When people use the word irony incorrectly, they are actually using irony to describe what irony is a part of, they are describing something known as incongruity.
this reminds me of how every one says "karma is a bitch" when ever something bad happens to some one. wrong. Karma is doing good. You may think life is a bitch but that is life, not karma. idk.
Karma is a belief system where good deeds are rewarded with good fortune, and bad deeds with misfortune. If you do something good, something good will happen to you, however if you do something bad, a misfortune will fall upon you sometime in the future. When people say "karma is a bitch", they are humorously indicating that whatever misfortune just befell them was deserved, as they had previously committed a bad deed sometime prior in their lifetime.
"Its like rain on our wedding day" that IS ironic... you don't even know what the fuck your talking about. Most people see rain as gloomy and unhappy... your wedding is suppose to be the happiest day of your life.... make sure you know what your talking about before you post your next video please.
@danselwyn I love how you think you can judge me! How was I correcting their English? Just for the record my average in English was a 104% bitch. So seriously? Go find something else to do with your time , rather than judging someone who you don't even begin to know or what they've been through. Peace.
Ironic: error, omission, deceit. Distinction from other lying traits, it does not contain ignorance, as there is an expected outcome. I learned it as a sequence of events does not conclude to the expected outcome: The hippy said, "I will correct the Man, the Government, the Establishment, we shall be freedom"; he becomes a Senator and imposes the strongest restrictions ever seen: Ironic, instead of hippy freedom, the goal becomes domination when empowered.
@bobsmith1080p no. it isn't. that's the problem here. its really not ironic. its just ignorant. irony is "saying the opposite of what u mean" not the definition of "that figures"
here is some LOL irony i can afford a xbox 360 or should i say failbox 360 :P but cant afford a nintendo ds and the 360 is like 600 $ and the ds is only about 139$ no thats retarded irony
@5600981 That's partially right, irony can either be a sharp contrast between two things and it can also mean what she said: saying something while meaning the opposite. So a fire in a fire station IS ironic and so is rain on your wedding day.
I see somebody being kicked in the balls and laugh about it, later on I get kicked in the balls and somebody is else laughes. That isnt Irony kicking me in the balls, but KARMA kicking me in the balls!
Alanis Morrisette has said, in interview, that the true irony of the song "Ironic" is that she knew full well that none of her examples were actually ironic.
Someone singing about irony, who doesn't actually know what irony is? The fact that she knew it wasn't ironic, but made you think she didn't know what irony was, in order to prove that she did actually know all along?
let me explain to you. you usually see your wedding day as the happiest day of your life. you would never think that it would rain. the way you described irony made it sound like sarcasm.
actually, "dramatic irony" is actually a literary term taught in english classes. it means when the audience know something that the characters do not. There is also situational irony, which you described as wrong in the video, which is when the outcome is unexpected. Like when an attorney lets a murderer go free, and then the murderer kills the attorney, for example. The last is verbal irony, which is the only form of irony that you described correctly.
you gave the definition of Socratic irony there are 3 types of irony dramatic, Socratic, and situational however Socratic irony is also referred to as verbal irony. however i will agree that Socratic irony is how the word originated but it was then evolved to interpret things that are not limited to speech. such as visual (dramatic) and situational. you don't have to speak to twist your language and irony can be held at the standpoint of ones knowledge.
Irony - an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. Ex. A valedictorian being a janitor. Thats irony, thank-you-very-much and goodnight Mrs.Know-it-all. Theres more than one meaning to that word, the most used definition is the one I'm using in the Ex.
actually the alanis morrisette song is not ironic at all its like she said just unfortunate ive been telling people this since i learned what the definition of irony was a very long time ago and people still try and argue soo ive just gave up on people as a whole misusing this word on a mass scale everyday,,,
Uh she totally screwed up this word. Seriously lol. And by the way Marina if you listened to Alanis Morrisette's Ironic you'd know every NORMAL woman expects their wedding day to be sunny, yet rain would get you the complete opposite. That's ironic, so is winning the lottery on the day you die.
think the idea is not to dwell to much on the subject but to see what it really means to you at the time,any thing can be ironic if you think about it long enough,read between the lines and see what it means to only you.
There is a word for the scenario of "Lawyer frees criminal only to be killed by criminal"
That would be "Tragedy" as the protagonist brings about his own demise, not through hubris but doing what they are supposed to do.
"Situational Irony" would be a defence lawyer inadvertently incriminating his defendant or a prosecution accidentally acquitting the defendant. Things panned out suddenly and opposite as expected.
"Rain on wedding" is not ironic as it could easily rain any day.
Her examples of "irony" actually pertain to sarcasm.
Webster defines irony as: Incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
Rain on a wedding day is actually one of the best examples of irony.. Most people view their wedding day as a day filled with sunshine and glee. If it were to rain on a wedding day, this would prove to be ironic because most people do think of stormy weather on a wedding day.
no! rain on your wedding day is NOT ironic... its just unlucky... so is that. whole. song... its ironic that a woman is singing about irony that does not even know what irony is.
