Why everybody here is talking about being the better and so on???
This is really stupid, I think all that lazy people should go to a Dojo or another place, “pour” a lot and train hard… no talk but go to work and be always humble! Osu!!
nikyokushin ni san shou se ve una pelea de kickboxing. me da a pensar que la mejor forma para hacer un combate es el kickboxing ya que todas las artes marciales de contacto a la hora de llevarla a la realidad si quiere salir vencedor es moverse como un kickboxer. ahi claramente no se ve un karateca ni tampoco una persona que realiza kung fu
This kind of fighting is not very fair, since the Kyokushin guy is fighting out of his elements. A more fair competition would be one round in Sanshou Rules, and then another in Kyokushin, and so on, for an even number of rounds. And if it is clear that nobody dominates, then declare a draw. That way, the winner will have to be good in both styles of fighting.
Im a brown belt in Kyokushin, but next month Im fighting in the Battle of Columbus doing San Shou. A bit nervous because its a little out of my element but Im hoping it all goes well.
without gloves? you kidding me? The chinese would have HUGE advantage without gloves. I know this because i grew up in china and learned san da. while i am learning san da, the group next to us was practicing IRON finger. you dont wanna get poked by them. it would be pretty scary.
even if they dont allow finger poking, the chinese still got the tiger claw or the eagle claw.
@chinafobbyboi Unfortunately, with those things you're quickly moving away from fighting sports and into the realm of mythical nonsense, much like utter crap like 'chi makes me invulnerable' while that's just the concentration any decent fighter has.
And mythical nonsense works great at willing students in demonstrations, and keeps mediocre teachers in employ, but please don't bother don't defend yourself with it, let alone bring such things against a trained fighter.
I think you are making mistakes between iron finger and Qi . There are some people demo dim mak with qi to knock people out by using hypnosis and suggestions, and it is pretty much utter crap does not work in real world.
on the other hand, Iron finger is practiced through years of finger push ups, poking the sands, and poking rocks. You can think it as having a niddle on the hand of the fighter.
unfortunately, sport is entertainment, such weapon would not be cool in K1 or MMA.
@chinafobbyboi About that Iron finger stuff, there is a record of ancient olimpic games of one pankration fighter who won the games perhaps even several times I can't remember. His speciality was stabing opnents with his hand, I asume with fingers. So if someone would actually go through such training he could make grappling in mma useless but that would be not in spirit of sport as you said.
@Blahb27 You are wrong about Iron finger technigues they are much like Muay Thai shin conditioning, there are records form anciant Olimpics of one fighter wining pankration "tournament" by stabing his oponents, if someone who has hardend his fingers for years would scratch you he could rip your skin and mucles off of course there are nutters who don't bother to do conditioning several years and do it anyway and that has same evect on oponents as tickling or they just break their fingers :)
@Theseus1000 Except that it isn't possible to harden a bone to such a point, and therefore it is all just myth and utter nonsense. Skin is tough by nature, and can take several kilo's of pulling force. The ligaments holding fingers in place however are much more vulnerable. If you tried to 'rip skin off', all you'd succeed in doing is dislocating fingers.
Why do you think such stories are all from ancient history? Because it's nonsense, and nowadays people want to see such things tested first.
@Blahb27 Ancient Greeks would't lie about olimpic games since they were sacred, besides there examples today. Mas Oyama was killing buls by smashing their sculs with hands, There is also master Tak Kobuta who in front of an budo internacional junalist hamered his fingers there are also videos here on yt. of him hiting Iron of course no one can kill a person in front of camera for fans to have proof. If animals can get killed so can humans.
@Blahb27 i study kung fu dude. chinafobbyboi is dead on. eagle fist, tiger fist, and leopard fist are just a few that you don't want to get caught with. you get slashed up by one of those dudes a few times and you might have a different opinion. then there's something called qin na which means 'seize and control' (rough translation). check out a vid on that. it's some wicked stuff.
@chinafobbyboi This is a chinese (no original) comunist-nationalist constuction. The real Knock Down started with Muay Thai long time ago and then, modern Karate Knock Down with Mas Oyama. Sanshou or sanda isa new martial and this a a real martial art no gloved as sanshou witch is a sport combat!
yeah, sanda is pretty new. sanda is pretty much some boxing + muay thai + some taekowndo. most of the older combat skills were lost in the culture revolution. All the traditonal combat skills are now called wushu = dancing.
American Kickboxing largely derives from karate (karate originated in Okinawa, Japan) guys wanting to compete full contact... So comparing karate to kickboxing is a bit weird. French Savate is different, so is Muay Thai. San Shou is supposed to be a form of Kung Fu, btw. So not all Kung Fu is just flash and no effect. There are a lot of practical MA styles in China the rest of the world is unaware of. Such as Shuai Jiao, for instance. Personally, I'd like to learn more.
@Agtren Shuai Jiao has been emplemented into San shou many years ago. The only part of this combat art that needs improvement is the hands. Cung Le worked with an American boxing coach to improve his effectiveness in San Shou and MMA.
@clearcombat Cung Le got his throws from his freestyle wrestling days in college. He did not learn them from a Shuai Jiao instructor, though I suppose it's possible he practiced with some SJ guys. Since Cung lives in the States, I think it would be easier for him to get wrestlers and judoists for sparring partners. SJ is comparatively rare.
@Agtren True and false. Cung's folkstyle (not freestyle) wrestling is his foundation, but he was on the national team 3 times, and trained SS/SJ based throwing with his coaches there.
@ciganodeouro besides kyokushin rules r based in body punches and head kicks, san shou users trains hitting to the head with punchs and kicks, no mentioning knees and elbows...chinese sanshou is even usd in the military
@ciganodeouro Man you really don't knows shit about fighting. kyokushin rules are unrealistic and SUCKS, it does'nt allow the fighter to punch the opponents' head. punching the head is the most easy way to knock a person out. In real life combat without rules that Kyokushin guy will get owned ever harder.
The karate guy could've won, but I think the Sanshou fighter fought more intelligently, probably because he was much more experienced. The Kyokushin guy would constantly have the initiation to strike, but the Sanshou fighter would wait for an opening and strike efficiently.
there was a tournament n taiwan some years back(70's) and it pitted 10 lei tai fighters against 10 muay thai fighters. The thai fighters lost miserably because they could not compete with the grappling ability of the chinese. Reminds me of the duel of kodokan vs. fusen ryu. Muay thai fighters don't train throws unless they're learning for self-protection or are cross-training for mma.
the kick boxing, kyokushin, san shou, savate, muay tai, are vey similiar, when 2 figthers from diferent disipline fight, you cant meassure the discipline, yo only can meassure the figther`s skylls.
The skill is whats counting the most, thats for sure but in my opinion you can definitely see difrences between muay tai or san shou in comparison to kickboxing.
Savate and kick boxing are practicaly the same in my opinion..
this video made me leave kyokushin, no matter how good at kyokushin you get, you are severely limiting your fighting ability by not training in grappling or head kicks, therefore even an average mma fighter could probably beat a high level kyokushin fighter.
if you look more closely San Shou is Kickboxing with throws and sweeps which should be taught to all stand up fighting i wana learn san shou as well as Karate
@mitchx69 basicaly san shou is the skeleton base of traditional kung fu...like kung fu without complex things, as pressure points and more basicaly killing moves
It is not the style that counts, it is the person that utilizes that style. In this case, it seems that the Chinese guy has more experience in fighting than the Russian guy. Good fight though.
its the training also thats the problem.With kyokushinkai they have no head punches in sparring nor wrestling so obviously theyll have poor hands and clinch which is seen here.
