It's not as if Abby Johnson could sit there and film what she saw; that's why she wrote a book.
A fetus is a body. OK, that's a step up from "chunk of meat." But if a fetus can react to touch, how can you undermine the value of what that means? This fetus is a body, and it can react to it's senses. And like a cockroach, it squirms, even in death. But there, you see, "in death", which means it must have been previously alive. So a human fetus is an alive human body.
@amazieng Do you remember conception, development, birth or oh hell even the first 5 mos of your existence? Please tell me yes or no, and now let me tell you why: B/c 'you' were not 'there' yet. You were living tissue and autonomous, programmed, instinctualized meat. You squealed and screamed when you needed something you twitched and jerked and wriggled and rolled. Before birth, you twitched and moved based on either reaction to stimuli, or b/c electrical/chemical impulses made you. -c
-c Your body was not you, your body was a bag of sustained meat on life-support like me, your mother, like every living thing in existence that exists through reproduction and fetal development. Yes, it was alive, and that is not the argument or point, That enver WAS the argument or point. The point is, living human meat=nothing. No value, no anything unless you are egotistical to worship man by image alone- your little golden calf is a fetal shell. Pathetic. If it puts the woman at risk, the -c
-c fetus is as meaningless in value, and as offensive as a tumor or cancer, period. A parasite. It cannot think or feel, it cannot be removed, it just floats and grows. This is perfectly natural and nothing to hide, be ashamed of, anything. But if is also nothing to glorify or excuse or deny or worship or exceptionalize, either. If it puts the woman at risk, then by all means remove it. If not, then keep it. Common logic. Woman>fetus, at all times. If you had to choose between a loved one and -c
-c a little developing wad of human meat in a womb, there would be no contest- the loved one trumps everything. If not, you certainly don't love that person. That is the tell, right there. The fetus has no meaning or value outside the fact that it is human dna. You share no memories, aspirations, dreams, no love or hate, no anything- just idealogy and imagination. Why, WHY are people so shallow?
-c My foot has Dna. Sperm and egg have Dna. A fertilized egg has dna and potential.. but it is not complete or actual. An acorn is not a tree, an egg is not a chicken.
@ryddelwearsahat Also, memory is not proof of personhood. Alzheimers does not make someone less human. And brain activity isn't proof, either. There are plenty of dumb persons. Are they somehow less human than smart people?
@amazieng If this will prove to be the extent of your defense, I've seen this movie, man.. my opponent always dies in the end- or results to personal insults. xD Should I stop the DVD, or is this a remake w/ an alternate ending?
Millions of children brutally torn from their mother's womb every year, and somebody thinks they should make a video like this? They think this somehow justifies what goes on in an abortion clinic?
I was commenting that an omniscient, omnipotent, all-creating god and free will are incompatible, but I also challenge you that that isn't what the bible says.
Let's take Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart..."
Or Psalms 139:16: "your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."
@theneonfire Do you know what the Book of Life is? It's talking about who will accept Christ and who won't. God has a plan for those who trust in him, and you can choose to follow it or abandon it. He isn't controlling you. So yes, sadly you are still misinformed.
If god creates people with knowledge that they will die, or go to hell, he is surely responsible in part. For example, if you knew someone would be murdered if they were in a certain place at a certain time, and you take them there without protecting them in any way, you are still somewhat guilty.
Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] The term Godwin's law can also refer to the tradition that whoever makes such a comparison is said to "lose" the debate.
If Hitler would have been aborted my grandpa wouldn't have gone to war and would have fucked my grandma too earily for my mother to be born. Therefore I would never have been born...and I guess the same applies to all of you guys. Would you abort Hitler nontheless ?
You're missing the point of the other video. The idea is that just because they'll grow up in a broken home (a popular argument used by pro-choicers) doesn't mean that the child will be better off if aborted.
Also, according to Godwin's law, you just lost entirely by even bringing up Hitler.
I don't think this vid was meant to be funny or offensive. It was meant to prove a point that the original conveniently avoided. But congrats on missing the message entirely.
so the message was what? Your father was an abuser therefore you should not be allowed to live?..Think before you type... before you post. Thanks mixxy!
Sorry that you couldn't understand the video. Perhaps if you would have taken your own advice and thought before you typed, you would have figured it out.
The message was that life, in and of itself, is not always the purely joyous miracle the religious right would have us believe. Sometimes it is in the best interest of the mother, father, and fetus to abort a fetus that is going to be unwanted and unsupported when born.
Bahaha,
I thought for sure it would say "will become our first retarded President" and go to a picture of Bush. It's frightening how similar there history is.
17R3W 8 months ago
The catholic church had no problems with hilter -- after all he was a catholic --
badpanda84 9 months ago
Shouldn't they have picked an individual with LESS in common with Barack Obama? As time passes this President while not directly responsible for the extermination of any one race, has certainly shown himself to be a manipulative, dishonest person. Not sure we are better off having had this narcissistic, self-absorbed man having been born. He is void of any conviction, and will do whatever it takes to stay in power.. Obama is an EPIC failure, & has divided this country like never before.
ortizdesigns 9 months ago
Awesome video XD
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 11 months ago
Over one million children killed every year, and somebody thinks it funny to make a video like this??
Abortion is ugly, it is cruel, it is disgusting. Whether performed at one month or four months, it is the ripping of a child from the ONE place he should feel safe, his mother's womb. Since when was that ok?
amazieng 1 year ago
@amazieng Yeah...... Let's make abortion illeagal. Then there will be no more abortions. Just like drugs are illeagal, armed robbery is illeagal, arson is illeagal etc.etc. etc..
panterguy 1 year ago
@panterguy At least we could say, as a country, that we don't support what is going on. By making it legal, we support it, and I can assure that at least a few people would stop themselves before doing it because it was illegal. Not to mention, we need to set up more crisis pregnancy centers for those in need, so they can have more options.
amazieng 1 year ago
@amazieng Fetuses cannot 'feel' anything, are not even self-aware. We all start out as unthinking, unfeeling, developing chunk of human meat and are instinctually programmed to scream, cry, and grasp for the first months of our life once born out of pure survival instincts. It takes time to develop personhood- that begins well after birth, well after the NEED for abortion. Nothing of value is lost in an abortion- just a potentiality that could go either way, but is most likely to end badly.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat How can you talk about yourself that way? You can't.