Irony is like... a fire in a fire station... thats ironic... NOT, rain on your wedding day...
I proved you wrong by quoting a definition in a dictionary. No offense but my using a dictionary as a reference gives my statement much more credibility.
When you say, "rain on your wedding day is NOT ironic.. its just unlucky.." Where is the proof?
Couldn't i just say fire at a fire station is not ironic, its just unlucky? (Although fire at a fire station is ironic).
when Alanis Morrisette sang about rain on your wedding day being ironic, she clearly didn't take into consideration that rain on your wedding day traditionally represents a good omen. Meaning that even if you don't expect the rain. You probably do expect a joyful life with your new spouse, which is exactly what the rain is meant to bring you.
THERE YOU HAVE IT... PROOF!
I obtained this information off a legitamate website... talking about irony, and as I read, i found this particular outcut.
@alexkrstin actually, you're right and wrong. it is still not ironic to have a fire in a fire station. that is the same as your example. irony is saying the opposite of what u mean, basically. I say: "I love it when people make fun of me" I am being ironic. get it?
@bontea Irony and sarcasm do not go hand in hand. You would be ironic saying "I love when people make fun of me when I am doing nice things for them" your situation described does not infer a reversal of the expectation. We have no precived notion that you being made fun of is expected. The irony lies in the situation. eg. Fire station catching on fire during fire safety week.
Being made fun of could be because you are wearing a monkey costume projectiling feces. No irony there either.
@Wond3rballs I see ur point, but I assure you, I do understand irony. About my remark, who wants to be made fun of? I mean, someone might, but it's pretty commonplace for someone to not appreciate it. Therefore, it can be inferred that if I say "I love when people make fun of me" I am, in fact, being ironic.
An additional use of irony is when u say something that is intended to decive or withold the entire truth. Look this up. It's very simple. situational irony is separate from verbal.
It is a bit more subtle than that. It is not much of a "coincidence" for it to rain on your wedding day and it is not "contrary" to the aim of the day, that is to join two people in marriage, not "a party" like most people think.
It would be ironic if the priest turned out to be her long lost husband or rain during a sunbathing competition.
Also, a traffic jam would be ironic if you were in a sports car (can't go fast) or if late for work and rushing you only realise it's a holiday on arrival.
I really like the display of irony in Fallout 3. If you choose to blow up this town built around a nuke that didn't go off, when you go back, the robot that greets you at the front gate is buried almost all the way from the nuclear explosion and is stuck on a loop saying, "The bomb is perfectly safe, it will never explode"
the meaning of words evolves over time, as she was explaining, and through common use it has evolved into its current meaning...but she's hot so she's right
It is commonly used wrongly. That doesn't mean its actual meaning has evolved. There seems to be a international divide to me. The majority of people who use it wrongly are from the USA, I think the Canadians are a bit undecided lol.
Alanis Morissette is Canadian and she wrote and sung the song "Ironic" with no bleeding clue what it meant. No Canadians noticed the mistake it took Irish Comedians to finally pick up on it.
Trust me, all over the English speaking world it is misused by people who want to make a smarter sounding word for when "things going slightly wrong".
Treblaine couldn't agree more. I think the comedian your refering to is ed byrne. Very funny guy. Check it out here under "Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette" and then "Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette... Again" my personal favourite especially from 6:00 onwards.
So you watched "Armageddon", right? In the movie this is actually a "definition" of the term irony, yes. The word irony is commonly used that way, too. But the "definition" is incorrect. It's just like hotforwords points out.
That actually happened to Ronald Reagan - John Hinkley Jr. missed the president but a bullet ricocheted off the bullet proof glass of the limousine and struck the president in the chest.
but doesn't language evolve to mean what everybody 'incorrectly' thinks something to mean at one point? in this sense, i think the word inrony does indeed mean what you thought was the incorrect meaning.
you may be a good looking blonde but dont rip appart the words we use in a meaning that we all understand... the word funny meant something completly different years ago when you consider the context of what was funny, irony may have meant that to the latin, but to us it is something that is nationally and intonationally understood as being coincidental or sods law.
Hotforwords, I agree with you about irony. Also, there is a very old greek expression "the Irony Of Fate", which means excaclty what you mention about the wrong meaning of irony in english! So the wrong irony could be ironic luck?
Sorry to say hotforwords, but all you managed to do was give us a history lesson. The word has indeed evolved, much liked the olden use of the word "spoke" which was originally "spake" we grew to reject that usage in today's context, much like we reject the olden use of the term "irony." But even with the evolution of the word, people still mess it up. I guess it's human nature to be erroneous. I like how you explained it though.
Language, as you know so well, is of an organic nature, in that it constantly evolves and changes.
So, rather than claiming that the popular usage of the word "ironic" is incorrect and wrong, as you claim, might it be better to view it as a newly evolved (or evolving) meaning for the word, and therefore of emergent legitimacy?
That's like saying someone who uses a word incorrectly is just making the word evolve! ROFL That really doesn't work WamoVision... Even though words DO evolve, this word is very often used incorrectly and has such a background that people DO use it wrongly in my opinion...