Interesting because I know a few people that studied Kyokushinkai and their hand techniques are useful. But it is also the person that teaches them too. I am not familiarized with the style of San Shou. I just learned about it by seeing Cung Le. lol.
Long time since your post lol , but anyway just thought i would mention for you to look up Partick barry also, who is now in the UFC actually, he also is a San Shou fighter, San Shouo is the kickboxing sport from Kung Fu. Can probably find some if his fights and others by looking up our school the Liu Institute , here on youtube, VERY vew people know that San Shou is Kung Fu, and even less know what real Kung Fu is, and San Shou is a better example of its fighting sport.
You are right about that. I only knew about San Shou when I saw Cung Le fight. It is true that San Shou is Kung Fu. In fact, I believe that all Chinese fighting styles are considered Kung Fu and Japanese fighting styles are Karate. Am I right? To me I figure whatever style works for a person then go for it. Thanks though. Lol.
Well, Kung Fu consists of all the fighting aspects, wether wrestling, stand up or ground. and Japanese have many different kinds of martial arts which are more specialized on a spificic method of attack, like Judo is throws and and Karate is more kick based, and Akido about evasion and countering and even the Ninjutsu which is very indirect and subtle/surprise based. Kung Fu is ANYTHING that you are good at, and Gung Fu is fighting ability so to speak - they have alot more words for things lol.
I either was..., its More specialized for throws, and more specialized for kicks, i mean just cause a boxer is a boxer he still has the ability to Kick, They are just more focused on certian aspects of the fight thats all i said. :P
True to that. That is why I say that martial arts has the same intentions. Anyone can kick, punch, block, etc. but can they maintain what they learned from all this. Lol.
Yep, All Martial Art is martial art, also kinda why MMA isnt a martial art, its just "fighting" because it has no specialization(i need a freaking dictonary gah!)
Why o why, do Western types have to put the great Eastern styles into disgrace? San Shou & Karate are both awesome, just like kickboxing.
But i'm getting so sick of the fact that people think, that Kung Fu (wrong name but w/e) is only those flashy moves...
I hope someday (kick)boxers will understand the beauty of the CMA/JMA/FMA's aswell. Because in the end, it's the same..where as the west has a sport perspective and the East more philosophic/cultural component. Ah well
We do understand them fool. We study them like crazy over here. The only thing we do differently is add a bit of western wrestling to them or use the punch combos from western boxing. Other than that the art is very much alive. Were allowed to develop and grow the system you have created to make it better or make our selves better because the founders encourage it. How does one get better? By making your self better.
@Reido2828 Why do you have the need to insult? As far as your comment concerns I can only think that you're not even close to study the philosophy, with an attitude like that. I'm Western myself and practise both Western styles & Eastern. I recon that the western is a better workout, but I'm way more into my Eastern-style as for the other things that come with it (respect, dignity etc.). We, westerns, will never get as close to easterns as we want... But that's just my opinion. :)
I don't know how you got an insult out of that. I was complimenting both styles and sides. West side is also about self respect but ours is run like a business so will people stay around for many years to gain harder belts no. They learn the technique most effective and practice that. The details are virtually left out. Respect as a whole though can come from martial arts even if it is not taken into the old philosophy of it.
@Thopen go look up Muay Thai, yeah truly philosophical. It's the best fucking striking art out there and I love it, just straight to the point damaging or knocking the fuck out of your opponent.
@TheTramsen You're wrong in that. And it's people like you, ruining the Martial Arts and making it into a sport. Which by my perspective is a shame. Muay Thay was one of the most traditional inspired Martial Art, but since it has been "picked up" and promoted as the best add-on for MMA-fighters, the traditional part is being overshadowed. I don't mind thinking about it as a sport...but MT is not about "knocking the fuck out of your opponent". If you wanna do that, go to a soccer-derby.
AGreed X3! sume one knows about Shuai Jiao!!! good job A + in my book. i just learned about that the other day from a fellow youtuber. wanna learn the history of Sanshou in relation to Shuai Jiao? i saved the whole story he wrote me on word lol
Very bad preformance from the kyokushin guys.Sanda fighters are tough,but there is another question-how much is sanda gong fu?it looks like is 80% just kicboxing.
@chinesedragon93 "Sanda was there way before kickboxing was founded"? Im sorry but sanda is prolly the latest kickboxing ever created.
Sanda's been developed in teh 20th centuary. The first first kickboxing is originated in South-east Asia such as Muay Thai (Muay Boran). Because Muay Thai fighter fought in Japan, this's how Japanese kickboxing was developed.
How much of kickboxing is kung fu? You're right though in regards to a lack of general traditional techniques like eye gouging, ear gouging, attacking the temples, the throat, the groin, and pressure points. I do believe that those techniques are illegal since they inflict severe damage so we'll just have to stick with kicks and punches.
but tonight when your life and your family's life is on the line, you better now how to handle your OWN!
in a sport there are rules so people dont get hurt too bad. all arts are good, but its all up to who trained harder! its never the better art, its the better man!
Yeah, some Karate sucks, but Lyoto is awesome! Also, watch thoughs videos of the Karate tournaments from the 1980s, full contact no gloves... They put full grown men to their knees with a single punch, its like Kyokushin, but with punches to the face... Its like not even fun to watch cause you just like... Is gonna be able to walk again... LOL But if you learn BS karate thats all about points and money... Good luck lol
B) They are permitted FACE contact with the gloves on
This increases the likelihood of a knock out punch. If this was a traditional rules fight, I very much doubt that the punches would have had the same effect.
Before any n00bs start going on about "gloves don't have that effect" STFU and go read about it.
Perhaps somone could nominate a sanda fighter who could survive against the likes of Sam Greco, Andy Hug, Francisco Filho, Glaube Feitosa, Andrews Nakahara, Ewerton Teixeira, Nicholas Pettas or any number of Kyokushin guys who have proven the effectiveness of this art? Please tell me which sanda guys could match these Kyokushin exponents.....
Cung Le? you mean the same Cung Le who only fights guys no one has heard of, hand picked losers most of whom are unfamiliar with sanda? That Cung Le? Thanks, I appreciate your sense of humour! Maybe Cung Le could fight Dennis Alexio! That would be amazing -_-
you know why karate and jujitsu are practiced by army and police force of 90% nations all over the world? because they are practical and realistic. yeah try to bring some 560 degree spin kick and drunken shit into real fighting and see the result
no one do a 560 degree spin kick or drunken boxing in a real fight, you are just a moron who watched too much films, a roundhouse kick still very effective if done right, pls dont act like an expert when u are not.
kyokushin rules will mean no grappling or throwing, just kicking and punching, and even then the chinese here are superior kicker and punchers, so you are wrong.
bias'd ftw? >_> You're clearly biased dude. Everybody has to adapt when they transition to a different game. Kyokushin guys are used to their rules and will dominate. Sanshou guys are used to their rules as well. When you cross the line to a different game, it really does change alot of things. Just cause you think they kick better and punch (which kyokushin rules don't allow punches), it doesn't mean it'll transition well to the kyokushin game. They will have to adapt and cahnge their style.
ok karate as a sport allows punching, again you dont know anything, that's the prove, if you talk about taekwondo that's the only sport that allows only kicking, that's all, and you dont even know that. You confuse point contact taekwondo with kata karate maybe? this is full contact and full contact means, everything you know about karate applies in this fight, too bad these guys karate is not strong enough!