There is no difference between what you are and what a human fetus is. The only distinction is your stage in development. Are the elderly less human because they have somehow passed legal personhood? When is human life ever not precious? When exactly might you say this personhood begins if not at conception? When the heart beats? When the fetus learns to cry? How about when it learns to tie his shoe or eat on his own?
amazieng 1 year ago
@amazieng So as a fetus I had worldly knowledge, memories, opinions, beliefs, and dreams? Favorite foods, music, and so on? Try again w/o the rediculousness. Personhood develops at around 5/6 months AFTER birth- when the newly 'awoken' brain has had enough stimuli to properly process and store information and begin formulating opinion, using memory, ect. Crying is not learned, it is genetically programmed as a survival instinct.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat So you think someone stuck in a wheelchair, with no memory or ability to talk, is not a person? In other words, you believe killing Terri Schaivo was ok because she wasn't a person?
amazieng 1 year ago
@amazieng If there is no brain activity, no memory, and the body is held on life-support alone, then that is called being a vegetable, braindead. No, a human in that condition is not a person.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Do you realize what you are saying? If you got into an accident, lost your ability to speak or move, would it be okay for people to simply decide to kill you?
There was a man who had been in a state like that for years, and one nurse suddenly noticed his finger moving, and insisted they test him further, and they found that with surgery, he could fully function again. All those years paralyzed, and he was self-conscious the whole time. He was lucky;they were going to kill him.
amazieng 1 year ago
@amazieng People w/ alzheimers still think, feel, opinionate. Fuck the doctors who never tested or properly examined that paralyzed man, before- did they never bother to hook him up to an EKG, or w/e it's called(I forget lol) that reads brainwaves? Or was this way back in the day? Do not play w/ words or mince contexts and definitions to try to defend or attack me- stupidity is not the argument, neither is being mentally handicapped. I'm talking about actual brain-shutoff or LACK OF FUNCTION.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Sorry, I don't mean to insult you. I just want to let it be known that personhood is not measured by abilities. It's measured by WHAT you ARE not what you DO or CAN do. This man, btw, had no functions, not until he had the surgery could he talk. Technology is gradually getting better, and so they are catching this kind of thing sooner, but people still continue to think that a fetus is just "a chunk if meat" and that a "vegetable" is equally worthless. Both are still human.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng I find it insulting, repeatedly, to compare completely different situations and circumstances w/ legal and moral killing. A paralyzed man is not the same as a developing fetus, or a truly braindead human, or the long-term comatose w/ minimal brain activity.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat WHY is a braindead person or a human fetus nit a human being? From the beginning, a fetus has DNA, and the distinction between being boy or girl. DNA can determine more than just the parents, it can determine personality as well. If the fetus has DNA, and DNA is what determines personality, then why can't you say it already HAS personality? Why can't you say that a fetus is a human being?
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat But alright, what IF the personality doesn't develop until later on? Then we still have the question of "when?" but can I just ask you what exactly do you think determines a human being? If only fully developed humans are people, or human beings, then that would mean killing people is justified in the case if teenagers and children. That is why you are confusing me; I don't understand what you think IS the determining factor IMMORAL killing.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng That doesn't matter b/c once born a child can be adopted.. you can't give up a fetus until birth. Needless is needless. A complete human being is a complete human body- normal growth or possible disabilities set aside. Person, human, and human being do NOT all mean the same thing, especially in societal opinion or context. No, you cannot justify killing an infant, child, or teen- b/c you don't HAVE to care for it. You can give it up to the state IMMEDIATELY. Dna itself is meaningless.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat But what if I cut off my finger? Or had my reproductive organs removed because I had cancer? Am I then not a human being?
So what I do understand from you is that as long as a baby is in the womb it's ok to kill it, because...the mother has to care for it? And an infant is not fully human, but it is not ok to kill it? Because it can be turned over to the state? So it's only immoral to kill if it's illegal to kill?
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Was the body previously whole before altered? Like I said- even including those who are handicapped.. a complete human being is a complete human. Trying to wheedle and word-play your way down to re-definitions and techincalities to avoid the overall context, which is obviously understood by you if you are reaching this far and this specifically, does nothing for your argument except prove that you are reaching. Needless killing is needless- an infant can be adopted, can't it?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Then why, might I ask, can a mother not WAIT a few months? Like you say, it's needless killing. KILLING. Abortion is killing a child. And about the body, if a vegetable is a full human BEFORE being altered, then it can't be moral to kill him. A complete human being is a complete human being, ergo mental handicaps are no less hindering to a person's humanity than physical handicaps, because if the person has had full function before, then he is still human. Right?
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng You cannot legally Or morally force one human to assume responsibility for another- that is slavery. Slavery is immoral, right? You cannot legally or morally force a human to let ANOTHER human use their body in a way they don't to to, correct? That is rape, rape is immoral, correct? Forced-parenthood, or rather, forced-pregnancy is rape/slavery interchangeably. Lethal force is quite moral and legal to prevent/stop rape, kidnapping, assault, even carjacking, burglary, ect.. Get it?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahatExcept in rape or other unfortunate incidences, a woman DOES have her own choice. Sex makes babies, duh, and contraception is unreliable.Parenthood is not forced on anyone when they CHOSE to engage in sexual activities. The original purpose of sexual acts was that of having children. When people try to pretend that the two things, sex and babies, don't go hand in hand, they are denying the course of life.
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat If adoption is an option as soon as the infant is born, then how is it a forced parenthood? Pregnancy is the result of sexual activity. Everyone knows that, and should take full responsibilty for their actions. If you have sex, you will have children. There is no question. Contraception is a false security net.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Stop lying about me and my personal history, and why I had sex, first of all. Your pots are void until you can accept that I did not consent to parenthood at 14, and rejected the idea wholly by having my partner wear a condom. Get over it and accept that your ideas about sex are not shared by everyone, and are ideas, not facts, and the infallible FACT of the matter is, BC=NO I don't want kids, thanks anyway.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat WHEN did I say anything about you? Fourteen year olds should not have sex. as I said before, birth control, ie contraception, is unreliable. Pills are unhealthy, mess with your body, are synthetic hormones. It's healthier to practice abstinence. And condoms can break, accept the risk.
And listen, I'm going to stop there, because you're obviously hurt by something, and I know I am not the one who brought up anything to do with your personal life.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Too bad. i still had sex w/ no intention of getting pregnant. Saying the shit you are saying is a direct rejection and attack on my personal history. It is what you WANT, but it is not 100% true. Having sex at 14 was a dumb mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened, and still happens now, and will continue to do so. I'm not hurt by anything, I am offended that you think your opinions about sexuality&birth control are facts applicable to everyone. Disappear if you want.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat So basically you make up shit and try to turn it into your own set of moral values. GREAT! Everybody do what you want! We all have our own individual moral code! It's our choice!!!!