Enough "wrong" use creates a new "right" use. I suggest that is in fact how words evolve, and that the word "irony" is an advanced case.
Citing dictionary sense 5: "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected". Or merriam-webster sense 3a(1): "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result".
Making the dead-attorney example something more than unfortunate.
Irony: a word that is best avoided because some idiot will always tell you that you used it incorrectly, whether or not it was truly used incorrectly.
So, while that makes a lot of sense, the widespread misusage of the word irony in our ever evolving language may someday make Irony mean that funny coincidence... and then someday, 100 years in the future, when a similar video program on a similar website is addressing the word Irony, they have to show that it used to mean something completely different! What majorly blows about this is that honestly, "Irony" is just a cooler sounding word than "Funny Coincidence."
So according to this the small print on contracts which takes away what the large print promises, is ironic. As well as crafty and disingenuous. ...but I trusted him, he seemed like such a nice guy...LOL
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
irony has 4 definitions according to the oxford English dictionary.
1. a figure of speech in which the intended meaning is the opposite of that expressed by the words used.
2. a condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be the expected; a contradictory outcome of events as in mockery of the promise and fitness of things.
3. in etymological sense: dissimulation pretense; esp. in reference to the dissimulation of ignorance practiced by Socrates. 4. iron
Marina: I'm afraid your explanations may have been a little confusing this time. Here are the definitions from Webster's which I have to cite in more than one comment: 1) saying the opposite of what you mean, often in sarcasm or for humorous effect; you got that one right.
2) the contrast between what a character does or says and what the audience knows is true, often called "dramatic irony";
I think drewhenderson13 has a point when he says :irony- incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
and
this is often NOw called dramatic.
ironic to me is: the most dramatical and possible "result"
a weird event where the result is not expected and is flashy.
The thing that you said about the attorney and the murderer, that is ironic! Because he murders the only guy that convinced everyone he isn't a murderer... I think that can't be anymore ironic.
Yh! i know im a guy who has nothing to do but ... Well i go to school ... and normal stuff ... but this girl should really get a job if she havn't nothing to do ... who wants a online dictionary well this is stupid..
i get iritated when people confuse Ironic, Coincidental, and Sarcastic.
irony- incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
this is often NOw called dramatic irony but it is really the only definition that is the corect usage of the word.
anything else is just coincidental or sarcastic. what has happened is the word has been misused so much that it is now considered a synonym of these words and shares their definitions.
Also, having or taking on the properties of a ferrous substance. So if someone asks you to give them an example of irony then you could say that buckshot is irony, an old knife is irony, anything that rusts also ironic, etc. :)
Ironicly, The word HAS come to mean what modern users of the word believe it to mean. Cultural communication trumps archaic intents. Is that a plot of original IRONY or merely unfortunate?
The girl is pretty hot, I'll give her that.
gladosadoree 5 months ago
A youtube video that explains the evil of watching youtube videos. Ironic!!
uknichu 7 months ago
presenting it as yourse please tell me its not ironic
ME200576 8 months ago
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you fucking russian bitch
binmunbruce 11 months ago
Marina's bedroom looks like something out of "I dream of Jeannie".
How ironic :)
furrylogic101 1 year ago
I hate TV meanwhile you watch TV every day.
Wow, she has no clue. Irony is a kind of ridicule. It is not only saying the opposite what could also be called a lie.
Isn't it enough to be sexy? Why trying to be sophisticated?
WasGibtsLeute 1 year ago
Woe
mcflylover84 1 year ago
When people use the word irony incorrectly, they are actually using irony to describe what irony is a part of, they are describing something known as incongruity.
lifeofanidiot 1 year ago
isn't she defining sarcasm?
hectormurray28 1 year ago
this reminds me of how every one says "karma is a bitch" when ever something bad happens to some one. wrong. Karma is doing good. You may think life is a bitch but that is life, not karma. idk.
HearInColor 1 year ago
@HearInColor
Karma is a belief system where good deeds are rewarded with good fortune, and bad deeds with misfortune. If you do something good, something good will happen to you, however if you do something bad, a misfortune will fall upon you sometime in the future. When people say "karma is a bitch", they are humorously indicating that whatever misfortune just befell them was deserved, as they had previously committed a bad deed sometime prior in their lifetime.
Cirebocaj 8 months ago
wll you marry me
ThrowedOffInk 1 year ago 2
OMG STOP GIVING THIS THUMBS UP, HER DEFINITION OF IRONY IS COMPLETELY WRONG AND RETARDED!!
Zerrith 1 year ago 3
@Zerrith What is your definition of ironic then
synth77 1 year ago
go brunette
TheGarywilliams 1 year ago
how come I have never come trough these wonderful educational videos on youtube lol
dmaphia 1 year ago
Saying one thing when you mean something else. I thought that was sarcasm?
davembfan85 1 year ago
wait, i will be naughtified when ur new vid is up, or notified? former plz :)
MuddyTonic 1 year ago
Is this some 'get russian prostitutes to to talk about something they think they know about?"