... I said kyokushin karate you fking idiot. Not shotokan point sparring. It doesn't allow punches to the head. That's what i meant. I also hope you realize in k-1, the famous people usually have k-1 under their aresenals and NOT SANSHOU. This is also full contact under SANSHOU RULES. NOT KYOKUSHIN RULES. No matter who you are, you'll find it hard to adjust going from sport to sport. It's just something you have to get used to under those rules. There is a difference between kyokushin and sanda.
lol insecure boy name calling, it's ok, china do not support professional fighters, and there is no endorsement for pro fighter's there, that is why china does not have any Profesional fighters, K1 mma ufc any of those competitions have no chinese fighters for that reason, including boxing, pls dont use stupid competition like K1 to make ur point, it's proven in these fights, that these kyokushin guys cant kick or punch, they are weak so there, you want insult i will give u hard facts, idiot.
In what fights? In sanda fights under sanshou rules that they can't kick or punch? What do you even mean by not being able to kick and punch? Each game gives different styles advantages and disadvantages. Kyokushin is bad ass no matter how you see it. I don't care what you say. They aren't weak at all. Why don't you try to take on a kyokushin fighter under their rules? They'll whip your ass. Just like how kyokushin fighters get their asses kicked under sanda rules. It's the rules you fktard.
Why the fuck do you even fucking hate kyokushin so fking much? GSP did kyokushin as his first martial arts. Kyokushin is better than you think you fking idiot. I'm even fking chinese and i'll admit that sanda is just muay thai with some throws. It's lame. And no, i don't do kyokushin karate but if i did, it'll be my first striking art. The people that claimed sanda was just an updated version of traditional kung fu are lying. Any idiot can see that it's basically muay thai striking with takedown
So does it mean we shouldn't train anything but sanda? We already have wrestling/sambo/judo for standup grappling. Also, we have a whole array of things for pure striking. (kyokushin, boxing, muay thai, sanda, pradal serey, savate, etc.. )
WHY IS EVERYBODY TALKING NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT KYOKUSHIN!? Saying style vs style is useless. In fact, i just realized that now. You can make anything work. Perhaps you like the aspect of kyokushin where there's no gloves needed. You like that part. Do it then
yea the sport of kyokushin isnt realistic but the style is very reaslistic as well as the training. also you now have modern kyoksuhin wich is starting to allow face punching
modern? i think the old kyokushin allowed punches to the head, the modern kyokushin practiconer you can see on this movie, they are just bunch of dumbass punching their stomach every time again and again and again without protection of their head.
man... please... KUDO is not Kyokushin, is just one of the best split offs from Kyokushin founded bu T.Azuma ;] but, this have nothing to do with Kyokushin anymore. I know that because i'm 8 th kyu in KUDO :P ... check out Shidokan to ;]
i dunno about that, lol kyokushin and the kickboxing styles look very similar, except kyokushin punch to the body and wears gi. do you think KUDO or shidokan counts as karate? i just hate how ppl say a syles is muay thai or kickboxing just becaue its full contact.
i met with opinion that Kudo and Shidokan are called "ex-karate" or "mma karate". Forgive me but I think that the strong art of Kyokushin was washed away by business and money, thank got this started Shidokan and Kudo styles. Forgive my english but in my country it's very late and I'm very tired :P
i dont think theyre ex karate at all, its still technically karate techniques as well as muay thai that they both use. seeing how most styles have alot of similarity. but yea i know wat you mean its all about the money these days and you especiallly got alot of crappy dojos opening for styles like karate or TKD. it really sucks, but if you ask me, when it comes to champion fighters, i think they can make any style look good, its not the style, its the fighter.
yeah in the old kyokushin punches to the head were allowed but when u have to fight with order arts opponments like kung fu or karate you cant punch to the head, in modern kyo u dont learn this punches and to defend the head because you dont need it in the fights
i want to say that I have expressed badly, what i want to say is that in a competition you do not need to know it and is because this is not learned sorry for my english
no, i'm not. kyokushin could be a great style but ...ehhh... no face defense, no face punches, no clinch and no grabs even in a stand up fight makes it very impecunious, sorry.
lol no face punches? xD better be quiet xD if a kyokyshin karateka give you a punch i can say that ur going to stay in a hospital a lot of time for sure, in kyo u learn to stand and wait for the adversary wrong movement to kill it... not more
man... every kyokushin karatekas who wanted punch me to face alweys lower they guard and... every one knows the result. this style is only a politics nothing more. started to be lot alike styles which oyamas hated, dance, only dance ;]
and... please see this movie: watch?v=PWIrhIXfcIs every kyokushin karateka calls this guy "god of karate" but, why those guys are not landing in hospital?
China's best figther Liu Hailong fought against Samedov Rasim Azadovich, who won second place in the 1st World Kyokushin Karate Tournament held in Moscow, 2005. Right?
San Da doesn't get the respect it deserves in the US, mostly due to allegations of Chinese fight fixing and the ill-fated attempts at having Cung Le headline a K-1 Sanshou division against cans that didn't know a double leg from a chicken leg. Hopefully the integration of Sanda into MMA training will change that.
as far as I know, the ancient rule is quite simple: all players would fight on a square stage, anyone who fall off from the stage or die is loser. the stage is much bigger than modern ring. I believe this rule is for light player cud have chance to win weight player. ps: traditional Chinese MA encourage all range of skills, not only muscle. Masters believe it is nature that stronger man will win,but after well trained,more skilled man should win. it's a long story, anyway.
ok so is chinese kickboxing and Wushu and wushu kickboxing the same as Xanda/sanda/sanshou? r is wuhu, wuhu kickboxing, and chinesekicboxing different?
Wushu(武术) means the art of fight. I guess the English name, MA, was directly came from Wushu. It contains all styles of fighting. Sanda(modernlised Sanshou) absorbed some KB rules. My guess is the old Sanda rule was too cruel(allow killing tech, some now can be only used in special force fighting).
I wud say, the modern Sanda is too westenlised or too KB way. In KB, MMA, UFC's rule, light but skillful player can hradly win a muscle man. This is totally against the spirit of MA. Even without any training, strong man wud win. So, KB, boxing, UFC rule is not encourage MA. the the ancient master say: one strength wins ten moves; one skillful technic wins 1000 times strength.
well u lok at the nature of the sport vs a street fight in the sport u basically need power cuz tahts ur gona do is try to knock ppl out but in a street fight if ur fighting a really big guy dun matter how big he is a shot to the groin wil bring ne1 down
Wrong. San Da means "free fighting" and San Shou means "free boxing". In practice they are the same sport. San Shou is used to describe the sparring contests at Wushu competitions, while SanDa refers to the modern professional sport (mostly in China)
Actually, the art one practices has a lot to do with it. If your training focuses on fighting under certain rules alone than you become acustomed to said style, hence kyokushin, which emphasizes body blows with the occasional kick to the head, rears fighters to develop certain habits that are counter-productive for fighting under different full contact rule sets such as San Shou's. Cross training, however, usually takes care of this. That's why it's always good to mix things up in training.