Listen, whether you want to believe it or not, there is such a thing as objective truth, as in truth that applies to everyone. Sex makes babies. Contraception is the false assurance for not getting pregnant. Abortion is murder.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Oh lulz. Yeah- don't like what you hear, so it's lies- like I haven't heard that one before. Well, atleast you didn't do what that one catholic bitch did and tell me I 'chose' to be abused as a child.. lol! Sex makes babies, but contraception prevents it, or it is intended to, anyway. There you go- fix'd that for you. What is love-making, masturbation, fucking, pornography, homosexuality, fetish? What is rape, prostitution, pedophilia, zoophilia? What are birth control, adoption, -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c abortion? What are their intentions? Please explain ALL of them- I'd LOVE to see your 'objective truth' of the non-existence and non-intentions and non-uses of all these things.. Also.. are you religious? Just curious. B/c a fetus is not a person and you cannot 'murder' a non-person, and sex is a lot more to humans that reproduction and to deny that is to deny your own human nature and programming, not to mention everyone else's..
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Whatever you may have done, accept the truth about its morality. Don't lie to yourself trying to justify it. Accept and try to do better in the future. I'm sorry if I'm being callous, but I don't understand why you think the way you do.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng I think the way I do b/c I am living proof that your idealogies are bullshit and wishful thinking at best. Let me put it this way- if I'd done it your way, and died and so did the brat or it/we both ended up in a prostitution ring, or in state services getting beaten, even RAPED by other kids/teens or died on the street, any of that shit.. you'd never know. It happens everyday- do you know? Do you care? My life is 100% better for my choice at 14. Biology & living history are not lies.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng I'm married, educated, am pregnant and 6 1/2 mos. along. I am pretty, healthy, well-loved and, once I'm no longer pregnant, will be well-employed once again. It took living hell and actual crime- drug dealing and prositution- to get where I am today. Ever suck a dick to pay for rent, food, transportation, college, AND your handicapped mother's needs at 17? I have. It was hell w/o a child... w/ a child in tow, I'd likely be dead. FUCK state services, FUCK THE CHURCH, you are ALONE.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat :'(
I am telling you now: you wanted to do the right thing, which was help your mother and become an educated person so you could basically have a normal, healthy life.
I don't really know anything about you except for what you have said here, but I'm asking you not to judge me the way you THINK I've judged you. I've experienced things I know you haven't. I've had my share of hell. Which is why I now want to defend the lives being lost everyday to the selfishness of America.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Yeah, I did what was right and responsible. Survival and prosperity to do better tomorrow is not selfish. Selfish is sacrificing an already-existing PERSON for the POTENTIALITY of a person that you HOPE will actually enjoy the less-than-decent 'life' forced on it. Rape and slavery are not justifiable even if it 'saves' a 'baby' that doesn't even exist yet, just to make someone else happy. You want to do good? Get a job like mine- nurse the handicapped and elderly!
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Life at all stages us precious. No one person's life is more valuable then the next. A mother who has an abortion has done more than destroy the potentiality of the child she could have had, but she also says her life is worth more, before she even KNOWS the baby she will have, before she even news for sure how its life or hers will turn out. She destroys all hope, she snuffs out life before it's given the chance to grow, she's "nipped it in the bud." Even if you don't ...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...don't believe it's a person yet, you must admit that abortion destroys hope. Nobody is willing to trust or hope in anyone else, anymore. A woman thinks her life is better without a baby. She thinks a baby will ruin her career, cost money, or simply be another responsibility. But what does she know unless she's actually taken time to love her own child. If nothing else for you, I hope you love your son or daughter like a mother should. Often, women who have already...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...women who have already had children wish they could nip their third or fourth pregnancy in the bud. They have had too much stress, money problems, or just problems in general with their children and they don't want those problems again. Little do women actually care to brace themselves for the pangs and pains of motherhood so that they are caught unaware of what comes with a baby. Perhaps they didn't have time to prepare, or they were too young to know better, but that is ...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...that is why one takes time to THINK before making the choice if having sex. That is also why it's advises to wait until you are married or AT LEAST have a steady job before putting yourself at risk for pregnancy. And going back to love, these are two things to consider when engaging in sex: are you prepared to take care of and love any baby that may come and do you love your partner? That is one of the many reasons why rape and prostitution are so horrible...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ... It is so horrible because there us no preparation for the future of a child, and there is no love. You say contraception=no baby/fetus/pregnancy. You say it is the same as saying no to getting pregnant, but if you don't want to get pregnant with your partner, doesn't that mean you either don't trust him, or don't love him, or both? Or maybe you're just unprepared to have children. In that case, if you aren't prepared or responsible enough to have children, maybe you...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...maybe you shouldn't be engaging in sexual activity. But it's called "love-making" for a reason. It isn't for that false love known as lust, but for that real love. It is for that real love one should have for their spouse and children. Sex is a completion of love between a man and a woman, a full giving of yourself to the other. To have sex with someone, you must trust them, you must love them, you must be willing to share the rest of your life with them...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...Love is something human, something without which, we have no purpose. I could answer all your questions if you really wanted me to do so; if you don't want to read it, though, then I might as well be writing for a wall or something.
In answer to one of your questions: yes, I have a faith, if that's what you mean. I'm sorry the Catholic who talked to you and told you that was a bitch. One thing I know for sure is that few Christians understand what their faith really...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...understand what their faith really means. If they did, they would know better how to treat people.