You're fucking retarded you blonde cunt.
goatsemansanus 1 year ago
"Its like rain on our wedding day" that IS ironic... you don't even know what the fuck your talking about. Most people see rain as gloomy and unhappy... your wedding is suppose to be the happiest day of your life.... make sure you know what your talking about before you post your next video please.
DarkGraveYardAngel 1 year ago
@DarkGraveYardAngel It's ironic that while you're correcting someone's english your comment shows your own linguistic ineptitude.
danselwyn 1 year ago
@danselwyn I love how you think you can judge me! How was I correcting their English? Just for the record my average in English was a 104% bitch. So seriously? Go find something else to do with your time , rather than judging someone who you don't even begin to know or what they've been through. Peace.
DarkGraveYardAngel 1 year ago
Ironic: error, omission, deceit. Distinction from other lying traits, it does not contain ignorance, as there is an expected outcome. I learned it as a sequence of events does not conclude to the expected outcome: The hippy said, "I will correct the Man, the Government, the Establishment, we shall be freedom"; he becomes a Senator and imposes the strongest restrictions ever seen: Ironic, instead of hippy freedom, the goal becomes domination when empowered.
WOWJBEOWULF 1 year ago
How is saying you hate TV when you actually watch TV ironic? That's sarcasm.. This video sucks.
Zerrith 1 year ago
How ironic that that woman isn't IRONING MY CLOTHES! GET BACK WHERE YOU BELONG
diefje 1 year ago
Ironic Means that the unfortunate of this word of coincidence .
Rustam6042 1 year ago
The school system sucks. They taught me that irony was a fire at the fireman's ball. Stupid school. No wonder the Japanese are kicking our asses.
KDizzy6 1 year ago
The song ironic by alanis morissette contains no irony. That is ironic.
bobsmith1080p 1 year ago
@bobsmith1080p no. it isn't. that's the problem here. its really not ironic. its just ignorant. irony is "saying the opposite of what u mean" not the definition of "that figures"
bontea 1 year ago
here is some LOL irony i can afford a xbox 360 or should i say failbox 360 :P but cant afford a nintendo ds and the 360 is like 600 $ and the ds is only about 139$ no thats retarded irony
unicron245 1 year ago
this video sucks and my response should not be interpret ironically
AnlikerMr 1 year ago
@AnlikerMr <--- only correct use of irony on this WHOLE FRIKKIN FORUM. lol. yay u.
bontea 1 year ago
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AnlikerMr 1 year ago
example of irony: a dentist get's a cavity
definition: when something happens that corresponds to what the exact opposite or parallel to what it is.
..i think
5600981 1 year ago
@5600981 That's partially right, irony can either be a sharp contrast between two things and it can also mean what she said: saying something while meaning the opposite. So a fire in a fire station IS ironic and so is rain on your wedding day.
Isteinier 1 year ago
I see somebody being kicked in the balls and laugh about it, later on I get kicked in the balls and somebody is else laughes. That isnt Irony kicking me in the balls, but KARMA kicking me in the balls!
g4yktzgjx6 1 year ago
Actually ur not using it right....get ur facts right when u wanna make a scripted video idiot....
VisualKeiScene 1 year ago
@VisualKeiScene Fag. Shes hot. She can scripted what ever the fuck she wants and be right whether she's right or wrong.
bobsmith1080p 1 year ago
Alanis Morrisette has said, in interview, that the true irony of the song "Ironic" is that she knew full well that none of her examples were actually ironic.
Someone singing about irony, who doesn't actually know what irony is? The fact that she knew it wasn't ironic, but made you think she didn't know what irony was, in order to prove that she did actually know all along?
Just a little bit too ironic, don't you think? ;D
KlaxonCow 1 year ago 3
lol!... my mom thought i was watching porn
dante2k8 2 years ago
if you want to see hilarious irony in action check out "and thats ironic" by jopocala
jopocala 2 years ago
let me explain to you. you usually see your wedding day as the happiest day of your life. you would never think that it would rain. the way you described irony made it sound like sarcasm.
caughtinastorm 2 years ago
actually, "dramatic irony" is actually a literary term taught in english classes. it means when the audience know something that the characters do not. There is also situational irony, which you described as wrong in the video, which is when the outcome is unexpected. Like when an attorney lets a murderer go free, and then the murderer kills the attorney, for example. The last is verbal irony, which is the only form of irony that you described correctly.
megsd212 2 years ago
Actually there is different kinds of irony. So people use it right, but the way you explain it in the video is also correct. :)
SammieAndFriends 2 years ago
Ok, so if ive commented twice now about the same thing, its because it just froze saying 'adding comment'
ANYWAY, she said about the car crash and the response from the bloke was "ooh, Great"
Well NEWS FLASH thats SARCASM, also her end defonition was also just a way sarcasm is used!
MiCL19 2 years ago
its pretty hard to belive her since she cant even pronounce a word :D
wakmikmakh 2 years ago
i think you are deaf then... it's very easy to understand what she says... and i'm not even from an english speaking country...