Kyokushin works to defend the body alot. I wouldn't body shot a Kyokushinka. But man... they need to start introducing head punching/elbowing, I'm about to do some Enshin Karate... which seems like the Kyokushin equivalent to Sanshou. Id hate to have to train boxing elsewhere to guard/attack the head.
IMO San Shou is the best standup art. It takes the best upper body positioning of boxing, and blends it with the muay thai style of stance and kicking. The Clinch work is different but all the basics are there, underhook, pummel, elbow for defense, etc. Of course it all depends on the fighter, conditioning, etcetera but it is a very good art. Kyokushin is probably the most effective oldschool karate form but it just isn't good enough by today's standards for competition.
the kyokushin fighters are good most of the fighters of sanshou are more complete and effective with the takedows, I am not saying that the fighters of kung-fu (sanshou) are better, but by experience, already fought and won some of kyokushin fighters.
no its the style, different styles employ different tactics, but i believe it has more to do with the culture from which the style evolves. And im not just talking about someone who learns to kick and punch, i mean someone who really takes in the style and is culture, makes a pretty substantial difference
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Complete bullshit right there. Some one protecting Putin would be able to take out a small army with only one fist. This fight was complete bullshit. Russian body guards are trained for EPIC killing moves.
Why everybody here is talking about being the better and so on???
This is really stupid, I think all that lazy people should go to a Dojo or another place, “pour” a lot and train hard… no talk but go to work and be always humble! Osu!!
shinkioku 5 months ago
Traditional okinawa karate is much better than this Kyokushin style ( Kickboxing with no punch to the face -_- )
killtheyank 5 months ago
@killtheyank you dont have idea
yuliano15 4 months ago
nikyokushin ni san shou se ve una pelea de kickboxing. me da a pensar que la mejor forma para hacer un combate es el kickboxing ya que todas las artes marciales de contacto a la hora de llevarla a la realidad si quiere salir vencedor es moverse como un kickboxer. ahi claramente no se ve un karateca ni tampoco una persona que realiza kung fu
frannckopz 6 months ago
This kind of fighting is not very fair, since the Kyokushin guy is fighting out of his elements. A more fair competition would be one round in Sanshou Rules, and then another in Kyokushin, and so on, for an even number of rounds. And if it is clear that nobody dominates, then declare a draw. That way, the winner will have to be good in both styles of fighting.
DifangDuana 9 months ago
Im a brown belt in Kyokushin, but next month Im fighting in the Battle of Columbus doing San Shou. A bit nervous because its a little out of my element but Im hoping it all goes well.
CrazyGrapefruit 9 months ago
chinese comunist propaganda
ciganodeouro 9 months ago
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KittyaaRobbiaa565 10 months ago
I wanna see the chinese boy without gloves...under kyokushin rules!
ciganodeouro 10 months ago
@ciganodeouro
without gloves? you kidding me? The chinese would have HUGE advantage without gloves. I know this because i grew up in china and learned san da. while i am learning san da, the group next to us was practicing IRON finger. you dont wanna get poked by them. it would be pretty scary.
even if they dont allow finger poking, the chinese still got the tiger claw or the eagle claw.
nah, dont mess with no gloves on.
chinafobbyboi 10 months ago
@chinafobbyboi Unfortunately, with those things you're quickly moving away from fighting sports and into the realm of mythical nonsense, much like utter crap like 'chi makes me invulnerable' while that's just the concentration any decent fighter has.
And mythical nonsense works great at willing students in demonstrations, and keeps mediocre teachers in employ, but please don't bother don't defend yourself with it, let alone bring such things against a trained fighter.
Blahb27 10 months ago
@Blahb27
I think you are making mistakes between iron finger and Qi . There are some people demo dim mak with qi to knock people out by using hypnosis and suggestions, and it is pretty much utter crap does not work in real world.
on the other hand, Iron finger is practiced through years of finger push ups, poking the sands, and poking rocks. You can think it as having a niddle on the hand of the fighter.
unfortunately, sport is entertainment, such weapon would not be cool in K1 or MMA.
chinafobbyboi 10 months ago
@chinafobbyboi About that Iron finger stuff, there is a record of ancient olimpic games of one pankration fighter who won the games perhaps even several times I can't remember. His speciality was stabing opnents with his hand, I asume with fingers. So if someone would actually go through such training he could make grappling in mma useless but that would be not in spirit of sport as you said.
Theseus1000 9 months ago
@Blahb27 You are wrong about Iron finger technigues they are much like Muay Thai shin conditioning, there are records form anciant Olimpics of one fighter wining pankration "tournament" by stabing his oponents, if someone who has hardend his fingers for years would scratch you he could rip your skin and mucles off of course there are nutters who don't bother to do conditioning several years and do it anyway and that has same evect on oponents as tickling or they just break their fingers :)
Theseus1000 9 months ago
@Theseus1000 Except that it isn't possible to harden a bone to such a point, and therefore it is all just myth and utter nonsense. Skin is tough by nature, and can take several kilo's of pulling force. The ligaments holding fingers in place however are much more vulnerable. If you tried to 'rip skin off', all you'd succeed in doing is dislocating fingers.
Why do you think such stories are all from ancient history? Because it's nonsense, and nowadays people want to see such things tested first.
Blahb27 9 months ago
@Blahb27 Ancient Greeks would't lie about olimpic games since they were sacred, besides there examples today. Mas Oyama was killing buls by smashing their sculs with hands, There is also master Tak Kobuta who in front of an budo internacional junalist hamered his fingers there are also videos here on yt. of him hiting Iron of course no one can kill a person in front of camera for fans to have proof. If animals can get killed so can humans.
Theseus1000 9 months ago
@Blahb27 i study kung fu dude. chinafobbyboi is dead on. eagle fist, tiger fist, and leopard fist are just a few that you don't want to get caught with. you get slashed up by one of those dudes a few times and you might have a different opinion. then there's something called qin na which means 'seize and control' (rough translation). check out a vid on that. it's some wicked stuff.
defiantwon33 9 months ago
@Blahb27 and if you want further proof, check out the video of a shaolin monk doing a two finger (one on each hand) handstand. proof enough?
defiantwon33 9 months ago
@defiantwon33 Four fingers might support a light person, that's just simple biology. Anything biologically or physically impossible remains nonsense.
And many of those demonstrations rely on trickery. I'd go watch a magic show if I wanted to see that.
Blahb27 9 months ago
@Blahb27 so did you watch the video or did you avoid it? ignorance is bliss, right?
defiantwon33 9 months ago
@chinafobbyboi This is a chinese (no original) comunist-nationalist constuction. The real Knock Down started with Muay Thai long time ago and then, modern Karate Knock Down with Mas Oyama. Sanshou or sanda isa new martial and this a a real martial art no gloved as sanshou witch is a sport combat!
ciganodeouro 9 months ago
@ciganodeouro
yeah, sanda is pretty new. sanda is pretty much some boxing + muay thai + some taekowndo. most of the older combat skills were lost in the culture revolution. All the traditonal combat skills are now called wushu = dancing.
chinafobbyboi 9 months ago
I think this is one of the best representations of knockdown karate verses san shou/san da
Dobbersky 10 months ago
Both Kyokushin and Shan Shou are awesome!