You find bad apples everywhere, and heaven knows there are plenty of misunderstood people out there who have their hearts in the right place. You can't judge a whole faith or the idea if religion from your experience with people alone. You have to look into it more than that.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng My problem w/ religious people, in general, is that they can't read. Or that they are all, to a horrendous extent, mad-ass hypocrites who attack, excuse, and justify for a petty idealogy. The one who don't are the terrorists, and THAT is scarier. Your opinions on sex have nothing to do w/ anyone else unless their sexual activity involve you or someone else and puts a person at risk or infringes on consent rights- a potential fetus is meaningless. I'm pregnant and keeping it, and -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c quite ready to have children, and face it all head-on w/o blinders or excuses or imaginary issues and pictures to 'make it easier'. Your approval, idealogies, and even your experience are moot when compared to other people- leave it to those experiencing it all and don't judge. I'm living proof that like, 90% of the pro'life' agenda is a fuckup failure. I love my husband to death- I don't need to reroduce w/ him to 'prove' I love him, and if you think that., you're fucked in the head, like -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c REALLY sick-fucked. If I had to choose between this child- his child- and him, trust me, there would be NO contest- my Kakky is everything. He sees me the same way- everything else- the money, jobs, family, everything- is superfluous to what we feel and see in eachother. Don't you DARE get up the nerve to tell ME what /I/ do and don't love and feel- especially about my own husband. This child is basically 'on a whim' b/c the pill fagged up. We're going to love it and all, but it was an -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c accident, for better or worse, and you can take that whoever you will, but our life together had nothing to do w/ children or anything- just eachother. Romantic dates and dances, walks, camping, movies, our love-making, the games we play and the parties we go to, and just.. words cannot ever begin to describe what I feel for him, and the way he reflects my intentions. He is a living dream in both looks and personality, and he's said the same to me so many times. So, in short- that is one -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c more theory of yours shot down, and gladly- to think that way is just.. so disrespectful. You have no right, whatsoever, to decide what other people feel for eachother based on whether or not they have/want kids. Go swallow a pistol for that one, demon.. That was just downright retarded and offensive of you.. seriously. just.. god-damn it... moving on: I don't believe abortion destroys anything except for developing tissue. I don't place value on humans b/c they are human.. to me, their -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c value is based on what they are worth to other people. Let me put it this way, in the form of a question nobody has yet to have the nerve to answer, or even acknowledge- what is the difference between shooting a rapist, and the rape victim? The preacher and the serial killer? The missionary and the warmonger? Let me answer for you- on person actively seeks to hurt and destroy and prey, the other does what they are fucking SUPPOSED to do as a social human animal and HELPS and CARES. -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c You don't know what a fetus can become when it is being carried- all you have is your imagination, and the knowledge of what things are right then and there, and what is most likely to occur in the near future based on circumstances. IF I'd done it YOUR way(this point too is usually left ignored or made fun of) and both me/the kid died, would you know... or care? Hardly. Considering it happens every day in all shapes&forms and noone 'notices', my predictions are far better than yours. Hope -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c is meaningless at times, trust me. Like when you put your hand in a fire and 'hope' it doesn't hurt. A homless 14yo w/ a child on the way who cannot trust CPS, the church, or her own home can 'hope' all she wants, but in the end.. she's going to die on the street, usually after getting raped/beaten/sold into prostitution/drug muling, getting STDs, and her child getting killed/sold into human trafficking- it happens a lot. Namely to homeless teens. Hope all you want- it makes you blind. -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c You play future-prediction games just as much as prochoicers, only thing is, statistics and personal experiences- like MINE- weigh heavily against you.. and you shrug it, and the VICTIMS of your narrow idealogies, off like shit on your shoe. ONE fetus could cure cancer- after 1000 others grow up w/ aids and die slowly, painfully, get sold into child porn-trafficking, get beaten/killed/ end up homeless, ect- and lead to even more suffering. You know nothing. It's just insulting.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
I knew you wouldn't listen.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng No, I did.. but the things you said to me were just.. totally off-base. Sue,. they might apply to some other people, but to me. Can you not accept that we are just different, and that is not necessarily a bad thing?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Maybe off the specific subject, but what I said relates, believe me.
I don't think being different is bad, but we are both human beings, and abortion us no light matter.
Bad things happen, innocent people suffer, but abortion doesn't solve problems. You can disagree all you want, but a fetus can feel pain, and is more than a chunk of meat. Look up "the silent scream."
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng If you are against the aobriton I had at 14. are you then against the direct result of it- my being able to suport/educate myself,g et married, and have the child i now carry, and want and will be able to love and provide for? =) Careful, now.. Before 5 mos a fetus can't feel pain, and just so you know- I'm against late-terms for that reason. Also, the silent scream is a long-overdone hoax. Ask anyone who understand neurology- FETOLOGY- and ISN'T paid to speak by a church.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat First, being able to support a family and the like were not direct results of the abortion. Were there no crisis pregnancy centers around to help?
Second, The Silent Scream is, I'll admit, people trying to make a point but definitely overdoing it. BUT, you are wrong about five months. A woman who worked with Planned Parenthood for 8 years wrote a book about her experience and why she stopped working for them. She wanted to reduce the amount of abortions by providing...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...by providing women with more contraception and information on it, which she believed to be their goal. But in her book (Unplanned, by Abby Johnson) she has one chapter on why she finally decided to leave. She was working at a clinic, and was asked to be present at an abortion, to help with the ultrasound because that was the particular doctor's safest method. Watching the screen, she sees that the thirteen week old fetus looks just like her daughter did at that time...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...when she sees the actual vacuum go in, she can SEE the fetus kicking around, sensing something wrong. She sees the fetus move and kick, ineffectively trying to escape this foreign object, and then she sees the fetus disappear down the tube. Now this is at thirteen weeks, a little over two months, far from the five mos you say a fetus can start feeling. If the fetus can't feel at thirteen weeks, then why could this one be seen trying to esape? ...
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Footage, please? Anything but a transcript from a suddenly-converted religious doctor? Images? You're talking about the really fat white chick w/ short hair, aren't you? Why is it, just out of curiosity, all these people only ever change their minds after becoming religious..? Also, whether or not the body can register touch, electrical and chemical impulse makes the body move- especially when it is being damaged. Kill a roach & squeeze the body- the lags twitch/splay even in death. -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c I know what I know about the human brain and it's development- I paid for my education in blood, integrity, and cold-hard-cash and studied like a crazy thing in night school, cram school, and regular college. If you want to believe otherwise, then fine- but kindly forget trusting any fetologist, neurologist, or stroke specialist or anyone else who DARES concur w/ proven fact and study about the brain. I don't care if a body twitches and jerks as it is ripped up- bodies do that.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat It is because religion gets a person thinking about the purpose of life. That is why life is so important to "religious people", because each life has a purpose. Different religions differ on that point if view, but that is besides the point.
How come you find this so hard to believe? That other video, The Silent Scream, is actual footage. While I find the man's dialogue annoyin and distracting, that film itself is real....
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng I don't need a 'purpose' to exist and be happy and strive. If you need to be told what to do, and how to think and feel, then you have some pretty shitty self-esteem there. The film is not real, trust me- even xtains(however few and far in-between vaguely-honest stains may be found) deny it as petty propaganda. But, either way.. what you have said does not apply to me, or everyone in general. It is very disrespectful to same-game mario everyone. Humans are not animals or clones.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Propaganda? There is so much propaganda that it's hard to determine fact from fiction. Planned Parenthood has its own line of propaganda as well. They have propaganda pretending that Maragret Singer wasn't racist, and that their purpose is to reduce abortions and unplanned pregnancies.
What are you referring to? I mean whatever did I say that "does not apply to everyone in general."
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Sanger was a racist old bitch, and that has nothing to do w/ abortion these days. I'm pro-choice and am certainly not racist. You're religious BS, and the crap you said to me before. I certainly don't need religion to have morals or to live my life.. so why bring religion into an argument concerning other people's rights and actions if they do not follow your belief structure? All the asses who quit their aobriton doc jobs also converted to faith: fuck their opinions, they're sheep.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng By the way, if I'm getting more&more vicious/hostile, i apologize in part. This is a sensitive subject to me for obvious reasons, and I cannot stand the blankness w/ which people take to this argument. In my experience very few people take into consideration that there is actually a real name and face and person and set of circumstances behind each&every abortion... and that everything is not black&white. I'm certainly not just a statistic- I'm real live history and experience.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Firstly, no, of course I dont remember my first five months of existence. At that stage, MEMORY is still developing. Not remembering it does not mean "I" was not present. Even at three and four years a child is still learning how to remember things properly. Are "you" not present at that certain event that you don't remember because maybe you drank too much? Does that mean it would have been perfectly moral to kill you?...