RockeroNato 2 years ago
probably thats why...
wakmikmakh 2 years ago
what is ironic is that nobody can use it incorrectly because nobody can define what it means...
smellydee 2 years ago
can I DO U!!!!!!
muqo13 2 years ago
ur hot
troyoyboygh 2 years ago
I have subscribed, because I want to be naughtyfied when ur next lesson is up!
selvmordspilot 2 years ago
Why did none of my English teachers look like this?
prestonpb 2 years ago
Natural? Yeah right...o.o
whateverTobbe 2 years ago
WTF lol ??????? ? -the real crackbone
friedman1962 2 years ago
"It's like rain on your wedding day" is not ironic.
However, if the person you are getting married to is a meteorologist and they chose the date,
thats ironic.
Woffo 2 years ago
It sounded at certain points of the video that she more was talking about the word sarcasm/sarcastic than irony
LinaliandNavar 2 years ago
so i ask that if you are going to educate people on a word please do all the research sorry for the second post but hit word count limit
buritocult 2 years ago
you gave the definition of Socratic irony there are 3 types of irony dramatic, Socratic, and situational however Socratic irony is also referred to as verbal irony. however i will agree that Socratic irony is how the word originated but it was then evolved to interpret things that are not limited to speech. such as visual (dramatic) and situational. you don't have to speak to twist your language and irony can be held at the standpoint of ones knowledge.
buritocult 2 years ago
So it's like sarcasm?
SammieAndFriends 2 years ago
Irony - an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. Ex. A valedictorian being a janitor. Thats irony, thank-you-very-much and goodnight Mrs.Know-it-all. Theres more than one meaning to that word, the most used definition is the one I'm using in the Ex.
xpiotophos 2 years ago
In America, you have hotforwords, in Soviet Russia, words are hot for you!
justin74923 2 years ago
actually the alanis morrisette song is not ironic at all its like she said just unfortunate ive been telling people this since i learned what the definition of irony was a very long time ago and people still try and argue soo ive just gave up on people as a whole misusing this word on a mass scale everyday,,,
its sad actually
muhfuckinganthony 2 years ago
A Porn Star, Playing A Virgin In A Movie!! Ironic
LtHarkness187 2 years ago 17
a porn movie?
JimB667 2 years ago
Uh she totally screwed up this word. Seriously lol. And by the way Marina if you listened to Alanis Morrisette's Ironic you'd know every NORMAL woman expects their wedding day to be sunny, yet rain would get you the complete opposite. That's ironic, so is winning the lottery on the day you die.
naomitastic 2 years ago
lol this is the epitome of ironic
naomitastic 2 years ago
isn't that sarcasm?
maxiflo 2 years ago
Fire truck catching fire :)
Bringbacknyhm 2 years ago
(O_O)....win
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
you know whats ironic? youtube is a typo in the comment typing thing, ON YOUTUBE
ILovePeanutButter718 2 years ago
i'd like to ironically jizz in ya eyes!!!!! -_-
LyricallyEmphatic 2 years ago
how about a dude writes a good song about smoking weed, but he forgets it. Because he was high. On weed. Imma go write that song down
rabidninja 2 years ago 15
is there any way to see her naked
MassacreMagix 2 years ago
speedy is an ironic name for a snail
MassacreMagix 2 years ago
this bitch dosnt even know her self what irony means - eg of irony is - a fire man dying in a fire - enyone who watches family guy would know that
EvilNemesis1992 2 years ago
think the idea is not to dwell to much on the subject but to see what it really means to you at the time,any thing can be ironic if you think about it long enough,read between the lines and see what it means to only you.
splashding 3 years ago
They often say Americans do not understand Irony.
I think this is true.
dojufitz 3 years ago
There is a word for the scenario of "Lawyer frees criminal only to be killed by criminal"
That would be "Tragedy" as the protagonist brings about his own demise, not through hubris but doing what they are supposed to do.
"Situational Irony" would be a defence lawyer inadvertently incriminating his defendant or a prosecution accidentally acquitting the defendant. Things panned out suddenly and opposite as expected.
"Rain on wedding" is not ironic as it could easily rain any day.
Treblaine 3 years ago
This video is ironically false.
Her examples of "irony" actually pertain to sarcasm.
Webster defines irony as: Incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
Rain on a wedding day is actually one of the best examples of irony.. Most people view their wedding day as a day filled with sunshine and glee. If it were to rain on a wedding day, this would prove to be ironic because most people do think of stormy weather on a wedding day.
TeamMichigan112 3 years ago
no! rain on your wedding day is NOT ironic... its just unlucky... so is that. whole. song... its ironic that a woman is singing about irony that does not even know what irony is.
Irony is like... a fire in a fire station... thats ironic... NOT, rain on your wedding day...
alexkrstin 3 years ago 6
I proved you wrong by quoting a definition in a dictionary. No offense but my using a dictionary as a reference gives my statement much more credibility.
When you say, "rain on your wedding day is NOT ironic.. its just unlucky.." Where is the proof?