1NX9 11 months ago
san shou is freaking agile thats why i love it ! they all move away so fast
Wingchunskunk 11 months ago
Вот тебе и Кикушин
adoabram 1 year ago
russians got a lot of headshot,if you cant defend your head,you're dead
Lockef0rd 1 year ago
thats a damn good counter punch that chinese dude got
Meteorman312 1 year ago
what legs has the Chinese fighter...
vaggoner 1 year ago
The Chinese guy is really good in the clinch. nice to watch
simsonyee 1 year ago
American Kickboxing largely derives from karate (karate originated in Okinawa, Japan) guys wanting to compete full contact... So comparing karate to kickboxing is a bit weird. French Savate is different, so is Muay Thai. San Shou is supposed to be a form of Kung Fu, btw. So not all Kung Fu is just flash and no effect. There are a lot of practical MA styles in China the rest of the world is unaware of. Such as Shuai Jiao, for instance. Personally, I'd like to learn more.
Agtren 1 year ago
@Agtren Shuai Jiao has been emplemented into San shou many years ago. The only part of this combat art that needs improvement is the hands. Cung Le worked with an American boxing coach to improve his effectiveness in San Shou and MMA.
clearcombat 1 year ago
@clearcombat Cung Le got his throws from his freestyle wrestling days in college. He did not learn them from a Shuai Jiao instructor, though I suppose it's possible he practiced with some SJ guys. Since Cung lives in the States, I think it would be easier for him to get wrestlers and judoists for sparring partners. SJ is comparatively rare.
Agtren 1 year ago
@Agtren True and false. Cung's folkstyle (not freestyle) wrestling is his foundation, but he was on the national team 3 times, and trained SS/SJ based throwing with his coaches there.
mthai66 1 year ago
I just want to see that Sanshou Chinese boy (or others) fighting without gloves under Kyokushin rules…this is just Chinese advertising!
ciganodeouro 1 year ago
@ciganodeouro u got to be joking they also practice without gloves..what's so especial about kyokushin man?
tranglomango 1 year ago
@ciganodeouro besides kyokushin rules r based in body punches and head kicks, san shou users trains hitting to the head with punchs and kicks, no mentioning knees and elbows...chinese sanshou is even usd in the military
tranglomango 1 year ago
@ciganodeouro Man you really don't knows shit about fighting. kyokushin rules are unrealistic and SUCKS, it does'nt allow the fighter to punch the opponents' head. punching the head is the most easy way to knock a person out. In real life combat without rules that Kyokushin guy will get owned ever harder.
killtheyank 5 months ago
The karate guy could've won, but I think the Sanshou fighter fought more intelligently, probably because he was much more experienced. The Kyokushin guy would constantly have the initiation to strike, but the Sanshou fighter would wait for an opening and strike efficiently.
ComputerJA 1 year ago
every style is just similar but different in focus
xxxxxNUMBER1xxxxx 1 year ago
there was a tournament n taiwan some years back(70's) and it pitted 10 lei tai fighters against 10 muay thai fighters. The thai fighters lost miserably because they could not compete with the grappling ability of the chinese. Reminds me of the duel of kodokan vs. fusen ryu. Muay thai fighters don't train throws unless they're learning for self-protection or are cross-training for mma.
089hlj 1 year ago
i think out of all standing martial arts sanshou is the best for mma and its too bad it is not recognized as well as muay thai or kickboxing
blues2444 1 year ago
wow, kyokushin dude got owned
yardkyle 1 year ago
the kick boxing, kyokushin, san shou, savate, muay tai, are vey similiar, when 2 figthers from diferent disipline fight, you cant meassure the discipline, yo only can meassure the figther`s skylls.
patron6d5 1 year ago 8
@patron6d5
The skill is whats counting the most, thats for sure but in my opinion you can definitely see difrences between muay tai or san shou in comparison to kickboxing.
Savate and kick boxing are practicaly the same in my opinion..
MegaSackman 1 year ago
this video made me leave kyokushin, no matter how good at kyokushin you get, you are severely limiting your fighting ability by not training in grappling or head kicks, therefore even an average mma fighter could probably beat a high level kyokushin fighter.
israelifaggot 1 year ago
the karate guy definitely needs to take some boxing lessons. cuz he's getting caught with a right overhand all the time!
TTok33 1 year ago
Ya Lyooblyoo Kung Fu!!
dickies1922x 1 year ago
if you look more closely San Shou is Kickboxing with throws and sweeps which should be taught to all stand up fighting i wana learn san shou as well as Karate
mitchx69 2 years ago 17
You should learn San Shou. If that is your passion.
shinbooks 2 years ago
@mitchx69 basicaly san shou is the skeleton base of traditional kung fu...like kung fu without complex things, as pressure points and more basicaly killing moves
tranglomango 1 year ago
@mitchx69 i'd rather say that kickboxing is more a imperfect san shou
tranglomango 1 year ago
@mitchx69
No , Sanshou is Sanshou and Kickboxing is Kickboxing ,
The same thing :
Some People say Muay Thai is Kickboxing with Knees and Elbows , but that's wrong , every Martial art has it's own History and it's own Style...
XxStyloMiloxX 1 year ago
@mitchx69 I agree. I've done Thai boxing for 6 years and I'm ready to learn other styles of kickboxing like Savate and San Shou.
dragonfist25 6 months ago
It is not the style that counts, it is the person that utilizes that style. In this case, it seems that the Chinese guy has more experience in fighting than the Russian guy. Good fight though.
shinbooks 2 years ago 5
its the training also thats the problem.With kyokushinkai they have no head punches in sparring nor wrestling so obviously theyll have poor hands and clinch which is seen here.
billysue2 2 years ago 3
Interesting because I know a few people that studied Kyokushinkai and their hand techniques are useful. But it is also the person that teaches them too. I am not familiarized with the style of San Shou. I just learned about it by seeing Cung Le. lol.
shinbooks 2 years ago
Long time since your post lol , but anyway just thought i would mention for you to look up Partick barry also, who is now in the UFC actually, he also is a San Shou fighter, San Shouo is the kickboxing sport from Kung Fu. Can probably find some if his fights and others by looking up our school the Liu Institute , here on youtube, VERY vew people know that San Shou is Kung Fu, and even less know what real Kung Fu is, and San Shou is a better example of its fighting sport.
EpioneEQ 2 years ago
You are right about that. I only knew about San Shou when I saw Cung Le fight. It is true that San Shou is Kung Fu. In fact, I believe that all Chinese fighting styles are considered Kung Fu and Japanese fighting styles are Karate. Am I right? To me I figure whatever style works for a person then go for it. Thanks though. Lol.
shinbooks 2 years ago
Well, Kung Fu consists of all the fighting aspects, wether wrestling, stand up or ground. and Japanese have many different kinds of martial arts which are more specialized on a spificic method of attack, like Judo is throws and and Karate is more kick based, and Akido about evasion and countering and even the Ninjutsu which is very indirect and subtle/surprise based. Kung Fu is ANYTHING that you are good at, and Gung Fu is fighting ability so to speak - they have alot more words for things lol.
EpioneEQ 2 years ago
judo is more than throws its grappling/wresling and karate is more than just kicks
mitchx69 2 years ago
I either was..., its More specialized for throws, and more specialized for kicks, i mean just cause a boxer is a boxer he still has the ability to Kick, They are just more focused on certian aspects of the fight thats all i said. :P
EpioneEQ 2 years ago
Err yeah i meant to start that that "I never said either was" lol
EpioneEQ 2 years ago
True to that. That is why I say that martial arts has the same intentions. Anyone can kick, punch, block, etc. but can they maintain what they learned from all this. Lol.
shinbooks 2 years ago
Yep, All Martial Art is martial art, also kinda why MMA isnt a martial art, its just "fighting" because it has no specialization(i need a freaking dictonary gah!)