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Lol nice little play on context/intention. Does a drunk person have active brain activity/self0-awareness? Does a 5, 4, even 3 or 2yo? Yes.. does a fetus? Of course not. You know the meaning of self-awareness, memory, and consciousness in this context- don't try to play it off as something else entirely. I used to BE a xtain, and lost faith ages ago- you see, i actually READ the bible. also, do not defend a pedophilia-ring to me- anyone who trusts an ex-hitler youth should be sent to-c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c a nuthouse for a mental re-evaluation. If it was more than personal opinion, everyone would be a stain, catheter, slummer, or satanist, or witch, or whateverthehell. Obviously religion IS a matter of personal opinion. No, I DON'T know where life originated from, nor do I care- you can sure as hell NOT thank the biblegod for life or existence, though. I DO understand religion, and that is why it disgusts me. Do you understand your own faith, and it's bloodstained /JUSTIFIED/ history? You are-c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c talking to someone w/ degrees in history- world and american. I took a special interest in nazi history, and religious history in college and cram school b/c of the way such insanity affected my life personally. It is terrifying what you can learn about the origins of such filth. My focal point is treat people fucking RIGHT- Don't JUDGE or ASSUME, or superimpose my own wants, desires, and opinions over theirs and write their life off as inferior b/c they disagree w/ me. I mind my own damn-c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c business. I donate to charity monthly- anywhere from 70-140$- the aspca, st judes, even the xtain children's fund. Before I got pregnant I worked full-time as a nurse for the handicapped and elderly, and loved every second of my job, even taking time OFF to care for my clients, spending my own money. A good amount of my personal friends are clients and their relatives. I don't need some tin god that promotes slavery, rape-marriage, homophobia and REAL MURDER to tell me how to feel love, or -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c how to treat others w/kindness. My morals came from common sense. So do my husband's- who is a profound atheist. His whole family are atheists- and they are amazing, kind, sweet people. They volunteer at nursing homes, pull together bake sales and funds for schools, all sorts of badass shit- the funny thing is, the stains and catheters who usually join in HATE them b/c they are 'so perfect they have to be fake'. It goes both ways- how many xtains praised jesus when Dr tiller got murdered? -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c You are basically telling me the sky is green w/ polka dots. Try again. Brain death cannot be undone like minor organ death- once the brain is dead, it is dead, end of story. Brain cells CANNOT revive or regenerate. It is all about time&extent of damage. You are trying to read too far into things- if anyone has a fucked up sense of self-worth here, or is in denial, it is the one who feels they need a hihher entity to do their thinking and feeling and living for them, instead of chasing -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c their own dreams and always seeking enlightenment and truth, and betterment. I don't regret a god-damn thing except for the fact that it all happened to BEGIN w/- it was just a pile of drama and bullshit I did not need. But my decision to abort was the right one at the time/place. And you have yet to answer my question- do you think this marriage and this future child should not exist, b/c it came about as a direct result of my abortion at 14? Please answer yes or no.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat HAHAHA.
sorry, but you were rude. Your abortion did NOT directly relate to you being married right now. The two things are so different, and you know you could have tried adoption.
You killed a human being. You let it happen. And you don't know shit about what religion truly is, nor what the bible really means. Your basis for reason is... What? Common sense?? Do you even know what common sense IS?
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ... You know what, I'm sorry, you offended me, and I was rude. Do you think I would be part of a faith I knew squat about? I read up on what the CHURCH actually says, not propaganda, and not what he media blows at you. The Church is not a pedophilia ring; I have known MANY priests, and not one of them was involved in that sort of thing.
But let's not go so far off topic.
I'm NOT making up what I say. I am simply using the true meaning of words. I dont know if your education...
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng One question: Why does the catholic church struggle so desperately to cover up pedophilia charges and actual proven cases? Moving on. Actually, my options at 14 w/ a child were the following: homelessnes w/ or w/o a child in tow, at 14=no education, homelessness, poverty, bad stuff in general lol. Becoming state PROPERTY of the mutts who think bruise son the face are NOT child abuse(would you be safe there? tell me plz), w/ or w/o a child in tow, or staying at home and caring for a -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Stop changing the subject. The Catholic Church does not try to cover up anything. You obviously have not done your homework.
What is morality?
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Really, now? en DAWT wikipedia DAWT org /wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c child I did not want and could not support- my home being poor, violently abusive, ect, and I'd have to forego education to TRY to get a job, ect.. and generally fuck up my future.. or just get, you know.. beaten up and killed by my dad, who actually tried to kill me 3 years alter and went to prison for, leaving me to care for my handicapped mother w/o welfare, church aid, or anything.. which was why i had to prostitute myself and sell drugs to support us and pay for my education. NOW- w/ -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c a child in tow, or being homeless, or state property the chances of this happening were even slimmer.. pretty much nonexistant. If I did not have the time to devote to myself, my mother, and education/money gain to provide for just the two of us, I'd never have done college, afforded home, moving,e c,t or met my husband- it all directly led to my prosperity and my marriage. So, answer the question, or don't.. either way, if you are against abortion, you are against my marriage, and the -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c future child I currently carry. Yea, b/c homeless teen moms are SO much better than abortion. No, I did not have the option of adoption, b/c the state wolves should all be executed- lined up and shot in the face on public broadcast on primetime, for the shit they ignore and allow to happen. Tell me, PLEASE, lady- if you or your kid got held down and hit in the face w/ a belt, and some stupid bitch w/ a clipboard came and looked PAST the bruises and said nothing was wrong, would you EVER -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c trust them? I'd LOVE to hear your answer. FUCK CPs, fuck adoption, besides.. the whole reason I was stuck in the abusive home I had was b/c adoption was apparently wrong, and I'd never have been allowed to make that choice, what w/ dear ol dad being my mother's rapist and the reason she was forced to neither abort OR adopt but raise me.. Yeah, options? I don't think so. Hey, go watch my videos 'why i am prochoice' & the four-part 'proof god is evil' IF you can stomach it. Get an education. -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c Moving on, I don't give a SHIT if I'm rude- you, like plenty of other neonazis, deserve it and much more for having the gall to decide what other people do,do not experience, think, feel, and believe based on your own narrowminded idealogies. You can end this convo any time, but I'm not going to apologize for my honesty- as this goes on I'll probably get more and more of a bite, depending on whether or not you have the decency to leave religion out of an argument, especially if you are -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Me a neonazi? Nazis are communist. I am anything BUT communist.