Couldn't i just say fire at a fire station is not ironic, its just unlucky? (Although fire at a fire station is ironic).
TeamMichigan112 3 years ago
when Alanis Morrisette sang about rain on your wedding day being ironic, she clearly didn't take into consideration that rain on your wedding day traditionally represents a good omen. Meaning that even if you don't expect the rain. You probably do expect a joyful life with your new spouse, which is exactly what the rain is meant to bring you.
THERE YOU HAVE IT... PROOF!
I obtained this information off a legitamate website... talking about irony, and as I read, i found this particular outcut.
alexkrstin 3 years ago
This is a return to the comment I recieved off TeamMichingan112.
alexkrstin 3 years ago
@alexkrstin actually, you're right and wrong. it is still not ironic to have a fire in a fire station. that is the same as your example. irony is saying the opposite of what u mean, basically. I say: "I love it when people make fun of me" I am being ironic. get it?
bontea 1 year ago
@bontea Irony and sarcasm do not go hand in hand. You would be ironic saying "I love when people make fun of me when I am doing nice things for them" your situation described does not infer a reversal of the expectation. We have no precived notion that you being made fun of is expected. The irony lies in the situation. eg. Fire station catching on fire during fire safety week.
Being made fun of could be because you are wearing a monkey costume projectiling feces. No irony there either.
Wond3rballs 1 year ago
@Wond3rballs I see ur point, but I assure you, I do understand irony. About my remark, who wants to be made fun of? I mean, someone might, but it's pretty commonplace for someone to not appreciate it. Therefore, it can be inferred that if I say "I love when people make fun of me" I am, in fact, being ironic.
An additional use of irony is when u say something that is intended to decive or withold the entire truth. Look this up. It's very simple. situational irony is separate from verbal.
bontea 1 year ago
@bontea "i love it when people make fun of me" is not an ironic sentence whatsoever, and i'm no literate genius to tell you that. That is sarcasm.
alexkrstin 10 months ago
It is a bit more subtle than that. It is not much of a "coincidence" for it to rain on your wedding day and it is not "contrary" to the aim of the day, that is to join two people in marriage, not "a party" like most people think.
It would be ironic if the priest turned out to be her long lost husband or rain during a sunbathing competition.
Also, a traffic jam would be ironic if you were in a sports car (can't go fast) or if late for work and rushing you only realise it's a holiday on arrival.
Treblaine 3 years ago
i'm still confused lol
sambo416 3 years ago
try to use a bit more head room when you film so it doesnt look so lame
pittythefooh 3 years ago
I really like the display of irony in Fallout 3. If you choose to blow up this town built around a nuke that didn't go off, when you go back, the robot that greets you at the front gate is buried almost all the way from the nuclear explosion and is stuck on a loop saying, "The bomb is perfectly safe, it will never explode"
BeAsTm0aD 3 years ago
awesome game
TeamMichigan112 3 years ago
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Morten1933 3 years ago
the meaning of words evolves over time, as she was explaining, and through common use it has evolved into its current meaning...but she's hot so she's right
varcobra345 3 years ago
It is commonly used wrongly. That doesn't mean its actual meaning has evolved. There seems to be a international divide to me. The majority of people who use it wrongly are from the USA, I think the Canadians are a bit undecided lol.
aidanmags06 3 years ago
if you think that the majority of the USA are fucking dumb then it sound me logical
AlwaysDreamChaser 3 years ago
Na, i don't realy think that. Their just misguided lol.
aidanmags06 3 years ago
Alanis Morissette is Canadian and she wrote and sung the song "Ironic" with no bleeding clue what it meant. No Canadians noticed the mistake it took Irish Comedians to finally pick up on it.
Trust me, all over the English speaking world it is misused by people who want to make a smarter sounding word for when "things going slightly wrong".
Treblaine 3 years ago
Treblaine couldn't agree more. I think the comedian your refering to is ed byrne. Very funny guy. Check it out here under "Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette" and then "Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette... Again" my personal favourite especially from 6:00 onwards.
aidanmags06 3 years ago
I was SOooo focused on the lesson. The teacher is absolutely not disturbing me from learning!! :P IRONY
clubtercelquebec 3 years ago
Irony is when you're on a plane while listening to a song that is made by a band who died on a plane crash.
bangNL94 3 years ago
So you watched "Armageddon", right? In the movie this is actually a "definition" of the term irony, yes. The word irony is commonly used that way, too. But the "definition" is incorrect. It's just like hotforwords points out.
gronkar66 3 years ago
irony is when you get bulletproof glass, but the bullet misses you and ricochets of the glass and hits you in the forehead
romo2barber 3 years ago
yes lol
bangNL94 3 years ago
That actually happened to Ronald Reagan - John Hinkley Jr. missed the president but a bullet ricocheted off the bullet proof glass of the limousine and struck the president in the chest.