EpioneEQ 2 years ago
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@EpioneEQ brock lesnar would own any san shou fighter, its a scientific fact!
bxth5 1 year ago
in the vid it said that the russian guy was putin's bodyguard.... guess thats still not enough experience.
theaviribidityofwtr 2 years ago
I totally agree.
shinbooks 2 years ago
Xue Fengqian is great and all but I would like to see how he does against BJJ without sanshou rules., perhaps in a no-holds-bar match.
rocketmanmjm 2 years ago
Why o why, do Western types have to put the great Eastern styles into disgrace? San Shou & Karate are both awesome, just like kickboxing.
But i'm getting so sick of the fact that people think, that Kung Fu (wrong name but w/e) is only those flashy moves...
I hope someday (kick)boxers will understand the beauty of the CMA/JMA/FMA's aswell. Because in the end, it's the same..where as the west has a sport perspective and the East more philosophic/cultural component. Ah well
Thopen 2 years ago 47
that's an educated comments!
dafuki 2 years ago
@Thopen they sure are..kick my butt too when I do muay thai and san shou contests..little asian guys with a lot of energy and clever moves..
mallcorekidsdie 1 year ago
@Thopen Dont matter, Machida and GSP are tearing shit up in UFC with heavy traditional karate influence.
mofogie 8 months ago
@Thopen Eastern philosphy is shit.
ipwnorcs 6 months ago
@Thopen
We do understand them fool. We study them like crazy over here. The only thing we do differently is add a bit of western wrestling to them or use the punch combos from western boxing. Other than that the art is very much alive. Were allowed to develop and grow the system you have created to make it better or make our selves better because the founders encourage it. How does one get better? By making your self better.
Reido2828 6 months ago
@Reido2828 Why do you have the need to insult? As far as your comment concerns I can only think that you're not even close to study the philosophy, with an attitude like that. I'm Western myself and practise both Western styles & Eastern. I recon that the western is a better workout, but I'm way more into my Eastern-style as for the other things that come with it (respect, dignity etc.). We, westerns, will never get as close to easterns as we want... But that's just my opinion. :)
Thopen 3 months ago
@Thopen
I don't know how you got an insult out of that. I was complimenting both styles and sides. West side is also about self respect but ours is run like a business so will people stay around for many years to gain harder belts no. They learn the technique most effective and practice that. The details are virtually left out. Respect as a whole though can come from martial arts even if it is not taken into the old philosophy of it.
Reido2828 3 months ago
@Thopen go look up Muay Thai, yeah truly philosophical. It's the best fucking striking art out there and I love it, just straight to the point damaging or knocking the fuck out of your opponent.
TheTramsen 4 months ago
@TheTramsen But their wrestling game aint as strong as sanshou.
OVERCAPITALIZE 4 months ago
@TheTramsen You're wrong in that. And it's people like you, ruining the Martial Arts and making it into a sport. Which by my perspective is a shame. Muay Thay was one of the most traditional inspired Martial Art, but since it has been "picked up" and promoted as the best add-on for MMA-fighters, the traditional part is being overshadowed. I don't mind thinking about it as a sport...but MT is not about "knocking the fuck out of your opponent". If you wanna do that, go to a soccer-derby.
Thopen 3 months ago
That Russian fighter needs to learn how to box if he plans on doing these kinds of fights regularly.
RexDartEskimoSpy 2 years ago
Agree.
This fight is Victory of China.
intershull 2 years ago
looks like ugly muay thai fight
adebisi94 2 years ago
The Shuai Jiao aspect of Sanshou throws foreign fighting arts off a whole lot. Damn suplex!
blueprophet9 2 years ago
AGreed X3! sume one knows about Shuai Jiao!!! good job A + in my book. i just learned about that the other day from a fellow youtuber. wanna learn the history of Sanshou in relation to Shuai Jiao? i saved the whole story he wrote me on word lol
dss103 2 years ago
My buddy's boss is an old-timer who practices shuai jiao(he's from Tianjin). Yeah, that'd be cool...thanx.
blueprophet9 2 years ago
Very bad preformance from the kyokushin guys.Sanda fighters are tough,but there is another question-how much is sanda gong fu?it looks like is 80% just kicboxing.
TiberiusMH 2 years ago
80% kickboxing?
sanda was there way before kickboxing was founded.
chinesedragon93 2 years ago
@chinesedragon93 "Sanda was there way before kickboxing was founded"? Im sorry but sanda is prolly the latest kickboxing ever created.
Sanda's been developed in teh 20th centuary. The first first kickboxing is originated in South-east Asia such as Muay Thai (Muay Boran). Because Muay Thai fighter fought in Japan, this's how Japanese kickboxing was developed.
SinclairCeltics1990 1 year ago
@SinclairCeltics1990 There is no "1st" kickboxing ever found. People found martial arts in thier own land by thier own people most of the time.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
How much of kickboxing is kung fu? You're right though in regards to a lack of general traditional techniques like eye gouging, ear gouging, attacking the temples, the throat, the groin, and pressure points. I do believe that those techniques are illegal since they inflict severe damage so we'll just have to stick with kicks and punches.
gotz2bk 2 years ago
i think sanshou whould one day be as big as mma, since i find it to be the most entertaining combatative sport out there
vegetaowen 2 years ago
China Rules!!! :P
robertvoice 2 years ago
fella, stop comparing real fighting to a sport!
ALL SPORTS HAVE RULES!
but tonight when your life and your family's life is on the line, you better now how to handle your OWN!
in a sport there are rules so people dont get hurt too bad. all arts are good, but its all up to who trained harder! its never the better art, its the better man!
waynecarrington 2 years ago 3
its also the better teacher. If a teacher only taught you forms and point sparring then you are going to suck
ahole831 2 years ago
Yeah, some Karate sucks, but Lyoto is awesome! Also, watch thoughs videos of the Karate tournaments from the 1980s, full contact no gloves... They put full grown men to their knees with a single punch, its like Kyokushin, but with punches to the face... Its like not even fun to watch cause you just like... Is gonna be able to walk again... LOL But if you learn BS karate thats all about points and money... Good luck lol
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
I train a martial art, but i must say when my families in danger... I live in US and I would use the gun thats under my bed =)
GuamKomudo 2 years ago 4
yep its always good to have a gun.
ahole831 2 years ago
fuck guns its all about throwing knives :P
s10fisto01 2 years ago
you can have your knife and i will just have a gun
ahole831 2 years ago
agree.. but if u are in the lift without a gun.. what will you use? your tampon?
evilren008 2 years ago
Wrong!
A) They have gloves
B) They are permitted FACE contact with the gloves on
This increases the likelihood of a knock out punch. If this was a traditional rules fight, I very much doubt that the punches would have had the same effect.