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng And lastly, no matter how much i disagree w/ your bullshit, I would NEVER have the nerve of the assholery-intent to tell you what you can/cannot think or feel, or believe, or deny your your own personal fucking history and experiences just to support my own political stances. I'm sure your own idealogies worked out fine for you- or you'd not adhere to them. But in the end, the control-freak here who cannot tolerate other people's differences is you not me. Now answer my questions plz.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c trying to push a slavery-supportive, rape-marriage supportive, homophobia-inducing and murder-supportive faith as a 'base for morality'. Jesus approved of slavery- do you? Careful, now. You only pick&choose the photogenic, the good-looking bible quotes- all religious whackjobs and lairs do- then pretend everything else just never happened, was a 'metaphor' or is a lie.. or they pretend it is something different. Morality is whatever you personally believe to be good/bad, ect. You want an -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat You're pushing crap you made up. LOOK, I get that you have had a horrible life. I GET that you think you have gotten better. But look: you've resorted to Internet debating. And all you ever do is feed me the same stuff about how you were so cruelly treated, how this and that happened, how you've done this and that, and how you have an education. It's a sob story, but this isn't about you. It's about abortion and morality. Stop talking about your "experience" and just reason.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng What did i make up, un? Naw, I haven't 'resorted' to anything.. this is a fun way to kill time. The whole reason i ever started this shit to begin w/ was b/c I randomly got linked to some prolife vid, I thought it was gay and made a single short comment about my abortion and how I'm not sorry or anything, and people jumped my ass like friggin psychopaths, and it went from there. It's quite addicting. ANYWAY- My experience is cold hard fact you can't deny, jackass. Yes, it IS about -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c me, and every other woman on the fucking planet that people like YOU feel the need to judge, dictate, and think FOR. If you had your way abortion would be illegal, right? Yes, this is about me- after this kid is born, I'm never having any again. Pregnancy is hell. I'm not going to swallow down cancer-causing pills or take shots that cause cancer or fuck w/ my hormones, or make my husband wear a condom and thus not enjoy sex, or use an IUD. I'm also NOT planning on NOT making love to my man -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c just b/c there is a RISK of a pregnancy happening- if I get pregnant again after this, I'm aborting, period. I want to work, I want to live, I want to be able to care for the child I'm soon going to have. If your intentions are to deny me that right based on some religious spiel of yours, then yes this is about me- and all other women who don't or cannot afford to even be pregnancy, let alone have children. I'm not trying to fuck w/ YOUR privacy, rights, or body, here- it's vice versa.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Ok, ok, ok, I get it. You don't know shit about my faith, and you don't give a fuck about the millions of lives just mercilessly snuffed out since 1973. Oh, and you know, they had 'reasons' that 'justified' killing Jews, too.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Oh, what did I saya bout your tin god that was not true? Give me an example- the slavery? You want complete bible verses? Which bible do you go by- king james, NIV, what? Funny- I've gone to debate-war with a damn catheter priest once, and in the end he actually resorted to mild personal insults, a promise of hell if I don't 'turn my heart', and that I was mislead by the devil. This came about AFTER pinging him w/ the contradictions in the bible, and the killing verses. Poor fool.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng If you have something to say, and actually care about what you say, you'd better be able to back it up- atleast, you'd better if you talk to me. Cram school is WONDERFUL- You can even study law! What are your majors?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng It stands to reason tha tnot everybody HAS the same opportunities,a bilitie,s LUXURIES as everyone else, and that not all women or teens HAVE the 'option' of adoption- I'm living proof of that shit(and oh, you just CANNOT stand it! Poor you- generalizations are WRONG?!)-and that abortion sometimes IS for the best. Also, it stands to reason that god is not law nor should it be unless you're a supporter of fundamntalism- holy execution, ect.. Like the bible commands..?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c
1 : beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior [noncount] ▪ the changing cultural morality ▪ The group is calling for a return to traditional morality. ▪ Christian morality [count] ▪ two groups with clashing moralities
2 [noncount] : the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something ▪ The decision may be legally justified, but I question its morality. —usually + of ▪ We discussed the morality of telling lies to protect someone.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat You copied and pasted a definition. DOES NOT COUNT.
Wikipedia=horrible source.anybody can write crap on there and pass it off.Get me a quote from the pope, in an encyclical,if u want topretend you know anything about the Church.
I never doubted whathas happened to u,but for the sake of argument,you're only being a sophist.And to make something clear:debating online gets no one anywhere. Look, if you want to understand all this, ask moral questions ofyour friends,not youtubers.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng HAHAHA Now You are being funny. If someone is a liar and lies, it stands to REASON They'd never admit to being a liar, eh? Moving on: Actually, doing this online has helped three different people now: one was a teen girl who was going to abort and ended up not, b/c her family was willing to support her in ANY choice she made, even abortion, and so were her friends but she was just scared, ect.. I talked her into choosing adoption and led her to some useful resources. She recently -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c PMd me thanking me for helping her and talking to her honestly, and that she chose adoption and was happy w/ it. I also talked two other women into aborting, b/c one of them had two children already and needed immediate hospitalization for stomach cancer, and her family needed HER, not some stupid fetus. She chose to abort and got treatment- she's progressing wonderfully, and is happy b/c she can be there for her children and husband. The other was a friend of a friend who was referred to -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c me and her circumstances were complicated- she was about to divorce her husband for cheating on her, and found out she was pregnant, and had no intention of letting HIM keep the child, nor did she want to have a child at the time, and adoption was certainly out of the question b/c his approval would be needed, and he was being so spiteful she was terrified he'd hold up the divorce and sue her for custody and child-support, and she wanted my counsel on aborting. She aborted w/o regret. You -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c CAN occasionally reach out and help people. Oh, so you know- htiler was prolife- aryan women who had abortions were detained and raped on repeat until impregnated again. So were lesbians. If you are going to compare abortion to the holocaust, maybe you should have a little knowledge in the meaning of racism, prejudice, REAL genocide, ect.. There was no rhyme or reason in killing the jews- and Hitler was a catholic too, lol. History channel is wonderful- so are college professors! Dumbass.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You. I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because I have offended Thee my God, who is all Good and worthy of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen.