RealSeishi 3 years ago
that's from Con-air XD The crazy child killer said that when they were all partying to Sweet Home Alabama
BeAsTm0aD 3 years ago
alot of the best irony comes from people that cause their own downfall through stupidity and lack of awareness.
theratking 3 years ago
yea true, especially since america became its own country words have changed their meaning
sagem14 3 years ago 3
Im pretty sure that the type of irony that she says is not irony is called situational irony. The type that she defines is called verbal irony.
bachrocker1 3 years ago
but doesn't language evolve to mean what everybody 'incorrectly' thinks something to mean at one point? in this sense, i think the word inrony does indeed mean what you thought was the incorrect meaning.
annoyingweirdo 3 years ago
getting killed by being hit by an ambulance is ironic.
dannypp1 3 years ago 2
shut up. this helps nothing!
dannypp1 3 years ago
You described sarcasm, not irony. If your husband crashes the car and you say "Great." that's not ironic, that's sarcastic.
iheartjellotimesten 3 years ago
you may be a good looking blonde but dont rip appart the words we use in a meaning that we all understand... the word funny meant something completly different years ago when you consider the context of what was funny, irony may have meant that to the latin, but to us it is something that is nationally and intonationally understood as being coincidental or sods law.
bakerboy86 3 years ago
wait, wait, if Irony mean saying on thing that you don't really mean isn't then kinda lying...
nibargerswife51482 3 years ago
Hotforwords, I agree with you about irony. Also, there is a very old greek expression "the Irony Of Fate", which means excaclty what you mention about the wrong meaning of irony in english! So the wrong irony could be ironic luck?
deethisseion 3 years ago
When the opposite of what was intended happens, it is "irony".
Not to be confused with "coincidental" or "unfortunate".
neothomist1275 3 years ago
Sorry to say hotforwords, but all you managed to do was give us a history lesson. The word has indeed evolved, much liked the olden use of the word "spoke" which was originally "spake" we grew to reject that usage in today's context, much like we reject the olden use of the term "irony." But even with the evolution of the word, people still mess it up. I guess it's human nature to be erroneous. I like how you explained it though.
CelestialCatalyst 3 years ago 3
Marina, my dearest teacher,
Language, as you know so well, is of an organic nature, in that it constantly evolves and changes.
So, rather than claiming that the popular usage of the word "ironic" is incorrect and wrong, as you claim, might it be better to view it as a newly evolved (or evolving) meaning for the word, and therefore of emergent legitimacy?
Gwillikers! I love you!
WamoVision 3 years ago 4
That's like saying someone who uses a word incorrectly is just making the word evolve! ROFL That really doesn't work WamoVision... Even though words DO evolve, this word is very often used incorrectly and has such a background that people DO use it wrongly in my opinion...
shoelace510 3 years ago
Enough "wrong" use creates a new "right" use. I suggest that is in fact how words evolve, and that the word "irony" is an advanced case.
Citing dictionary sense 5: "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected". Or merriam-webster sense 3a(1): "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result".
Making the dead-attorney example something more than unfortunate.
VisiBone 3 years ago
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fuck you are so annoying
PJRUNSTHINGS 3 years ago
so are you...
jpc51768 3 years ago
shh
PJRUNSTHINGS 3 years ago
irony/ironic is one of the hardest words to learn ever lmao i will never figure it out
lonelyprincess93 3 years ago 5
so that means that the true definition of irony is similar to the definition of sarcasm?
Both words are defined as saying something when you mean something else.
metalmilitia89 3 years ago
Wow. My English professors have it all wrong then...
Wolfe
Ardenwolfe 3 years ago
I think Irony is the sweeter version of sarcasm. Sarcasm is usually harsh. Irony not. I think?
notouchi 3 years ago
wow this is so irony.... oh wait oops
AzNsenSAZNs 3 years ago
So what is the difference between irony and sarcasm? :S
Bladeswift 3 years ago
So "Irony" and "Sarcasm" IS the same thing?
v8xp88xc 3 years ago
Irony: a word that is best avoided because some idiot will always tell you that you used it incorrectly, whether or not it was truly used incorrectly.
13generation13 3 years ago 3
So, while that makes a lot of sense, the widespread misusage of the word irony in our ever evolving language may someday make Irony mean that funny coincidence... and then someday, 100 years in the future, when a similar video program on a similar website is addressing the word Irony, they have to show that it used to mean something completely different! What majorly blows about this is that honestly, "Irony" is just a cooler sounding word than "Funny Coincidence."
TheFranzX 3 years ago
Hi Marina!
Get at me!
protac6 3 years ago
my dad told me about irony a few years back. "I don't like it I love it" is an example, right?
taranmg 3 years ago
Irony is when the actual meaning differs from the literal meaning.
Plain and simple.
pegasus1337 4 years ago
this works so much better when you turn the sound off, Ironic isn't it?