Before any n00bs start going on about "gloves don't have that effect" STFU and go read about it.
dyikini 2 years ago
Perhaps somone could nominate a sanda fighter who could survive against the likes of Sam Greco, Andy Hug, Francisco Filho, Glaube Feitosa, Andrews Nakahara, Ewerton Teixeira, Nicholas Pettas or any number of Kyokushin guys who have proven the effectiveness of this art? Please tell me which sanda guys could match these Kyokushin exponents.....
aldridge1 2 years ago
Cung Le
theillone2002 2 years ago
Cung Le? you mean the same Cung Le who only fights guys no one has heard of, hand picked losers most of whom are unfamiliar with sanda? That Cung Le? Thanks, I appreciate your sense of humour! Maybe Cung Le could fight Dennis Alexio! That would be amazing -_-
aldridge1 2 years ago
maybe he should fight a mma veteran possibly even frank shamrock. that would be great if he kicked franks ass on national tv
ahole831 2 years ago
*two thumbs up* for you good sir.
Ronnock 1 year ago
no one:P
killingracer 2 years ago
you know why karate and jujitsu are practiced by army and police force of 90% nations all over the world? because they are practical and realistic. yeah try to bring some 560 degree spin kick and drunken shit into real fighting and see the result
neo2321389 2 years ago
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cnlckht 2 years ago
no one do a 560 degree spin kick or drunken boxing in a real fight, you are just a moron who watched too much films, a roundhouse kick still very effective if done right, pls dont act like an expert when u are not.
cnlckht 2 years ago
read my comment carefully to understand it.
neo2321389 2 years ago
Did anybody realize this is sanda rules? I'm sure that sanshou fighters would get their butts kicked if it were kyokushin rules.
jebus733 2 years ago
kyokushin rules will mean no grappling or throwing, just kicking and punching, and even then the chinese here are superior kicker and punchers, so you are wrong.
cnlckht 2 years ago
bias'd ftw? >_> You're clearly biased dude. Everybody has to adapt when they transition to a different game. Kyokushin guys are used to their rules and will dominate. Sanshou guys are used to their rules as well. When you cross the line to a different game, it really does change alot of things. Just cause you think they kick better and punch (which kyokushin rules don't allow punches), it doesn't mean it'll transition well to the kyokushin game. They will have to adapt and cahnge their style.
jebus733 2 years ago
ok karate as a sport allows punching, again you dont know anything, that's the prove, if you talk about taekwondo that's the only sport that allows only kicking, that's all, and you dont even know that. You confuse point contact taekwondo with kata karate maybe? this is full contact and full contact means, everything you know about karate applies in this fight, too bad these guys karate is not strong enough!
cnlckht 2 years ago
... I said kyokushin karate you fking idiot. Not shotokan point sparring. It doesn't allow punches to the head. That's what i meant. I also hope you realize in k-1, the famous people usually have k-1 under their aresenals and NOT SANSHOU. This is also full contact under SANSHOU RULES. NOT KYOKUSHIN RULES. No matter who you are, you'll find it hard to adjust going from sport to sport. It's just something you have to get used to under those rules. There is a difference between kyokushin and sanda.
jebus733 2 years ago
lol insecure boy name calling, it's ok, china do not support professional fighters, and there is no endorsement for pro fighter's there, that is why china does not have any Profesional fighters, K1 mma ufc any of those competitions have no chinese fighters for that reason, including boxing, pls dont use stupid competition like K1 to make ur point, it's proven in these fights, that these kyokushin guys cant kick or punch, they are weak so there, you want insult i will give u hard facts, idiot.
cnlckht 2 years ago
In what fights? In sanda fights under sanshou rules that they can't kick or punch? What do you even mean by not being able to kick and punch? Each game gives different styles advantages and disadvantages. Kyokushin is bad ass no matter how you see it. I don't care what you say. They aren't weak at all. Why don't you try to take on a kyokushin fighter under their rules? They'll whip your ass. Just like how kyokushin fighters get their asses kicked under sanda rules. It's the rules you fktard.
jebus733 2 years ago
Why the fuck do you even fucking hate kyokushin so fking much? GSP did kyokushin as his first martial arts. Kyokushin is better than you think you fking idiot. I'm even fking chinese and i'll admit that sanda is just muay thai with some throws. It's lame. And no, i don't do kyokushin karate but if i did, it'll be my first striking art. The people that claimed sanda was just an updated version of traditional kung fu are lying. Any idiot can see that it's basically muay thai striking with takedown
jebus733 2 years ago
yeah but kyokushin karate rules are nonrealistic ;]
Buli0n 2 years ago
so is sanda. I mean what if you fight a grappler..? It doesn't incorporate any ground game what so ever. That in my opinion is unrealistic.
jebus733 2 years ago
sanda is stand up for the grappler just train them seperatley
bassatic 2 years ago
So does it mean we shouldn't train anything but sanda? We already have wrestling/sambo/judo for standup grappling. Also, we have a whole array of things for pure striking. (kyokushin, boxing, muay thai, sanda, pradal serey, savate, etc.. )
WHY IS EVERYBODY TALKING NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT KYOKUSHIN!? Saying style vs style is useless. In fact, i just realized that now. You can make anything work. Perhaps you like the aspect of kyokushin where there's no gloves needed. You like that part. Do it then
jebus733 2 years ago 5
u dun need ground game to finish sum1 off there is an alternative its called soccer kicks
SoundwaveSuperior373 2 years ago
yea the sport of kyokushin isnt realistic but the style is very reaslistic as well as the training. also you now have modern kyoksuhin wich is starting to allow face punching
shuriken86 2 years ago
modern? i think the old kyokushin allowed punches to the head, the modern kyokushin practiconer you can see on this movie, they are just bunch of dumbass punching their stomach every time again and again and again without protection of their head.
Buli0n 2 years ago
uhm actually yea they use punch to the face now, its KUDO now though, and they do use face protection.
shuriken86 2 years ago
man... please... KUDO is not Kyokushin, is just one of the best split offs from Kyokushin founded bu T.Azuma ;] but, this have nothing to do with Kyokushin anymore. I know that because i'm 8 th kyu in KUDO :P ... check out Shidokan to ;]
Buli0n 2 years ago
i dunno about that, lol kyokushin and the kickboxing styles look very similar, except kyokushin punch to the body and wears gi. do you think KUDO or shidokan counts as karate? i just hate how ppl say a syles is muay thai or kickboxing just becaue its full contact.
shuriken86 2 years ago
i met with opinion that Kudo and Shidokan are called "ex-karate" or "mma karate". Forgive me but I think that the strong art of Kyokushin was washed away by business and money, thank got this started Shidokan and Kudo styles. Forgive my english but in my country it's very late and I'm very tired :P
Buli0n 2 years ago
i dont think theyre ex karate at all, its still technically karate techniques as well as muay thai that they both use. seeing how most styles have alot of similarity. but yea i know wat you mean its all about the money these days and you especiallly got alot of crappy dojos opening for styles like karate or TKD. it really sucks, but if you ask me, when it comes to champion fighters, i think they can make any style look good, its not the style, its the fighter.
shuriken86 2 years ago
yeah in the old kyokushin punches to the head were allowed but when u have to fight with order arts opponments like kung fu or karate you cant punch to the head, in modern kyo u dont learn this punches and to defend the head because you dont need it in the fights
tirolejano 2 years ago
wrong, you need face punches and fence defense in fight but you don'e need it in tournament... it's big fail.
Buli0n 2 years ago
i want to say that I have expressed badly, what i want to say is that in a competition you do not need to know it and is because this is not learned sorry for my english
tirolejano 2 years ago
i know what you wanted to say ;] but i'm not going to change my mind about kyokushin. it's useless in a real fight.