Laugh at me all you want, ryddelwearahat. Why dont you look up Mother Teresa, 1994 National Prayer Breakfast speech. SHE knows Catholicism.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng I don't care about religious icons. I care about the book they worship. What does the bible say about homosexuals, nonbelievers, rape victims, and slavery? Prove your god is good- do you approve of killing rape-vics or forcing them to marry their rapists? Yes or no. Do you approve of slavery, yes or no. Should 'fags' be executed, yes or no? Should nonbelievers be executed, yes or no? Answer these questions, or let this whole thing the fuck GO, b/c you lost this one long ago, man.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng Oh and, thank you, atleast, for having the respect to not toss me one of this pity-insult 'ill pray for you' lines.. Fuck if I had a penny, just a PENNY, for every time some jackass said that to me when they lost their argument and resorted to religious buffoonery and insults and mockery, I'd be loaded. By the way- all my hostility aside, I faced you head-on and answered your questions willingly and openly. You have refused point-0blank to do so, coward... ..WHY is abortion legal? =)
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat You did not answer my questions, but whatever. It would be easier to see your meaning in person. Anyways, you can't argue that abortion is legal because it's right, for reasons such as no form of government is infallible, and a country is only as good as its people. But anyways, I have to get back to my real life( life beyond the screen), as much as I'd love to actually sanely discuss this with you.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng You wanted the def. of morality, I gave it, you didn't like it b/c it was copypasted- but I also gave you my own def. as well.. Not good enough for you? Too damn bad. See you, then- have a nice, free, and privacy-supportive life! Keep in mind that unlike you and your kind, I'd never DREAM of forcing my beliefs on you, or forcing you to into a sex life you don't want, or force you to use your body in a way you don't want- I have respect for you! Too bad the feeling is not mutual.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat I did not enforce my beliefs on you. You're the one who started the name-calling. I never thought a YouTube debate would ever convince you of anything. I only felt cimpelled to speak what U know and believe is true. You disagree.
I disliked your definition because it showed no thought process, you gave me nothing but "morality is what I feel is right" (not intended to be a word fir word quote). I believe we disagree in whether or not morality is subjective. Am I wrong?
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng No, I'm yet to be convinced of anything except that, when push comes to shove, religious people and prolifers, and homophobes and racists all resort to attempts at psychobabble and 'I know how u really feel' BS and use baseless 'points' to prove they are correct. No, you did attempt to enforce your beliefs by pushing them as facts and not personal opinions. Morality by it's very definition will always be subjective- first lesson in philosophy, religion, AND politics AND psychology: -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c What was 'moral' 200 years ago is now considered pedophilia, prostitution, slavery, and rape- you know, 12yo girls getting SOLD into marriages- this was namely arranged by the jews, catholics, and xtains. Society changed for the better and child-brides stopped being a 'regular, moral' thing as women's rights began to grow- women were 'allowed' to get an educaiton at university- usually taking around 17, 18, 19 years- before marrying.. and so on. Morals changed b/c society did. You want to -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c cling to 'morality', well, hey, morality is subjective. Too bad history and biology, and language(for the most part) are not. Too bad for you, anyway. I base My personal morality on the principles of: what HISTORY has taught us, how i as a person would prefer to be treated/viewed/respected, what biology says, and what works best under current circumstances. In other words, the bible is too far outdated, disproven, and assholery-hypocritical to EVER be considered 'moral' by anyone who has -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c even an OUNCE of respect for history, science, biology, and their own damn person/those around them. Case in point: slavery, rape-marriage, the killing of nonbeleivers/homosexuals/'whores'/ect, and the fact that god has yet to be proven real outside of anecdotal 'i felt this way when i prayed that one time' BS, Because faith-healings of ALL religions, even SATANISM, have occurred, and 'miracle' cancer-going-aways are not proof, just freaks of occurrence. Stick to science, broski.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Ok now, if morality is subjective to you, then why even bother arguing for it? Why do you debate if you think that morality can change throughout history. If it changes by time, what us to say it doesn't change by person, too? Anyways, you can't really think morality subjective AND argue with me about it; that makes no sense.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Morality has nothing to do w/ abortion. It is about biology and history. Biology shows that sex is more than for reproduction- among humans and also animals. Saying consent to sex is consent to parenthood is just silly, so forcing an unwanted child based on that is just illogical. Next up is societal views on slavery- i think it is pretty safe to slavery slavery is, um.. bad.. right? Well, what do you call forcing one person to do something against their will for anothers' gain? =) -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c You cannot legally force one human to assume responsibility for another- that is why adoption and nursing homes exist, right? That applies to pregnancy as well. Collective morality views slavery as wrong- rape as well. Forced physical use/forced physical action is rape/slavery interchangeably. Killing to prevent rape, killing to prevent kidnapping/assault/force of will is all perfectly legal and generally accepted as moral. If not, next time someone tries to rape you, just lay there? -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c Self-defense is generally a morally-acceptable reason for killing- very few people will ACTUALLY denounce killing to save oneself unless they're some fagass hippie idiot vegan who thinks that the life of even a pedophile-baby-eating rapist puppy-burner is 'worth protecting no matter what! life is precious!'. Killing is not intrinsically good nor evil until you allow for context, and the context of 90% of abortions are not out of anger, spite, or for petty gain, but for survival in some form.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@amazieng But, I don't really like going w/ morals except when it is an opportunity to bite someone's head off and twist their own hypocrisy back on them. I stick to biology, personal experiences, and laws concerning human rights and killing. It works wonders until someone gets mad and tries to use personal insults about my 'choosing to be abused' as a child' BS as 'proof' abortion is 'evil'. Also, you cannot 'murder' a non-person and a fetus lacks personhood due to dependence/development.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat "I" not "U"
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...taught you how to reason, but reasoning starts with definitions. Before you can prove any kind of logic, you need definitions for your words. That is what I have been trying to show you. Forget everything else I have said and answer me this one thing, just please: What is morality?
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ... And why do you think being alive and having what it means to be human two such different things? What exactly makes a human being a human being? Does mental ability measure how human we are? I asked this before. What makes a fetus alive? Whatever makes a body first start moving and eventually makes it stop cannot be two different things. What is it that causes LIFE, that must be there to start life and leave to end it? Why can't ...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...why can't you get a heart to start beating again once it's totally stopped? Why don't the electric currents ALWAYS revive a dead person?
Don't bash on religion if you don't know what it is about. You can't discredit Catholicism if you haven't read the pope's encyclicals, or bash on Islam if you haven't read the Koran. Sure, you can criticize people all you want, but if you dont KNOW what they believe, dont understand it, then you can't criticize their religion...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...(But on that, how can you have morals if you have no one focal point in which to base your morals?)
But I understand why this makes you hostile. If someone questions a big decision you made, then you're going to want to defend it. You definitely do not want to spend life regretting it. So anything I say going against what you think was necessary to bring you where you are today, you don't want to hear it, and you want to tear it down. But understand me: if I thought...
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat ...this was just my personal opinion, I wouldn't even be trying to reason with you.
amazieng 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat It's not as if Abby Johnson could sit there and film what she saw; that's why she wrote a book.
A fetus is a body. OK, that's a step up from "chunk of meat." But if a fetus can react to touch, how can you undermine the value of what that means? This fetus is a body, and it can react to it's senses. And like a cockroach, it squirms, even in death. But there, you see, "in death", which means it must have been previously alive. So a human fetus is an alive human body.