(Now, am I using Ironic in the correct sense or not, think about it ;-)
Blafin 4 years ago
hahaha u got the song ironic thing from a commedian called ed byrne
onkeyeater 4 years ago
hahaha u got the song ironic thing from a commedian called ed byrne
onkeyeater 4 years ago
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B00ring.
dutchdelights 4 years ago
So according to this the small print on contracts which takes away what the large print promises, is ironic. As well as crafty and disingenuous. ...but I trusted him, he seemed like such a nice guy...LOL
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
rayunseitig 4 years ago
ohhh......you got somethin on sarcasm
shaggyBalz 4 years ago
irony has 4 definitions according to the oxford English dictionary.
1. a figure of speech in which the intended meaning is the opposite of that expressed by the words used.
2. a condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be the expected; a contradictory outcome of events as in mockery of the promise and fitness of things.
3. in etymological sense: dissimulation pretense; esp. in reference to the dissimulation of ignorance practiced by Socrates. 4. iron
ben4eggs 4 years ago
Dear accent girl with pigtails,
I love you.*
Love,
Me :-)
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ZWylde7901 4 years ago
yea irony is very commonly misconcept
satinsilverk20a2 4 years ago
Great explanation!
AngelWest 4 years ago
Def. #5: Last one! "Socratic irony" which you discussed: feigning ignorance in argument. Just trying to help :)
COWESSES 4 years ago
Def #4: a cool, detached attitude, characterized by awareness of the incongruities of experience
COWESSES 4 years ago
Definition #3: my previous comment is an example of this form or irony: a result that is the opposite of what's expected or considered appropriate.
COWESSES 4 years ago
Me again! The example of the killer killing his lawyer is indeed ironic because it isn't expected.
COWESSES 4 years ago
Marina: I'm afraid your explanations may have been a little confusing this time. Here are the definitions from Webster's which I have to cite in more than one comment: 1) saying the opposite of what you mean, often in sarcasm or for humorous effect; you got that one right.
2) the contrast between what a character does or says and what the audience knows is true, often called "dramatic irony";
COWESSES 4 years ago
Interesting.
Idont think is sarcasm.
sarcasm is:having fun with the fact
Is and attitude to speak, to act.(negative or positive) goes often with exaggeration.
thats what I understand.like I said.
interesting.
azteckk 4 years ago
Hi.
nice word:
I think drewhenderson13 has a point when he says :irony- incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
and
this is often NOw called dramatic.
ironic to me is: the most dramatical and possible "result"
a weird event where the result is not expected and is flashy.
result of actions.
azteckk 4 years ago
So irony could be associated with sarcasm!
mad621 4 years ago
The thing that you said about the attorney and the murderer, that is ironic! Because he murders the only guy that convinced everyone he isn't a murderer... I think that can't be anymore ironic.
zontaro 4 years ago
Yh! i know im a guy who has nothing to do but ... Well i go to school ... and normal stuff ... but this girl should really get a job if she havn't nothing to do ... who wants a online dictionary well this is stupid..
smo0ck 4 years ago
its like the word "ain't"
it has been used so much that it is now in the dictionary.
is it an effective word in comunication... you could say so.
is it correct... no.
drewhenderson13 4 years ago
i get iritated when people confuse Ironic, Coincidental, and Sarcastic.
irony- incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.
this is often NOw called dramatic irony but it is really the only definition that is the corect usage of the word.
anything else is just coincidental or sarcastic. what has happened is the word has been misused so much that it is now considered a synonym of these words and shares their definitions.
drewhenderson13 4 years ago
swolen
liuwenjie6678 4 years ago
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boaby22 4 years ago
That is so cute. He is trying so hard to be ironic. (I think you actually got it right. gj)
nanocss 4 years ago
Hi Lovely!
Love your video's
I have Dyslexia.. hard to whright to?!
But i don't know what it really meens.
I know i have trubbles whriting but i can handel m'n pencil. hihi,..
i love to make drawings.
XxXy from Holland...
WWWCTCHNL 4 years ago
Also, having or taking on the properties of a ferrous substance. So if someone asks you to give them an example of irony then you could say that buckshot is irony, an old knife is irony, anything that rusts also ironic, etc. :)
Fun247247 4 years ago
Great weather !!!
But the weather is perfectly detestable.
One thing is said,...but another is intended.
Jesus used this greek form of communication.
The false church thinks Jesus is giving them instructions for holy living."""words in red"""Parables""" in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and 1/2 of John...
No, Jesus is ironiclly describing the law of Moses to Israel,...who lived under that law...
By the way,..nice brains,..as well as...
justplayman 4 years ago
Ironicly, The word HAS come to mean what modern users of the word believe it to mean. Cultural communication trumps archaic intents. Is that a plot of original IRONY or merely unfortunate?
thegregbrown 4 years ago
I just found a fly in my chardonnay. That is sooooo ironic.
ericarmstrong1 4 years ago
look at all the people that wanna learn
Delta9son 4 years ago
just thought i'd point it out, crashing the car and your wife saying oh great is sarcasm, not irony.
you're hot.
woo.
lofty49 4 years ago
it's also ironic. how can you be sarcastic without being ironic, ey?
benja54 4 years ago
In a way the alanis morrisette words are ironic considering her concealment of her knowledge of the definition of the word "ironic."
wardrone8 4 years ago