Buli0n 2 years ago
u sound stupid lol
theillone2002 2 years ago
no, i'm not. kyokushin could be a great style but ...ehhh... no face defense, no face punches, no clinch and no grabs even in a stand up fight makes it very impecunious, sorry.
Buli0n 2 years ago
lol no face punches? xD better be quiet xD if a kyokyshin karateka give you a punch i can say that ur going to stay in a hospital a lot of time for sure, in kyo u learn to stand and wait for the adversary wrong movement to kill it... not more
tirolejano 2 years ago
man... every kyokushin karatekas who wanted punch me to face alweys lower they guard and... every one knows the result. this style is only a politics nothing more. started to be lot alike styles which oyamas hated, dance, only dance ;]
Buli0n 2 years ago
and... please see this movie: watch?v=PWIrhIXfcIs every kyokushin karateka calls this guy "god of karate" but, why those guys are not landing in hospital?
Buli0n 2 years ago
Lol getting punch by a kyokushin in the face ... you should be near close to death.
honor438 2 years ago 4
getting take down by sanshou will lead u to death
kevint32 2 years ago
WRONG lolz getting take down by BJJ will lead us to death :)
SinclairCeltics1990 2 years ago
ok
China's best figther Liu Hailong fought against Samedov Rasim Azadovich, who won second place in the 1st World Kyokushin Karate Tournament held in Moscow, 2005. Right?
JKFDDSY2009 2 years ago
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JKFDDSY2009 2 years ago
San Da doesn't get the respect it deserves in the US, mostly due to allegations of Chinese fight fixing and the ill-fated attempts at having Cung Le headline a K-1 Sanshou division against cans that didn't know a double leg from a chicken leg. Hopefully the integration of Sanda into MMA training will change that.
Dynaman21 2 years ago
love sanda
hardpunk10101 2 years ago
Sanda is a good stuff!
rusjazzman 2 years ago
Whats the differnce between Sanshou and Sanda?
varkonyimihaly 3 years ago
same. just one is in ancient Chinese name, the other is modern Chinese name. they all refer to the same style.
historytellme 3 years ago
And wich is the ancient name? Isn't there a difference in rules? Thanks.
varkonyimihaly 3 years ago
as far as I know, the ancient rule is quite simple: all players would fight on a square stage, anyone who fall off from the stage or die is loser. the stage is much bigger than modern ring. I believe this rule is for light player cud have chance to win weight player. ps: traditional Chinese MA encourage all range of skills, not only muscle. Masters believe it is nature that stronger man will win,but after well trained,more skilled man should win. it's a long story, anyway.
historytellme 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
varkonyimihaly 3 years ago
I Think it was Wushu Sanda and now it's called San Shou San da.
XPOMOCOM 2 years ago
ok so is chinese kickboxing and Wushu and wushu kickboxing the same as Xanda/sanda/sanshou? r is wuhu, wuhu kickboxing, and chinesekicboxing different?
shuriken86 3 years ago
Wushu(武术) means the art of fight. I guess the English name, MA, was directly came from Wushu. It contains all styles of fighting. Sanda(modernlised Sanshou) absorbed some KB rules. My guess is the old Sanda rule was too cruel(allow killing tech, some now can be only used in special force fighting).
historytellme 2 years ago
I wud say, the modern Sanda is too westenlised or too KB way. In KB, MMA, UFC's rule, light but skillful player can hradly win a muscle man. This is totally against the spirit of MA. Even without any training, strong man wud win. So, KB, boxing, UFC rule is not encourage MA. the the ancient master say: one strength wins ten moves; one skillful technic wins 1000 times strength.
historytellme 2 years ago
well u lok at the nature of the sport vs a street fight in the sport u basically need power cuz tahts ur gona do is try to knock ppl out but in a street fight if ur fighting a really big guy dun matter how big he is a shot to the groin wil bring ne1 down
SoundwaveSuperior373 2 years ago
Wrong. San Da means "free fighting" and San Shou means "free boxing". In practice they are the same sport. San Shou is used to describe the sparring contests at Wushu competitions, while SanDa refers to the modern professional sport (mostly in China)
mthai66 2 years ago
wtf.... when are you people going to figure out that protection of the head isnt up to the art but up to the fighter.
shinobijesus 3 years ago
Actually, the art one practices has a lot to do with it. If your training focuses on fighting under certain rules alone than you become acustomed to said style, hence kyokushin, which emphasizes body blows with the occasional kick to the head, rears fighters to develop certain habits that are counter-productive for fighting under different full contact rule sets such as San Shou's. Cross training, however, usually takes care of this. That's why it's always good to mix things up in training.
brokenclavicle 3 years ago
"mix things up" sounds like a synonim of "mma"... people can be fierce fighters from a single style and no one used to doubt that.
protection of your head and being adaptive in a fight is up to the fighter. just because some fighters arent adaptive doesnt mean all fighters arent.
shinobijesus 3 years ago 3
Kyokushin works to defend the body alot. I wouldn't body shot a Kyokushinka. But man... they need to start introducing head punching/elbowing, I'm about to do some Enshin Karate... which seems like the Kyokushin equivalent to Sanshou. Id hate to have to train boxing elsewhere to guard/attack the head.
lamesurfer101 3 years ago
IMO San Shou is the best standup art. It takes the best upper body positioning of boxing, and blends it with the muay thai style of stance and kicking. The Clinch work is different but all the basics are there, underhook, pummel, elbow for defense, etc. Of course it all depends on the fighter, conditioning, etcetera but it is a very good art. Kyokushin is probably the most effective oldschool karate form but it just isn't good enough by today's standards for competition.
gregcarson 3 years ago
a style that has certain techniques doesnt mean nething the big question is can u apply those techniques
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
super
koledz21 3 years ago
the kyokushin fighters are good most of the fighters of sanshou are more complete and effective with the takedows, I am not saying that the fighters of kung-fu (sanshou) are better, but by experience, already fought and won some of kyokushin fighters.
ziruykf 3 years ago
What are the rules about elbows and knees in sanshou? Is it allowed to knee others in their face?
Flyingtart 3 years ago
In sanshou amateur is allowed only punches kicks, and takedows. But the professional sanshou
is very similar to Muay Thay, drawing punches, kicks, takedows,to blows with the elbow and knees (with the ban on his knees in the head)
with restriction of any coup knees can hit the head.
Many people do not know the kung-fu (sanshou) and end up criticizing the art, but the kung-fu (sanshou)
is very effective even with stronger opponents.
ziruykf 3 years ago
I don't know why people call it "kung fu" or "muay thai" or whatever. When made to be effective, all striking arts look the same.
MarcusDBrutus 3 years ago
no there are slight differences, stance fighter attitude, tactics, techniques
sagmann20 3 years ago
Those differences come from the fighter, not the way he trains.
MarcusDBrutus 3 years ago
no its the style, different styles employ different tactics, but i believe it has more to do with the culture from which the style evolves. And im not just talking about someone who learns to kick and punch, i mean someone who really takes in the style and is culture, makes a pretty substantial difference
sagmann20 3 years ago
i just wanna see any Kung Fu fighter defeating Francisco Filho ow Glaube Feitosa, maybe the true shaolin monks but it'll be hard =D
donnici 3 years ago
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Complete bullshit right there. Some one protecting Putin would be able to take out a small army with only one fist. This fight was complete bullshit. Russian body guards are trained for EPIC killing moves.
NameTaken1000 3 years ago