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng Do you remember conception, development, birth or oh hell even the first 5 mos of your existence? Please tell me yes or no, and now let me tell you why: B/c 'you' were not 'there' yet. You were living tissue and autonomous, programmed, instinctualized meat. You squealed and screamed when you needed something you twitched and jerked and wriggled and rolled. Before birth, you twitched and moved based on either reaction to stimuli, or b/c electrical/chemical impulses made you. -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c Your body was not you, your body was a bag of sustained meat on life-support like me, your mother, like every living thing in existence that exists through reproduction and fetal development. Yes, it was alive, and that is not the argument or point, That enver WAS the argument or point. The point is, living human meat=nothing. No value, no anything unless you are egotistical to worship man by image alone- your little golden calf is a fetal shell. Pathetic. If it puts the woman at risk, the -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c fetus is as meaningless in value, and as offensive as a tumor or cancer, period. A parasite. It cannot think or feel, it cannot be removed, it just floats and grows. This is perfectly natural and nothing to hide, be ashamed of, anything. But if is also nothing to glorify or excuse or deny or worship or exceptionalize, either. If it puts the woman at risk, then by all means remove it. If not, then keep it. Common logic. Woman>fetus, at all times. If you had to choose between a loved one and -c
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
-c a little developing wad of human meat in a womb, there would be no contest- the loved one trumps everything. If not, you certainly don't love that person. That is the tell, right there. The fetus has no meaning or value outside the fact that it is human dna. You share no memories, aspirations, dreams, no love or hate, no anything- just idealogy and imagination. Why, WHY are people so shallow?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat If that isn't a sense of touch, if not pain, then what is it?
amazieng 11 months ago
-c My foot has Dna. Sperm and egg have Dna. A fertilized egg has dna and potential.. but it is not complete or actual. An acorn is not a tree, an egg is not a chicken.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Also, memory is not proof of personhood. Alzheimers does not make someone less human. And brain activity isn't proof, either. There are plenty of dumb persons. Are they somehow less human than smart people?
amazieng 11 months ago
@amazieng If this will prove to be the extent of your defense, I've seen this movie, man.. my opponent always dies in the end- or results to personal insults. xD Should I stop the DVD, or is this a remake w/ an alternate ending?
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat You just insulted me. When did I directly insult you?
amazieng 11 months ago
Millions of children brutally torn from their mother's womb every year, and somebody thinks they should make a video like this? They think this somehow justifies what goes on in an abortion clinic?
amazieng 1 year ago
life: the potential to overpopulate and ruin the world for everyone
we could do better with a few billion less people,
TekLok 1 year ago
this is a pathetic video. I didnt like it or find any humor in it.
Treefrogs2 1 year ago
I just committed genocide. because i am a man
TheBrotherOfSisters 1 year ago
If god knows everything and created everything, and he KNEW what happened was going to happen, he made that abortion happen.
Who are you to question his judgement?
Now will all the religious nuts get off the 'anti-choice' bandwagon?
theneonfire 1 year ago 3
@theneonfire actually, that's not at all what the Bible says. God isn't some puppet master. It's called free will my misinformed friend, free will.
freshfishbowl 1 year ago
@freshfishbowl
I was commenting that an omniscient, omnipotent, all-creating god and free will are incompatible, but I also challenge you that that isn't what the bible says.
Let's take Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart..."
Or Psalms 139:16: "your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."
How's that, my misinformed friend?
theneonfire 1 year ago
@theneonfire Do you know what the Book of Life is? It's talking about who will accept Christ and who won't. God has a plan for those who trust in him, and you can choose to follow it or abandon it. He isn't controlling you. So yes, sadly you are still misinformed.
freshfishbowl 1 year ago
@freshfishbowl
If god creates people with knowledge that they will die, or go to hell, he is surely responsible in part. For example, if you knew someone would be murdered if they were in a certain place at a certain time, and you take them there without protecting them in any way, you are still somewhat guilty.
theneonfire 1 year ago
This baby might be a bad person so lets kill it in the womb? briliant....
Duckhunterlucas 2 years ago
Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] The term Godwin's law can also refer to the tradition that whoever makes such a comparison is said to "lose" the debate.
cogar48 2 years ago
Killing any person is wrong. There is one God and He alone sits in Final Judgment. May He abundantly bless you all.
KatyKane 2 years ago
Except for the FILTHY VILE SINNERS!
Whom he will TORTURE IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY!
... but he loves you!
ThisIsRysta 2 years ago
If Hitler would have been aborted my grandpa wouldn't have gone to war and would have fucked my grandma too earily for my mother to be born. Therefore I would never have been born...and I guess the same applies to all of you guys. Would you abort Hitler nontheless ?
FatGermanBastard 2 years ago
That's a completely irrelevant question, with no consequences (look into some time-travel fallacies).
Aaberg123 2 years ago
nope, because i might not exist too. This video drips with arrogance.
runningcouger 1 year ago
Great vid - thanks for showing what anti-choicers conveniently leave out!
SpinerFan 2 years ago
You're missing the point of the other video. The idea is that just because they'll grow up in a broken home (a popular argument used by pro-choicers) doesn't mean that the child will be better off if aborted.
Also, according to Godwin's law, you just lost entirely by even bringing up Hitler.
merlock101 2 years ago
The funniest part about it is that Hitler was a Catholic.
jaydogg7253 2 years ago 4
As an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".
Also... yeah I think that killing people who may become evil is intelligent.
Daniellekay00 2 years ago 2
Anyone know the song that's playing? Its pretty :)
eclipsedeed 2 years ago
I'm sure Jar Jar Binks might be convinced by this advertisement.
But intelligent people will see right through it.
YodatheJedi12 2 years ago
A child can grow up to cure cancer or become the next Vlad the Impaler. It's a shit life.
enjoythekill666 2 years ago
I am the next Vlad the Impaler.
MachineLegion 2 years ago
too bad this isn't even funny. This is so lame it's not even offensive to the most passionate pro-lifer.
spotmea30 2 years ago
F**k you i think it's hilarius.
Seoman88 2 years ago
I don't think this vid was meant to be funny or offensive. It was meant to prove a point that the original conveniently avoided. But congrats on missing the message entirely.
mixxycan 2 years ago
so the message was what? Your father was an abuser therefore you should not be allowed to live?..Think before you type... before you post. Thanks mixxy!
Trinidad1107 2 years ago
Sorry that you couldn't understand the video. Perhaps if you would have taken your own advice and thought before you typed, you would have figured it out.
The message was that life, in and of itself, is not always the purely joyous miracle the religious right would have us believe. Sometimes it is in the best interest of the mother, father, and fetus to abort a fetus that is going to be unwanted and unsupported when born.
Thanks Trinidad1107!
mixxycan 2 years ago
i believe we should show both sides of what this baby could it have been
azteckike 2 years ago